It should
#protection
chilly brook
sharp gale
So first months you would maybe rather craft non stop at each spark
chilly brook
You already did
devout pewter
hello guys, if you want to go as defensive as possible, should I aim critical or versa?
sharp gale
I never crafted more than my 2 embellish on my warrior
Never had the crest to do and my wrist were 619 until last week
pallid quiver
hello guys, if you want to go as defensive as possible, should I aim critical or...
They're both extremely similar in defensive value
You are not going to have any noticeable effect on your survival going either way.
sharp gale
Never crafted a non embellished gear (i took socket in 2 vaults)
On my hunt yes I non stop crafted when I thought I wanted to play him
But more I think about it, it is nicer in deed if you don’t myth raid you would be able to craft every 4 weeks with the crests you don’t spend on vaults
chilly brook
I crafted every week I got a spark tbh on my monk from the beginning of the season
sharp gale
Ofc at the first 2 sparks you craft for embellishs, I was more thinking about after
Maybe it’s a me biased because after a month or two I was almost full myth track so I just had to spend spend spend
chilly brook
Ofc at the first 2 sparks you craft for embellishs, I was more thinking about af...
Ring was an instant craft
Huge crest savings
Also sounds like you just got good vaults
Like I’m 4ish weeks into gearing my warrior rn and I still have items that are just hard stuck heroic rn, granted we’re extending lockout so I’m missing out on ez myth track gear
chilly brook
But I also probably spent about 560k gold on buying BoEs for my warrior as well
chilly brook
I never did the bug
Should have, woulda saved your other ring upgrade costs 😛
sharp gale
It was raid loot for me, shoulders, helm, boots, belt
8 pieces are from vault
(I have sikran neck now, and cloak was free upgrade I looted the rash cloak before I upgraded it)
I have the achiev but still no 639 trinket equipped
I upgraded raid tank trinket
sweet summit
you have a 639 equipped in that screenshot
sweet summit
sharp gale
I upgraded my last thing in arms spec just to be sure lel
untold bane
Please help me decide between these two rings
tardy abyss
Crafted for sure
violet ginkgo
crafted 100%
mortal pecan
is disrupting shout worth taking? and what do you typically drop for it?
ionic nimbus
Bloodrage (Rage per Bleeds), worth if u need the mob control
pallid quiver
is disrupting shout worth taking? and what do you typically drop for it?
Bloodsurge is the only thing you can reasonably drop, but it removes a good chunk of your ability to soft scale with pull size
It can be useful if it enables a pull otherwise, but it's not very good as a "just in case these shit pugs smh" because you can
just not pull that way in a pug that you'd have to worry about that
And you give up the utility of AOE taunt if you use it as an AOE interrupt, and the value of it as an AOE taunt if you use it as an AOE interrupt
upbeat minnow
Am I supposed to tank all adds on second boss Necrotic wake or focus on boss ?
upbeat minnow
Ok seems very hard to do
Do i move the boss towards adds ? DPS stuns adds alot of times so they not move
ionic nimbus
AoE Taunt every 2nd Wave, Avatar for every Wave, altering Spear and Ravager ( if talented)
steep condor
should i use anything WITH avatar? eg ravager? or spear?
sweet summit
all of the above
ravager, demo shout, spear/roar and shield charge all kinda line up well enough to want to use them together
half sapphire
It can be useful if it enables a pull otherwise, but it's not very good as a "ju...
As a +10 enjoyer, that talent will always make runs smooth as butter. I have multiple, multiple lists of packs I remeber it on:
Stonecore: literally the entire dungeon
dawn: good for 2nd boss trash
Ara: entire dungeon
Threads: eh.
Grim: everywhere
Necrotic: especially good for nalthor and trash up to 2nd boss
Mists: eh.
Boralus:eh
hexed shore
question about gearing - with the changes to the gilded crest achievement (636 instead of 639) I was trying to figure out if there is a deterministic way to get the achievement via M+ without needing luck from vault. Mostly yes, since you can craft something in every slot but I was curious about trinkets since there is only 1 omen craftable trinket:
Can I craft two different 636 Algari Alchemical Stones and put one in each slot (even if not at the same time because unique-equip) and have it count towards the achievement?
lofty warren
What does achieve give?
ionic nimbus
Crest Discount for Alts
steep condor
ravager, demo shout, spear/roar and shield charge all kinda line up well enough ...
thanks - i was holding demo shout as another defensive to layer in when say shield wall is down. i guess that is wrong.
wicked pollen
you could but its a significant damage loss
steep condor
got it
sharp gale
I think you don’t care about the achiev that much after the change
If your alts still just craft items
ancient reef
do we want crit/haste or haste/verse main stats
tardy abyss
do we want crit/haste or haste/verse main stats
crit and vers are equal
tardy abyss
yup
ancient reef
thanks
sweet egret
when I sim patchwerk I get haste/crit gems but I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be nice to gem full haste.. any input on defensive impact? maybe too low stat to make any difference really?
sweet summit
you get more stats by taking double stat gem over single stat gem
(like 14 stats but still xd)
sweet egret
oh
I have 18,5k haste (33,3%)
not playing itf because I haven't practiced with it and when I've used it I've just died to shield block downtime
chilly brook
not playing itf because I haven't practiced with it and when I've used it I've j...
well that sounds like a perfect reason to use it
tardy abyss
sweet egret
I'm pushing 14s and a death is just insta wipe and bricked key
chilly brook
Can't practice with it if you never use it
But I assure you it's really not that difficult
chilly brook
you just press shield charge on CD
tardy abyss
Last Stand is whatever tbh
chilly brook
and then use shield block whenever blockable damage is going to occur unless you have duration left and the mobs won't last the rest of the duration
that's practically all you need to know to play around ITF
sweet egret
that is what I've been doing when using it and it's not enough
I get downtimes
I was already pressing shield charge on cd (more or less)
enduring defenses is pointless when playing heavy repercussions right?
sweet egret
ok I'll do some more practice runs in lower keys
chilly brook
granted I do have a bit more haste than you
mighty valley
enduring defenses is pointless when playing heavy repercussions right?
the standard build runs it
sweet egret
yes
I've been running it
but having max uptime on shield block with +2 charges
just feels like a wasted point
mighty valley
can drop it and hit a dummy, see if you still have 100% uptime
chilly brook
Being intentional with your shield block charges really does help
sweet egret
yes and I feel I have been
chilly brook
HR is pretty mindless
sweet egret
but maybe I lose track somewhere along the line
yes, 100%
as I just said, I have full duration on the buff with 2 charges ready
constantly
chilly brook
that's... odd...
with high levels of haste you just are always near cap with HR tbh
mighty valley
yeah fair enough, i do still sometimes have to press the button at my scrub haste
sweet egret
I press it all the time but there is just really not a need when in combat
dumping rage
I got a myth track gear-a-rang this vault
replaced my hero track sacbrood
sweet summit
i'm so sorry about that
sweet egret
so lost some haste there
sweet egret
it sims better, is it not?
chilly brook
idk
sweet egret
what do you need?
maiden forge
A bunch of random dungeon trinkets
And for the mount quest item to drop in stone vault
sweet egret
I went from 639 shard + 626 sac to 639 shard + 639 gear-a-rang
it's a little weird with 2 on-use
sweet summit
play sac over gear if you're cool and so on and so forth
geararang is very stinky poopy
mighty valley
depends on how big the sim gap was i guess
sweet summit
I hate it
sweet summit
how much better
maiden forge
2 on use is gross
chilly brook
5k is enough tbh
mighty valley
If going bac to the sac would give you enough haste to feel comf on ITF......
idk, follow your heart
sweet egret
no, I don't think my heart likes itf no matter the haste
but I will challenge myself to feel something again
mighty valley
i respect the responsible attitude
sweet egret
btw single stat gems are -20 stats from dual stat gems (on rank 3)
sweet summit
I was close on my guess!
lofty warren
Someone said you can easily buy neck and rings gem slots. Is it true and how to do?
sweet egret
ah
sweet summit
Someone said you can easily buy neck and rings gem slots. Is it true and how to ...
search for "setting" on the auction house
I forgot full name
tiered medallion or something
sweet summit
mighty valley
don't get tricked into buying the dragonflight ones
happened to multiple friends lmao
lofty warren
Do they have the same name?
mighty valley
they're called like
medallion setting instead of jeweler's setting
and they show up if you search for neck enhancements
i think that's how people get got
sweet egret
itf is feeling much better today
died to last buster of krix'vizk because I thought he would die and didn't press anything
but not dropping block
pallid quiver
don't get tricked into buying the dragonflight ones
As a psa, there's a filter option to look for only current expansion items
mighty valley
this moonkin gotta hit the gym
mighty valley
hope the crest change brings fewer leavers
sweet egret
it was a 12 and we would have easily completed it, just might not have been timed
I feel like it would have been but whatever
mighty valley
maybe the healer's dog caught fire and needed assistance
sweet egret
so I think the run was for rio which would make him leave regardless
I know it was for me 😄
think it would have brought me to 3k rio if we timed
pallid quiver
this moonkin gotta hit the gym
He needs to hit the cemetary, the place where all oomkins belong
lofty warren
Why can pvp buy gear from vendor but pve is dependent on rng?
sweet egret
fun gaming moments
mighty valley
Why can pvp buy gear from vendor but pve is dependent on rng?
pvp and pve might as well be different games, the audiences expect and demand different things
in pve the enemies don't go and grind better gear while we sleep
pvpers just want the playing field to be level asap
unreal spear
Aight did my first +12 today
The jump is real
Bosses feel way harder
I thought was a lie, but yeah it’s hard
unreal spear
Yeah I actually have to use everything
vocal cave
do you take liquify or feast on mythic ansurek
sweet egret
are you asking what you're supposed to take or what someone in particalar is taking?
violet ginkgo
asking what is the general rule I think?
half sapphire
hope the crest change brings fewer leavers
It will definetally reduce my salt levels when we deplete by 10 seconds now, all it took was one +4 city of threads soloing the last boss for 5 minutes to stop me from entering M+ for a while
Like the idea behind it was beyond garbage, let’s say you wipe to a mythic boss 3 times, should that reduce your rewards, 1 less piece of gear or maybe lose 7/12 of the crests?
I still think there should be no punishment for tackling harder content, but at least we don’t get completely cucked anymore
stoic rose
It will definetally reduce my salt levels when we deplete by 10 seconds now, all...
cant tell you how many times ive soloed the last boss in arakara cuz everyone else fails the slimepools
also psa: make sure your mistweaver monks time their chiji during that fight cuz it will make them immune to the root while its buff is active
torpid vault
what would you guys choose 619 sureki insignia or crafted neck? im torn which is better, I have 38% haste unbuffed now with the low ilvl sureki
mighty valley
636 > 619
torpid vault
its that simple? okay ty
stoic rose
thats a very sizable ilvl and thus stat increase
shrewd grove
its that simple? okay ty
ilvl over anything for every piece of gear you own, brother ❤️
torpid vault
ty
jagged gust
nah
jagged gust
I wouldn't give up that much haste for a few ilvls on jewelry tbh
torpid vault
well I lose 1.4k haste, ~800mastery, but gain 3k versa
mighty valley
17 ilvls is more than "a few" ilvls to me when you're still able to switch to a piece that also has haste
but yeah. sims can make choice for you
jagged gust
I mean, a 626 sureki would generally be considered bis outside of a 639 sureki, so at that point I'm just judging a 7 ilvl diff
mighty valley
yeah but
he said 619, so
i assume that's champ?
and comparing to crafted (636)
jagged gust
yeah that's what I mean by 7 point diff, between a 619 and a 626
wicked pollen
17
vagrant echo
granted I do have a bit more haste than you
are you doing high keys with 3.8k vers???
chilly brook
are you doing high keys with 3.8k vers???
define "high keys"
vers isn't as important as you think in general
vagrant echo
14?
chilly brook
haven't gotten to 14s yet but 13s are chill
vagrant echo
what's the high for prot warriors right now like 16?
I'm a little sad that paladins are doing like 19s...
chilly brook
17
vagrant echo
ya I'm around 12-13 too but vers makes it feel smoother
for me
maybe it's just some unconscious bias going on lol
chilly brook
you have to have so much vers for it to make any difference
vagrant echo
ya, I think I'm around 15k.........
pale badge
Hey appreciate everyone sharing input about my 12 NW first pull stuff yesterday, managed through a 13 of that pull today with y'all's input. Thanks much!
brazen glacier
I can't seem to figure out a good pug route for CoT in the first area. After the first couple of pulls I'm used to killing the beetle patrol, and then the group of two silkbinders with a hand of ansurek right next to the second dungeon buff. But that group in particular has been wiping my groups in higher keys so I'm thinking I should start going another way to get to the first boss.
heavy sparrow
ya, I think I'm around 15k.........
Can I check your stats I wanna work up to ya
vagrant echo
granted I do have a bit more haste than you
Where does this stat display come from
chilly brook
Where does this stat display come from
logs
heavy sparrow
Where does this stat display come from
Just attributes
Im not elitist enough for parses or logs yet lol
vagrant echo
Crit: 4967, haste: 19189, mastery: 603, vers: 15854
heavy sparrow
I'm trying to up my Crit and verse up
vagrant echo
Go haste then choose one to focus on IMO
I haven’t seen a big knock on dps from going vers
waxen frigate
Im not elitist enough for parses or logs yet lol
brazen glacier
Perfect, thanks man.
tropic linden
Hey, want some opinions, always did COT by going right after the first stairs and at the last room, right again, the route from Raider.io. Today some ppl told me going trough the middle and left at the last room was better for PUGs. ANy tips?
https://keystone.guru/route/city-of-threads/HAO5734/raiderio-weekly-route-bunten/1
the route I do normaly
violet ginkgo
I think he was asking multiple opinions, maybe if ppl got different route
vale bolt
Is the wowhead guide up to date with build info etc? Haven't played prot in a few months
tropic linden
Literally posted CoT route above like an hour ago
why u prefer to go middle and left at the end?
vagrant echo
Only two mobs that do the void explosion spell that knocks back
Not sure what you mean middle bit that’s why I go left
But*
ionic fern
Is the wowhead guide up to date with build info etc? Haven't played prot in a fe...
Yes,it is.
vale bolt
Yes,it is.
Ty ❤️
There isn't an M+ colossus build, so I came up with my own. Any things I should swap around?
*I know it's less tanky in m+ I will be doing like 7-8s
I did think of grabbing bloodborne but I'm not sure what I should drop for it
jagged gust
There isn't an M+ colossus build, so I came up with my own. Any things I should ...
Also, Barbaric Training bad.
Though personally I agree with some of your choices, I take earthquaker/rumbling earth for m+ as well
vale bolt
I love it for the knockup personally. Makes shockwave still useful when they're DR'd
jagged gust
yeah, plus cdr is cdr
sharp gale
Really useful in pug especially since it’s the far west
Some time you are the only one who stops
And some time every stops are used at one time
vale bolt
Yup exactly. I have a enhance on my team so they have knockup as well. The thing is that cap totem pretty much DR's the pack so the extra knock is nice
sharp gale
With the extra stun after the first of totem yep
jagged gust
preaching to the choir, also I think the only way to pick up BB is to drop BS, which kinda locks you out of aoe so it's more a raid thing
sharp gale
If you are duo with 1 stops each one, you can carry deal kicks
vale bolt
Bloodsurge? That seems really bad considering the rage gen of colossus is already quite poor
jagged gust
or drop spell block, but again that's dungeon/boss dependant
it's strong in aoe, not massive in ST
vale bolt
I was thinking of dropping spell block and enduring alacrity
jagged gust
but yeah for m+ BS is mandatory
vale bolt
Spell block is kinda niche anyway tbh
jagged gust
that's like 2% haste and 500 str, on top of the extra stam
dropping ea sounds like an overall loss tbh
vale bolt
Might sim it rq and see
sharp gale
Spell block is kinda niche anyway tbh
I would not say niche, since in every dungeon you have an important use
vale bolt
I would not say niche, since in every dungeon you have an important use
Oh yea for sure, but also I have played without it just fine. It's only some dungeons that are really bad with casters spamming or some sort of tank buster that can be mitigated by it
jagged gust
If you're limiting yourself to 8s you absolutely do not need spell block
vale bolt
Just simmed it and it's onl ylike a 0.8% increase so it's not worth losing the utility of spell block
I say limitting to 8s but also I'm only 613 ilvl so 8s kinda feel like 12s lol
vale bolt
Yea ok chill out mate, we're not all giga gamers
sharp gale
Not really, most of us who did 8s with dogshit ilvl, it’s not a 12
strong forum
sharp gale
You started the season at 605-610
For the gamers
7-8 was the key lvl mech started to matter, still didn’t need to kick bolts yet etc
(First week was tyrannical)
ionic fern
Do people forget that we did 10s week 1 with 600ilvl?
Yes. I can't even get into pug 10s with 620 ilvl. Had a healer leave while saying "this tank is too low ilvl".
strong forum
Brub
I'm smth like #13 most geared warrior in the world if you can trust wowprog
And even I don't get invites
ionic fern
strong forum
It's so fucked
vale bolt
You are not a pink tank that is why 😦
jagged gust
It's dwarfist is what it is
strong forum
Fucking 90% of signups to keys are 620-625
Then there's me with 638/639
How is that not an instant invite 
vale bolt
Even though I would FAR rather have a brown tank in my group than a pink tank. They are like 50/50 on whether you get an inting fotm clown or not
sharp gale
Im among 70 top ilvl, I get invited…. In mist 10s at least
sharp gale
I gave up ara, did too much for the trinket
jagged gust
I do nothing but GB and SV
vale bolt
Mists second boss in pugs is hell. I look for ara/DB
strong forum
I do nothing but GB and SV
You enjoy pain I see
sharp gale
SV is the most painful in pug, I didn’t do it since .5
jagged gust
Iunno man, there's something satisfying about those special runs where everyone has 30 kicks and I'm on the bottom of the meters and nobody butt pulls the final trash pack
sharp gale
GB is painful because of tanks, but I tank
ionic fern
Yeah I only apply to mists/ara for weeklies
Dawn also kinda quick and chill.
Tho a bad healer can gimp it.
jagged gust
GB is painful because of tanks, but I tank
Yeah GB I can solo carry important kicks in throngus room and can solo a pack if the party winds up wiping 9/10 times
strong forum
Tho a bad healer can gimp it.
That's the beauty, in mists there virtually nothing to heal or kick
You can solo most of it all as tank or dps
ionic fern
True.
sharp gale
No tank buster but anima slash
vale bolt
anima slash monkaS
sharp gale
It’s the highway of chill
jagged gust
The absolute shenanigans I have seen on the final boss is something special for me this season
vale bolt
Although on warriors it's so free. Prot pal is ROUGH with anima slash
strong forum
So far only depleted 1 mists due to funny shenigans on last boss
sharp gale
The only mist I depleted was the first 10 (yes I got mist as my first)
strong forum
2nd boss however with a certain ret pally who pulls the entire maze at random intervals onto the boss
Now THAT
Is something else
strong forum
1 pack is fine if everybody pays attention
sharp gale
Like asking to invis pot in’10s
strong forum
But getting in a 2nd pack
When the boss is 30%
that is spicy
With orb affix BTW
Fun
Real
Fun
And then the tenders heal going off not once, not twice, but 3 times
So that the boss heals to full and the anima slashers live for 3minutes
Now that is pod racing
jagged gust
This weeks affix is definitely my least favorite so far
sharp gale
Which one is it ?
sharp gale
Wtf is btm
sharp gale
Oh on your evoker ?
strong forum
It's also cuz comparatively ele is broken
Whereas arms is just balanced
Also warrior without skyfury does a couple hundred K less dps
sharp gale
Dps in 14s and 15s are needed ?
wicked pollen
Do people forget that we did 10s week 1 with 600ilvl?
yes
strong forum
Did you execute it well?
sharp gale
Spell reflect with sick note from doctor ?
wicked pollen
How your exam went btw
eh
had perma runny nose
lost like 10-15 minutes fighting nose
wicked pollen
sick
sharp gale
Im not hyped to vault fill this weekend (i usually fill on reset before college)
vale bolt
I also just saw that the priest was using PI on the healer. I hate it here
sharp gale
Average players lvl is down every day after reset
sweet summit
I also just saw that the priest was using PI on the healer. I hate it here
based
viscid patrol
hey guys, one question: how much % should i aim for in ignore pain and shield block?
sharp gale
hey guys, one question: how much % should i aim for in ignore pain and shield bl...
100% shield block active uptime and for ignore pain it just depends you just do your rotation
sweet summit
hey guys, one question: how much % should i aim for in ignore pain and shield bl...
uptime is kind of a fake metric, you only care about blocked hits (basically effective uptime) which you need logs to check.
ignore pain isn't super important, just treat it as an off gcd rage dump to avoid overcapping
viscid patrol
uptime is kind of a fake metric, you only care about blocked hits (basically eff...
is this what i have to look for? Mitigated melee damage?
sweet summit
is this what i have to look for? Mitigated melee damage?
you click yourself there, and mouseover the "hits" column from melee and that is a fast and accurate estimation
what you can do if you want more is to check that hits column for all "special" abilities/tank busters to see how many of those you blocked as well
tribal wharf
its this now, always were deathray44, i'ved used other monikers before, this is the primary self created name i use
otherwise if i cant come up with name i pick a cartoon thing place or person and use something akin to that, or of a character from game, i.e. i went through a max payne phase in like 2022 ish, and blasphemous 2 phase for a week this year, deathray44 comes from looneytunes, magnum 44, having line of sight. etc
i also used the name lord karnage, a character created by a now dead review youtube channel and of course yogi.
tried to rename a hunter pet to bebop TMNT spelled it wrong bepop.
basically its always a cartoon reference or a total ripoff or something else
for example, i take probably 5-10 or more minutes deciding on a RNG name when doing wow names, total empty headed when comes to name something
don't watch that stuff often, but i did alot as kid, think about it still
waxen frigate
its this now, always were deathray44, i'ved used other monikers before, this is ...
Yeah I’m dumb I thought it was doomguy44 haven’t been super active here as of late so I forgot
frigid solstice
So the new patch only has some shitty ring? Must be an alt catch up patch
waxen frigate
So the new patch only has some shitty ring? Must be an alt catch up patch
Nah it’s just a repeat of last xpac
tribal wharf
oh ya, doom theres another meme game im known for playing...
waxen frigate
Ring sucks, it’ll get buffed until it’s broken
tribal wharf
i know another one
.............. mega man............
i do enjoy both doom and megaman, but i mean shit, who DOESNT like those games
almost as boring to talk about giga main stream retro games, mario zelda
ya, no kidding
hazy bronze
Its gonna be an exact repeat of last ring: it'll be nerfed in 11.1 after the huge overbuff when no one uses it next week
mortal pecan
i know this isn't the channel for it, but i've been trying to make a text WA trigger only when im in a mythic+ to remind me to log combat. and then to stop showing
sharp gale
So the new patch only has some shitty ring? Must be an alt catch up patch
If giving more crests etc is catch up to your opinion 🤷♂️
hardy snow
There will be veteran gear to buy on Siren Isle for alts
hardy snow
If 584 you already have 580 catch up gear
Its not just higher ilvl, but higher track upgrade, moreover I guess it will be way easier to get currency for this gear instead of random sh*t from valorstones caches or currency from delves for specific slots we can already get, also I assume this gear will work in catalyst, delves catchup gear doesnt.
sharp gale
What ilvl is it tho, you still need currency for this gear, you will still do some delves with your alt if it is not 600 ilvl
Good catch up gear would be 593-597, so you are ready to m+
hardy snow
What ilvl is it tho, you still need currency for this gear, you will still do so...
I dont remember exact track lvl, cause I dont care about this stuff, its veteran track so if its 1/8 it will be 584, upgradeable up to 606
It's LFR level of gear, so you can easily start M+ with such gear
mortal pecan
I currently have 4 piece but my chest is champion. I have a mythic chest but don't have the catalyst charge yet. Should I equip the non tier mythic over tier champ and lose set bonus?
sweet summit
is there any cheesy farm for valorstones? im constantly out
worldsoul memory i guess? if you get a group...
sweet summit
i dont do delves so i have none
you really want the radiant echoes for a reward multiplier
cyan bronze
Hi guys. I notice i have exactly 232.443 versatilty off of the mean chinese protection warrior stats. Can I still do an ara kara +3? I have 3 more leech than the mean. Does this make up for it?
cyan bronze
Frig
How do I fix this ?????? My push team needs me for my plus three ara kara city of echoes.
toxic pewter
kinda wild how stats have truly captured the discord for far too long when they do not even matter
every time i come in here its some nonsensical rambling about this stat or another
pallid quiver
How do I fix this ?????? My push team needs me for my plus three ara kara city o...
cheat engine
glacial skiff
Anyone know if there’s other spells in dungeons that work like blightbone’s vomit where you can intervene-reflect to negate the damage? Is it just him or are there others?
hardy snow
kinda wild how stats have truly captured the discord for far too long when they ...
haste matters 
glacial skiff
It’s also really weird that works considering none of the tooltips say it works that way.
In fact i’m pretty sure I’ve tried to intervene-reflect the horse commanders in siege and it’s did something really weird instead of reflecting
cyan bronze
every time i come in here its some nonsensical rambling about this stat or anoth...
are you aware
that
my post was making fun of that
or is your head made of osmium
toxic pewter
no idea what post you're even talking about
cyan bronze
ah ok its an osmium head
toxic pewter
wat
I just tell it like it is I was not referencing any specific post
what is osnium
is that on the periodic table
cunning oriole
I haven't looked in a couple of months; what's considered the best base m+ build now? Not talking about conditionals, just the best overall?
sweet summit
thane m+ from wowhead
cunning oriole
👍 thanks mate
buoyant depot
uh, why is my prot pala in this key refusing to go 4 set because of 400 haste?
plush tendon
bro, dont you know how much 400 haste is?
thats like.... half a flask worth of stats
quasi lintel
Guys I'm looking at all the top Prot warriors on Warcraftlogs and they're all running into the fray instead of heavy repercussions. I hate ITF... I hate not having 99.9999% uptime on shield block without that +1sec per shield slam. Am I doing something wrong or am I comparing myself to higher ilvls higher content players that have significantly more haste than I do? Or is shield block just not meant to have an almost 100% uptime and I"ve been playing the class wrong my whole life?
tepid reef
Anyone know if there’s other spells in dungeons that work like blightbone’s vomi...
Wait what!?!?
karmic plinth
Guys I'm looking at all the top Prot warriors on Warcraftlogs and they're all ru...
ur fine to play heavy reprecussions if u want
sweet summit
Guys I'm looking at all the top Prot warriors on Warcraftlogs and they're all ru...
as you get haste into the 20 thousands and above you basically achieve full uptime of shield block with ITF too
itf is always better offensively
tepid reef
Itf also reduces shield block cd :p
quasi lintel
I'm at 13k (25%) haste, probably wait until that 20k barrier to swap to itf then
thanks guys
quasi lintel
do I have too much vers? My stats are as follows: Crit Haste Mastery Vers - 12% 25% 17% 18% respectively
sweet summit
nah secondary stats are not that impactful
just chase more ilvl and prioritise haste where you can
quasi lintel
So Haste >= Everything else
tepid reef
Nah it’s never a bad stat, nothing is a bad stat on prot honestly,
sweet summit
you could also sim yourself but sims will not maximise haste as it only focuses on damage
sweet summit
So Haste >= Everything else
ilvl>haste>crit>=vers>mastery is a general rule of thumb
all stats are good
karmic plinth
itf is more popular in part bc people like the feel of more haste
sweet summit
trinkets and jewellery are slots you can drop ilvl for specific pieces
warm plinth
bro, dont you know how much 400 haste is?
.6% haste too big to run a measly tier set bonus for amirite
I said that wrong but you get the point
sweet summit
needed it for insanely important and real haste breakpoint for sure
warm plinth
cyan bronze
itf is more popular in part bc people like the feel of more haste
Not entirely
Like yes, feels good is a factor
But itf is genuinely stronger if you can keep up comparable blocked hit %
glacial skiff
Wait what!?!?
Yeah, if you intervene then spell reflect your friends on blightbone it completely negates the vomit lmao. I feel like that’s not supposed to work that way based on tooltips, but imo should long term.
cyan bronze
I’m unsure on the exact dif in rage gen between +4 ss rage & itf but
cyan bronze
Yeah, if you intervene then spell reflect your friends on blightbone it complete...
You don’t have to spell reflect
You take the damage from heaving wretch from the player targeted with intervene
Spell reflect just reduces the damage which you take
And you can sr+intervene every set
The one thing prot is good for this tier over ppal (gonna ignore bop spellwarding tempered in battle for the purpose of my mental health)
glacial skiff
You don’t *have* to spell reflect
Our aug says if you do it right it negates your friends damage altogether.
When I only intervened (with storm shield) it only applied the little shield from storm shield.
cyan bronze
There’s no doing it right
You just intervene them
Or do you mean taking 0 dmg total? i believe you have to intervene and then move out of the heaving wretch, or smth
wicked pollen
is your aug moving out of the intervene range
cyan bronze
That could also be true
glacial skiff
There’s no doing it right
looks like if you do it correctly you can negate the damage on other players altogether.
When only using intervene (for storm shield) you don’t negate their damage, or redirect. Idk why it’s just buggy code i’m guessing.
sweet summit
intervene has a range
if you run out of range you will not take the hit
it is possible to dodge, which might be where you think the negation comes from
I am not sure if you can parry it too or not
wicked pollen
you would have to refer to raiderio
unreal spear
Gonna send it here one minute
glacial skiff
if you run out of range you will not take the hit
Yeah, understand that. I’m saying friends targeted don’t take the hit. I’m guessing the vomit acts as melee somehow?
unreal spear
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sweet summit
Yeah, understand that. I’m saying friends targeted don’t take the hit. I’m guess...
oh, yeah, we know. it's a real blizzard moment
glacial skiff
World of Warcraft Game Time
Break the Meta is, after all, a competition, so we w...
Prob ask RIO discord. I thought you were just spamming.
unreal spear
Prob ask RIO discord. I thought you were just spamming.
Nice, just did that
Should have done there before
Thanks for the input
sweet egret
https://keystone.guru/route/city-of-threads/HAO5734/raiderio-weekly-route-bunten...
I like the route I just posted above here
sweet egret
are you doing high keys with 3.8k vers???
I'm doing 14s with 1339 vers
wicked pollen
n order to win the BTM Prize Bundle, you must complete BTM-Eligible dungeons in-...
it literally says who wins
unreal spear
it literally says who wins
Yep my brain didn’t want to read everything
wicked pollen
cyan bronze
Yeah, understand that. I’m saying friends targeted don’t take the hit. I’m guess...
I’m really genuinely confused what you are confused on
Like
You intervene DPS or healer
If DPS or healer stays within intervene range
They do not take damage
There’s nothing to do right or wrong there, they just can’t break the intervene
glacial skiff
I’m really genuinely confused what you are confused on
Read the spell of wretch. It shouldn’t behave the way it does with intervene.
cyan bronze
To do with negating the damage on the tank(person doing the intervening) themselves is more complex, but doesn’t seem to be what you’re asking
Yes I know
But it does
glacial skiff
I was under the impression that you can reflect and negate the damage, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
cyan bronze
I mean it’s wow tooltips; idk why you expect them to be accurate
You can take the damage for your party member, negating the damage entirely yourself is slightly more complex, but can be done I believe
iirc, i think the method is you have to intervene person, then step out of frontal, and sr? but i could be wrong, its also not mandatory, it rly doesnt hurt that bad
@jagged pier can correct me
cyan bronze
yah
idk i remember people talking about a way to negate the tank dmg from it entirely
jagged pier
u get the debuff if u in the frontal
the only reason u intervene now is to give them the shield
from what i know
old basin
is it ok to be bored of wow after playing for two months
cyan bronze
the person intervened doesnt take the hit
jagged pier
is it ok to be bored of wow after playing for two months
yes
u dont have to play wow none stop
old basin
do you often skip seasons ?
jagged pier
i dont but i raid and basically raid log
but if u dont enjoy the game
then unsub
no point paying for somthing u dont enjoy
lusty coyote
the person intervened doesnt take the hit
so... as a tank. I can take the frontal dmg for a party memeber ?
cyan bronze
https://youtu.be/LQrYVnvGvvQ?t=143
for refernce on intervenes ingame behavior on blightbone
lusty coyote
Thats kind a huge
jagged pier
.7 patch aint gunna add anything new so maybe cancel sub and come back in patch 2
old basin
ye i got all my mythic+ portals and all the gear i want and i dont raid because couldnt find a guild i think im done for now
lusty coyote
Damn.. I somehow assumed he had something els going on
not that interveen litterally redirect the dmg to the tank
lusty coyote
WHat?
cyan bronze
nah thats SLS
you still can redirect the damage to the tank
lusty coyote
SLS?
cyan bronze
just cant reflect the debuff
jagged pier
you still can redirect the damage to the tank
i dunno everytime ive done it we both took damage
lusty coyote
Thats fine! just taking the hit every... 2nd time?
jagged pier
but ive done the dungeon maybe twice
jagged pier
cause i hate it and i have the achieve and portal from SLs already
cyan bronze
i have done it many times and havent seen the dps take the dmg
cyan bronze
maybe they get the dot application still, i dont actually know that, but that matters significantly less than the initial hit
lusty coyote
At this point iam still more interested in how you got an invite
(now that I have understood the other part)
cyan bronze
not my log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rH8mj9gMR2GT1hDK?fight=11&type=auras&translate=true&spells=debuffs&target=385&ability=320596
the debuffs applied by blightbone
& damage taken from blightbone
all on zippok
pallid quiver
i dunno everytime ive done it we both took damage
I've never actually tried it, because every time I intervene someone, they start running, but I think you're supposed to be in range of them while not standing in the cone for it to work this season or something
but they have to still stand in the cone
cyan bronze
you can still stand in the cone
cyan bronze
they will always stand in the cone; theres no way for them not to
untold bane
will the new Cyrce's Circlet be bis?
pallid quiver
It's looking mid for like everyone last we heard
pallid quiver
and then shot again when moving to next patch
urban portal
and then tanks get a 6% aura buff after
untold bane
if it enables me to dual wield it in prot and fury i'll be happy
urban portal
theres no downsides
untold bane
i see most of the effects are non stat related
it looks like the blue slot is the only conflicting slot for prot and fury, where 4th option would be middle ground
that is to say if ring is worth at all
tardy abyss
(its not)
pallid quiver
currently no, and if they do decide to buff it
It could change anything about it
I wouldn't fuss over it at all
urban portal
i would still do any related quests incase they buff it out of nowhere
strong forum
it looks like the blue slot is the only conflicting slot for prot and fury, wher...
you pick mastery
nothing else
and the ring is hardly worth it at this point
with current tuning its practically equal to a max ilvl ring
so its w/e
upbeat minnow
Hey guys. I got 614 Ilvl now (just started wow again after years) and was wondering if going from +7s to +8s is a big step ? I hear people say its much harder ?
strong forum
not at all a big step
upbeat minnow
hmm gues ill just try it than
violet ginkgo
with current tuning its practically equal to a max ilvl ring
so basically they should make it higher ilvl to make it more appealing?
cyan bronze
currently no, and if they do decide to buff it
Sael said they shadow buffed it last night
urban portal
it depends on the goal of the ring
cyan bronze
So could be stronger now
urban portal
if its catchup gear then its fine to be as strong as a max ilevel ring
cyan bronze
strong forum
it did get buffed bz 7% last night
but thats still iffy for us
shit is barely a dps gain for dps
so for its a 
deft mortar
shit is barely a dps gain for dps
My man, theorycrafter or not, idk how tf you got this dedication to the game and spec
Semi respect / semi concerned
cyan bronze
Adderall
deft mortar
I gotta try that at work
On track to clock in 70 hours since last saturday cuz some big deal that's gotta close..
tbf probably much more than that
strong forum
My man, theorycrafter or not, idk how tf you got this dedication to the game and...
doesnt take much to figure out
you do 1 sim
and voila 😄
deft mortar
https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321
hehehe
cerulean vine
What's the average uptime percentage for Shield Block if you use Into the Fray over Heavy Repricussions?
Or well average goal should be.
cerulean vine
Ahh okay, is there an option for that in Details or do I need to get a script for it?
wicked pollen
logs only
cerulean vine
I didn't know that WoW had a feature like that. Thank ya.
wicked pollen
you can find hits blocked by going to damage taken
and hovering over the integer displayed from melee
sweet summit
integer 👴
tardy abyss
What's wrong with that term
sweet summit
I think it's very funny
cyan bronze
Integer!¡¡
rigid yew
Am I alone in thinking this season's trinkets are boring and lackluster?
cyan bronze
Am I alone in thinking this season's trinketseverything are boring and lackluster?
ftfy
shrewd grove
Am I alone in thinking this season's ~~trinkets~~everything are boring and lack...
Facts
high aspen
Am I alone in thinking this season's trinkets are boring and lackluster?
irideus fragment was the most fun trinket for me last season lmao
let me do some stupid ass shit on smolderon (the best boss ever made)
was doing 610 ilvl dps at 524 ilvl kek
round pendant
Hey guys. I got 614 Ilvl now (just started wow again after years) and was wonder...
+7-9 feel the same
cyan bronze
hi love
unreal spear
I always have problem to stay alive in that mini boss in NW, feel like paper, any thoughts?
For me is the toughest pull ever, even grim batol 2nd pull feels cake sometimes
boreal heath
Am I alone in thinking this season's ~~trinkets~~everything are boring and lack...
Wait till you see half of next season's trinkets
boreal heath
raid will have sick fucking tank trinkets bro
Sure on use 30% dr 10M absorb 2min cd
Physical dam only
pallid quiver
raid will have sick fucking tank trinkets bro
who needs raid when we get priory
boreal heath
who needs raid when we get priory
What does priory have
pallid quiver
That trinket from there has still been cracked, and it wasn't even available at M0
The one tome trinket that claps for damage
boreal heath
Apart from concentrate
mighty valley
I always have problem to stay alive in that mini boss in NW, feel like paper, an...
spell block puts in work obv, but other than that it’s an interrupt/stop pull, you do what you can and hope your team is also helping
also dodge swirlies
boreal heath
https://www.wowhead.com/item=219309/tome-of-lights-devotion
0 stats
pallid quiver
... and?
Its effect is so strong, it's better than most trinkets in the current available pool
without even being able to be grabbed above heroic ilvl back when it was in the heroic pool
boreal heath
Just thinking that it could be on average a loss because no stat on it
pallid quiver
Unfortunately,
It, the version that dropped from when Priory was available in Heroic, is better than most trinkets now
Most specifically for ST damage iirc
Because the crit and holy damage proc is tons
And the armor helps us out in terms of strength gain, as well
Honestly, I'm willing to bet it gets hit with the nerf bat based on what we saw of its performance
The biggest downside to it is that you can't really get it anymore
boreal heath
Because the crit and holy damage proc is _tons_
Wait Crit and damage proc?
pallid quiver
There's a comment on the page that should tell you more about how Tome works
cyan bronze
https://www.wowhead.com/item=219309/tome-of-lights-devotion
how much is the armor
2203 armor @636 for the one effect, does that stack up or is it capped at 2203?
pallid quiver
Not too much, iirc; I don't actually have the trinket, but it's like 1.5k at Heroic ilvl iirc?
And then the effects are doubled during times that you use the trinket, but I wager you save that for the crit buff
cyan bronze
ahh ok
pallid quiver
It pretty much swaps between a defensive buff and an offensive buff over time, based on you getting melee'd
When you use it, it prolongs the time you're on the buff you're on and doubles its effect
boreal heath
2203 armor @636 for the one effect, does that stack up or is it capped at 2203?
It'd be insane if it did stack
100k armor at 50 verses
Do u guys think we'll see 11.1.0 PTR next week or after the holidays
shrewd grove
Most likely after the holidays imo. Most devs are going to skip pushing anything for the next 2 weeks
boreal heath
Most likely after the holidays imo. Most devs are going to skip pushing anything...
I guess blizzard is basically on holidays already
unreal spear
spell block puts in work obv, but other than that it’s an interrupt/stop pull, y...
I thought was me
Good to know
I can just blame dps
plush radish
How much haste would you say is too much haste?
I worry I may have hit it:
https://kappa.lol/Jedsn
mighty valley
plush radish
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591
I'll be honest, I dunno if I can.
plush radish
Well, heck, did it:
https://kappa.lol/FamDc
tacit smelt
i'm jealous of you guys cracking 35+% haste without a flask, stuck at 34 for the longest and barely see any gear upgrades
plush radish
It's been drip fed, for sure.
I think it balances us out, though. This is the first xpac where right out of the gate I felt strong
unreal spear
spell block puts in work obv, but other than that it’s an interrupt/stop pull, y...
Just wiped there again
And I looked kicks
Frost Dk had 4 kicks
Damn bro
Guess I’m not that trash
unreal spear
i'm jealous of you guys cracking 35+% haste without a flask, stuck at 34 for the...
Dude I have 25% haste
You guys are playing the game easily
26% actually
unreal spear
I think it balances us out, though. This is the first xpac where right out of th...
Dude did you forget BFA ?
mighty fulcrum
with all the tank drama going on it reminded me of how the prot war wowhead guide writer still has swarmlords in c tier amongst these trinkets https://i.imgur.com/qmjluL4.png
vague abyss
with all the tank drama going on it reminded me of how the prot war wowhead guid...
maybe ask him why is still C tier or if its correct? @strong forum , have the same question
mighty fulcrum
it was raised months ago
dont care really but it doesnt help new players getting into tanking or prot war
vague abyss
i do wonder what to use though, i have been playing with my warlock more and i neglected my tank, only have arakara sacbrood, swarmlord, sikran endless arsenal and other tank trinkets that idk what im supposed to use xD
mighty fulcrum
sac and swarm bis
could use mark of khardos or the stonevault trink for extra dps over swarm lords
vague abyss
but why? swarm damage protection isnt that big, it doesnt give you mainstat and other trinkets could give you more dps
mighty fulcrum
in raid or m+?
vague abyss
in m+, i dont raid anymore with that tank 😦
mighty fulcrum
well i dont need to explain myself, just go to archon.gg and see what real players are using
data, not theorys or opinions
vague abyss
i see in archon.gg they went haste versa instead of haste crit, is better overall?
i guess why though, in higher keys you must have enough ehp to actually survive the tankbusters, but i guess for 10s is still fine
wicked pollen
strong forum
Surely it's not just people copy pasting each other infinitely 
strong forum
Nah cba, can only fight so much misinformation and some people just come to stir shit
wicked pollen
gm nome
chilly brook
data, not theorys or opinions
ah yes data, can you tell me with data, at what vers value you reduce damage intake in a key by one key level?
brittle topaz
Hey everyone! I am new to the channel, Hope everyone is doing well. I am a Prot warrior who runs M+ and am currently 619 ilvl. I am currently running 10's/11's and beginning to find a trend where I am taking large amounts of damage while i pull the groups of mobs together. (generally trying to always pull 2 groups of mobs) I generally use charge into a Shield charge, into thunder clap/ignore pain and shield block when it is about to drop. Does that sound like the general opener others do? I just find i often have to get a Major CD from the healer on pull to cope, not sure if normal or not as this is my first season tanking. I am currently being told by a friend who is a DK tank that i am doing stuff wrong because i take so much damage early. ( i generally try to strafe walk and everything where movement is needed so I still block the incoming damage)
My secondaries are as follows:
CRIT:14%
HASTE:33%
MASTERY:28%
VERS:2%
LEECH:11%
chilly brook
with all the tank drama going on it reminded me of how the prot war wowhead guid...
I mean he provides a decent writeup as to why on the guide itself.....
This is just Codex trinket all over again
brittle topaz
Not sure if that is a normal kind of quesiton to ask in these kinds of groups, first time being in a discord for classes
chilly brook
Not sure if that is a normal kind of quesiton to ask in these kinds of groups, f...
stuff just starts hitting decently hard at that level and you might not have block up for the first hits
Ignore Pain also does a fair bit of damage smoothing so the start of the pull is usually the most rough
If you know you're not going to need it for something that the pack uses, I'd start using SW at the beginning of a pull
tardy abyss
well i dont need to explain myself, just go to archon.gg and see what real playe...
Archon is an awful website just saying
Data means shit without context
Especially when there are barely any pwars left
pallid quiver
Hey everyone! I am new to the channel, Hope everyone is doing well. I am a Prot ...
I see zero mention of Ravager, Demo Shout, or Avatar, which should all be a part of your opening rotation on first pull, and on as many pulls after the first as possible
All of those give burst rage to funnel into abilities, Ravager will also help since we have baseline 10% leech, and Demo Shout also has a DR component to it
The start of pulls is also always the most dangerous part of a pull for every tank, since a lot of your passive rotational DR isn't active yet, like Punish for example on Prot War
I would also be worried that you're overall panicking about damage mitigation off of two things you mentioned.
-
You mentioned going from charge into shield charge; you get shield block available by charge into Avatar alone, so there's zero need to scramble to press shield charge. You can have shield block up before you ever even get into melee range
-
You brought up your stat distribution, which means you probably posted it wondering if your stat distribution would help for survival.
all stats are good on the defense side of things, so defensively, you just need to have high ilvl equipped and you're fine. The rest of it comes from your play.
The issues this normally causes is oversending on IP, which means you get less mitigation and IP use overall, since IP has no refund component. I can't say for sure what you're doing without logs, but I've got a feeling that's the case just based on how you're describing your attempts to live, since they're common points among people who oversend on IP and undersend their defensive and offensive CDs
brittle topaz
Ah thanks heaps! What you have said makes a lot of sense to me, Keen to put it into practice tomorrow in some runs. Thanks heaps everyone
This is my first expansion so I have a lot to learn and understand. ( started part way through dragonflight ) so far feel like I am doing alright.
pallid quiver
Those sites aren't telling people to use Swarmlords; they're saying people are using Swarmlords
The main reason is because, out of all the defensive trinkets, it's not really that bad.
In terms of actual benefit, it's pretty low, which means all the def trinkets this season are, uh, not so good
But people will still grab defensive trinkets "just in case", and, ultimately,
It honestly really doesn't matter
Offensive trinkets aren't so overpowering that you can suddenly clear a key now with them, and you don't need defensive trinkets since they won't make up for even a key level gap in damage difference at the higher end
People pushing top keys have better things to do that minutely optimize character stats and rotations; it's why in a lot of class discords, you'll see comments on mistakes that top end pushers are making
They aren't really key-ending mistakes most of the time, and their time is better suited to solving things that actually stop keys
Like how to manage larger pull's casts, since if those get off at higher levels, it's often a wipe, or how to keep people alive through boss one-shots
Things like that
jagged pier
violet ginkgo
aaah finally the discord icon got xmas decoration
high wyvern
strong forum
damn cant believe all the pwar nerfs turned us B-rank
high wyvern
If i had to see another fotm prot pally get 3 taps by white swing again in pug
pallid quiver
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
jakey's judging me, hate to see it
high wyvern
Imma lose it
pallid quiver
If i had to see another fotm prot pally get 3 taps by white swing again in pug
Yo thats always so funny
I love seeing that
high wyvern
“Yoda can pull the whole Necrotic Wake first area and so can I!!!”
die - key bricked
blame healer - leave
pallid quiver
it's funny because the only time i've seen yoda do that pull, he died
vague abyss
if i wanted to take BSV, what point i could take from the usual build in wowhead?
jagged pier
jakey's judging me, hate to see it
chatting everyone for the same convo like 20 days in a row now
grim pilot
damn cant believe all the pwar nerfs turned us B-rank
all the pwar buffs*
turned us from s rank to b rank
cyan bronze
Ravager
plush radish
Dude did you forget BFA ?
BFA you needed gear. So you felt weak until you didn't. TWW I've felt like a wrecking ball the whole time. And that's even being wrong spec'd and not using thane.
pallid quiver
chatting everyone for the same convo like 20 days in a row now
Damn, has it really been that often? I don't really notice since I mostly comment in here while in transit or during downtime at work. I'm aslo used to Twitch chat fight game land, so repeating myself is something just kinda automatic and I don't notice it
violet ginkgo
yeah that's why we take BSV
I even saw ppl take BSV on H-raid for whatever reason
my co tank earlier up to rash is just 632 bringing BSV to heroic raid.
like for what? 632 you are not gonna die in heroic.
plush radish
The main reason is because, out of all the defensive trinkets, it's not really t...
This is exactly why I run it. It feels good, despite not really doing anything overly helpful. Plus, I appreciate the low CD and how it scales with my haste, which I seem to have a shit load of.
chilly brook
yeah tahts why im wondering, because literally every website, murlok.io, archon....
Because these websites don’t actually offer anything other than what some people are using. That doesn’t mean that they’re correct for using it, just that they are
plush radish
Thoughts on Chelicera? I know it isn't as nice as like.. Ara-kara or Queen's Mandate, but I appreciate it for bosses.
violet ginkgo
If you really2 need tank trinket swarmlord is the way to go.
marsh dove
is there a site we can use to sim as tanks? obv i know raidbots exsists but like, healers have QE-Live, do we have something similar so i know what i need to live more?
cyan bronze
no
largely
stats wont do much
x vers vs x crit isnt going to have a large impact
haste is good
sweet egret
if i wanted to take BSV, what point i could take from the usual build in wowhead...
ravager
plush radish
If you really2 need tank trinket swarmlord is the way to go.
I feel like I hit a point of haste where running colossus doesn't make me feel defensively weak, but swarmlord does feel like a nice addition.
sweet summit
ravager
strong forum
if you specifically will start to play swarmlords on colossus over playing thane+ a real trinket you effectively negate the dmg gain from colossus by running the trinket
you outright lose like 6% dmg by playing swarmlords
plush radish
As compared to what?
strong forum
to any other trinket that has strength
marsh dove
anyone a macro guru in here? i want spear to be @player when i press shift, and @cursor when i just press the button, idk what i'm doin wrong here
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:Shift][@player] Champion's Spear
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear
sweet summit
both are on gcd so you'd need a cast sequence
strong forum
they gotta be on the same line
sweet summit
nvm i have the stupid and did not read
strong forum
you have 2 different casts essentially
sweet summit
:D
marsh dove
so more like
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:Shift][@player];[nomod][@cursor] Champion's Spear
sweet summit
you don't need the double brackets
plush radish
Ok, I am a big Dummy. Thank you for steering me away from swarmlord.
strong forum
but it has to be a /cast [mod:shift,@player] Spear; [nomod, @cursor] spear
sweet summit
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:Shift,@player]Champion's Spear; [nomod,@cursor]Champion's Spear
marsh dove
so erga's is what i'm lookin for?
strong forum
like swamplord is good if it makes you feel more comfortable and thus play better
but if you look at actual comparative performance in what it does, its rather weak
marsh dove
ty gang
mighty valley
all tanks are fine, but prot paladin does a gajillion damage
unreal spear
all tanks are fine, but prot paladin does a gajillion damage
I have been playing Dk
Def not fine
mighty valley
fair enough
plush radish
but if you look at actual comparative performance in what it does, its rather we...
I mean, the whole point of being here is to learn from other people playing my class. Objectively, I see what you are saying and agree with you. I also see why that trinket is ranked so low now.
strong forum
si
pallid quiver
I mean, the whole point of being here is to learn from other people playing my c...
A lot of people
Do not come here for that
So sometimes people get bristly when people ask certain questions
Since some people effectively come here just to start fights
sweet summit
Since some people effectively come here just to start fights
that's me :3
tacit smelt
question for the bois with 40+% haste, is that with into the fray and haste flask?
tardy abyss
question for the bois with 40+% haste, is that with into the fray and haste flas...
Usually no
With all the buffs Im sitting on ~52% haste
tight verge
is there a site we can use to sim as tanks? obv i know raidbots exsists but like...
there's a tool named not even close but i dont think it includes tank busters. Just general stuff since it was created by a healer. https://not-even-close.com/
pallid quiver
is there a site we can use to sim as tanks? obv i know raidbots exsists but like...
What you need to live more depends entirely on damage profiles. As such, in order to sim for survival, you would need a separate sim for every possible individual encounter in the game, as well as pull type, in order to even begin figuring that out
cyan bronze
What you need to live more depends entirely on damage profiles. As such, in orde...
I have something like that btw
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pallid quiver
there's a tool named not even close but i dont think it includes tank busters. J...
And to add on to this, Not Even Close doesn't baseline account for tanks due to tank modifiers and us having, like
Actual defensive modifiers in our rotation
That can skew things fairly notably
jaunty reef
As a protection warrior, how do you do the left side of the temple thing in ara kara before last boss?
boreal heath
Since some people effectively come here just to start fights
Sounds like u @cyan bronze
shrewd grove
As a protection warrior, how do you do the left side of the temple thing in ara ...
Referring to the slows?
tacit smelt
@jaunty reef depends on comp, but well timed intervene and leaps do help but things like freedom, rescue, even Jetstream ( though I doubt any shammy would run if they got the points to spare)
jagged gust
someone safe, it's a pretty in the moment decision
shrewd grove
Intervene to who? Dont the white swirls spawn under all playesr?
They do. And then people move. You have a solid second or two to get to safety. So someone will be safe
heavy sparrow
With all the buffs Im sitting on ~52% haste
Same. With everything food and self buff related about 53% and 54 if alchemical flask rotates into haste
warm plinth
Love watching people write macros; it makes me happy
pallid quiver
As a protection warrior, how do you do the left side of the temple thing in ara ...
i run down the middle and call it a healer problem
jaunty reef
They do. And then people move. You have a solid second or two to get to safety. ...
I dont think ive ever felt like i had two whole seconds to do that hahaha
So save intervene, leap and avatar thanks!
quiet monolith
In arakara after the bridge you can go left or right, most routes I find go left. The mons on the left absolutely melt me with the injection thing
Is there some kind of trick to surviving them or a group comp that helps ?
heavy sparrow
@quiet monolith
Pull the first 3 packs on the bridge
Pull end of bridge pack after your 3 pack pull is 2 left
Then pull the casters from the right after you have aggro of the pack you just pulled
And pull 2 packs at a time
quiet monolith
And go right? When we go right the pathing beetle always adds into the two packs after the ones you mentioned
I guess that's why you aren't doing the giant beetle with the rest of the bridge pack
heavy sparrow
Yeah
That's 100% why
You pull the casters on the right with your beetle
And once it gets his charge aoe in pull him to the casters
The amount of time you shield slam don't be shy to keep your shield wall
On bridge I pull 3 packs raw doggin' it, thunder clap, hit all the profs and shield wall once they're all aggroed into position
By the time they're half done you can pull the end of the bridge pack
Once you get those aggroed and 100% yours, you can taunt the casters to you and run back onto the bridge and use the bridge corner to LoS back to you, and they'll follow you
quiet monolith
Thanks that is helpful !
shrewd grove
https://i.imgur.com/xc23YZR.png
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sweet egret
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velvet moss
Two questions:
-
Overall which is better? Colossus or Moutain Thane
-
Which is more fun
sweet egret
you want others to tell you what you consider fun?
shrewd grove
Two questions:
1. Overall which is better? Colossus or Moutain Thane
2. Which ...
- Thane
- Whichever you enjoy most
velvet moss
I was just curious lol
strong forum
Thane is better for high keys cuz it's more defensive
Colossus is more fun cuz it can pump a lot more dmg but is squishier
sweet egret
nome
when u play colossus in dungeons, do you ever hold cds?
like specifically demolish
strong forum
Only for when avatar is right around the corner
Otherwise no
You're losing out on potential more demolish casts by holding
sweet egret
yes
pallid quiver
Almost anything with CDR you want to send unless the pack is like in the global of dying, as a whole rule of thumb for any spec
Or if there's some mech in like raid that has to go
vital pollen
Interesting, got this out of my weekly 4 dungeon chestr
Probly not worth vs a 636 crafted I would assume 😦
strong forum
Crafted neck should beat it yea
pallid quiver
It's free stat, but it's not a lot of free stat
vital pollen
Yeah. 626 to 636 is surely a lot more
cyan bronze
@strong forum apparently role mult doesnt work on ring
