I have both, generally rock one def and one dps, better to go with both, or go x2 dps?
#protection
idle copper
tropic tangle
swarmlord isn't some type of run saving defensive trinket
think most are probably best off with 2x dps trinks
sacbrood + on use (shard, mark or transmitter)
idle copper
Kinda just running it as it does a metric tonne of healing (over the course of the run) and some of the top guys are using it
tender glen
thane or colossus for tyran week
tardy abyss
Kinda just running it as it does a metric tonne of healing (over the course of t...
Neither has any meaning
Healing is only useful if it actually helps
And top guys are not always playing optimally, and mathematically speaking that trinket is dog
strong forum
thane or colossus for tyran week
its always tyran week
if you do +10 or higher fort and tyr are always active
thane for survivability
colossus for damage
jagged gust
Colo has +1 keybinds, nearly unplayable imo
rain swan
@wicked pollen i just timed my first 10 gb ++10, i dont know if it was your tips or i got a really good team lol
btw, i tried to save my logs and upload them but the wcl uploader fails: An unexpected error has occurred: "Unexpected token '<', "<!DOCTYPE "... is not valid JSON"
anyone seen this before?
oh nvm, it was because i updated my password: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zgZ7jphGyXBtRL48
does that look better?
wicked pollen
your amount of casts is up
but you are still dropping shield block
having shield block up lets your shield slams do more damage
rain swan
cerulean vine
Ahh makes sense. Thank you! I'm not super familiar how diminishing returns work on WoW so I wasn't completely sure as to why this was the case.
wild chasm
Exactly what Gio said ^
keen leaf
is hammer of light 5 holy power? Im casting it with 3 but it says 5, what spell am I missing
wrong channel
wild chasm
Yeah xD
keen leaf
ignore me xD
wicked pollen
i think?
keen leaf
yeah im trying to figure out why its 3 when it says 5, I know its just a spell im missing somewhere
lol
obsidian frost
Is there any min maxing for larynx or just send it on CD?
sterile vessel
hey , what Embellishments to use on ring for prot ?
quiet monolith
Last boss of arakara I can leap the suck in right ? Are there any tips for that ?
Is there anything worth reflecting ? My reflect was fucking me up by leaping to a puddle
And reflect would cancel the root
jagged gust
hey , what Embellishments to use on ring for prot ?
ring embellishes are pretty limited, I believe the only viable choice is lens
jagged gust
Last boss of arakara I can leap the suck in right ? Are there any tips for that ...
When she gets to ~.9 sec left on the cast your character will do a little hop animation, after the hop is your queue to leap
quiet monolith
Does it matter how far I leap ?
jagged gust
As long as you're outside her outlined aoe you're fine. The hop is combined with a giant pull that is supposed to guarantee you can't use a movement spell to outrun the effect, but there's nothing afterwards other than her aoe going off.
grand mantle
is the embalichment Darkmoon sigil: Ascension any good for prot warrior or rather go for the Lining?
wild chasm
is the embalichment Darkmoon sigil: Ascension any good for prot warrior or rathe...
For M+ if you don't chain pull Ascension will have lower value than going double lining.
grand mantle
For M+ if you don't chain pull Ascension will have lower value than going double...
oke, i already ave double lining on shield and boots so it wont be bad to put ascension on it?
wild chasm
You can't have more than 2 embellishments equipped at once
grand mantle
You can't have more than 2 embellishments equipped at once
Oke
wild chasm
And usually if you go for Ascension you take the other embellishment that doubles it's effects
heavy sparrow
when SIMMING for gear, do you HAVE to input things in manually or is there an easier way to use our own gear into the simulator?
blazing zinc
hmm someone here said "if your group takes too long to kill them all it will leap around and eat the ones left" 🤔 so now I'm confuse - does the boss ever go and eat them without them being kited inside of him by fixated players or not? 🙏
tardy abyss
It
does
not
And if anyone claims that the boss does that they have absolutely no clue and shouldnt be trusted with any other statements either
blazing zinc
Thank you so much for clarification! ❤️
@tardy abyss and tank can never be fixated?
at least I don't think I ever was
but making sure
grand mantle
Why does every mountainthane prot warrior plays a haste versa build in M+ while wowhead and this discord says haste and crit is the best?
mild swallow
What do you guys macro Swarmlord's use on? Demo Shout/Shield Wall?
pallid quiver
You'd want it as an entirely different button, and most of the regulars here don't even run Swarmlords
tardy abyss
Why does every mountainthane prot warrior plays a haste versa build in M+ while ...
Because people love copying higher rio warriors
Who tend to not play optimally
pallid quiver
Why does every mountainthane prot warrior plays a haste versa build in M+ while ...
Also, it doesn't really matter
As long as you have secondaries at all, you're good
tardy abyss
In this case its whatever since crit and vers have different strengths, the difference is marginal
grand mantle
my stats look now like this for M+, is this good or shall i put more Crit?
pallid quiver
Haste/Crit just gets you more damage than Haste/Vers
mild swallow
You'd want it as an entirely different button, and most of the regulars here don...
Really? What do you have instead?
tardy abyss
Youre very low crit
pallid quiver
Really? What do you have instead?
Most run double damage trinkets of whatever they have, preference for high value trinkets like Mandate and the like
If you're willing to play the minigame while tanking, Transmitter's also good
grand mantle
Haste/Crit just gets you more damage than Haste/Vers
allright nice, so i think i am fine with this, and later ill just farm a crit haste gear set for fun
pallid quiver
You don't need any of the defensive trinkets in pool, and they barely make any real major difference since they're all
not good
pallid quiver
allright nice, so i think i am fine with this, and later ill just farm a crit ha...
Yeah, as long as you're slapping on your highest ilvl, you're fine, even if it doesn't have haste
tardy abyss
As long as you have lots of haste youre fine
pallid quiver
It'll feel bad if it doesn't have haste, but all the secondaries are good for us
grand mantle
i can make my crit go to 14% if it helps xD
tardy abyss
But hey, 38% haste unbuffed
grand mantle
i lose 2 % vers though
tardy abyss
Im running only 6% vers
And I have 6% because of embellishments lol
Otherwise it would be like 3 or 4
pallid quiver
Easiest way to handle it is to just chuck it at the sims for DPS; all the stats are very close defensively in the long run, so trying to optimize defensively is an exercise in futility
grand mantle
ye the simming always says Crit haste is beating vers haste because crit just does more damage
lets see, im gonna farm that crit gear set and i can test 🙂
tardy abyss
Just make sure you play roar instead of spear if you have low crit and care about dps
pallid quiver
Yeah, which is why it's more recommended over vers is specifically just because of that
They're both decent defensively over the course of an encounter and a dungeon
grand mantle
oke
thanks all for the info!
i have mainly just been checking warcraftlogs to see what other high score prot warriors run and just kinda copy that.
tardy abyss
Youre better off copying the guides and asking some stuff here if needed
grand mantle
oke
tardy abyss
wclogs / rio are not reliable as sometimes people take certain talents for very specific cases
Which are not necessarily optimal either
i.e. double shieldwall
grand mantle
Just make sure you play roar instead of spear if you have low crit and care abou...
so no spear with low crit, but instead roar?
tardy abyss
so no spear with low crit, but instead roar?
Yup
I have 20% crit and roar simmed like 50k higher (around 4.2%) still
So prob even more for you
tardy abyss
In a dungeon slice sim, that is
pallid quiver
Dungeon slice doesn't work for Prot, as fair warning; it's not maintained by any of the people who write our APLs
strong forum
APL isn't optimised for dungeon slice itself no, but it should work
pallid quiver
I suppose I should word it that way
strong forum
And the numbers im seeing there aren't much less than what I'm doing overall 
pallid quiver
For me, I'd consider that not working myself, but
strong forum
The prio the sim does is correct, but it doesn't hold cds for when next pull is in 20sec and so on
pallid quiver
I like to imagine that means it's just yeeting ravager during RP, even though that's not how that works.
strong forum
I don't think so
pallid quiver
you can't logic me out of believing otherwise; it's a lot funnier
solar hill
is it okay to do 2x duskthread embellish?
have one on shield and not sure where to put second embellish
pallid quiver
You might need to break your legs real fast to get under 80% then heal up, but yeah
solar hill
I see a lot of rings with the damage embeliish
violet ginkgo
just 2x dawn/dusk it and call it a day
unborn island
Do we use a weapon embellish at all? Couldn't see anything in pins and idk if icyveins is out of date
raw oracle
If you pull quickly, ascendance isn’t bad. If you’re dropping the buff consistently it’s kinda meh imo
fiery gale
you can't logic me out of believing otherwise; it's a lot funnier
Yeah I also prefer the playstyle with roar, and it‘s shorter CD
Roar I send on CD, but that damn spear I often forget because sometimes wanna wait for a good timing
And then forget
edgy bone
I like to imagine that means it's just yeeting ravager during RP, even though th...
What is RP
edgy bone
Any high level M+ streamers still playing prot warrior? Who do we watch for advice and mentorship now? @strong forum
strong forum
mekes is your best bet
violet ginkgo
Let's watch nome instead.
edgy bone
I guess Kiratanks videos from one month ago are still applicable since I'm not timing +16s yet lol
orchid frigate
wth is it the mobs in NW do to you when they chunk half your hp in one hit?
untold bane
bonecarvers are nasty
orchid frigate
boneflay?
untold bane
y -15% max hp, stacking from each
orchid frigate
how can i mitigate that?
untold bane
initial hit can be block + ignore pained, debuff needs to expire
orchid frigate
alright
strong forum
can also parrz it
untold bane
oh thats cool to know. is every blockable spell from the spreadsheet also parryable?
every shield blockable spell to be precise
urban portal
oh thats cool to know. is every blockable spell from the spreadsheet also parrya...
that should be true
blazing zinc
Hello, I know it's been asked but may I please ask about Spear vs Roar? Somewhere I read that it's about your #2 prio stat being crit or vers. However, on Murlok I see even people with vers playing spear so I'm a bit confused, could anyone clear it up please? 😂 Thank you so much!
cyan bronze
are people perfectly optimal
generally
also
you cant take 2x stam points with roar
wild chasm
oh thats cool to know. is every blockable spell from the spreadsheet also parrya...
Spell block is for magic effects, parry is for physical effects. So for example spell block would negate damage from the magic slashes in GB and parry works for Boneflays in NW.
fleet flicker
went from +2ing a 13 mists without issue to getting assblasted by the double guardian packs in a 12
untold bane
Spell block is for magic effects, parry is for physical effects. So for example ...
I understand that I'm asking if that's true for every physical "effect" on the spreadsheet where shield block works
cyan bronze
went from +2ing a 13 mists without issue to getting assblasted by the double gua...
Did u hit defensives
wild chasm
I think all physical attacks are parryable, so unless it is explicitly stated that for example a bleed is unavoidable… You can parry it I guess?
untold bane
Seems so
mystic perch
Do we get no more catalyst charges?
sharp gale
hmm someone here said "if your group takes too long to kill them all it will lea...
The boss only jump on adds when they are too close, it’s the animation of failing the mechanic. The tank buster also is a jump on his target. This person maybe mistook these.
sharp gale
There is a max charge number
violet ginkgo
what is the max charge again? 8?
remote anchor
cause i got my 8 used
no
the cap is only for the max amount you can have
you get one every 2 weeks unless you are currently holding the maximum amount
fleet flicker
Correct
You can store 8 catalyst charges, so if you're at that cap when we get our next catalyst charge it just goes to waste.
sharp gale
what is the max charge again? 8?
Maybe like before, 10 charges idk, blizz seems to love max caps for quite some times, I doubt they changed their mind
sharp gale
Or 8 (i don’t know myself, others surely know more)
sharp gale
I think all physical attacks are parryable, so unless it is explicitly stated th...
It’s a specific flag topic, usually if a monk can dodge it (it becomes quickly known and nerfed), you can parry it
glacial totem
Is it possible to put Ravager and Champ Spear in the same macro and just spam that button to put them out one after the other at the same point where your mouse is?
glacial totem
Both are in gcd. You can use castsequence but felt like unreliable.
Ok thx
mighty valley
You want the freedom to cast ravager before you charge in anyway
wooden zodiac
Is there someone here with crazy knowhow about thats and stuff
remote anchor
what
subtle stream
Should I be using ignore pain with SB or after SB
true cliff
Should I be using ignore pain with SB or after SB
Both
subtle stream
ty
mortal vale
hello
I haven't seen any base numbers on Mastery for Prot. If my mastery is 30% (increases chance to critically block by 30%) what does that bring my total chance to critically block? What if I have shield block up?
true cliff
Both ignore pain and shield block are off the gcd. I have mine key bound to my mouse wheel.
mortal vale
@strong forum from my testing, 30% is not the correct amount. Also just by reading the tooltip, it states that it increases the (base) amount. Im testing around 60% chance to critical block.
sweet egret
can we skip to 2nd boss in ara kara as warriors? anyone got info about that? (trying to google at the same time) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qiqVe9qc8 found 🙂
mortal vale
also it seems the chance to critical block can hit a second time on the same block for example, I was hit for 28K but blocked 321k.
another example, Hit for 20k blocked 455k
it definitely has a chance to occur more than once on the same block
strong forum
also it seems the chance to critical block can hit a second time on the same blo...
Maybe you had a different DR up ontop of that
Maybe the mob itself hit for less
Maybe you had a bigger or smaller ignore pain
Maybe you had an absorb from a trinket or from the disc priest
30% is your crit block chance if you have 30% mastery
It really is that simple
strong forum
can we skip to 2nd boss in ara kara as warriors? anyone got info about that? (tr...
You can heroic leap over the barrier to the left after you killed the mob that spins the Web blocking the door
strong forum
go hit a practice dummy, look at your logs
The burden of proof is not on my end sorry pal
mortal vale
Im going to count 100 hits at 30% mastery.
and post the result
then i need you to go confirm please
strong forum
Needs to be a mob that doesn't increase it's damage output
All tank dummies increase their dmg output every few seconds
mortal vale
it shouldn't matter the damage, you can see block vs unblocked damage
I can easily determine if its CRit block or normal
strong forum
Sure thing
just to clarify for you, the tooltip doesnt withhold information https://i.imgur.com/uoPlfQj.png
it increases the base block chance by 7.5% and the crit block chance by 22.6% in my case
nothing more nothing less
it doesnt add the crit block chance twice to "whatever the base crit block chance is"
because there is no base crit block chance aside from the 12% mastery we have with 0 mastery on our gear
its 12% with 0 mastery
and then the added mastery we have from stats, in my case 10.58% coming out to 22.58% total crit block chance
hope this clears some confusion!
mortal vale
@strong forum I tested it and you're correct.
strong forum
sweet egret
Is it possible to put Ravager and Champ Spear in the same macro and just spam th...
yes, u can make a castsequence macro that uses them after one another (one gcd apart)
sweet egret
Is there someone here with crazy knowhow about thats and stuff
I know crazy amounts of thats
fossil shoal
Spell Block + Shield Block = block all spells?
wild chasm
Not all, but a decent amount. Check the spell reflect spreadsheet in the pins, it has list of blockable spells as well
round storm
Anyone have a weakaura for when you get a free revenge proc ?
mighty valley
Revenge proc barely matters
urban portal
hope this clears some confusion!
This was a good mini arc
chilly brook
<@192743144276623360> I tested it and you're correct.
color me surprised that the guy who is the theorycrafter for spec actually knows what he's talking about
cyan bronze
color me surprised that the guy who is the theorycrafter for spec actually knows...
Bro
I can’t fucking find that color in my crayola pack
chilly brook
I can’t fucking find that color in my crayola pack
It's the special USMC pack
cyan bronze
Fuck
chilly brook
https://tenor.com/view/treys-trades-trey-crayons-amc-eat-crayons-dumb-money-gif-16763865193171735037
orchid frigate
people play with thunderous roar instead of spear nowadays?
at least accoring to archon data: https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/protection/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/10/all-dungeons/this-week
wicked pollen
if you do not have a lot of crit
its mostly done when playing haste vers instead of haste crit
wicked pollen
there is no cutoff
orchid frigate
so whats a lot of crit then?
wicked pollen
you dont care about #
you listen to the robot
if yuo want to learn about crit vs vers
cyan bronze
Can you teach me about defense rating from classic instead
glacial totem
yes, u can make a castsequence macro that uses them after one another (one gcd a...
Oh cool! How would that look if so?
cyan bronze
High key I really do not recommend it
pallid quiver
Can you teach me about defense rating from classic instead
Yeah, it's been taken out back and shot since moving to Cata Classic
cyan bronze
No but I need to know for my +7 push key
sweet egret
Oh cool! How would that look if so?
at a base level "/castsequence Ravager, Champion's Spear"
you can put "#showtooltip" "@cursor" "@player" "reset=5" (number being how many seconds u want to elapse between presses before it reverts back to ravager without actually casting spear) etc
I would not recommend putting them in the same button though
I have them on different buttons like this "#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Ravager" and the same for spear
sweet egret
I do however also have ravager in my avatar macro like this
"#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Blood Fury
/cast [@cursor] Ravager"
since both avatar and blood fury (orc racial) are off the gcd it casts all three spells at once
glacial totem
I would not recommend putting them in the same button though
Thanks! Why not have them on same btw?
cyan bronze
You lose functionality
sweet egret
vulnerable
sweet egret
where can I post log review of a m+ run?
cyan bronze
Here or #449510248579858432
pallid quiver
You're doing fairly well overall, though you're still wasting a decent amount of rage (26 full bars worth) and criminally underutilizing some of your defensives. You only had 17 casts of shield wall in a 32 min dungeon, when it has a CD of like 50s. On top of that, it almost certainly should have been off CD during the death you had to getting slapped by a bunch of synced melees at the same time. You also should have had SB up during that time frame, but even if you didn't, you likely would have lived if you pressed Shield Wall
sweet egret
I died on purpose
pallid quiver
though if you're dying on purpose, i recommend being in battle
You can strive to send a few more outbursts on SS instead of TC, since there's still a decent amount of outbursted TC uses, since I wager you're not mega bungo pulling yet
And I haven't checked how much down time was around, but you can likely push a few more casts per minute if there wasn't too much, since SS can get like 18-20 CPM in constant combat
sweet egret
I am sending them on tc on purpose for aoe dps, is it not worth unless ultra big pulls?
pallid quiver
It takes a lot of mobs to send it on TC over SS
Specifically TC and not TB
It only starts being worth it for sheer damage purposes around 8 mobs or so
pallid quiver
TB you can send it on more comfortably because it does fuck huegs damage compared to normal TC, and it also, notably, generates more rage that makes the tradeoff less noticeable
cyan bronze
2 iirc
pallid quiver
You'll still send most of your outbursts on SS due to extended time swinging at bosses and just TB not being available,
As well as sending TB stacks so you don't overflow on them and all,
sweet egret
I have been sending claps with outburst on purpose for dmg, specifically watching for it
pallid quiver
But it's not nearly as bad, even in ST, as sending it on TC
pallid quiver
It's not even worth fussing over, really. As an example, here's a random log of Nomes in Thane with Outburst use:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AxZQn18YBVHTJ7Ky#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=5&sourcebuffs=386478
sweet egret
why should I spend shield walls when I'm not doing anything dangerous?
pallid quiver
Only 8 were ever sent on TC, with 13 going to TB over the course of 23 mins
pallid quiver
why should I spend shield walls when I'm not doing anything dangerous?
It just reduces the damage you're taking at all
Makes more smart heals go to other people,
cyan bronze
If your gonna waste an entire charge of it
pallid quiver
Makes you more stable,
sweet egret
yes, I'm aware but if I use it when I don't need it I might not have it when I need it
cyan bronze
yes, I'm aware but if I use it when I don't need it I might not have it when I n...
Not really
pallid quiver
It's like asking "why press damage button if die anyway?"
cyan bronze
Dungeons are pretty scripted
pallid quiver
yes, I'm aware but if I use it when I don't need it I might not have it when I n...
Then you don't know what actually hurts
You use it as often as possible while having it for what you need it for
It's like a 50s CD when playing well
You can comfortably send it at the start of pretty much every trash pack
Which also means it'll be up for when you need it against boss tankbusters
And the start of packs is generally where damage is the highest and you need it for trash, too
cyan bronze
I generally use it while I walk up to the pack so it falls off before anything hits me
But yeah
sweet egret
cool, I will change that too
cyan bronze
I generally use it while I walk up to the pack so it falls off before anything h...
(It scares the mobs)
pallid quiver
As an example, Nome in that GB had the exact same number of uses of it as you in a dungeon that took 10 less minutes
sweet egret
It's like asking "why press damage button if die anyway?"
I mean, it isn't? nobody was in danger of dying, healer with full mana
in a pug shit can hit the fan fast
but I know cd is low so I try to use it liberally
but I am naturally able to use it more liberally 🙂
cyan bronze
It’s just better practice
sweet egret
I understand
cyan bronze
in a pug shit can hit the fan fast
Sure, but you shouldn’t be hitting the fan
Unless something random is getting body pulled
pallid quiver
If something hits the fan so fast that you die, either you made a huge mistake or something catastrophic has happened that killed the entire group
sweet egret
I was not hitting the fan and I still had shield wall for if that was about to happen 😛
cyan bronze
Or people let a bolt set go off entirely on you, but you’d likely end up hitting sw after the dmg goes off
pallid quiver
It's the same sort of thing as holding offensive CDs for "the right time"
cyan bronze
I was not hitting the fan and I still had shield wall for if that was about to h...
The idea is that the key is mostly scripted
pallid quiver
you lose damage doing that waiting for "The Magic Moment Brought To You By Disney"
cyan bronze
What is realistically going to happen that makes you hit the fan
pallid quiver
because you'll lose casts
cyan bronze
Mob isn’t gonna cast a new tankbuster because a dps messed up
sweet egret
yes, as I've said, I thank you for helping me and I understand what you're saying and agreeing
pallid quiver
Mob isn’t gonna cast a new tankbuster because a dps messed up
we should bring back parries resetting the boss' swing timer; it'd be funny
cyan bronze
Goodbye
sweet egret
I feel like that was still a thing in mists?
sweet egret
no, cataclysm was what came to mind
pallid quiver
I feel like that was still a thing in mists?
I want to say Cata got rid of the mech, though they could still parry through Mists
pallid quiver
since expertise caps were still a thing for tanks in Mists
sweet egret
mawmaw
thorny trench
Hi everyone!
I'm a new Protection Warrior tank and I'm loving the experience so far. I have a couple of questions:
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How can I determine which trinkets are best for me? I know there aren't any tank sims available, so is there a general method or resource I can use to make informed decisions?
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Can you recommend any YouTube creators or streamers who main a Warrior and focus on guides or Mythic+ runs? I'd love to learn more about the class and improve my gameplay.
Thanks in advance for your help!
cyan bronze
Sim
sweet egret
cyan bronze
Wowhead
thorny trench
Ty 🙂
And do you have any YouTube channel to recommend?
cyan bronze
I don’t recommend YouTube guides for wow, generally ever
Gets outdated very very quickly and generally devolves to being misinformation
More than anything else
thorny trench
I kinda understand why, but the thing is I'm not just new to prot warrior I'm also new to WoW. I watch guides for beginners and it helps to visualize things
cyan bronze
Quazii is good for beginners
jagged pier
Quazii is good for beginners
Might be good for general stuff but as a class guide i wouldnt trust
He also just rerolls to whats 'meta'
cyan bronze
He also just rerolls to whats 'meta'
Ye
Not recommending it for prot war stuff
At all
cyan bronze
I don’t recommend YouTube guides for wow, generally ever
I do not like wow YouTube videos for class stuff
But for general knowledge he can be serviceable
pallid quiver
Hi everyone!
I'm a new Protection Warrior tank and I'm loving the experience so ...
For future reference, tank trinkets you'll generally have to read up on, since whether they're actually useful or not is incredibly spotty with current game design. They're either Extremely strong or
just run DPS trinkets
thorny trench
The reason I'm asking about the trinkets cuz I have 4 trinkets and I don't know what to choose, I thought they all strong, but looking at wowhead I think they all suck xD
thorny trench
So is simming for damage ok? I thought it's not relevant
sweet egret
u can't sim for anything else
thorny trench
Yeah I know so I thought I shouldn't even sim
sweet egret
it is relevant and working
wicked pollen
if you want damage
thorny trench
I see
wicked pollen
🤖
thorny trench
I know this is like common knowledge to you guys, but this is actually helping me a lot
So ty
jagged pier
its relevant because survivbility comes from play not trinkets or stats
so u can survive with correct play and your highest dps stats
u will die not playing correctly regardless of stats
obsidian girder
hey guys, quite fresh 80, ilvl 590 and tanked my first +4. Shieldblock uptime 88% is not enough i guess ?
cosmic olive
any tank up for a 14 Grim Batol?
obsidian girder
blocked hits matters
Okay and how many hits is good
quiet monolith
Man, pug life is so brutal this season. I can't seem to break into 12s. Hard getting invites as not prot pally
obsidian girder
Okay, is this readable in details ?
quiet monolith
Finally get in and some random thing happens and someone dies and ev ryone quits
sweet egret
Okay, is this readable in details ?
it is not, u can see it in logs
violet ginkgo
Man, pug life is so brutal this season. I can't seem to break into 12s. Hard get...
you should've pushed early when prot warrior considered meta, push=meta.
sweet egret
I don't find it difficult at all
I did mostly 12s last week but I don't think it changed from last week to this week
quiet monolith
Well I think it's because I have no timed 12s
sweet egret
I also didn't
quiet monolith
I only get invited to keys with other people who haven't timed them
Oh hm, I don't know then. It takes me forever to get an invite and I don't think I have died personally in any key I've tried
And none of them have made it to the end
I've been sitting at like 2725 io for two weeks
sweet egret
you can always make your own key
obsidian girder
it is not, u can see it in logs
Kk thx
sweet egret
I started pushing 13s this week
solo pugging
works completely fine as a prot warrior with currently 2892 rio
maybe it depends on when u search
vital vale
what do you guys do on second boss NW if dps isn't helping you interrupt and cc adds? how do you group them efficiently as warr?
this is the only dungeon i still struggle to tank as warr. every other dungeon is smooth
also the first pull on NW feels horrid
vital vale
sure, but i still feel like i can be going about it better. but picking up aggro on them is just a mess
sweet egret
there is no way for you to interrupt all the mages and bring the archers
I like playing with interrupt shout and that helps
orchid frigate
if i run around trying to interrupt mages it usually ends up with rest of the group getting aggro 😦
sweet egret
but u can't use it on every wave
broken shoal
Are you tanking it in a corner
vital vale
no, should i?
broken shoal
It helps the adds be a little less spread out
vital vale
which corner do you use
sweet egret
it helps, but you still can't control everything alone
broken shoal
I tank it in the corner by the stairs
vital vale
hmm i see
broken shoal
No, you still need some help but it's a big difference in how hectic it feels
orchid frigate
guess its one of those encounters where you have to trust the rest of the group 😄
sweet egret
you can do a lot to get/keep aggro though
so there is room for playing better or worse
ravager, spear, shout, stormbolt, shockwave, taunt + leap to reset taunt, heroic throw
broken shoal
The archer and mages shoot whatever they want, so long as you're controlling the warriors and interrupting you're doing basically all you can
orchid frigate
is it a bad idea to mix and match about with crit/vers or do i have to try to get full into one of them?
sweet egret
it is not a bad idea, doesn't matter much afaik
orchid frigate
kk
sweet egret
ilvl is more important
orchid frigate
ah gonna craft a new ring then
vital vale
The archer and mages shoot whatever they want, so long as you're controlling the...
oh i didnt know that, thats huge
so threat irrelevant on them?
broken shoal
You still want it because if the mages get interrupted they're going to start meleeing
quiet monolith
Shield charge is also an int, so I usually ravager for random threat on warriors, run to one mage to kick, shield charge the second, leap to the crossbow
orchid frigate
heard some friends talking about that you need rings of certain colors. anyone that knows what they were on about?
like you have to have 1 red 1 blue etc
gems*
damn im too tired to think/type
tropic tangle
gems will activate whatever meta gem bonus you have
orchid frigate
yeah that was what i knew about gems. so i guess i just misunderstood
orchid frigate
haven played a lot of protwar recently, last time i tried it was in S1 shadowlands and i feel so much more powerful now
that season made me gave up tanking till now xD
obsidian girder
Hey, any thoughts on Engi bracers and Google's, should I consider them with haste?
pallid quiver
haven played a lot of protwar recently, last time i tried it was in S1 shadowlan...
S1 SL was pretty notable in that tanks as a whole felt very weak. Iirc, it was so rough, VDH was the main tank pick because it could kite best. They fixed that fairly fast I think, but I also played like a week of Shadowlands until late S3
pallid quiver
Hey, any thoughts on Engi bracers and Google's, should I consider them with hast...
And the main reason to consider Engi stuff was for the combat rez
But you can buy a brez item now, so
fossil shoal
Spell Block + Shield Block = block all BLOCKABLE spells? Wording is weird but I thought it means you are now able to block spells + Shield Block giving you 100%
pallid quiver
I'm not sure what your specific issue is, but yes, spell block just makes you able to block spells that are able to be blocked
So spell block still needs you to press shield block for the 100% block chance
And some spells, by Blizz's whimsy, just can't be blocked
Usually it's dots you can't block, but that's up to Blizz's whims. For example, being able to block the dot portion of Princess' tankbuster, but not the initial hit
fossil shoal
Thanks. I was just trying to clarify the wording
my friend didn't realize that it works with shield block
to make it a 100%
median garnet
Does anyone know what the maximum uptime you can have on shield block?
remote anchor
100% probably
violet ginkgo
24 secs I believe? I think someone ever said it was 3x of base, we have 8 secs base so 3x will be 24 secs. But bolster exclude from this 24 secs.
pallid quiver
Technically base we have 6 seconds of SB; Enduring Chnages it to 8
violet ginkgo
But well at this point not taking the extra 2 secs talent seems griefing right?
pallid quiver
It's the single best block talent by a lot, but you do drop it for the raid execute build
cyan bronze
It’s on a choice node with a talent almost doubling execute range
It’s a very high power node
crude flame
hey guys, I'm very sick of trying to time Stonevault +10 with my warr, I went today several times, one with guys who had 2.7k and 2.8k rating and we even wiped in the first pull because fear wasn't interrupted and the evoker did not BL... any tips I can as Prot warrior do to smooth overall the dungeon? I try to once I pull all the different packs to stun them, try to use the 10%more hp cd when I see the party low, try to ping in the robot/oracle boss...but overall I feel my performance can't carry much more
SV and CoT are the last two dungeons I've got to time, I'm fearing CoT lol, I'm 622
tropic tangle
tbh if you only care about timing it on 10 - it's absolutely not necessary to do the triple at the start
you'd still want to double it, and you can easily roll that pull into the third after a caster or two dies to lower overall damage taken in the group
tropic tangle
best thing you can do - practice your part, which is efficiently pulling/grouping mobs and surviving
inner oracle
hey guys, I'm very sick of trying to time Stonevault +10 with my warr, I went to...
You can spec into AOE taunt that interrupt, take the fear caster in focus and keep your kick and stuns for it, it can’t live long enough to last all these CC. Can also plan a CC order with your group, so that you don’t overlap. Or as Denic said you can split since you’ll time easily if you go chill and don’t wipe
tropic tangle
also, you should focus on covering at least one critical kick
in every pack
so make sure you're interrupting that fear in the beginning
inner oracle
Same goes with the hallway pull in Skar side btw, if you pull everything it’s very dangerous without proper CC orders. Best to split if no big CDs in party or no CC order planned 🙂
I think it’s a much more dangerous pull than the 1st
tropic tangle
yeah, I mean the dungeon is not super tight if you press W, but it's pretty punishing on mistakes
Like, you wipe on a boss and it's death timer + a crappy run back
crude flame
You can spec into AOE taunt that interrupt, take the fear caster in focus and ke...
is there any link of that build?
crude flame
so make sure you're interrupting that fear in the beginning
that's my biggest achilles heel, there are like 20 monsters and I just can't click the correct plater
moreover I am forced to swap targets for several reasons
tropic tangle
start using a focus macro for your kick
you can target the correct enemy in the 10 sec before key starts, set it to focus, then use a focus kick macro to interrupt it in that pull without directly targetting it
crude flame
ok, will try
tropic tangle
it's something you should do anyway, not even specific to that pull
most typically the prio enemy that has the most health in the pack is not also the one that needs interrupted
so this lets you dump your ST abilities into that prio mob making the pull more efficient while still interrupting a different one
tepid reef
How do folks feel about this ?
https://keystone.guru/route/city-of-threads/7Y6CkSg/raiderio-weekly-route-bunten/1
3 and 4 seem to leash and pull together, and pull 5 felt very rough even in an 8?
wild chasm
Pull 5 is something you would never do. That's a similar one to the one next to the buff after first pull. Too much casts. People go that way only if they want to skip. But even then you should rather be skipping Heralds of Ansurek as much as possible
It's better to do more trash after 2nd boss actually. But this one hurts the tank the most due to stacking debuff
upbeat lake
Are there links to the most used WA for prot warrior? i was using luxthos WA and idk what happened since yesterday its all fucked now and everytime i try to fix it, it doesn't work, so now considering just switching to a new WA instead
placid raft
Rasha`nan as colossus is so fun
inner oracle
is there any link of that build?
for example
copper heath
i saw colossus prot was buffed slightly. worth taking or mountain thane still king by a landslide
violet ginkgo
For what content you mean?
copper heath
mythic plus
mighty valley
thane is still more durable, if you're afraid of dying a lot it's still the pick
heavy sparrow
what types of sim should I be simming when I am simming gear?
copper heath
thane is still more durable, if you're afraid of dying a lot it's still the pick
makes sense i guess. core concern with col is lack of rage gen
heavy sparrow
for Mythics & Mythic raiding
mighty valley
but colossus damage is sweet, can def play it in comfy keys
mighty valley
what types of sim should I be simming when I am simming gear?
i just do a 1 patchwerk 5 min sim and a 7 patchwerk 1.5 min no lust sim
nom says dungeon slice is alright but not super optimized
mighty valley
like i said, a 1 boss sim and a separate 7 target sim. (or 5 or whatever)
heavy sparrow
ty @mighty valley ❤️
sharp gale
for Mythics & Mythic raiding
For myth raid it’s 5 min 1 target patchwerk
Never vendor sell good ilvl items, you might sometimes sim for a particular boss
heavy sparrow
I did my first 11 last night
the rest of my keys pushed are like 5-8, I mainly raid
obsidian girder
Morning, just for my sanity. Found myself using execute excessively. Contributing about 10% to my DPS. Is this fine or should I avoid this button ?
mighty valley
Use it in place of revenge in single target, it's fine
violet ginkgo
if it is single or 2 targets you can use it, don't underestimate execute though it hit harder than fury's execute.
However yeah please be careful since it cost 40 rage, if you spam it too much might be dangerous but if you use it nicely it will result in a good dps.
obsidian girder
Okay thanks for your feedback
maiden ravine
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=312215/nose-for-trouble
It looks good on details but it's actual value I've heard mixed reviews on.
torpid dome
I had something odd happen on ansurek yesterday, I casted my spell reflect on silken tombs, however I was still entombed
Does acrid presence pop your spell reflect?
I casted spell reflect ca. 5 seconds before silken tombs triggered, so it should've been still up
nvm im dumb-ass, probably my timing was off
unborn sable
how much haste is too much haste in raid?
pallid quiver
Not possible to hit an amount that matters this season
sharp gale
Im waiting the guy who can show us 40% haste right now
frail ibex
This is not the raid version........................
sharp gale
This is not the raid version........................
Like 9 min and everyone was alive ?
frail ibex
Nope But I also have never seen a boss go longer than 5 mins with deaths
sharp gale
I saw skarmorak in SV taking 5 min everyone alive
frail ibex
Its just bad
frail ibex
idk how blizz fucked up tuning so bad
sharp gale
You have ITF I assume on the screen
frail ibex
No boss in a dung should be over 3 mins imo
frail ibex
You have ITF I assume on the screen
Maybe I did it to boost my haste
pallid quiver
just get it as a warbound drop, ez
sharp gale
Maybe I did it to boost my haste
It doesn’t go into rating
frail ibex
ik
torpid dome
is there a way to only do the last 2 bosses on BRD heroic?
Would be a good gilded crest farm every week 🥲
15 minutes for 30 crests
sharp gale
You can buy gilded with runed crests if you got some
Every X weeks I remember that and Wednesday I buy 30 or 45 gilded crests
sharp gale
It’s just a small side thing, it’s more to reach gilded weekly cap quicker before guild raid (so it doesn’t take 8 dungeons)
torpid dome
yeps
sharp gale
Like this week I bought 30 crests, had to do only 5 dungeons to cap and spend everything before raid, took me 1h30 hours, I went to uni the morning with the cap already done lol
sick sentinel
is prot meant to be a super fast spec? i feel like there's so many buttons to press so quickly, especially compared to blood dk which i usually play
pallid quiver
It's one of the fastest in the entire game
It's slower if you play Colossus, but it's generally still a bit on the quicker end
shrewd grove
is prot meant to be a super fast spec? i feel like there's so many buttons to pr...
It's fast afffffffffff. Part of the charm
torpid dome
I like it being fsat, you can just go with the rythm of things when you get the rotation correct
violet ginkgo
is prot meant to be a super fast spec? i feel like there's so many buttons to pr...
I mean while I heard blood DK also get haste, I don't think they religiously get as much haste as warrior? But I could be wrong.
Anyway since warrior wants to stack as much haste as you can, it will result in faster gcd and you can cast more because of the lower gcd.
tardy abyss
is prot meant to be a super fast spec? i feel like there's so many buttons to pr...
Yes, this spec has the highest APM in the game but that mostly comes from the haste we stack + all the buttons that are not in the gcd
IP pushes this number a lot
floral shoal
also here
love how everything is 639 and he still is hoping for a vault for his 626 1h:P
sharp gale
Im still waiting for a neck 
torpid dome
stop waiting for Sikran's 😦
Just craft one - it's what im gonna do this week at 636
marble cipher
I did just that, yesterday
Been aiming for sik neck for weeks now, no drops, no vault (was running champion sikran for the longest time now)
Gave up, crafted a 636 crit/haste neck, fck sikran now 😉
sharp gale
stop waiting for Sikran's 😦
Just craft one - it's what im gonna do this week at...
I will craft wrists if socket in next week vault (it’s in fury spec but have same items but rash cloak, hc sikran neck and different wrists as prot)
torpid dome
I will craft wrists if socket in next week vault (it’s in fury spec but have sam...
I have a crafted shield and wrists rn, but i will get a 3rd crafted piece (neck) as that's the last piece I need to get over 20k haste
sharp gale
I have a crafted shield and wrists rn, but i will get a 3rd crafted piece (neck)...
I had the luck to loot hc neck I guess…
torpid dome
yes, yes you did :-p
but you want at least 2 crafted pieces anyways for the embellishments
so shield + gloves are best option for most
sharp gale
It gives 4.5 k haste alone, I love it
torpid dome
I still need lots of mythic pieces anyways still
hardy snow
is there a way to only do the last 2 bosses on BRD heroic?
Would be a good gild...
yes, just join group that have save for last two
torpid dome
we still have a guy with a save before the final 2 bosses.
Could I enter BRD with him on an alt, to save it to the alt and then next week use my alt to launch the raid?
jaunty wyvern
Hey all, just learnt about intervening for the 1st boss in necrotic wakes spew, what other less known tech am I missing? Or where can I read about niche interactions
thorny trench
I do intervene in the trash before last boss in GB
jaunty wyvern
I do intervene in the trash before last boss in GB
When they get hit by the beam? (Can't remember the name)
thorny trench
Yes exactly
pallid quiver
It doesn't intercept anything,
It just gives the the magic shield if playing Thane
if you're not thane it does jack diddly
marble cipher
Hey all, just learnt about intervening for the 1st boss in necrotic wakes spew, ...
Intervene Fiery Ricochet second boss Siege.
Just be focused there cause you might intervene a ranged target (if just going by target of target), and you kinda wanna be back at the bosses feet asap or she starts gutshotting everyone
jaunty wyvern
Just be focused there cause you might intervene a ranged target (if just going b...
Lol good to mention ahah thanks
pallid quiver
Also, if you are thane and there's a melee, you might as well intervene them on CD outside of mechs/things to save intervene for
marble cipher
Mists maze trash: fox bite is an amazing help if you intervene that one, but it's a massive gamble because you can't see who he's casting it on 🤣
pallid quiver
Since it just makes them take less chip magic damage throughout a run
jaunty wyvern
Since it just makes them take less chip magic damage throughout a run
Ah interesting, makes sense thanks
pallid quiver
An individual cast isn't much absorb, but it really adds up through a run
jaunty wyvern
Thank you all, I need all the knowledge I can get, while i try to get into some 12s (finished timing my 11s today )
proven plume
Hey all, just learnt about intervening for the 1st boss in necrotic wakes spew, ...
Any fixate like Mist worms or NW fixates Ara bats flying to random ppl
winter stone
is there a "use defensives" weak aura pack for S1 dungeons somewhere? cant seem to find
sharp gale
Yep any fixates works, it’s what intervene is baseline / why dps can’t intervene the tank if for whatever reason they take it
minor hinge
HI, QQ yesterday I tanked queen normal for the first time. Sec Tank almost died a few times and he said I should taunt more... but I taunt every single time my DBM alerts me to do it. Should I taunt more?
hardy snow
HI, QQ yesterday I tanked queen normal for the first time. Sec Tank almost died ...
p1 or p3? cause tank swaps are slightly different in these phases
pallid quiver
HI, QQ yesterday I tanked queen normal for the first time. Sec Tank almost died ...
More than likely, they're playing very wrong, especially if it's normal
The P3 swap has the tank taking the Infest taunt back, since the tank taking the Devour takes extra damage
but it's minimal extra damage on normal, even if you're undergeared
minor hinge
p1
minor hinge
The P3 swap has the tank taking the Infest taunt back, since the tank taking the...
yea p3 went smooth when we got there
pallid quiver
If it's P1, that's entirely on them
If you're taunting when addons tell you to, it's gonna solve all problems in P1
pallid quiver
In practice, it's tank buster hits, taunt
You can choose to take all of the same or swap who takes which, even
As long as someone doesn't take the Feast after Liquefy
After that, it's literally up to the tank to do their defensives properly
and i guess heals for the heal absorb, but it perferably shouldn't be that big and get healed off if it's a tank that self heals a lot
minor hinge
Yea, I'm new at this but I think I understand your point. I should trust addon and if it's a premade team some extra swaps can be introduced.
pallid quiver
Yeah, tank swaps aren't, like
hard, they're pretty set in stone for basics
but a large majority of raid tanks simply can't understand them
It's why tanks generally have the easiest role in raid is because
like, most tanks already can't handle their easy role as it is
Horror, 2nd boss in raid, is a good example of that
minor hinge
Horror, 2nd boss in raid, is a good example of that
hahah true xD
untold bane
Hey guys what's the intervene target of target macro?
pallid quiver
iirc the modifier you're looking for is @targettarget or something
So something like
#showtooltip
/cast [@targettarget,help,nodead] Intervene
should work off the top of my head
If you have a target's target as part of your UI display, you can also mouseover that, as well
wicked pollen
i concur yogi
tribal wharf
i was joking around before, but this one is actually cool
that ones really good, almost want to come back for that mount
long kayak
i use the same, makes me feel fabulous
frigid solstice
It looks good on details but it's actual value I've heard mixed reviews on.
Oh for sure 👍 on details it looked great! I was leveling my monk Brewmaster with it and thought HUH 🤔 maybe all tanks need this racial
frigid solstice
that ones really good, almost want to come back for that mount
I’m a simp and bought all the pets
tribal wharf
i never really did the pets thing a whole lot wow
tardy abyss
When was the last time bdk was meta in M+?
jagged pier
SLs 3 and 4
tardy abyss
So its been a while
Just wondering cuz I was thinking about playing bdk as an alt
but if the spec never is really good it feels like wasted time
tardy abyss
hmm
As long as vdh is not a must have all is good 
Tho I would be happy to stay pwar for next patch, I really like this spec
marble sun
is there a website or video where we can have a ranking for each trinket avalaible for prot? (def and offensive) the one on wowhead seems odd.
jagged pier
the one on wow head is perfectly fine
if u dont agree with it u dont agree with it but its accurate
marble sun
its not that i dont agree, but when i look at it, swarmlord is in C tier but on wowlog pretty much everyone play with it, so i was wondering if it was right
jagged pier
its the only usuable defensive trinket, and ppl think u need to run one (which isnt true) so they run that
even tho its not saving u anywhere
but ppl keep saying it looks good on the meters that doesnt mean it does anything useful tho
like whats written about it on wowhead
tardy abyss
I find it fascinating how much a few top players can manipulate the community
jagged pier
most of them dont even know why they run x talents they literally copy the first person to get there
unfrotunatly we have had no Andy this season to get R1 prot in a week playing nomes talents
mild swallow
Time to craft my weapon! Should I go for longsword or axe in your opinion?
tropic tangle
only difference is the xmog and materials needed to craft
makes no functional difference
mild swallow
If I'm aiming for max raid DPS (my survivability is more than enough and I don't do a lot of M+) should I go for the dusk/dawn linings or the banding/ascension combo?
tardy abyss
If I'm aiming for max raid DPS (my survivability is more than enough and I don't...
Prob better to sim that instead of relying on an answer here
sharp gale
And sim the third option/embellish too I don’t remember the name rn
mild swallow
the one that does direct damage?
sweet summit
lens kinda stinks
tardy abyss
me too
wheat canopy
for Mountain thane, why do we use spear over dragon roar? simply more damagE?
pastel geyser
where do we do that
wheat canopy
Time to craft my weapon! Should I go for longsword or axe in your opinion?
I think swords look cooler for 1h
wheat canopy
where do we do that
if you're talking to me, that's what i see on wowhead
jagged pier
for Mountain thane, why do we use spear over dragon roar? simply more damagE?
its more rage gen to play spear and more damage if u have 25% crit
if u dont have the crit u can run roar if u want
sweet egret
nomeraturman, can u explain why your weakaura for tc/tb turns red sometimes
strong forum
Reminder to not use it
sweet egret
for what reason
violet ginkgo
I think it might be the violent outburst?
maybe shield slam proc reset so no need to TC/TB
strong forum
That's when outburst is ready, most of outbursts you don't want to use on TB/TC
strong forum
Ye
sweet egret
thanks
strong forum
But also the additional bar below the rage bar, that one is your outburst tracker
sweet egret
yes, I'm using that a lot
and other spells like shield slam turn red when not in range
I just didn't understand when the tc/tb turned red
strong forum
Ye I inconcorporated few things that base action bar does
Cuz it's just nice to know when X spell is not in range
sweet egret
I'm doing that too on other weakauras because I got comfortable with it from yours
strong forum
sweet egret
I'm using your weakauras but set them up differently :p
I was having trouble seeing defensives for example, so I put them in a seperate group
so when I look at that place I only see defensives
for example
strong forum
Whatever works for you, UI is an entirely personal thing
sweet egret
yes, but I really dig what you've set up
everything has a reason
it doesn't just flash and glow just because it can
strong forum
sweet egret
so apparently I have been erroneously using outbursts on tc in aoe
thinking it was good practice, so I've been watching out for it
strong forum
TB is mostly fine to use it on, on aoe
strong forum
But tc should pretty much always be avoided
sweet egret
I got that
so I'm thinking I'll watch for that now too
it's hard to not send on ss since I almost always just slam as soon as I can
but for both aggro and more dmg I felt I needed to use it on clap
I was also told to use shield wall all the time
so I'll be doing that
I posted a log for review of a 13 key that went perfectly smooth
so it's nice to get feedback
strong forum
Is omega fine to send on SS
Since it's good prio dmg and rage gen
Personally haven't had threat issues at all so I never felt the need to send it on tc
pallid quiver
Every time I send an outburst on TC, I feel like I just kicked a starving puppy
pallid quiver
I'm just glad it's something that doesn't happen often
sharp gale
it doesn't just flash and glow just because it can
Some people needs that specific things flash/glow/scream at you, as said it’s personal, like for myth raid stuff I need sometime a thing that takes 1/5 of my screen flashing with heavy alarm sounds
(Ovinax swirlies, and kyvesa dashes if I have to go on markers or in front of the image)
sweet egret
enha sham burst steals aggro frequently
but also snap threat at the very start of a pull
dps seem to often blast in full aoe every pull even though my offensives are not up
sweet egret
yes, that's good enough snap
chilly brook
I’m not super good anymore tbh got a lot to fix, but I haven’t been having any real aggro issues in 12s at 624
sweet egret
Some people needs that specific things flash/glow/scream at you, as said it’s pe...
sounds like flashing for a reason then :p
I mean, real aggro issues? I don't have issues it's just sometimes I lose a mob for a second
chilly brook
And if I ever do challenging shout is usually up for the one or two cases it might happen
tardy abyss
I’m not super good anymore tbh got a lot to fix, but I haven’t been having any r...
Until you meet an enh without timelessness
sweet egret
generally I use challenging shout at the beginning, not the very start, of very big pulls
but I use it liberally for aoe interrupt (love that talent)
chilly brook
Until you meet an enh without timelessness
I don’t ever take Aug so
I’m also bursting to like 3m at the start of pulls
tardy abyss
In that case if your enh doesnt take aggro hes not good
chilly brook
So like
sweet egret
I'm 632ish ilvl with 639 weapon so I'd like to think I have the damage I should have
split remnant
Wasps in Mists randomyl charge right? Right?
chilly brook
Yes
chilly brook
In that case if your enh doesnt take aggro hes not good
Or I just press buttons good
tardy abyss
yeah no
chilly brook
split remnant
For the wasp leap attack. So rogue can prevent it by pressing evasion right?
Since its poison applied on hit
sweet egret
they can cloak the poison off but if I was the rogue I would cloak bigger badder things
split remnant
No my 3.1k rogue is arguing with me because he died to it
And he said it was me losing aggro
And he died to double charge fro mtwo wasps at the same time
chilly brook
The charge that applies poison is random
sweet egret
so if it was not to melee
chilly brook
Has nothing to do with aggro
sweet egret
it was not due to aggro
can easily check in details
there isn't really a point in arguing those things though, is it
chilly brook
Sounds like the ret paladin who blamed me for his deaths to cleaves in a 12 NW because I strafed one step to the side to step out of the magic puddle that pops up
Like
Kekw
tardy abyss
Classic ret
sweet egret
well, evasion is used for magic damage reduction so they shouldn't keep it for potentially taking aggro
tardy abyss
For some reason rets are really allergic to the NW cleaves
chilly brook
Ret players are actually aids this season
So many weirdos out there that don’t press their utility
And a lot of them also lack brains to avoid things
tardy abyss
well, evasion is used for magic damage reduction so they shouldn't keep it for p...
No I was hinting that they can redirect threat anyway
But rogues dont burst hard / fast enough to take aggro in the first place
sweet egret
they shouldn't play with tricks
I often take aggro as a rogue vs my prot pally friend in 12-13s
tardy abyss
Bad prot pally ig
tardy abyss
But they need too long
At which point the tank cant lose aggro anymore
Whereas ret and enh can do stupid burst with the first few globals already
sweet egret
nah, just 3-4 sec of group setup then steady envenoms on 1 target for 10+ sec
tardy abyss
That is long yes
sweet egret
Whereas ret and enh can do stupid burst with the first few globals already
they can indeed
tricks is a choice node and the clearly better choice is aoe blind
(with bonus damage reduction)
chilly brook
if it's not the tanks target it gets pulled
I mean prot pally still does giga dam
You shouldn’t be pulling off
sweet egret
he does 2m or so on those pulls
more on pull ofc
like the 2nd pull in dawnbreaker, we bl there and I often take aggro of something
sharp gale
not 20m hard
You made me remember the week of 11.0.5, in my vault fill 10 a ele sham did 20 m on 5 targets in mist, the pack died before the second dude cast his anima slash
sweet egret
or the big double pull + wasps in mists, after the 2nd boss
good times 🙂
as a rogue in 10s I can't compete in dps
stuff dies in my ramp 😦
sharp gale
You need to do 13s I think for things to live
sharp gale
And classes who have ramp dmg can actually play the game
sharp gale
The first week of expac, I was still hesitating for my raid main (prot is my personal side thing usually) and after couple dungeon in aff lock I remember why I hate aff in m+
sharp gale
I think I'm reaching 3k rio next week on warrior
Bravo !
sweet egret
I don't think I've seen a single one all season
both of the other specs seem to be blasting, but haven't seen any affli
sharp gale
I don’t care if it is not seen tbh raid main are meant to stay in vault filling keys anyway
I just don’t like demo gameplay and I already did a season on destro
violet ginkgo
what about afflic?
sweet egret
they dont exist man
sharp gale
That’s what I was hoping to play, but remember you need to be in a +20 to enjoy the game
Anyway, now that I have more info on the state of the game, next season it will be either Druid or evoker for raid, so I can fully gear toward prot on my warrior
sweet egret
I wish I was in a casual mythic guild
chilly brook
Anyway, now that I have more info on the state of the game, next season it will ...
I mean it's not like you need to fully gear towards prot....
sweet egret
I was in a top 100 guild back in legion
chilly brook
It doesn't make that big of a difference
sweet egret
but stopped raiding at the start of bfa
sharp gale
I mean it's not like you need to fully gear towards prot....
Yes I don’t need, but I don’t’ want to be 0 haste prot until I’m full stuff on fury
sharp gale
Arms feels weird to play
sharp gale
It is not slow anymore ? Because it was in bfa last time I tried
And it was really awful
chilly brook
Hasn't been "slow" in a long time
sharp gale
Compared to fury and prot, normal is slow tbh
sharp gale
Ah, i remember it had wait time in bfa, like god why
chilly brook
Plus you have some plates to spin now with Slayer
chilly brook
Ah, i remember it had wait time in bfa, like god why
I mean tbh I had no issues with (and kind of prefer) having to manage your rage economy
sharp gale
But anyway gear is not the main reason I’m switching, I hate being melee in raid
It’s the first time and the last time (I don’t count tank as a melee) I play melee dps, Happywar return in m+ lurker jail as prot next patch
So basically I need to find a range dps, but I will not survive not having 1 second queue time for m+
A range who has either heal or tank spec
chilly brook
Maybe I'm just used to it because I've been tank/melee since starting the game but I genuinely don't find melee in raid to be any more difficult than ranged
outside of a handful of bosses
sharp gale
Well maybe if I give you few examples on what pushed me toward that impression melee feels bad
chilly brook
Kyveza is the only one so far this tier for me where I would actively prefer ranged
sharp gale
Well 4 first bosses, who cares
Ovinax, swirlies
Kyvesa
Silken I wish I had to do the charge / drop web bombs
Outside of nerubar, usually ranges have to do mechs, I want to do mechs I’m into that shit
chilly brook
Ranged have to deal with swirlies on ovinax too btw
tardy abyss
Melees have it harder with the swirlies tho
sharp gale
Ranged have to deal with swirlies on ovinax too btw
Yes but not on top of a darkness+amz+barrier and having to deal with the death zone of under the boss
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cyan bronze
Most swirlies I’m not dodging visually tho
chilly brook
imo the only difficult thing about ovinax isn't even the fight
sharp gale
And there is not 6 other dps close so it bait swirlies next to you
cyan bronze
Just get an add on that beeps if you’re in the swirlie
Works 90% of the time 100% of the time
chilly brook
it's the fact that the game dies
tardy abyss
chilly brook
gotta love dipping to like 20fps
tardy abyss
Both Ovinax and Princess are simple fights, just consistency checks
sharp gale
It’s my only flashing glow alarm horn wa, ovinax swirlies
tardy abyss
Sikran swirlies are also ass
sharp gale
You don’t die from taking them
chilly brook
And there is not 6 other dps close so it bait swirlies next to you
half are bait half are just random
tardy abyss
Especially from an Arms POV
tardy abyss
You don’t die from taking them
Ovinax swirlies also dont OS
sweet egret
there are things alerting for things that haven't exploded yet?
tardy abyss
Both two-shot
sharp gale
Sikran you can eat 2 back to back you will not die
Ovinax you take swirlies you instant die if it is during pulse dmg, you have the absorb egg break, boss drinks
cyan bronze
there are things alerting for things that haven't exploded yet?
Ye
sweet egret
share
cyan bronze
There’s a few
sharp gale
You just need to activate the swirly launch sub wa (i modified it with sound etc)
cyan bronze
GTFO is nice; but rarely updated
sweet egret
I am not using any raid packs, just singular auras
cyan bronze
You should have audio cues for most things
sharp gale
Im a sound guy, I need it for things, like my rallying cry is always the polar bear sound on the reminder
cyan bronze
The only bad thing is with audio cues sometimes I get so used to hearing my sneeze sound that I forgor to hold avatar in ara kara
and then I need to scream for a wind rush totem
sharp gale
I don’t’ remember how to put custom sounds into WA
sharp gale
Wish I set a banger sound on BL uptime
chilly brook
pedro lust
cyan bronze
Having a sound cue for externals is also kinda important for pugging m+ imo
Albiet prot war has a nice enough cd rotation you rarely ever need cosmetics, and are relegated to being cosmetics with proper play
sharp gale
pedro lust
I think I would put contact from daft punk or one of the hardstyle ruski soundclound songs
cyan bronze
Also on stone vault right side pulls, I think having a sound cue for high stacks is giga nice
Pulls spooky
tardy abyss
wdym you feel 30 stacks in a +12?
sharp gale
Does the pack survives long enough to give you 30 stacks in a 12
sharp gale
That’s why you use xephui
I can add custom sounds on this xephui, what is that ?
jaunty reef
Tips for timing Dawn +13 as a warrior tank? What are the current best routes? Ive never really pushed before..
https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Stahr
fleet swan
tips for more damage in raids? i feel like i'm not doing enough dps atm
sweet egret
you are most likely not wiping to tank dps
fleet swan
yeah but there's a grey number next to my name is wclogs and i don't like it lmao
cyan bronze
@strong forum btw you know how I said I parsed ok in defensive stance no pot in a heroic fight
I just realized it was 35
cyan bronze
I mean it’s heroic it doesn’t matter I just think it’s humorous I got top 35 parse in dstance without pot
sweet egret
I thought that meant 35%
mighty valley
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CKLfJGQvDk4bA1jB#boss=-3&difficulty=0
your build's a bit off for starters (take imp wall instead of double wall talent, you should take both spear endcaps, and you really don't need battle scarred vet in heroic raid... just take a look at the thane raid build in #protection-faq )
you're barely pressing your offensive CDs, like spear and shield charge, and on this sikran fight you never press demo shout once - those should all be thrown out asap on your opener and then pressed on CD
fleet swan
hell yeah, thank you for not sugar coating it
i really just started tanking m+ this week and saw a h nerub learner so i hopped in
obviously have a very shallow understanding of prot atm
mighty valley
since you're new, you just wanna be working towards pressing more buttons - CDs on CD, then making sure you're pressing something on every GCD (SS > TC > Revenge)
simple drum
Of all Warrior specs, are we the best for legacy content?
mighty valley
once you start doing that your rage gen will go through the roof
fleet swan
i think I need to adjust my UI because it's not laid out v well so I'm not seeing things up front and center to remind me to press them
thank you for the advice, i appreciate it
mighty valley
good luck out there!
fleet swan
i'll be back after reset with (hopefully) some improvements
mighty valley
Of all Warrior specs, are we the best for legacy content?
you mean like... transmog farming? it doesn't really matter, i like having fury whirlwind with no cost and no cd to mash brainlessly
sharp gale
Whirlwind has a cd has prot ?
cyan bronze
Whirlwind prot ?
cyan bronze
Of all Warrior specs, are we the best for legacy content?
I’d say probably vdh
mighty valley
vdh is the best warrior spec?
cyan bronze
Oh sorry I misread
mighty valley
gottem
sharp gale
Whirlwind prot ?
Isn’t it a baseline war spell ?
cyan bronze
Thought it said of all specs, sorry
sharp gale
But yes definitely fury if you really want the best in my opinion
mighty valley
ww costs rage for prot
sharp gale
But all three has what you need (leap and 2 charges)
brisk rain
jagged pier
yes and its bad
mighty valley
haste / whatever
sweet egret
haste crit gang
quiet monolith
IS there something im missing in arakara on extraction strike
the routes have you going that bottom path
and there are tons of assistants, and its absolutely shredding me
red dock
Not really. It trucks if they stack the buff
grim pilot
