protection

[jagged pier]

im trying

to kill bugs

[sharp gale]

Helldivers is still a thing ?

[jagged pier]

never left

good game is always a good game

espiecally with joel

[sharp gale]

I left because I had to not play for a weekend and ofc a friend destroyed the game so discovery was no more a thing

[tribal wharf]

im trying to 100% defense grid 2 for some reason. i love that game

[sharp gale]

We all have 1 particular game we are ready to die on that hill

[tribal wharf]

have a bunch of good tower items but no where NEAR what i need to challenge elite "frozen core" maps

[sharp gale]

Mine is kenshi

[tribal wharf]

defense grid 2 is if you want to play a tower defense game that is really good you play that

better than bloons

PROTECT THE CORES

[keen pelican]

Legion TD 2 BiS

[sharp gale]

The last tower defense I played was a 3D one on steam I don’t remember the name but it’s was the 3rd of that franchise

[tribal wharf]

i would kill for old blizzard quality defense grid 2, put it that way

its very satisfying game to play

[sharp gale]

I recall it, it’s dungeon defender 2 (was not 3lol)

[tribal wharf]

also space ship shooters shmups schumps whatever you spell it

there is a way to type it that the nerds dont aggro

i like those alot too

im not good at them, but they are fun

[sharp gale]

Drop your top 6 most played game on steam

[tribal wharf]

but i cant stand them now

[sharp gale]

didn't notice you could show it like that

your game time is hidden

member since 2014 not bad

[tribal wharf]

alot of my games is xbox is why

i spent alot of time on xbox

[sharp gale]

im french so it was playstation

until minecraft

at some point pug is mostly done with voice anyway, i don't know maybe wowhead has some to suggest

https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers / i don't know any of them, i strangely heard somewhere No Pressure but i don't remember what was the context

i feel really old when i see last time launched on my game list on steam

yet im just 26

[tardy abyss]

Why does deathbringer bdk have 5 more buttons than sanlayn

[tardy abyss]

https://vxtwitter.com/YoDaOrie/status/1863706572565762212

lmao

[strong forum]

It's the 1 mob stunned outside of the range of most of yodas dmg

Ofc he's gonna lose threat on that

Ah nvm is different one

[orchid mural]

he's not wrong, threat values need to be looked at.

[tardy abyss]

Tbf its just enhancer

Maybe fdk in some cases

[orchid mural]

ret pallies can get up there too.

possible DH's, but not to many of those 'round at high level

[strong forum]

It's the whole split dmg issue

You don't have even threat buildup

Cuz the enha attacked the smallies with tempests

Whereas yoda clapped the big mob

And the itty bitty aoe split dmg ain't enough to keep threat

Tanks should not have split dmg

[orchid mural]

hmm, like, do u mean, the threat value of a shield slam is spread around, or ...

[strong forum]

No but pwar for example already does split dmg after 5 targets

[lofty warren]

still accurate after berfs?

[strong forum]

Shieldslam, 20% of our dmg, is only on the prio target, so if someone else decides to send something else home, you're gonna lose threat

[strong forum]

What nerfs

Ppal had a tap on the wrist

[lofty warren]

Ppal nerfs

[strong forum]

It was a cosmetic nerf

[lofty warren]

They said 10% dps nerf?

[strong forum]

Okay, they were 20% ahead

Doesn't change anything

They still have wog bop sac spellward freedom

[lofty warren]

I see. They were bottom tier in 11.0, was all this power given in 11.0.5?

[strong forum]

No

It certainly helped, but their dmg was really high before the patch already

They got a lot of bug fixes

And obv yet again a rework of sorts

[mighty valley]

prot pally needs to be SO bad to be bad

if that makes sense

[strong forum]

Like explained months prior

If prot pally can live keys

And their dmg isn't utterdogshit

Then they'll be really high ranked

It doesn't matter if other tanks are tankier

[mighty valley]

they're also S tier whiners

sorry that's unfair

[strong forum]

Everyone is

[mighty valley]

S tier downplayers

[strong forum]

What limits keys, has always, will always. Is group survivability

It's never been tank survivability

You gotta be so much tankier that you can pull of pulls that no other tank can

E.g. Bear in DF s2 with its uncapped rage gen in aoe and thus infinite IF + raze spam

[lofty warren]

In dragonlands vdh was good but wasn't that much more tanky than others? Guessing it was the 2x circle abilities

[strong forum]

It's the fact that vdh had 9 stops

That's why it was good, not because tanky

But because turbo aoe stops

[mighty valley]

good group buff and can solo mob control

[strong forum]

Cuz vdh was real shit in some keys

Like waycrest

[lofty warren]

How to do last pull before lady boss in sv? Was going to time a +11 but then wiped like 3x on the guys that drop totem.

[strong forum]

Pack by pack

You do charge boys + big patrol boy

Then stairs alone

Then each other pack alone

Too many kicks, too many totems, too much aoe dmg if you do bigger pull there

[tribal wharf]

way crest EZ besides witches kicking and the debuff that has to be stoped or removed

there was a dispel in there that on a 20 2-3 shot dps players

infected thorn

ya, on a 20, with all the other random dmg of the dungeon, you'd get the debuff, it would immediately start to tick, then tick again, and then your dead

[cyan bronze]

Don’t wanna talk about vdh here

[jagged gust]

I started los'ing that pull in SV, wayyy too many pugs (and guildies) butt pulling the 2nd pack

[cyan bronze]

Is this with timelessness on the enh also

I just don’t understand why tanks aren’t true uncapped

[frigid solstice]

fucking paladins

[cyan bronze]

It won’t be fixed until there’s a season where tank dmg is so low and most dps dmg is so high comparatively that even the highest dmg tank can’t hold threat well(+20% tank dmg will be their solution )

[pallid laurel]

Hey ive got a question about BSV. If you get hit by a huge single nuke, does the portion of that dmg that brought you under 30% get mitigated by BSV or does it only apply to subsequent dmg?

[past sedge]

yall think getting title on prot warr is still feasible? around 3150~ io and im pissstuck

[rough niche]

sup boiz, is mountain thane that superior to collosus even with the recent buff that was added?

[jagged gust]

Didn't really budge anything in any direction

MT still generates more rage, colo still does more damage, both are viable outside of push keys

[rough niche]

I really want collosus to be more viable tbh, cool gameplay low survability, but it's great for learning rage management like a fking g

[quiet monolith]

Wait should I just be a pally...

[wicked pollen]

OMG MHW

[sharp gale]

which weapon

[wicked pollen]

cb

[sharp gale]

like charge blade, the shield and sword that turn into an axe

you are allowed to talk to me

[wicked pollen]

yes

but i played gs/ls in hr bc playing cb without gear felt horrible

[sharp gale]

nah

cb until yellow rajang where you question yourself

[wicked pollen]

just going from mhgu endgame gear into mhw

0 skills

https://tenor.com/s5FVyEB75Au.gif

[sharp gale]

you played before they gave the broken set to rush base game ?

[wicked pollen]

no

[sharp gale]

why you complain about cb, you kill in a min every monster until iceborne

[wicked pollen]

it feels horrible to play without gear

[sharp gale]

it is grindy indeed

[wicked pollen]

no guard no extra phial no focus no artillery

it legit feels unplayable

might as well play ls poorly

[strong forum]

L take

I literally 1 trick CB since mh4u

Everything else feels wrong

Except lbg or bow for kirin

Fuck kirin

[sharp gale]

fuck kirin yes

i one tricked cb until i quit because nothing to do endgame base game, then when iceborn launched, played until nothing to do, then alatreon, didn't kill it, then fatalis, didn't kill it

[wicked pollen]

i just hate how it feels bc of the accesiblity of skills in mhgu

idk

[strong forum]

Didn't mesh well with iceborne cuz I don't like the grinding lands

[sharp gale]

i didn't play that one, i don't even know which one it is

[strong forum]

Monster hunter generations

The one before world

[sharp gale]

oh the nintendo monster hunters

[strong forum]

That one I only played a little bit, was around the time I got busy in wow and in here

For World I even bought a ps4 cuz I didn't wanna wait for the delayed pc release

And god bless they're this time releasing wilds at the same time everywhere, fucking dumbest shit the world ever cooked.

Delayed PC releases

[wicked pollen]

it was anniversary game

[sharp gale]

the only nintendo mh i played is the 3, i mostly played freedoms before world

[wicked pollen]

my first mh was stories

https://tenor.com/bGvCP.gif

[strong forum]

I started with mh4u
Instantly 1tricked CB

[novel temple]

Bruh, idk why but the only piece of gear that u seem to get that’s hero path are shoulders

I keep getting nothing but fucking shoulders

[wicked pollen]

in generations before gu was released to west i was playing aerial switch axe and adept cb

nothing can beat that in my memory

perma jumping up doing infinite damage

0 skill

[strong forum]

I pray I get myth track weapon for my war then I'm done gearing

Almost 639 equipped

[sharp gale]

i'm praying for a neck

[strong forum]

[wicked pollen]

im missing 2 rings

but 1 if i include the update ring

[sharp gale]

im praying for the popular neck that doesn't cost crest to upgrade so i can craft my wrist in 636 and be done

[strong forum]

My dragon is 638, shaman needs 3 myth tier pieces, then it's also 638

Warri only needs to replace the crafted pieces

And then I just need to git gud

(it will not happen)

[sharp gale]

dragon is fun ? you play which spec ?

[strong forum]

All

[sharp gale]

what you mostly play

[strong forum]

But pres is the only fun one

Dev and Aug play like sandpaper

[sharp gale]

because i hesitate between druid and evoker for next patch to be "my main for raid"

[strong forum]

Pres is extremely well designed

[wicked pollen]

?

[strong forum]

Absolutely god-tier class design

[sharp gale]

since they are the only range dps with not infinite queue time spec

that i'm interested in*

[strong forum]

But dev and Aug play like your generic spender Spammer

Completely braindead

[wicked pollen]

you say that

but i hold world last ara kara 12

[sharp gale]

i played generic builder-spender in the DF prepatch it is satisfying, i did bet i would go mad

[wicked pollen]

nome

beat this

[strong forum]

Bro devastation is 90% just disintegrate spam

[wicked pollen]

oh yeah

[strong forum]

Aug is just maintain prescience on 2 targets
Ebon might on cd
Empower spells on cd
Breath on cd

Spam eruption

Same fucking shit

[wicked pollen]

and then im getting cancer fgrom being perma knocked back from mists

[sharp gale]

i don't mind "simple spec" i think most are tbh

[wicked pollen]

or some other annoying ranged mechanics

[strong forum]

Nothing I hate more

[wicked pollen]

and i hate playing when that shit happens

[strong forum]

Press space bar

[wicked pollen]

yeah but when its 2 back to back

[sharp gale]

and press the button where you can cast while moving no ? is it still a thing ?

[wicked pollen]

and i cant eruption

and my em

falls

[strong forum]

Has 16 second duration

[wicked pollen]

I WANT TT HARM AOMEON

[strong forum]

2 charges

[wicked pollen]

maybe slight skill issue though

!

[strong forum]

You can use eruption during that gio

2 mobs, that knock back one after another with 25sec CD

[jagged gust]

That's why I like prot (And fury when it had insane haste) It's all simple, but by god I love the speed

[strong forum]

So you just pop Personal, cast hover while standing still

And whenever they charge you spam eruption

Fixed

Also just chill in melee and not in max fange

So you don't displace the mobs

[sharp gale]

i think not simple specs, you cannot count them on a single hand but maybe i'm wrong

[strong forum]

Fury is one of the most simple specs, if you ask me

Only ret and BM are simpler

[sharp gale]

i think boomie is a huge competitor in most simple spec

[strong forum]

If that was the case

[jagged gust]

maintaining 2 whole dots is honestly a lot more than we do currently

[strong forum]

Why does no boomie ever do damage

[sharp gale]

he is the definition of generic builder spender

[wicked pollen]

because if its strong in st it oppresses multitarget?

[strong forum]

No I'm talking aoe

[sharp gale]

lel

[strong forum]

I've seen maybe 2 boomkins in my life

[jagged gust]

First pull of NW I had a boomie pumping 12mil about a month ago

[strong forum]

Not lose to me as tank in overall

[sharp gale]

it is not a spread aoe god anymore

[strong forum]

It is tho

[wicked pollen]

it is

[sharp gale]

not SL god tier

[wicked pollen]

if you see a good boomy player this season

its legit

[strong forum]

SL was an abomination

[wicked pollen]

looking like the best class

[strong forum]

3min 1hit wonder

Then afk

[wicked pollen]

venthyr boomkin

[jagged gust]

fucking wcl is down for me again, wanted to find that log

[strong forum]

Boomkin is one of the most broken M+ dps classes, in the right hand

Cuz their spread aoe dmg is crazy and burst ofc, spymasters says hi

[sharp gale]

i just remember THAT DAMAGE OF THAT BOOMIE on council nathria

well time to log on my dragon

i dont remember how he looks

that's impressive

[raven sluice]

does spell reflect damage get removed from mythic raid logs?

[sharp gale]

i will recheck on silken, had to tank some poison bolts as fury for some reason

[raven sluice]

i dont see spell refelct damage on any mythic silken courst prot warr kills

[sharp gale]

i don't see it too

what it did on my details

[raven sluice]

on some pulls somehow i maanged to get the dot back on the boss, but it doesnt work every time, so dunno

[sharp gale]

it is indeed dot being reflected because total damage/3 casts is way off what direct hit would get, the 14 hits are the dot i guess

[raven sluice]

i got 28 hits from 4 reflects and it was my top damage on some pulls

[sharp gale]

i just signed up to raid calendar i saw the crazy january 1st and 2nd raid

i'm vault filling my last 2 dungeon on my war in a 12 grim, as fury, was not expecting this

[jagged gust]

bruh, playing on hard mode

Only half the raid shows up, half will be cut and the rest hungover and RL is gonna be popping veins the entire night guaranteed

[sharp gale]

i will not be here, the 1rst i'm still doing new year eves technically in switzerland and the 2nd is just a hard bet i achieve to go home

no war buff for two raid night, they can survive

i'm also afraid i will not get CE this tier when i see the roadmap

if silken doesn't die before december 19th

[hexed delta]

Alright, is there anything other than "go stand on everyone" i should be doing for Rime Dagger in CoT? Like I've been hitting spell reflect and have my usual Shield Block+Ignore Pain rolling, but I feel like i get smoked here a lot

This message brought to you by my 3rd failed 8 to that mechanic this week lol

[twin hill]

Spell block should be up for every rime dagger cast and worked wonders for me

[hexed delta]

Well, I thought that button had a 3m cooldown, that changes a lot. This is the kind of oversight i was hoping for 😅 thanks!

[restive nacelle]

Can Protection loot spec get the chance at the Mad Queen's Mandate trinket in vault or should I open my vault as dps?

[jagged pier]

u need to be in a dps spec for it

[viscid lantern]

i spam SB and IP all the time but rage still being almost full... What im doing wrong? I gota spam IP all the time like 2-3 cast one behind each other?

[jagged pier]

we need logs to see what u are doing

but its highly likely u arent pressing buttons enough

[sweet summit]

don't be afraid to ""overcap"" ignore pain

[wild sentinel]

is prot supposed to go for a decent amount of crit

[jagged pier]

theres no certain amounts of crit u want

but its a good stat

[wild sentinel]

is it more important on keys or less, im just curious if the parry is really important

[jagged pier]

it stops a lot more damage over a key than vers or mastery

but its a type of damage u are already good at mitigating

that being said tho just not taking the damage is huge lets your IP work more on stuff we aint good at

also that being said secondary stats do very little after haste for survivability

and if stacking i dunno more vers or mastery makes u feel safer so u play better then that can also be taken into account

[wild sentinel]

ya i main fury but i sometimes tank for my friends, so im somewhat built for fury

[jagged pier]

literally doesnt matter

[wild sentinel]

useful to know more about how prot values the secondaries

[jagged pier]

after haste we dont.... really

surivibility comes from play

[sweet summit]

they're all good but haste is better

[brittle owl]

...crit

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

[lofty warren]

do the same dps on my 609 ppal as i do 628 pwar?

[mighty fulcrum]

wheres the best collosus builld for just slamming 10s

or is thane still better overall dps

[jagged pier]

on wowhead

[mighty fulcrum]

it isnt actually

wowhead has very little

[jagged pier]

it has lots actually

[mighty fulcrum]

where is that link

[jagged pier]

its on the talent page

[mighty fulcrum]

what is immortal wheel chair lol

[jagged pier]

kinda what it says on the tin

cant die slow game play

[lavish solstice]

Hi guys, kinda noob question, but when do you use Spell Reflect and Spell Block in the Ky'veza fight?

[heavy sparrow]

right before orbs go out

[violet ginkgo]

these execute builds is only for rash?

[hardy snow]

spell block after receiving tank dot

[boreal needle]

Does Mad Queen's Mandate drop on Protection or Fury?

[tropic tangle]

you can check this in the journal

[boreal needle]

ah, only fury and arms

thanks

[junior bough]

Question, how good is the trinket refracting aggresion module? I have choice between that and spelunkers waning candle

[tardy abyss]

It is pretty bad

[junior bough]

which one should I get?

[tardy abyss]

Im not sure what the candle does rn

[junior bough]

+3,196 [Agility or Strength]
Equip: Your damaging spells and abilities have a chance to place a Spelunker's Candle on your head, granting 7188 Critical Strike for 15 sec.

Moving within 3 yards of an ally places the Spelunker's Candle on both heads, sharing the effect for the remaining duration.

[tardy abyss]

Its an alright trinket

[junior bough]

It shows B tier on wowhead, modle is C

[tardy abyss]

If you have nothing better then take it

[devout basalt]

whats min haste needed for ITF?

[tardy abyss]

35%+ unbuffed if you dont wanna use Bolster

[devout basalt]

holy balls

[lethal osprey]

I’m at 41% haste unbuffed

Can I move gems and stats around or should I keep chasing haste

[toxic gyro]

are we getting catalyst charge this week or next?

[heavy sparrow]

Is this my BIS?
The other option is mythic pants

[sweet egret]

anyone got a good route for 14+ cot?

[smoky anvil]

Certainly a nasty weapon, you could sit on it for the remainder of the season very happily.

[heavy sparrow]

I did need a 639 weapon and shield

How does one get a 623-639 mythic Ara-Kara? And not a 616-626 one

[torn gulch]

pray to rng gods

[heavy sparrow]

Ahh

So it's doing 10+s for vault

[mortal pecan]

How can we get gem slots on our gear? Is it through the vault only?

[cyan bronze]

Jewelers setting

For rings and neck

[sweet egret]

only way known to mankind to get m+ loot on myth track is vault

[smoky anvil]

Think it’s this week.

[violet ginkgo]

The vault only for helmet, wrist and waist. For neck and ring buy from AH or if you are jewelcrafting you can make it yourself.

[candid leaf]

Should I swap some haste/crit gems to haste/vers since I'm over 30%?

[violet ginkgo]

honestly? lower the crit a bit move it to haste.

[next axle]

I have hero legs - so converted myth track. The gloves I am not considering. And the trinket is interesting to me. I have sacbrood and swarmlords for keys, and am running sacbrood with meat hook for raid all on hero track. Thoughts?

I also have a skar shard and mark of khadros too

[heavy sparrow]

Sim your trinkets

[sweet summit]

take legs 👍

[violet ginkgo]

Pretty much sim. Your trinkets I think already good, but between glove and leg, usually leg win the sim.

[candid leaf]

Not an option with my itemization, unless I get rid of hero queen ring

[tender glen]

That’s prot paladin for you

[lofty warren]

Some trinket Sims are lies like some trinkets give good defensive but that don't show on sim

[sweet summit]

almost like sims only care about doing damage

[lilac jetty]

on queen, is the dot from holding the essence spell blockable?

[wicked pollen]

[next axle]

Do these stats look balanced? Or should I look to tweak a little

This is without into the fray

[mighty valley]

can't really go wrong with more haste but you're fine

[next axle]

True, with into the fray I am at 45% haste

[lilac jetty]

if you mean sense's spreadsheet, it doesn't have queen essence dot on it 🙂

[wicked pollen]

then you have your answer

[lilac jetty]

uh

are you assuming that because it isnt on the spreadsheet that it isnt blockable?

[heavy sparrow]

I'm looking into collosus and moving over to doing 10s this week yay or nay

[mighty valley]

if you'd have more fun that way

do it

[wicked pollen]

yes

[lilac jetty]

i would not assume that

[wicked pollen]

well im looking at a log of a warrior

not pressing sb

so

he also could have saved it for a more important part

meaning that yuou just tank the dot

[lilac jetty]

Yeah tanking the dot for 1 essence is super easy. The reason I want to know if it's spell blockable is to see how safe it is for me to pick up a 2nd essence with the vuln if I had to

If it is spell blockable then it sounds super safe with spell block, but if not i'd need shield wall

or an external

[wicked pollen]

idk why but there are 2 essences

i assume its just the first image

it looks liek you can take 2

as tank

[lilac jetty]

think the image on the right is just the inital damage from picking up an essence

[wicked pollen]

wl took 2

was just 400k per second

[lilac jetty]

considering he picked up 2 essences but only has 18 ticks, when everyone who picked up 1 had 14, i assume it killed him lol

[wicked pollen]

it peaked at 400k

[sharp gale]

Wouldn’t you see blocked hits if you hover the hits ? Don’t know if it’s the topic

[lilac jetty]

we would need a log of someone taking hits of the dot with spell block active

[shut summit]

yes it is, been meaning to update spreadsheet but very little motivation at this point in patch

i did it this week on rekill

can't link logs atm but you can find it

[mortal pecan]

Any recommendations for a good tanking YouTube channel? Maybe catered to newer tanks

[teal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzDyArLX_V8&list=PLYVPyI4uGDoBXVQOyegbGle3mknHgxiFg

[sharp gale]

you did block the dot hits of acolyte essence

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4KLmCPRMDqtGnYzk#fight=22&type=damage-taken&source=4&ability=445162&sourcebuffs=392966

[lilac jetty]

ty sir

[tacit smelt]

someone was just telling me about a WA that tells if you are ahead or behind time based on what pack you are in the dungeon but didnt tell me what the name of the WA is, anyone know what he is talking about

[covert basalt]

how is throngus finger trinket?

[pallid quiver]

Not particularly great; if you're gonna rock a defensive trinket, you'd generally prefer something more deterministic than RNG

It's also not a revolutionary amount of dodge, either

[prime kernel]

yo guys, these are the only 2 slots left in which i can craft my 2nd embelish (vers passive stat) , what has higher prio; 3ilvls on shield or boots with higher str gain per lvl ? Or should i keep them both and go for the DPS embelish on ring with haste/vers missive

[cyan bronze]

craft embellish on boots

[tawny meteor]

mythic track khardros vs mythic tier chest (its one my last non mythic slots) is a no brainer right? Khadros all day?

[dusky canopy]

I probably would go for the trinket yeah

Oh wait this is prot channel

Hmmm

Mastery on use for Prot kinda whatever

I’d probably get chest

So you have it as myth track

[violet ginkgo]

Khardros is nice for bursting enemy too without needing to complete minitask like transmitter.

Maybe… just maybe khardros first? Chest you can get whatever chest and catalyst it.

[ashen fern]

Trying to figure out what to grab here. My gut says to take the neck (currently using a crit/vers neck with avoidance) over the myth track crit/mastery belt (using a crit/haste belt).

[strong forum]

Neck

Once you start doing more myth track content you'll be able to get a belt rather quickly

But that neck is pretty much bis for prot until you get the myth track neck or you get 2 big haste rings + myth track rashanan neck

[ashen fern]

thanks for the logic

[smoky anvil]

Sureki’s was the single biggest “goddamn I notice the upgrade” item I’ve had all season.

[strong forum]

Yeah it's like 8% haste

Pretty neat

I still don't have one on my main

But all my 3 alts have it

[timber nest]

shard vs mark? same ilevel

[cyan bronze]

that shit dont exist

but its ok.

[cyan bronze]

mark sims higher for me

[timber nest]

as does for me

but just checking

i feel like shard might feel better cuz you get base stats too

[cyan bronze]

its a little bit stronger outside of on use ya ig

[timber nest]

how do ring upgrades work? i have a 626 ring but it wont let me upgrade either of my 619 rings without using crests

[heavy sparrow]

How is everyone's experience with Sikran trinket?

[violet ginkgo]

You have to get both ring slot to 626. Then your 3rd ring is free crest up to 626

[quiet monolith]

kinda a noob question but how do you guys setup your kick? do you set a focus target and just have a focus kick macro? do you have a regular kick keybind, and then a focus kick keybind? it feels like a lot of keys for me to bind up for kicking and stormbolt

i often try to set a focus target and kick it, but then if i notice i have a free kick i wanna kick some other target if i know it is safe to do so... clicking that target and setting a new focus is cumbersome. should it be like a .... mouseover kick, that if im not mouseovering just kicks a focus?

[chilly brook]

It's a trinket and it does damage

That simple

[jagged gust]

I press tab and pray to RNGesus

[quiet monolith]

I've tried that and it's obviously not efficient

[shrewd grove]

Can always set 2 kick bindings, but that's a big ask from a Warrior

[quiet monolith]

Not sure if sarcastic or not but it is annoying, maybe it's something I just need to get used to and find the space for

I just wanted to know how you higher key players manage it, so I can emulate good practices

[simple drum]

Any good/creative ways to automate playing Prot Warrior? Sounds weird but I kinda want to remove as much nuance and decision-making as possible as just play the spec & do well

[broken shoal]

I use a focus macro when I feel like I need it otherwise I just swap targets or sit on the target that I know I'm going to need to interrupt

[smoky anvil]

They fear our power, brother.

[river bane]

Maybe this https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nerien-hekili-packs ? I never tried it

[quiet monolith]

its a pretty forgiving class... put ignore pain on mousewheel up and shield slam on mousewheel down

spam that shit

[deft oxide]

I run a focus kick and a mouse over kick

[quiet monolith]

If you mouse over and the target is out of range what happens ?

[heavy sparrow]

what are we enchanting our 1 handers these days fellas

[deft oxide]

I don’t remember off the top of my head but if it’s like when you mouse over nothing it’ll kick your current target.

[quiet monolith]

Yea I get in a bad habit of trying to mouse over and the target is too far for melee kick and then it wastes my kick

Maybe I need to try and stop juggling my target and kicks around and just stick to my target in a pack

[violet ginkgo]

Depend on your activity

[heavy sparrow]

mythic+mythic Raiding

@violet ginkgo

[red dock]

Can anyone explain how they do the first pull in GB when youre doing the triple?

Its always so chaotic and messy when I try it

I think the most successful has been stopping at the dragon on the corner to give LoS and just waiting for the 3rd pack to pat back.

[woven venture]

Is there ever too much haste? Like if I can run 20k haste rating should I? Right now I'm at about 17500 rating pre flask/into the fray, just not sure how to tell. I know I can sim for damage but just wondering for defensive purposes.

[pallid quiver]

It's not particularly possible this season to reach a level of haste where it's not worth getting more

It'll be possible eventually, where other stats just become more valuable than some extra haste due to the relative cost for increases, but right now, send

[violet ginkgo]

You can just slap depth or radiant power then.

[untold skiff]

any advice friends? I'm not entirely sure how impactful shattered sorrow effect is compared to stats from 639 cloak, or if a 639 shield is that much better than a 636 for the shield block considering worse stats

[jagged gust]

Pugs 😦

[simple drum]

So why is it that when I sim, the gearset with the highest possible amount of haste does not sim the highest?

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-checkmate-gif-5965660

[chilly brook]

Because that's purely damage, also it's not like haste exists in a vacuum

[sharp gale]

i hate this game

[signal field]

uh sometimes i spell reflect bombardments.. should i be conserned?

[sweet summit]

🤨

[obsidian girder]

Morning folks, just started my prot journey. Hit 4p and 611 this morning.

Farmed+4 dungeons. You think that 611 is enough to go +8 ?

[sharp gale]

yes

i entered my first 10 with 613

at the start of season

[tardy abyss]

My 585 dk can tank 8s

Bit rough at times but works

[sharp gale]

tanks and healer a pretty chill with low ilvl if you know already the dungeon, ofc don't go into CoT as inting ilvl healer

[quick elk]

kinda stuck, i dont really run Mythic raid, but looking to break into the 12-14 level in M+ . Do I take the Mythic Cloak over the heroic Wings of shattered sorrow . or do i take the sockets for my wrist and belt. (defensively minded, otherwise yes i would just sim)

[tardy abyss]

I'd almost say go trinket

To replace that scarab trinket

Otherwise yeah mythic cloak

[quick elk]

i did consider it, but I have a heroic version of mark when i want to do more damage. so though the upgrade from heroic to mythic was not that big a deal.

[tardy abyss]

Trinkets are always a massive upgrade

Also, if you require a defensive trinket in such key levels you may wanna look into your playstyle anyway

In fact you never need a defensive trinket

[quick elk]

My primary focus is when i mess up skill wise, i have a back up to save me. untill i get better

[jagged pier]

that trinket

does

not

save

u

ever

[tardy abyss]

If you fuck up it is not gonna save you

[quick elk]

its a 3million shield when i use

[tardy abyss]

That's less than a full IP

[jagged pier]

thats less than 1 full ip

it helps smooth damage

thats literally it

does nothing else

[quick elk]

i use it to survive tank mechanics in combination with demo, IP .

[jagged pier]

now uve changed how u use it

[sick halo]

Hi all, sorry to bother you, but can you please help me with a option? This is my char: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/wtrc and this is the vault

[quick elk]

when i have overused or fat fingered my defensives, thats how it saves me

[sick halo]

i would be inclined to go for trinket or belt

or get a socket for the belt

[tardy abyss]

Trinket bad

If you don't have a myth track belt go for that

[sick halo]

Thank you!

[heavy sparrow]

raid compliment

[fresh pilot]

Good morning!

Is it still Sikran blade and queen shield that is considered bis for us prot warriors?

atm i am using Sikran weapon, and a 636 crafted shield, is it worth getting queen shield from vault mythic track over a 639 broodsac?

[jagged pier]

yes

yes was to the original question

and generally armour pieces and weps always trumps trinkets

but if u have queen on farm and not many shield wearer

sac is nice

[fresh pilot]

hmm. aight, ill sim it and see what it comes out with i guess.

[jagged pier]

it will show trinket in sims

but shield is the only piece with block on it

[fresh pilot]

yeah and im thinking that extra block will do me good..

[jagged pier]

up too you i guess

ithers a good pick

[fresh pilot]

yeah.. tough choices tbh.. got sac, mandate, queen shield.. all 3 i want at 639 lol.

[sharp gale]

1 item

as prot

[wooden spruce]

Good morning everyone, hope you're doing amazing!

So, question, what stats are you running? I'm with 15 crit, 35 haste (m+, raid it's like 50 with buffs), 15 vers and 4% mastery. Weapons are crafed 636, trinkets is larynx and voidpacstone both 623 with ilvl 628

Asking because im not having issues but we're starting Mythic raiding in 3 weeks (chill non hardcore guild) and i've worked my stats looking top people on wlogs.

I've tanked all dungeons at 10 with no issues but still, theres always room for improvement and right now on heroic Queen im holding up but sometimes the incoming damage is too much

Thanks beforehand!

[fresh pilot]

im running broodsac and skamorak atm. until i can replace skamorak with queens mandate.
your crit seems a little low tbh. im running 37% haste before buff 21% crit and 17% Vers.

[jagged pier]

u need some more mastery

u want like 23% ish which is like 1 piece of mastery gear increases crit block chance by a significant amount

[covert basalt]

how is earthen as a race?

[jagged pier]

but even that wont make or break anything

[jagged pier]

its a race like any other perfectly

[wooden spruce]

good tip, maybe i'll recraft my earthen ring, have it 636 but haste+vers, maybe change it for haste+mastery

[fresh pilot]

Ah shit just checked my stats here they are: 22% crit, 35% haste, 29% mastery, 14% versatility.

[jagged pier]

after haste

stats mean very little

[pallid quiver]

you get to save money on food, so it's based if you're a brokie

[wooden spruce]

thb i went hard on vers after haste because im used to that with my dk (well now with sayan+build)

[jagged pier]

15% vers is hard on vers

[wooden spruce]

but i've seen so many warrios with lots of vers that i thought it was optimal

[jagged pier]

and u get nothing from it

and miss 10% -20% of other stats

just for getting 7.5% DR

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of them think it makes a drastic difference to their survival since it works on things like Bleed, which is Prot's weakest point.

[wooden spruce]

ooh

[pallid quiver]

Instead of them acknowledging that they're actually pressing buttons well enough to not die

[wooden spruce]

i have a lot of extra gear, will change some of it for the crit and mastery

[pallid quiver]

Crit indirectly helps against bleeds, since it's rare that a damage source in a given instance is literally solely one thing, so negating phys attacks helps enable IP to bleed more from the bleed than from other chip attacks

[wooden spruce]

what do you think it would the, quote, optimal stats at 628++?

[jagged pier]

what ever sims highest

[pallid quiver]

Literally depends on what gear you specifically have available

And since defensively, all stats are very close

you just sim for damage

[wooden spruce]

hmm i think i'll have to run like 20 runs haha, but thanks for the help!

[pallid quiver]

At extreme optimal, M-Raid I get all the rare drops, you'll have a sprinkling of all stats

mostly due to things like queen ring but

and a lotta haste and crit

[wooden spruce]

oh i still dont have the, was close to that last week but lost to a 99 on a guildie that was there for a run to get him the AOTC but he rolled a 100 for the ring and he quit after that so...yeah crap (we're doing free runs for our guild and he was there for 4 months)

but aside from that

thanks for all the tips!

[sharp gale]

about their talents, you will see on warcraftlogs they run colossus for the first 4 bosses, it's only because they don't care about surviving full dps monkey without indomitable etc

play standard thane raid build

[wooden spruce]

thane is funnier :3

[sharp gale]

yes, start with the punish one then switch to execute when you are confortable with bosses (or don't switch at all)

[fresh pilot]

Tbh i just play Thane 😛

is the dmg of colossus that much higher?

[jagged pier]

thats a sim question

for your own char

[fresh pilot]

true

[sharp gale]

tbh it's whatever in m+, depends on your own stats, in raid, if you remove every def talents it seems to do a lot more than thane (in my own experience)

[fresh pilot]

Makes sense

[wooden spruce]

i like thane because i feel like im on a 80's power metal concert

[crisp crown]

any tips? skarmorak sims very high but then i lose the defensive scarab lord trinket

[tardy abyss]

You don't need a defensive trinket

[crisp crown]

tbf almost every warrior tank i see has 1 defensive trinket

or like 90% of them atleast

either the one i have, or the taunt one

[tardy abyss]

Because they just copy

Not because it is optimal

[crisp crown]

hmm fair

idk the value of swarmlord's actually

if its a huge defensive or not

[tardy abyss]

It is not gonna save you ever

And the passive healing is fake

Because you overheal more by dumping rage then

[crisp crown]

but isnt this a simbait

the on use trinket

idk

[tardy abyss]

How so

[crisp crown]

ur right about swarmlords tho

[tardy abyss]

You can macro it with ravager

[crisp crown]

i dont play ravager, are we supposed to?

xd

[tardy abyss]

Yes lol

It is a really good offensive and defensive cd

[jagged pier]

somenes copying top warriors

[tardy abyss]

[crisp crown]

i mean

its the first season i play warrior

[tardy abyss]

I don't blame them tbh

[crisp crown]

why shame me for copying the best players? lol

@jagged pier cringe reaction

[jagged pier]

because they arent the best players

most of them play the meta spexc

[tardy abyss]

Guides are always more reliable

[jagged pier]

and have all rerolled to paladin

[crisp crown]

so i copied a meta spec

ah

u mean pala

this is what i got now

[jagged pier]

they are good players. but they dont know the ins and outs of the class

[tardy abyss]

Endurance Training is also fake

[jagged pier]

and most of them literally copy who is ever first and they usually play what 'feels' better to them

not what is best

the 2 points in stam in the class tree pointless

double shield wall talent outside of like 1 dungeon pointless

ITF depending on haste lvls pointless (most of them dont have the right haste lvl)

BSV pointless for 99.9% of players

[crisp crown]

i see why the stamina talent is bad, but the 2 shield walls feels very good to me idk

[jagged pier]

not even a real cheat death

[jagged pier]

the other talent is more shield walls over all

and more rage

so u are just tankier with the other talent

[crisp crown]

aight aight, im gonna do some tweaking and try some stuff out

[jagged pier]

outside of niche pulls like NW number 1 u dont press SW back to back there is no need

[crisp crown]

but ravager is a thing everyone plays or?

[tardy abyss]

Ye

[crisp crown]

or like, almost everyone?

[jagged pier]

u ither drop rav or sheild charge and its cap stone for bsv

[tardy abyss]

Helps to stabilise quickly in harder pulls

[jagged pier]

but u dont run bsv or shouldnt

rav is 5% damage over a key and a boat load of rage every press

[crisp crown]

@jagged pier and whats ur opinion on the vault ss i posted above? skarmoraks also a valid option?

its not that i dont trust u stjpa, just wanna hear som1 else's opinion too :p

[jagged pier]

armour first

armour is good in every situation

trinkets not always

[crisp crown]

so u would do the shoulders over skarmorak?

[jagged pier]

but shard is good

[proven plume]

i like the top talent build I like being tanky it feels much better

[jagged pier]

nice 15% dps increase every press

[jagged pier]

its not tankier

thats kinda my point

[crisp crown]

tbh atm i feel very tanky aswell, thats what i like about warrior

i tried guardian druid and insta swapped

[jagged pier]

u scarifce being tanky to take worse tanky talents with that build above makes no sense

like ppl are dropping rage gen for stam

like what

[crisp crown]

ye fair point

[jagged pier]

this isnt classic

stam means nothing now

[crisp crown]

jakey can u link ur build so i can compare some stuff?

[jagged pier]

as said above they take ITF so they will take unmitigated melees because it feels better to play

when they can just play HR and never take an unmitigated hit

i would run this if u dont have at least 18k haste rating

this otherwise

[pallid quiver]

If we're being pedantic, it's like 50/50 overall on people using Rav, when it should be skewed a lot more towards using Ravager, since people will copy+paste the first build they see with zero explanations half the time

Whether that's from a streamer, a guildie, or what-have-you

[crisp crown]

i copied mine from archon

most played prot build

@jagged pier tysm, gonna check it out later

[pallid quiver]

and even those players are copy+pasting the first person to do a key half the time

Since realistically, having a proper build on your tank is not gonna brick keys

[jagged pier]

high key pushing is about group cc and group cordination

not about talent setup

just saying

u have to be good players that can coordinate

just member this is one of the highest io warrior actually playing the game

[pallid quiver]

All you need baseline for pushing higher keys is to have a defensive CD when going for big pulls, have a defensive for tankbusters, and maintain aggro

[jagged pier]

https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv

[pallid quiver]

In terms of playing a tank

[jagged pier]

6 seconds of nothing

[pallid quiver]

hey, it's more cpm than some people I've ran into

ran into someone pulling a massive 20 CPM the other day on Prot War

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

I didn't really think anything about it until he happened to bring Anub in court next to me while I was tanking caster

and i just had aggro on him suddenly

and was slightly confused, since i wasn't even sending shield slams at the beetle man

[strong forum]

god bless

finally a 639 weapon

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6HcBXxqiuxcCa5dS8LgBCp

but i also had my first 639 2h weapon in vault, 639 skarm shard and bis bracers with socket

[jagged pier]

good for u i had socket

[fresh pilot]

Im running this build. Should i change anything? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVBRFUgUVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBRFVZVUQCUEEFVVUCQQ

[jagged pier]

i mean u can swap ET for cruel strikes

but apart from that its fine

[fresh pilot]

Wops and i also run itf

[jagged pier]

whats your haste rating?

[fresh pilot]

et? Which one is that.

Unbuffed?

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[jagged pier]

endurance trianing

[wicked pollen]

5% stam and cc reduction

[fresh pilot]

35% haste

[jagged pier]

not what i asked

i asked ffor rating

not %

[fresh pilot]

Ah vant check right now. At work and dont remember 🙂

[jagged pier]

however over the stat

[wicked pollen]

whats your character and realm

[fresh pilot]

Found it on armory 16.5k

[jagged pier]

u should probably also be running HR then

instead of ITF

[fresh pilot]

Really? Im not feeling i have downtime on SB at all. Utilizing the two stacks and shirld charge to keep it up

[jagged pier]

u will

see u have used the word there

'feeling'

[fresh pilot]

Haha true 😂

[jagged pier]

if u logged u would see the difference

[fresh pilot]

In logs i assume it needs 100% up time or close too.

[jagged pier]

we dont look at uptime we look at blocked hits in logs

uptime isnt a great indicator as u can technically have 100% uptime

and block nothing

[fresh pilot]

Hmm.. where do i see blocked hits in logs?

[jagged pier]

damage taken -> melees -> hover over the hits column

[fresh pilot]

Ok, so around 75-80% on most for me

[jagged pier]

yer u should be 90%

with the correct haste rating and itf u can also be higher

but playing HR will just give yah like 95%

[fresh pilot]

OK, so i should switch back, until i have 18k+ haste rating?

[jagged pier]

yer

well if u want too, otherwise u need to manage your shield block far more than u are now

[fresh pilot]

Understood

wonder how much of a dmg hit it will be by ditching ITF

[jagged pier]

not as big as u think

u dont always have 5 stacks in m+ anyway

u have it at less a lot more than u notice

[fresh pilot]

So yeah checking all my logs now, and i am at 72-83% if i take my top runs

ill go back to the longer shield block and test it out.

[tardy abyss]

I wish that node wasnt a choice node between HR and ITF

Both are so good

[untold bane]

I wish Tough as Nails wasnt exclusive

[tardy abyss]

How much of a dps gain is that talent anyway

[jagged pier]

garbage

it does nothing

like a point in BB im pretty sure does more

well maybe not if u run spear actually

[tardy abyss]

Just drop Spell Block for BB 👍

[fresh pilot]

Like.. dont you use spellblock? 😄

[jagged pier]

i mean honestly as thane

u gain fuck all from BB just run spell block

[tardy abyss]

I wasnt being serious

[humble mason]

So I just got heroic merc egg from vault, but I do already have HC khardros, im guessing there isnt really any situation where merc egg is better?

Its a DPS loss according to sims

[strong forum]

correct

[calm relic]

What would you gutys choose here?
Is is worth loosing the 1.229 Haste from Swarmlords over the Skammorak shard?

[wicked pollen]

one is 606 one is mythic track

no think

[hardy snow]

you thought about loosing 1.2k haste, but not about getting 3.1k str?

[harsh trellis]

For those working on Mythic Broodtwister. Is there a specific Thane build you are running?

[jagged pier]

u guys forgor all the top warrior run swarmlords

[jagged pier]

just run the punish raid one

your aoe is fine

[calm relic]

I did think about that butr i wasent sure about loosing that high amount of haste since its the best stat atm

[hardy snow]

str > haste, 3.1k>1.2k

you could worry about loosing such haste if you get another neck/ring, not if you get so much main stat for that

[calm relic]

Thank you buddy 🙂

[strong forum]

high amount of haste?

sir thats literally only 2% haste xd

vs 5% strength + 8% mastery

[calm relic]

didnt say i was good at math 😄 that why i asked ❤️

[violet ginkgo]

Time to get good at math then

[pallid quiver]

I remember when we had to teach someone in here the equivalent of 2*8 was the same as 8*2

[jagged pier]

[wintry nymph]

i'd love to read that convo lmao

[jagged pier]

theres the usual 20% means x1.2 not +20%

[earnest swallow]

Hello guys, I focus mainly on M+, should I follow exclusively wowhead, or there is any other relevant source?

[wicked pollen]

wowhead works!

[earnest swallow]

thanks!

also, this is extremely subjective, but I have been away for a few years, and the environment changed so much, is there any minimal yet functional UI presets?

[pallid quiver]

There's a ton of different UI packs from different creators/the base/etc. I can't really help direct you to any, since most of mine are just me tweaking with settings from WAs/Elvui until I got a look I like

but one of the fastest ways to reduce clutter is to chuck in WAs for your CDs and main abilities and hide your action bars

[earnest swallow]

yep, alright thanks!

[edgy bone]

Could you help explain why corrosive organ is good?

I have 639 and it regularly does 1% overall or less

Seems God awful compared to heroic sacbrood

[honest hare]

is it worth for prot to take any other gems then one mainstat and the others Deadly Emerald? like for fury to take one of everyone to get the most crit form main gem?

[sweet summit]

a lot of us use the speed one of we use it

[tardy abyss]

I feel like we see 10+ people a day asking something related to trinkets because theyre running swarmlords

Solely because they refuse to read a guide instead of copying top warriors

[wicked pollen]

i mean i think its fine if you copy and do research and test

[tardy abyss]

Debatable

[wicked pollen]

but doing one without other is grief

idk

for aug i copy kess

and i go in aug discord read everything i can

[tardy abyss]

I think it depends on the context

Thing is

Lots of people who copy dont do any research

They just believe what they do is the best

[wicked pollen]

[tardy abyss]

Research is also a broad term

You could argue that checking all top 20 top warriors is researching

When prob 17 of them are just copying too

[fresh pilot]

tbh i tried swarmlords, i did not like it at all. so im Skamorak and Broodsac, that for me is a strong combo

[tardy abyss]

I wish I had shard/mark on myth track, only thing Im missing 😦

Couldve rolled on the transmitter on our first Princess kill yesterday but thats the last thing I wanna deal with

[wicked pollen]

we just hate doing damage

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah! Take this mixed ones

[fresh pilot]

But why is it that EVERYONE is running Swarmlords? i cant really see the beneficial factor in it, compared to Queens mandate or shard/mark?

[wicked pollen]

they see healing done and lose mind

[sweet summit]

it's the best defensive trinket available + it has haste and that activates some neurons in some brains

[fresh pilot]

understood - thanks for explaining. id stick to shard 😛

[violet ginkgo]

Trust me a lot of tank players still “I am a tank I need both defensive trinkets on my slots.”

[fresh pilot]

I mean, i think i would swap out Shard for a Queens mandate, just because its so high dmg. but Broodsac and Shard works great for me atm.

[untold skiff]

hey all, I normally don't have trouble deciding on vault but looking for advice this time. I'm not sure how impactful shattered sorrow effect is compared to just the stat gains for a 639 cloak or if a 639 shield is worth it just cause the shield block increase

[fresh pilot]

Id always say shield over anything.. its your biggest defensive upgrade

[jovial nest]

Hey I have a Vault question

I need both the boots and chest. Is my thinking flawed in that I think I should pick the boots because they are rarer than the chest?

I mean I could catalyst any Myth chest, while those are the only boots with Haste/Versa.

Regarding which one is technically the bigger upgrade then the answer would be the chest simply due to the design of chests having more stats.

Thanks in advance

[fresh pilot]

You can also catalyst any boots into crit/haste boots though

Which i would say beats versa

[jovial nest]

People seem to be stacking a lot of versa over crit for mythics though?

[tardy abyss]

Its pretty even

Vers helps more vs magic damage & dots whereas crit gives you more def against melee hits

But since we dont struggle with the former...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Except bleeds, fuck bleeds

[untold skiff]

so my current shield is at 636, with only the 3ilvl increase is it still worth taking the shield over the stat increase from a 639 cloak to replace my 626 shattered sorrow? Is it because the cloak effect is that strong or just because shield doing shield things per usual

[jovial nest]

Thanks for the advice Stjpa and Karanka. Could I just ask what you would do in my situation?

[tardy abyss]

Oh I didnt check that screenshot hold on

If you dont have a myth chest then you should pick that

Its a piece that gives way more stats than just boots

And as long as you dont drop a lot of haste any secondary stat will be good

[jovial nest]

Thanks again 👍👍

[tardy abyss]

yw

[mild swallow]

Some of you tanked Rasha'nan Mythic? My guild is coming up on it, I hear it's tricky with the way he chains the tankbusters. Any tips before I jump in please?

[jagged pier]

u taunt during the cast

[jagged pier]

i dunno maybe the 5% strength it gives u so its 5% dps from the strength alone

[indigo radish]

Hey new here. Im lvl 27 and is thinking about becoming a tank. What will be a good lvl to do this and what dungeon should I spam to cont. to lvl up.

[potent osprey]

you can swap now and just spam timewalking to level

[bold tide]

is ara kara sac 626 better than refracting aggresion module 639 ?

[tardy abyss]

Yes

[bold tide]

okay thanks

[tardy abyss]

Altho you could sim it to be sure

[indigo radish]

That’s not in Classic era ATM right?

[potent osprey]

I doubt it. I don't have any info for you if you're playing classic

[indigo radish]

Np thank you

[dusky canopy]

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

This is the classic warrior discord

They have archived vanilla info,
Season of Discovery info,
And Cata info

[vale venture]

I got the Skarmorak Shard at myth in my Vault. I got the Swarmlords at hero. Many players got the Shard instead of the Swarmlords. Do they use it because of the Blockchance?

[jagged pier]

they use it because its massive damage spike that lines up with your cds

[vale venture]

Makes sense, so its worth it?

[heavy sparrow]

Just learn the way of the shield

[jagged pier]

well as swarmloards does very little expcept smooth damage yes

[vale venture]

Okay, thank you 🙂

[heavy sparrow]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/mcaulkiner/

I got the shield and pants yesterday and the mace from vault things are looking good.

Now I can finally play the game and start taking mythics seriously

Gotta farm those gilded now

[cyan bronze]

You don’t have 11.0.7 ring

You’re behind

[fossil spade]

Just starting on mythic queen. My co tank is bdk. I noticed all the logs with that combo have war take liquify and bdk takes feast. Is there a reason for that? I’ve been trying to figure out why through logs but I’m not the best at researching that way.

I know there’s all of a dozen kills for pwar so it’s not the easiest to find out

[plush tendon]

doesnt matter too much

[fossil spade]

My guess is because of how much more healing they take

[cyan bronze]

bdks are fat and need the extra feast

[jagged pier]

cause they can help heal the absorb shield

u cant

would be my guess

[plush tendon]

we also do BDK/Prot War

I actually take Liqiudfy on Blood and the Prot War takes Feast

I'm still up in the air what would be better... but it works fine enough

IDK @limpid ruin what ya think?

[fossil spade]

On heroic I always took feast because I take so much less physical damage compared to bdk

But all the logs say otherwise.

So we are just making the swap. I’m sure it really doesn’t matter

[plush tendon]

At least from a BDK perspective; its much easier to play San when you take Liquidfy

since you dont need the extra CDR on Lichbourne to cover all the feasts

also.... I have a tendency to pull aggro off a prot war

[limpid ruin]

Its really just up to the healers. Its super chill to take feast but they need to heal it off because you cant really help

Like you wont die but you eat up globals. I assume you have a hpriest, that makes it easy tbh

[plush tendon]

oh shit, no Sohka on Thursday....

[limpid ruin]

Ya thats cursed. Hes like 50% of the hps including me into that thing

And thats not including GA

[plush tendon]

we can prob just swap

how hard is your job anyways

[fossil spade]

So does my bdk with sang bite and mad queens

[fossil spade]

Yea we have gs for 1 and 3

[pallid quiver]

The other thing is that since Liquefy is spell blockable, if you crit block, the buster is pretty much almost entirely negated

So there's nothing to fix on your end if spell block is up, which it would be for Liquefies 1&3

[warm plinth]

You're spell blockable

Gottem

[cyan bronze]

she spell on my block til i entirely negate the tank buster

[pallid quiver]

I can't believe he's calling me the product of wizardry

[plush tendon]

as of about... 5 minutes ago, Im now taking Feast and the Prot War is taking liquidfy

[limpid ruin]

And now I do nothing all fight

Also means I won the argument from like 2 weeks ago

@plush tendon Hold that L for the rest of the tier

[plush tendon]

I just wanted Sohka to have fun

[pallid quiver]

Just solo tank it and have a dps eat the other buster and just brez them, ez

[fossil spade]

I’m planning out my defensives. Can spell block first and third

And shield block 2nd and 3rd

With last stand on 2nd

[limpid ruin]

Tbh I do think you were right as long as you have a priest. But a technical win is still a win

[pallid quiver]

I think you can squeeze in a spell reflect on one of them, iirc, was it the 2nd? And it's up before roots go out

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/quack-meetquack-nouns-noggles-atrium-gif-2314449005416116291

this is you for all of Anseruk now

[limpid ruin]

[plush tendon]

reminds me of Tindrel

and Fyrakk

[limpid ruin]

I did stuff in fyrakk. That was my replacement

Tindral I looked pretty, way more impressive then the boss stuff

[crisp crown]

guys, very dumb question probably, but how can i macro ravager and skarmorak shard on 1 button? now i got this but it doesnt work
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast Ravager
/use 14

the trinket works, but ravager doesnt

when i change ravager with Avatar it does work, probably has something to do with ravager being a point click ability thing?

[fringe chasm]

Yeah, prob want a [@player] or [@cursor] macro to depending what you want

[crisp crown]

@player works but its kinda shitty no?

gonna try cursor now

gotta wait for cd kek

cursor works too, dope! thanks

[half sapphire]

I think actual answer is wrong order, if you do it other way you should get the circle placement

[honest hare]

hey, how do i decide which trinket i use when i have ovinax egg, sirkan's arsenal and skyterror's organ 🤔

just sim it and take whichever does more dmg?

[half sapphire]

But you want to macro it to avatar or spear since those are the actual dps buttons

[lofty warren]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/all-updated-world-of-warcraft-race-class-combinations-as-of-the-war-within-patch-11-0-5/

Don't understand this post, it doesn't show the bis race for each class

[mighty valley]

it's just showing which classes they can be

no one should bother stressing about "bis race"

just make a character you like

[pallid quiver]

Sorry, I can only like SUPREME OPTIMUM to match how SUPREME OPTIMUM my nether regions are

[proven plume]

until you see a demon hunter route skip with shadowmeld lol

[rain light]

bis race are nelf and dwarf, rest dont matter

[urban bane]

xd can't believe people didn't know how to execute my route skip tech on my weekly 10

[rain light]

the route of pressing w

[south sparrow]

Has anyone else had issue that Sikran(3rd boss in raid) does double phase lunge attack?

[proven plume]

yeah you can have dwarf racial cleanse last boss sieges dot or you could have a nightborne aoe slow

[mighty valley]

hey now they're about to increase the damage on that from irrelevant to irrelevant + 1

i do play a nightborne, i get a lot of complaint equity out of it

"i'd be doing 16s if i had dwarf racial" after i die to one hundred backhits

[proven plume]

im a lightforged dranei prot warrior and one of the racials only proccs on death so lol

[mighty valley]

oh so you're looking to take the 100 backhits

[proven plume]

for that fat 100k dmg on death

[mighty valley]

optimal

[dusky canopy]

Backshots are bad for your health

[mighty valley]

i'm pleading once more that we don't call them "backshots"

[dusky canopy]

Oh yes we do!

[south sparrow]

when you have dwarf racial there is also big bonus of getting to look like a dwarf.

[dusky canopy]

😈

[proven plume]

yeah it has happened to me before but im not sure why

[warm plinth]

Hi

[urban bane]

Hi :D

[tribal wharf]

imagine how toxic dwarf demon hunter would be

based on dwarf dk and priest

[cyan bronze]

That’s not what my boyfriend says but ok

[tribal wharf]

i really think the racials are totally fine lots of stuff works for different classes and group types

[cyan bronze]

Are you currently hitting the bong

[tribal wharf]

i think dwarf is over valued

[cyan bronze]

Have you seen the other racials

[tribal wharf]

i think alot of things about racials are overblown :S

[cyan bronze]

Sure

[strong forum]

What if I am the SUPREME OPTIMUM

[cyan bronze]

But the disparity isn’t

[tribal wharf]

night elf fade or whatever for example

[cyan bronze]

Well besides the fact you can complete negate mechanics with it

Yeah it’s not good

[tribal wharf]

thats like divine intervention in a sense then

[cyan bronze]

Also it’s mandatory for vdh to be nelf in m+

[pallid quiver]

you're going to fucking kill me from laughter

[cyan bronze]

Or you’re trolling

[tribal wharf]

they are designing the game around the crap part

[cyan bronze]

Since you can’t misery skip

[pallid quiver]

my death will be on your hands, mr theorycrafter