protection

[wicked pollen]

which part

[ripe urchin]

Hi Guys newbie Prot here (main spec Fury)
noob question : Should i have different tier set gear for each spec?
like Prot with Haste and vers gem
and keeping my Fury gear with Haste and Mastery gem?
or its not worth it?
currently tanking for +6 keys only so far

[wicked pollen]

just wear ilevel

and haste gear

[ripe urchin]

so its not worth invsting in 3rd stat Vers?

[wicked pollen]

i dont understand your question

[vital pollen]

Is Skarmorak Shard vs Sacbrood a no brainer for Sacbrood? Same ilevel.

[warm plinth]

You do not need to try to swap stats around or have multiple gear sets. Mastery is fine for prot and both specs like haste, which we like the best.

[ripe urchin]

@wicked pollen i have haste/mastery gear right from my main Fury spec.
so its not worth to invest second set of gear with Haste/Vers for Prot?

[wicked pollen]

not really

ilvl >>>

correct play will be determine if you live not stats

on my warrior

i have middling haste and barely any crit much less vers

i can still do 12s

[lime tree]

If I am getting a crafted shield which one should I get?

beladar's or everforged?

[wicked pollen]

everfprged

[mortal pecan]

It's just annoying and I ran it too many times lol

[ripe urchin]

yep noted assuming the ilvl are the highest since my Fury Gear is the highest gear atm.
thanks for the response

[sharp gale]

I have so much mastery because I play fury in raid and gear towards it, still 12s are a joke bc I’m 638 ilvl

[jagged gust]

I think I have like 14% crit in my prot set >.>

But it's really not that much work to get rings and possibly a neck to swap out between stats

[rigid yew]

Not worth the hassle and remember ilvl is king.

[obsidian girder]

Morning, any information out yet which gems we want in circle for dungeons ?

[sharp gale]

I would get those two in my bag

[fickle coyote]

Hey guys

Stupid question probably

Can you put the regular gems we put on every ring on this new big ring aswell?

I reckon we can?

[sharp gale]

Like if you can use the magnificent jewelry setting on it ?

[fickle coyote]

Yes that one

[sharp gale]

I guess you can, it’s not something I thought about it since it’s whatever to me

[fickle coyote]

Its worth 300 secondaries so guess week 1 when ring is 639 ilvl it might tip the scale if you got 2 myth track rings

Week 1/2

And some movement speed if you havent gemmed your belt/head/bracers yet 😎

[sharp gale]

I don’t use the speed gem, I meant it’s whatever to me because it’s just a question of either or not I pop my AH mount when I get the ring

[fickle coyote]

Haha, yeah, in the end it will allways be yes or no 🤣 was just curious because I cant find it anywhere

[sharp gale]

It’s not that important to me personally sorry, I don’t have the answer

I Will sim anyway the ring to know either I equip it week 1 or not

[fickle coyote]

Yeah in the end the great simlords will tell us what to do

[sharp gale]

(I don’t equip the ring if I don’t have 35% haste with it tho)

[fickle coyote]

See, thats where those 2 extra gems can come in handy for 300 extra haste 😉

[sharp gale]

I don’t need sim to know losing Into the Fray for the ring is not worth it

[sharp gale]

My gems are mastery vers, I’m geared towards raid (i play fury in my guild)

[ionic fern]

Legendary/Undersea/Stormbringer for aoe probably.

[obsidian girder]

Okay. An official guide Is not up yet I guess ?

[ionic fern]

We are the official guide.

WowHead and IV guides should have the initial ring information in. There was some further tuning done last night, but doubt it would change bis gems much.

[sharp gale]

If you mean a guide on how to get them, no there is not a full one yet

Wowhead will have 8 hours of maintenance to figure out how you get them

But on which one to get, I will get the 5 ones I mentioned above because tuning and will just sim with 5 targets

And also because ITF issue if I have not enough haste with the ring

[obsidian girder]

Okay, yeah my thought was about a guide, which gem.combination is best for each class raid/m+/PvP/delves

[sharp gale]

Before this night you would have not equipped the ring and had to wait 6 weeks to wear it, they said they will do more tuning. Get the now sim BIS and all damage ones in your bag is the best advice

[ionic fern]

Legendary / Undersea / Stormbringer for aoe.
Legendary/Thunderlord/Undersea for ST

With current tuning.

Be sure to sim your own character tho.

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/news/how-good-is-cyrces-circlet-in-patch-11-0-7-353411
if you want the outdated guide on overall gems powers (outdated since 12 h ago)

[fresh pilot]

thought AOE was Legendary thunder fathom

[obsidian girder]

👍

[ionic fern]

Fathom is solid,but from the sims I've run, Stormbringer and even Squall outperform on 5t.

As the gems are being hotfixed on a daily basis at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it would change.

[cyan bronze]

from what I’ve heard, isn’t it optimal to run rwq on tank slot because it’s not(all aren’t atm, but supposedly isn’t supposed to) be affected by role mult

but it could also be outdated by this point

sael was talking about it a few days ago

[fresh pilot]

true alot will happen.

My only issue with the ring, is that it cant have haste 😛 if i take of my 2nd. best slot i will drop 2k haste, and be at 19k

should still be enough for ITF i guess

[round wolf]

I been gearing my pally
Makes me miss some of my warrior mitigation

Spell block and Sheild Block are OP

[raw oracle]

Love SB. SpB is built into Prot Pally though, no cd necessary.

[lucid nimbus]

How do we get these citrines?

[tardy abyss]

hmm

[violet ginkgo]

so we mastery player now?

[tardy abyss]

I mean thats too much mastery to ignore ngl

[violet ginkgo]

well that will be nice on fury for sure

[sharp gale]

On anyone

[hidden linden]

I'll take "Stuff that's gonna be hotfixed too fast to be useful to anyone" for 1000

[violet ginkgo]

yeah that's the thing... hotfix might be coming fast.

[sharp gale]

It will, idc about abuses personally

I never did the crest save trick on rings for example

[dusky canopy]

Can’t wait to see the logs with this extra 8500 mastery XD

[tardy abyss]

Enhancers...

[sharp gale]

You get the BiS ciprine as random drop on the new world boss (once a week chance) trust me

[lucid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/tbbt-sarcasm-sheldon-cooper-gif-25590311

[sweet summit]

what the hell is this ring thing and why is it ass

[dusky canopy]

It’s an ass ring!?

Never seen one of those before

[cyan bronze]

it should be good now

658 is a lot of ilvl

[sweet summit]

what happens when they nerf it for tanks and healers

[vital pollen]

Can someone explain this like 32% haste threshold talent change to me? I saw someone mention it, and it was the first I'd heart of it. I'm right on the edge of 32% myself so curious...

[untold bane]

ring looks like higher opportunity cost on prot vs fury

[tardy abyss]

Into The Fray?

Thats at 35%+ haste

But its not really complicated, you can use it once your at that threshhold since with all haste buffs you will be able to have 100% uptime on shield block, meaning more damage overall because ITF gives you a lot of haste on top

[astral thorn]

Wait... why is maintenance so long today 😮

[mighty valley]

it's a minor content patch

[astral thorn]

😦

[fresh pilot]

Isnt it like 18k haste needed ?

[tardy abyss]

18k to 20k

something like that

[obsidian girder]

20k haste with flask or without ?

[tardy abyss]

without

[obsidian girder]

Ok

4k Togo, even with ilvl 617

[tardy abyss]

Yeah 20k is somewhat accurate

Im vibing with 22k unbuffed on my war

[fresh pilot]

Im at 19k takes a little timing but can keep it up though.

[vital pollen]

Ok, this was my assumption just wanted to be sure.

I think what's perhaps more important is that in the next tier, we'll start to significantly pass this threshold and ITF will just be the standard build, yeah?

[hardy snow]

yes, even this season its not that hard to achieve with high ilvl

[pallid quiver]

unless you just don't get gear with haste

It's important to always remind people about the haste breakpoint so they don't pick ITF with full Crit/Vers/Mast gear from RNG, then they get turbo clapped and go "omg prot war sucks"

not that people extremely overvalue secondaries anyway and would turbo go for haste as long as people say its bis secondary stat, then die from just not pressing buttons and say prot war sucks anyway

[tardy abyss]

yep

[shrewd grove]

One of the dps players in my guild complained that prot Warrior sucked and when I checked his logs he had 15% uptime on SB, cast revenge twice as much as tclap, and used IP like 50 times over the course of a dungeon.

Was a wild experience

Like... yeah, most specs are shit if you play them wrong

[violet ginkgo]

isn't 50 times is kind of normal though? I mean speaking of we dump a lot of rage using IP

[wicked pollen]

no

50 is legit nothing

[pallid quiver]

off a random log, I cast it 185 times

[mighty valley]

i just looked at a kinda mid mists log where it was cast 500 times

[violet ginkgo]

Oh right he thinks it was too little isn't it?

[pallid quiver]

On Colossus

and that was a real short dungo

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah I was like aren't we press like way more if the whole dungeons

[wicked pollen]

did he also copy a build not from wowhead

🙂

[fallen spindle]

guess it depends on how much dam one is doing?. i must say i should probely use ip more as a colossus warr. ofc when things get hectic i do use use rage on ip

[pallid quiver]

You still use IP to avoid overcapping as Colo

You just aren't spending as many globals generating rage, since even if you mega prior generators over Revenge, you just don't have TC in particular as often

So you spend more globals spending rage

[fallen spindle]

ye true

[mighty valley]

yeah the general rule doesn't change, you just have less excess rage to toss around

[pallid quiver]

It's fine, though, since you gain survival when hitting a lot of Revenge in big pulls from the leech and BRV helping fluff what IPs you do use

not as much as existing in Thane and all, but rule's still the same

[fallen spindle]

i do like to spam my revenge 🙂

i really like colossus prot warr. i dont like thane that much, donno why. maybe its the big hits i can do

and im only doing 10 so its fine

[mighty valley]

yeah i like the rhythm

planning around the demolish coming up etc

it's fun

thane is just "four year old prot warrior design but fast"

[shrewd grove]

Luckily I gave him his build lol

[shrewd grove]

Yeah 50 times is shockingly low lol

[wicked pollen]

so did he just not press anything or

[shrewd grove]

He was using Revenge to spend rage

Like he thought the rotation was "generate rage with ss and tc so you can cast revenge for damage"

[mighty valley]

did you educate him

[pallid quiver]

man thought he was playing wrath classic, where revenge did damage to things

[mighty valley]

was wrath still in the era where tc was mostly pressed for the attack speed slow

or did that die in tbc

[pallid quiver]

Wrath made it an actual button to press in AOE iirc, but it was outprio'd by, uh

shockwave

Revenge is also notable because it didn't scale so well with weapon damage and gear like a good chunk of abilities since most of its damage was hard built into the ability itself, so while levelling, you'd suddenly one-shot things every time you learned a new revenge rank

[shrewd grove]

I did. He said "idk I think I just don't like it. It's not good"

He's a special dude

[mighty valley]

(me revving a car in neutral, slowly sliding backwards out my driveway) "idk man, i just don't think these are gonna catch on"

[shrewd grove]

Same guy played Augvoker but didn't spec into Prescience bc "I don't like it, and it's not a big boost anyway"

[jagged pier]

[wicked pollen]

XD

that guy cannot be real

[shrewd grove]

He said he does "plenty of damage" without it

I legit didn't know you could spec out of prescience as Aug until I met him

[wicked pollen]

trekgob can do better

[shrewd grove]

I'm pretty sure I could catweave as a resto druid and outdps him :/

[strong forum]

Yes

I'm rly close on my pres without actively going for dmg

[shrewd grove]

Lmfao

[cyan bronze]

u like actually cannot play raid aug with prescience

like the class does not function

m+ aug u could talent out of it at a large dmg loss

he has no way to target his em(not that he would anyways)

[strong forum]

But it's so hard to maintain a 19 second buff on 2 targets

And then just spam your spenders and empower buttons on cd

Class hard!!

[cyan bronze]

i mean he literally picks up group 4% hp on scales

for it

[strong forum]

And probably never presses those either

[cyan bronze]

ye

[shrewd grove]

Bahahaha. Listen, yall should have seen the Aug discord destroying his logs when I posted them in frustration

They roasted him for like 5 straight hours

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/derp-derpfish-derp-fish-fish-funny-fish-gif-3995205937939854061

everytime i post a log in there

its like me seeing the logs in logreview

🙂

my hands should not touch the augmentus

[cyan bronze]

doesnt like shield block???

[cyan bronze]

i was there

roasting him

[shrewd grove]

Bahahaha oh no XD It was a hilarious exchange

I ended up making an Aug alt and coming in to beat him on meters while I was 18ilvl below him

And he still wouldn't listen to me

So I let it drop

[jagged pier]

But he does enough damage

Its not about doing more or less

Its about doing enough

[shrewd grove]

The exact message that made me choose to post his logs in the Aug disc originally

[wicked pollen]

xd

xd

xd

xd

x

dx

d

sd

s

d

d

d

dd

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[shrewd grove]

You're welcome lol

[strong forum]

Aight enough piling

[sweet summit]

pile on @ocean reef

[ocean reef]

Pile ||Dn|| @sweet summit

[tribal wharf]

i had a 2005 paladin called dragh and he was healer by force cuz wanted be ret/prot, and my mage friend pronounced it "draugh" as like like, "doctor., augh, im dying"

[pallid quiver]

I think we should pile rocks instead

[tribal wharf]

so, if i ever make aug, maybe i'll name it that

[pallid quiver]

we need to make a skyhold ancient people-style monument

[sweet egret]

I miss the animation for jumping to skyhold

[tribal wharf]

i am defending the cores in defense grid 2

might go for 100% in that

[shrewd grove]

Skyhold was the best class hall frfr

[tribal wharf]

why do people like bloons so much more than other tower games i dont get it

is it actually good or something

[sweet summit]

do not enter fury chat you will regret saying that

[shrewd grove]

Hold on

[cyan bronze]

hawt tghe fuyck.

[wicked pollen]

erga not a #fury enjoyer?

[pallid quiver]

maybe they should have played a spec that can pvp smh

[sweet summit]

hate fury chat

[cyan bronze]

does he have a brain?

[tribal wharf]

i mean, ppl do that all the time, take pvp spec into pve and then they "huh why do i suck and removed from the party"

[pallid quiver]

I don't actually think Skyhold was that interesting, because a lot of it felt like it was kinda slapped on because they didn't really have warrior class fantasy

[cyan bronze]

like i dont want to be making fun of someone genuinely disabled but he doesnt have a parse above 25

i dont think that is in the good range

[tribal wharf]

pvp brain and pve brain is totally real thing

i know this for fact

[pallid quiver]

I think the coolest parts were the PvP arena and the arms hidden artifact appearance quest with Saurfang and dueling him

[cyan bronze]

like this sounds like delusions

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/braaa-firing-dance-woah-gif-17332904

[sweet summit]

it was cool for the norse mythology things but i agree there was little warrior class fantasy maybe

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it felt like they just had to scrape out Valhalla outta nowhere since there wasn't much warrior fantasy built

[cyan bronze]

i mean wtf do u do for warrior fantasy

[pallid quiver]

That being said, being able to teleport across the Broken Aisles via the power of two loading screens? Pretty useful

There could have been things like the whole Fighting Isle where you used to learn Berserker Stance from,

Or like a large martial school/guild

[sweet summit]

isn't this monk tho?

[cyan bronze]

nah

think this is too close to monk

[sweet summit]

yeah

[pallid quiver]

Monks are based not on the fighting, but the concept of chi and harmony

[cyan bronze]

warrior monk rogue and hunter all have fairly ill defined class fantasy

[sweet egret]

I mean what do you mean, warriors are angels of death

[pallid quiver]

Everyone devolves it to the martial, but

[pallid quiver]

This is the bigger issue

[cyan bronze]

that overlap pretty heavily

skyhold doesn't really overlap

[sweet summit]

show me where on the expansion list we were angels of death

[cyan bronze]

you dont feel like a monk hunter or rogue there

🤷‍♂️

[sweet egret]

skyhold

[pallid quiver]

Monk's the least offensive, but it just goes ignored because people don't actually like the whole Eastern Monk bit and just want "ME PUNCHY >:D "

[sweet summit]

before legion, and after legion

[cyan bronze]

i mean

monk is still pretty punchy

lmao

[pallid quiver]

It's because that's what people want it to be

[cyan bronze]

fistweaving

[pallid quiver]

So they just feed into it

[cyan bronze]

i mean

ig

[pallid quiver]

That was always an aspect,

[cyan bronze]

but your argument is circular

[pallid quiver]

But there's so many books and articles in Pandaland that you can read about the rest of it

There's the zen, learning, and understanding part of how the body works and how to connect to people

[cyan bronze]

yes

[pallid quiver]

but people just don't engage with that like, ever

[cyan bronze]

but almost all of warriors identity

overlaps with a part of monks identity

[shrewd grove]

#fury has seen the light

[cyan bronze]

is the issue

[pallid quiver]

Warriors don't have an identity

[cyan bronze]

not that monks identity isnt just fisty fighty

it does

its just an ill defined identity

[pallid quiver]

Since Warrior has always kind of been a catach all for people not another class in practice

[sweet egret]

identity of jumping to skyhold as an avenging angel of death

[pallid quiver]

They've had to retroactively add more identity to it

[cyan bronze]

thats not unique to warrior

[pallid quiver]

Just because it's not unique doesn't understate it's also a Warrior problem; I'm just more invested in Warrior personally. Rogues also generally suffer since they also cover a large section of possible fantasies and identities

They had to cull Combat and turn it into Outlaw, even

[sweet egret]

rogue identity stealthy thief but doesn't work if u are in combat ehhehe

[cyan bronze]

i mean

alot of classes have had identity added retroactively

[pallid quiver]

Rogues roll the spectrum from effectively just mythological ninjas to swashbuckling pirate man

[cyan bronze]

outside of the main 4

[sweet summit]

subtlety pulls this off somewhat well i think

[sweet egret]

combat rogue was just fury warrior though

[cyan bronze]

ye fun as fuck

[pallid quiver]

Combat was supposed to be like the guile fighter kind of idea

[sweet summit]

what's the main 4?

[pallid quiver]

Like instead of a barbarian, you're a dashing rogue

[pallid quiver]

Diva's establishing it as War, Rogue, Hunter, and Monk

[cyan bronze]

warrior hunter rogue

[pallid quiver]

For the main 4 who suffer from class identity

[cyan bronze]

and to a lesser degree

monk

[sweet egret]

guile of sinister strike spam with blade flurry active

very intellect

[sweet summit]

ah okay

[cyan bronze]

monk moreso because theres kinda a large overlap w/ monks identity and others

[sweet summit]

yeah I see your point

[cyan bronze]

u could pretty easily describe monk as a hybrid between warrior and shaman(but green)

🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

I still feel like Monk only has overlaps because people don't engage with monk and their lore, and it has taken a backseat since people didn't like it

[cyan bronze]

theres also dh

[pallid quiver]

It's the same feeling to me as monks in DnD as a lot of people play them; people just aren't familiar enough with a lot of Buddhist monk sects and the like in the Eurosphere land to really get it

[cyan bronze]

wtf is an aldrachi

[pallid quiver]

DH's lore is CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLIIIIIING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

[cyan bronze]

(theres like 3 things in lore about it)

[mighty valley]

dh is just such a specific fantasy within the ip that it's hard to subdivide it

it was tough enough to make it "tank" and "damage" variants

[cyan bronze]

yea idk

it was a stupid class to add

as a dh main

🤷‍♂️

[pallid quiver]

I'vEsAcRiFiCeDeVeRyThInG

yeah that's great buddy i didn't sacrifice squat because i don't suck

[cyan bronze]

btw

on dh

u still get a 20% damage amp anytime u kill a demon and chomp their soul

brh, dht was stonks as fuck

(for anyone whos played dh recently, it was the same buff u got from killing fodder demon, spaget code idk)

[drifting dagger]

Does anyone know if the charge/rush/intervene macro would work on mouse over for intervene or should I make a separate at player intervene button

Normally I’m fine clicking my teammates to intervene but sometimes misclick on 1st boss NW

[orchid mural]

i use this for the 1st boss of NW: /cast [@targettarget, exists] Intervene

it will target whom he is targetted. useful for other applications as well.

Hi all, curious about thoughts on this trinket:

[urban portal]

Yeah agreed

Vdh is a flavor fail

[urban portal]

Well it’s not spaghetti

It’s intended

That’s why there hasn’t been a new dungeon with demons in a long time

I remember there was 1 in df

I mean new dungeons not rehashed for m+

[cyan bronze]

Yeah ig not spaghetti

just weird

what i was referring to as spaghetti was how fodder worked internally

instead of you just get a 20% randomly, it instead spawned a demon which you killed for a 20% amp

[unique ore]

hey yall! I'm firing up a prot warrior alt as the season winds down. What is currently the most popular hero tree for M+ please? And is it the same hero tree for Raid as well?

[cyan bronze]

dht, brh, i dont recall any others

[urban portal]

Well those are rehashed

I mean like new

[urban portal]

I think that’s a flavor thing

Imagine if your covenant ability was just 20% damage randomly

That would be horrible

[mighty valley]

yeah once it didn't have to bear the weight of being a covenant ability

they were able to take away the kinda awkward gameplay

[urban portal]

1 glauve every 20 seconds isn’t too bad

[cyan bronze]

oh

what df dungeon?

[cyan bronze]

imagine you were playing vdh and you couldnt 1 tap your demon for 1.5-2 seasons

[mortal pelican]

there a pin for best gems for ring? for dps/overall/dung/raid/st?

[marsh dove]

anyone know how to do the tide of greed quest for the skipper's citrine

found out it doesn't come out till probably next week :3

[fallen spindle]

anyone got a ring and some gems that have a log of it ?

[zealous narwhal]

hey guys, if i put on my crafted gear crit haste instead of versa haste would it be ok for tanking in m+ aswell , because i am also playing arms so crit haste would suit me better , thanks ! i just wanna know if it would make much of a difference compared to versa

[final jackal]

whats priority for recrafting to 636 between neck, belt, and wrist?

[mighty valley]

yeah crit haste is totally fine

[tardy abyss]

It is equal for tankiness

[zealous narwhal]

ok thanks alot guys

[cyan bronze]

it is better

cus its effectively equal in tankiness

and more dmg

vers is ok if u get one shot thru defensive from tb with good cd rotation

but that’s a high level of key/idk if possible this season idk idc

/if feelycraft u feel more safe with vers for whatever(real or fake) reasons its good too 👍

[lunar badge]

Hi all, I have Sikrans Endless Arsenal or Seal of the poisned pact in vault. Trinket would go with sacbrood, ring with the new ring. Any thoughts on which would be best for tanking?

[cyan bronze]

ring prob, sim

also ring u run into the issue of it being very tight to get enough haste for itf(if you want to play it) with double no haste ring

esp if you dont have sikkyranny neck

[lunar badge]

Thank you!

[oak ivy]

how do we feel about week 1 ring

[mighty valley]

they just giga buffed it

i guess sim it but it’s likely bis

[unborn island]

Stonevault - the pull to the right of the 2 robots where you often take the pat and the pack at once. How do you guys pull it? I am a fan of LoSing it back up the stairs but I just got flamed for doing that

It's obviously slightly slower but it gathers them nicely and zero chance of anything else aggroing

Just wondering if there's a better/more common way to do it

[trail forge]

is the Rare Ring with the Poison damage proc worth using over a better statted ring?

[candid leaf]

Sim it, but typically yes

[candid leaf]

I just tank them there- if people arent dumb nothing else should pull

[mortal hare]

610 ilvl after getting the ring, I got this in the vault. the other option is a 616 ilvl set piece helm (have a 610 non-set piece helm and three set pieces currently). what should I get?

[trail forge]

Sure, for DPS purposes. But I'm new to PWarr, I don't have a good feel for how much of a Survivability loss using the Crit/Mast ring is over a good statted Haste/Vers alternative. I'm looking for some guidance on how to value that tradeoff

[candid leaf]

Crit = Verse - all you're losing is Haste. Ultimately, its a small damage bonus in keys from the ring.

[shrewd grove]

As a new pwarr I could literally cut your secondaries in half and it would be more impactful for you to spend an hour on wowhead learning the class than for you to get those secondaries back. Don't worry about it that much

Just go for ilvl and sim for dps

[trail forge]

PWarr feels so unfair, I did some 9s on it at 599 and it felt safer than my Brewmaster at 635

Thanks for the input, I'll probably keep it on - if only to save me having to spend the Valorstones getting the Haste/Vers ring up to 6/6

[oak ivy]

Anybody know if this can trigger itself on other people to create a big fuck feedback loop

Like if 4 people have it on and one person has the zappy one do we just create a chain reaction and turn the zappy guy into an ele sham

[ancient reef]

what actual gems/sockets can we get today

i keep seeing same 4

[rigid yew]

How do you check shield block uptime on logs?

nvm I found it

[mighty valley]

if you just checked buff uptime, you're better off going to your Damage Taken and hovering Melee

[rigid yew]

Blocked hits? What's a good %?

[versed snow]

speaking of rings, 3k vers (4%) versus new ring this week. haven't brought it into m+ yet

[fallow fern]

anyone know if it matters whether you do campaign or isle first?

[versed snow]

I did isle first and got everything ring related if that is what you are asking

[fallow fern]

did you do the lingering shadows campaign?

[versed snow]

I did not

[tropic star]

anyone know offhand if the liquify dot is spellblockable. I know the initial hit is

[tropic star]

we found a log

the answer is yes

[vale escarp]

Hey, can we get 2 rings so we dont have to change sockets every time we change from Prot to Fury/Arms?

[oak ivy]

Stepping into CE prog on Thursday most likely. Cotank is a BDK. It is just objectively the correct choice that he gets Liquefy and I get Feast, yes?

[ionic fern]

Probably jeah.

[violet ginkgo]

why not the other way around?

[sharp gale]

Open your char panel, hover stagger, press shuffle. Having 40% unstaggered dmg when you are 610 is crazy

But when ilvl brew become really chill, if you don’t go in high keys

[ionic fern]

Liquify is mainly magical.

Both ways work I suppose since we also got tools to deal with it.

[violet ginkgo]

yeah I mean we got the mighty spellblock

and when it crit block oh damn... the damage was like nothin'

[sharp gale]

There is not only 1 liquefy in p1

You spell block one, you got 3-4 to tank without spell block

And feast is non existent

On our first night, brew takes feast and dk liquefy, feast absorb last .0005 sec

But we have 2 h priest so it is a reason

[violet ginkgo]

oh the tank swap more frequent compared to heroic?

[tiny atlas]

I Have a 619 Secret Dredgers Cloak (Vers/Haste) and am using a 619 Egg besides my Sacbrood. Would you take the Myth Cloak (Hast/Mastery) or the Shard? Both would be 20ilvl Upgrade, but i just dont know how good the Shard is and the Cloak has Mastery.

Some high lvl M+ Prot Wars are using the Shard tho.

[sharp gale]

The p1 is 2min-2.30

But it’s just more efficient to put the magical tank on the magical tank buster and the physical tank on phys one

Similar to mobile tanks and kite mechs

[ionic fern]

I'd take Shard.

[tiny atlas]

Ty first of all for your opionion. How do you use the Shard in M+ tho? Is it an offensive or defensive effekt on activation or somewhat both?

[sharp gale]

I macro with ravager because I use it only for offensive purposes

[ionic fern]

It provides both values. I just tend to use it on CD,ideally together with Avatar and other offensive cooldowns.

[sharp gale]

But as general rule I use : weapons>trinkets>high stats budget> low stats budget

[tiny atlas]

Already have 636 weapon/shield so in thought the 20 ilvl in Trinket or Back will be more of an upgrade than the weapon

[tardy abyss]

Back would the the bigger upgrade but trinket is harder to get

But the diff is marginal

[onyx pike]

so, we wearing the ring already?

[sharp gale]

Nop

Unless your current ring is really dogshit ilvl

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[tiny atlas]

I guess i will just craft a 636 Back this week with the discounted cost.

[shy python]

How much rage costs whirlwind as a prot?

[tardy abyss]

Yeah thats a solid idea

[onyx pike]

is it a whatsapp-group-membership for shitcoins?

if not im not interested.

[fresh pilot]

So i guess the new circe ring is pretty useless for prot warr for the first week atleast 😛

[fresh pilot]

I use shard on my prot warr, works great.. its on lvl with khargos.

[violet ginkgo]

Why this question even exist though? It’s not like you will put WW in your bar.

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself. It depends on the gems.

[sweet egret]

20 RAGE

[thorny stone]

Seems like only 4 gems are available week 1

lmao

[versed snow]

Do most people use battle scarred veteran over ravager? I swapped to veteran after everything started hitting harder in 12s, but curious to see if the mythic changes let me pick it up again

[tardy abyss]

Ravager is generally better than BSV

BSV has a few use-cases in maybe 16+ keys

But before you can live by playing properly

[shrewd grove]

No. BSV is bait. It will trigger off shit that doesn't kill you, and the CD is so long it will basically never be up for a hit that would actually kill you. Whereas Ravager gives you solid amount of rage Gen over a dungeon which will make you feel tankier than a fake cheat death

[tribal wharf]

would be amazing if wow and blizzard games in general had game recorder from the blizzard client, don't know how it records exactly, bit more unconventional to others i've used but it works

[sweet egret]

I think they had one on beta but removed it?

[tribal wharf]

it would be amazing anyways, alot more moments captured.

[sharp gale]

The time I was playing BSV it’s when I learned to leap last boss ara or when we started to go on the side of same dungeon

Or when I was not confident yet in gb

[tardy abyss]

That hit doesnt kill you anyway if you have anything up

[sharp gale]

So not for reasons included in the patch

[versed snow]

I see. Yeah the proc was low for sure based on logs but usually happened in surprise extra pull dungeons since I mainly pug

But I’m glad to hear everyone is team ravager

Certainly will pick it up again

[sharp gale]

You don’t know if it doesn’t kill you before you got hit once

[tardy abyss]

Fair

[sharp gale]

Im talking like 3 months ago when I was in 11 trying to do it

[shrewd grove]

For the record, how many times it procs is irrelevant. It procs any time any hit would bring you below 30%. Meaning it will proc when you're nowhere near being in danger. BSV is a massive bait

[sharp gale]

Idk if it killed me or not, not risking someone else key for that

[sharp gale]

I don’t really understand your point on this comment but yeah BSV can be bait, you will ignore your own mistakes and not learn to play

[shrewd grove]

He was explaining that he looked at a log an the talent barely procced so he understood why we were saying not to take it

I was explaining that "how many times it procs" is an irrelevant statistic to track bc it will proc in scenarios where it didn't actually do anything for you

[sharp gale]

Maybe I wrongly understood your comment tbh, because if I’m under 60% hp as prot im in death zone

Unexpected 60% hp

[ionic fern]

[tardy abyss]

That does not sound right

[shrewd grove]

You're not, though. When do you get insta hit for 60% of your hp? Literally never. You can happily sit at 40% for large portions of pulls. Pwarr is stable af

[sharp gale]

Like you are 30% hp you have less remaining health than a half dps

[ionic fern]

When I'm around 20 percent I start thinking about using a health pot / LS /IV.

[shrewd grove]

This

[tardy abyss]

My healer often lets me vibe at like 40% hp or so

Because theres nothing coming up

So I can easily keep myself alive

[sharp gale]

Nah nah if it’s not expected tank buster and hp goes slowly back to full anything going bad can kill me

[shrewd grove]

At 60% No shot lol

Also how is a tankbuster unexpected. They're scripted

[sharp gale]

Warning : it’s a general rule I use, I don’t panick when I’m lower 60

[shrewd grove]

I think calling something the "death zone" implies a level of concern lol

[sharp gale]

Some tank shit doesn’t put you under 60% when you def cd them

[tardy abyss]

Only scary tankbuster is CoT 1st boss anyway

[sharp gale]

I meant the tank buster you know you will be low after it (as expected)

[shrewd grove]

Name a tank buster that hits hard enough to be concerning that has ANY follow up damage worth noting? I can't think of one

[shrewd grove]

This is the closest but even then, only scary if you get stunned

[tardy abyss]

Only GB first few packs

Rive + whatever the smaller ones cast

[sharp gale]

Anything with slash in the name

[shrewd grove]

Is reflectable and blockable

[sharp gale]

Yep I wait them to go back up to continue the key

[shrewd grove]

Fair. I run those packs in dstance and just roll CDs though, so it's not that scary

[tardy abyss]

As if you ever go out of dstance

[shrewd grove]

Between SR/Spell Block/SW/LS you have a defensive for every single slash in any key I can think of

[shrewd grove]

In Thane? I spend large portions of keys in bstance until like 14s

[tardy abyss]

Why tho

bstance is so whack

[shrewd grove]

3% crit is free brother

[sharp gale]

You know at some point your hp move even with SW

[tardy abyss]

Unless youre playing Colossus

[shrewd grove]

And shits not scary

[shrewd grove]

Yes. Your hp moving is only a problem if it hits 0

[shrewd grove]

If I know a hit will bring me to 20% and there's 10s before the next serious damage event, there's no danger there

[sharp gale]

That’s why I don’t like when he goes at a certain point too close to 0 and one unexpected thing happens to me can deplete the key

[shrewd grove]

My point is that 60% is nowhere near 0 so I don't understand the logic in that being the "death zone"

[sharp gale]

At 50-60% I health pot

[shrewd grove]

I'm literally not even thinking about a health pot til 30%

You're in no danger

Unless you KNOW there's a buster coming and you don't have the CDs to live it without being topped, you're being too cautious

[sharp gale]

Sorry I had too many experience of someone knocking back the pack behind me or a bolt putting me from 50-60 to 10-20 and I get melee swing finished

[shrewd grove]

What melee swing is hitting you for 20% of your hp?

You dropping shield block?

[sharp gale]

Because there is 10+ mobs hitting me

While being like 613 in an 11 for example

[ionic fern]

I think there are some other,underlying issues here that could resolve this topic for you . Regardless,health pot when you want.

[sharp gale]

Yeah I never trust pugs sorry

[shrewd grove]

Gonna let this be the last comment.

Press your buttons when you want. But if you keep treating 60% as a danger zone and pop CDs/pots according to that logic, you will struggle to do higher tier content.

[sharp gale]

I started the topic because like 30%, you have at « maximum » 1 sec reaction time, you can die in 1 sec

[shrewd grove]

That's plenty of time to press a health pot or impending victory or ls, even assuming you're correct. Which, you're overwhelmingly NOT correct in a large number of situations

It's giving the same logic as healers who pop all their CDs after the big hit on second to last boss in Siege because they freak out seeing everyone low. Even though there's 0 damage for 10s after that hit

[sharp gale]

You can’t impending victory in 1 second after taking unexpected dmg, it’s a gcd ability

But I understand tbh

Im too afraid to die

But it just use my gold so that’s fine

[shrewd grove]

Until the time where you wasted all your CDs "not dying" at 60% hp and you don't have them for the stuff that will actually kill you so it bricks the key

But again, live your life brother. I'm gonna end the convo here since you seem unable to grasp the concept of not being in the "death zone" at 7mil hp

No use in me continuing to repeat myself

[elder moon]

Whats the deal with the ring for 11.0.7 at the moment, is it worth it over 636 crafted at the moment?

[harsh trellis]

I used the 636 crafted and the island ring last night with all the available gems that were of use and it seemed good.

[elder moon]

Yeaha checking sims it seems it's comparable to a hero track ring, but my myth ones sim higher in terms of aoe situations

[harsh trellis]

On mythic Brood it seemed to make the tank mechanic silly

the healing

[elder moon]

Yeah

i noticed on my ppally it was about 8% of my hps

[sweet egret]

changing all my gems from haste > crit to crit > haste wins me 2k dps 😮

[smoky anvil]

But, does it FEEL good

[sweet egret]

spending 10k gold for +-0%?

big doubt

[smoky anvil]

It be like that.

[sweet egret]

it's sim variation anyway, maybe it isn't even upg

[smoky anvil]

I’m still trying to convince myself to be based and ITF pilled since I’m 38% haste without it.

[sweet egret]

I just swapped a week ago

[sweet summit]

what the hell

play itf

it's a warcrime not to

at that haste

[sweet egret]

I am not really noticing a difference in dps

just that my heart is scared every time shield block almost falls off

[foggy ingot]

You'll probably see a bit more on ST

[sweet summit]

and a lot more on aoe

[foggy ingot]

It can be weird to quantify, but I've seen a decent uplift

[smoky anvil]

It’s not like I’m pushing anymore. My buddies all quit with 4/8 12s done.

May as well.

[sweet summit]

idk there's not that big of a drawback if you play well
you have full sb uptime and more haste is more cooldowns and damage

just press shield charge on cd

[foggy ingot]

I'm a timed 13 away from 3k now, gotta buckle down and do it this week

[sweet summit]

and don't waste sb charges

[foggy ingot]

Which you should be doing anyway

[sweet egret]

no, can't waste sb unless you play itf

[foggy ingot]

Oh no, the sim is telling me to use normal ansurek ring over a 639 Circle of bone

[sweet egret]

how much dps would you gain?

[sweet summit]

crit is really good for damage

[foggy ingot]

Gonna sim on AOE to check my sanity

Whew, circle is way better on AOE

Should re-gem after getting the circlet

Since I'm dropping a colour with it

Looks like variance on ST, and a bigger uplift on AOE

[smoky anvil]

Ansurek ring fucks. Lots of crit and we can proc it easy as MT.

[foggy ingot]

Yea, I've been trying to get a heroic once since week 3, but every pug is rolling on it naturally

Hero 6/6 is probably better than 636 of most other rings

[smoky anvil]

I hate raiding these days, a people thing more than the content itself. Got aotc on my sham and called it a day.

[foggy ingot]

Yea, I haven't been motivated to do myth pugs

[smoky anvil]

My problem is most people won’t pug a tank, and I really dislike warrior dps for some reason.

[foggy ingot]

I've done zero content as fury or arms this season

This is my first full tank season in forever

[sweet egret]

same, I pug every single thing

as prot

[foggy ingot]

13s are so barren now

[sweet egret]

I haven't had issues pugging hc or mythic 4/8 or keys up to 14

[smoky anvil]

I need to muster rhe will to get my last 4 12s.

NW, Mists, GB, SV

[foggy ingot]

12 mists is piss easy

[sweet egret]

but getting inv to 14 and above seems to be hard

[foggy ingot]

Yea, it's tough

Our Guild group healer was having a hard time pushing through the 12 barrier and pugs are just so high variance

[tardy abyss]

Healer has it the easiest tho

[sweet egret]

pretty sure the only thing stopping me from title this season is having a group to play with

[sharp gale]

Huh title is like 16-17s now no ?

[tardy abyss]

Title is all 15s and a 16

Personally 14s are a joke imo

[sweet egret]

I play rogue and warrior at the same level of content

[tardy abyss]

15s feel a lot harder

For no reason

[sharp gale]

I just checked I didn’t expect the average gains to slow already

[tardy abyss]

15s are super hard to pug already

[sharp gale]

It’s all 15s and 1 or 2 16

[tardy abyss]

Most healers there dont have a brain and dont track defensives properly

Which is whats gonna break most keys

[sharp gale]

I got pug traumas from pre nerf 12 pugs, so I don’t personally push, idk where Rio hell really stops (where pugs are in comms)

[tardy abyss]

I dont think you can pug 16s without comms tbh

[sweet egret]

for sure

gotta get those interrupts

[tardy abyss]

Its not about interrupts

You just have to coordinate defensives or else everyone dies

[sharp gale]

Yeah pre nerf of guile 12 was the stop for pugs without comms, but also because no ilvl on top

I entered a mist, open mdt I see the boss having like close to 14s now hp

[sweet egret]

whats 14s now hp?

[sharp gale]

+14 boss hp after the nerf of guile (from 20% to 10%)

Which is now current 14s

It if I remember correctly ( I need to open mdt but can’t) it’s between 13 and 14

[sharp gale]

Sorry In my mind there is a now and a before

[strong forum]

ring stinky this week

takes 15min to get

however i did hc raid and only got r2s

cuz cringe r1 got PI'd and still only barely beat me

[cinder marsh]

anybody know where to get this?

[tribal wharf]

RIP DBM

i heard the news

[cinder marsh]

wdym

[strong forum]

all ring gems are predetermined

you cant get skipper this week

maybe next week

but everyone gets the same gems every week

[rain light]

thankfully you only have to get the gems one time

no rerolling, no upgrading, none of that

[hardy snow]

its so dumb to timegate these gems

[cinder marsh]

ikr

[hardy snow]

especially when lots of people wont be playing next week due to christmas/new year

imagine losing some bis gem and having to wait 3 weeks for it to be available again because of that

[pallid quiver]

Speak for yourself, it's gonna be a rock solid upgrade over my like 606 rings on most of my chars

[deft mortar]

Based and stamina gemmed

[strong forum]

They will all be up

It's not just 3-4 gems every week, you can just afk now and then get all in 6 weeks and upgrade ring to 658

0 fomo

0 grind

It's all just do a bit every week or do 20min of work in 6 weeks for the same outcome

[sweet egret]

I work at work already 😦

[hardy snow]

so they are not on rotation, just stupid timegate of unlocks?

[strong forum]

Yes

Not rotation, just predetermined unlock order

[sweet egret]

doesn't the vault chamber feel kind of familiar

[cinder marsh]

fucking blizz

i was doing timewalking and now this barrels man buff keeps showing up barreling me and othrs

and it wont go away

[sweet egret]

barrels man buff seemsgood

[cinder marsh]

its not

keeps stunning me and others

uncontrollably

[grizzled orbit]

sheit been playing prot warr in 20 years, maybe try a new dps (mainly m+ and pvp) dunno what to try tho, mage or hunt

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of which if after 6 weeks we already 658 it on the main, we don't have to increase for the alts right or we still have to do it?

[lofty warren]

Is the ring worth waisting time on?

[maiden forge]

Yes

Not really worth this week, but will be once we get the better gems

[sharp gale]

where it is, i get a reward if i guess

[sweet egret]

why is there no flying on the isle but there is flying goblin pack

[maiden forge]

U get flying in 6 weeks

Once u max the ring or whatever

[sweet egret]

but there is goblin pack of jumping and flying everywhere already

[maiden forge]

Yes

[grizzled orbit]

How are prot pal doing in m+?

[sweet egret]

we blasting

[violet ginkgo]

Also shouldn’t that question asked in pally channel maybe instead of here?

[grizzled orbit]

dunno im bored dunno what to try out

dps or prot pal 😛

[shrewd grove]

Prot pally sucks. Warrior for life

[rigid yew]

Is there a catchup mechanic for the ring?

[tribal wharf]

that is such a great screenshot location

castle vania shit there

[sharp gale]

no one in ;y guild guessed

[steep crest]

it looks like karazan

or the town right outside the raid entrance

[tribal wharf]

I wish blizzard would take a stab at a like shmup, or like a castle vania type thing, sort of like the one from the arcade machine in sc2

or like, descent/overload

or like, you play the villian

maybe doomish thingy if its set in sc2, sc and doom both heavy influences from wh40k

[tepid reef]

It unlocks per week, you can do all catch-up all at once for whatever is unlocked

[marsh dove]

is this any good? it seems pretty decent as a defensive trinket

[tribal wharf]

overhealing and it oinly heals for 35k :S:S:S:S:S

my spidey sense says probably bad just reading the tooltip

at least the 90s cd should line up with avatar

relies on overhealing from a 35k proc and the overhealing becomes a max hp? weird

[marsh dove]

🤷‍♂️ the overshield can't be that bad

[tribal wharf]

i would assume its for bear or bdk or monk

[marsh dove]

yeah probably

i mean if i get an attack every second it's 717K overshield/healing, which is better than having no healing imo

also probably better than rasha'nan's stinky ass trinket

[tepid reef]

I think it’s a nice raid trinket, would not use for dungeons.

[tribal wharf]

i would just sim it vs what u have now just in terms of damage and if the sim with it is better use that for the dmg

[marsh dove]

i mean i have skarm shard, that, corrosive organ, and transmitter so

[tribal wharf]

ya, so run the sim for only thing changes ur current gear is the trinkets

[sharp gale]

It is karazhan but not the one you go right now

[tribal wharf]

and go with best

[sharp gale]

I connected an alt to go chromie time burning crusade kharazan it’s not that either

[rain light]

[pallid quiver]

that's the power of meta

[tribal wharf]

screenshot from ~~~ there

[jaunty wyvern]

Prot pal can't be thattt much better then us right?

[sharp gale]

it was in the raid but you have to go outside, i didn't know you could do that

[final jackal]

Where is this from

[tardy abyss]

700k is like 6% of our total hp lol

Rash trinket is miles better than that

[tribal wharf]

ye old yogi mspaint

if u check the vertical line its all fucky and not straightened LOL

[sharp gale]

raider.io, the current cutoffs

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-1/eu

[rain light]

[pallid quiver]

They're not, but in public perception, yes

[cyan bronze]

In high keys they kinda are

For group to live

But not for 13xd

[grim pilot]

they kill as much as they save

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna be honest

They like it because it does giga dam

and makes some things easier

It's still kinda squishy

[steep crest]

can we only get 4 gems so far?

[ionic fern]

Think so, yes.

[mystic yoke]

hi guys, how do we deal with this on 12+ and up, doing this trippple pack. the stack is insane, and if i kite too much i'll lose aggro. So a tough balance.

Is there key party composition for this that can remove the stacks easily?

[storm python]

im the one with the noob question again, hello folks :D can anyone explain to me how i sim for tank in raidbots? is it only doing ''most dmg'' or also survivability?

[wicked pollen]

sims only do damage

[pallid quiver]

You can't sin for survival because it would require you to out in every scenario you're expecting to run into. How much stats provide value to your survival depends on what's hitting you, how frequently, how hard, and so on

So it's not realistic to have a sim for tankiness. That being said, everything you can adjust for tankiness is close enough together for Prot War that it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things

Everything's roughly similar value

[wicked pollen]

just press defensives

🙂

[cyan bronze]

U can sim for healing too on qelive dot com

Idior

[wicked pollen]

fuck you

fake news

[cyan bronze]

U never sent a pic of ur dog?

[wicked pollen]

healers are just press big cd when damage event goes out and others arent pressing

[cyan bronze]

Yummy

[wicked pollen]

this was taken at 3 am

after long hours of keying

[cyan bronze]

On aug?

[wicked pollen]

2nd warrior

[jagged gust]

[cyan bronze]

Brother.

[edgy bone]

Where the FUK are the new pins explaining how the new patch affects us and if or if not this brings Colossus into meta competition for 15+ keys

[pallid quiver]

Based

[edgy bone]

How much more damage can we realistically do as Colossus

1.5m overall?

[mighty valley]

giving up survivability to do <= prot paladin damage

[edgy bone]

And where can I find a legit Colossus M+ build

There's none on wowhead

@mighty valley

[mighty valley]

#protection-faq

[edgy bone]

BASED

[bleak breach]

Colossus bursts for more, but doesn’t than sustain more now?

All my sims do more for thane

[sweet egret]

the stack doesn't do very much, just kill things and maybe some small kiting

[sweet egret]

u are not doing 1.5m more dps than thane

[edgy bone]

I meant 1.5m total

Thane I can do like 1-1.1

You think Colossus can do 400k more than thane?

[vapid lantern]

hey guys

i crafted a shield and an offhand

and i cant equip them both is it normal ?

[jagged pier]

yes because they both go into your offhand

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey

[shrewd grove]

Why'd you craft an offhand

[cyan bronze]

He views the shield as his main hand

[shrewd grove]

Catch me out here playing the real prot warrior, dual weilding shields

[jagged gust]

I still don't see why we can't just dual wield shields

it makes so much sense

our kit revolves around yelling loudly and hitting people in the face with a wall of steel

I don't even know why we use weapons tbh

[shrewd grove]

We would be too powerful

They can't allow it

Prot Pallies would freak the fuck out

[jagged gust]

whining is part of ppal's utility kit

that's a given

[mighty valley]

the downside to dual wielding shields

is that it looks fucking stupid

[jagged pier]

Looks good in ac vallhalla

[shrewd grove]

Grow up

https://tenor.com/view/door-dark-souls-3-dark-souls-iii-dark-souls-dark-souls-ii-gif-4046331747508077032

[mighty valley]

agreeing to disagree

[pallid quiver]

To me, it's so stupid that it wraps around to being hilarious

I'm still disappointed after all these years by the leadup to the release of Skyrim

Where they teased that you could bash with shields

and that you could now properly dual wield

I was so excited to dual wield shields

It is for this betrayal that I pray every night that the Howard man stumbles upon an unending number of legos

[marsh dove]

this any good?

[shrewd grove]

[lone eagle]

Counterpoint: Pwar with 2h in main hand, shield in offhand if Colossus.

[proven stratus]

He doesn't know the forbidden Fury tech

[rigid yew]

Probably already discussed
But is that new ring worth equipping this week?
Hearing conflicting ideas with the time gated gem selection

[craggy harness]

It was always fun to get the whispers midway thru a key where they go… you have a shield and. 2h??

“Yeah tank died.”

Not arguing its effectiveness tho.

[raw oracle]

I miss glad. With hero talents and spec trees as they are now... real potential there.

Sad

[obsidian girder]

Morning folks, anyone up here for a log review (+11 NW). Timed but always looking for room to improve.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CbcHyrhJVGAPn23F?fight=5&type=summary&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24healing%240%240.0.0.Any%24111884162.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240

[mighty valley]

Hmm your fundamentals seem alright but you overcap a lot of rage

[obsidian girder]

Hm okay, feelwise I felt sometimes rage starved (might be wrong feeling).

So pump more IP and revenges ?

[mighty valley]

You just want to always be mindful of how high your rage is and always be pressing IP if your next shield slam will overcap you

So yknow, press it whenever you're around 70 or so

Revenge casts should just sort themselves out, you press it if every other offensive button is on cooldown

[obsidian girder]

Yeah okay ,so basically pay more attention to the ragebar

[mighty valley]

Your blocked hits is 90% which is good but could be even better since you're running heavy repercussions

watch for back hits since shield block uptime should be trivial

your haste is getting to the point where you could consider Into The Fray if shield block management is solid

[obsidian girder]

Yeah back hits is a thing while gathering several pulls into one

[obsidian girder]

16400 haste, unbuffed is enough for this ? Had 20k plus in mind

[obsidian girder]

Shield block uptime is 93%, sounds like an ok management

[mighty valley]

oh yeah I misread logs, it's including buffs so probably want to wait on a bit more haste before switching

[obsidian girder]

Long road to 20k 😅

[mighty valley]

yeah if your shield block uptime is above the % of hits you're actually blocking you're probably turning your back during pulls etc

so be mindful of facing

but spending your rage is the #1 thing, that translates to more avatar, more shield walls, more outburst, etc

[obsidian girder]

Okay, thanks for your analysation

[mighty valley]

if you spend your rage better you shouldn't really need BSV at this key level

and can get the damage and rage from ravager to be stronger

[tardy abyss]

Windows key + Shift + S

[heavy sparrow]

On a legion go

@tardy abyss

[tardy abyss]

Should have snipping tool in theory

Unless its a special version of Windows (Windows )

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v9HjdPmaXKy1A62Q?fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=2
guys new to prot any tips?

[vale bolt]

How worth it is the ring for prot? I really really cbf doing any wow content until season 2, will I be far behind come season 2 if I do that?

[ionic fern]

You can chill for now. It's an upgrade once the better gems become available + there's a catch-up mechanic in place.

[vale bolt]

Ok sweet, ty

Also, I've been thinking of changing around some talents for mountain thane to remove the use of spear because I really don't like it. Do I run it like this? Or do I drop points to pick up thunderous?

For Colossus (which I've been enjoying for lower keys) I have been playing this

[tardy abyss]

This but the left subnode of roar + remove 2 points from Endurance Training and put them into Armored to the teeth

Endurance Training is just giga fake

[vale bolt]

Oh ok sounds good

I was using it for mountain thane because it is 10% stam and mountain thane is the tanky hero talent

If I want damage I just run colossus

[tardy abyss]

Realistically stamina alone doesnt do much

[wicked pollen]

NO ATT 💀

[tardy abyss]

All we care about is damage actually

[vale bolt]

That is the most class discord tank response I have heard all day

[tardy abyss]

lmao

With proper play we dont really die until super high keys

Which is why BSV is generally bad, too

[wicked pollen]

guys why did no one help review my log

its very important

!!!!

[vale bolt]

Throwback to the time the VDH discord was telling people to not run spike cdr because it's less damage when most who were giving the advice had not done keys higher than a 25 🙂

[vale bolt]

Sorry BSV?

Oh battlesscarred

[tardy abyss]

Pwar is tanky enough to really not run the "tankiest" setup

(Not like there is a "tankiest" setup anyway)

[vale bolt]

Tanky enough to do 10s at 617 ilvl in pugs?

[wicked pollen]

you can do 10s at 585

?

[tardy abyss]

Majority of people come here with BSV and double shield wall and argue against any experienced player here just because some top rio warriors run these talents

I pugged 10s with 600 ilvl tbh

[vale bolt]

Post your logs doing it then coward

You guys must have some very weird pugs

This is my average pug experience

[wicked pollen]

review my log first

[tardy abyss]

I guess when I pugged 10s there were no casuals

As in, really bad players

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qJyRMk1KPctxhgDb?fight=57&type=summary

here

random log of me at 585

you do it

[vale bolt]

I mean, there's really bad players, there's fkn awful players, and then there's players don't have hands like posted in my screenshot

[tardy abyss]

yuuup

[vale bolt]

(It's been hell, help)

[wicked pollen]

what do i win

because i posted my logs

[tardy abyss]

I did 750k average with my 570 ele sham reccently

Im not sure how its possible to go lower with 600

[wicked pollen]

tank moment

[vale bolt]

I sure as hell would be able to survive every pull if they were all dead within the cooldown of wall lmao

[wicked pollen]

you say that

🙂

[vale bolt]

I have 3 alts that do 1m overall and they're all 575 with no tier. People literally just do not have hands

[wicked pollen]

what do i win for posting my logs

[vale bolt]

A kiss on the forehead (with tongue)

[wicked pollen]

i think that means its time to go night night

[tardy abyss]

yes

[wicked pollen]

no one looked at my important log

😦

im a new player

needed the tips

[vale bolt]

Nobody is playing the game that can look at the logs lmfao

[wicked pollen]

@jagged pier IM OWNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vale bolt]

If you posted your poe2 build... now that I would look through

[tardy abyss]

Im at work and dont have much time to spend 😦

What the fuck did your dps do in that key Gio

[wicked pollen]

which one

[tardy abyss]

All of them

[wicked pollen]

the 585 one

or the execute key

[tardy abyss]

Both actually

[wicked pollen]

did ronaldcomes not crank

i swore he did

and the 585 one

we spent a lot of time helping me not fall

ive never had to play full defensive build

but then i had to

[vale bolt]

Must be nice to have friends that play this game

Wait

Must be nice to have friends

[wicked pollen]

i was playing 2 others both keys

lets talk about how my execute key is 99th parse for a 10

do people not press buttons on warrior

like

[tardy abyss]

Youd be surprised how many warriors at that key level do not use every gcd

[wicked pollen]

i was press every global i can

its so aids not pressing something

[quasi lintel]

Do yall stance dance or just stay on D-Stance or B-Stance the whole time?

I remember I got clowned on this discord for sending an unrelated clip and someone noticed I was on D-Stance during Dragonflight idk if its still a thing to 100% of the time B-Stance

[vale escarp]

I go full D-Stance sincr the D-Stance buff from TWW pre-patch but im only running m+10-12s

[sweet summit]

perma d stance is fine
giving up 16% dr for 3% crit is objectively better for damage but it's so minor the vast majority don't bother

[mellow bridge]

bstance in df was a lot more dmg than it is now, you can just stay in dstance all the time and be fine now. Not worth the mental load for most people really

[sweet egret]

I stay in bstance during busters and die for the crits

[tardy abyss]

Like a true hero would

[sweet egret]

idk why we don't get something more than 3% crit

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

I'm stance dance enjoyer but it feels a little meh like this

[proven stratus]

Nah the pro strat is to macro a weapon swap to Shield Block, then macro every other attack to swap back to 2x2hs

[obsidian girder]

Hey is it worth to switch from a crafted 636 crit/haste shield to a 639 crit/mastery one ?

[sweet egret]

yes

[obsidian girder]

Even in terms of haste loss ?

[sweet egret]

do you need 500 haste very very much for something particular?

[obsidian girder]

Sitting at 16400 and would be awesome to get the into the fray breakpoint is my only argument

[wild chasm]

The block and armor value outweighs the haste

[sweet egret]

I dont think 499 haste would make you able to use itf

[wild chasm]

If you need haste, probably your neck and or rings don’t have much of it. I would craft one there

[obsidian girder]

Nah but helps to reach it

Already got crafted ring and amulet but only 619

Okay myth shield it is then

[sweet egret]

I don't know if there is an actual magical breakpoint where a few points of haste enables it to be used, but I doubt it

[wild chasm]

With crafting costs changes and crests earned, you should upgrade/craft whatever is low ilvl now

[sweet egret]

and I wouldn't be so concerned with it

itf is not make it or break it, you can blast with or without it

[wild chasm]

Few points won’t change much. But being around 17-18k unbuffed is recommended

[sweet egret]

I wouldn't try it without 20k myself

[wild chasm]

Yep

[sweet egret]

but I am quite anti

:p

I think it's better to be able to focus on the game than uptime on shield block

[wild chasm]

Im doing it with 17k and I feel okay, apart from the little panics where I don’t have it for like 2-3 seconds

[sweet egret]

ye, I feel like the gain is not worth the cost

no panic and 100% uptime vs panic and scrambling and losing uptime and wiping

not having block up when taking hits hurts a lot

[wild chasm]

I mean losing a bit peace of mind, for smooth gameplay and more dps? Debatable

[sweet egret]

I'm playing itf currently but I'm just over 20k unbuffed

[strong forum]

Risking a wipe just to do 6% potential more dps

[sweet egret]

^

[strong forum]

Debatable

[sweet egret]

when I sim the new ring vs my 626 circle of bone it's a dps gain in single target but a loss in dungeon slice

but it feels really bad playing for some reason

I don't really understand why, maybe the mastery does something magical

the circle of bone is more than half my mastery

[strong forum]

If you have very little or 0 mastery, you chance to critically block is very low

So adding just 1 item with mastery, such as circle of bone, can do as much as literally double your critical block chance

Making it extremely efficient defensively

[sweet egret]

that must be what I'm feeling

did something change with our sims this reset nome?

the robot wants me to change from haste focus to crit focus on everything

[mellow bridge]

are you simming as colossus by any chance