you have no idea how much damage your teams gonna do
#protection
knotty pewter
tardy abyss
What healer do you play with?
knotty pewter
resto shaman
tardy abyss
Ah that sucks
tardy abyss
Having PS makes everything so much easier
sweet summit
link best exernal :chatting:
jagged pier
1 shield block cast in that whole minute 
Well that 15 seconds
Bit longer hard to tell on phone
knotty pewter
yeah im not debating it anymore with you. its an 80% dr for 8s that is clucth in a number of places this season and in other places helps make up for mistakes which is a common thing that humans do
sweet summit
95% blocked hits and blocked all bone claws on first pull. he played well
knotty pewter
people debating me on it didnt seem to know the buff uptime of 80% dr is the true value and that its not about one shots and instead about sustained damage
this was all stuff I thought was a given
sweet summit
knotty pewter
even in DB. i deliberately try to not proc it on first boss so i can have it for the 4 X Shadowstalker pull immediately after
it has value all over the place. if you dont see it dont use it. I see it and I see it in logs and in practice. you call it feelycraft thats fine.
jagged pier
95% blocked hits and blocked all bone claws on first pull. he played well
True but dont know if the filter done something sus if u look at the ss way above there is no shield.block aura against anything in that time period.
knotty pewter
its bobas. he knows what hes doing
even then. im sure he makes mistakes just like everyone and in that case its nice the key didnt brick since he had bsv
jagged pier
yer but its also the niche sceranio where i said its good. and less than a minute in even with ITF u should have down time until 2 mins. and hes probably lusting that pull so not having it up is kinda a massive miss play
sweet summit
True but dont know if the filter done something sus if u look at the ss way abov...
yeah idk why it's like that lol
jagged pier
he also only cast SW once yet is running the double talent also good for that pull
sweet summit
yer but its also the niche sceranio where i said its good. and less than a minut...
first pull SB uptime
jagged pier
almost like i said in a 15/16+ NW earlier its the niche sceranio 
i was more wondering about the 'its saved me multiple times over multiple keys' but if just get random other ppl logs
just the second time he procs it, its just cause retch which he doesnt mitigate it looks like
third time he just drops low and its procs then when hes got the buff he also presses SW 
why not press SW before hand
Forth time he just drops low 3 times around the same time from faking unmitigated physical attacks from what i can tell just one time he drops to 30 and it procs then the time after he drops to like 5% 
small bone
Ring or weapon to max craft? Which is of greater worth?
jagged pier
wep will give u more for sure, but if your likely to get a myth track wep from anywhere then ring
small bone
I don't think I will be getting a mythic track weapon unless I get uber lucky in the GV.
sweet egret
I was comparing some logs between my prot war and my friends prot pally and we seem to be doing basically the same dps, we are both doing between something like 650k-750k for 12-13 keys
anyone have any idea if I'm doing good dmg and also how much more a paladin should be doing? afaik they should be far ahead?
ionic nimbus
Would say depends which Key you r playing, but paladin should easily beat your dps
sweet egret
I didn't check all keys, but I checked some mists, siege and dawnbreaker
not trying to research just thought I'd compare
ionic nimbus
Just sayin that u should not compare mists and ara for example.
sweet egret
no, I compared the same dungeon naturally
ionic nimbus
Pala should outdps ya
sweet summit
that is low from both of you, but yeah pala should be doing more than you
sweet egret
but from those 3 dungeons I looked at the dps was in the same range
ionic nimbus
Guess 900k-1000k should be average
sweet egret
for a paladin or warrior?
wicked pollen
warrior
ionic nimbus
Warrior
wicked pollen
paladin should be like 1.4
sweet summit
I don't think they do that much more after the nerfs or
sweet egret
my details often say 900k-1m dps but logs say different
sweet summit
logs count start of key to end of key. details count in combat
sweet egret
yes, but you're saying I should be at 1m per logs?
ionic nimbus
Then your dps should be fine
sweet egret
this is what it looks like in wcl but I'm sure there are lots of people not logging keys
hence why I'm asking
wicked pollen
i have word in from pala player
sweet summit
what is the word
wicked pollen
sweet egret
this is points for dmg?
sweet summit
that is damage done yeah
wicked pollen
idk how i got the damage right
sweet egret
but my dmg is ok atleast?
wicked pollen
could be higher
sweet egret
which level keys does it count? or does it just go for highest dmg no matter the key level
sweet summit
like this for my mists
sweet egret
idgaf about my dmg in 10 keys
sweet summit
thats all i care about in 10 keys 😎
sweet egret
sure, but I mean it's not pressed for time
wicked pollen
sweet egret
I generally play colossus yolo in 10
sweet egret
u mean not punish? and not aoe?
wicked pollen
u mean not punish? and not aoe?
wicked pollen
i think im at the point where im only going to do 10s as colo with 0 defensives
to actually feel something
fluid widget
1 is colo with swordish
What’s a swordish
jagged gust
A dude
jagged gust
@dull relic
how are you?
dull relic
1 is colo with swordish
what
wicked pollen
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hdAa5Hjdr8oVMVQZjH65zD
crank
dull relic
wicked pollen
swordish my carry
strong forum
i sim over 900k
sweet egret
single target?
remote anchor
17 target aoe actually
keen leaf
mad queens mandate, send it or fish for executes?
silent path
do you guys like colossus for m+ ?
wooden widget
It can get a little spicier but it’s fun
heavy eagle
what is the best dps spec if i main prot but want to minimize the amount of gear swapping?
wooden widget
Arms
Just cuz fury likes mastery more than us
But you can be more than fine with just equipping highest ilvl and maybe some mastery heavy jewelry.
sick sentinel
I miss prot DPS quasi-spec.
wicked pollen
Just cuz fury likes mastery more than us
colo arms plays crit mast
its mainly slayer arms that plays crit haste
long kayak
show of force or sudden death, i cant really decide, the executes are nice but i feel like i would get more dmg out of the run with show of force
pallid quiver
If you're playing Thane, Revenge should be a really low source of damage, and it's on the same row for Thunderlord, which has a lot of value in M+ for Thane with the number of claps
You're also casting a lot more claps than Revenge, so it just doesn't get the buff that often
long kayak
i'm running thunderlord
pallid quiver
Then you're pulling talents from something else you shouldn't
The only thing possible to swap out that's not hardlocked is if you're not using Spell Block for whatever reason, which has value in almost every single dungeon, or Bloodsurge, which is a better talent still
long kayak
ok then.. 😦 back to Bloodsurge it is then
pallid quiver
It has very good value and is your main source of scaling with pullsize
The larger the pull, the faster you can cycle rage for more Avatar uptime if you're looking for damage
long kayak
thank you for the input
tardy abyss
I feel like pwar is one of the specs where people ignore guides the most ngl
pallid quiver
People ignore or misread the guides for all specs
tardy abyss
Definitely wasn't that bad when I played any of the three hunter specs
Same for rogue
Arms is also not that bad
pallid quiver
That's bias, since I definitely have seen a ton of hunters playing very wrong
tardy abyss
But here we get more questions that shouldn't be asked than the other way around
blazing zinc
Hello, may I please ask - how many Skarmorak shards should be left alive? I saw a video of +17 Stonevault and they only kille 4/6 shards. Is this overall the way to go? In my runs I noticed we usually can kill 5/6 if we focus on it but the 6th one is usually very sketchy. Is it better to only kill 4/6? What do you think? Thank you very much for any tips!
tardy abyss
You try to kill as many as possible
Often the 6th is too hard at some point, could be the same for 5th at a super high level
But keep in mind on +17 or whatever it is a coordinated group
blazing zinc
ty, I'm pugging Stone 13/14 and 6th feels unrealistic usually so was wondering if killing only 4 would make pugging it easier 😂
tardy abyss
On that level 5 are pretty easy to kill
blazing zinc
aight
and I noticed sometimes pugs don't take orbs much
besides doing less healing as a healer and not doing extra damage to shield
does anything else "bad" happen if you miss an orb or two?
remote anchor
shield on boss gets bigger
jolly sedge
Morning / Afternoon..
Quick question. been looking over some top prot players and i have noticed their vers is so low. is there a reason they do this besides the obvious of more output?
remote anchor
vers doesnt matter
jolly sedge
So as prot if you go with low vers it doesnt affect you as much as other tank classes? or are thgey that good they dont need to worry too much about vers?
remote anchor
So as prot if you go with low vers it doesnt affect you as much as other tank cl...
you will never die because your vers is too low
jolly sedge
you will never die because your vers is too low
Thank you.
pallid quiver
So as prot if you go with low vers it doesnt affect you as much as other tank cl...
Vers isn't particularly meaningful for any tank defensively
It takes a lot of rating to get percents of vers as compared to other stats
For Prot War in particular, all the stats are close enough defensively that it doesn't make a real major difference
So generally, you sim for sheer DPS
There's not anything unique you can do, either, like ensuring 100% spell block for busters like with Prot Pal
jolly sedge
oh ok.. that makes sense. Thank you.
pallid quiver
You'll normally see a ton of the top key pushers, when they're playing Prot War, go Haste/Vers
Mostly just because vers make tank, it reduce dot damage
Which it does, but it won't ever be a meaningful amount considering the damage difference between key levels
jolly sedge
ok yeah... tbh ill be lucky to be tanking 12's so i might go with less vers.. Thank you.
sweet egret
The only thing possible to swap out that's not hardlocked is if you're not using...
I think I have that point in disrupting shout? bloodsurge is empty and I don't see any available point to take it 😦
sweet egret
does anything else "bad" happen if you miss an orb or two?
afaik nothing happens, I am pretty sure the ark man is referring to the shards
sweet summit
missing orb is less damage on shield or less healing
sweet egret
at the same time, taking too many orbs is dangerous because they do damage to you
mild swallow
Do you guys happen to have a -good- Ignore Pain weakaura? One that states clearly how much absorb you got going on?
pallid quiver
I think I have that point in disrupting shout? bloodsurge is empty and I don't s...
Bloodsurge is the least impactful point to take away for Disrupting, but it's the same arguments I made above
I generally don't find disrupting to enable any pulls, so I don't see reason to pick it in my situation
sweet egret
I just find my pugs often missing interrupts and at 13-14 stray bolts kill the rest of the group
and it also helps me gather casters in bigger pulls
I like it
pallid quiver
It'd have to be a single interrupt you're missing, or all the casts are synced, otherwise you're spending a talent point on a pummel charge on almost a minute CD, while giving up AOE Taunt
It's not a bad talent,
Especially since AOE Stops/Stuns/Etc are lower valued now,
sweet egret
it does aoe taunt too
pallid quiver
But it has costs
sweet egret
but you mean the opportunity
sweet egret
start of pulls it's nice
pallid quiver
If you use it as an AOE taunt, you miss out on the interrupt benefit. If you use it as an interrupt, you can't use it to help secure aggro while gathering/someone bursts/etc
sturdy heart
oh ok.. that makes sense. Thank you.
Verse also increases your damage and healing done. Which if you have a lot of leech will help sustain you as well.
tardy abyss
Verse also increases your damage and healing done. Which if you have a lot of le...
That's kept in mind when comparing stats, still doesn't make it necessarily better than crit
ebon sandal
if a tank buster has both physical and magic dmg, does normal block only negate physical dmg while taking full magic dmg?
cinder marsh
yo i took a break for a little bit of S1 now im back, how good is the crafted 1h sword for us
like can that still be BIS?
specifically everforged long sword
cinder marsh
ok well i gearing up a prot war what sword/shield should i be aiming for then
no this guy is fresh
wooden widget
Oh ok. Keep opening your vault as prot
The 1h from raid has good secondaries. But any mythic 1hander is good
cinder marsh
from NW?
wooden widget
If you’re m+ only idk the loot pool very well. But secondaries are less important than ilvl on your sword and board.
broken shoal
like can that still be BIS?
Realistically 3 ilvls isn't going to make a difference you'll ever notice
tardy abyss
if a tank buster has both physical and magic dmg, does normal block only negate ...
Yes
raw oracle
If you’re fresh, it’s hard to say no to the 619 shield craft imo. Cheap enough that you aren’t breaking the bank if you replace it quickly but also easy to target for upgrade later if it’s not dropping on the mythic track.
tardy abyss
Shield is the biggest upgrade you can make, on a new char you should get it right away
Esp on 636
Even if other slots are worse
cinder marsh
cause like im all for bis
but i also like just crafting a good sword and shield and be done with it
now im not going far
just 2500
violet ginkgo
you will go far for sure.
lunar plover
Had a question about Ansurek P2 - It looks like Sense is negating the wrests on the platforms and I'm just wondering how he's doing that?
I checked for intervene/charge casts but didn't see any
cunning oriole
Why is Duskthread Lining x2 better than Darkmoon Sigil: Asc + WAB? Between chain pulling and longer boss fights, it seems like +1800 random secondary stat would be better than 1500 vers most of the time.
warm plinth
Well, you have forced downtime in some dungeons, which then means another minute 20 to ramp it back up
Whereas lining comes back as soon as you get back above 80%
So unless you're changing gear between dungeons or something so you use the other embellishment, then idk
sweet summit
ascendance is pretty good but you're forced to run 636 weppy for it which is not ideal
mortal pecan
wouldn't https://www.wowhead.com/item=225589/nether-bountys-greatbelt be better than the somber belt listed on the M+ BIS list?
warm plinth
Oh I didn't realize it was weapon only either
sweet summit
wouldn't https://www.wowhead.com/item=225589/nether-bountys-greatbelt be better ...
no, because it's from the raid
mortal pecan
no, because it's from the raid
weird, i've never run the raid
warm plinth
Did you do the timewalking quest
cunning oriole
ascendance is pretty good but you're forced to run 636 weppy for it which is not...
Thanks, I'm a long way from that 639 Myth wep from Sik
mortal pecan
Did you do the timewalking quest
maybe thats what it is. lol now it makes sense.
warm plinth
Yeah, timewalking event and weekly dungeon event both give raid gear
from the box at the end
sweet summit
Thanks, I'm a long way from that 639 Myth wep from Sik
m+ vault can also give 639. that's where i got mine 
mortal pecan
thanks, i was so confused trying to follow the BIS list but the haste is so much better on this belt
mortal pecan
m+ vault can also give 639. that's where i got mine <:okayge:917646812519739433>
prob this honestly
sweet summit
i recommend using raidbots' top gear sims and not following the bis lists
mortal pecan
i recommend using raidbots' top gear sims and not following the bis lists
ok i'll look at that
warm plinth
BiS lists assume you have all the other items on the bis list
mortal pecan
bis lists are turbo outdated and sims really own
even though it says tanks and healers not really optimal?
sweet summit
vast majority of the "tankyness" of the spec comes from gameplay and not gear
warm plinth
Tank survival is like 95% gameplay and the rest is ilevel, to put it simply
sweet summit
yep
wicked pollen
how much damage it does within a certain time period on a certain amount of targets
warm plinth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r8iG5jsME8N9FHVzFbH8Rq
Alright so top right corner
This tells you that you simmed a 5 minute fight with 1 boss, and patchwerk means that you basically just stood toe to toe the entire time with no downtime
(It's called that because that's how the actual boss Patchwerk was back in Naxxramas)
The icons are the buffs you have enabled, which in raid you'd generally want as many as possible, but as long as you're consistent in your selections, the comparison will still be viable.
Now you can look down here to see the comparison between your current gear, and various changes that will be better than what you have equipped. The ones in blue are considered "side-grades"
So it looks like in your sim, you have it set to add sockets to your gear, which unless you can add sockets, you should probably disable
It can make things confusing otherwise
In this instance, it's basically not comparing anything except your gear with and without gems
I'm assuming you just typed in your name/realm and simmed that way?
oh no this is a top gear, ok
mighty valley
yeah, for top gear, you want to look over your character and select multiple options on slots you're deciding between
or if you import from simc after opening your vault, you can also auto-add all those options to the list
mortal pecan
Alright so top right corner
Yeah I have to go through it again. It's a bit overwhelming and unclear for me.
mortal pecan
yeah, for top gear, you want to look over your character and select multiple opt...
I'll have to figure out how to compare pieces
strong forum
What about it
strong forum
Ah yes
final surge
Hi guys can u help me with Prot war? Im returner(10years no play) i want play War again.Can u send md most important Macros and Addons what i need it now.TYVM
sweet egret
why doesn't intervene always work on blightbones heaving retch?
is it when I move more than 10 yards away from my friend?
(there is no reason to move from the friend since you take the damage regardless of if you're standing in the wave or not?)
jagged gust
Yeah it's a distance thing
10 yards is incredibly small
for the first one at least, looks like you didn't intervene on the second death and intervened several seconds earlier and didn't have it up for the third death
scarlet stone
No you take no damage if you move out of the front. Ideally you move in to boss hit box to avoid the retch and your party member stays in melee range in front.
distant thicket
is it ever worth to go into berserker stance
since u do reduced damage with defensive
jagged gust
For prot it's called battle stance, the answer is yes if incoming damage is negligible and you want to min/max your damage, also defensive stance no longer reduces your own damage since the start of this xpac
distant thicket
oh shit wtf
pallid quiver
Yeah, no berserker stance for Prot, either. So it's 3% crit if you're in Battle
Which is
3% crit
Technically, you should default to Battle and swap to Def Stance as needed, but
you're really not missing out on that much being in def stance perma
mortal pecan
When looking at logs, what key stats and numbers should I be keeping an eye on?
Shield block uptime
Rage management
CPM in general?
pallid quiver
% of hits blocked, which you can see under the Damage Taken tab and hovering over melee hits (or other blockable abilities, but melee will give you the overview)
Rage gen/waste
CPM and what you're prioritizing
Under damage done, click on Outburst in the Source Aura filter to sort by abilities cast with Outburst and count how many were sent on Thunder Clap; you want that as close to 0 as possible
Those are the main immediate things
After that, you can check for defensive usage and use the timeline feature to see how you're sending your casts
mortal pecan
Any goal numbers for these stats
mortal pecan
% of hits blocked, which you can see under the Damage Taken tab and hovering ove...
In a recent run I had 18 Outbursts on TC and 29 on SS but more damage on TC, why shouldn't you use Outburst on TC?
jagged gust
It's a damage thing, TC needs a lot of targets before it's worth sending outburst on
as opposed to TB which only really needs 2+ or SS which is always good due to rage gen
mortal pecan
It's a damage thing, TC needs a lot of targets before it's worth sending outburs...
But if I'm doing more damage with less casts wouldn't that be a good thing
jagged gust
rage gen
SS is worth several times more rage than TC, rage = healing and damage, it's just harder to quantify
Also there is in fact a point where you'd prefer to TC over SS, I want to say somewhere in the range of ~8 mobs, might be closer to 5? I can't recall any of the numbers thrown around at start of season anymore
From a pure DPS perspective
Oh yeah, with thane it lowers it down to half that mob count to 4+
mortal pecan
Oh yeah, with thane it lowers it down to half that mob count to 4+
So outburst on TC/TB with 4+ mobs, otherwise outburst on SS
warm plinth
You use TB on 2+ targets
mortal pecan
What's a good overall CPM goal and what CPM for individual abilities
proud plank
that’s directly correlated to ur haste and isn’t really something that can be generalized is it
warm plinth
CPM is not really a goal. And different scenarios can cause different results. Focus on pressing what you're supposed to press, when you're supposed to press it. That will achieve whatever CPM you need unless you're literally standing there not pressing anything
mortal pecan
CPM is not really a goal. And different scenarios can cause different results. ...
What do you pay attention to on the logs then?
warm plinth
Rage waste, where abilities are on the breakdown, blocked hits
jagged gust
8% unblocked hits, pretty good. a lot of wasted rage from SS, equal to as much rage lost from every other ability you used. Overall rage lost was ~1k, not perfect but still the equivalent of over 10 full rage bars and 4 VOs.
mortal pecan
So just work on rage management
jagged gust
Yeah. You're kinda borderline ITF territory, have you considered swapping to a haste flask and changing talents?
Also one of the few times I'd recommend Swarmlords Authority
Would up your apm by quite a bit
shrewd grove
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2483naRBpg9DrT6K#fight=1
Demo Shout before you use your damage CDs. You want to Ravager before charging in.
Ravager>charge>tclap>ava/racial>demo>SC>spear
At start of key, you pulled a pack and tclapped, and then proceeded to do 0 damage for about 6 full seconds. In better groups you'll lose threat in that time.
mortal pecan
Also one of the few times I'd recommend Swarmlords Authority
I don't raid
mortal pecan
Yeah. You're kinda borderline ITF territory, have you considered swapping to a h...
I could try this
mortal pecan
Demo Shout before you use your damage CDs. You want to Ravager before charging i...
Thanks
shrewd grove
You also need to revisit the rotation page a bit
Your priority should look like this:
Cast Shield Slam
If Shield Slam is on CD, press TClap
If Shield Slam AND TClap are both on CD, press revenge
Use IP ONLY when your next SS would make you overcap on Rage
There are multiple times where I see you clap/blast twice in a row with no revenge between, or you clap while SS is off CD
SS is button numero uno
mortal pecan
There are multiple times where I see you clap/blast twice in a row with no reven...
i usually use clap avatar clap when it's up
shrewd grove
It's a DPS/rage gen loss AFAIK but it can help if you're struggling to hold threat at the start of big pulls I suppose
mortal pecan
At start of key, you pulled a pack and tclapped, and then proceeded to do 0 dam...
Definitely need to sharpen my opener. I like to Shield Charge for first button to get my shield block asap
shrewd grove
Avatar/charge/clap is enough for SB
mortal pecan
Demo Shout before you use your damage CDs. You want to Ravager before charging i...
Am i losing out on dps if I ravager before the demo?
shrewd grove
Not really. You may end up missing a tick of damage, but due to travel time on it you're usually fine
mortal pecan
Yeah. You're kinda borderline ITF territory, have you considered swapping to a h...
Is it flask of tempered swiftness?
violet ginkgo
You also need to revisit the rotation page a bit
Your priority should look lik...
I thought we cast IP everytime the rage is 70+?
shrewd grove
I thought we cast IP everytime the rage is 70+?
At 70 rage a SS with Outburst will overcap you
shut mulch
Good evening fellow warriors, I could use some help with Mythic Ky'veza. She is kicking my but as a prot warrior. Any suggestions?
shrewd grove
Check Lorrgs for defensive CD rotation. She's a pretty straight forward dance. Just hits like a fucking truck
violet ginkgo
do you think tank need more way to deal with crazy number of dots which can't be dispelled in general?
hearty terrace
Hey trying to toss up If I main prot war. what draw you to the spec? 🙂 trying to find some pros and cons
mighty valley
theme for me tbh. everything just goes "thunk" and feels chunky
also the mobility is v fun
also i've been playing it 20 years
hexed stream
anyone do their weeklies as colosus? it's not strictly worse right? just a bit less tanky? dunno why but something gets be going spamming revenge
hearty terrace
theme for me tbh. everything just goes "thunk" and feels chunky
Okey sounds good thanks mate like me playing Mw for 12 years 😂
obsidian girder
Hey guys, tanked my first +8 yesterday (ilvl 612). Got pretty much beat up by enforcers in GB. I guess face tanking is a bad idea here, right ?
tardy abyss
Hey guys, tanked my first +8 yesterday (ilvl 612). Got pretty much beat up by en...
Yep
obsidian girder
So chain cc or run for your life
tardy abyss
Gotta cc and/or start kiting at around 6 stacks
obsidian girder
👍
mighty valley
Watch their buff stacks, cc or walk away when they’re high, reengage when the buff falls off
blazing zinc
Hello, in Ara the 2nd mini boss (the one with the AoE) I noticed he sometimes somehow gets stunned before his AoE goes off - does anyone know who and how does this stun? Thank you very much!
sweet summit
it's the tailoring buff thing. need at least 25 tww tailoring to use it. i think it's a 1.5 sec hasted cast but i've never used it myself so i'm not sure
16(?) second stun on an enemy. can even use oppressing roar to double it
if you open MDT you can see the square web icons. mouseover them for more accurate information
there's one a bit south-east of the 1st minoboss and one south-west of the 3rd i believe
it doesn't skip any casts, just delays them
blazing zinc
nice!
slim pier
My wife keeps grouping with a dps warrior
I'm leveling as prot. I want to play warrior how it should be played: tanking dungeons and smashing heads with my shield. I'm solo self found, so it's a bit tough & I've fallen behind a few levels. I enjoy being able to play with my wife's mage. I thought playing together would bring us closer.
She met a friend while leveling in higher level zones. He only plays DPS warrior. She keeps insisting he groups with us. I can hear her laughing at the stuff he whispers to her while we're dungeoning. He was able to level more quickly than me because he kept getting the best 2h weapon he could find and killing mobs. It's especially annoying because he constantly pulls mobs off of me. I tell him to wait for threat, but he says stuff like "the honeybadger pulls when he wants!" and just uses the rage from their attacks to do even more damage. He constantly talks about his Mercedes and goes "Mind if I roll NEED" in a goblin voice whenever tank gear drops.
After we do dungeons together, my wife will often go in a private "DPS only" call with him to compare their meters. Sometimes she will stay in that call for an hour or more. She locks her door while she's in it. I baked cookies for us and tried to share them. She told me to just slide them under the door one by one. I felt pathetic doing it.
Does anyone have any tips on how I can catch up in leveling? I want to be high enough level to not worry about this stuff anymore.
blazing zinc
it's the tailoring buff thing. need at least 25 tww tailoring to use it. i think...
most of these dungeon special "buffs" have multiple possible requirements --- for example profession but also class or spec - for this one do you know if Tailoring is the only way?
And while at it, I think I noticed a glowing "machine" next to Skarmorak - is this also some special profession thing or something? Thank you again!
sharp gale
My wife keeps grouping with a dps warrior
I'm leveling as prot. I want to play ...
I don’t think it’s game tips you need, nice ref of him for the honeybadger
And I guess it’s about classic, threat is a mechanic throughout the all game
thorny trench
sharp gale
I got baited
slim pier
sweet summit
most of these dungeon special "buffs" have multiple possible requirements --- fo...
only tailoring in ara kara afaik.
in stonevault there is an iron ingot that dwarf/dark iton dwarf/warriors can interact with that give 10% vers but it's on the duo boss side
in CoT there are statues that give damage and healing buff that rogue/priest/engi can interact with
in mists there are gates+seeds that night elf/tauren/hm tauren/herbalists can open
I don't remember the rest, if there are any, off the top of my head but wowhead definitely has a post on it
mdt has all of them marked so you can look for them and their requirements there too
sharp gale
First I thought who the fuck post that long messages, I still read all of it
violet ginkgo
I got baited
I’ll bait you more soon enough
cedar kite
My wife keeps grouping with a dps warrior
I'm leveling as prot. I want to play ...
“I told you to put your shield on, get in the corner of the dungeon and watch us dps together. Look at the size of his sword. You can’t dps like he does.” 🤐😂 When she posts “LFM”, she doesn’t mean you!
slim pier
sharp gale
Yes the comments are really good
Im just reading more, too bad Reddit is not really a French thing we use (or when I was in high school) a French website for brainrot type shit
sweet egret
No you take no damage if you move out of the front. Ideally you move in to boss ...
wrong, if you intervene you should be taking the hit for the ally
blazing zinc
only tailoring in ara kara afaik.
in stonevault there is an iron ingot that dwar...
Thank you!
sinful spire
Is a 636 Ceaseless swarmgland going to be more useful that a 619 silken chain?
And does swarmgland beat aggression module for dps?
pallid quiver
For the first question, in content where you'd want to run a defensive trinket,
no, not really
Silken's main defensive benefit is that it scales with the content you're doing; it's not limited by a hard number, as it just reduces the number of auto-attacks you take in general, which is the strongest portion of its effect. It then also trickles away some of the damage coming in otherwise. The main sacrifice with Silken is lower damage potential, since it's ilvl capped from being delve based and it has no damage effect component, just the main stat.
Second, I'll admit I don't know; if you're picking those trinkets, you're likely aiming for defensive trinkets instead of offensive trinkets, all of which aren't particularly amazing offensively (and defensively, for that matter), so there's generally pretty minor differences.
I would wager it does considering swarmgland at least has a damage effect component, while aggression module doesn't, and they both give mainstat, so
strong forum
^
patent orbit
anyone do their weeklies as colosus? it's not strictly worse right? just a bit ...
I almost exclusively play collosus except in certain delves. (I don't do any keys). I honestly like it more, it's only slightly less tanky and the dps is so much better. The only downside: it can be easy to get rage starved if you aren't watching your IP casts
I think it's mostly played less since it's AOE is not as good as Thane and the rotation is a bit different
sharp gale
They should have added a hero talent that do the opposite of thane as fury (whirlwind replaces clap and still have demolish/revenge be a thing)
Maybe if they add the third hero talent tree missing of each spec next expac they will do it
sweet summit
They should have added a hero talent that do the opposite of thane as fury (whir...
they should not !
sharp gale
they should not !
I just want to see new buttons, and demolish is an animation lock spell that doesn’t look good/feel good to press, I like colos gameplay just because revenge goes brrrr
sweet summit
whirlwind is not the answer...
violet ginkgo
what will be the answer then
sharp gale
Any answer is an answer, I always choose the laziest one, because that’s the best I can hope from blizz
If you hope for the bottom thing first, you will be less disappointed
sweet summit
what will be the answer then
neltharion's fury
idk i just want something to interact with crit block
pallid quiver
whirlwind is not the answer...
But hear me out,
Whirlwin MAX
sweet summit
storm of blades 🤯
sharp gale
neltharion's fury <:warriorbrain:1083190485637660734>
Yes like that, spells/effect who already existed are lazy, so hope on those thing coming back first, the less work they will do in my opinion
sweet summit
i'm all for recycling, but not theatre of pain 
sharp gale
i'm all for recycling, but not theatre of pain <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
You didn’t know, it is because goblin themed patch
sweet summit
so true oomfie
sharp gale
Tbh even workshop I didn’t understand why is it goblin themed, will they fill it with gobbos ?
sweet summit
mechagnomes evolved to mechagnoblins
sharp gale
We have been mechagnomed
sweet egret
anyone wanna help show me what happened and what could be improved for my deaths here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pXQa9bA8VfMFrmBd#fight=last&type=deaths
sharp gale
It’s funny we are being two discussing on discord to understand things on poe2 with a friend to not delete our characters after 2 hours, we didn’t even started to play
sharp gale
anyone wanna help show me what happened and what could be improved for my deaths...
Im on the phone, so can’t (don’t want) to dive to deep on wcl mobile ui, I just see basically a pack with an overseer killed you, and a second pack with an overseer killed you too
The first, what happened since I can’t see deep in logs, you didn’t take two overseers at same time ?
sweet egret
nah
sharp gale
It just killed you, was he enraged, (you have to disenrage him) and def cd on the tank buster
pallid quiver
Yeah, you kinda just ate the rive with nothing up
You should have had shield wall back, since you last used it 62 seconds prior
It's likely you're not used to Rive killing you since BSV likely normally has carried you through it,
but it kinda claps
sweet egret
I normally never use bsv
tardy abyss
Sounds more like an issue with IP - Rive isnt that dangerous
pallid quiver
You also got clipped in the back by the melees leading up to it
sharp gale
And you procced bsv 20 seconds before your death, (if I’m reading it right I don’t want to click on many things sry)
pallid quiver
Sounds more like an issue with IP - Rive isnt that dangerous
it hit him for like 6 mil or something
tardy abyss
Yeah because apparently he has no IP at all
pallid quiver
It kinda claps if you do literally nothing about it once you get to 13s and above
tardy abyss
And other than Rive theres not much damage in these packs
pallid quiver
There's a lot of damage if you're getting hit in the back for like 2 seconds before you get hit
pallid quiver
Especially if you don't press any defensives at all
pallid quiver
I don't recall off the top of my head, but Rive is blockable, right?
sweet summit
it's not
pallid quiver
Okay, cool. Couldn't remember
I haven't fussed to push, so it doesn't hurt where I'm at
sweet summit
wall/demo/LS up for most of them. not that big of a deal when you're in lust usually
pallid quiver
Well, you were at half-health, with zero defensives running other than D stance, taking hits to the back
tardy abyss
At which point a brutal strike obviously kills
Where do you see he was hit in the back
pallid quiver
On the melees, I zoomed in to the timeline leading up to the death and checked damage taken
So I could see more than just the 3 seconds
also it's pretty obvious when a single melee hits you for like 15% of your HP
sweet egret
well that should be very easy to fix
sweet summit
singular melee was unblocked but ignore pain ate it
pallid quiver
He had SB up, but only has like 80% blocked hits during that pull or so
tardy abyss
You also had your healing potion up when you died the first time
sweet egret
ye I died too fast
tardy abyss
As well as IV
pallid quiver
It's also likely you weren't focusing your shield slams on the overseer, but I haven't checked yet
tardy abyss
Rive is a tankbuster, if you see it coming up, use anything
pallid quiver
Since that applies punish to mobs
sweet egret
thanks a lot
tardy abyss
IV and pot are good to get out of such a situation
You shouldnt use those if youre not in danger, or if you know you wont need em anytime soon
Similar could be said for your 2nd death
If its the pack that I think it is, you actually shouldnt drop that low to begin with
sharp gale
ye I died too fast
I don’t mind if 1 sec is too much don’t worry but if you are 60-70 %hp you might want to pop a health pot
sweet egret
it's 2nd pull
pallid quiver
Though really, the answer is to send shield wall
There's very little reason to not send it considering the dragon ride is coming
sweet egret
yes I thought so too
tardy abyss
Can be easy to fuck up with everything thats going on there
2nd is a bitch if theyre perfectly synced and hit you at the same time
Which at least 2 of them did
Though you shouldnt have been that low hp for such a long time anyway
Could be partially blamed on the healer
pallid quiver
he was really only low for half a second
tardy abyss
2nd death?
pallid quiver
oh
tardy abyss
He was half hp for an eternity
pallid quiver
I was looking at the first
sweet summit
pulling without the healer might not be the best idea
and if it is you need to be aware
tardy abyss
The healer couldnt have saved him from his first death
sweet summit
this is 2nd
pallid quiver
yeah, he had like, 1 cast
That entire time, now that I'm looking at the cast breakdown
tardy abyss
Was a chaotic start for sure
pallid quiver
He gave a riptide before he went
tardy abyss
GB is really painful to play with pugs
pallid quiver
I'm assuming since a riptide was sent at like the start of you being low, you probably leaped and then charged; let's see if I'm right
Well, there was a charge; with where I'm zoomed, I don't see no leap, so off the hook on that one atm
sweet egret
😄
sweet summit
there was no leap
pallid quiver
Yeah, zoomed out further to check
no leap
Closest was the one at 1:46
But 2nd death timeframe starts around 2:15
sweet summit
healer "kinda" got there in time now that i check more but had to move for ground aoe very early so could not cast
i don't think there's a lot of counterplay from the healer there except for link
which was held for 10 minutes
for some reason
pallid quiver
SLink is scary
sweet summit
link would definitely help
pallid quiver
Resto Shamans are scared of just plopping it down
I understand the fear as someone who only pretends to resto every now and then
because what if i get someone killed
Ignore that it gives DR and a heal on plop
sweet summit
10% dr innit
pallid quiver
I think so
Either that or like 15
But just due to it being able to reduce people's health, a lot of more casual Resto players only ever put it down at specific points
Because it requires everyone to actually stand in it, and there's the fear it can kill people
sweet summit
yeah but i don't think you're casual if you zoning into a 13
i have some expectations then
pallid quiver
I think 13s are still capable of being casual on a spec
sweet summit
maybe you're right. i'm very disconnected from the pugging scene
pallid quiver
There's also differences between mindset as a player overall and spec familiarity
Just like how we mention Dorki and the like aren't literally the best people at playing Prot War specifically, but are really damn good at doing keys
also, i'm a genius of remember, it is 15% dr on SLink if you talent it
sweet summit
holy moly
pallid quiver
I kiiiiinda feel like doing stuff on one of my alts, but I can't decide between my Shaman or my Pala
erga, what do
wicked pollen
play pink
sweet summit
prot pala is super fun
idk about the other specs
but like you need haste for it to be fun
pallid quiver
i was gonna dps or heal
because i was gonna do raid
and i cba tanking raid so much atm
sweet summit
holy pala sounds interesting
pallid quiver
I'd rather do the mechanics
other than bloodbound, because that gives me a hernia doing those mechs, since it's a mech tanks have to do, and getting the other tank to do them
I kinda have been enjoying H Pala when I've gotten to touch it
I think I prefer Resto Sham myself, but it's a neat aesthetic for H Pal
it just feels like healing just kinda pops in, though, as compared to other specs. I know why it's coming in (AOE Beacon, crits and the procs, etc)
pallid quiver
I will always accidentally pop lust on R Sham
It's on the button that is usually where my dispell is on literally every other spec
i forget like every time, though
Even when I'm actively telling myself to lust
sweet summit
actual demon
pallid quiver
Alright, time to moonlight as an R Sham
pallid quiver
go play rsham 🫡
alright, we didn't even kill one boss
tardy abyss
What a success
pallid quiver
bloodbound horror continues to be the strongest gatekeeper in that raid
We love having a boss that has an actual mechanic for tanks to have to deal with early in the raid
sharp gale
tank mechanic
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's not just taunt swapping
they also gotta walk
One of the tanks we had even admitted that was too much for him, and he was being overwhelmed by the mechanics he had to deal with
sweet egret
😮
sharp gale
Yes I understand tbh, I tanked nyalotha, had so fun with Raden just because you have to move the boss
sweet egret
walking in raid
clever heart
If you pvp on prot - can I get your autograph?
strong forum
tanks are required in epic bgs
sharp gale
I took the root tc talent every ashran was funny
pallid quiver
damn, Nome coming in just made me have the revelation that I should have been playing more Prevoker
could solve the tank problems on bloodbound by just physically yanking them to where they need to be
It really was a skill issue on my part that we couldn't clear
pallid quiver
My favorite was one time when an Evoker yanked someone to an egg on Brood,
sharp gale
damn, Nome coming in just made me have the revelation that I should have been pl...
I taunted the boss tbh when I was doing it in a random guild the week we didn’t raid
strong forum
based
pallid quiver
Honestly, I was pretty impressed watching it
Whispered the Evoker after and he was just like, "Bruh, what can you do sometimes"
pallid quiver
I taunted the boss tbh when I was doing it in a random guild the week we didn’t...
i wish i had a taunt on my shaman; would solve that fight pretty ez
sharp gale
I prefer screaming on comms it usually works
When I have aggro on that spider or on fucking takazj you will hear me scream for help
pallid quiver
I scream but it normally does me no good, since I'm either not in comms at all due to pugs or in call with people who can do nothing for me
sharp gale
It adds a funny moment to prog I kinda like it
PAR PITIÉ QUE QUELQU’UN TAUNT CE PuTAIN DE BOSS
sharp gale
If I don’t’ continue next patch on my current I might try to join an English, they will learn how a French scream
tardy abyss
no way it's real word
Never seen French before?
sharp gale
Quelqu’un means someone for curiosity
Personne means someone too
Personne mean person too
sweet egret
ye I understand what it saysd
sharp gale
And it means nobody
sharp gale
Never seen French before?
Tbh even among French it is ridiculous to scream
Unless it’s a dad, it is less ridiculous
I saw a English TikTok who mocked this period because it is Spotify vrapped period
sweet summit
alright, we didn't even kill one boss
pallid quiver
It was a learning experience, Erga
We've learned that I just need to play an Evoker instead so I can force people to do mechs properly
sweet summit
too real...
violet ginkgo
damn, Nome coming in just made me have the revelation that I should have been pl...
you can also yank as priest though but maybe priest is not up to your taste?
pallid quiver
me and all my homies hate priests.
that's a lie
I actually just don't really play any cloth classes that aren't locks
I levelled a Priest past level 10 for the first time with pre-patch, actually
he's currently at like level 74 now iirc
blazing zinc
Hello, planning to try another alt (main is Prot Warrior, alt Pally) - would you recommend Guardian Druid or VDH and why? Thank you all for any suggestions! ❤️
pallid quiver
bear because I'm a DH hater
On more serious notes, Bear's closer towards the Prot War end of the scale than the BDK end of the scale, while VDH is closer to the BDK end
sweet egret
is the scale for good looks?
pallid quiver
Meaning that their mit is more towards actually mitting compared to healing it back off
pallid quiver
is the scale for good looks?
The scale is topped off between Prot War on one end and BDK on the other in terms of how their main rotational mit works
Prot War is one extreme, where self-healing is fairly minimal because you mitigate so much up front,
While BDK is the other extreme, where you mitigate the least damage overall, instead healing it back to stay alive
The other specs are all somewhere on the scale, where the more upfront mit you have, the less self-healing. The more self-healing, the more damage you take overall
They're just different ways to design tanks
It's why a lot of people who play Prot War feel very squishy going to tanks like BDK, VDH, or even Prot Pal sometimes, as they're meant to take more damage to their HP bar
but they solve that problem by healing it back
mortal pecan
@pallid quiver is prot pal still highest m+ tank? Do you think prot warrior is just not currently designed to scale as good as pallies or is it just a player issue
sweet egret
they just do more dmg?
sharp gale
Im also a dh hater, my 1 button macro doesn’t have dh icon for nothing
pallid quiver
Mostly they do more damage and have more tools to solve what bricks keys
But mostly they do more damage
More damage means you can do bigger pulls, since they'll die before you run out of stops
sharp gale
Yes scaling doesn’t mean much since 99% rely on the next tuning patch
tardy abyss
They dont do that much more damage if you keep the war buff in mind
Their utility is just a lot better
pallid quiver
And that's the easiest way to enable higher keys is to pull bigger, since you'd need less CDs, get more done with the same number of stops, etc
sharp gale
I am convinced utility is just a buzzword that holds no validation
It is not buzzword for coordinate group, but meta is driven by them
pallid quiver
I am convinced utility is just a buzzword that holds no validation
The real utility is the extreme degen shit people find in order to bring the highest DPS classes all the time
If you gotta find a way for people to live in order to bring the highest DPS classes, by golly will you find something
Honestly, utility matters more for the mid-tier player imo, since they're not gonna be as desperately clinging to find solutions to problems, so upfront blatant ones work fine
tropic linden
I am convinced utility is just a buzzword that holds no validation
Just look at Aug, tons of utility, as soon as it wasn't 1# DPS, got axed from meta
sweet summit
Honestly, utility matters more for the mid-tier player imo, since they're not go...
w take i think
tropic linden
U can always survive, but dmg cap is the real problem here
sharp gale
Just look at Aug, tons of utility, as soon as it wasn't 1# DPS, got axed from me...
Aug isn’t still meta ?
weary saddle
anybody use Dracthyr protwar? I've been imagining what its like to glide > leap > charge. I'd be in the next country immediately after key starts
raw oracle
I mean, in fairness, augs are still in all but less than a handful of the top 100 keys completed so… idk if not meta is the right term here.
weary saddle
aug is only good if nobody dies. if someone dies, aug is a liability
weary saddle
in low keys, aug is low return, high risk
raw oracle
That’s fair
sharp gale
By not a lot, in low keys you don’t care about meta, you don’t even need a bl
weary saddle
there are very few augs in pug queues. most augs play only in fixed teams
waxen frigate
By not a lot, in low keys you don’t care about meta, you don’t even need a bl
You don’t need a BL for world first keys, as we see basically every season. Lust classes are just often meta regardless
sweet summit
is that sarcasm or real
sharp gale
Tbh you might be right, my friend did a season without BL and still rank 1 on his spec and really good keys (not r1 keys tho)
waxen frigate
is that sarcasm or real
It’s real lmao you can go back to any season and see comps without BL doing bleeding edge keys
Drums are worse sure but lust isn’t make or break generally. The actual dps profiles are
sharp gale
Monk tank, Druid heal, fury war, sub rogue and sp in season 1 of DF, I found which season it was
28 court of star
Highest cos is 29
waxen frigate
It’s most seasons. Maybe not by the end as people reroll and burn out but you can definitely push keys without lust
sharp gale
Or dogshit comp (not really dogshit but only non meta classes that you make work together)
grim pilot
It’s real lmao you can go back to any season and see comps without BL doing blee...
it also depends on what classes
not just "bl is w.e"
some specs get much more than others
so the value rises or lowers
double outlaw + fury / triple outlaw gained fuckall from bl so yeah
waxen frigate
it also depends on what classes
Yeah but a lot of the BL loving specs also are the ones bringing it
violet ginkgo
It's why a lot of people who play Prot War feel _very_ squishy going to tanks li...
Well True. I don't know how the calculation or mitigation works but at least during DF S4 I felt that difference. My warrior take something like 100-200k auto from boss raid then suddenly tried to play BDK and the boss raid auto got into about 500-600k range.
It was quite mini heart attack, I know I can heal it back since BDK designed that way but... damn the number jump is shocking.
pallid quiver
Yeah, BDK also gets blood shield, which people often forget about, so they take that damage, but it doesn't necessarily go into their HP bar persay
they have a whole bundle of absorb they've built up from pressing death strike
placid oar
Hi guys for a higher Dawnbreak key, how do we survive a Umbral Rush from the add? That spell trucks
sweet summit
spell block it
placid oar
okay thank you!
urban portal
Well True. I don't know how the calculation or mitigation works but at least dur...
Yeah that’s the design
But people don’t like prot war because it’s harder to “fix” a mistake
I think prot war pressing nothing is as tanky as bdk with bone shield up
blazing zinc
Hello, I'm wondering for City of Threads - if we need to use invis potions to skip the pack before 1st boss, is it worth losing combat potion or is it bette to clear the extra pack? What do you think? (if our group doesn't have stealth/skip abilities for it)
blazing zinc
yes sir
dusky canopy
I’ve seen routes posted skipping that pack but idk if it’s worth
sweet summit
never pull that pack
you will die
skip it with pot/mind soothe/shroud/sleep walk or go right side
upbeat minnow
Do u guys always take best ilvl upgrade from vault or is replacing an item with bad stats to another with best stats also good ?
sweet summit
double caster + herald very cool and epic and nice and good
dusky canopy
I think he’s asking about skipping this pack
sweet summit
Do u guys always take best ilvl upgrade from vault or is replacing an item with ...
short answer no
long answer it depends
sweet summit
I think he’s asking about skipping this pack
there is no 2nd buff there
upbeat minnow
short answer no
long answer it depends
Its for my alt so not sure .. Options are : finger 603 bad stats to 616 best stas OR shield 606 to 616 (same stats)
blazing zinc
skip it with pot/mind soothe/shroud/sleep walk or go right side
ty!
sweet summit
Its for my alt so not sure .. Options are : finger 603 bad stats to 616 best sta...
best short term is shield
blazing zinc
The scale is topped off between Prot War on one end and BDK on the other in term...
Where does Brewmaster belong on that scale? It feels a bit unique 🤔
sweet egret
middle
sweet summit
best short term is shield
but like depends on if you can farm 8s for crests or 7s for hero track gear too
upbeat minnow
but like depends on if you can farm 8s for crests or 7s for hero track gear too
Just started doing 7's so 8 is not far away.
cyan bronze
Where does Brewmaster belong on that scale? It feels a bit unique 🤔
Middle yeah but they have the nice thing of stagger
sweet egret
I think he’s asking about skipping this pack
that pack is not dangerous and would be a pain in the ass to skip?
sweet summit
Just started doing 7's so 8 is not far away.
sick, you'll get hero gear from all of that so i don't think that vault decision is too big impact. i'd take shield for the extra defensive value
upbeat minnow
sick, you'll get hero gear from all of that so i don't think that vault decision...
Ok will do , thanks for the advice !
cyan bronze
I think he’s asking about skipping this pack
I don’t see anyone skip this
sweet summit
and if you did where would you get count from 
cyan bronze
There’s a lot
sweet egret
count is free in that dungeon
sweet summit
There’s a lot
of shitty mobs yeah
sweet egret
but there is no point skipping
cyan bronze
Not rly
sweet egret
all mobs after 2nd boss are very easy
cyan bronze
Soothe skipping by 2nd buff is standard
sweet egret
yes
cyan bronze
Or common
sweet egret
but we are talking about the other pack now, right
sweet summit
I was talking about the one brew crossed in the screenshot
cyan bronze
Oh
sweet egret
me too
cyan bronze
I’m just schizophrenic yes
sweet egret
yes
dusky canopy
there is no 2nd buff there
Correct, I think his question was “is it worth it to skip the pack before 1st boss”
And I would say no I don’t think you want to skip that
sweet egret
how would you even skip it
sweet summit
meld tech ig?
sweet summit
Correct, I think his question was “is it worth it to skip the pack before 1st bo...
yeah it would be a lot easier to include screenshot or mdt group number in the original message
cyan bronze
Guys is it worth it to skip the first boss of city of threads it does alot of tank damage and takes along time
sweet summit
did you know you can get past the wall by 2nd boss
downside is the mobs won't spawn until you kill the boss
cyan bronze
Guys is it worth it to skip city of threads it does alot of damage and takes along long time
sweet summit
that's worth
cyan bronze
dusky canopy
You sold me on “skip city of threads”
pallid quiver
Where does Brewmaster belong on that scale? It feels a bit unique 🤔
I'm late, but yeah, Brew's pretty in the middle, along with Pala. I would technically class it as closer to the BDK/VDH end of the scale because you purify the damage you took in stagger, but it's kinda funny.
violet ginkgo
I think it will be like this?
Most Mitigate Most Healing
Warrior---Druid---Brew---Pala---VDH---BDK
pallid quiver
Pretty much, yeah
I'd personally swap Brew and Pala, but in terms of how they work, they're both pretty similar in that regard in just being the middle end of the scale, so it doesn't really matter
The main thing this scale is useful for is understanding how tanks get tuned and designed
So it's more guidelines to instruct that a hard rule
mighty valley
Guys is it worth it to skip city of threads it does alot of damage and takes alo...
Guys is it worth it to skip world of warcraft it does a lot of damage to my life and takes a long time
sweet summit
depends on %
mortal pecan
Guys is it worth it to skip world of warcraft it does a lot of damage to my life...
I just skip life
sweet summit
please don't
cyan bronze
please don’t
wicked pollen
real
lethal osprey
Is there a % where you have too much haste?
blazing zinc
@pallid quiver thank you for the discussion! Yeah I think I currently prefer the mitigation side more than the healing side. This season I'm tanking m+ for the first time ever and it's my second m+ season overall (first was DF S2, after this friends wanted a break and came back now) and I really enjoy Warrior right now. I'll try Druid next and maybe after that I'd be interested in Brewmaster - just usually ppl don't recommend Brew because they say that it takes healer's focus away from the group because it needs a lot of healing etc.
sweet summit
Is there a % where you have too much haste?
not really. even haste beyond 100% does something
ancient reef
whats the best way to farm runed switched to my prot alt and got all hero gear at 610,
sweet summit
+4 keys i guess?
sharp gale
Raid heroic clear
ancient reef
how much is a full raid clear
sharp gale
Max reps, you need 1 or 2 raid clear to be full 619
90 crest and some gilded
I think it’s the best time efficient way but not that efficient tbh 1 h for 90 is not crazy to me
violet ginkgo
raid boss is
1-6 : 10 runed
Court and Queen : 15 runed + 15 gilded.
So if you clear everything it'll be 90 runed and 30 gilded
but if after that you still need runed crest then +4 up to +7
sharp gale
But getting a weekly 10 is more important than getting runed crest, at 610 as tank (you would even be in runed crest territory in your keys)
violet ginkgo
well problem is... for weekly +10s I don't think ppl will accept 610 at this time. Probably 620 minimum for pugging
sharp gale
He will be accepted if he got main linked
He is tank
Im accepted in 8s with my healer 600
ionic fern
He will be accepted if he got main linked
I'm 618, no pug is accepting me to a 10.
sweet egret
nor should they
sweet summit
dusky canopy
I’ve been listing and running my owns 10s with my 605 ret Pali
Only 3 to go!
GB, AK and Idr the last
sweet egret
I can't believe that is real, no way you would actually get people signing
shrewd grove
I can't believe that is real, no way you would actually get people signing
You absolutely get people signing. I do it on all of my alts
ionic fern
nor should they
Jeah, 10's are too hard for anything below 635 ilvl.
waxen frigate
Jeah, 10's are too hard for anything below 635 ilvl.
Need 23% vers also at 635+
dusky canopy
They’ll kick you too if they inspect and don’t see sikran neck + rash cloak
pallid quiver
Jeah, 10's are too hard for anything below 635 ilvl.
Mwahi is 0.5 ilvl above me
A true hero
oh i replied to the wrong one
But also, you need at least 650 ilvl for 10s, actually
cyan bronze
More speed
sharp gale
im new to the game any tips on my stats
Check the pins to see what string you have to put into your pawn addon
craggy harness
Hmm, is there any downside to macroing a castsequence thunder clap, shield slam for avatar/charge/TC pulls? Downside aside from sometimes maybe using a SB you don't want to?
warm plinth
Hmm, is there any downside to macroing a castsequence thunder clap, shield slam ...
Like a macro that just does TC>SS>TC>SS and so on?
craggy harness
i was thinking /cs reset=1 Thunder Clap, Shield Block... but it seems to be wierd, maybe spell queuing
i settled for just make using it on regular thunder clap with a shift mod
warm plinth
I mean, if your GCD isn't 1 second, then it's not going to work properly
craggy harness
SB being off tho
warm plinth
Because it would reset before you could even press SS
craggy harness
SB not SS
warm plinth
Oh, why would you need a castsequence for that
I'm not suggesting you do it, but you could just have
/cast tc
/cast sb
and it would work fine
craggy harness
so i can have SB up faster in a pull... my index finger hits both thunder clap and sb, but they're not right next to each other lol (4 and t)
yeah, but I wouldn't want to SB all the time.
i guess it amounts to same, as long as use a mod
thanks
warm plinth
Are you pressing the button twice in the instance of the macro you made above?
craggy harness
I was, but i'm noting your way doesn't need that
so basically /cast tc /cast [mod:shift] sb will do what I want
warm plinth
Yeah, the mod would be the ideal way to go about it probably, since it gives you full control over when you press SB
So you could do
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Shield Block;Thunder Clap
warm plinth
Right but this isn't pressing anything in order. You just don't press Shift for SB until you have rage to use it
craggy harness
oh no
you're correct, you're previous suggestion was better
./cast Thunder Clap
./cast [mod:shift] Shield Block
warm plinth
So you could do
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Shield Block;Thunder Clap
This does that exact same thing
craggy harness
it does not
well
i assume it doesn't due to queuing
could be wrong there
easily could be wrong there
lol
warm plinth
Well, I think it's probably because you have the mod:shift after the non-mod.
Idk how that would function because it's not a normal way to write something like this
craggy harness
oh i remember
./cast [mod:shift] x; y
only casts x if you hold shift. It only tries to cast one thing
it will go to next line in macro after the first match
warm plinth
Oh, I misunderstood what you wanted. So doing it your way makes it always cast TC but also press SB when you hold shift?
craggy harness
correct
warm plinth
Gooootcha
cinder marsh
anybody know how to get the effect on your shield to where it saids, your gear cools with woven duskthread and gains 756 versatility when over 80% health?
mighty valley
so i can have SB up faster in a pull... my index finger hits both thunder clap a...
Couldn’t you just… move the keybinds
So all your most commonly used stuff is comfy and nearby
mighty valley
anybody know how to get the effect on your shield to where it saids, your gear c...
It’s a crafting embellishment, but it from the ah and add it when crafting/recrafting
cinder marsh
It’s a crafting embellishment, but it from the ah and add it when crafting/recra...
know what its called?
mighty valley
duskthread lining
cinder marsh
ok ty
civic holly
How do we spend violent outburst in aoe currently? Are we delaying 1 thunderblast charge if we are 6 or 7 stacks of SR to get the big whammy?or just send it on whatever
signal field
if i press avatar during shield charge before i hit the enemy, does it get the damage amp?
keen anvil
So, any idea if the new ring in the next patch is going to be any good?
craggy harness
Couldn’t you just… move the keybinds
It is comfy, and been like that for 8 years lol... just thinking if I can do it faster tho. Relearning that muscle memory would be annoying
violet ginkgo
So, any idea if the new ring in the next patch is going to be any good?
Apparently... not that gamebreaking.
sharp gale
So you could do
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Shield Block;Thunder Clap
How is it different to have shield block on shift+ the TC button, on your bar
warm plinth
How is it different to have shield block on shift+ the TC button, on your bar
What do you mean
It just takes up one less button space with that macro vs having one space for e.g. C and one for shift-C
sharp gale
If SB is on Shift C, and TC is on C, why would you do a macro ?
That’s my question
C is really bad now that I see
(On my heretic keyboard)
It’s my movement spell if I remember
And shift C is my heavy movement spell
sharp gale
Idk I don’t watch my bars
Maybe the top line because it has my heal pot and combat pot
warm plinth
🤷 it's a pretty common macro type
sharp gale
I was just asking tbh, to see if it can make me do one
What is the reason you do X but not Y
warm plinth
Yeah i don't have any like that. The only mod macro i have is for my kick. Shift makes it kick my focus and no shift makes it kick my target
sharp gale
I guess so because it would be a pain to do on each alt a macro because on only 1 you need it
Like Imzgine use shift Q for Shield block etc I a different char I will have to do similar a macro because I didn’t bind Shift Q on my bars
warm plinth
Yeah i have shift binds but they're just on separate buttons.
signal field
if i press avatar during shield charge before i hit the enemy, does it get the d...
anyone got an answer for this one?
sweet summit
anyone got an answer for this one?
yes it does get the damage amp
ionic fern
@warm plinth 
edgy falcon
Hello, does someone have a weakaura that properly tracks the ignore pain absorb? Maybe I am misunderstanding something but the one I have currently only display 800k absorb, tooltip states 3.2 million
wicked pollen
it stacks up 4-5 casts
so that was maybe from 1-2 casts
you shouldnt need a tracker if you are just doing your rotation
edgy falcon
I just like to see if it's up as a reminder, but I'd also like the proper absorb number. 1 cast should be 3.2m right? It only displays about 800k per cast
ohhhhhhhh it's up to 3.2m
I'm an idiot lol
ionic fern
IP max cap is 30% of your max HP.
ionic fern
Hello!
unborn island
How much dps overall are you guys doing in e.g pugged +10's?
I managed to tank them just fine and keep agro, but wondering if I need to look at things to contribute more. I'm only 619, so probably going to be a bit lower than most but looking for a ballpark)
I ask about pugs because I think damage would be way higher in a coordinated group with bigger pulls....
jagged pier
Like 1-1.2 mil but i got got shitty trinkets
pallid quiver
Also depends on the quality of your DPS, as well; if they're worse, there's more room for you to do damage constantly, so it'll inflate your scores artificially
sweet egret
also the other way around, if dps is worse, kill times are longer and your dps might fall more too
I did a 14 stonevault, in skarmorak's room, 5 sec into the pull I got aggro on the main baddie (with the tank buster and nasty aoe channel).
popped evasion but with cloak on cd and the magic dmg tank buster coming I just died.
the team then started berating me and laughing at me for not playing tricks like it was clearly the wrong choice for keys as anyone would know.. 😭
(on my rogue, naturally)
pallid quiver
also the other way around, if dps is worse, kill times are longer and your dps m...
No, that's for raid
if there's more enemies for longer, your DPS is inflated compared to the travel time and time spent on bosses
since you do more DPS in AOE
If you spend ungodly amounts of time on bosses, it'll look worse
sweet egret
only reason I would pick it is if I'm helping pulling groups to the tank
tardy abyss
How am I already world 221 with that shitty rio
sweet egret
we still do more damage at the start of a pull than 2 minutes in?
sweet egret
Rogue should never need tricks
tricks is also on a choice node where the other choice is sooo much better, especially for harder content
how many vault sockets can we add to each item? 1?
nocturne ibex
1 socket only for head bracers belt
jagged pier
How am I already world 221 with that shitty rio
Almost like everyone swapped ppala
blazing condor
But pwarr op meta!!
tardy abyss
top .1% is 3300
3284 but yeah
sweet egret
for now, next week higher
which dungeons are hardest to do high? can I see that somewhere?
jagged pier
I mean easiest way is to go to top io person see which key they have lower thsn the others
unborn island
How would that compare to what Details says?
pallid quiver
How would that compare to what Details says?
Depends on how inactive they were between pulls
jagged pier
It will always be different logs takes damage off some mobs and stufff cause its jist padding its not useful damage. Also logs include dungeon down time. So usually logs are always a bit lower. Logs also dont track SR damage as your damage
pallid quiver
Since details only counts active time
heavy sparrow
it's going to be a good week. I got into mythic+ dungeons this week instead of raiding
heavy sparrow
How much dps overall are you guys doing in e.g pugged +10's?
I managed to tank...
that can range from 2.3m (like the first pull after the first oss being down in of Ara-kara with the 3 pack) to 740k for boss fights
tardy abyss
that can range from 2.3m (like the first pull after the first oss being down in ...
Thats why they asked for overall
tardy abyss
How much dps overall are you guys doing in e.g pugged +10's?
I managed to tank...
1.2M to 1.4M (per details) - but Im also 18 ilvl up on you
dusky canopy
How much dps overall are you guys doing in e.g pugged +10's?
I managed to tank...
Nomer showed a screenshot of 1.5m in 10GB
tardy abyss
Nomer showed a screenshot of 1.5m in 10GB
Tbf he also played Colossus
heavy sparrow
I logged my first 2 10s last week, one being 11. And this week I pulled 2 more 11s and another 10 and farmed 10s for this week
Not gloating, just happy I'm catching up to everyone else lol
dusky canopy
I wish you good fortune in your vault box!
heavy sparrow
You too buddy
I got a mythic mace from vault last week and the shield from first boss mythic same week and I've been holding onto 619 sword and shield since 2nd week of expansion
dusky canopy
I mostly play fury this season but my guild fed me a mythic 1h and shield so I’ve been playing around with it
Colossus tank is pretty fun
Does big damage
dense cradle
thane as a tree just feels more natural
heavy sparrow
Colossus tank is pretty fun
Hey brew
I leveled with collussal but with the meta build thunder thane is alright
Took me awhile to get used to hitting thunderclap more than usual
dusky canopy
Oh yeah I’d definitely recommend playing thane
heavy sparrow
But I wanna get back to collosul since I miss the revenge spam
dusky canopy
I’m just foolin around
heavy sparrow
I'm specced into revenge
dusky canopy
You live way easier as thane and it does plenty of damage
heavy sparrow
You’d prefer SS ofc but it was high up on prio
It wasn't untill around item LVL 620 I started focusing more on damage rather than mitigation
Currently 632ilvl
dense cradle
Me in the reverse
since i start playing tanks for the q times
Still mind boggles me when i see people with like 40% sb uptime
and its not like their damage is great so where is the rage going
dusky canopy
You’d be suprised how common it is for people to simply not press their buttons
heavy sparrow
Still mind boggles me when i see people with like 40% sb uptime
I need to do a bit better with SB
I don't have any way to monitor it
Other than on CD
dusky canopy
You don’t care about the “uptime” of shield
heavy sparrow
I'm one of them
dusky canopy
You care about it being active during combat
dusky canopy
You absolutely want a way to monitor the shield block duration
Spamming the charges on cd will cause you to have gaps, that’s bad
heavy sparrow
Yeah I'm trying to figure out how I can tweek the size of my icon with weak aura
heavy sparrow
What's HR
dense cradle
heavy repurc
sweet summit
Yeah I'm trying to figure out how I can tweek the size of my icon with weak aura
type /wa
left click the Shield block aura
to go display
open the "position settings"
increase width and height as you see fit
heavy sparrow
@sweet summit thanks I will try it out when server is back up. I may be able to push 12s or stone vault 8 because of you
sweet summit
heavy sparrow
heavy repurc
Ohhh that. Idk man, I could but that 8% actually gives me 10% haste which brings me up to 54 or 55 when I'm food & flasked up
pallid quiver
and its not like their damage is great so where is the rage going
Generally into the ether, never to be seen again.
There's a lot of bodies who waste so much rage, I generally relay it in terms of entire rage bars wasted, because it gets people really thinking when the realized they wasted 40+ entire bars of rage
heavy sparrow
and its not like their damage is great so where is the rage going
Could be parry and shield block procs, Hekili, and lightening strike from thunderclaps
warm plinth
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Hi ily
pallid quiver
I love Mwahi, too, but I'm like a rejected stepchild that's kept in the basement
so my feelings aren't worth as much
violet ginkgo
Mark of Khardros and Skar's Shard?
heavy sparrow
Those are the ones
@violet ginkgo
I haven't simmed them yet, but I've seen prot warriors do significant damage with those. Not sure why really
jagged pier
Cause ita like a 10-15% dps oncrease on your cds as they line up with them
heavy sparrow
Damage mitigated by a critical block = 60% reduction
Damage mitigated by a block = 30% reduction
Damage mitigated by a normal hit = 0% reduction
Thanks @jagged pier
dense cradle
You have the stats up when you pop rav/spear
heavy sparrow
I currently have first raid boss trinket and sikran so 2m and 1.5min trinkete
But looking to remove the tank trinket
violet ginkgo
I haven't simmed them yet, but I've seen prot warriors do significant damage wit...
Because increasing mastery = increasing attack power too.