They needed an excuse for Anduin to be able to rez Khadgar
#protection
pallid quiver
spiral jetty
Nah out of combat rez
sweet summit
if there's like no more changes then this could be a likely possibility, now stop asking about the future
pallid quiver
That's why they made the rule that if you decapitate someone and take their head, they ain't coming back. (That didn't last long)
spiral jetty
Rez just doesn’t work if you super die. Normal dying only.
pallid quiver
^^^^
sharp gale
Why I don’t remember someone getting rez (bfa cinematic is a brez???)
pallid quiver
Also, it only works on people who have the proper souls for it
lofty warren
Ok good thing I've been gearing up ppal to 622 ilvl
pallid quiver
Heck, even in I think the TBC? intro cinematic, an Orc gets ganked then brez'd
tribal wharf
Rez just doesn’t work if you super die. Normal dying only.
i used to say the same shit about exiling or banishing in yugioh or mtg, but i mean look how thats gone, mostly ygo
pallid quiver
Also, super die is defined as whatever the plot writers say it is
I think the only thing that so far has been consistent is if your soul fucking explodes
Like Tirion Fordring or Garrosh
sharp gale
No one can real die in wow it seems
cerulean tusk
Only point of no ress is:
- Your anima is destroyed (Felfire as an example)
- Your anima is consumed, demons or rituals
- Your anima is locked away, soulstones and similar
- Your anima is already taken to the Shadowlands
spiral jetty
Garrosh 
pallid quiver
Nah, he just got the PTSD from Maw dailies
tribal wharf
bro
pallid quiver
He actually never died
tribal wharf
he got like chained there
cerulean tusk
Tortured, and then soulbound to the tortured and ruined soul of Arthas*
pallid quiver
That sounds like Maw dailies to me
cerulean tusk
Yep, pretty much it
sharp gale
When guldan comeback for the 10th time ???
cerulean tusk
Once we open another timeline
cerulean tusk
Have you heard about overwatch?
pallid quiver
When guldan comeback for the 10th time ???
Alternate Guldan had his soul exploded, so currently, he's on the table for "Not coming back" and hasn't been proven otherwise
tribal wharf
i mean, well, okay, you did get me partially but id almost say 3rd person
cerulean tusk
Fair
pallid quiver
Since everyone else who had their soul fucking exploded has yet to come back actually
tribal wharf
i mean like yogi fps boomer shooter
pallid quiver
The real question is when's the Blizzard Dating Sim
tribal wharf
rockets and such
pallid quiver
The only genre that truly matters in the end
spiral jetty
Probably when housing comes
tribal wharf
star craft flying game i dunno
cerulean tusk
AI-powered Night Elf spouse for your housing
sharp gale
I have 1k+ hour on ff14, I know how housing will turn
pallid quiver
That's pain; my one true love, Lor'themar, is already taken by that point
tribal wharf
i think i would be happy if they have logging in wow
like cut down lumber logging
profession
since houes made from lumber
spiral jetty
I have 1k+ hour on ff14, I know how housing will turn
Exactly what I was thinking
sharp gale
Fucking nightclubs in wow
spiral jetty
With horrible twitch djs
pallid quiver
I feel like the nightclubs wow would get would be so much worse
Which probably would be an improvement
cerulean tusk
Logging profession:
Charge up your axe swing, 3 different levels.
Each swing level got a sound
You got to match the swing to the sound of the wood, to chop efficently
sharp gale
I feel like the nightclubs wow would get would be so much worse
Im not a pro for graphic modifying addons in wow so I don’t know
pallid quiver
Honestly, that kind of thing sounds like a fun way to interact with people. Unfortunately, people are involved, which ruins the whole thing
spiral jetty
Until wow lets you mod your character into an imvu character then it won’t be as bad
tribal wharf
i like the rs method personally but whatever really
pallid quiver
oh we're talkin' that kinda down there land
WoW's a bit better at telling you to fuck off with that from what I'm aware
but i've like, never even thought of applying reshade to wow
tribal wharf
walk up to tree with axe in inventory or equipped swing at tree until your inventory fills up, tree depletes or your axe breaks
sharp gale
I mean addons to spread your ass animation etc
spiral jetty
And the shittiest looking tattoos you’ve ever seen head to toe
sharp gale
Why the tattoos, I never understood
tribal wharf
its, um, so if people who know, see it, they know
pallid quiver
I think it's supposed to be a way to have identity for your char, but
like
it looks real bad a lot of the time
all that effort to tweak all the lighting
tribal wharf
so like it would be used in prisons and someone with an eyeball tattoo on his forehead might be a watch man of sorts
or a knife with blood tears might mean they lost ppl
spiral jetty
I think we are having different conversations
sharp gale
If someone has a third eye tattooed I think he is a wizard
tribal wharf
i mean, probably
sharp gale
What couldn’t he see so he needs a third
dusky patrol
is there a general rule in tanking like never getting hitted in the back or does that only count for specific mobs?
pallid quiver
yes, absolute yes
You cannot parry from behind, can't block from behind,
Half of like every tank's passive mit (or even main mit in Prot War's case) is based on you looking at the enemy
One of the fastest ways to no longer be alive is to turn your back to mobs
round pendant
did they fix those prot war patchnotes yet?
dusky patrol
yes, absolute yes
ok ok ty
pallid quiver
did they fix those prot war patchnotes yet?
they doubled down, went even further
I'm lying
round pendant
Wouldn't surprise me
mighty valley
wouldn't expect to see anything shift til after the new year when they're back from break
pallid quiver
simply revolt
become a DPS player
help contribute to there being no tanks whatsoever
tank strike
sharp gale
become a DPS player
I tried with my hunt, but I would never give up 1 second m+ queue
pallid quiver
he's weak, we gotta put him down, he's gonna break lines on the strike
weak cedar
would playing colossus right now be a good way to simulate the loss of rage generation in 11.1?
pallid quiver
no
sharp gale
It is funny because I’m literally the type to go to work while everyone is on a strike
pallid quiver
It's really hard to emphasize how notable this reduction in rage and SS casts it is
weak cedar
really? colossus right now generates less rage than thane with 11.1 notes?
pallid quiver
Colossus also mechanically just functions differently because of the change in cast breakdown
It functions off of Bloodsurge rage and large pulls to enable Revenge spam, which changes the dynamics of the buttons you press
There's not the spikes of rage influx that Thunder Blast gives you
sharp gale
I think what mostly hurt colossus is outburst
pallid quiver
The outburst hit and the lower shield slams, combine with the bloodsurge nerfs
sharp gale
Because it is self feeding looping of revenge into outburst into revenges
pallid quiver
put colo coming up really into a coma
But it also mechanically gains rage differently than Thane does, so it's not an accurate simulation
sharp gale
It was so fun when I did a large enough pull so I can just spam revenge and skip ss but on outburst
weak cedar
has anyone run the numbers for how much rage would actually be lost in 11.1? including the tier set giving extra shield charges (50 rage each)
im not sure who to ping for this, maybe @strong forum ? (sorry)
pallid quiver
We would need to know the proc rate on the tier set, first
but also shield charge is gonna give less rage
weak cedar
oh i thought the procs per minute were known, read in the brew discord something like their set has 2ppm
sharp gale
I think it is not really useful to calculate things 2 weeks before the ptr opens
sweet summit
ten billion
sharp gale
when i see with one of my logs just by dogshit % removes from few lines of patch notes i'm already at 20% less rage
i don't even take half into account and ofc i don't take tier set too
waxen cradle
As I had said my hope is the devs realize how absolutely punishing and detrimental these changes will be, and they either significantly lighten them or simply roll them back until a later date until which more intelligent changes can be made. However I would be far from surprised if they went ahead and pushed these changes out in a attempt to drive players from the spec.
Our only hope is to actually test these changes, and after doing so make enough noise about how terribly punishing they are to the spec, and then post real fact based feedback about how detrimental they are in hopes that the devs will pay attention as anything else they will simply tone out and ignore.
sweet summit
it has to be reverted...
waxen cradle
Oh I agree 100%, but past experiences prove how hard headed and ignorant the devs can be. Just stating what they may listen to rather than people simply complaining the sky is falling.
cyan bronze
We would need to know the proc rate on the tier set, first
we have rough numbers for 2pc, no?
iirc prot war is data mined at 1ppm
waxen cradle
I mean the king of all hard headed developers in the past Ion literally told shamans in a very old expansion when they broke one of there specs (I forget which) that the top players simply needed to "get good" for lack of remembering the exact wording he used at the time. If that doesn't state how hard headed they can be nothing will.
wicked pollen
hi pookie
waxen cradle
Remember ignorance which is the word I commonly use to describe the devs lately is not a lack of knowledge, but the fact that someone knows better and makes the wrong choice anyway. That is something the devs are all too frequently guilty of.
tardy abyss
has anyone run the numbers for how much rage would actually be lost in 11.1? inc...
SC is only 20 rage each with the nerfs (or was it 30?)
They removed the bonus rage gen from capstone
weak cedar
20 rage generation yeah, i was counting the free shield block as 30 rage
to get the "real value per press"
i guess
sweet summit
iirc prot war is data mined at 1ppm
nahhh.... no way please let it be lies..
drowsy narwhal
would you guys be okay if the changes stayed like this but we got like 20% dmg increase in some way? maybe 20 is too much, idk? 10?
tardy abyss
20 is not enough
drowsy narwhal
ah okay, what increase would be fair then, if we exclude the change of gameplay style
jagged gust
it could be the #1 tank by a margin as large as pally right now and it still wouldn't be fun
sweet summit
drowsy narwhal
yeah, i mean the change of style is ofc a different debate, but even if they want us to have less fun, at least compensate our dmg loss
weak cedar
damn, it seems like almost everyone here really loves the ignore pain spam
what makes it engaging/fun for you guys? is it purely the high apm? i personally dont enjoy it when most of that apm comes from very simple decisions (rage bar is high -> i press IP to not overcap)
kind glen
Pressing Avatar more is fun.
tardy abyss
Yeah it's more about resetting CDs
But in some keys you really have to spam IP that much
jagged gust
I'd be more than glad to have something other than IP to press, but we're pretty limited in that regard
jagged gust
I'd settle for something like that DH ability with the reduced GCD
drowsy narwhal
revenge feels like a waste to press most of the time
tardy abyss
As Thane yes
drowsy narwhal
from my limited experience
tardy abyss
But if they want us to think more about what to press then take revenge off gcd lol
pallid quiver
what makes it engaging/fun for you guys? is it purely the high apm? i personally...
Most people like it because of how fast the spec is, but a lot of the longer term and higher skilled players are getting bored because there's nothing meaningful to choose
As a whole, people are also oppose to something like Heroic Strike coming back due to binding/misplay issues, even though it'd make you actually make decisions on how you spend rage.
jagged gust
revenge feels like a waste to press most of the time
which is one of the downsides of the strategist nerf, you're gonna be revenging more often due to fewer SS resets
pallid quiver
so I don't think Prot War has any real future
kind glen
Just give me Glad so I can keep my shield at least
drowsy narwhal
if they want us to choose, shouldnt they like make the other abilities worthwhile instead of nerfing ignore pain?
like if revenge was actually good, i would think instead of using ignore pain
tardy abyss
Which other abilities tho
pallid quiver
Revenge still is worthwhile, and there's no choosing; you press both with the purpose of generating as much rage as possible
tardy abyss
There is only one
jagged gust
if they want us to choose, shouldnt they like make the other abilities worthwhil...
Devs don't know how to make IP work in it's current state imo
pallid quiver
Even with lowered rage gen and the buff to IP, you'll just IP less since it doesn't generate rage
cerulean tusk
Revenge does a lot of dam if you play Demo - It is already struggling gaining rage, I dont want to know how bad it is gonna be
drowsy narwhal
as alternative they could make storm bolt, heroic throw and champions spear actually do any damage (or in case of CS decrease the timer significantly so it is an reliable option)
cerulean tusk
Heroic Throw?
pallid quiver
champion's spear does do a decent amount of damage tho
you just need to talent into it
drowsy narwhal
it does, but the timer is long
pallid quiver
instead of not talenting into it
drowsy narwhal
Heroic Throw?
the one hammer throw, to pull targets, dont u guys use it for single targets?
has the widest range i think, no?
cerulean tusk
I know what it is, but why have that do more damage?
It already got threat mods out the wazoo
jagged gust
why not? Make it a judgement clone
cerulean tusk
So we cant spam it gathering mobs?
drowsy narwhal
the question was "which other abilities though", so i just named other ones other than revenge
cerulean tusk
That a bad deal
pallid quiver
why not? Make it a judgement clone
make it generate rage, too, while we're at it
also, for no reason, give it the old shattering throw armor drop buff
cerulean tusk
Make Heroic Throw off GCD, and we can start talkin'
drowsy narwhal
It already got threat mods out the wazoo
what does that mean, the 2nd line?
jagged gust
no min range, offgcd, with an execute style rage spending function to turn it in to a rage dump
cerulean tusk
Add some bonus damage the higher health the mob got compared to you, and we gaming
and it grants rage over time, building
pallid quiver
no min range, offgcd, with an execute style rage spending function to turn it in...
no, rage dumps aren't supposed to hurt, just look at Blizz and what they keep doing to Execute
cerulean tusk
pallid quiver
they're supposed to be trap buttons to press so, uh, someone? can feel smart whenever someone makes the mistake of pressing it
jagged gust
true, bears still stuck dumping rage with if too
cerulean tusk
Guess boss gonna be healed a lot
drowsy narwhal
thats why i dont get the changes, like IP is the only true viable option to use, so create alternatives for us, not nerf the only one we have, it makes no sense
cerulean tusk
gotta pad em logs
pallid quiver
and it also removes the last piece of gear you got
pallid quiver
thats why i dont get the changes, like IP is the only true viable option to use,...
Issue comes in that as a whole, people don't want that, but that's the only realistic way to do what they said they wanted to do
They either have to overhaul the spec, maybe even class, or give us another button
drowsy narwhal
with the existing ones, if they made them half impactful as IP, it could work, but i m too new in this game, i dont know how devs operate here, if they sit on it for months or not
cerulean tusk
They sit on it for decades
weak cedar
are there any blizzard dev that go over balance patch notes and explain the thought process behind each? similar to phreak in league of legends, if youre famliar with that
something deeper than just the dev notes in the patch
cerulean tusk
Dont worry, devs work hard making things feel worse to play at all times
sweet summit
are there any blizzard dev that go over balance patch notes and explain the thou...
no :3
best you can do is guess
cerulean tusk
I would tune in to that stream on a weekly basis. Actual blue talking about notes
sweet summit
blizzard entertainment
drowsy narwhal
i dont mind the no explanations, if the cadence would be like every month or sth
cerulean tusk
Cadence is:
You having fun? Fun detected. Release fix asap.
You are having a terrible time? Beepboop, wait till next expansion.
Release it from beta, it is fun. Week 1, beepboop, fun detected.
drowsy narwhal
as a new player, this doesnt induce confidence into me, not sure if i picked the right game or not
weak cedar
same here lol
weak cedar
coming from league and path of exile devs, this sounds a bit depressing
but i like the game
sweet summit
"you think you do but you don't"
pallid quiver
Cadence is:
You having fun? Fun detected. Release fix asap.
You are having a ter...
It was very funny when they had an effect called "Fun Detected"
and then they had to nerf it
cerulean tusk
Trick is to play WoW and to never played any other game, then chill how things currently work.
That said, it is a lot better now than it was a year ago. Blizz is turning ship, but slowly.
pallid quiver
"you think you do but you don't"
to be fair, though, this is accurate in a lot of cases
the problem is figuring out which of those cases is that
and which, uh, is not
sweet summit
true.. wow playerbase are a bit more delusional
cerulean tusk
Lets be real here, very often it is a case of players having fun. Everyone is having a blast. Then they "fix" that "problem".
sweet summit
(not me)
pallid quiver
Honestly, I think it's like 50/50
sweet summit
I am the ceo of good takes
pallid quiver
We just remember the bad ones more because it hurts after
weak cedar
Lets be real here, very often it is a case of players having fun. Everyone is ha...
i think broken things can be very fun
seems kinda dangerous to not nerf them
cerulean tusk
And it hurts for years after
drowsy narwhal
prot pal is by miles the broken tank, yet it also got the best set on top and like bottom tanks didnt get any changes
like i dont understand the big picture here
pallid quiver
tanbur has never played an arc sys fighting game
never had to experience an arc sys patch
sweet summit
it's not final yet 
drowsy narwhal
idk what that is but i havent i think 😄
cerulean tusk
It is about context, what is best in content A, is bad in B. When you use varriable Y you flip the formula.
pallid quiver
Makers of Guilty Gear, BlazBlue
They're notorious for patch
decisions
cerulean tusk
Currently, tanks are quite balanced, no real issues.
drowsy narwhal
if that would be the case, it wouldnt be such a unpopular class to play
pallid quiver
They looked at the character that's the top performer, go, "Hm, he kinda struggles here, maybe he should get some help"
buffs best character in the game
"Oh this character can be a menace, sure they struggle here, but that's just how it goes with that type of char ha ha ha"
nerfs bottom tier chars
pallid quiver
if that would be the case, it wouldnt be such a unpopular class to play
It's been the case.
For years.
Welcome to the WoW Community
Where the public perception is so fucked
cerulean tusk
WoW is more about community perception, that what a class/spec can do.
pallid quiver
It ignores so many facts and situations
cerulean tusk
It is a weird and silly place
pallid quiver
If you followed the same train of thought as the majority of the playerbase, you shouldn't even be able to walk outside of town as a tank if you're not a Prot Pala right now because you're too weak
cerulean tusk
A spec can go from "Omg, nerf best spec since ever!" till "Omg, buff, never bring this spec!"
All based on a tierlist.
pallid quiver
You'd get one-shot by the mobs outside Orgrimmar
cerulean tusk
This is no joke.
weak cedar
If you followed the same train of thought as the majority of the playerbase, you...
good point actually, i read a few times that prot pala is the only viable tank in very high keys
is there a way to know what % of players actually get to that key level where it cant be done on any other tank?
pallid quiver
Hard to know, since tanks in high keys are generally the most flexible players
drowsy narwhal
they look at top 100 players
pallid quiver
They'll flex more than DPS because raw performance on a tank spec generally won't decide a key like a DPS spec would
That being said, you can get a loose idea by seeing if other tanks are still being played and actually analyzing logs of performance
You have to do both, because the top keys end up saturated with the general meta comps just because it tends to be easier to do/setup/etc
And the people pushing that far usually aren't concerned with seeing how far a spec can go; they want to see how far they as a player can go
cerulean tusk
Best way to see if a class/spec is doing bad; is to find a spec die-hard. If they are down and sad, you know it is bad.
pallid quiver
But almost wholly, tanks have been pretty capable of almost the same difficulty of keys as every other tank
weak cedar
i wouldnt even be able to count the amount of times ive read that brew is unplayable in very hard content
and yesterday i got recommended a +17 brew key video
pallid quiver
And it's also important to note that this literally only applies to keys, since they infinitely scale
All tanks, for a long time, have been able to clear M raid without too much fuss once geared and all
Obviously there's times when specific tanks are better/only realistic choices for the ilvl available atm (Blood DK is probably the worst with this with how often gorefiend's and grips in general are just too useful to pass up, bordering on mandatory sometimes, those iirc Rygelon and Jailer fucked tanks that couldn't take melees well at the start as another example)
hardy snow
just as any tank can clear 10s/12s or whatever lvl Blizz will set to give any rewards
jagged gust
and which, uh, is not
Not the wow forums blowing up about MM hunters getting an invisible pet eagle
cerulean tusk
EU forum = positive
NA forum = negative
EU likes the idea, but NA is more about the loss of what they had
Funny little thing that
drowsy narwhal
different question, from my research prot warrior is the tankiest tank, am i right? and if so, whats the 2nd next one?
cerulean tusk
Depends on what you mean by tankiest. Vs whiteswings, for sure. Vs magic, not as much. Then what content, do you count content where BDK is selfsufficent 100%?
In general tho, sure, pwarr is very tanky - if not the tankiest.
drowsy narwhal
content would be for mythic+, and tankiest would be normal dmg + magic dmg combined on average
like you can afford to make a mistake and not get oneshot
compared to others
drowsy narwhal
yeah, if very high, true, but like exclude the scenarios where it is a one shot for every class
cerulean tusk
Warrior is really tanky, so it fits your bill. As long you do the minium.
BDK got an easier time getting oneshot, monk I dunno, VDH is easier to get killed and same with Ppally.
Problem it kinda requires you to play bad on purpose almost.
pallid quiver
Minor mistakes are made all the time, but don't really stop you from clearing and timing a key unless you make a lot of them in a run
drowsy narwhal
i m at +5 right now, so you guys are +10 and more
so you have more experience ofc
cerulean tusk
I wouldn't worry about anything but this:
Are you enjoying the gameplay? If so - play that tank
drowsy narwhal
oh i m a born tank 😄 and i love my prot warrior, i m not asking cause i want to switch
just curious like how others are without playing them, i dont have the time or will to test them
cerulean tusk
Kinda can sum it up like this:
Wanna jump around more - doing plays? Play VDH
Wanna play to solo the content? BDK
Wanna be specail? Monk
Want to interupt those casts ppl dont, and fix the groups misstakes? Ppally
Want to just chill? Gdruid
Off those, BDK is probably the most unique tanks, that many enjoy.
hardy snow
I wouldn't worry about anything but this:
Are you enjoying the gameplay? If so -...
what if I enjoy my gameplay, but Blizzard told me they want to kill that fun? 
cerulean tusk
Play warrior
cerulean tusk
It isn't, but it is fun playing with your life in your own hands 100% of the time.
Problem is, if ppl don't allow you to play around your kit. You wipe. Ez as.
And there is a lot of trial and error.
drowsy narwhal
so whats your verdict on warrior, you listed all but prot warrior, how would you describe us?
pallid quiver
ZUG ZUG ME PRESS BUTTON
cerulean tusk
Want to just be a brickwall? Warrior
drowsy narwhal
lol okay thanks 😄
so in terms of style, whats the most similar to us?
are there any dps for example?
tardy abyss
Tbh I don't find ppal that different
cerulean tusk
DPS? Well, if you want to have the same few button rotation. Being kinda tanky.
Fury Thane
drowsy narwhal
ah, so i can seek exodus in that if prot warr fails me 😄
red tree
Question for pwars of the world... What % shield block uptime you average in m+, like 10ish range. Should I take heavy repercussions if I am around 84-85% with into the fray?
ancient reef
do we ever switch to haste verse and not crit/haste
pallid quiver
if you want to
There's not a major difference
crit/haste just gets you more damage
cerulean tusk
Haste/Mastery gang 
pallid quiver
You're not going to suddenly be able to do content because you went haste/vers instead
drowsy narwhal
where can i look up my shield uptime?
pallid quiver
Logs are the best way of evaluating any of your performance
cerulean tusk
You got details? Click an ability in the window, go to the window tab "auras"
pallid quiver
So you'll have to upload those to Warcraft logs for them to be parsed
cerulean tusk
you see it there
pallid quiver
But Details with that will give you a spitball
drowsy narwhal
ok, thanks, will check
70% for me, but in my defense, my haste is too low so i have some inbetween times that i cannot have it up all the time
pallid quiver
If your haste is low, you rock HR
drowsy narwhal
haste is 6700 15%
pallid quiver
Then, you need 0% haste to have 100% SB uptime
tardy abyss
Question for pwars of the world... What % shield block uptime you average in m+,...
Should be 95% minimum
cerulean tusk
8% tho... >:)
drowsy narwhal
run hr?
waxen cradle
I went over to the NA forums for a minute to see what people were saying and literally laughed out loud. They literally have turned into a bitching chamber for how pally's are stronger from one point of view to the actual Prot warriors arguing with a pally player saying that Pally's are not as superior to Warriors as players think they are. It's funny to watch and read 1 pally bitching in every topic that pally's are not better and struggle just as hard as any warrior. Its a train wreck I can't look away LOL
pallid quiver
Like listed here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank#Mythic+
drowsy narwhal
how did u know i wasnt running it? 😄
cerulean tusk
cause of your uptime
tardy abyss
if low Haste
pallid quiver
It's not a good enough tradeoff unless you have enough haste to cover
It'll still be less uptime, but you can get 100% effective coverage
as compared to pretty much being unable to not be at 100% raw uptime
cerulean tusk
I would just use HR, dont worry about the little dam loss
pallid quiver
but i'll be damned if people don't try
pallid quiver
I would just use HR, dont worry about the little dam loss
This. It's only even that much in AOE, not ST
and ST you can't even guarantee all stacks of ITF
(In M+)
drowsy narwhal
thanks guys, okay, did the change in my talent build
whats the threshold to go ITF, 15k? 20k?
vaguely ofc
tardy abyss
20k-ish
drowsy narwhal
oh okay, a long way to go then, thanks
this is from my last +5 dawnbreaker run: https://snipboard.io/10xbes.jpg
red tree
Should be 95% minimum
Kinda what I was thinking. HR it is
drowsy narwhal
i assume dmg will always be this low, i also favor defensive skills than dmg
pallid quiver
You can easily get up to like 1M overalls, and you don't favor defensive skills; Prot Warrior works in a way that the way to do the most damage with the spec is what gets you the most defense, since it optimizes rage gen
which ties back into the whole warrior nerf debacle
cerulean tusk
drowsy narwhal
maybe not anymore with the new season? 😄
drowsy narwhal
i see, yeah, well, i like my 2/2 endurance training 😦
probably i ll optimize it once i reach +8 and above
tardy abyss
Endurance Training is so fake
But hey, at least we get it for free next season right?
tiny atlas
Should be 95% minimum
Is it really that trivial to get 95% + SB uptime? Maybe its my „low“ haste (14k unbuffed atm) but i generally end up at 85% - 90%, maybe sometimes 91/92%.
pallid quiver
With Heavy Rep, yes
It's actually beyond trivial; you can easily have 100% uptime as long as you're hitting things
tiny atlas
Is it really that trivial to get 95% + SB uptime? Maybe its my „low“ haste (14k ...
This was without HR
pallid quiver
With ItF, you'll run into mini-gaps, but it should still be very high
100% effective uptime, with all incoming melees blocked
tiny atlas
Obviously HR makes it trivial at some point.
pallid quiver
If you're not getting those, you're either mismanaging SB or don't actually have enough haste for ITF to be viable
tiny atlas
100% effective uptime, with all incoming melees blocked
I am only going from the details Buff uptime window
pallid quiver
It's still quite easy as compared to high block uptimes in times before DF
pallid quiver
I am only going from the details Buff uptime window
Realistically, that'll show as like 95% uptime or so, hence what Stjpa said
tiny atlas
Well there is 0 doubt that i just cant play better, but scratching like 10% seems far fetched for me. Pressing my buttons quite a lot 🤣
pallid quiver
It's less pressing your buttons a lot and instead timing them properly
You want as little block uptime wasted as possible, since that gives time for SB charges to recuperate between pulls
tiny atlas
Maybe thats more the issue.
pallid quiver
You can't just send them on CD as they come back
well, you can and you'll still have high block uptime,
tiny atlas
Have to record a run again and Check for wasted SB
pallid quiver
but that's where the extra time up comes from
Luckily, it's at least still easier than managing block in earlier xpacs was; no need to charge/intervene weave like in SL, for example
tiny atlas
Well its the first time i am „pushing“ and first time playing Prot War. And now going into 13+ i feel thats one area (of many) i need to imrpove.
So dont know how it was „back in the days“
pallid quiver
Honestly, if going into those really high keys, I'd personally just run HR
The extra damage from ITF will not matter as compared to being sure you can provide your DPS with as seamless a blasting process as possible
tiny atlas
Nah no way. If it is a me problem i will not just switch to HR to compensate. Need to just play better and maybe get like 1k more haste.
Are you currently playing prot in m+?
pallid quiver
It's less a skill issue and more of reducing mental load; you remove the need to worry about SB so you have more brain to track interrupts/stops/CD timers
pallid quiver
Are you currently playing prot in m+?
uhhhhhhhh, technically yes, I have entered M+ as a Prot War
but i also haven't even done a +9 this season because I really cba unlike DF
I'm mostly around to help teach people how to play the spec, since I enjoy that more than actually playing the game at the moment
I don't even do my weeklies most of the time
pallid quiver
I say technically because I play when friends ask me to
I played like week 1-2, then stopped since they mostly stopped
They burned themselves out while waiting for content to drop somehow
otherwise, hell yeah no, can not be assed to try and push at all this season
People's jimmies have been too much in a bunch imo
tiny atlas
Well thats one issue i have. A lot of advice (good or bad, who knows) seems to come from Players that dont even play atm. No idea how much for example „the sb question“ changes over the patches.
pallid quiver
That's because most players are pretty done playing for the season as a whole
tiny atlas
Not many prot wars left 🤣
pallid quiver
You've only got people fighting for title, newer players, bad players, and people pushing hella high keys left
tiny atlas
Yeah, for sure.
pallid quiver
And the people in those groups almost all will play meta except the newer players group
keen leaf
thats just a dumb statement based on your version of playing right now
pallid quiver
But yeah, SB uptime has been the same as a minigame sort of thing since the start of Dragonflight
pallid quiver
thats just a dumb statement based on your version of playing right now
well that's just uncalled for
The talent system went by and large unchanged and set in stone how SB uptime works over time.
HR, with the amount of shield slams, pretty much trivializes SB management because of how much extra duration you get out of it. ITF adds in a small amount of micromangement, but it's working off raw attempting to keep SB alive through CDR on SB itself with haste
So ITF isn't a real SB talent unlike the 4 actual ones on the tree
(For the record, these are Heavy Repercussions, Champion's Bulwark, Enduring Defenses, and Bolster. Having at least 3 of the 4 guarantees 100% SB uptime)
tiny atlas
Well standard seem to be only 2 of those.
Champs and Enduring Defenses propably never change
But Bolster is not played by many as it seems and obviously HR is rarely seen on high prot wars.
Just have to get my hands on the 5k haste neck from raids and there will Never be issues again 🤣
pallid quiver
A good majority of the warriors pushing higher keys just copy pasted a build without much thought from people clearing before them, since it was working for them, so it should keep working. I think I mentioned somewhere near the start, but like a gap here or there really won't kill you;
at 90% uptime, you're already higher than some of the logs from +15s I've seen in terms of uptime and blocked hits
finite oracle
i'm going to ask a controversial question, so ..just bear with me.
does anyone use hekili for tanking? I do for cooldown references. And if so, any profiles to share? sometimes it does truly help me with maintaining IP and SB
pallid quiver
I don't think too many people do. I'm not even sure how accurate it is for tank specs. If it does work, there's nothing wrong with using it. I'd probably try checking in a Hekili discord, though, since the largest majority of users here specifically don't use it.
finite oracle
Got it. Understood
urban portal
i'm going to ask a controversial question, so ..just bear with me.
does anyon...
i wouldnt
and im a huge hekili fan
tanking involves understanding how to use cds properly
and hekili isnt gonna help you plan your cds
grim pilot
I had fun learning enha playing hekili for 2 keys and it was telling me to use earth elemental on cd rotationally
Or astral shift
gloomy patrol
I have a potentially dumb question. When I charge into a pack, there's a chance that the mob can walk forward mid charge and my character ends up with his back to the rest of the pack. It's not the end of the world to readjust my positioning but it is slightly more annoying to me because of a disability. It's not a new thing, I've noticed it for several expansions.
I guess my question is, do other people experience this or am I doing something wrong? And if so, is there a technique/macro to mitigate the chances of it happening?
gloomy trail
It happened many times to me, didnt rly think about it. Thats probably mob AI. Its getting aggroed first and run to your position but youre to fast. You are too fast for AI xD
jagged gust
Hell sometimes charge decides to draw out geometrical shapes with it's pathing
maybe there was a pebble in your path, maybe the mobs were moving as you were charging and it positioned you poorly
lime slate
Man prot warrior is nice today I tanked a dungeon it was on normal so it wasn't something great but all the ppl died and the boss had 70% hp and I solo it
It was tge darklair or something and I was 600 item lvl
But it made me feel like a beast
tardy herald
Haha holy shit. Just tried my first 15 Necrotic. That first pull is gonna require some timing.
tender pond
I had fun learning enha playing hekili for 2 keys and it was telling me to use e...
did a casual grim 11 last week. invited enhance. they didnt know how to curse dispel but they did, somehow, know how to use earth elemental on cooldown. always.
well.
fuck hekili.
dusky patrol
hey, what conditions need to be true to activate ignore pain tracker in the nom wa?
im in level progress if thats relevant
sweet summit
if you open the aura and look at trigger/load it will tell you (i don't use it so idk)
sweet summit
send some screenshots
sweet summit
tiny atlas
finally i hit 3k io today!
Congratulations. Well done.
Still missing 50 points myself 😦
oak ivy
is "2mil thunderclap" an acceptable response to "prot warrior boring"
cuz i stg those violent outburst thunderclaps with a proc and avatar are a dopamine printer
shell shale
hello fellow tanks, can someone say whether I am not ready for 12-15+ mythics or those just require immence precision and tactics?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/solrathar/
wild chasm
You should be able to try and finish a +12 with good CD usage. It’s more about your gameplay than gear if you’re above 630- I’ve seen people with 615~ tank 12s
Make sure you’re running Heavy Repercussions and not Into the fray, because your haste seems low to handle it yet
And just make sure you use your CD’s and you use them at good moments
Maybe watch some pov of a certain dungeon and see how the person uses it, then try to imitate it. And do it a second and a third time until you get a grasp of it. Then move to the next dungeon
fringe chasm
shell shale
Make sure you’re running Heavy Repercussions and not Into the fray, because your...
Oh yea I am not using 'Into the Fray', how much Haste do I need for it, and what is the exact purpose, so much haste to overvalue the repercussions?
Also I have some questions on these . I mean like, is Colossus any good for high keys? to me it seemd so hard that rage generation is so low you can't even ignore pain much xD
And as for the screen is 'Rubmling Earth' better for AOE stuns and CDR as well s affix removal, instead of 'Bitter Immunity' or Pain and Gain for example, they seem much valuable
pallid quiver
Also I have some questions on these . I mean like, is Colossus any good for high...
Colo is 100% less survivable than Thane. It trades that off for a lot more damage potential.
cerulean tusk
Honestly, just try things out. Fit your talents to your own play style. After each run ask yourself if there is something you rather would have in the tree.
Haste is aroun 20k rating
pallid quiver
So realistically, in keys where you dying is a realistic possibility, it's not really a viable option
pallid quiver
Also I have some questions on these . I mean like, is Colossus any good for high...
And the reason for ITF is it gives you more damage
At the cost of SB uptime, which is why you need haste to run it so you keep SB up
cerulean tusk
(tank dam overall ain't that important at the 12-15 range, don't sweat it) just remember to allow the DPS good pulls that line with their CDs
pallid quiver
^^^
The amount of damage you could potentially gain is outweighed by enabling your 3 DPS based classes to blast as hard as they can
cyan bronze
Colo is 100% less survivable than Thane. It trades that off for a lot more damag...
It shouldn’t be
Colossus should get 20% more dr passive
cerulean tusk
After the Nerf, they prob going to slap that DR onto def stance to undo the impact
cyan bronze
kkk
wild chasm
Oh yea I am not using 'Into the Fray', how much Haste do I need for it, and what...
You would need around 17-18k haste without any other buffs. Most people use it, because you gain some DPS thanks to it and the spec feels even faster. If you go for it before that threshold though you won’t have enough shield block uptime and will get hit without it which hurts
wild chasm
And as for the screen is 'Rubmling Earth' better for AOE stuns and CDR as well s...
Pain and Gain isn’t giving you that much healing to run it always. Bitter immunity can be nice to sometimes clear a poison or something off of you, but you can play without it just fine. Rumbling earth is useful for the affix but other than that… Not much. I prefer taking 5% move speed for easier kiting/grouping up, saw some people taking fear for that extra stop. Another thing is you don’t have intervene, which with the Thane talent can help off someone on big damage moments. And also saves someone from frontal damage on 1st boss NW so there it is really recommended to take it
Ohhh and btw affix is gone 12s and onwards so Rumbling Earth will be of a lower value there
shell shale
thanks all, very much!
violet ginkgo
Not really.
dusky patrol
what else can i ignore here?
ionic nimbus
what else can i ignore here?
Do a macro with charge and intervene to safe a button
shell shale
you people use rend?
dusky patrol
got it
shell shale
ye yea, was just wondering why he has it. Also the slow stuff, the one near the horse, is it rly usable?
violet ginkgo
Also usually you choose between intervene or stormbolt right?
dusky patrol
ye yea, was just wondering why he has it. Also the slow stuff, the one near the ...
im in leveling progress still, and copied the m+ talent build out of interest and was surprised by how many spells ive got in my bars xd
wild chasm
Also usually you choose between intervene or stormbolt right?
Nope, you can and in most cases should have both
shell shale
guys, it might be a stupid question, but perhaps someone can advise whether there is a macro that does not use pummel, any target interrupt basically, if the target is not casting anything, meaning there is nothing to interrupt :(( As I always miss interrupt other mobs except the caster, sometimes more
cerulean tusk
That would be a script (or exploit of ingame functions), as such against ToS. They exist, but are a cheat. Very often seen in the PvP scene.
cinder marsh
need some help here, the two things that caught my eye in the vault is the BIS sword from raid hero, and the hero trinket from NW, but i have the bis sword hero from duneons and my second trink is not bis what should i pick?
btw dungeon bis is shipwreckers bludgeon
and mine is 626
silent shard
Prot warriors doesn't have a fully bis gear, i mean they have one for the most optimizing way, but at the end of the day you chasing only ilvl, because thats more gains than secondarys
And the NW trinket is casually fake for warriors
There are other trinkets what gives you more
shell shale
true, i'm stuck at just vault, giving me myth items, can't care, as I have crafted 3-4 plates just for them to be 636 and etc
silent shard
For raids thats a good dmg trinket but for M+, just not worth it
In my opinion, if you unlocked 3 vault slots, and the 2 best item is a hero track weapon and a hero track NW trinket, and you already have a hero track weapon, i rather getting a socket
That gives you more
But it's only my opinion
pale badge
Sry for the noob quetion here just making a vault decision for mythic ring this week, do we think we are equipping the Cyrce's Circlet anytiem soon?
perhaps we can get a pin with this info to prevent other fools like me asking the same question?
lofty warren
Pwar is confirmed dead next patch?
keen leaf
Sry for the noob quetion here just making a vault decision for mythic ring this ...
The ring is good right now, run a sim
keen leaf
sim, but its probably Stormbringer's, Fathomdweller's, and Legendary Skipper
strong forum
pallid quiver
he's sending us his love/hate
mighty valley
Pwar is confirmed dead next patch?
ptr isn’t even up yet, sorry we can’t see the future
sharp gale
It’s time to do my 8 keys for the vault
marsh dove
is there a talent i can drop to get disrupting shout?
sharp gale
that's the type of night i need
sharp gale
is there a talent i can drop to get disrupting shout?
i think it's bloodsurge
urban bane
♥️🎄
old flame
question Mythic 1h weapon or heroic Sureki neck?
old flame
❤️
topaz rivet
10s have been aspirational content for my little crew of returning players all season so far. We finally got one for this week’s vault and got our first myth track piece… and sigh, mine is a Throngus finger. 😖
cerulean tusk
I hope ya lads are having fun, ya will be done with all 10s faster than you expect! 
sharp gale
I hope ya lads are having fun, ya will be done with all 10s faster than you expe...
mmmmmmh
cerulean tusk
context?
sharp gale
mmmmmmmh
cerulean tusk
At this point, I wouldn't stress filling the vault. Season is over either way 
pallid quiver
I hope ya lads are having fun, ya will be done with all 10s faster than you expe...
no i won't
i expected to be done week 1
i'm still not done with all 10s
sharp gale
i did 88 mists
cerulean tusk
88 mists?
o_o
it happened, 1 hour in que, but the legends are true. Some ppl invite DPS warrior
sharp gale
i fill my 8 vault 10 since week 1 or 2
pallid quiver
it happened, 1 hour in que, but the legends are true. Some ppl invite DPS warrio...
Let us know if they eat glue (derogatory) or eat glue (complimentary)
sharp gale
if you do 8 mist per week for 4 months
cerulean tusk
you need Elune in your life
pallid quiver
This man really just typed 1 in game chat and kept chatting in Discord, didn't he smh
sharp gale
<:dandy:809705852658253844> you need Elune in your life
i don't even play a lot
i'm raid logging since november
pallid quiver
i don't even play a lot
i don't even do 8 keys in a week
sharp gale
i do 3-4 before going to college the morning of reset
i finish when i come back, and i don't play wow the whole week but raid
sharp gale
tbh i hesitate to fill it this week
pallid quiver
I think I just hit Heroic Rash and Princess pug got hard blocked by brood per usual
sharp gale
it's been 2 months i didn't do a pug raid
pallid quiver
It's about the usual
If I like actually wanted to clear, I'd make my own groups
But I really cba
sharp gale
i'm destroying those kind of games personnally
pallid quiver
i did get rank 72 on heroic princess though at the time of my log upload, which was neat
pallid quiver
I'm not really aiming for parsing or anything since I'm only 620 after the new ring
sharp gale
but i don't want to play wow...
pallid quiver
but it feels nice to just randomly show up in the top 100 because people hate pressing buttons
sharp gale
yeah heroic is kinda horrible the average player lvl
pallid quiver
Even for M raid tanks that step down to try and parse in Heroic
sharp gale
don't have downtime and you do 90s
pallid quiver
A lot of them are real stinkers
Nome casually gets like bare minimum top 10 on most fights without PI or anything
sharp gale
don't have downtime with dogshit never played 610 alt, you do 70-75s
it would make me mad about kill time
pallid quiver
for tanks that's closer to 90s tbh
sharp gale
i have no tank alts kinda funny
i love prot war and brew, but i gave up brew a long time ago
pallid quiver
I only recently got up to 620; I was like 612 forever, and I was still parsing 95-97th percentile
sharp gale
wtf i'm looking at the first time i played fury (it was a echo split i was literally a lootbody)
todays it is still 31 in today parse
HOW 30% OF FURY DOES LESS THAN 600k
smoky anvil
HOW 30% OF FURY DOES LESS THAN 600k
Listen chief, things like not being afk, not dying, and pressing ol buttons more than every 3-5 seconds can be difficult work.
cerulean tusk
To be fair, someone got to be green parsing, so you can do your orange, ok?
Don't be toxic
That would be you, if they didnt take the hit
- Also, key failed. Back to the lobby
urban portal
yeah i wouldnt trust anyone who invites a dps wariror either
mighty valley
HOW 30% OF FURY DOES LESS THAN 600k
Most wow players don’t go to websites to learn anything, they just press buttons they feel like every now and then
Those people are happier than everyone in all class discords
cerulean tusk
sharp gale
Those people are happier than everyone in all class discords
the bliss of ignorance
grim pilot
yeah i wouldnt trust anyone who invites a dps wariror either
Real
pallid quiver
- Also, key failed. Back to the lobby
They were glue eaters (derogatory), them
pallid quiver
Those people are happier than everyone in all class discords
Some are actually angrier; I've had the misfortune of being in a Discord chat with some if them before
cyan bronze
They were glue eaters (derogatory), them
You called?
Why derogatory
I eat glue for world peace ✊
strong forum
tardy abyss
Imagine not being fully geared yet
upbeat lake
its been a wild ride, i think prot warrior was definitively a good choice as my first time learning tank
now i can finally take a break
undone canyon
Im not seeing anything about the gems in the new ring am I blind?
wicked pollen
what do you mean
undone canyon
like what gems are bis
wicked pollen
cyan bronze
Check DMs
wicked pollen
i sww
cyan bronze
Single weapon warrior
sharp gale
Imagine not being fully geared yet
i need 1 single item
tardy abyss
Skill issue
eager marlin
i need 1 single item
GL mate
sharp gale
yeah, if i do my 8 dungeons on christmas eve, egg will drop tomorrow
mighty valley
Your Christmas gift to yourself can be not giving a shit
cinder marsh
ok so if you had the bis dungeon 626 weapon and in the vault is the bis raid sword and your doing m+ what would you pick
they are both H
jagged gust
yeah, if i do my 8 dungeons on christmas eve, egg will drop tomorrow
I did one last night and was rewarded with a throngus finger in the vault for xmas 😦
wicked pollen
happy throngus finger!
jagged gust
happy throngus!
boreal heath
ok so if you had the bis dungeon 626 weapon and in the vault is the bis raid swo...
You'd sim it
cinder marsh
yea but the weapon i have on rn is obv gonna be higher cause its maxed out on hero
sharp gale
even that dogshit brew leech on my key
jagged gust
I mean you sim
if you dont want to sim, take the one with more haste
if equal haste, take whichever doesn't have mastery
(Says the guy with 12k mastery)
pallid quiver
@strong forum Hey, sorry to ask, but I'm kind of curious. On your Princess and Sikran parses, you used Thane Execute build on Princess, but Colo Execute on Sikran. On the sims on my own char, Thane execute appears to do more damage on ST as a whole, and Colo Execute normally becomes better on the other fights where you can fish out free stacks of demo from revenge. But Sikran doesn't have any adds like that. Is there something I'm missing as to why you opted for Colo there? Did it just sim better that day? I'm kinda curious since any time I do mess with raid, I semi-attempt to parse and see how well I do with my shitter ilvl, so I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing for pad purposes.
strong forum
rng
but also the thane run i decided to run thane instead of colo cuz the group was shit
nothing else
my sikran however is also ungodly good
literally #1 world
across all tanks
pallid quiver
yeah, that's one of the main reasons i asked
Shit is wild high
i'm half terrified because you don't even get PI when you parse
strong forum
as natty as it gets
no special speedkill group
no pad assignments
just pug
just pump
pallid quiver
i won't forget the time i effectively was given a pad assignment in DF S2 on Echo
Entire group spawned a bajillion adds and died, so I just got free AOE pad on all the adds for the entire rest of the fight
I think i got like r40 while being like 20-25 ilvls below everyone else as result; funny as hell in NA pug bad-times sometimes
sharp olive
Merry Christmas! Someone help me decide - Tier head piece (myth) or Sac-brood trinket (Myth) - both items are Hero 626 atm
strong forum
do you do mythic raid
strong forum
then probably still the sack
cuz you can more easily get a myth helmet to then just catalyse
than a trinket thats as usable as sac
sharp olive
Thank you!
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Hey, sorry to ask, but I'm kind of curious. On your Prince...
but also, colossus just sims higher for me
so the fact that i have thane parses is actually just RNG as its like one of the 2 times that i played thane instead of the 20+ colossus runs i did
pallid quiver
Yeah, I figured it generally would once you have actual stats
strong forum
dunno for me colossus always simmed higher
pallid quiver
I actually found it pretty interesting that Thane sims higher for me with the junk I've got
strong forum
from ilvl 580 onwards
pallid quiver
It's not by much, only like 20k at the absolute most dire based on timings I showed
pallid quiver
Yeah, anything with adds, Colo just instantly blows past
I'm wagering it's because I've got enough crit for spear to do more damage than roar, but not enough crit to get reliably more stacks for Colo, but that'd require effort to find out
strong forum
pallid quiver
i ain't smart enough to figure that out, i just press button
see pink number, smile
strong forum
see pink number, 
strong forum
pallid quiver
my goal is to make it so all those m raid tanks are not beating the allegations
anyone i end up higher than, smh
I ain't even good at this spec
I'm not cracked like you, Jakey, and Sense can be, so I'm pretty chill with that goal
true cliff
howdy, i wanted to ask what to do when fighting zekvir on ?? and dealing with his interrupts, brann is just the worst.
true cliff
awesome! thank you!
high wyvern
quazi said prot war changes will kill warr and bad, is it time to panic
mighty valley
if we're a week from the patch coming out and they haven't said anything about the patch notes
that's when i'll start dooming
deft mortar
this has to be a fkn joke
I do like 1 dung a week rn just chill for 1 vault
It's a goddamn void pacstone for 2 weeks in a row
I don't think I've hated a trinket so much
cyan bronze
quazi said prot war changes will kill warr and bad, is it time to panic <:deadge...
I mean
Clock is ticking right with that take
Granted colossus is gonna get put to 20% passive% and 40% from demolish
So its whatever idc
violet ginkgo
quazi said prot war changes will kill warr and bad, is it time to panic <:deadge...
I mean it is a huge nerf.
restive oak
wont you feel giga rage starved if you play colossus?
violet ginkgo
I still don’t understand how their note is “We felt Prot warrior generating too much rage and too much dump it on IP” then based on that philosophy they nerf our damage by 30% like whuat!?
restive oak
they forgot they designed the spec to work off spending massive rage
jagged gust
They took Anger Management too literally
violet ginkgo
rigid yew
It's not the prot war changes that make me frustrated
I don't even play brew or prot pally but how are there zero damn changes to them?
tidal arrow
quick question should i be in defensive stance at all times or do you still use it primarily as a sort of defensive?
assuming you're running like +12
quasi lintel
BStance not worth this season
cerulean tusk
I live in dstance, the DPS diff is not worth the extra damage taken, when DPS is not the limiting factor of the keys.
If I die the key is dead, if I do a few % more, nothing changes.
rigid yew
I'm so tired of valorstones, I have myth gear that is lower ilvl that I can't upgrade and equip. I have 100+ crests
quasi lintel
quazi said prot war changes will kill warr and bad, is it time to panic <:deadge...
Little bit of an optimist here, It says that ignore pain will ignore +30% more dmg. And with the Luck of the Draw shield charge CDR (-6sec on Shield Slam Crit after LotD), arent we blowing the prot warr nerfs out of proportion here?
I mean shield charge, while it generates less rage, it'll proc more often, still give us rage, and we don't realistically feel nerfed with IP being buffed
Unless I'm reading that wrong
To me they're just trying to lower the APM of prot warrior to where we're not spamming IP every other ability to not overcap on rage while still keeping it viable
(I sound like a sleeper blizzard employee)
not to mention these are early preliminary patch notes and not written in stone
jagged gust
You need to take into account the -50% rage generation from the nerf to shield charge, on top of the nerfs to tactician, we'll generate far less rage from shield charge, and have fewer SSs overall to benefit from inside of the set proc
cyan bronze
Little bit of an optimist here, It says that ignore pain will ignore +30% more d...
My face when I don’t get to hit avatar
cyan bronze
not to mention these are early preliminary patch notes and not written in stone
Yeah let’s say nothing instead so blizzard gets no early feedback that these changes gut the class
quasi lintel
how likely is it that they change their mind on patches like this
jagged gust
also apm is kinda the reason i enjoy warrior in the first place
quasi lintel
I'm very surprised they gutted prot warr as much as they did and not prot pal
quasi lintel
got it
yeah my favorite part of quazii's video is how he said it's probably an intern's idea that went through lol
cyan bronze
Well blizzard only has interns nowadays
jagged gust
"The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math" ahhh
cyan bronze
cyan bronze
"The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math" ahhh
Yeah
quasi lintel
btw how much dps should I have at the end of a dungeon at 627 with sacbrood and swarmlords
cyan bronze
Depends on pulls and key level
vital pollen
vault rng so bad this season. Still 8 pieces of hero track gear because the vault gives me the same slots every week.
quasi lintel
truuuuuue
vital pollen
That tracks
quasi lintel
vault rng so bad this season. Still 8 pieces of hero track gear because the vaul...
that's why you play more than one toon so when you don't get shit on one, the other one helps you cope
vital pollen
that's why you play more than one toon so when you don't get shit on one, the ot...
It's worse than that. I shit you not, my Dk that I barely play? Mark of Kharadros 2 weeks in a row.
vital pollen
I saw the 2nd one this week and was like, "You have to be kidding me."
quasi lintel
and it already has the ansurek ring
cyan bronze
I saw the 2nd one this week and was like, "You have to be kidding me."
You guys are getting trinkets?
vital pollen
You guys are getting trinkets?
On my warrior? D-tier trinkets yes. Voidstone this weeek.
jagged gust
btw how much dps should I have at the end of a dungeon at 627 with sacbrood and ...
627 I'm seeing logs ~8-900k for thane in my WCL with normal trinkets, scarab you can roughly guess the dps loss to be -5%
But also I'm pretty mid so maybe that dps actually is scarab accurate lol
rigid yew
I think you all will be suprised when these patch notes go live as is. Blizz doesn't exactly have the best track record.
urban portal
also apm is kinda the reason i enjoy warrior in the first place
i kinda get it IF it was like DF where prot was like 15 apm above the next highest spec
but thats not even true anymore
jagged gust
Man, I should really play my rogue
tardy abyss
btw how much dps should I have at the end of a dungeon at 627 with sacbrood and ...
Definitely more with an actual trinket in place of swarmlords
fallow hinge
Is it every worth replacing rasha cape on hero track with a myth track cloak? like is the extra .4% dmg better then the effect of the cloak?
tardy abyss
Is it every worth replacing rasha cape on hero track with a myth track cloak? li...
Yes because the effect hardly ever does anything
round pendant
I think you all will be suprised when these patch notes go live as is. Blizz doe...
are people coping that "we'll be fine"
jagged pier
We will be fine, its game terms except damage and fun gameplaywise
We will live fine
round pendant
yeah I mean shield block and spell block/reflect are good enough fundamental tools
but they've dumpstered the actual good parts of playing the class
round pendant
also people saying IP will be 30% stronger
either I'm missing something or they're misunderstanding what that actually means
IP is still the same mitigation, it's just slightly easier to hit cap
which we were almost always doing anyway, no?
I guess with the rage changes it'll be harder/impossible to cap it out and so it might be relevant
but man that just sounds not fun
rigid yew
It's supposed to be less IP button smashes but the same IP shield amount.
Why that even matters, idk
jagged pier
As far as i know u jist get a bigger shield when u press it so u get more bang for your buck
But its the same cap and still works the same
Its basically to combat the fact we have no rage
round pendant
yeah exactly so it changes nothing except you press it slightly less often + have no rage anyway
oh well looks like I'm not tanking next season
or maybe I'll finally switch to bear
rigid yew
Why there is no prot pally changes is baffling
Tanks in general need some love
Rip dps queues
Zero mention of the word Brewmaster in the pve notes
90%+ of current keys are now prot pally
It was between that or war for most of the season
The rest of the tanks were basically non-existent
round pendant
felt like DF s1-2 were pretty good and then they just fired the balancing team or something
jagged pier
Well prot pally isnt like far ahead tbh, its just always meta pretty much if all tanks are equalish and they can live keys
Which they can right
Yer there damage is a bit silly i guess
round pendant
idk why they wanna nerf prot war instead of buff other tanks
jagged pier
Well they dont see it as a nerf. 100%
Cause the person that made the changes doesnt understand how it works
At all
round pendant
Cause the person that made the changes doesnt understand how it works
yeah
I'm noticing this more and more with patchnotes tbh
They have a preamble about something they want to change and it makes sense
and then the notes themselves are completely contradictory to what they just said
jagged pier
because Rage doesn't play into our defensiveness or damage
Well thats why they buffed IP cause they dont understand its hitting avatar and SW too
round pendant
30s cooldown reduction on SW tho!
jagged pier
Just buff IP so the loss of rage doesnt matter right? 
round pendant
I wonder if Blizzard just has insane employee churn nowadays
it's the only thing that makes sense
rigid yew
"we don't want tanks to feel like they are getting one shot from tank busters this season"
Every dungeon, every other pack, tries to delete you
Yeah imma just reroll dps
Woops, m+ run rate just crashed
jagged pier
Just wait for priory 
sharp gale
Just buff IP so the loss of rage doesnt matter right? <:Kappa:233058016067321857...
But don’t increase max IP amount so you don’t fight what you said in your explanation of the tuning
rigid yew
Cinderbrew scares me tbh
sharp gale
Every TWW dungeons scares me
rigid yew
The darkness roleplay gonna get old real fast
chrome sapphire
Cinderbrew has all of like 3 packs you could actually skip, it's going to feel like it takes forever every run.
That and major streamers are going to be presumably pulling the whole first room in 1 pull, which is going to be a nightmare cause pugs are just going to expect to copy it.
violet ginkgo
Merry Xmas to all prot warrior players.
sharp gale
I pray the Christmas blood god for my vault
jagged pier
I did not get a good vault
blazing condor
christmas vault is a big one
round pendant
you guys are still filling vaults?
jagged pier
My trinkets are bad so still have too
vocal cave
sikran vs rashan necks?
lime slate
Do u guys and gal's are happy of blizzard with the changes they make with the new season
jagged pier
No ones happy
vocal cave
cause they have probably like 2 people doing everything for all specs and they just happen to put up a blunder
wether or not they will push through with it is another qeustion
onyx musk
Any tips for a Fury warrior looking to try his hand at tanking?
finite loom
still i dont get invites to 12s, even if i 2chested all 11s
lime slate
I started playing prot in dung a few weeks ago and I really enjoyed it and I wanna play more but I feel now is not going to be so good
tardy abyss
cause they have probably like 2 people doing everything for all specs and they j...
It's not that bad but not all devs know everything about the specs they handle
Which is fine as long as they listen to feedback
sharp gale
I think it is feedback that pushed the changes in prot
But the feedback we are not aware of
casuals
lime slate
I don't know but i think after that changing many prot player won't play prot in m+ and stuff I maybe wrong
jagged pier
Many ppl wont for sure
Most prots will just complain and still play it
Well die hards anyway
lime slate
As I said I don't know enough prot yet to know for sure
But I like that I can generate so much rage
And if it wasn't for that I couldn't do the thing I did 2 days ago
I solo a boss while all of my team mates where down
My button of ingrore pain was in pain after the fight 😄
kindred turret
Those changes cant possibly go live...
jagged pier
We said there was no way we would go live with Ip on the gcd in BFA
We said surely we would get buffs in SLs before launch we didnt
sweet summit
strange night
Do we have a feedback main post on forums we can upvote to let them know what the community thinks ?
charred ivy
is roaring war queen citrine any good? it say it can trigger stormbringer runed citrine?
orchid mural
We said there was no way we would go live with Ip on the gcd in BFA
We said sure...
so many protests about IP on the GCD, and didnt get fixed forever.
it is bleak, but we need to rally and post feedback - a lot!
Hit the forums friends 🙂
jagged pier
Hit the forums every time never made a difference
wicked pollen
jakey do you do colo and thane keys?
jagged pier
Ye
wicked pollen
am i wrong in thinking that as colo im mainly scared when i dont have damage cds
and thane is big pulls without defensives?
jagged pier
Never felt bad playing ither 
cyan bronze
Colossus you aren’t scared because if you die it’s whatever your damage is so big no one will notice
wicked pollen
not that it feels bad playing colo
cyan bronze
rocky crest
still i dont get invites to 12s, even if i 2chested all 11s
it's not easier @ 14 n upwards either
wicked pollen
but how do i communicate when i should call for externals or cc when i feel i can same pulls differently
idk if that makes sense
cyan bronze
You just do same pulls and take more damage on colossus
wicked pollen
yes
but i swear if im doing a pull without defensives but with damage
im not scared
maybe bc it just evaporates
maybe im just dumb
cyan bronze
cus u get ip from damage
ye
and some amount of leech
u can lowkey sustain off of just dmg cds
with colossus
at a certain key level low enough
sharp gale
so many protests about IP on the GCD, and didnt get fixed forever.
it is bleak,...
I remember the each class feedback post in SL beta, I know it’s just marketing
And on the colossus topic, you don’t feel bad in dmg cds because brutal vitality, and you are not in high enough keys where you need to heavily reapply IP
orchid mural
Hit the forums every time never made a difference
i hears ya - but we can't give up 🙂
pallid quiver
i mean technically, everyone actually giving up and just bulk stop playing the spec would do something
If there's literally no one playing Prot War, that looks real bad
Even worse if all the people who were playing Prot War don't swap to another tank
So there's just a sudden glut of tanks in the pool from an entire spec no longer existing, which only piles on to the low tank pop issue the community as a whole faces
cerulean tusk
Lets be real here. Warrior mains are built different. We play this class even when it is a literal detriment to the groups we play with.
Warrior is eroding slowly in popularity, as people do break and quit. Yet, this class loyalty always make the spec seem 'better' than it is.
As such, tierlists and other scewed datapoints look at us going: "That looks fine, so many are still playing it".
That aint going to change any time soon. Once the warrior diehards are gone, WoW is likely long dead as a game.
sharp gale
Brewmaster exist
No popular spec is the worst thing that can happens to a spec as well as most popular one
placid oar
Merry Xmas, prot warriors. For NW, should i kick the volley from Mage earlier or later? Somehow, after i kicked the volley it casts again. Should i kick later or earlier to prevent that. Appreciate the guidance
sharp gale
You are in a pug ?
cerulean tusk
God Jul mr Vob, you always want to delay interupts to the max as a rule of thumb o7
When you interupt doesnt matter, just that it was actually done - and not stopped by a stun or similar as you cast it
sharp gale
In pug always kick instant to give no thought process in other players on should I kick this one
If you assigned kicks well it is delayed the best
cerulean tusk
PuGs usually kick halfcast, 3/4ths and you see the panic stops come out (blinding light and so on)
sharp gale
Yeah it is a hidden rule, a cast past half bar is a unkicked cast
And you don’t want panic stops because stun dr
placid oar
okay got it, thank you lads
was with some friends
Merry Xmas and hope everyone has a good celebration and day (=
cerulean tusk
rough nest
As we're using the mastery citrine, is it worth it going for a crafted ring with Haste/Mastery ? I'm playing 50/50 Prot/fury.
(and i don't have a crafted ring yet)
cerulean tusk
No idea, but I am doing it, and having 56% chance to critblock makes most things tickle
fresh kernel
go full crit mastery colossus trust
rough nest
haste mast it is then
junior path
drowsy narwhal
hello, should i go with this champion 6/8 back piece or the 3/6 hero trinket? i am leaning towards the trinket but raidbot says otherwise: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/abARmVS5jMvHe1GpXN1LnF
i wish i ve gotten a hero chest piece so i would have catalyst it to the set piece, but no luck
sharp gale
hello, should i go with this champion 6/8 back piece or the 3/6 hero trinket? i ...
You should maybe sim items at max upgradable ilvl, and a 0,1% difference is almost no difference but trinket will always have the you variance so have to consider on use/passive switch too
drowsy narwhal
how do i do that with max ilvl?
sharp gale
You select all vault items with the button to, you press top of it upgrade at max where you have your crests, give yourself infinite crests, remove the items you don’t want to sim for iterations
drowsy narwhal
hmm, let me see if i can manage to do it, thank you for your input, will try it now
sharp gale
Tbh I would take the cloak personally
drowsy narwhal
You select all vault items with the button to, you press top of it upgrade at ma...
i maxed all item upgrade currency on the page. now before i sim it, do i individually upgrade each item to the max, before hitting sim?
sharp gale
You will replace the trinket with any other +7 better trinket anyway, and the cloak will be replaced too but will last longer bc at 619 you can wait everything else is upgraded before thinking about changing your cloak
drowsy narwhal
the back piece is the cloak you are talking about?
sharp gale
the back piece is the cloak you are talking about?
Here you have a button (sry phone and I’m 639 so nothing to upgrade)
Basically you also want to sim the track difference, it’s even more important with hero/myth since 13 ilvl difference
drowsy narwhal
how would i do that? 😄
if i try to click that button your circled in red, it goes beyond the 300k iterations
vital pollen
You don't have to sim vault items if all of them are on the two slots you have maxed already despite 8 pieces of heroic track gear
drowsy narwhal
i havent maxed anything yet, i m confused with what you mean
could you perhaps do it like you want it to do and link the result, please?
sharp gale
if i try to click that button your circled in red, it goes beyond the 300k itera...
You have to deselect the un upgraded versions
But I wouldn’t need to sim to choose in your specific situation, the cloak is the one I would pick, the trinket is really dog
scarlet violet
Is there a haste point where you would advise dropping HR and go into ITF? Just curious what number I should be looking for.
devout basalt
35% iirc
drowsy narwhal
You have to deselect the un upgraded versions
okay, will get the back piece, thank you
sharp gale
When the doomer prot channel
sharp gale
🐻
cerulean tusk
I am sure they will do something smart to make sure it doesn't feel bad
cerulean tusk
I played TWW S1 Fury
sharp gale
Happydruid is 620 I think
chilly brook
My dh is 616
sharp gale
I played BFA s1
1 year 6 month+ for essence account wide
chilly brook
How are your chars not 636? Crafted all slots?
Bro I’ve geared 3 toons to 630+ already