protection

[unreal spear]

Tf should I choose here

All of them awful

[violet ginkgo]

Socket?

[sweet summit]

goodness gracious

[unreal spear]

None

Worst loot I have ever seen

[violet ginkgo]

I mean take socket

[sweet summit]

you can pick token (center bottom) and buy an item from the vendor beside the vault that adds a socket to head/wrist/belt

[unreal spear]

Oh didn’t knew that

[sweet summit]

it's better than nothing

[unreal spear]

But I realized my trinket is 610

Guess I’m getting something

You guys can decide for me between these 2

[sweet summit]

i'd just farm sack and shard for trinkets

[unreal spear]

Already got sac

[sweet summit]

unless you don't have any myth track items to chuck a hole in

[unreal spear]

Just need shard

[heavy sparrow]

which one should I get I know I might have to sim

[violet ginkgo]

Seems helmet but…. Cloak can surprise you sometimes

[violet ginkgo]

Speed is nice and remember you can catalyze cloak too see if the catalyzed version is better

Sim everything

[sweet summit]

prolly cloak i would not take hero track head when you already have it

[violet ginkgo]

I think it was myth head?

[sweet summit]

626 is last boss heroic no?

nah it's mythic you're right. i vote head

grab stonevault cloak and upgrade that, or craft if you can

[upbeat minnow]

Anyone know a good addon for m+ that shows % ?

Saw some streamers that use it and it shows time for +2 and +1 etc

[sweet summit]

i use the weak aura called m+ timer
it does that

[upbeat minnow]

ow gonne check it our right away

[sweet summit]

[sweet egret]

I am looking for some help with weakauras, I would like a visual warning when my focus target is out of melee range and my interrupt is ready. then I would also like to configure my interrupt weakaura to flash or something when my focus target is casting.

[jagged pier]

its helm highest stat budget item

at myth track

[sweet summit]

i think #ui-addons-manager or weak aura discord is more suited for this

too advanced for me to help from bed it is what it is

[sweet egret]

😄

thanks

[heavy sparrow]

Yes mythic

[heavy sparrow]

Kk.

Maybe I should buy the 629 BOE helm and get a cloak

[vestal cove]

anyone got any tips for the pack on the boat on dawnbreaker? i dont seem to have my shield block up enough for tainted slash and it absolutely chunks me

[violet ginkgo]

well tainted slash is dots so... I don't think shield block will help you

[vestal cove]

i thought it was like anima slash and could be reflected off. interesting

[violet ginkgo]

I mean we got a reflect spreadsheet in pinned post

[obsidian frost]

Mastery and vers are pretty close in value right? Think i'm gonna recraft some pieces to haste/mast to mess around as fury more

I only do like 12s so dont think the slight drop in value will hurt me much

[tardy abyss]

Crit and vers are close

Mastery is not bad though

You wont have issues because you lack one stat

[obsidian frost]

Thats what I figured

[tardy abyss]

At least not in 12s

[obsidian frost]

I still have like 24k haste so think im good

[tardy abyss]

ye thats nutty

Why not arms tho

[obsidian frost]

Never really played it. Is it pretty on par with fury for keys and stuff?

[sweet summit]

if you like cbt you might enjoy it

[tardy abyss]

Its equal in damage but arms has less aoe burst

Also not nearly as tanky

In raid its nice to play, keys uhhh

[obsidian frost]

Might give it a try for fun. First season really playing warrior so im just vibing

[tardy abyss]

Bit less, takes time to get used to it

[violet ginkgo]

damn what should I do, that belt got no haste (vers/mast) and the catalyzed version (haste/mast) seems worse. Should I just go for ring or just take that belt

[sweet summit]

i'd use haste belt :caught:

[heavy sparrow]

Really

[sweet summit]

mods we need :caught:

[sweet summit]

i don't care enough and haste is fun

[cyan bronze]

Id unequip my gear in this situation

[sweet summit]

I already do tons of damage 😎

[cyan bronze]

makes the simmed gain alot higher

[tardy abyss]

Id prob go for the haste one as well tbh

Just cuz it feels nice and 300 dps is whatever

[heavy sparrow]

I got 47 haste unbuffed no consumables but I have the haste talent

[cyan bronze]

So not unbuffed

[sweet summit]

unbuffed means no buffs

and itf is a buff

[heavy sparrow]

37% without the buff 47% with the talent

[warm plinth]

Not sure if I'm taking this out of context, but this isn't accurate.

[sweet summit]

wish i had that much

[heavy sparrow]

Good to know - cause I pulled it from wowhead

[cyan bronze]

Sauce

[warm plinth]

How much you block is based on your shield and the type of content you're doing

And crit block will always be twice that amount (up to a cap of 85%)

Spell block critical are not capped and can be higher than 85%

[pallid quiver]

^^^

That's why shield upgrades are so impactful for defense, as it is the main modifier for one of the strongest forms of damage mitigation

[cyan bronze]

Should I unequip my boots then

[pallid quiver]

i mean you probably wouldn't be dramatically affected defensively unless you're doing some real boy content, tbh

Blocking is very strong

[sweet summit]

won't you lose the plate armor passive?

[cyan bronze]

Technically it’ll make my block reduce more damage

[cyan bronze]

Prob

[pallid quiver]

Maybe, but people have tanked keys as a point with a non-zero amount of gear unequipped

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you'd lose a bunch of hp but your mitigation wouldn't change all that much

[pallid quiver]

Jakey even did Zekvir at like 530 or whatever by removing pieces of gear iirc; I don't remember what exact pieces, so it might be not a real full example, but

It is really hard to overstate how strong blocking is as a mitigation tool

[sweet summit]

oh yeah for sure

[tardy abyss]

Turn around for a second in a +12 and you will notice how much it does

[cyan bronze]

I actually only take backshots to prove that blocking is non optimal

[pallid quiver]

One of my friends deeply understands how important it is to always face enemies and how strong blocking is ever since an incident I had.

I was tanking tree in WCM, and it had a non-zero amount of stacks. I went to go charge the thorn that spawned to help the group out, but I took a bad angle, and I did it at a bad time.

I went from taking absolutely zero damage to fucking dead real fast

[tardy abyss]

Same happened to me in Siege once

2nd pack

Turned around for half a second to pull that dude with heroic throw

I did not survive that half of a second

[heavy sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oRyFysUxfkYwAz9s8PDWbR

[violet ginkgo]

While Luerce is here, I need advice

[sweet summit]

asks for advice
refuses to elaborate
leaves

[jagged pier]

[cyan bronze]

While Luerce isnt here, I dont need advice

[warm stone]

hey everyone kinda new here. have you guys used this shield maid addon in curseforge?

[violet ginkgo]

I mean the advice is pretty much above I'll ask jakey then

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

felt a bit wrong when there is no haste in the belt

[jagged pier]

Barely a differencr do what u want

[toxic pewter]

people still talking about stats?

[violet ginkgo]

Yes, kinda apb

[heavy sparrow]

i'm simming up a storm lol

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-aww-gif-26197337

I think I may have too much haste on my gear pre simming lol

[shy rock]

What addons do you guys use? Right now I'm only using Deadly Boss Mods.

[sweet egret]

mythic dungeon tools

weakauras

raider io

teleport menu

omnicd

bigwigs + littlewigs

[pallid quiver]

It's funny, because I died and left not very long after that message

[unreal spear]

I recently put some addons

[pallid quiver]

Weakauras, ElvUI, and BigWigs are pretty much the main drivers. Anything else is niche stuff, like logs/Simulationcraft/etc

[unreal spear]

Hit 2.5k without addons, was fun

[pallid quiver]

Oh, OmniCD, too, but that doesn't really do much when people just don't press their CDs anyway smh

[unreal spear]

How the fuck you got 47% haste

I got 25% i barely can do anything

[tardy abyss]

Its 47% with ITF

[unreal spear]

Now makes sense why I feel like paper

[sweet egret]

because no addons?

[unreal spear]

Nah now I’m using addons

Less paper but still paper

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-elf-cute-kawaii-gif-1391919008270779198

[violet ginkgo]

gg william

[violet ginkgo]

ah yeah but I finally decide to pick the ring, was quite conflicted.

[sweet egret]

prot warrior = not paper

[unreal spear]

If I don’t feel like Dk blood in legion I’m paper

[chilly brook]

the what addon?

literally never heard of that

[mighty valley]

this sounds very bad lmao

[mighty valley]

Reading the description for this addon, I don't think it's going to help you

We're never choosing between shield block and IP, we keep shield block up all the time

IP is never gonna "beat" shield block

[tardy abyss]

Sounds pretty bad yeah

[ashen fern]

Currently running a heroic sacbrood/swarmlords for most content. I have myth track foul behemoth's chelicera and ceaseless swarmgland in my vault, are either worth grabbing?

[jagged gust]

The only time I'd recommend Swarmlord is when you're in desperate need of 1200 haste

[ashen fern]

Other trinkets I have on hero track are quickwick candlestick and sikran's arsenal.

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

[tardy abyss]

Time to farm some GB

[shrewd grove]

Ah yes. This solves the Prot Warrior conundrum of checks notes not having enough rage to cast all of our abilities... lmao

[lofty warren]

The tww dungeon wgere you play in the dark with candles gonna be so aids

[shrewd grove]

The cart sequence is gonna brick so many keys

And final boss

[oak ivy]

Do we know what gems we're putting in the 11.0.7 ring when it drops

[crude scaffold]

Body pieces are all myth track. Jewelry and MH are hero track. Building prot set more. Does Sikran's provide a useable amount of avoidance or is it meh? Torn between chest and trink. Chest has haste vers speed.Any suggestions y'all?

[tardy abyss]

Trinket is pretty bad

You have the best ones already

[crude scaffold]

Looks like chest it is. The vers will be nice.

[tardy abyss]

Why are you at only 17% crit but 16% vers

And only 16% mastery

[crude scaffold]

It's all arms gear

[tardy abyss]

That doesnt make sense

[crude scaffold]

idk

[tardy abyss]

Arms wants haste crit

[crude scaffold]

No Cruel Strikes in warrior tree.

[tardy abyss]

And some mastery as well

[crude scaffold]

Arms I have down no issue. Just wasn't too sure about prot.

[tardy abyss]

In my arms gear Im sitting at 32% crit without a crit trinket

[crude scaffold]

There's Arms in colossus M+ spec with no flask

[tardy abyss]

638 jesus

I wish I could get my last item

[crude scaffold]

Mastery started to sim ahead for dungeons for me so one ring and neck are crit mastery

[tardy abyss]

Isnt mastery generally good for colossus

[crude scaffold]

It is but until I got higher ilvl haste was still ahead

[tardy abyss]

Damn

[vestal moat]

why is mastery better for colossus than slayer for arms?

[wicked pollen]

big dam

[fickle tundra]

yo, with myth mark + myth egg, would you take a myth larynx?

[rain swan]

ok, i'm gonna say something very stupid, i need some help managing my keybinds, i feel i have too many to the point i just realized i never used impending victory even once and i'm tanking 11s

i just had it so far in my bars i never even saw it

i just bound it to c and removed the character window bind... but some of the keybinds are really far like shout and some i use a lot are on awkward combinations, do people have any macro combining some of these?

i only have charge/intercept macro

[warm plinth]

You prefer alt to shift?

[rain swan]

yeah, i don't know why

[warm plinth]

Do you have extra buttons on your mouse?

[heavy sparrow]

I used to use revenge on T

Use your impending victory with your middle mouse wheel click, or use that for your pummel and put your impending victory where your old pummel will go

[shrewd grove]

Mouse buttons, the tilde (~) key, G and T

[heavy sparrow]

G could work for him

V too

[shrewd grove]

I thought I saw stuff bound to V

[warm plinth]

T is already bound

[heavy sparrow]

He can swap v and c with his taunt and IV

[warm plinth]

Execute/Rally

[heavy sparrow]

He needs to use IV more

[scarlet stone]

Z, c, v, g, m4, m5, mwheelu, mwheeld, and shift (or alt) for all of them.

I also use a few ctrl on m4/mwheel mostly

[rain swan]

t and v bound, i dont really like mouse buttons, i only use wheel for party targets in arena (when healing)

[rain swan]

swap with what?

i feel so dumb, i was wondering how to heal with warrior i just started reading things a bit more and i was like... oh, IV is the heal wtf

i thought it was just some damage trigger

i just looked at the rotation in wowhead when learning, but it wasnt there, it's mentioned below

[scarlet stone]

Idk I highly recommend some mwheel. Mwheeld ignore pain f.ex

And then f.ex I use m4 heroic leap, then sm4 skull, cm4 moon

[rain swan]

im too used to mouse buttons being for targeting (i meain healer), so i don't want to mess that in my head

[scarlet stone]

I uhh

[rain swan]

i was mostly asking to see if there were any clever macros to reduce the amount of buttons tbh

[scarlet stone]

Would recommend you don't use target macros like that to begin with.

[rain swan]

it's for pvp

mouse wheel up = party 1, mouse wheel down = party 2, mouse5 = self

[scarlet stone]

Yeah even for PvP you don't want to TARGET your friendly players

Use mouse overs

[rain swan]

no thanks, i hate them

[scarlet stone]

It is INCREDIBLY inefficient to untarget enemy players to heal.

Mouse overs or AT WORST use party:1/2/3 macros. Not actual targeting.

[rain swan]

i want to have free control of my mouse camera, while targeting and casting heals at the same time

[scarlet stone]

I promise you'll gain a noticeable power spike if you stop actually changing your target to friendly players in PvP.

[rain swan]

in any case, this isn't the healer channel 😄 didn't want to derail

[scarlet stone]

Not only because it's slow but it ALSO telegraphs what/who you're targeting to all your opponents

Well it's important to the topic because it's holding you back from a solid 12 hotkeys.

[wicked pollen]

@rain swan do you use mmo mouse and why not just add ctrl shift in addition to alt

[rain swan]

i don't use an mmo mouse, i don't know i just never felt comfortable using the pinky for modifiers

[wicked pollen]

you could reach it by using palm of hand

[rain swan]

i alt on the thumb felt always better for me

i'm using this layout since tbc lol

[wicked pollen]

so you are saying you reach all the way to 8 and 9

[rain swan]

palm of hand? i'm not sure what you mean

[wicked pollen]

when my hand is resting on keyboard

if i put weight it pushes ctrl

[rain swan]

i guess i have way too big hands

my palm is very far away from the keyboard

lol

[wicked pollen]

ah

that makes sense

what if you rotated your hand

you also dont need to have all your fingers planted on a key

esp if you are putting weight on them

[rain swan]

i might try a few shift key combos...

like shift+r, shift+f feel like they could work

when putting the pinky on it i can natural use the index on those 2

thanks for the recommendations in any case

[heavy sparrow]

I use the tilda key for the character pane easy access

You can prob use it for the aoe taunt

[mighty valley]

tilde’s avatar for me

and most big CDs on other specs

[novel temple]

Question, how much mastery would be needed to have a 100% block chance or a 100% crit block chance?

Idk where to find the math for mastery conversion per point

So if someone knows the math and the diminishing return part, I’m also down to calculate it myself

Also, does the colossus talent add 20% to the 60% reduction from a crit block to make 80% or would it be 20% of 60%

To make I think 72% if my math is mathing right

[rain swan]

yeah, i should use tilde, i dont know why i dont, ty for pointing it out

[heavy sparrow]

Use your tilda for any of your shockwave/challenging /demoralizing shout, so you can free up a space for your impending victory

[mortal pecan]

ran raidbot with vault picks. Want to make sure it's suggesting i take the trinket over the mythic chest.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rFdDpzfZrhSC6UrzZxbmYv

[rain swan]

oof, ive been farming gb for kardos

for like 20 instances

[heavy sparrow]

To be fair I'd go hunt for the trinket

[rain swan]

yeah if you wanna optimize vaults, for sure

[mortal pecan]

it's only hero though

[rain swan]

yeah i would take the myth track, as it's the only way to get it

[mortal pecan]

then catalyst it for tier set?

[rain swan]

🤷

[keen leaf]

does tough as nails have an ICD?

[cinder marsh]

prob not a thing but just asking, is there a wa or addon to where it gives you a percent bar for your dungeons without being in a key so you can practice getting percent?

[novel temple]

Not that I know of

[shrewd grove]

Just use MDT? What do you mean, "practice getting %"?

Find a route you like, using MDT, run that route. You have %

[cinder marsh]

is there a way to see the route on your minimap while you practice?

or do i have to keep opening them up

[shrewd grove]

Usually at the beginning of the season I just winkey+shift+S and paste it into a paint doc on my second monitor lol

[signal field]

new ring any good?

[urban portal]

youll DR long before you hit 100% block

And 100% crit block prob isn’t feasible all the time

You can do it with trinkets and such late in the expac

[keen leaf]

u hit 100% block all the time, what do u mean lol

[urban portal]

He wants it through mastery

Not by pressing buttons

[mortal pecan]

anyone know how to make a simple text reminder for when im inside a dungeon?

with weakauras

[torpid fiber]

How much would I be handicapping myself in m+ if I ran colossus?

[cyan bronze]

U would do alot of dmg

!

[shrewd grove]

If you're doing 12s and under, you're fine. You'll do a lot more damage and need a little more healing

[strong forum]

~500millisec

[keen leaf]

I guess the damage is just too low to matter, was just seeing how it was on keys I didnt need spell block on

[urban portal]

It’s not bad for damage

It’s solidly average for how passive it is

I believe it’s stronger than bloodborne in lower counts but I would need to check that

[shrewd grove]

That's the funniest fucking name. I love it

Not the tor edition

[oak ivy]

I love mythic raid + BSV

I just got hit for 230 milly and survived

[novel temple]

Just was curious since I know it’d DR way before then

Though I tried colossus out for some quick testing to see something and I don’t think the crit block talent is working

Unless there’s so weird math going on behind the scenes

Or the tooltip was only updated when it got buffed

[errant oriole]

so is it best to go haste vers or haste crit? I know this is a dumb question, sorry

[tardy abyss]

crit and vers are equal, so haste and then either stat

[errant oriole]

oh?

wouldn't verse reduce flat magic dmg too?

[tardy abyss]

Most damage are melee attacks

Which is why crit comes equal

[errant oriole]

ah ok

thanks

[tardy abyss]

But youre not wrong, however we dont struggle with magic damage

[heavy sparrow]

wanna run colossus together

[steep condor]

hey guys - noob question here but how important are stats? I am 13% crit, 21% haste, 29% mastery and 11% vers and im 614 ilvl. I'm at best average skill lvl so i often rely on ilvl to overcome my mistakes 🙂 What level keys do you think i could comfortably pug tank? Would 10's be a bit too far? 8's? Lower? ps i normally play fury but i have tanked everything about 8 on vdh, bdk and prot pala so i do kinda kno the routes.

[heavy sparrow]

Keep running some 8s

And start raid leading some heroic raids

You're doing great if you're running 8s

Taper off the mastery and switch around the haste and bump those numbers up

[restive oak]

yeah if you know routes warrior pretty easy

[sweet summit]

stats are not very important. overall ilvl does more for you. the keystone level you can do is more reliant on your skill than gear, so it's not easy for me to say. you just have to try! mistakes happen and you will deplete, but that's okay!
if you want help with gameplay i recommend logging your runs and reporting back with a log 🫡

[fallow hinge]

is the mark better then sikrans? simmed it at the same ilvl and the dmg diff wasnt that big, 0.5%

[jovial nest]

Crafted 636 one handed with Haste/Versa or 639 one handed with Versa/Mastery/Leech? Does the Str and damage make up for the missing haste?

[steep condor]

@heavy sparrow @sweet summit thanks for those very helpful replies 🙂

[heavy sparrow]

I bought the sikran with gold in a raid group

And I'm looking to replace it, try simming it

I'm hoping to replace it with a shard or that trinket.

[violet ginkgo]

Maybe think about this perspective, sikran you have to press it every 1 min. Mark? you can macro it to your spear cast or ravager cast since they are all at 1 min 30 secs. You can just do your rotation and not think too much about activating trinket

[sweet summit]

639 is better

[strong forum]

Mark is better in virtually any situation

Just macro it to spear or Ravager

[nimble heron]

Guys whats better? I have 626 swarm and 639 module. Sim says module is better for dps +3.5-4% for m+ and gives same shield as I see. But swarm it's a controlled button when module is random, proc when u taked agrro (pack by pack in 12-14 keys).

[sweet summit]

module isn't random. it's when you use taunt or aoe taunt. but only once every minute
if it was between these two i'd still take swarmlords i think

I am not a fan of module

[tardy abyss]

Id prob take module and make sure I replace it asap

Unless you need the Haste for ITF

[strong forum]

id personally not run either of those

but if i HAD to pick it would probably be module

cuz missing out on 4% dmg sucks a

okay team, i got a few better HC parses from weekly run, lets pray its enough to climb a spot or 2 on allstars

[pallid quiver]

imagine getting into a raid that can get past 2nd boss

[nimble heron]

thx for tips guys

[strong forum]

i mostly only sign up to runs where the leader is minimum 4/8M

ideally 8/8M tho

same goes for m+

[pallid quiver]

bold of you to assume that the people we have 4/8 aren't those who got kicked out for being too bad smh

I normally play when there's fuck all people on, so my choices are limited

[strong forum]

well 4/8M is what people who give a shit about their character pug atleast

[pallid quiver]

we love being in a world where your average tank pulls 140k DPS

[strong forum]

meanwhile my pug tank "only" does half of mine

[pallid quiver]

I was Arms the other day, and was just like, "bruh, why am i tanking the boss"

[strong forum]

i still pull threat tho

[pallid quiver]

i'm not even good at arms

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/By9FOcx.png

[pallid quiver]

hey, that lower one is kinda close to the DPS I did last time I checked my tank DPS

Think I was at like 650-700 ST at like 610 or so

[sharp gale]

It made me think of ansurek pugs the first week, I tried hard to tank the boss

Impossible, needed à bop on pull each time

[pallid quiver]

Fuck I forgot to set up my bop cancel bind on my war

[strong forum]

ye i simmed 500k at 580 ilvl

[pallid quiver]

I haven't actually checked what I sim recently

Zero motivation to check and maintain

[sharp gale]

The issue is not the average dps, it’s the pike dps

[strong forum]

i resimmed trinkets for 2min boss kills

and yeah, eggsac bad for 2min kills

[pallid quiver]

I have no idea how long my kills are going to be, because sometimes

[pallid quiver]

it's, uh, real bad in these groups I get into

[strong forum]

but i have options

[sharp gale]

Usually you have aggro issue on pulls and then it’s wipe because you are at 1 m the other is at 200k

[pallid quiver]

I saw two rotations of Ulgrax's mechs yesterday

[strong forum]

okay according to my calculations i should get #2

[pallid quiver]

Also, I will never get a good parse on Court

Tanks hate stacking those on heroic

[strong forum]

i would have to do boost runs to get #1

[sharp gale]

My guild tank hate stacking those in mythic

[strong forum]

but i think getting natty #2 without boost runs that skew how much add hp there is

is pretty aight

[sharp gale]

You parse in thane ?

[pallid quiver]

Don't worry, a lot of the add damage is getting removed from logs soon!

[strong forum]

hell no

[strong forum]

luckily

i legit only play thane to see how bad the dmg is compared to colossus

(its pretty bad)

[sharp gale]

It was curiosity question, because I noticed the thane come back on wcl % last week

But so long I didn’t raid as tank

I did my parses

[strong forum]

unacceptable

[sharp gale]

Mmmh seeing this I would still hesitate

[strong forum]

thing is yeah

[sharp gale]

About variance in actual gameplay in colossus

[strong forum]

colossus, as soon as extra targets get added

(which raid has a ton of)

shoots turbo ahead

[sharp gale]

Do they live long enough ?

Don’t parses impossible unless group built for you?

[strong forum]

extra colossus might stacks are extra colossus might stacks

no happy

im LITERALLY

fucking pugging

random ass groups

and #2 allstars

[sharp gale]

Wtf because I thought no way you can hit those adds on rash

In hc

[strong forum]

correct

[jagged pier]

u sim 30k higher than me

[sharp gale]

Just ST the boss lel

[strong forum]

but thats still r10 parse

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/69D1pGrY4FbnaV3K?fight=17&view=rankings

got r3 kyveza

r6 bloodhorror

r10 ovinax, r4 sikran

[pallid quiver]

I really do need to mess with colossus in raid more

but that'd require me to not DPS and trust DPS to do the mechs later in the instance

[strong forum]

full natty

[pallid quiver]

Which is a pretty bad bet

[strong forum]

no boost groups no funnel no nothing

just natty pump

[sharp gale]

Those are nice parses I might do a little clear this afternoon and

Try THaNE

[pallid quiver]

If you're going for parses, Colo's the way

[sharp gale]

Because I parsed in nm we were still doing guild clears in hc

[sharp gale]

You can have 99s as thane im pretty sure

[strong forum]

easily

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, easily

but like, if you're wanting to push for pure dam, Colo

[sharp gale]

But yeah colossus is a lot more

[pallid quiver]

I think W1 I was getting 95-99s off thane going raw

[strong forum]

thane btw

[sharp gale]

Literally the first time I play colossus I do 200k more than thane on sikran

[strong forum]

yea

colossus is easier on ST

thane gets real hectic during execute

[sharp gale]

But my thane kills were with def talents

[strong forum]

?

[sharp gale]

And my colossus kills were with full dps talents

[pallid quiver]

I'm hoping he means without execute talents

[strong forum]

ah you mean punish

[sharp gale]

No i was with indomitable as thane

[strong forum]

ah

[sharp gale]

For exemple

[strong forum]

i mean yeah

thats like 1-2%

rashanan breakdown is always fun

[pallid quiver]

We need more fights like Rash

I say it every time

[sharp gale]

I love rash, too bad it is not slightly harder in mythic

[pallid quiver]

uh, sure, i was talking about the fight design

[strong forum]

first 4 are practically just heroic

[pallid quiver]

and not that it's like 80% execute

[strong forum]

but yeah

[sharp gale]

I play fury in mythic so I don’t know execute, but I meant I love the design but under tuned

[pallid quiver]

that's why fury sucks now

[sharp gale]

I like to be fury on silken tbh

I love thane fury

I don’t like melee dps tho

I wouldn’t know what are fury issues, I’m still too clueless

[pallid quiver]

Its execute sucks

Since it's a generator and all

We can't have this anymore as Fury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

[sage briar]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask if there is a specific haste value that allows for 100% shield block uptime? I am trying to work around my stats and this is my first priority.

[sharp gale]

You just need heavy repercution talent

And switch off when you have around 35% haste

[sage briar]

OK, nice. I already switched to into the fray once I hit 20% haste so I just did it sooner than expected. Thanks @sharp gale

[sharp gale]

When you feel ready to go into the fray, switch do a key or two, and decide if it’s enough haste for you

Don’t think before 35% haste

[pallid quiver]

HR guarantees you to have 100% SB uptime unless you hate Shield Slam

No necessary stats or anything

[sage briar]

It feels I'm almost at 100% but a bit shy out of it which is bad because I then get smacked really hard. Way more than expected with 631 ilvl and 16% versa

[pallid quiver]

That's only 8% DR, anyhow

[sage briar]

8% is a nice number though.

[sharp gale]

And block is 40-50% DR however it is calculated (from what you can hover in char panel)

[sage briar]

Yeah that's why I am aiming for 100% uptime. I mean it's a one way street.

Thank you both for you insights

[sharp gale]

Just, the more you chainpull, the more haste you need

because 35% is the range to have 100% active uptime

[lean topaz]

Which weapon enchant is best for Mythic+ for prot?

[strong forum]

around 35% is when ITF pops the fuck off from my experience, but with around 18k haste is when you can kinda get by with ITF

[sweet summit]

skyholds favourite video or something

[strong forum]

cuz it is

[sharp gale]

Yeah I prefer to say 35% because it’s a shit ton of haste that will take people half season to get it and they will play HR

[strong forum]

if you dont get why

then you cant call yourself a warrior main

[sweet summit]

👴

[strong forum]

aintnoway

[sweet summit]

horrible design

[strong forum]

idc about the design

its not about 99 stack jugg

its about doing phat fucking execute damage

[sharp gale]

I didn’t play wow so I don’t know that’s basically why

[sweet summit]

I know, i'm just doing a small amount of tomfoolery

[strong forum]

happy

[sharp gale]

99 jug is crazy

[strong forum]

yeah but thats not the missing information

the video is self explanatory really

but yes fury jugg used to stack up to 99 in legion

[sharp gale]

Yep I saw it a while ago, but who cares about things in the past

[strong forum]

brother.

[sharp gale]

The past is forever dead

[pallid quiver]

WE NEED TO RETURN TO THAT

[strong forum]

its about the HYPE

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

nothing better than going into execute as arms rn with pre-stacked jugg

[pallid quiver]

I really miss being able to be like "yeah just wait 'til execute phase tho"

[sharp gale]

I never played arms

I basically only played prot until TWW

[sweet summit]

execute being a terrible execute is funny as hell to me

[strong forum]

yeah...

DF was a grim time...

but now we're back

did someone say execute damage?

[sweet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[maiden forge]

Waiting for a raid fight that starts at 20% that u just bring prot warriors instead of DPS warriors to

[sharp gale]

Taloc in uldir started very low

But first boss

[maiden forge]

Need more of that

[sharp gale]

Condemn was fun ?

I don’t remember a lot

[maiden forge]

Nah

[pallid quiver]

We need less fights like Sylv

Every time a fight like that comes out, I speed up the meteor that will end life on Earth

[sharp gale]

Nah the dinosaurs inside earth will end life in my opinion

[maiden forge]

Just release a boss that ends at 50%, but they only have 1 hp, and their health bar is just an absorb shield

[pallid quiver]

not if blizz keeps making fights i don't get to execute in

[maiden forge]

So you can still execute

[sharp gale]

A boss with just a shield

[maiden forge]

Yes

Devastation evokers be damned (they would hate the fight lol)

[pallid quiver]

That seems like a them problem

[maiden forge]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

Give them a tier set : their mastery is reversed, at this patch

[maiden forge]

Though they would need the boss to probably be at like 15% hp, so you couldnt just bring 20 brewmasters to just touch of death at the beginning and annihilate the boss

[maiden forge]

Lol, lmao

[sharp gale]

You made me think how much I hate galeburst effects (old touch of death)

[untold wave]

Currently got hero shield and one-hand, Im thinking about getting crafted shield and pick one hand from vault. Weapon is haste/vers dunno what to do xD

[sweet summit]

do you wanna do a bit more damage or be a bit more tanky

[untold wave]

Yeah, Imma do the raid first then decide

[sweet summit]

best of luck 🫡

[vagrant echo]

you doing many keys?

i'd get the shield

if you push keys

[untold wave]

Pretty much the only thing i do is keys and trying to push

[vagrant echo]

now that crest cap is gone people will start out gearing 13's and 14's more

but you still get hit really hard in 14's

[plush tendon]

Id take shield

hope for the crit haste wep off 3rd boss

but thats just me

we havnt seen the shield drop once in our raid

[vagrant echo]

same

the game hates me

no myth sac vault yet :(((((((((

no myth trinket of note at all yet unfortunately

[sweet summit]

you get the loot you deserve

[vagrant echo]

boooooooooo

[sweet summit]

[vagrant echo]

is the switch to collosus that big? haven't really toyed around with it at all

[sweet summit]

it's quite the damage increase but if you're doing content that hits hard you will notice a difference in how tanky you are

[muted arch]

Any tips for mythic silken court?

[sweet summit]

it's fun if you're premade doing weekly keys pulling a bajillion mobs and doing ten bajillion dps

[vagrant echo]

but is the rotation different?

does it play different

or is it a brainless swap

[sweet summit]

yea you kinda just slam revenge

a lot less thunder clap

a bit less shield slam

[heavy sparrow]

I have that same mace

Take the weapon and if you kill the raid bosses weekly you can hope for the shield then

Don't craft your items, it's a waste of gilded crests

[blazing zinc]

Hello, what would you recommend for Ara's first pull as Prot Warrior? I'm currently working on +15 Ara and I'm not sure if it's best to 1st pull everything EXCEPT for the mini boss. OR pull everything except for the 1/2 caster packs and include mini boss, or pull all.... any recommendations? 😂

Also, crafting a Cloak should be better than a Ring right? 🙏

ty for any tips! ❤️

[pallid quiver]

pull everything to first miniboss, no balls

If you can, that's what you want to aim for

There's minimal reason to not go quite that far as long as you're able

[blazing zinc]

but without lust it seems a bit scary having so many casters in a pug scenario

[pallid quiver]

i mean you lust it

[blazing zinc]

I started lusting 1st boss in the higher keys

1st boss seems so annoying for everyone

and I noticed the high key pushers also started lusting 1st boss instead

with lust yes, it felt fine (with a DK who can grip casters ideally) but without it, not so sure 😂

[charred ivy]

Why do I always see DPS die when I try these kind of pulls :x

[pallid quiver]

Because DPS hate interrupting

Since it'd stop them from doing "muh deeps"

Don't ask why the melee DPS is using that as an excuse to not press Pummel

[fluid widget]

Pretty sure the removal of the crest cap doesn’t do anything

[violet ginkgo]

Btw... what if the improved kick talent just become baseline?

I think every class got some right? just make those baseline

[pallid quiver]

That's not gonna make anyone who's not pressing it press it

[violet ginkgo]

well I mean for warrior if you manage to interupt they get bonus damage sooo...

more muh deeps

[pallid quiver]

You see, the people saying that

are already just not pressing their buttons and getting outDPS'd by the tank

and by that, i mean the tank's ST DPS while in AOE

[blazing zinc]

Would you rather craft 636 cloak with best stats or use a NO-haste cloak 639? I have Vault with Troggstitched Drape (crit/master) and Swarmcaller's Shroud (vers/crit) and not sure if I should use that or craft a haste cloak 😂

[pallid quiver]

I'd throw it at the sims to answer for me

[blazing zinc]

those just check dps right?

[pallid quiver]

ye

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah as always

[pallid quiver]

Stats are all close enough defensively

So you might as well maximize DPS

As long as you have stats, you can live whatever you're gonna live

[unique mauve]

anyone have a macro for switching between battle stance and defensive stance using one button?

[pallid quiver]

Should be one in pins, still, I feel;

let me check first

that one, yeah

[unique mauve]

ty mate

[blazing zinc]

thank you @pallid quiver @violet ginkgo

[tardy abyss]

You can sheep/hex/whatever one caster and pull it a bit later

[formal breach]

Is it even worth using atp? 3% crit feels so negligible

[pallid quiver]

Just got kicked on my Shaman from Heroic Ansurek for not being 639

what they don't know is that i was the one doing mechs

God speed to those folks

[formal breach]

Who in tf is clearing Heroic Ansurak at 639?????

[pallid quiver]

I mean, it's what you need for Ansurek

[jagged gust]

That's low balling it tbh

[pallid quiver]

That's why some guy bitched me out for being "1/8" and for being at 606 ilvl

Which is an interesting take on the first one

since i, uh

Was in the raid from the start

[formal breach]

[pallid quiver]

So apparently I didn't really kill those bosses

Unlike CHAD THUNDERCOCK, WIELDER OF THE THUNDERCOCK

[jagged gust]

Did they... just not have raider.io installed?

They didn't catch anything fishy about your linked main?

yeesh

[pallid quiver]

Main's been at 7/8

But one of the guys said he got to 635 in two hours

And I should quit playing the game

All an interesting take

I just reported; I'm not particularly fussed, they can go have their spergasm over there

But then a lot of those people wonder why people don't play this game, and why I actively discourage people from playing WoW, even though I think the game is fun

[jagged gust]

Some people need a place to be goblins, wow was their choice apparently

[pallid quiver]

WoW's always fostered a community like this

[novel temple]

Fuck. I don’t even have time to finish heroic for aotc

[pallid quiver]

It's only gotten worse because the bad parts of the community keep turning people away

[jagged gust]

eh, you've got both ends of the spectrum in the same world, depends on who you encounter first that guides you I think. When I first started I got invited to a random guild and they sent me free hats in the mail and held weekly picnics in Westfall

[pallid quiver]

I'm more saying you don't get that as much these days because the more popular mindset is the above

[muted arch]

Any tips for mythic silkin court?

[jagged gust]

true enough, nowadays you have to actively seek those communities out

[novel temple]

Fuck. I haven’t had time to even get aotc yet. How can I get into pugging mythic? I’m about to leave the boat so I’ll have more time

[pallid quiver]

What specific issues are you having, or are you looking for things to watch out for ahead of time?

[pallid quiver]

Easiest way is to know people

Otherwise, to have pugged or progged mythic already

This late into a season, it's a little difficult to get in without knowing people due to the gatekeeping culture

Again, people will kick you from Heroic for not being 63x

[muted arch]

The latter, starting prog tn

[pallid quiver]

You can get into groups otherwise, but it's normally sheer luck of the draw or low quality groups then

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend checking out Sense's kill video on his Youtube channel, then; it's Prot War PoV and you can get an idea how an early kill of it went before nerfs

[muted arch]

Right on thanks!

[pallid quiver]

In terms of damage coming in tank wise, iirc it's still mostly the same sources as from Heroic

they just hurt more

Oh, also, you have to taunt swap beetle boy

Race to World First were figuring out non-tank swap strats and blizz didn't like that

so piercing strike on mythic increases damage taken by 1000%

It also persists through death for a random aside

[violet ginkgo]

I am still kind of annoyed with the mythic lockout system

I mean they change it now that myth raid is cross realm why not making it like normal/heroic

[pallid quiver]

Part of it comes from the fact that they design Mythic with the intent that it won't be pugged

If you pug it, neat, but they specifically design it as if you're not pugging it

[steep condor]

are you guys in battle stance most of the time in keys and just going defensive stance as a defensive cooldoown?

[pallid quiver]

That's the way you want to see it, but

With how you only lose 3% crit,

The DR generally enables you to pull more than the 3% gives you damage

[jagged gust]

I completely dropped stance dancing this season tbh

[pallid quiver]

Since more mobs equals more damage for group and even yourself

[cyan bronze]

I’m usually in glad stance

[steep condor]

ahh ok

[pallid quiver]

You can pretty safely sit in B Stance on pretty much all bosses, though, until bad times happen

[steep condor]

but based on what you said i might as well just stay in defensive

[pallid quiver]

And then there's bosses like Siege 1st boss where if you're not in Battle Stance, like

why

So a good rule of thumb is B Stance on Bosses, D Stance otherwise

[steep condor]

ahh ok thanks very much

[pallid quiver]

do remember to swap to d stance for busters, though

some of them can kinda hurt sometimes

[steep condor]

okey dokey. thx

i also struggle to remember when to use spell block

cos i dont really iknow when im taking magic vs physical dmg

[pallid quiver]

Almost everything that actually hurts you this season has a magical component

On top of that, all the things in the above category are also spell blockable

This includes almost every tank buster

Off the top of my head, only Ansurek Feast, Gorge, Sikran Exposes, and Extraction Strike are not spell blockable for notable abilities

Oh, and the bleeds from adds at the start of Siege

[steep condor]

hmm so i can just spell block when shield wall is on cd for tank busters pretty much

[jagged gust]

I wish I had a clip from earlier in the season of me coaching a guildie in DB. I'm like "this boss really hurts, get defensive for her beam." Him: "What beam, you mean this beam?" Not him getting instantly 1 shot .5 seconds later.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah; for some, you can time it so spell block can actually cover two instances

Since SpBlock lasts 30 seconds

which is an eternity by def CD standards

[steep condor]

cool. will play more prot warr in s2 and learn this more then.. atm im primarily playing it when i get bored of trying to get in to fury keys but its very fun 🙂

[heavy sparrow]

This may be a dumb question

But

Is poison magic?

[novel temple]

I sort of wish spell block was a passive like holy shield for pallies but also to be the defensive passive option for that talent slot

[unreal sage]

hi folks would you rather wear that one or swarmlord but on champion track?

[novel temple]

Yeah, even getting into heroic is awful

Sort of wish the gatekeeping culture would go to the wayside

[jagged gust]

Nature damage I would assume

[maiden forge]

Poison tends to be nature damage

Which is magic damage ye

[pallid quiver]

It won't ever, since there's no teaching culture. There's no real learning groups that aren't established by just knowing people. So people need a way for people who just want to casually do runs to try and clear things.

The problem is that the largest majority of the playerbase can't vet for shit and human beings don't like to believe they're wrong or bad in any way, so you get people vetting for things that mean minimal amounts and wouldn't be able to vet for things that actually matter.

It's fine if people just want a smooth run

It's not fine to shout at someone using racial slurs because they're lower ilvl than you and you just can't comprehend literally everyone playing the game the exact same as you

[sweet summit]

there's also way too much to learn

[jagged gust]

I just put on a stern dad voice and tell people I'm very disappointed in their actions tonight

[pallid quiver]

yeah that'll go real well with the chronically mentally 14-yeard edge lords who are 40 but haven't learned how to talk to another human being without throwing a temper tantrum

[maiden forge]

That's why you just need to make some friend's, so you don't have to pug

[pallid quiver]

Almost all the friends I make are already in guilds, and I cannot be assed to play this game on a schedule

Besides, half the reason I play at this point is to bring pug stories to my non WoW-playing friends

We have a very good time laughing at the community

[maiden forge]

Just drag irl friends into this hell

[pallid quiver]

I would never

Unless I get 9 other people I know to all play at the same time

[maiden forge]

spread the suffering

[pallid quiver]

I would never subject people I know to the WoW community

As a whole, I think it's the most toxic gaming community I've ever seen. Worse than moba stuff, even

[maiden forge]

It's pretty toxic yeah

Blizz just needs to institute commends after keys finish

You can commend people after the key, and it shows their number of commends whenever they sign up for a key

[pallid quiver]

Something more positive reinforcing would be nice, but I can't think of a system that wouldn't get gamed by people

[jagged gust]

PVE I honestly don't encounter too much toxicity, it's the PVPers that scare me

[pallid quiver]

It'd be pretty easy to just buy commends

[jagged gust]

I swear those people must've been born in a 4chan server

[pallid quiver]

There's a non-zero amount of them who WERE like backbones of 4chan threads

and still are

So that's not inaccurate

[maiden forge]

True, but I still think a system like commends could help a bit

At least something in the game that helps measure if a player is toxic or not could help

[strange obsidian]

It would probably better to make repairs not cost 3 morbillion gold over the course of a week of m+

Or make gear degrade wayyyy slower than it does rn

[maiden forge]

Just be a blacksmith

[strange obsidian]

[maiden forge]

Infinite free repairs

[jagged gust]

That'd work a bit better if I didn't swap characters every season

[cyan bronze]

Get full indestructible gear every tier? dumbasses

[maiden forge]

Nah, it's good to keep fotm contained

Too many people badly playing the fotm specs

[cyan bronze]

warrior fotm

[jagged gust]

How do I play prot war? Proceeds to ignore everything you say because they're already playing perfectly and it's actually the healer's fault they keep dying

I miss it

[maiden forge]

[ocean finch]

Spare Meat Hook Myth from vault, is it any good or just a bait? Got Sacbrood 626 and Spelunker 619 right now.

Worth taking trinket or just accept another socket slot?

[jagged gust]

https://bloodmallet.com/ use for making general assumptions
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot use to verify assumption

[chilly brook]

AFAIK it’s a decent single target trinket

[pallid quiver]

It'll probably be better overall

[maiden forge]

Meathook to replace the spelunker probably

[pallid quiver]

Could be better than Sacbrood depending on fight times, as well

[maiden forge]

Yeah

[ocean finch]

I only play M+

[pallid quiver]

It still applies

[maiden forge]

The raw str is probably better than spelunker

[ocean finch]

So an only ST trinket would be devalued for that purpose

[pallid quiver]

Depending on length of your pulls/bosses

[maiden forge]

I'd just sim

[pallid quiver]

It's pretty much always a sim question, though it gets harder to sim for M+ well

[maiden forge]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

Not entirely

Depending on dungeon it can be valuable

[vocal cave]

any spellblock sheet for raid?

[tardy abyss]

Pins

[vocal cave]

the dot on kyveza is blockable huh

[waxen frigate]

https://youtu.be/6i3R5CyW_KU?si=8vnQcOj897nfvlfv @yogi idk what yogis name is anymore

[unborn island]

So I have M Khardos, H Skarmorak and H Orator's larynx.

Which combination would you take?

(M+ exclusively)

[tardy abyss]

Whatever sims best, which is probably Khardos + Skarmorak

You could alternate the on use with avatar

[unborn island]

Are Sims actually useful for us these days? Back when I used to take things seriously they were....kinda bullshit 🙂

[tardy abyss]

Damage is usually the only thing that matters so theyre usable yes

But how far back then was that

[unborn island]

Legion - maybe they weren't completely BS but there was a lot of Comms on here that they were at least a bit useless

[mighty valley]

might not've been a committed apl writer back then

[tardy abyss]

For tanks, maybe? I didnt tank at all back then, but they were good for dps at the time

ye

[jagged pier]

brah they were useful back in mop

[tardy abyss]

When did sims become a thing anyway

Cata? MoP?

[jagged pier]

always been a thing

just when did they get good

[tardy abyss]

I started in cata but I never heard of them until WoD or Legion I believe

[unborn island]

Think people started doing an app back in legion for tanks, but it wasn't perfect, and it was near the end of the xpac.

Apl*

Especially because rage gen was weird

Anyways, cheers I'll sim it now 🙂

[pallid quiver]

There were sims as early as Wrath iirc, but the ones I'm aware of weren't good

They were fine by MoP, but not commonplace

[mortal pecan]

I will say from the few discords I've been in, this one seems like the most friendly/helpful.

[jagged pier]

[mortal pecan]

@pallid quiver has been beyond helpful with all of my stupid ass questions. Being the first time i've done any mythics and first time playing tank, I have a lot of questions.

[grave island]

So, I have a question. Why when I mash shield block whenever is up I get 65% uptime for dungeon? When I open some top players logs it says between 80-85% percent uptime on shield block

[unborn island]

Are you using ITF or Heavy Repercussions?

[jagged pier]

we need logs but u probably arent pressing buttons correctly

[grave island]

I've specced into the fray. I am new to prot and still gearing currently like 600 ilv

[pallid quiver]

If you're just sending as soon as it's up, without haste, and into the fray, you're gonna run into some big gaps in block uptime

yep, i knew it on the ITF

ITF is a sacrifice for SB uptime in exchange for damage unless you have a lot of haste

[pallid quiver]

I personally do my best to try and be the opposite and be helpful to most people here to counter the culture. I enjoy it more, anyhow

[grave island]

So I guess I should run Heavey Rep until I get decent gear?

Or if I want to play into the fray how is it correct to press SB

[mortal pecan]

well it's appreciated. A lot of people want things to be better but they won't act accordingly. So thanks for going beyond.

[stoic rose]

what % of haste would b considered the proper amount before taking ITF

[pallid quiver]

It's roughly 30-40% haste, before buffs, so like 20k rating iirc? To run ITF. The exact amount depends on dungeon/familiarity/etc

It's also

not a very big DPS increase, ngl

So if you're having any trouble at all, I'd just default to HR

[stoic rose]

thank you

[pallid quiver]

It removes SB management pretty much entirely

I think last I heard Nome spitball, it was 6% in AOE optimally, with full stacks

I could also just be completely dum and misremembering

in which case he'll call me stupid if he sees that

[grave island]

Ye, so it's not optimal. Currently sitting at 7k haste XD

[maiden forge]

Oof, need way more haste

[pallid quiver]

I actually have haste this season

It's whack

[stoic rose]

i have about 14k haste right now and with heavy repercussions im close to 90% uptime

[mortal pecan]

Is there a good vers number to shoot for

[grave island]

Thank you for advice. Prot is rly fun, played dk for this season but dying on pull randomly feels bad and the yo-yo on hp bar could be fun but not when you get 1-2'd for example in Siege of Boralus

[maiden forge]

Bdk is rough after the tank changes at the end of dragonflight

[stoic rose]

yea im loving prot, feels better as a tank imo to reduce incoming damage by a lot rather than the dk style of just healing it back afterwards

[pale badge]

Anyone have tips for surviving first big pull on NW? I seem to run in and tank well for 20s or so then fall over dead on 12s

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/46V1zQKkbG7ngF3m?fight=last

[stoic rose]

i feel it depends on the healer, cuz ive run nw lots and most of the time im fine pulling the first 3-4 grps together, but othertimes i get swatted and the only difference is the healer class/spec

not trying to blame the healer for the problem but i think certain class/spec combos perform better on that pull

[pallid quiver]

I'm currently going over some logs for someone else atm, but I can look at that in a bit

[pale badge]

Seems tough for healer though because i'm hanging out pretty static at 60% then just go to 0

but yeah if i'm topped off, maybe that's the play

[pale badge]

really appreciate it, absolutely no rush!

[tardy abyss]

No because you just stack vers or crit with haste

[stoic rose]

idk if its the proper way to play or not but i run the double shieldwall talent so on that pull i pop one when i charge in and used my cds to get threat on the pack and then once the shield wall is about to drop i will either use last stand or the 2nd shield wall depending on where im at on health

[pale badge]

that seems like a good solution to exactly this pull

[pallid quiver]

That is one of the pulls that makes a good argument for double shield wall

Like, the only one iirc

[pale badge]

i like that a lot actually

[tardy abyss]

Yeah it is the only one

[pallid quiver]

I thiiiiink there's damage that can be mitigated by spell block as well, though

But I haven't looked at damage profiles in dungos in a hot minute

[pale badge]

sounds like a W for blizz's ostensible design philosophy lol

[tardy abyss]

Barely

[pale badge]

gonna move talents for just that pull

[tardy abyss]

The vanguards stack damage which is why they hit so hard with their attacks

And that's all that there is to that big pull lol

[pale badge]

is there a way to mitigate that at all, like with soothes? Or does dps just have to be a lil better than the 2 gray parses I was going with

[tardy abyss]

I believe soothe works?

I don't play that pull like that but do a different hard pull later on, where spellblock does good work

And it works for us just fine

That pull also becomes significantly easier if you play with a team

[stoic rose]

spellblock is good to use on that pull as well i think, iirc there are 2-3 casters depending on how you pull it and the buff has a 30sec uptime

[tardy abyss]

Your average pug healer can't smell when you need an external

[pallid quiver]

your average pug healer will just sit on their externals

unless they're a mistweaver

they will throw that shit out on a dime

I have been life cocooned so many times in my life

and i'm like

"bro i'm at 98%"

[tardy abyss]

Tbf it has no cd

But yeah agree lol

A good healer remembers where tanks tend to take a lot of damage

[pallid quiver]

idgaf where tanks take damage

i remember where the DPS are going to brainrot stand in swirlies

[stoic rose]

anyone else have threat issues when a fistweaver pops jade lightning? ive had it happen a few times that i will charge in, pop ravager, demo shout, and thunderclap, and then immediately lose threat on half the targets cuz of a monk's jade lightning

[pallid quiver]

So the first thing I noticed is that you've got like 85% blocked hits for the duration of the key; You've got like 95% with shield block up, so there's times where you're getting clipped in the back.

It also looks like you didn't health pot at all, which can help stablize. Some of the hits you took for like 2 mil didn't kill you, and you were already kinda low beforehand

A lot of your missing blocked hits probably come from the time period after the first brez, though I haven't checked specifically

Also, lust seems like it took a hot minute to come out

[mighty valley]

some pretty weird priorities in the timeline, you've pressed IP twice before shield block ever

[pallid quiver]

It looks like you were taking damage for a solid 10s before lust ever came out

So it feels like the pull was probably a bit hectic overall on start

[mighty valley]

your offensive CDs are kinda scattered

[pallid quiver]

The shield use appears to have overlapped with about half of your shield wall, as well

You get more overall mitigation not stacking CDs, so if your party didn't need it, you could have held off for a few more seconds

You also might want to talk to your healers before keys and ask them to use externals (if they have them, rip RSham) once the pull is gathered, just to help you out. It looks like there wasn't a plan for the Weaver's Life Cocoon, so they popped it for themselves

[pale badge]

yeah i might as well hit the button

[pallid quiver]

The person taking the most directed damage in this pull setup is actually the tank, so they get the most use out of externals here from what I remember

[pale badge]

this is super helpful, thanks so much!

[pale badge]

what is "the shield use?"

oh from the item on the ground?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the item

I didn't see who used it

but someone did, since you had the buff up for a time period

[mighty valley]

your revenge casts in other dungeons seem kinda insane lol, are you prioritizing it over TC?

[pale badge]

i don't believe so

but somethign for me to pay attention to for sure

[mighty valley]

yeah, especially during avatar when tc is up every other gcd

you're throwing in revenges, probably just the chaos of the pull etc

[lofty warren]

Why did they uncap crests without fixing the actual problem that the # of crests given is lower than what the costs are

[vestal moat]

If we have the mythic Rashanan cloak which locks out an embellishment, is it better to just forego an entire embellishment or go down item level on weapon (cant get dawnthread) or on bracers and belt to get 2 embellishments?

[jagged pier]

U go bracers and belt

[narrow karma]

Looking for good spell reflect WA that works in dungeons as well as raids

[lofty warren]

Look on wago there is one

[stoic rose]

i use https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9/12

[cerulean vine]

Elo so I had a quick question. I thought about replacing Intimidating Shout for instead using Honed Reflexes and wanted some opinions if this is a valid swap or no in higher keys.

[wicked pollen]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/mythic-improvements-coming-next-week-in-11-0-7-2027344

[mighty valley]

The shield slam part of honed reflexes barely matters since it resets so often, so it’s basically one second off interrupt, which imo is a lot weaker than another stop

Even if stops aren’t as good as they were last expansion

[cerulean vine]

That's fair thank you. Why I was asking is I'm kind of at the point where I feel like now I really need to start understanding my talent trees a bit better for higher keys and I've been trying to look at other peoples builds, some of them feel very off the wall.

[mighty valley]

What weird choices are you seeing?

[cerulean vine]

Well I did see a build where instead of Mountain Thane they used Colossus which I know is also definitely an option, but they would instead use the Thunderous Roar with Honed Reflexes and Defender's Aegis. I'm probably just missing something, but just on paper I guess it feels very opposite of what you should be doing.

I guess my biggest confusion to start is that wouldn't Impenetrable Wall put Shield Wall off cd quicker than using Defender's Aegis?

[mighty valley]

Yeah — aegis is only good if there’s some giant pull you’re doing that saves a ton of time if you can survive it and double shield wall is the only way to get through

Otherwise it’s less rage and less total shield walls across the key

So basically imp wall should be the default and you should know why you’re taking the other one

(most people who take it are just copying some high key player without knowing why)

[cerulean vine]

So I'm assuming as an example is a big pull at the start of Grim Batol up to the drakes you ride would be a good example of using Aegis?

[mighty valley]

Yeah maybe, start of necrotic wake is a really common one

[cerulean vine]

I probably won't be touching that anytime soon then honestly lol. I'm just now clearing 10s in M+. Anyways, my other question was about Colossus as I haven't really touched it or if I should even try it to be honest because from what I see it's mostly just a damaging build.

[pallid quiver]

Colossus just does dam in exchange for notable amounts of defensive strength

You generate a lot less rage, which means less IP and less AM resets of Shield Wall

[deft mortar]

Ait

I bought a new laptop, big upgrade since 2019

Turns out integrated GPUs do better than my 2019 laptops stand-alone GPU lmao

And also got a 32 inch 4K monitor

so I am back

Did anything change since Nov 15?

[sick sentinel]

mini-patch next week.

[smoky anvil]

Crests get less toxic. New ring to grind that’s bigly. Otherwise, same old.

[deft mortar]

It rly seems the avg performance of the Mythic 10 group fell

Noticably in a month

[violet ginkgo]

how will it be less toxic again?

[shrewd grove]

Less punishing if you don't time a key. Before, not timing a key meant you basically wasted your time

Now it's just 4 fewer

[violet ginkgo]

ah so 12 is complete and 8 if fail timed?

well I guess that is better indeed

[pallid quiver]

You get more crests for doing harder keys, as well

[tropic linden]

Hey, just saw the recent news about crests. Why the change to 639 to 636 to get the achievement? Just to make it easier? There is any rational behind it?

[pallid quiver]

Because having two slots crafted with embels is effectively full gear

so you're not stuck in the RNG pits fishing for random gear pieces just to get full ilvl

It's the reasoning they gave in the blue post

[cyan bronze]

cus m+ players effectively can't get it

is another part

[tropic linden]

oh, crafted is 636? that makes sense

[pallid quiver]

If you don't agree or what-not, take that up with Blizz

[tropic linden]

Nah, just wanted to understand better

[cyan bronze]

yah

it was like

kinda rly fucked

[craggy harness]

is there a way of being sure that an attack is a melee/ranged attack for the purposes of intervening? will there be a flag seen in wowhead? Asking for example for tankbusters like savage assault.

[tame jasper]

Do I understand it correctly that season 2 starts next werk with 11.0.7 (and therefor I only have one werk left to somehow kill zekvir on ?? 🙈)

[mighty valley]

Nope, season 2 will start with 11.1

well, a week or two after 11.1 drops

[tame jasper]

So the blue post is meant as „we change it now to see how it workes out and maybe continue it in S2“?

[cyan bronze]

Did you read the blue post

[sweet summit]

so instead of needing a bajillion keys on my alts i only need 80?

[tame jasper]

Yes and it is confusing me.

[sweet summit]

immediate change that will continue in to season 2

[cyan bronze]

It’s ~2.5x as fast to get crafts

[sweet summit]

I am immune to propaganda

my feelings don't care about facts

[sharp gale]

It is propaganda, 636 change for harbinger is the only relevant thing

And reduction of crest cost for 636, thank god I need 2 less dungeon for this craft

Out of a billion dungeon

[violet ginkgo]

question is why blizz always like this.

Player gone, POE2 coming up then they be like "We fix it we fix it, please comeback." How about just fix it before player left?

[sick nova]

Do you save time skipping the buffs in CoT? Had a tank in a +13 tell me it was minimal. I feel like the 15% DPS and HPS on the pack before the boss is not really minimal

[sweet summit]

what the

do you backtrack to get the buff on the boss or just grabbing the buff as you go

[jagged pier]

Dont worry u can still play poe 2 the new ring aint good as it stands so .7 patch its a shkip

[sick nova]

Well we got the first one like normal and on the second one you can usually pick it up on your way to the pack on the right. We didn't so I thought we might just take the extra 5 seconds to get it for the Swarmguard and Herald pack before the boss but we didn't.

I was just asking here cause he said it was minimal but I really don't see how 10 seconds for a 15% hps and dps boost with CDs is minimal

[sweet summit]

i get the 2nd one and skip the left pack and go right into the mobs just before the boss with the buff

I haven't thought a lot about getting the buff and pulling right side so idk

[sick nova]

He was saying its a waste of time and that it is quicker to just pull without the buff since you don't have to wait to get it

He said you have to "stay for 5 to 10" to get the buff

Which is clearly just wrong its like 3 seconds lol

[sweet summit]

hard for me to say, but you're wasting more time pulling right pack than waiting for buff

[sick nova]

It was even funnier because everyone in the group but me ran for the buff and he just ran ahead and pulled without anyone

I asked why he didn't want the 15% buff and he hit me with the "you want to tank?"

[sweet summit]

lol

[tardy abyss]

Lmao

I always run straight to the double miniboss with the buff

And there it is big

[chilly brook]

I mean no? It’s overall a good change period. Getting more crests for doing higher keys is good. Only losing 4 crests from whatever you would have gotten at the end of the dungeon if you did time it is a good change.

It’s even better that this is also going to be the way it is going into season 2 when it’s all relevant for you again.

[sharp gale]

Would you farm crests in 12s on your dogshit alts ?

I would not personally

[chilly brook]

And it’s not just “2 dungeons less” it’s technically 3 dungeons less, which also has other knock on effects

That just means when we’re capped again going into season 2, you’re not wasting a whole weeks worth of crests on just one craft

[sharp gale]

But the miss of the tuning is too late

[chilly brook]

Define “dogshit” cuz I was starting to do 12s on my warrior at 615

[sharp gale]

I don’t feel good doing push content before getting gear ( my personal opinion experience etc)

[chilly brook]

Regardless. Again, while it might not be great timing for this season it is also the way it is going to be for season 2

Which is good

It’s a w change in general

[sharp gale]

I didn’t thought about next season

It depends on tracks ranks (on crafted gear costing 60)

If it fires back

[chilly brook]

Wdym

They already stated this is how it will be in s2

[sharp gale]

It cost less then upgrade a myth track to max