Not sure if he was joking or not, but Quazii did suggest that these nerfs could have been suggested at the start of TWW S1 when prot warrior was dominating the meta, and it would have taken 4 months for Blizzard to review and say "let's do that".
There is some sense to it, and definitely not impossible for Blizzard
#protection
flat garden
fluid widget
How would it not be a nerf without damage similarly being buffed
30% buff to ignore pain can be tuned but the whole rage cycle is more than just ignore pain usage
cerulean tusk
I am just happy with not getting kneejerk nerfed as is the usual with Pwarrior. This time, the devs were so slow that the trend got time to turn naturally.
Without us being gutted and left to bleed out till 8 months in.
flat garden
I don't suppose we'll ever go away from Anger Management even after these nerfs will we?
chilly brook
How would it not be a nerf without damage similarly being buffed
That’s not what he said
What he said is absolutely probably correct that it wasn’t intended to be one, but the changes are short sighted
cerulean tusk
I don't suppose we'll ever go away from Anger Management even after these nerfs ...
Not really no - not as long Avatar and Shieldwall are buttons we want to press. AM is only 'dead' if you pushing the CDR isnt worth it for the particular content and timing are set to fit current set CD of the abilities.
Guess we could get to a world one day where you dont want to press Avatar and Wall, but I kinda doubt that
flat garden
Fair enough.
I can't think of anything in our tree that would be competitive anyway.
Thanks for the answer!
sharp olive
These nerfs arent finalised.
I have faith blizzard will make changes
versed snow
Impenetrable wall unlikely go to anymore
flat garden
These nerfs arent finalised.
I have faith blizzard will make changes
I think we are all praying for this ahah.
Hopefully they listen and revert some of these changes. I'd be disappointed with a damage buff and a significantly slower spec 😐
sharp olive
The changes I expect:
Reverts on AM and champion bulwark
30% to 20% proc to remain
sweet summit
3% aura buff
take it or leave it
sharp olive
Haha
tardy abyss
Impenetrable wall unlikely go to anymore
Its better even without the rage lol
Like, WAY better
frail ibex
Not what I wanted to open this discord to
split stratus
Hey, I know DPS is not the main thing to optimize, but I'd like to know how I could improve. Just +2 a Dawn +13 so it went fine, but I see that could do much more DPS. I think I'm hitting SS/TB on CD and TB in melee (I try to spend my Violent Outburst on it as much as possible) but still, far behind top parses https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/myFDGdxaYvkzf4PB?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2
Any idea how I could improve my DPS ? Thanks !
sweet summit
- running ravager
- not wasting rage (you wasted 595 rage that key)
- pressing buttons more often (overall CPM is 10 lower but you also have 5k less haste than the log i am referencing)
- cooldowns on cooldown (first spear was 2.5 minutes into the key)
- use cooldowns together (avatar, demo shout, spear, shield charge(in that order) (you can macro mark to spear)
wicked pollen
?
sweet summit
on 1 and 2 targets execute is better than revenge
execute is always better for prio damage
wicked pollen
you also dont need hr in dawnbreakre
acoustic hamlet
How forgiving/low skill can war tanks be if youre not pushing keys that hard and are doing heroic raids at most?
Ppl said this and bears are easiest but i prefer being able to transmog.
Worried mainly about high apm/carpal tunnel last time i played war was legion and i just used shield slam macrod with block and devastator passive and mashed ignore pain.
sweet summit
prot warrior is currently at like 80+ active CPM so i don't recommend this spec unfortunately
sweet summit
it's also not very forgiving, all except for one of out cooldowns are proactive
i'm not too familiar with the other tank specs this xpac so idk what to recommend
split stratus
1) running ravager
2) not wasting rage (you wasted 595 rage that key)
3) pressin...
tyvm for the detailed answer mate, will try to work on all these points then !
wicked pollen
i swear high apm can just be played around
sweet summit
how much crit is 11k
wicked pollen
uh
sweet summit
think maybe roar is better for you harbard
sweet summit
oh nvm then that's fine
wicked pollen
split stratus
think maybe roar is better for you harbard
Yeah, was trying to compare with a guy with same talents that still does a 99: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dzLYBPM4FtW1QcmD?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=139
sweet summit
100 sec diff so can't be too bad
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GyMqbhHJAdBptwcF?fight=103&type=damage-done&source=1923 look at this gamer holy moly must be goated
wicked pollen
sweet summit
why does wcl embed now
split stratus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GyMqbhHJAdBptwcF?fight=103&type=damage-done...
wow roar + ravager, big d mate
sweet summit
you'd be surprised how much you can do without BSV
tardy abyss
(BSV is useless)
split stratus
I mostly play PU, when I don't have CDs anymore and can't call for externals, I'm glad to have it kek
wicked pollen
wtf is pu
sweet summit
pugs i assume
split stratus
pick up, that's not the word lol ?
sweet summit
never heard that used before
split stratus
Oh, I guess that's only used in the French community, mb
tardy abyss
If you run Impenetratable Wall you will have a much easier time in pugs
Which is a talent you should be running anyway
Only exception is NW if you do that super massive pull in the beginning
split stratus
Oh, alright, good to know ty
tardy abyss
With IW wall has a cd of less than a minute
versed snow
Crazy log but tough losing both storm bolt and intimidating shout in pugs
tardy abyss
intimidating shout is useless
tardy abyss
The target cap of 5 is really bad
So when you have more targets than that you cant really use it to interrupt anymore
versed snow
You still cower the target
Fear w/e
So it is a good stop when you run into overlapping interrupts and stun locks
sweet summit
Crazy log but tough losing both storm bolt and intimidating shout in pugs
yeah i don't pug 🫡
there's not really a whole lot to stop in dawnbreaker or
versed snow
That's true
I struggle a bit deciding which pulls to do near the cathedral as most pulls I see are done with pallys
Do you mainly pull the tacticians?
sweet summit
i do the three packs of tacticians to the right of the church thing
but the frontals probably will kill
as the visual is smaller than the actual range on that
very fun pull
versed snow
Haha yeah, I want to do that but I usually never trust my party and end up breaking up the pulls
sweet summit
tardy abyss
Jesus
sweet summit
my silly little db route
sweet summit
never know until you try
sweet summit
idk what you mean
wicked pollen
how do i make aroute without logging in
wicked pollen
no but its funny
sweet summit
miniboss on tactician is also kinda monka with knocks and frontals and so on and so forth
it's what i found worked well for me and my group
wicked pollen
sweet summit
paladin player
wicked pollen
this might be better for war
but basically
be a terrorist and pull miniboss
into something while doing a huge movement
cyan bronze
this is the weakest a meta tank has been in a while fwiw
sweet summit
cyan bronze
so its a weird take
split stratus
Doesn't it take forever to setup ? G14 and G20 are not super close
cyan bronze
🤷♂️
this is just a cope take
because they often do tuning and changes independent of other specs 👍 there isnt just 1 person typing out changes at blizz
its not that they nerfed pwar over ppal, they made a (joever) change to pwar, and few changes to ppal
blizzard hates us!1!1!
sweet summit
https://tenor.com/view/selfish-soyjak-soy-jak-wojak-baby-gif-6611371863076339224
me rn
obsidian otter
Why do you think they are nerfing all of the warrior rage generation in the class tree. When the real issue is with the Mtn Thane talents Thorim’s Might, Thunder Blast and Burst of Power increasing rage generation. Wouldn't the rage generation without those talents be close to colossus and therefor not swimming in rage?
cyan bronze
Why do you think they are nerfing all of the warrior rage generation in the clas...
theyre incompetent
sweet summit
super high apm spec
sweet summit
transparency isn't blizzards selling point to say the least
cyan bronze
i honestly dont think they knew the changes would have the impact they will
obsidian otter
It just seems like a simple fix and have no idea why they wouldnt look at the hero talents first?
vital pollen
I think it's as simple as ignorance. No one involved likely has any experience playing a warrior beyond like LFR levels of content would be my guess.
sharp olive
How forgiving/low skill can war tanks be if youre not pushing keys that hard and...
Imo, I hate bear verses warrior.
Warrior is way easier to play
acoustic hamlet
Ah really, figured bear was just mangle and thrash with ironfur auto macrod to it. Just use regen and barkskin wheneva
wicked pollen
that would make it unplayable
cerulean tusk
Not too far off, really - just remember to be proactive with your incarnation and stuffs, so you dont flop with it on CD :v
(also Ironfur on scrollwheel)
Warrior is best tank tank, this a fact. Then we can argue if old BDK was more fun
dense cradle
Idk how anyone gets carpal tunnel playing wow
you either have bad posture
or binds
cerulean tusk
We are all built different, tis enuff
wicked pollen
Idk how anyone gets carpal tunnel playing wow
^
wicked pollen
yeah fuck that
legit mindnumbing
on ansurek
i pull the boss
afk 45
taunt
press defenives
afk
dense cradle
been seeing pugs mess up sikran swap a bunch lately
coral hull
im confused about the bis citrine socket lists on wowhead, there seem to be two different regarding the blue one
jagged gust
target count
maybe?
Don't worry about some list, sim the gems in different scenarios and find out what works best for you
maiden ravine
You have to remember the combat design team isn't that big. Blizzard can't afford to have an expert for each spec haha.
cyan bronze
we have the protection paladin dev for us 
maiden ravine
I think we'd get better balance if there was a single designer who did just tanks and healers.
I don't think you're going to get great design when the same person who's making arms and fury good has to do prot as well.
cyan bronze
Pls give me bdk designer
placid frigate
I accidently crafted another item w/ an embellishment, do i need another enchanted crest to recraft w/o the embellishment?
pallid quiver
Recraft's don't cost you any sparks or crests
Just normal mats
And even then, it only takes half the mats
violet ginkgo
it also cost the blue dust artisan acuity or something
jagged pier
You have to remember the combat design team isn't that big. Blizzard can't affor...
They 100% can. But they dont.
maiden ravine
You'd think a designer per spec would be ideal but I guess they don't think that's enough work for a 40 hour week.
willow edge
You have to remember the combat design team isn't that big. Blizzard can't affor...
Small indie company
Sells 90 dollar dinosaur mount, cant afford decent class designers per spec. 
orchid frigate
hmm arent i supposed to be able to remove embellishment from a piece when recrafting?
sweet summit
the sparkle thingy
something something vanishing powder
on recraft you open the embellishments menu and all the way down you see it
orchid frigate
aah ty
sharp gale
You'd think a designer per spec would be ideal but I guess they don't think that...
I don’t think that’s enough work, wtf the dude will do every week for 40 h if he is only 1 spec design
wtf Will he do after the first hour
willow edge
Theoretically improve the spec
oak ivy
Even if there's no numbers to be actively messing around with they could just, and I genuinely mean they could get paid to,, play the spec they're in charge of. See if it's actually rewarding and effective. If not, back to tuning/drawing board. If so, congratulations you're good at your job so ad a reward just play the game until there's work to be done again
cerulean tusk
Imagine playing the class you are in charge off, that would cause only bad things. Dev feels there is too much rage? Well...
oak ivy
🤔
sharp gale
Even if there's no numbers to be actively messing around with they could just, a...
How would you convince a company to spend 4m per year (just in salaries) to have 38 dudes playing the game where they can have 3-4 dudes instead
cerulean tusk
Why have dudes, when you can use a ai to scrape the internet for player feedback. Then have another part of that program create patch notes from that?
Next step is to integrate the model into their system, so it can change tuning on the fly
jagged pier
problem is the ai ppl used here came up with better changes for warrior
cerulean tusk
Aura mods changing daily - isn't that what you want?
cerulean tusk
BlizzGDPT, an inhouse to save money, made by three interns who was never given a job
jagged pier
violet ginkgo
problem is the ai ppl used here came up with better changes for warrior
So basically AI > Blizz devs? They should replace them with AI then.
blazing condor
no one loves to hate on blizzard more than people who consume blizzard games for 10+ hours a day
jagged pier
i fucking hope not cause what yogi and ppl came back with still wasnt great
but its better than the current stuff
blazing condor
my friends say the game is giga good rn but it feels like its the same "fill vault and do m+" slop like the past 4 xpacs
is that true
jagged pier
it is
blazing condor
sweet summit
game sucks
sharp gale
my friends say the game is giga good rn but it feels like its the same "fill vau...
WoW is a seasonal game, every season is good for 2 months then you unsub and play something else
sweet summit
season 3 will fix tww
blazing condor
idk the reason i quit is because it was just the same gameplay for 4+ years
and it IS fun to do m+ dungeons at times
but not $50 + recurring sub fun
sharp gale
15year +
It is wow game loop since a long time, do dungeon then raid then bored
The game never changed you did 👍
jagged pier
☝️
evern tho it has slightly changed
just bring back farming adungeon until u get x trinket or piece or gear
not farm to get a lower track item
then i have to upgrade that item
etc etc
strong forum
I never used scale
jagged pier
funny cause so many ppl told me it was mandatory and im like brah i dont even have the trinket 
coral hull
Is the person that writes the wowhead guide on this discord aswell?
cerulean tusk
DoS Arden wing pulls was a ton of fun 
big AoE
Tobad if they bring it back, there will be no urns
He just typed above ya, why?
coral hull
Oh lol 😄 because the list of gems for the ring in the prot guide and in the whole article is different
cerulean tusk
Can't say I looked, but just making sure - ya sure there wasn't any contextual reason for that?
Either way, just read up the reasoning for each gem. If you got the comp, going shield, heal, legendary - ain't a bad choice
All about your goals and the team 
jagged pier
DoS Arden wing pulls was a ton of fun <:gladge:963970137701109820> big AoE
Tobad...
yer cause all blockable
sharp gale
then i have to upgrade that item
Yes they put timegated gearing to increase longevity of player numbers
jagged pier
Yes they put timegated gearing to increase longevity of player numbers
makes me want to quit most of the time tbh
but alot of new players like it
cerulean tusk
Not about us, never was. Why rage changes are happening
jagged pier
and ppl seems to think that if they play wow they have to and only can play wow
the gear system just renforces that
coral hull
im refering to this. The blue one is different
jagged pier
im refering to this. The blue one is different
@strong forum
sharp gale
That’s why, take it as a seasonal game, you play the honeymoon period and quit when bored
When gear go up fast as well
jagged pier
yer thats fine but its the ppl that come in and go eurgh i hate the game etc etc and im like just play something else and they say no
brah if u dont enjoy just stop playing
cerulean tusk
Kill boss, get 3k,get glad mog: go next
jagged pier
hard to break the cycle i guess
but i always played wow form the start playing other games so never got into it
sharp gale
Yeah they are ppl who are masochists and do something they hate, but who cares about what others think
cerulean tusk
I care what others think, cause I am a human 
The whole social norms part and acceptance is core in my DNA and upbringing
sharp gale
LoL players exist
Idk if it’s really a human thing, a lot don’t care idk if it’s the majority or not, like the usual racist boomer with full identity Facebook profile
Ofc there is his employer and address in bio
cerulean tusk
I am sure even ppl with terrible or bad takes care about how it is perceived by their tribe
sharp gale
their tribe, exactly, strangers on /wow on Reddit are not my tribe
cerulean tusk
If you don't care, then why ever express anything? Only true ppl that don't, well, ya will never know - cause they didn't care to make it known
sharp gale
For self enjoyment of outside expression
cerulean tusk
Yet, by careing about their reaction, you do care how they perceived it
Bottom line, ya care about what others think - just with hoops
sharp gale
Maybe, still don’t really care about what others think about wow
cerulean tusk
Fair, tho you should care about the perception given by that statement. Think most here agree to not be controlled by others opinions, to play how they want to. Still, we all care if it becomes disruptive - and you should care about that
By typing in this discord, you proven that you care about this section enough to take action
sharp gale
Yeah I just think im not controlled by other opinions, but I care about talking here idk, when idc anymore I usually quit the discord
pallid quiver
yer thats fine but its the ppl that come in and go eurgh i hate the game etc etc...
There are so many people like this
I'm pretty sure it's because their personality and self-worth is WoW
I've seen someone attempt to brigade harass and death threat someone for not giving them the loot the other person had drip, because his 8th alt that season needed it for one of his pieces, and that piece of shit was griefing him by not giving up the loot he got
jagged pier
Untying vida games for self worth very hard tbf
sweet summit
strong forum
im refering to this. The blue one is different
Yeah I changed the ones on the warri later again cuz Sims said so and didn't wanna bother jaydaa again to fix the gem overview
And it's not inherently wrong to run the dmg gems if you aren't performing at a level like the sim
maiden ravine
I wish the damage gems didn't have role nerfs on them
cerulean tusk
I did not know this, this fact just made my day that little bit more sad
Just BlizzardDev things I guess
maiden ravine
it's technically consistent
dense cradle
I wish the damage gems didn't have role nerfs on them
I dont even understand why the role nerf for tanks is a thing
your average player still thinks you need double tank trinkets to survive simple content
maiden ravine
Just make good tank trinkets I say.
pallid quiver
I dont even understand why the role nerf for tanks is a thing
Blizz didn't like how tanks were generally trending towards trinkets meant for DPS and adding unecessary loot friction
unfortunately, the reason tanks were trending towards those trinkets was because a lot of tank trinkets kinda
stink
Almost no one had any problems with All Totem or the revamped Dreadplates
strong forum
and then reality hit
when tanks STILL use DPS trinkets
just at less effectiveness
pallid quiver
rageheart had a different problem
pallid quiver
ye
pallid quiver
On the bright side, Tome's gonna exist next season until they kneecap it
strong forum
its still so funny
pallid quiver
i'm still sad i didn't get one in lead up to this season
pallid quiver
There's no way that trinket doesn't get beaten so hard down it's not worth using over some green from levelling a char
strong forum
wont get beaten down if nobody tells about it
cuz yet again the tooltip of the trinket is only half of what it does
and most people struggle already with trinkets that have full descriptions
maiden ravine
Tome?
pallid quiver
nome loosely threatening me with "snitches get stitches"
strong forum
throwback to naowh not knowing what gavel does besides dmg
and only finding out after like 1.8 seasons
after both MDIs were already done
maiden ravine
oh, light devotion's. That trinket was pretty nifty on beta but I didn't put much effort into any of the s2 trinkets cause I assumed they'd be gutted by the time we got them for real
strong forum
nah it still does more damage than a 626 mandate
pallid quiver
It's really nutty and was worth grabbing since no one knew what it did majorly
so no need to nerf
strong forum
cant nerf what nobody is aware of 
pallid quiver
but it'll be in the spotlight come next season is my bet
maiden ravine
Next season has lots of crazy trinkets
pallid quiver
There'll be a Wowhead article or something
strong forum
we could make a wowhead article if we wanted
honey buzzer is ass
0 stats and only does dmg on ultra omega pulls
literal bait trinket
pallid quiver
sounds like something everyone's gonna rock
maiden ravine
yes
maiden ravine
I have a feeling Workshop is gonna drop all 8 rings so chasing a specific drop there is gonna suck
broken light
is there a trick for gb third boss tornadoes
second time in a row i brick gb cuz of them
maiden ravine
The fact they're open to letting Workshop drop Junkyard loot is interesting
cyan bronze
The fact they're open to letting Workshop drop Junkyard loot is interesting
Is that fax
Where did they seem open to it? Just curious
maiden ravine
The wowcast said that workshop is gonna drop the Remote Guidance Device which is a junkyard trinket.
cyan bronze
Oh interesting
sweet summit
is there a trick for gb third boss tornadoes
they spawn where people got hit from the knock
you might want to move a bit into the boss for the knock to spawn them further away from the corner maybe
I can't remember having too many issues but there was one time i just got astrocucked for some reason i do not know
broken light
they one shot me at 17
it was actually timed too had 10 minutes and then i die to the damn tornadoes
dense cradle
it has primary and bugged to not split damage properly.
that got patched
maiden ravine
oh? Happened after I stopped using it then haha
grim pilot
they spawn where people got hit from the knock
you might want to move a bit into...
Oh didnt know thats how they work
Kinda makes sense just never occured to me
devout shadow
Morning yall. i was watching a video and the guy recommended binding Shield Block and Ignore pain to Mouse wheel up or Mouse Wheel Down. Curious if anyone else plays like this? If so, where do you move ur camera zooming?
strong forum
i dont like keybinds on mousewheel
thats demonic
but also i just did 14NW as colossus and it did kinda 0 dmg
only issue was failing 2nd boss thats why we depleted
pallid quiver
Morning yall. i was watching a video and the guy recommended binding Shield Bloc...
A lot of people who use binds like that keep their camera full-zoomed out at all times and rarely make adjustments
so it can often be on things like numpad +-
That being said, I really don't think you so callously spam IP, even in current iteration, that having a mousewheel keybind's a good idea
that's generally for things you want to maximum spam since you can just free ball spin it and go
I also recommend against having a bind on both ends of mouse wheel if you do take that route, as a lot of mouse wheels will snap back a tick near the end of a rotation if you're just sending it, making you send inputs you don't want
devout shadow
Got it. It definitely sounded like a chaotic Idea. Ill Figure something else out.
Ill probably just put Shield Block and Iggy Pain on 4 and Shift 4. Feels more natural
strong forum
you want IP on a very comfortable to spam button
i have SB on shift 4
and Ignore Pain on F
cuz SB you only need to press once every 8-10 seconds
IP you often need to press every 2nd or 3rd global
devout shadow
Thanks for the tip. Then Ill reverse those! G600 Mouse and I use the Arrow keys on the right side for movement.
Could never get with the wasd stuff
strong forum
he watched kira
cyan bronze
first mistake
devout shadow
Nah it was Quasii. i dont know Kira.
strong forum
ah good
cyan bronze
not having ip on scroll is demonic if playing thane
strong forum
but yeah Scrollwheel is weird, but keybinds are everybodies own demon
cyan bronze
my fingers feel sorry for u
strong forum
just wanna make sure that prime keybinds are easy for you
lotta people put IP on a weird keybind and then get carpal tunnel
cyan bronze
could u play the latter with me?
strong forum
devout shadow
IP you often need to press every 2nd or 3rd global
Thank you so much for this. Because yeah I just tanked my 1st Dungeon and yeah the IP{ spam is real
pallid quiver
It and SS are your two most pressed individual buttons, usually, with Clap being very close when you count both Blast and Clap. (This is all assuming Thane)
maiden ravine
I gotta update mine some, haven't played warrior a lot lately, but f x g are my main hotkeys I mess with. T on every char is kick.
I probably should move execute, but I'm a sucker.
pallid quiver
Jakey will never let me live in peace, as my kick bind is on Shift-1
I normally focus something and have focus kick on F for what I'm planning on kicking
maiden ravine
I'm bad though, I play with a mix of click and binds
harsh trellis
granite cape
hiii
💓
storm python
heyaaa
grim pilot
Jakey will never let me live in peace, as my kick bind is on Shift-1
~~I normall...
Whats wrong with that
I have shift f on kick, shift 1 mouseover kick, shift 2 focus kick
mortal pecan
R is kick Shift R is focus kick. I gotta have all focus abilities on the shift of the same keybind
granite cape
i have my kick on Q. it seems fast for me to click when im moving🙈
mortal pecan
4 for SB and E for IP is super easy
chilly brook
I'm never beating the allegations
jagged gust
The eternal struggle, do I tank, or go DPS and wish you were the tank
cerulean tusk
Answer is always go DPS, spend 1 hour in que simulator, then be mad in the forums
violet ginkgo
willow edge
"Why does no one want to tank" "Tank nerfs"
civic nexus
So judging by the pin, the nerfs probably won't have the intended effect. What's the likelihood they go live?
willow edge
Calling it now, they go live. People play prot war a less. In a few weeks towards the mid/end point of the season blizz will backtrack about "Not having the intended effect" and buff rage gen a little
sharp gale
I think they will see with the ptr if they like the play style, don’t bet all your money on reverts after going live when aura buffs are an option
like don't guess they will step back when they can step even more foward by buffing something else than rage to compensate
old juniper
If they adjust the ignore pain absorb and maybe extend shield block duration enough that we don’t need as much rage to stay just as tanky I guess I would be ok with it. The spec would just be way slower and possibly be boring
cyan bronze
Hope you don’t like avatar
urban bane
old juniper
I didn’t say I’d like it lol. I enjoy having avatar for every pull in a key. That’s not likely to happen if things go through
tardy abyss
If they adjust the ignore pain absorb and maybe extend shield block duration eno...
Nah they need to revert it
Tankiness is not the only issue
jagged pier
U play it anyway
round pendant
I'm just playing dps only next season if they don't revert those dogshit changes
fallen spindle
im eating a banana
round pendant
gz
violet ginkgo
I'm just playing dps only next season if they don't revert those dogshit changes
thing is... you wanna pay subscription to play lobby simulator?
round pendant
it's fine I have a healer friend
willow edge
Usually I’m the tank but my mistweaver friend listened to me rant about the changes and said she might play brew. It all evens out in the end.
pallid quiver
If they adjust the ignore pain absorb and maybe extend shield block duration eno...
In terms of baseline, "I fucking hate pressing defensive CDs" tankiness? We're not gonna actually be influenced all that much; SB still does the largest majority of our mit, so we're not gonna notice it day-to-day as much. What we will notice is all of our CDs, including shield wall, being available much less often
As an example, with current setup, you can have Shield Wall for every last tank buster on M Ansurek if you play well
That will 100% not be the case coming up
cerulean tusk
I am sure they will reduce baseline SW cd more to compensate if you make enough noise about it
drowsy narwhal
can we enchant the cyrces circlet ring?
tardy abyss
can we enchant the cyrces circlet ring?
yes
pallid quiver
I am sure they will reduce baseline SW cd more to compensate if you make enough ...
I don't think they will; I don't think they want access to aajor defensive that often. I wager they want and expect Defender's Aegis to be the pick at all times for that node
It'd reduce in-fighting over which to use and make it easier to tune for defensive availability since it won't change as much as it can with Imp Wall
drowsy narwhal
a noob question, so i m enchanting and doing gems for first time
it seems i can only use 1 culminating blasphemite (algari diamond)
so I have 2 sockets for neck, 2 for ring and 1 for waist
with what do i fill these sockets?
for the neck i used the 1 culminating and 1 deadly emerald
but unsure about how to fill the rest
drowsy narwhal
yes
thanks
ah ok, i think now i understand, i must fill the rest with different emeralds to increase its power
sweet egret
the increase on the culminating blasphemite has a negligible increase per different coloured gem (you must use others than emerald, so ruby/sapphire for each step you want to increase the blasphemite) so for most people it's better to not worry about that and just use the best gems for your setup
drowsy narwhal
gotcha, thank you
torpid vault
i just feel like sharing to my fellow prot players: the season cutoff for m+ title currently is 3338 rio. There are ~650 prot paladins and 13 prot warriors currently above that rating.
pallid quiver
well, yeah, most title pushers swapped over since mininal reason not to
A lot of players who could get title (Nome and the like) can't even be bothered to push
torpid vault
like, with their warrior?
im just kinda confused because prot warr doesnt seem that much weaker to me, i got a prot pal at 3k and warr 3080
remote anchor
im just kinda confused because prot warr doesnt seem that much weaker to me, i g...
yea its not about how tanky you are
its sac/bop healing
damage
torpid vault
true
remote anchor
well for some tanks its also about being tanky
jagged pier
Sac bop spell warding. Posion dispell. Offhealing. Damage
Always the case if pala can live its usually meta cause utility
cyan bronze
I love being able to sac and spellward while tanking
torpid vault
yea its not bad, but as a prot warr main it just pains me that we are so overlooked and harder to push
tribal wharf
paladin is a good person to have in group
doesnt really matter spec
helpful in 60% of content
every class is like that really, and then it comes to content its hard for them to play through
i think its silly that healer paladin cant get blessing of spell warding, like prot can
torpid vault
i feel like there should be more balance utility wise, we bring AP + commanding shout and thats about it
an aoe damage redu would be nice where we stand with our shield in front of the grp and block % dmg for everyone or something like that
urban portal
an aoe damage redu would be nice where we stand with our shield in front of the ...
thatll never happen
then you would take 2 prot warriors to every world first raid
and maybe more
you could make it like AMZ where it has a cap
but thats really boring
prisma crane
yea its not bad, but as a prot warr main it just pains me that we are so overloo...
like you said, when there's balance it ultimately comes down to utility, and we're close to the bottom on that totempole
earnest nymph
we're the #2 most played tank this season at all key levels lol
I don't think we're overlooked
tribal wharf
shield block always has been and always will be overpowered as shit
who knew
example, tree boss waycrest
if it was me in charge of paladin i would change how bubble worked, it would be like, you are not immune to everything, but you take 99.99% reduced damage and and ontop of that you have 90% chance of resisting debuff and like, 50% chance of highest tier DR, so like, parry, dodge
and then bopping a tank, wouldnt remove aggro from them, maybe is talent
that or 45 sec like wc3 kappa
torpid vault
we're the #2 most played tank this season at all key levels lol
if we are the 2nd one with 13 prot warrs above cutoff, and 650 prot pallies, then balance is even more screwed than I thought, although i did not look into it that much
torpid vault
if it was me in charge of paladin i would change how bubble worked, it would be ...
hm, I don't necessarily agree, pally generally feels squishier, obviously the bubble is super op. I would just focus on balancing utilities somehow.
Maybe buff commanding shout to give 50% hp maybe so it's more impactful, intervene shield buff so it's shield amount is meaningful, and such
mighty valley
50% rally would fuck up raid balance so hard lmao
torpid vault
like, taking warrs for every hard mechanic or wdym?
mighty valley
it’d be pretty easy to bring one warrior per “hard” healing check moment and make them trivial
torpid vault
yeah ur right, idk, just commanding feels pretty meh rn
earnest nymph
if we are the 2nd one with 13 prot warrs above cutoff, and 650 prot pallies, the...
also fwiw, we were #1 for like the first half of the season
cerulean tusk
We always are the 1st part of the expansion launch ._. us being good while ppl gear is just a fact of WoW
earnest nymph
We always are the 1st part of the expansion launch ._. us being good while ppl g...
I present shadowlands to you
cerulean tusk
Just be glad that this time nerfs came late
torpid vault
We always are the 1st part of the expansion launch ._. us being good while ppl g...
i guess expecting balance thorough the season is something unimaginable 😄
cerulean tusk
That is their trick, they don't
spiral jetty
more like the first half of the first half of the season
cerulean tusk
The tides were indeed already turning, as always as ppl gear
tribal wharf
hm, I don't necessarily agree, pally generally feels squishier, obviously the bu...
my thing is, the invulenerable to basically everything, is cool but that it lasts for 8 seconds i feel like is a tease
if you got 45 seconds duration and 60s cd for bubble, well, uh oh
now we got problem
cerulean tusk
Bubble is mainly great to reset stacks and such. Warrior can just leap tho, so no bigie
tribal wharf
it always surprises me BDK isnt a more popular tank, druid and monk i can understand being less meta
tribal wharf
edgy bloody death k-night and hes got a giant sword to slice your head off..... and he deals no dmg....
cerulean tusk
BDK does fair dam, got huge crits too
tribal wharf
i feel vampire survivor boy should be more dh like, in terms of uh, he takes shit loads of dmg but he also does loads of it too
cerulean tusk
I am confused, DK do take a ton of dam and dish it out
tribal wharf
movespeed whatever, they have at least 2 things for get out of void and pull and ams/z
i feel like bdk should be a top dmger for keys
and for long as i know hasnt
glowing red eyes and spiked helmet and smokey armor
cerulean tusk
Uhuh, so the self sustain tank whos gimic is to not get healed, should also do the best damage?
Dam is fine tho, it just feels bad to play atm
tribal wharf
yes but he has a hard time to run out the void zone is the issue
cerulean tusk
You mean the one you mount up and fly away from?
tribal wharf
in doom you still take dmg if you go over an acid floor or lava floor lol
unless you time it between the tics or get a resist
cerulean tusk
YogiBot.exe crashed again
maiden ravine
Bdk is harder to play so it's less popular.
tribal wharf
the way in which it fits, is that a boss lava pool is the same idea
if you stand in it for too long you will eventually trigger tics of the dmg and die probably
maiden ravine
People don't feel tanky on bdk if they mis time.
cerulean tusk
Bdk is harder to play so it's less popular.
More punishing, not harder. Gameplay loop is the same. Problem is you can't push the class anymore, so it is boring af
Gone are the days of the 100-1-100-1-100-1
cerulean tusk
Sure, but the 20% bonus bonearmor for sure didn't make up for that fun being gone and blood shield nerfs
I found the thrill of it to be fun
willow edge
Still think warrior needs some variant of a bloodlust
Would open up group comps a bit more, and be the first tank with it.
dense cradle
100-1 is too stressful
average tank player plays double tank trinkets so this isnt surprising
quaint sinew
i see alotta warriors in high keys doing haste vers, im doing haste crit should i switch?
mighty valley
Barely matters
sweet summit
are you getting one shot
sweet summit
or dying to things the extra 6% damage reduction would save you from
quaint sinew
oh thats it?
sweet summit
1% vers is 0.5% damage reduction
quaint sinew
oh
sweet summit
6% is just something i said as an example
sweet summit
you think itll be the same in s2?
idk s2 is too up in the air with the silly goober changes they announced i prefer not to think about it, but stat prio likely won't change
7.5k 9360 vers is 6% damage reduction btw just to put that out there
wait is that even true
someone fact check me
700 for 1% crit
660 for 1% haste
626 780 for 1% vers
467 for 1% mastery (for prot warrior)
chat is this real
sharp gale
Vers is the most expensive no ?
sharp gale
It’s dogshit you have to check online for that, like with every small natural % you can’t just divide by it
strong forum
crit: 700
haste: 660
vers: 780
parry/dodge: 750
to get 1% each
sharp gale
Huh you are melee X% free crit
strong forum
idk what you even said
sharp gale
How many crit it is just by playing a melee spec
strong forum
everyone has 5% crit for free
you dont get "more crit" by being melee as far as i am aware
only havoc dh has more crit
willow edge
Technically there’s free crit from the class talent tree
But that’s 2%
Also 3% if you are in battle stance. But that’s negligible imo, my war stays parked in defensive stance basically.
worldly jetty
question from a super newbie prot player - what are your filler buttons in ST and aoe in dungeons, once you've got a shield block up and ignore pain is rolling?
violet ginkgo
spam your SS and TC, then revenge if those 2 on CD.
Everytime you see your SS up press it.
worldly jetty
so revenge is the spender aoe and ST?
violet ginkgo
your spender is IP if you talk about overcap
Revenge for Thane is for fishing SS reset
Revenge for Colossus now that is the aoe spender.
maybe william can explain it in more detail
jagged gust
Nah, you covered it pretty succinctly
But if anything is confusing or you need help understanding the why's we can cover that as well
violet ginkgo
Also William, this question basically coming again right?
[My IP is cap/near cap. What should I press?] Blizz just please give us old heroic strike, or whatever damage button off gcd. Instead in 11.1 they just nerf damage by about 30%
willow edge
Well soon we wont have the spare rage to debate between what to press, you're welcome. -Blizzard
worldly jetty
do we use hamstring for anything?
mighty valley
do we use hamstring for anything?
pvp, and very rarely there's a single target worth kiting in pve. you would be forgiven for unbinding it
or some people macro it into charge, since you can never use both buttons at the same range
worldly jetty
awesome thanks
feeling a little overwhelmed deciphering which abilities are key and which are crap
mighty valley
whirlwind and slam can be tossed in the trash can forever
jagged gust
feeling a little overwhelmed deciphering which abilities are key and which are c...
The main rotation will consist of Shield Slam, Thunderclap, Revenge and execute. Your big CD abilities for damage will be Avatar, Demo Shout, Thunderous Roar/Spear (Depends on your build) Shield Charge and Ravager, Demolish if you're Colossus. Shield Block and Ignore Pain are off the GCD and will be pressed often. Charge(Which can be macro'd with intervene to save a keybind) and leap are your main movement abilities.
I'd say just focus on this and it'll carry you through a lot of content. There's several defensives, stuns, self heals, interrupts and shouts that are also great utility, but work on the basics first.
violet ginkgo
do we use hamstring for anything?
hamstring (50% slow) usage is really2 rare, I remember I used to slow the mob at Nokhud offensive at first boss but that's it. Plus right now you usually take the crackling thunder which improve the slow from TC to 40%
jagged gust
Also William, this question basically coming again right?
[My IP is cap/near cap...
Well the thing is currently there's a rare situation where you just used TC, SS was already on CD and you didn't get a tactician proc, so now you have to throw out >2 revenges before you get a reset. With the 30% nerf to tactician you can very well have to throw out 4 revenges with no resets, SS/TC coming off CD before getting a tact proc. Once they come off CD you've drained your bar and you're generating far less rage overall, outside of things like burst of power it may genuinely not be a big deal.
And in those not so rare anymore moments, I'm wondering will we actually have to question whether or not we want to refill our IP, because it may just leave us with several empty GCDs?
It's a genuine shift in the skill expression of playing the class trying to shift the focus on to the tanking aspect of the gameplay
thorn flint
hey kinda stupid quest but at a mix of survival and dps what would be better hero skiran neck or a crafted myth neck?
oak ivy
hamstring (50% slow) usage is really2 rare, I remember I used to slow the mob at...
The only time this season I've used Hammy was when Second boss SoB was bugged and not taking the slow from TC so she'd still leap
obsidian girder
Morning a sanity check, 80% shield block uptime and this
Is really really bad in a +12 arakara, right ?
jagged gust
Atrocious, yes
obsidian girder
sweet summit
mouseover hits not damage taken
you'll obviously take more damage from attacks you don't block
obsidian girder
mouseover hits not damage taken
you'll obviously take more damage from attacks y...
Can you explain this further
tardy abyss
80% SB uptime 
sweet summit
Can you explain this further
the difference might not be big but that is not the metric we usually use
obsidian girder
Okay, so what's the best way to track % uptime and really blocked percentage
willow gust
guys i need help
[Grim Batol] third boss
Dragon is landing : heroic throw the drake : why the 2 lavabenders are coming in addition ? 😄
sweet summit
Okay, so what's the best way to track % uptime and really blocked percentage
uptime doesn't matter. check blocked hits like i showed you
sweet summit
guys i need help
[Grim Batol] third boss
Dragon is landing : heroic throw the dr...
the ring proced aoe damage
outplayed
obsidian girder
uptime doesn't matter. check blocked hits like i showed you
Got it, blocked 81,5% hits with 80,5% uptime
Ty
Target is 100% blocked hits, right ?
Or is this a perfect world scenario
sweet egret
not perfect, it's the target
sweet summit
that's the target yep, but not really achievable
I have yet to see a log with 100% at least
obsidian girder
So 80% is okaish or still trash tier
jagged pier
80% is pretty low right now tbh
leaden mantle
Hello. New to prot warrior. Is there something I can untalent to take the talent which make challenging shout to cancel spells? This would help in grouping targets...
jagged pier
bloodsurge
obsidian girder
80% is pretty low right now tbh
Okay, only got 14k haste and playing with hr - can I blame partially the not mitigated damage on low haste ?
jagged pier
nope
tardy abyss
With HR, nope
jagged pier
not while playing hr
obsidian girder
The fun part is the healer who wrote several times he is absolutely fine with my intake and favors to play with me as a tank 😅
But good that I can really improve there
sweet summit
there's always room for improvement, never stop learning 🫡
obsidian girder
ionic fern
Just don't check blocked hits. If you're alive,you're doing well. This is how I keep myself fooled about not being washed up.
strong forum
I am the wash
jagged pier
☝️
obsidian girder
20k haste unbuffed still the break point for into the fray ?
obsidian girder
Okay, quite shocked how you got that amount of haste together. Sitting at 627 and 4k haste Togo
obsidian girder
It's basically the mwahi approach, just don't check blocks, just check if you die or not
obsidian girder
Got a char link for me?
sharp gale
I think I’m too around 22k but like you see, we are 638 ilvl
A thing you need 15weeks minimum if you don’t myth raid
obsidian girder
Yeah looks sick, that ring and amulet wtf
sharp gale
Nvm now you can craft but still it is a grind
sharp gale
I do m+ with a ring 626 just for haste
sharp gale
I don’t have the ring, so it is no issue
tardy abyss
I cba farming the bugged events
sharp gale
Me, I’m just a lazy dude, I wait 1 hour before guild raid to farm it ofc
hardy snow
I'm at 22k unbuffed
Its easy to get 22k, its not easy to get if you wanna wear new ring.
willow edge
Haste is my highest stat without the ring, so it was nice to slot in the "Heres the highest secondary you got"
median garnet
Hello question. I’m having trouble keeping threat occasionally from shamans mostly in +13s and 14s. Is this normal or am I possibly doing something tragically wrong?
pallid quiver
Normally it's because they're banking tempests between pulls, which is a lot of upfront damage
unless you mean over the course of pulls, in which case press your buttons
cerulean tusk
If it is occasionally then it is them just being gunho. Don't overthink it. DPS got to wait for your setup.
pallid quiver
If they're popping tempest procs before you've pressed any real buttons for aggro (CDs, AOE Taunt, Outbursted Thunder Blast, etc), that's on them
if you're not pressing any of those, that's on you, especially since you should be aware of what classes are very upfront burst heavy and you're hurting your own damage/threat/survival for not sending your CDs and the like when they're available at the start of a pull
cerulean tusk
Guess we just presume you done your setup right 👍
If it is only shamans, and once a key, don't give it a 2nd thought.
If you are premade, discuss how to fix it around your setup
median garnet
It’s definitely only shamans
cyan bronze
enh shams will also occasionally rip the tempest on pull w/ earth ele
It they’re going to lose a lot of dmg
indigo yoke
anyone got any advice for bleeds on higher keys? I know we can talent into the one cleanse and I guess switch to dwarf but I don't wanna be a short king. Just dump all available rage to ignore pain for the duration?
cerulean tusk
Well, just keep IP up and use mitigation to handle it. Presume you talking boralis. So remember you can stun the cast to delay em
pallid quiver
anyone got any advice for bleeds on higher keys? I know we can talent into the ...
It's notable for the future that bleeds are particularly of note for Prot Warrior, even moreso than other tanks, as the general way of combatting bleeds is self-healing abilities since bleeds are meant to not really be mitigated upfront as much
so a non-zero amount is shield wall and pray once a bleed is on you, since oversending on IP will end up giving you less IP over the course of the bleed on average
cerulean tusk
I honestly don't change up my rotation, it is the one moment a healer need to give me some dedicated love after all
pallid quiver
^^^ This is notable, since bleeds by design generally happen at times where the rest of the party doesn't need attention (unless they're really botching things or you made pull decisions)
Since damage intake is usually divided into times when the party (DPS and Healer) need attention and when the tank needs attention
if both ever happen at once, usually mistakes have been made by the players
cyan bronze
So you’re saying don’t pull siege of bor bleed mobs with triple gatekeeper
I had that route ready in mdt tho
sweet egret
I'm at 22k unbuffed
but you aren't using Cyrce's
sweet egret
anyone got any advice for bleeds on higher keys? I know we can talent into the ...
healer problem
tardy abyss
but you aren't using Cyrce's
(Which I also said)
tardy abyss
but you aren't using Cyrce's
I lost 100 haste gg
indigo yoke
Thanks for the bleed answers!
stark helm
what citrines are the best?
vital pollen
Hello question. I’m having trouble keeping threat occasionally from shamans most...
Are you sure it's not earth elementals?
rigid yew
median garnet
Are you sure it's not earth elementals?
It's def not the earth elemental. It's usually in the first 5 seconds of a pull and it kills them. But they get so upset about it I wanted to see if this was something that only happens to me and therefore I should adjust or pull much smaller. It also really only happens in 13s or higher where the pulls are large and I'm a little rage starved.
cyan bronze
Tell them to rip earth ele or lose a tempest
Idk enh shamans are stupid 90% of the time
pallid quiver
^^^
There's a lot of rerollers and people who don't understand where their damage comes from
And almost universally, DPS, even good DPS, don't really understand aggro since it's not really an issue
vital pollen
I got perfect understanding. Threatplates turn orange or red, I meld
See this is what I do, play around my badness. It's why when I get into mythic raiding, I always play rogue.
sinful light
what gem things we taking in our ring
strong forum
fathom storm and skipper
same as everyone else
if youre not that good at pressing buttons you use thunder + undersea instead
violet ginkgo
"not that good at pressing buttons" as in low apm?
jagged gust
Or simply playing sub-optimally
stats scales your damage, so if your damage is low, a linear scaling proc will perform better
primal roost
New to prot, came in here a few days ago. I'm maintaining (in a 2 and 4 key ilvl 591) 84% shieldblock and 74% IP. I assume that 84% uptime on shieldblock is good? but 74% IP is bad? I feel like I remember to push it in spurts rather than just pushing it all the time. So I'll spam it to max and then forget about it (not used to 2 forms of mitigation I think)
when it comes to rage gen against bosses. I found myself struggling inbetween cooldown windows. the gaps between avatar was really a painpoint for me in terms of generation and really felt like the spammy gameplay screeched to a halt
willow edge
Get a ignore pain tracker
The one I use shows when it’s up, duration and how much absorb is left in it.
jagged gust
Protwar gets better with more haste, more autos = more rage and more strategist procs
primal roost
I have one, its just I have a lot going it seems like I feel like its a very busy class
and I thought my last tank prot pala was busy
jagged gust
ignore pain really isn't necessary to track, especially in low keys
Ignore pain uptime is a function of your rotation
primal roost
how is it a function of your rotation?
like to me that would be something like happening without pushing any extra buttons
but how do you define that
jagged gust
I'll put it in different terms
your goal is to generate rage, that's why our rotation priority list puts the biggest rage generators at the top. You use ignore pain to spend that rage you generated without wasting it, as spending and generating rage without waste creates a feedback loop
wicked pollen
serious question did you read any of your talents or the wowhead page?
jagged gust
So IP is a part of your DPS rotation, not simply a defensive tool
and thus it's uptime is dependent upon how much rage you're generating, damage taken notwithstanding.
primal roost
serious question did you read any of your talents or the wowhead page?
Yes. And I have asked a lot of questions of my guilds prot warrior?
In what way did I not read the guides? Did I miss something?
It was more of his wording confusing me in terms of the words used I apologize.
willow edge
My prot warrior rotation is shield slam off cd. Thunder clap. Shield block, ignore pain as rage allows. We are a pretty high mitigation tank because of IP. Defensives help as well of course.
jagged gust
Well it's important not to overuse IP as well. That's why we maintain you should keep a pool of ~70 rage (outside of CDs) so when you're in those in between CD situations Zombie mentioned, you can revenge up to 3 times in order to proc Strategist
Tracking or trying to keep IP up in those situations can actually be detrimental, because if you're spent on rage, SS is on CD for another 6 seconds and you just used TC, you sit there on your thumb for ~3 GCDs before you can press a button
primal roost
Ip is my least favorite button lol. I just wanna dps brain slam revenge.
Good to know that I shouldn’t just be sending on IP, ran out of rage multiple times trying to worry about that. I feel like I have so many balls in the air as prot it’s difficult to manage the IP
But I love shield block a ton 🙂
wicked pollen
Yes. And I have asked a lot of questions of my guilds prot warrior?
In what way...
in the sense that you missed pressing ip as apart of your rotation
jagged gust
Ip is my least favorite button lol. I just wanna dps brain slam revenge.
Good ...
Honestly maybe try colossus
willow edge
Interesting. Prot to me is pretty straightforward. But I’m also sitting around 30 something % haste so that helps a bit as well.
jagged gust
With ITF this season you reach in to the 50s, 60s in later seasons
Prot feels soooo much better with high haste
primal roost
I would say prot is simple until ip is added then my brain gets absolutely stupid and I lose every braincell trying to manage it.
willow edge
ITF is great, with how often SS resets atm I prefer the other option. See how we go next season.
jagged gust
but yeah colossus doesn't IP nearly as much because it wants to spend all of it's rage on revenge because it has like a 700% damage modifier on it
willow edge
Not pressing IP is like playing guardian without ironfur.
Colossus is my personal choice for prot war. Good as mountain thane is.
wicked pollen
I would say prot is simple until ip is added then my brain gets absolutely stupi...
in what way
jagged gust
IP kinda has your eyes glued to the rage bar sometimes because you're constantly watching for the threshold to spend, but in high rage situations you press it every 1-2 GCDs, that shit is spammy as fuck
primal roost
I mean like the other tanks I have 1 main resource I need to worry about like pala it’s hp. Dk it was boneshield. It feels like I have 2 forms of mitigation and I need to manage both.
I feel I can’t focus on kicks, stuns, and other mechanics because the moment I do I feel like I drop it.
willow edge
Just sounds like you need practice on warrior.
primal roost
but yeah colossus doesn't IP nearly as much because it wants to spend all of it'...
That sounds interesting, when does that hero talent spend rage for IP?
red tree
If you use heavy repercussions you don't need to focus on shield block it'll just be up 90+% of the time hitting shield slam
willow edge
Honestly I prefer prot warriors design over other tanks.
Try opening combat with charge and shield charge. With heavy repercussions it’ll give you some extra duration on SB.
jagged gust
That sounds interesting, when does that hero talent spend rage for IP?
When it can, the hero tree does suffer from being less defensive overall due to the nature of it's talents. You're still swimming with rage inside of CDs, and there is still a priority list of actions so sometimes you're capping rage and can't press revenge for a few GCDs and need to spend it elsewhere
primal roost
Just sounds like you need practice on warrior.
I would agree, if the other hero talent doesn’t push it and pushes way more revenges I like that way more
willow edge
Both trees still use IP and SB.
wicked pollen
i mean you just need to play the class more
willow edge
You play a tank to hold threat and be the meatshield for the party. The two main things you need uptime on aren’t going anywhere, for now.
primal roost
i mean you just need to play the class more
Yes I agree, I was just curious about the other spec as I wanted to push revenge more. Despite being a healer main I got that dps brain lmao.
That’s all no worries
wicked pollen
Yes I agree, I was just curious about the other spec as I wanted to push revenge...
you definitely do that as colo more but there is a point where pressing ip is better than revenge
and if you play hr you wont struggle with sb uptime
willow edge
Will still need to press it occasionally since HR doesn’t apply a 1s shield block every time you slam. Though that could be interesting.
primal roost
and if you play hr you wont struggle with sb uptime
I thought 85% sb uptime was decent? As I thought you couldn’t maintain 100% uptime and like 90% was really good.
wicked pollen
I thought 85% sb uptime was decent? As I thought you couldn’t maintain 100% upti...
sb uptime means nothing
blocked hits are the only thing that matter
willow edge
What’s your haste like?
primal roost
Then I’m confused why you mentioned struggling with sb?
wicked pollen
I mean like the other tanks I have 1 main resource I need to worry about like pa...
^
primal roost
What’s your haste like?
20%iirc? Not on my pc at the moment.
willow edge
Also, pretty sure it’s the guideline for high keys that you will have trouble keeping up IPs but shield block should be up the whole time.
wicked pollen
20% is like minimum to play spec
willow edge
20% haste is pretty low I feel.
wicked pollen
without hating yourself
willow edge
If you have pieces you can swap around I’d do that.
primal roost
I’m a baby 😦 590 with one juiced 650 ilvl ring
willow edge
Yeah fair
willow edge
Just play more keys and grab any item with haste on it.
wicked pollen
and not playing colo
willow edge
I’d worry about the basics of the spec before hero talents.
wicked pollen
i dont think they should touch colo
willow edge
Colo is pretty passive save for the 35 second or so demolish
Seems to me the issue is “i want to play a damage dealer”
sweet summit
that's not an issue that's just colossus prot warrior 
willow edge
If you say so
willow edge
I don’t see the issue, press it at the start of the fight once defensives are up. You build stacks quickly anyways. 🤷🏻♂️
willow edge
You mean all the “here’s 10% more damage per stack.” And general increase to abilities? Yeah. Passives.
tardy abyss
You think a lot more about using Revenge vs IP and also use Execute
willow edge
You seem to overthink tanking. I just press buttons to maintain SB, IP and revenge with spare rage. Also who doesn’t execute when it’s available?
willow edge
True but it’s not like demo shout isn’t already shortened considerably without the thunder blasts from thane.
willow edge
Are you seriously min maxing so hard you don’t play the thunderclap reduces demo shout cd
tardy abyss
You don't use it as Colo
willow edge
I have that talent too lol
tardy abyss
Will change with next season anyway
willow edge
Also aren’t they removing that in the next patch so that interaction. Doesn’t work
Yeah lol
Was probably unintended
tardy abyss
tardy abyss
My ppal is ready
ionic nimbus
Yeah Ppal and Rogue are gettin ready
sweet summit
we live in a society...
cerulean tusk
I just hope they revert the BDK nerfs, so I got that alt to have fun tanking on. If warrior turns slower, it really will become boring 
quaint sinew
anyone know how to upgrade Cyrce's Circlet this week?
cant find anything for some reason
distant thicket
https://i.imgur.com/CU9TmOg.png what do i pick 🤔 prot warr alt
all of it is an uppie might pick ring
tardy abyss
both trinkets are bad
pallid quiver
two tank trinks and a ring
And not even remotely good tank trinks, either
My condolences that you have only one real option
distant thicket
ye i went ring
inland raft
no ring upgrade this week?
hexed shore
gotta do the world quest first i think
sweet summit
chat is this real
cyan bronze
i love colossus
i hope its meta next tier
and pwar is meta next tier
🙏
maybe they got us so depressed w the changes
so we could get giga buffed
sweet summit
some out of season april fools joke...
cerulean tusk
I am sure we just dont have the whole picture
They said they were happy with things
so nerfs doesnt seem to be the goal
pastel cedar
prot warr since release, the upcoming changes are upsetting
i dont want to wait for rage like my bear, low apm is very boring
grizzled nova
too bad
Blizzard workshopped some new players and a person with 15 collective minutes of pwar complained that they have to press buttons too fast, so now blizzard is changing the thing that everyone who actually plays the spec enjoys about the spec so the new guy doesn't feel bad.
strong forum
*thane only btw
This reasoning blizz gave does exclusively apply to thane
Hilarious dead giveaway that it's not a properly informed decision
tribal wharf
unless its for giga keys like 15 + cuz thats when depletion happens far as i know now, i dont see that boss 3 of motherlode being dangerous overall
strong forum
Oh my sweet summer child
tribal wharf
tank gets a debuff and you have to have it dispelled or immune it, ground covered in goop, fires leaf blower at 1 player who aims it as many puddles as possible
strong forum
This boss was already notoriously dependant on the group coordination being top notch in Bfa
They just buffed the boss by roughly 200% overall
tribal wharf
like, its bsically tank n spank
strong forum
It's 3 debuffs
3 debuffs every ~18 seconds
You can't just immune/dispel all of them 🙂
You also gotta bait the puddles, bait the lines shooting, bait the debuffs and bait the leafblower
Constantly
tribal wharf
isnt it just a dispell though, i know its a 20 s if reflect right, so you'd really have to try hard to get 100% reflects pre hit it
strong forum
It's 3 debuffs
3
3
All at once
On the 3 closest targets
The emphasis is 3
Not in a row, not in total
3 every 18 seconds or so
That means healer is permanently busy dispelling on cd and healing while moving
And will still not catch up
And only people with big defensives can live the debuff
This boss was a major menace in bfa and they just made it literally 2x harder
tribal wharf
well, and to sum it up, the debuff going out on a 18 or whatever hits for 7 million damage each each 3 times each, for 2 ticks which 2 hits everyone, i assume this is more or less what happens
maybe lives 4 seconds instead
so it feels unfair is what players mean in those scenarios
strong forum
Its just gonna need a gigantic nerf
Already
Watch it not be reflectable anymore
tribal wharf
well, we had 3-4 on voice communication and dedicated healer, every key during bfa
so we all in that group knew hell out of keys by end of it
sweet summit
Hilarious dead giveaway that it's not a properly informed decision
you don't get it.. they have ✨ data ✨
tribal wharf
i wonder if they will fix the safe spot on final boss
there is a literal safe spot for one of the main mechanics that you never get hit by i think its the mass rockets
its uh,
ionic fern
That means healer is permanently busy dispelling on cd and healing while moving
Imagine if they also leave in the dispell affix.
Or add something similar.
sweet summit
they'll remove tyrannical to make up for it
ionic fern
tribal wharf
not fake
if you stand there for one of the mechanics cant remember, probably the rockets like i said, 100% safe, (during bfa)
cerulean tusk
Ye, that is why they added the new missles targeting where you stand
the new barrage thing
tribal wharf
ah, crap, thats still a fun fight anyways WHEN PPL DO THE TOTEMS RIGHT
absolute hell when no totem connect
sweet summit
totems?
tribal wharf
poles wood logs
cerulean tusk
The pillars that look like totems
cerulean tusk
Btw, found something fun to do if you got a BDK, Troll ppl with Mindlink, run after them as it does nothing - they panic and scream curses
super fun
cerulean tusk
God I hope it does
Then we get timetravel, imagine the possibilies of infinte recourses
tribal wharf
i have forseen it, both terminator movies and a couple shitty random games
my bdk , alliance is mechagnome
cerulean tusk
Good, then you can troll ppl in mist
tribal wharf
maybe i had that at one point, i dont see him anymore i think i transfered him
cerulean tusk
Transfered to the Happy Fun Time Farm
tribal wharf
true story i have like 5 dks lvl 10 to 50 or 60 ish
cuz they start able to tank in like, 10 minutes from spawn
and so i just used them for level up, for the uh allied race things
did they change any of the other bosses in ML
all those bosses hurt
cerulean tusk
Football boss is no longer goldsweeper the fight, and there are more balls to kick to remove the "new" gold sweeper stacks that is just passive gained
tribal wharf
thats tank dumb didnt pull away from gold piles if i recall correctly
cerulean tusk
The adds on rockman is more annoying, and goal is that we are supposed to waste DPS killing them now
tribal wharf
cuz i remember he would wipe party if he had gold
cerulean tusk
Over time, for sure
tribal wharf
second boss really annoying too
cerulean tusk
Rockman, ye
now he is actually annoying tho, not a Patchwerk
if things work as blizz intend
Now it is a patchwerk where you got to waste DPS into adds, woop woop
tribal wharf
good old rockman
the annoying part i remember is there is an annoying totem ppl carry and can cc one of the adds but you have to leave it alone
and then the totem doesnt respawn
pallid quiver
they'll remove tyrannical to make up for it <:copium:839076283467431956>
They'll add double Tyran weeks
cerulean tusk
That change will hit with update to shieldblock, "now grants 30% chance to block was 100%"
"We feel that Prot Warriors mitigation versus melee attacks is in a good spot."
Mastery updated, critical block removed, normal chance to block increased by 25% value
Probably some change to the ragecost too, up to 80.
sweet summit
They'll add double Tyran weeks
mods ban this user for saying something this outrageous
pallid quiver
Probably some change to the ragecost too, up to 80.
It'll go up to 60 for parity with pandaland, when it was 60 then, too, iirc
strong forum
it was 10-60 rage in legion
pallid quiver
it was 10-60 rage in legion
Wasn't that IP/Shield Barrier? Since Shield Barrier was a range of sent rage while SB was a static 60
cyan bronze
shield barrier was removed 7.0.3
chilly brook
it was 10-60 rage in legion
The funny thing is that doing simply this would "fix" the "problem" we "have"
pallid quiver
shield barrier was removed 7.0.3
They'te the same function and had the same cost iirc, hence why I didn't differentiate
lofty warren
Did blizz announce that they will fix all the annoying mobs in cinderbrew and giga nerf the dungeon with the candles yet?
Or will they wait until everyone says it sucks to act
strong forum
They will probably "fix" it 2 months into the season
cerulean tusk
I hate how real that take is
jagged gust
In typical fashion, the season that starts 1-2 weeks after the patch which is almost 2 months out will take another 1-2 months to be playable.
shut summit
and then you pray you are one of the specs that gets attention / rework
pallid quiver
Since despite their best efforts (citation needed), reworks mean buffs all the way to meta street
hardy snow
and then you pray you are one of the specs that gets attention / rework
They already anounced 'rework' for us, #fundetected 😐
pallid quiver
no, those were just nerfs
grizzled orbit
Are we op next patch
mild river
Are we op next patch
No
weak bronze
sharp gale
The panzer of the lake told me it is not gutt
quaint sinew
what do you guys think of specing into thunderious roar instead of champions speear for m++
is it more dps ? i see some warriors doing it
pallid quiver
For Thane, it's usually less DPS for Roar
If you're going pure Haste/Vers, it'll probably be more, since Spear often ends up not as much damage if you're not critting
quaint sinew
im crit haste
pallid quiver
It's also available more often than Spear and is easier to use, since you can braindead send it
instead of having to aim
For Colossus, Roar is always better
quaint sinew
i was thinking cuz lower cde means more casts and ull do more overall damage