you're going to have less survival in general
#protection
chilly brook
chilly brook
Like there were some changes to some defensive options
but that's ignoring the rest of how rage generation/spending interacts with the kit
less shield slams is kekw
pallid quiver
Yeah, for me, my entire focus is on their reasoning for doing things
sharp gale
APMs
pallid quiver
What they're doing is just an absolute failure at what they set out to do
stone canyon
I am forever loyal to colossus but I cant help but feel they did this with only mountain thane in mind.
hardy snow
I am forever loyal to colossus but I cant help but feel they did this with only ...
less avatars also hits thane
stone canyon
I know that. but colossus already isnt exactly swimming in rage.
pallid quiver
less avatars also hits thane
I wager he means about the rage overflow issue
stone canyon
^
hardy snow
oh yea, starving will have even less food now
stone canyon
they want to fix rage overflow but colossus is rarely having that.
pallid quiver
Since Colo isn't generating rage in the way they describe
sharp gale
Yeah because colossus doesn’t really care that much of avatar anyway
stone canyon
true but rage starvation means less revenges too
and of course less rage to block so your skull doesnt get caved.
sharp gale
Colossus just maybe takes a really heavy collateral hit with thane in mind rage tunings
warm plinth
Block uptime should not be affected by this at all, since that was already your priority spender
pallid quiver
^^^
sharp gale
Colossus survives on outburst rage gain
sharp gale
Idk if the 30% ip buff is the fix of colossus hating to press ip
warm plinth
Which they accounted for (whether or not it's enough) somewhat by the per cast buff
It's not to fix hating to press IP
Less rage to cast IP means they need to buff how much you get out of a cast of IP
versed snow
Time to switch to BRM, no changes listed, must be the perfect spec
sharp gale
Time to switch to BRM, no changes listed, must be the perfect spec
You don’t want to be a brewmaster ever
chilly brook
Which they accounted for (whether or not it's enough) somewhat by the per cast b...
They half assed accounted for
warm plinth
Something tells me they have drastic changes planned for BrM
mortal pecan
Is that the real stat?
chilly brook
Like very little actual accounting for
chilly brook
The only thing they did was lower the CD of Shield Wall and increase IP's net absorb by 30%
That doesn't account for the lower amount of DR from losing shout casts
or the loss of damage smoothing from spending rage
Or the loss of damage from less shield slams and less avatars
sharp gale
Is that the real stat?
Blue score Rio is top 30%
warm plinth
Why would we have less shout casts?
remote tusk
I hope its still subject to change, since I'm not fond of the notes. We're already fishing for procs at times. Pretty sure they buffed it from 20% to 30% not too long ago as well.
chilly brook
Why would we have less shout casts?
less avatars means less TC/TB overall
sharp gale
^
warm plinth
And the reduction in number of SS is really not that bad. It's only affecting the off-gcd reset, not the other resets.
sharp gale
We work on snowball effect of rage dumps
Maybe it is the colossus patch
I thought it would came from tier set
warm plinth
We also regain damage and rage via the tier set, which will mitigate the feel of the slowdown
pallid quiver
Living off the power of a tier set is never good, but I still stand that I don't really care about the changes in a vacuum; it's with the reasoning they provided that I'm irked
chilly brook
And the reduction in number of SS is really not that bad. It's only affecting t...
No?
pallid quiver
I'm still really butt mad about their reasoning for the Colossus changes
chilly brook
It applies to Strategist
warm plinth
Yeah i missed strategist
stone canyon
I weep for the the colossus change.
chilly brook
If they actually did something to somewhat rework the spec and the interactions I'd actually not be so belligerent
But they didn't
mighty valley
I’ve seen you here for idk, five years? I think belligerent is your default
And that’s beautiful
sharp gale
Wtf is that
warm plinth
No shot you'd be happier if they changed the gameplay vs slowing it down
pallid quiver
Depending on what they did, I would be
mighty valley
“changed the gameplay” is pretty broad lol
pallid quiver
I want more meaningful interaction with the class
mighty valley
Changed it to be bad? Well now I’m upset. But changed it to be good…? Now we’re cooking
pallid quiver
I don't want them telling me they did that when they just did numbers tuning
sharp gale
I want a new spell with an amazing animation / effects, demolish is not there
pallid quiver
I've played Prot War for so long that they could make the class play like turbo ass and I'd probably still play it. I just want them to understand what they're doing, and I'm not confident they did that based on their reasoning
torn gulch
god i hope aug is dead
sharp gale
ide take all of this if i could cast demolish while moving
What a dog looking spell that animation locks you, make it explodes my screen if I can’t move blizz
chilly brook
No shot you'd be happier if they changed the gameplay vs slowing it down
That entirely depends
stone canyon
What a dog looking spell that animation locks you, make it explodes my screen if...
the main agony of it is doing a massive pull and mobs have to do their little shuffle so they dont stack on eachother and 3-4 just shuffle behind you and cause a miss.
chilly brook
god i hope aug is dead
5% damage buff, compared to current logs
just doesn't buff tanks or healers
I mean this is actually a healthy change
torn gulch
i'm just tired of augs being more or less mandatory at a certain level
sharp gale
Aug dead is a healthy change
chilly brook
i'm just tired of augs being more or less mandatory at a certain level
It won't be
Or shouldn't be
hardy snow
I've played Prot War for so long that they could make the class play like turbo ...
its obvious they didnt, they said "We’re taking a pass at reducing Protection’s overall Rage generation to make decisions on when and how to spend it more meaningful, without reducing Protection Warriors’ ability to tank effectively." while they dont change decision making for rage and less tanky prot is less effective in tanking
torn gulch
i have no problem with aug if it was accompanied by another 3-4 support specs
but by itself is garbage
chilly brook
Well this change moves it more solidly to an actual dps class
mighty valley
i don’t really think having four mandatory roles would be good for the game
chilly brook
as opposed to this weird hybrid
chilly brook
i don’t really think having four mandatory roles would be good for the game
I have no problem with adding a real support role as long as they rework parties and content for it
mighty valley
well, sure, there’s an entire game overhaul that could theoretically support it
hardy snow
i don’t really think having four mandatory roles would be good for the game
but you already have, just one role have only one spec to choose from 🤷♂️
mighty valley
yeah, I’m saying that the current situation isn’t great but the direction to take isn’t to make more augs
but to try and make Aug function closer to just a dps
torn gulch
Specialization (1)
Protection Warrior
Effect #4 Apply Aura: Mod Threat:
Value: 650(current)/815(new)
getting some more threat here?
mighty valley
wouldn’t say no to a global threat buff
pallid quiver
yeah, I’m saying that the current situation isn’t great but the direction to tak...
We need 6 mandatory roles for our 5 people parties
I want to see the WoW community seethe
hardy snow
Specialization (1)
Protection Warrior
Effect #4 Apply Aura: Mod T...
they nerf our dmg, so they have to compensate it somehow so we dont loose agro 
sharp gale
I quit the game if I have to say wait that I build aggro on retail wow
torn gulch
they're removing quite a lot of talents
winter hemlock
????
mighty valley
don’t panic over the datamining printouts lmao
pallid quiver
They're changing the talent tree and making progress to avatar depending on spec or something
hardy snow
????
these "datamined" shit is non-important, its just wowhead being wowhead, generating clickbait article
torn gulch
<a:warrior:761040892970139649>
i'm joking btw
pallid quiver
So the avatar that currently exists will be replaced
By avatar
mighty valley
they’re just rerouting some talents and sometimes that gets interpreted as talents being deleted and remade by the parser
sharp gale
Yeah, push new version deletes the old or smth idk im not a dev
undone beacon
Once again, I suggest that removing ravager (boring, bland, no interaction) and giving us back necro banner (exciting, engaging, unique) in its place would be sweet
sharp olive
I would be more concerned with all the "rage generations nerfs"
finite bolt
i did see tht
old flame
yeah that's a big concern given how our toolkit works
finite bolt
whein this avable for testing?
chilly brook
they’re just rerouting some talents and sometimes that gets interpreted as talen...
I'm still worried about some of the other stuff like CF
mighty valley
zero shot they’re just deleting all of these talents
sharp olive
Yeah ignore the deleted talents. It's more the value changes that have more weight to them
bleak breach
Doesn’t it state just below on that sheet that it got moved if I read correctly?
dapper vapor
So I get they are offsetting rage loss with ignore pain being better per press, but doesnt reducing our rage gen and spend kinda fuck with the flow of resetting cooldowns faster? and lower reset on shield slam also a bit sad
we're already on the bottom end of tank damage so fewer shield slams and avatar casts doesnt feel great to see
quiet monolith
If the meta is kicks it's all kinda whatever because prot pally will still be the only thing desired
sharp olive
I haven't really thought about more gear = more haste = more abilities = more rage
Maybe this is just to off set it
dapper vapor
presumably that stat gain loop is true for most classes though
topaz rivet
I usually lurk and do my own thing, and I'm sure this has been covered and I know we lack any kind of power... and it's all just "considered changes right now" but every time Blizzard even looks in the direction of rage regeneration it puts such a sour taste in my mouth. It has NEVER worked well. It's always made the spec feel like garbage and feel weak. I play Prot warrior to hit lots of buttons. I could choose any of the tanks... i want to play the one that gets to hit lots of buttons.
I can't imagine this actually makes us think about anything, we will still just press IP when the rage bar is high. However, it'll just lower the APM in a way that IMO will feel bad.
I'll go back to my lurking now. thanks for letting me scream into the void.
pallid quiver
So I get they are offsetting rage loss with ignore pain being better per press, ...
Correct; if we assume the reasoning they provided to be lies and they just didn't like our performance, this could be a way to target the uptime and availability of our CDs
pallid quiver
I usually lurk and do my own thing, and I'm sure this has been covered and I kno...
play prot pala; they press a lot of buttons, too, and they generally will get buffed because they have to do so or else a lotta people would riot
paper geyser
topaz rivet
play prot pala; they press a lot of buttons, too, and they generally will get bu...
Sadly, I don't care for it as a flavor, plus my cotank on my raid team has been a prot paladin main since vanilla. So it's somewhat off limits.
But i appreciate the offering of a potential solution.
dapper vapor
Correct; if we assume the reasoning they provided to be lies and they just didn'...
This would seem a weird thing to assume so hopefully the tuning phase will pick up on this, or maybe I'm overestimating its impact
The spec may feel a bit slower, but that might not be the worst thing in the world, it'll be different but that's not necessarily bad
pallid quiver
If we assume their reasoning isn't lies, they just completely fucked up
One assumes they have competence and understanding of the spec
the other is proof they can't be assed to care
Honestly, I'd prefer their reasoning to just be lies at this point
topaz rivet
One assumes they have competence and understanding of the spec
Haha, at this point I never assume this. I remain convinced they only play Paladins over at blizzard
sharp olive
We are pressing ignore pain less now.
Maybe this is just to off set that
Or blizzard just going to revert the changes later and this is all meaningless
lusty grotto
grizzled nova
Tf are these changes
"we noticed people having fun with a high apm spec, we're just arbitrarily slowing it down to make it 'meaningful.'"
Cool, thanks.
cyan bronze
New trinkets released on wowhead
Did anyone spot a cheat
Negative I believe
Some neat ones I saw
Mud trinket seems cool, has cdr
The 75% hp threshold one is neat, either some amount (maybe undertuned didn’t look at value at 636) of shielding on 30’sec cd
Or haste proc
And then bomb suit is nice for dmg+defense I imagine
novel temple
Bruh, this shit is ass
Like the only reason I did colossus was to go with colossus/execute build
novel temple
Now the idea I wanted to try is sort of dead
timid pollen
cyan bronze
Is the new tree badge
hardy snow
Is the new tree badge
yes
hardy snow
its not terrible, its just slightly worse then it was
remote tusk
W/w
cyan bronze
Yeah it’s kinda mid aaa
pallid quiver
For M+, we're practically changing a point in cruel strikes for 1% damage it looks like
novel temple
Will luck of the draw work with immovable object and the thane capstone talent
pallid quiver
Probably not, but we have no idea until it's out
knotty idol
Feel like even tho we'll be pressing ignore pain less we'll still have less rage overall for everything else
I don't wanna have to press slam Blizzard pls
violet ginkgo
"we noticed people having fun with a high apm spec, we're just arbitrarily slowi...
Dafuq is blizz talking about lul. I mean prot and fury is all about speed/haste, no speed = no fun.
primal iris
they removed thunder clap
its over
final gust
sweet summit
I have a lot of very mean things to say
violet ginkgo
I have a lot of very mean things to say
Say it plz.. all of them
sweet summit
I will not...
novel temple
New trinkets released on wowhead
Where is this?
oak ivy
Yipppeeee
true cliff
Howdy fellow prot warriors what’s the consensus on the upcoming changes?
pallid quiver
Howdy fellow prot warriors what’s the consensus on the upcoming changes?
Everyone hates it, but no one has really put forth effort into putting concrete numbers onto things
proud plank
bear changes look like shit….. bdk omegalul…..is brew even a tank spec anymore? prot war just got nerfed because fuck you i guess, oh and prot pal “nerfs”
proud plank
Everyone hates it, but no one has really put forth effort into putting concrete ...
no point in putting numbers to it
they removed the aspect of prot warrior that made it unique
the high apm due to insane rage gen
now ur just
a worse prot pal
every tank is a worse prot pal.
no uniqueness. no reason to play any other tank than prot pal.
and prot pal fucking sucks to play it is a horrid excuse for a tank
true cliff
Okay, when I was looking it over briefly it looked bad. I was pretty bummed, warrior has been so fun to play.
pallid quiver
The spec's going to go slower and you'll do less damage. The spec will still play the same.
proud plank
i saw this happening tbh after the aoe stop changes and the prot pally buffs i js knew blizz wanted to push the prot pal agenda
ridiculous to me how they think this is a good idea
sweet summit
vote with your wallets
sweet summit
ggykw
proud plank
idk why they’re nerfing tanks that is the last thing they should be doing
theyre nerfing the wrong tanks, if anything
the only tank to get a buff during s1 is prot pally meanwhile everyone else gets nerfs
how is that balance
that’s straight up agenda pushing
class balance should never be kicking down specs already at the bottom to create a wider gap….. but i guess blizz made a lot of money from all the prot pal rerollers
oak ivy
Everyone hates it, but no one has really put forth effort into putting concrete ...
~20-25% rage gen nerf based on napkin excel math
oak ivy
Bear in mind I forgot to factor in free revenge casts and SS resets from Strat/Devastator
numbers are based on a random log i pulled from a key I did
true cliff
What’s the thoughts on the new tier set bonus?
sweet summit
2set is flawed and 4set depends on 2set uptime
oak ivy
Random proc defensives have never been fun or useful
proud plank
oh and don’t forget that prot pal gets the most overtly broken one
true cliff
I was feeling the same way
proud plank
fuck this game
sweet summit
again, better than nothing but man that is not a standard i would like to continue with
proud plank
blizz needs to hire class designers that actually know how to play a mmo
or atleast have common sense
how is a random def cd proc going to be good at all
lmfao
oak ivy
can somebody link me a list of these tier sets
sweet summit
wowhead has a post
oak ivy
aite ty
proud plank
oak ivy
goated
spiral jetty
funny enough the naxx tier set bonuses on sod ptr are also very uninspired and similar between the roles
proud plank
the concept of role key words
is fine
all the other role’s keywords r fine
blizz just doesn’t understand tanking
it’s so clear that there is bias in the balance team too
and that’s not okay in any way shape or form
enthusiasm for a spec u play is wildly different than the bias between prot pal and every other tank
it is fucking disgusting
sweet summit
you should start charging ppal rent i think
proud plank
i don’t have an issue with prot pal in particular
i have an issue with buffing one spec to the point it is the only playable thing at a certain point
which then ruins community perception because somehow the ppl who play this game r dumber than the ppl who make it
i wasn’t ok with VDH being the only thing in existence bc of its msss utility
this is not okay
it’s objectively better than every other tank
for no reason other than tuning
because blizz keeps nerfing the under performers
quaint sinew
Whats the general consensus on the new talents?
sweet summit
this is not okay
turbo top end will always be skewed like that
turbo top end players will reroll for .6% increased odds of timing
proud plank
yeah no
should not be a
3 key difference
between tanks
that’s not balance
1 key difference between the top tank and others, maybe
besides the screwed balancing there’s community perception
i rerolled off bear to surv and i got faster invites
because ppl think you need a prot pal to do keys now
i was getting declined for keys i already timed
unironically there has to be one of 2 things happening
prot paladins are an overwhelming majority of the blizz dev team
prot paladins spend more money than any other tank population
sweet summit
unironically there has to be one of 2 things happening
prot paladins are an ove...
i'm sorry to burst your divine protection but that's most likely not true 
oak ivy
proud plank
i'm sorry to burst your divine protection but that's most likely not true <:okay...
even in vdh meta prot pal was close 2nd
u cannot tell me the aoe stops changes weren’t a direct buff to prot pal either
kicks become more important than ever….. and who has the most kicks
solid sun
It sounds like you think all the tanks should be doing the same level of keys at the top end
Has that ever happened everr
proud plank
no clue but that is the definition of balance
just because it’s never happened doesn’t mean it shouldn’t
solid sun
I don't see anything wrong with a tank being 2 or 3 keys behind whatever the best is
solid sun
I do
proud plank
try on a prot pal
solid sun
I play tank and get invited
solid sun
Yeah in every single ranked pve or pvp game that happens
I still get invited because I play tank
jagged gust
It sounds like you think all the tanks should be doing the same level of keys at...
pretty consistently innit
proud plank
but idk do we rlly think blizz knows what they’re doing
i for sure don’t
they nerfed tanks because of 4 dps comps during ptr
that was clearly the reason 4 other dps could stay alive. the tank.
jovial mesa
Are they even playing their own game ? 
proud plank
no but their QA team is
they’re too busy harassing women to actually do anything good for the game
dw we’re gonna get a $130 free potions +free feast toy soon
jagged gust
ngl that'd probably save me money in the long run
jagged gust
I'd say I burn through ~2-3 tokens worth of gold per season
Pots are my biggest expenditure, and feast is a few thousand gold itself which covers all my m+ and raid nights
I'd be guesstimating something like 1-2xpacs before I see a return
violet ginkgo
I’ll just MH Wilds, so I won’t feel the downhill of protwar.
jagged gust
dont worry, there's always next xpac
violet ginkgo
But the thing I don’t understand with blizz is… they know PoE2 and MHWilds are around on the corner.
Why they really need to make these bad changes? It felt like they help promote the other game since it will drive player away from WoW
indigo yoke
Returned to wow after a 7 year break thinking I’d poke around the story and maybe some pvp… fell in love with tanking. Been pugging my way through m+ and broke into 2500 tonight … this is after telling myself a few weeks ago I’d be lucky to even sniff 2k. Feeling proud and thankful for all the tips I’ve gotten from here, thanks everyone!
jovial mesa
Congratz ma dude
indigo yoke
Thanks lol. Aiming to get all 10s and see if I can push to 3k before the season ends but not holding my breath lol
jagged gust
looking better than mine already
I still refuse to run COT/Arakara tho tbh
Think my highest timed is a 4 lmao
indigo yoke
I still refuse to run COT/Arakara tho tbh
CoT is there at the end waiting for me menacingly to push it to 10… hate it there
Arakara is weird because I’ve gotten to final boss with like 15 minutes left… and we don’t time it 🤣
jagged gust
Arakara is weird because I’ve gotten to final boss with like 15 minutes left… an...
yep, got real tired of that after the first few weeks of the season lmao
urban bane
indigo yoke
Yeah it’s brutal. That’s the next one I’ll be working on though so gotta suck it up
violet ginkgo
Arakara is weird because I’ve gotten to final boss with like 15 minutes left… an...
The design that you have to get your own pool is weird 100% just make a big pool and everyone got on it.
indigo yoke
The design that you have to get your own pool is weird 100% just make a big pool...
Yea plus it could be that I’m just bad but sometimes I’ll HLeap directly on one of those mobs and it creates the pool but it won’t hold me
jagged gust
way safer to just do the leaptech imo
indigo yoke
So I panic pop every defensive only to be yeeted out of bounds lmao
violet ginkgo
Happens to us a lot revaks, everything from start went smooth, getting to last boss with 13 mins+ timers then suddenly bam too many wipes.
indigo yoke
Happens to us a lot revaks, everything from start went smooth, getting to last b...
Yep. Poison waves and pool failures. Deadly combo lol
violet ginkgo
way safer to just do the leaptech imo
Not about us will, what about those class who doesn’t got leap and so on. The fight design in general.
indigo yoke
I’d love to see some kind of stat sheet of how many bosses cause timers to expire. Willing to bet Arakara’s final boss leads the pack by a large margin
jagged gust
I'd say a surprising amount of specs have the ability to negate the pull, but yeah the fight overall is horribly hectic
violet ginkgo
I mean technically sure warrior and DK can “cheat” the mech but surely they don’t design the fight around war and dk
jagged gust
hunter/rogue/monk/lock, not sure about mage, curious if druid can skull bash out of it
violet ginkgo
Oh right the interrupt after the mech is done is annoying little things too.
I am curious what will happen to community on next season darkflame cleft.
Holy shiet the cart RP and last boss not gonna be fun
jagged gust
what's the big worry about cleft again?
Other than RP, that should probably find a way to be normalized
violet ginkgo
I heard from ppl said during cart RP dps need to grab candle but who knows there is monster in the dark and if enough high key it can 1-2 shot.
And last boss will be chaotic enough where you have to keep candle safe and keep lighting.
I think in the dark you can’t heal and damage right? If light goes off for like 3-4 secs, there might be things that can go wrong and wipe.
jagged gust
I can't say I ran it too often in preseason, but I only had one run in memory where we let the candle burn out
I'mma have to go solo the dungeon again to get a feel for it
sharp gale
I think they will increase the radius of the candle who burned out
jagged gust
The kobold boss on the other hand can probably go eat a dick
violet ginkgo
Thing is in preseason everything might be “fine” since only on heroic basically but in M+ there will be some mech added and oh boi… that can cause chaos.
Oh kobold boss I also never understand what is the deal with the waxstatue
worldly rain
quaint sinew
i dont like the talent changes
ionic fern
violet ginkgo
Why the sus mwahi
crimson cape
ring
onyx pike
Blizz f*cking us good today huh
jagged gust
It's like Marilyn Monroe said: If you can't play S2 prot war, you don't deserve S1.
marble sun
dont get why they nerf us like this, where not that op honestly
sharp gale
APM concerns for casual players I think
sweet summit
I think the intent is to change the fast pace but keep power level similar but I don't like it
sharp gale
Only reason I see if they say they don’t like iP dump rage
jagged gust
Yeah, 100+ apm during peaks is kinda wild for a casual player
hopefully they revert some of the indom nerfs to balance the change out
sharp gale
I don’t really care that much, I like how s1 is, but every good periods have their time, I just hope they will buff dmg
marble sun
right now we lose dmg
sharp gale
right now we lose dmg
And survivability
jagged gust
and endorphins
ionic fern
APM concerns for casual players I think
That's garbage excuse. People can still sufficiently play the class with lower APM (even talent for it). This just hinders people actually trying to express skill.
sharp gale
That's garbage excuse. People can still sufficiently play the class with lower A...
Im not saying it’s a good excuse, I’m just guessing why they do it
I usually start with the easiest cause of something before going into more elaborate ones
sharp gale
Yes give it back, but I know blizz is a company, they focus on profits, casual players is 80% of that
limber temple
They could have atleast of giving us bloodlust to compensate for this bullshit
marble sun
casual cant have fun with less rage too, you lose defensive and possibility of vengeance at same time
its a lose lose
sharp gale
Casual players don’t hit a button every gcd
They don’t have half our spells keybinded
limber temple
They use slam.
sharp gale
They whirlwind
marble sun
and they dont seems to do the same content
sharp gale
The first bar of spell keybind is 1-2-3 to 9-0
marble sun
casual go mining and sometime agro a wolf
they feel bad cuz they have to press a buton
shiiieet
sharp gale
casual go mining and sometime agro a wolf
They die from the ore that drops mines
sharp gale
and they dont seems to do the same content
Some do few m+ but the « some » of the total number of casual players is more than total advanced players combined
limber temple
Tanks console ready now?
sharp gale
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-1/eu
just look the blue and green scores%
I treat blueish score as the average of m+ player, but I know they are god players compared to all wow players
tardy abyss
I guess colossus becomes more playable with these changes
jagged gust
Colo was always playable, but I think it's the other way around, thane just has more SS procs outright to benefit from
jagged gust
Well 90% of the playerbase would disagree, but randomly proccing 4 seconds of SW isn't changing anything
tardy abyss
Im not talking about the set?
tardy abyss
Im not sure which tank got the best 4p bonus though
ppal doesnt sound bad
And ours sounds good too
jagged gust
Im not talking about the set?
the nerfs then? I'd say the bloodsurge nerf alone makes colo immensely weaker
they will have absolutely juicy IPs tho
tardy abyss
The juicy IPs help a lot
violet ginkgo
ppal doesnt sound bad
I almost read this as paypal 😄
tardy abyss
Im afraid it will be another season of ppal
They can extend the damage buff just by playing their rotation
While doing an insane amount of damage
sharp gale
And ours sounds good too
Idk compared to 3 target death strikes, meta procs and ppal one
sharp gale
Blood mastery
tardy abyss
Meh
sharp gale
They gain a shield if I remember their mastery idk if it’s strong tho
tardy abyss
VDH is forced into The Hunt (which it doesnt take rn I believe)
And is also just ST afaik
Isnt the shield from death strike overhealing tho
I dont think they heal extra for each target hit
violet ginkgo
Yeah the heal is from the damage received stored within the last X secs right?
sharp gale
Brew has the worst tier set
Forty procc and 2 blackout buffed
Set working on dmg taken, they dodge but stagger so idk
jagged gust
At least they're consistent with their treatment of monks
obsidian girder
Would be awesome if they replace random shield wall with avatar
sharp gale
Yeah for sure current random avatar procs feels great
jagged gust
We just need more random procs
100% avatar uptime, make us the melee gods we already were in our hearts
jagged gust
It winds up being like 5-10% total uptime, now imagine if we had 5 different sources
sharp gale
Just to replace the avatar uptime they took
obsidian girder
100% avatar uptime, make us the melee gods we already were in our hearts
With no CD on storm bolts
AOE stormbolts
sharp gale
You don’t want AoE stormbolts in general
Or you mean uncapped target AoE stormbolts
another shockwave basically ?
zealous narwhal
How much of a nerf did we get in upcoming 11.1 with rage regen being lowerd ? Will it be that impactfull ?
zealous narwhal
Ah so basically the + %30 to ip will actually be an improvement despite the rage regen nerf ?
jagged pier
Gameplay will be ruined
Cs basically dead because of the change
The shield block interaction was mostly why we played it
Just make gameplay worse and us less tanky with a garbage tier set
zealous narwhal
U talking about Colosus Jakey?
jagged pier
Both
zealous narwhal
Ah
zealous narwhal
Thing is and what i fear about this change is that our rotation will loose it's flow
Being rage starved sucks
wicked pollen
xd
zealous narwhal
Gg blizz
sharp gale
Less avatar = less prot warriors
wicked pollen
good
round pendant
wait what exactly did they do lol
sharp gale
Oh i thought you played warrior in raid
wicked pollen
not prot
round pendant
oh for fucks sake
wicked pollen
?
round pendant
so sad
wicked pollen
how
sharp gale
how
Nerf to rage gains, snowball effect on dmg and surv
But compensate with IP buff but no dmg buff
jagged pier
Heres all the rage u like gone. Extra ss procs reduced so even less rage
Now try and live
round pendant
Aka remove all the fun shit to make IP slightly better
tardy abyss
See you in the ppal discord next season 👍
round pendant
It's like Blizzard also think PWars #1 defensive ability should be IP
like all the new players
lmao
round pendant
I personally don't really like the constant threat of rage capping (and mashing IP)
so reducing rage gen (or just APM in general) is a welcome change to me
but this ain't it
this just removes all the fun parts too
sharp gale
I personally don't really like the constant threat of rage capping (and mashing ...
It’s not rage capping the reason
wicked pollen
what is tw
sharp gale
what is tw
Twilight Devastation 100%
wicked pollen
idk what that does
sharp gale
I know it would be td but I want to make me remember it existed once upon a time
round pendant
Guess I'm playing fury next season
ionic nimbus
My Rogue-alt will be ready for season 2
sweet summit
what is tw
thunderous words
blazing zinc
Hello, did anyone else start randomly having weird auto-accept issues in m+ LFG? I think it started from reset iirc and very often when I'm creating a group and someone signs up, it automatically accepts them. Similarly, sometimes when I apply to a group, I get instantly in and they're confused how that happened too... Does anyone know if this is just an LFG bug or if some addon change might be causing it?
jagged gust
have you tried disabling all addons and recreating the problem?
blazing zinc
the weird part is that it only happens sometimes, it doesn't always accept everyone who signs up
waxen cradle
Yeah those changes had better not go live as they are or I forsee a lot of people swapping off of Prot Warriors as we will feel and play like trash compared to how we do now
It literally reads like TWW's nerf to push people away from playing Prot Warrior
crude flame
People will move to pala prot if it still is fotm
But I've got faith they won't just make our gameplay loop worse, they have time to adjust
tardy abyss
People will move to pala prot if it still is fotm
Likely will stay fotm
Based on tier set
sweet summit
But I've got faith they won't just make our gameplay loop worse, they have time ...
you must be new 
waxen cradle
@crude flame They almost certainly will make our gameplay/feedback loop worse as this has already happened before. I hate to tell you that your faith in them is misplaced. It is far more likely they don't like how we currently play, and the casuals view our playstyle so they are changing it based on that alone which will literally destroy the spec compared to how it is now for those of us who have more than 2 brain cells and can play it well.
jagged pier
wait we need 2 brain cells to play this class?
tardy abyss
ye
jagged pier
its definatly a 1 brain cell spec
tardy abyss
Have you ever seen random pug pwars
jagged pier
well they have 0
tardy abyss
...fair
sweet summit
Have you ever seen random pug pwars
why would you play with pug tanks...
jagged pier
u needed 2 in SLs
waxen cradle
Well the average pug prot warrior would complain about capping or overcapping rage and I am quite sure that is who the devs listen to
tardy abyss
^
The average pug warrior will not be able to survive anything with the coming changes
I mean, even less than now
waxen cradle
I am not afraid of being proven wrong so if you think you can get a logical answer from the devs feel free to go ask them. I for one am not fooled by the reasoning they used in there blue post
sharp gale
Hello, did anyone else start randomly having weird auto-accept issues in m+ LFG?...
I don’t know maybe they added the toggle of auto accepts like when you do world bosses
Open the edit and see if îts there
jagged pier
it pretty obvious the tank devs at least just dont play the specs at all Dr
sweet summit
I thought it was a single dude who do 3-4 classes
hope he finds love soon 🙏
raw parcel
Just saw the patch notes. RIP Prot Warrior. Was a good run, boys.
sharp gale
hope he finds love soon 🙏
It’s at least how I would do it, assigned 1 guy for almost all class tuning because it doesn’t take that much time for 1 spec
crude flame
Based on tier set
what does pally tier set?
tardy abyss
what does pally tier set?
They extend their damage buff by playing the rotation, up to 10 seconds, and get 1-3 holy power back when spending during the buff
With damage buff I mean tier set buff from 2p
waxen cradle
I have even went back and read there blue post multiple times and each time I do it becomes a more ignorant and foolish post. At the top before they go into each spec it states Warriors lack significant levels of survivability and that's just wrong, and then they say having a abundance of rage creates rotational defensive choice making a issue. So they are saying that we are having issues surviving now and the solution is to take away a ton of rage which will result in us being able to use IP less, but in turn they intend to make IP more valuable per cast so we want to use it more often but now we can't because we don't have the rage ?!!!!! WAIT WHAT!!!
waxen cradle
lmao no kidding huh
sharp gale
I have even went back and read there blue post multiple times and each time I do...
It is true that I didn’t understand the lack of surv I feel like if I’m dead in raid it’s after everyone else is (as fury)
sharp gale
On queen people getting os by web blades, I got surprised that os someone
blazing zinc
this is my first m+ season tanking, currently 3100 and enjoying prot warrior :/ do prot warriors always only get good Season 1 and then fall?
steel mist
yo @jagged pier , is the gamba set good ?
jagged pier
no
sharp gale
we have a lack of sruv because majoirty of ppl dont play the spec correctly
Staying enraged gives 10% dr you survive most things with that and spell reflect
steel mist
feels like im playing dice with my life with that tier set
sharp gale
If it has a sort of auto on pull proc it can be nice but it’s shit to rely on gamba def, so just never rely on that
waxen cradle
Yeah the ignorant part is there answer to making us stronger is to buff each use of IP, but nerf our opportunities to use it by nerfing our rage gen significantly which will in fact make us weaker as well as the effect it will have on our damage which is a fact they "conveniently" are not bringing up
sharp gale
its great unless theres pulsing aoe damage u get no benefit if u arent tanking
Have you heard of intervene the active tank becoming rotation ?
You steal active tank tier set for yourself
steel mist
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
daring vine
does weapon ilvl matter as much as people say even for a tank? My 626 weapons have good stats but my 626 legs doesn't have ideal stats. Is crafting a 636 leg a big difference comapred to a 636 weapon?
jagged pier
yes
solar spear
i realise this question has been asked before but i cant find a direct answer for searching, whats the difference like between shattered sorrow and crafted (i crafted anyway for the gilded achievement)
jagged gust
wdym? One has a proc and the other doesn't
orchid mural
Wow - pretty floored by the PTR notes.
And prot paladin is untouched -nothing wrong there apparently.
hardy snow
i realise this question has been asked before but i cant find a direct answer fo...
636 is better than 626
rigid edge
The changes are curious to say the least, as Jakey said, I feel who ever is in charge of tank specs don't play the game
sharp gale
I still believe it’s 1 dude who do all tuning
Or maybe a team of 2-3 persons, but they do all classes
They don’t divide work per person per role, they check this class/spec as a team of 2 dudes and then go on next
They call support floor number to know what people think about this spec and do according to that
rigid edge
Probably the case yeah
sharp gale
As said, that’s what I would do personally lol
Max Reduce the cost to manage tuning
I would never pay someone to tune just tanks like, what would they do the rest of the time ?
tardy abyss
Reducing any cost would make all changes obsolete
So might as well revert everything
solar spear
636 is better than 626
thanks 🙂
strong forum
Cba
sweet summit
ist es over fur mich?
strong forum
Prot Warrior Nerfs in 11.1.
It is a significant single-target DPS nerf. Not just a "haha rage gen nerf so you dont use Ignore Pain to prevent overcapping as much"
-Strategist being nerfed from 30% to 20% is a HUGE deal for both rage generation and DPS output.
-Outburst rage generation being halved AGAIN (first it was from 200% to 100% in DF) from 100% to 50% is also a big deal both offensively and defensively.
-Impenetrable Wall losing all its rage gen from 4 down to 0 further cements a big loss in rage generation.
All of which combines to a huge loss in damage output, survivability and fun. We lose Avatar Uptime, we get less Outbursts overall, less IP casts and less Shield Slam casts...
The 30% buff to IP is very good, but we need a compensation dmg buff for this absurd nerf.
TLDR Its bad. 0 change in playstyle or decision making, just slower.
Actually crazy
limber temple
How long did you stare at the notes before you typed "cba"? 😂
strong forum
15seconds
sharp gale
limber temple
I think I've rubbed all the skin off my forehead while I try to understand their thinking.
sweet summit
**__Prot Warrior Nerfs in 11.1.__**
It is a significant single-target DPS nerf. ...
no way!! they buffed IP value per cast 🤯
sharp gale
I think I've rubbed all the skin off my forehead while I try to understand their...
I was happy scrolling through it seeing books long notes on everyone, then I see the usual no brewmaster entry, I started to be worry
vagrant merlin
Hey lads! Is it possible to set up a macro to use spear and ravager in the same button? i know they cant be used at the same time due to GCD, but i've looked everywhere and couldnt find any macros
I was trying to create one but even if i do a castsequence or a normal one, ravager never goes off
Heres what ive tried:
#showtooltip Avatar
/castsequence reset=60 Avatar, Champion's Spear, Ravager
/cast [@player] Champion's Spear
/cast [@player] Ravager
this one uses avatar and spear instantly on my feet, but doesnt matter how much i press the macro again, it kinda stops working and never use ravager
sharp gale
Mmmmh
Because you have the /cast after a cast sequence (you can remove the 2 /cast) basically when you press, it cast the first sequence (avatar) and do the /cast at player spear,
You press again it tries to cast the castsequence spear and fail because spear is on cd
(Don’t use cast sequences is an advice )
A cast sequence requires a cast of the previous listed spell to continue and the reset is the condition to restart at the beginning
vagrant merlin
then what would you suggest? cause this one doesnt work aswell
/cast Avatar
/cast [@player] Champion's Spear
/cast [@player] Ravager
works the same
uses avatar and spear
but ravager never goes off
sharp gale
Nop you can’t do a macro with 2 gcd abilities
It requires a cast sequence to macro 2 gcd abilities
If you absolutely want a 1 button that does avatar, spear and then ravager
#showtooltip
/cast avatar
/castsequence [@player] Champion’s Spear, [@player] Ravager
I write from my phone so maybe add the spells with spell book
I have a forbidden macro
vagrant merlin
the thing is, two habilities like revenge and shield slam have both gcd, but if u make a macro like
/castsequence reset=3 Shield slam, Revenge
This one uses one, then the other on a 3 second reset timer and it works
sharp gale
But it is a troll macro don’t ever try to do that
vagrant merlin
the one you wrote uses avatar and ravager but spear never goes off
sharp gale
the thing is, two habilities like revenge and shield slam have both gcd, but if ...
When I thought about the 1 button macro (was a little challenge), I figured seconds as reset conditions are dog
vagrant merlin
thats the wonky sht that i dont understand, both habilities are affected by gcd, so with a castsequence it should work like with other habilities, but with habilities that u have to "select a place to use it" macros break and the sequence just doesnt work for some reason
sharp gale
the thing is, two habilities like revenge and shield slam have both gcd, but if ...
If you remove the reset, it does shield slam revenge already, it will block if shield slam is on cd or you can’t revenge because rage
(Don’t use cast sequences pls) but I will help you if you want to follow the dark path anyway
vagrant merlin
yeah i dont use castsequences at all, but i thought for spear and ravager it has to be a castsequence since both have gcd
torpid dome
hmm how are you all looking at the prospected prot warrior nerfs to rage generation?
sharp gale
yeah i dont use castsequences at all, but i thought for spear and ravager it has...
I think you don’t need to add a specific reset condition
On what you try to do
vagrant merlin
I think you don’t need to add a specific reset condition
yeah prob since they both have the same cd
sharp gale
It will cast spear then ravager and restart
But what I gave you will use avatar on cd
And you will have to press the macro when avatar comes up
So it will be your simple avatar button too keep that in mind or you add a separate avatar keybind if you want
vagrant merlin
u mean the macro you wrote before?
sharp gale
Yes
vagrant merlin
that one uses avatar and ravager, but not spear
sharp gale
that one uses avatar and ravager, but not spear
Can you send screenshot of what you actually wrote ingame
vagrant merlin
spells are taken from the spellbook
in fact
if i switch spear for ravager and ravager for spear
now the macro uses spear but not ravager
it only uses the one on the last spot of the castsequence
not the first one
sharp gale
Is it a . Or a ,
vagrant merlin
comma
sharp gale
Try without the at players
I have exam mp me I will continue when I’m done
If I have access to the game I could do one and send you
sharp gale
ill keep searching and trying to figure it out
Try with just the first at player and I have to go
obsidian girder
Hey, any feelcraft how the reduced rage gain will impact us ?
obsidian girder
Thought dooming is exclusive for brew
cyan bronze
Or have we accepted being put down like a dog
sharp gale
At least we don’t have that tier set
jagged pier
Or have we accepted being put down like a dog<:deadge:900279927138578432>
Just read what nome said earlier
🙂
cyan bronze
At least we don’t have that tier set
Isn’t this like
Good?
Don’t they like bok cdr and damage amps
cyan bronze
Just read what nome said earlier
Joever
raw shadow
The situation of prow is already quite bad now. Why prow get big nerf in next season
tardy abyss
Current situation is not bad
urban bane
ya but blizzard just took a giant shit on christmas dinner and said "happy holidays"
raw shadow
People only wants the pink tank and pink tank still got a little buff in next season
tardy abyss
That's not a warrior issue
raw shadow
Less rage gen will cause vicious chain reaction for prow. Less rage spent—>Less avatar and shield wall, less spare rage for revenge. Less avatar—>Less thunder blast—>Less rage gen.
limber temple
**__Prot Warrior Nerfs in 11.1.__**
It is a significant single-target DPS nerf. ...
Can we just pin this? 😂
sharp gale
Less rage gen will cause vicious chain reaction for prow. Less rage spent—>Less ...
You forgot less avatar is less tc is less thunderlord is less demo shouts
ionic nimbus
Conclusion: less warrior..
limber temple
But the question is, with these nerfs, will it encourage more people to queue as a tank to solve the issue of lack of them?
ionic nimbus
But the question is, with these nerfs, will it encourage more people to queue as...
The answer will always be no
sharp gale
Multiple causes of lack of tanks so
kind urchin
This is one of the most massive nerfs I can recall. This is horrible.
ionic nimbus
Tankproblem is not connected to warrior tank
sharp gale
It is connected but there is so many causes for lack of tanks
People who would tank if prot warrior was right to them is connected to tank problem
strong forum
its a nerf in every direction
limber temple
❤️
strong forum
survivability, dmg output, fun
literally a hattrick
also this will make double SW default talent
cuz lmao its 2min CD then
and theres no more 26.67% rage gen on SS to miss out on
sharp gale
The haste we will have in s2 will fix it
wooden widget
sharp gale
Kidding ofc it will not
strong forum
we will just have more of everything else
cuz we reach high haste more easily (unless theres no big haste ring/neck)
sharp gale
I already hate crit haste ring is among the 4 theater of pain rings
fluid widget
and theres no more 26.67% rage gen on SS to miss out on
What is this sorry?
sharp gale
I never looted gb crit mastery ring for fury, there is 2 or 3 ones
strong forum
impenetrable wall
currently increases shield slams rage gen by 26.67%
this is gone in 11.1
(even tho in 11.0 they buffed this talent btw 🙂 from 20 to 26.67%)
urban bane
sharp gale
Does the IP buff even increase max IP amount ?
strong forum
no
sharp gale
elfin ginkgo
Should i reroll prot pala?
kind urchin
Just the per cast amount
urban bane
any time the question is "does the ip buff even" prob a safe bet to say no
cyan bronze
omigash! this means colossus so good omigash(im being sarcastic)
strong forum
it is actually an indirect buff to colossus
cyan bronze
Think about how big that 1 ip per minute will be
kind urchin
That sweet sweet 1% more from weapon spec is sure gonna do wonders for all the other massive nerfs amirite.
cyan bronze
it is actually an indirect buff to colossus
well
comparatively
it’s still a nerf, no?
sharp gale
They state in reasons they hate IP dumps rage, increase IP gains per use, but no Ip max gains
strong forum
absolutely a nerf
fluid widget
this is gone in 11.1
Oh that’s depressing
fluid widget
I thought it was becoming baseline
strong forum
now that execute is nerfed for colossus
sharp gale
There is a world we still dump waste in IP after that….
fluid widget
Not removed
kind urchin
Colossus will be damn near unplayable with the severe lack of rage.
cyan bronze
Colossus is pretty biggerton in 11.1 m+ i think(if you want to play the best hero talent on the worst tank)
cyan bronze
Yes
strong forum
cyan bronze
Vdh
strong forum
no
cyan bronze
Bear
urban bane
WHo giees a shite
strong forum
idk i dont care for other tanks
sharp gale
I think vdh are happy
fluid widget
I’ll still be playing a warrior was just curious
cyan bronze
Ppal still meta since they can tank and cast sac and spell wars
fluid widget
Don’t get bouncing around classes each phase, too much work
cyan bronze
But whatever
sharp gale
Yeah I will still play prot because I’m dumb I love brown tank
cyan bronze
LOL
chrome falcon
blizzard?
cyan bronze
my sweet summer child
kind urchin
If warrior is terrible I'll just play PoE2 until they fix it and save some sub money.
strong forum
pwar nerfed to the floor
limber temple
am i reading these PTR notes wrong
Check the pins 😂
chrome falcon
did i miss something? was our class insanely giga op or something
i haven't kept up with m+ meta or anything
strong forum
its fine all they have to do is buff our dmg by 20% then maybe we are fine
sharp gale
did i miss something? was our class insanely giga op or something
I think blizz read feedback on a Facebook group
cyan bronze
did i miss something? was our class insanely giga op or something
It was second best ish
chrome falcon
and they're removing execute from colossus? for no reason?
obsidian girder
i feel some trolling here
sharp gale
I picture you saying this big with your hands stretched
chrome falcon
cyan bronze
I legit checked the date when i read the warrior patchnotes
chrome falcon
bruh
cyan bronze
Wasn’t April
chrome falcon
just don't even post this
strong forum
yeah like
chrome falcon
you can make this change if you want but don't tell me
urban bane
it just is so typical of blizzard to even state a goal and miss the mark so hard that it is like they just spun around and fired a gun
strong forum
these nerfs are big
strong forum
we will need some serious buffs
obsidian girder
DPS DK now better tank ?
chrome falcon
didn't we get hotfixed buffed like a month ago
cyan bronze
DPS DK now better tank ?
Yes.
sharp gale
we will need some serious buffs
Yeah like threat buff 💪
chrome falcon
i mean
obsidian girder
rerolling brew then
strong forum
yes
chrome falcon
pretty heavily cucked no?
chrome falcon
that tactician nerf is extremely cringe
cyan bronze
Hope you didn’t like ip
strong forum
but its all a combining issue
chrome falcon
dude that's 30% fewer shield slam procs lol
strong forum
yeah its gonna be bad
chrome falcon
the tactician nerf is easily the worst thing on there
urban bane
fluid widget
Bring out yer dead
kind urchin
And the rest of it too
fluid widget
I liked drowning in rage it was fun
sharp gale
On the datamined notes they even added 10 total rage spend for outburst
strong forum
ignore datamines
obsidian girder
any point in switching from orc to belf, drake, zandalari, panda - if i only play m+? cant stand any other races
strong forum
thats some thunderclap shenanigans for arms and fury
belf is most useful out of those
limber temple
Belf!
chrome falcon
i guess the 30 seconds off shield wall compensates for the rage nerfs defensively
obsidian girder
zandalri cringe ?
chrome falcon
but it's going to feel so much worse to play now
limber temple
10% buff on simping too.
chrome falcon
are they nerfing all tanks?
urban bane
30 seconds seems not nearly enough
cyan bronze
are they nerfing all tanks?
LOL no
strong forum
dunno i only looked at warri
chrome falcon
i'm going back to bed
kind urchin
Adding the stam to armored to the teeth is a good change at least.
cyan bronze
ppal got slight buffs
urban bane
cause we're talkin AM and less SS for wall
cyan bronze
bear got a nice buff
chrome falcon
dude 30% fewer shield slam procs
cyan bronze
bdk and brew didn’t get anything
urban bane
Who asked for that????
cyan bronze
Me
chrome falcon
add that to our absolutely dogshit tier set
and it's looking like a VDH kind of tier
sharp gale
I Hope that fucking tier procs every seconds
cyan bronze
and it's looking like a VDH kind of tier
?
chrome falcon
i'm not playing a class without heroic leap
but if blizzard doesn't want me to play warrior, i won't argue with them
kind urchin
Are we even going to be able to press revenge at all without a proc? I'm leaning towards no looking at these changes.
cyan bronze
Oh I thought you meant for m+ meta
chrome falcon
eh
chrome falcon
if their tier set proccing lets them cast demonsurges
they will probably do giga dam
cyan bronze
Aldrachi will prob be better next tier
With the hunt tierset
It’s a lot of uptime on totf
And one of the potentially cap datamined changes for aldrachi is a massive amount of damage
But ya
chrome falcon
man i was having a great day, i did all my chores, i got mcdonalds, i bought some christmas presents
now i just want to go back to bed
cyan bronze
Oh
chrome falcon
christmas is ruined
cyan bronze
And you can’t get ebon might anymore
strong forum
yeeah
violet ginkgo
cuz they also nerfed execute
I still don’t understand about this execute not giving colossal might. Even for arms it’s execute-execute-mortal strike
What did they mean by mostly using execute for execute phase. And for prot we alternate shieldslam and execute because we always be cast shield slam. Their reasoning is sooo bad for nerfing execute not generating colossus might
cyan bronze
Hope that makes it worse
strong forum
I still don’t understand about this execute not giving colossal might. Even for ...
you didnt even play colossus in raid
so
who is this change for
chrome falcon
like
cyan bronze
DPS only
cyan bronze
(Aug will still be overtuned and op you’ll just do less damage)
chrome falcon
and now they don't even want us to press it anymore?
cyan bronze
Now that i think about it
Aug could theoretically cause some threat issues
Surely that’s not why they buffed threat, but interesting
chrome falcon
i mean they're not wrong about some of these changes
strong forum
this is so fucking lmao
cyan bronze
I’m dead.
cyan bronze
Ok but can we not just get taken out back and put down like a rapid dog
chrome falcon
just nerfed shield slam rage gen by 2 or something
nerfing the proc rate is going to just feel ass to play
limber temple
Im in a teams meeting while reading this and I just laughed out loud of that gif reaction
chrome falcon
don't make me actually think about my rotation again blizz
i haven't thought about my rotation since you added devastator
chrome falcon
"encourages constantly dumping of rage into ignore pain"
yeah man
you're 5 years late to the party
we've been doing that shit for like 3 expansions now
sharp gale
They hate IP dump rage : they nerf rage to dump in IP by X % and buff IP per use by X% without more max IP
violet ginkgo
I mean if they want us to not dumping rage to IP give us some damage spender off gcd?
obsidian girder
anyone can tell me if its worth to farm HC for the swarmlord authority ? got skarmorak as a substitute
(playing only m+)
chrome falcon
are you dying?
obsidian girder
not in a 11
chrome falcon
do you feel like you need a defensive trinket?
obsidian girder
need the haste i feel 😄
chrome falcon
it's a decent defensive trinket
chrome falcon
the haste is worse than mainstat
sharp gale
anyone can tell me if its worth to farm HC for the swarmlord authority ? got ska...
It will eat the hps of IP before it is really useful
cyan bronze
chrome falcon
defensive trinkets 
obsidian girder
so if i dont have it, its not worse then skar
cyan bronze
LOL
cyan bronze
I didn’t even see that
chrome falcon
yeah
sharp gale
This thing is potentially also pretty good
On those shield trinkets I feel like they can throw another digit to the amount lol
chrome falcon
this is a very nice quality of life talent
remove the rage generation when stuff dies
cyan bronze
On those shield trinkets I feel like they can throw another digit to the amount ...
What
60 mil shield?
cyan bronze
Oh
Isnt it already getting buffed by 100%
From the “meteor trinket” buff
Or whatever
cyan bronze
It is 2.6 m on your screen, that’s 3 IP every 2 min
it’s not every 2 min
i said
“depends on proc rate” ?
violet ginkgo
need the haste i feel 😄
Then use Transmitter + Sacbrood both are haste trinks
sharp gale
it’s not every 2 min
The pulsing damage is periodic dmg done to yourself ?
high wyvern
sharp gale
Or i read it wrong
final mist
Was threat really a problem
For some tanks in raid, yes, burst damage (from a co-tank) could be an issue.
chrome falcon
Was threat really a problem
i rip from my BDK in raid constantly
cyan bronze
Was threat really a problem
yes, with enhance
cyan bronze
The pulsing damage is periodic dmg done to yourself ?
how I read the trinket was