protection

[pallid quiver]

I wonder what the other admins will think when they see the role priority changed for colors

[jagged pier]

ppl argue with me all the itme

[rigid pilot]

Im using a 639 ara'kara and a 619 silken chain weaver. I got 623 spare meat hook today in vault, you guys reckon that I should use it instead of silken? I'm doing like 10s etc, not much above

[jagged pier]

then u or nome come in say the same thing

and they dont argue with u

[bleak breach]

Jakey

Have you killed Kyveza?

Mythic

[jagged pier]

ye

[pallid quiver]

People do still argue with Nome, though, generally to minimal effect

Don't believe his lies or check his logs, he hasn't

[bleak breach]

You run anything different? Or is it normal for her to just slap

[jagged pier]

i ran thane punish build

[bleak breach]

Yeah that what I’m running atm

[jagged pier]

cause for some reason i was the tank taking 2 mechanics a phase

instead of 1

[ionic fern]

#protection message

Real.

[pallid quiver]

You're almost definitely not handling the dot well is the most likely candidate, since that's where almost all the tank damage comes in

If you have a co-tank that can handle long dot damage better (BDK, self-heal type tanks), you want them to take first in each section since 3 tank buster casts come out, so you can dump everything on your one

Reminder that spell block works on the dot, which is the harder hitting part of the tank buster over time

[jagged pier]

i was just spell blocking 1 a phase and praying on the other

[pallid quiver]

yeah if you take two, they're 1m apart so you're SOL on spell block

[bleak breach]

Yeah, more the buster itself that’s the issue.
Hasn’t really killed me, just gauging if the damage is regular

[pallid quiver]

But they are at least 1m apart so you should have SW back

[jagged pier]

SR and SW

have for every one

[pallid quiver]

Can send LS, as well, for more buffer, then can IV during, but yeah, that spell is the single hardest hitting ability for tanks in the entire raid iirc

[jagged pier]

use that to heal the dot some times

[pallid quiver]

Don't even think Ansurek gets close to that damage in terms of burst

[jagged pier]

[bleak breach]

Everytime I feel good and everything is fine I nuffy a damn dagger haha

[jagged pier]

well dont take daggers

thats abig thing

[bleak breach]

Haha yeah that’s the plan

[crude flame]

changing a bit of a subject, I have two two-handead weapons, a champion and a hero one, for an offspec used only for sometimes when you wanna do that quest faster or queue as a dps to that raid since tank spots are already taken, would you recommend going Arms, Going Fury, or just harrass blizzard until they give us gladiator again?

[pallid quiver]

I've yet to take a single dagger on Mythic Ky.

I also have yet to step foot in Mythic, and likely won't for another 4 years

[bleak breach]

I wasn’t popping SW off the start, knowing I can use it for every buster will help

[pallid quiver]

Fury is easier to play, Arms stats are more like Prot's stats

[bleak breach]

They’re ridiculously fast, ours are really bad atm because people are panicking and don’t know where to be or run with the dagger.

[pallid quiver]

I play Arms if I DPS because I enjoy it more; aesthetics of dual-wield 2 handers is kinda silly to me to have as not a CD kinda deal

[jagged pier]

u want to know the giga play to the daggers if yu arent the tank that needs to move the boss

run through the boss

the first ones are baited out the front of her

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that fight hates you not playing it mad clean from everything I've seen from strims

[jagged pier]

so u run through her

[bleak breach]

Ohhh

[jagged pier]

and they cant hit u

[bleak breach]

I have to move the boss because I pull threat off our other tank lol

That’s the only time I get hit, when I’ve got to get to whichever mark and I’ve got a long way to travel.

[jagged pier]

but that should be fine

[bleak breach]

I was just leaping which is safe but the melee complained because they couldn’t zug zug when the boss chased me

[jagged pier]

you move early and hr throw

standing where the boss needs to be

[bleak breach]

Would you just leap out? Or a no no?

[jagged pier]

well u know its orange i think (depends on what marks and colours u use)

[bleak breach]

Our other tank is really good, just a DK so not bursty enough to hold off me in lust and off the start of the fight

[bleak breach]

Yep orange for us

[jagged pier]

but the boss always goes to the same places

so u just go move there

its chil

sure u do less damage

but easier dodging

and easier to kill boss

[crude flame]

Is arms complex to play tho? I have not played arms since 3 or 4 expansions but I remember it being "use this skill that puts a debuff on the enemy and then go ham until you can apply it again"

[bleak breach]

Yeah fair, I’m probably just panicking a bit

We’re like 40 pulls in so still learning

[crude flame]

that's true, I wish I could transmog my 2h weapons to 1h weapons at least aesthetically

[pallid quiver]

Colossus Smash is the debuff skill, and it's off CD a lot more than it used to be. It also doesn't really change drastically much inside of your CS windows

[crude flame]

yes, that

[jagged pier]

arms has a good prio list

[pallid quiver]

It's definitely more complex than Fury, but there's much scarier specs out there

[crude flame]

So you guys recommend fury as an offspec rather than arms?

I don't know their damage profiles, if one is much better than the other, or anything

[jagged pier]

but u need heavy crit gear to actually 'look' good on logs

[crude flame]

as long as I'm good enough to not get kicked on pug raids I'm fine

[pallid quiver]

Arms is better for like murdering bosses and all; Fury gets burst windows that align with raid adds more often

Pug raids will kick you either way, though, just because you bathed that day and they took offense to that

[bleak breach]

I like fury just because it’s easy lol

Arms has closer stats to our Bis stats though

[crude flame]

they kicked me yesterday as a tank in hero rashanan

😦

I did not soak, honestly, I did not see the soak, and like half the raid did not soak, which caused a wipe

I think something must have happened for so much people to fail the mechanic

but I just got instakicked

[bleak breach]

Probably had a dh or something zoom and interrupt really fast

[crude flame]

in fact I knew it was that reason because I politely asked the guy that kicked me what I did wrong to not repeat it in the future, and he told me that I and half the raid failed to do the soak mechanic

I think it was overkill buuut random gonna kick

[pallid quiver]

Better reason than most, tbh'

I've been kicked multiple times for not having proper "aggro control" as they call it

[bleak breach]

I hate pugs

I got in this guild group put ‘ez 1 shot for queen’
25 people there and I was 5th dps as tank

All their guild were bottom dwellers, just hoping for a carry.

[pallid quiver]

Most recent time was actually this xpac, 2nd boss, other tank taunted before the wave when it was my go, then just directed it to the middle of fuck-no-where

[crude flame]

that's mainly the reason I don't tank raids

since I don't have guild or anything I have to go with pugs

and It just gives me a bit of anxiety going without having actually done it before, even if I watched videos and read guides

so in the end I'll never go

I went yesterday because I desperately need rune crests to level low gear

[pallid quiver]

IT's better to go in as DPS, anyway, since you have more say as to whether a raid clears or not;

[crude flame]

and I still don't know how I passed fine the second boss lol

[pallid quiver]

Tanks very rarely get meaningful mechs other than "Stand here" because your average raid-log raid tank player is

hella dumb

[crude flame]

yes, that's why I'll set up a secondary spec and queue as fury

[pallid quiver]

I still stand by my statement that the worst players of this game are the bottom end tank players; most of them also often are raid logging tank players

I've seen people struggle to press a button a minute

[jagged pier]

wait im supposed to press more than 1 button a minute?

im not made of fingers

[bitter parrot]

is this trinket any good? i have hero track mark of khardros and hero oppressive orator's larynx trinkets

[sharp gale]

One of the tank of my guild : I understand why he is the tank

[jagged pier]

no

[bitter parrot]

i have the fucking saddest vault ever

[sharp gale]

We wipe each time kyvesa is in her spot as he says and there is not 2 masks going through

[jagged pier]

i mean thats only hard to do in the first phase

and u dont need to do it in p1

[sharp gale]

It’s in the second p1, we know we will just wipe

[jagged pier]

replace

or just change tank rotation

[sharp gale]

Nah i don’t think they will listen whatever I say, I played this game too long, I know he will never be replaced

[violet ginkgo]

I like chill gameplay. Let the dpses and healers solve 90-95% of the mech.

[sharp gale]

I recognize patterns of bad guild management

[violet ginkgo]

What will be those patterns?

[jagged pier]

so leave time probably

[sharp gale]

In this case, tank personal friend with too many other players

And I know they will not do it, scared they will leave with him

[sharp gale]

I will after the tier I think

[fresh kernel]

how u guys feeling about colossus in m+ now

[sharp gale]

Im not the kind of leaving during prog

[jagged pier]

nothing changes

[jagged pier]

i mean nows the times, lots of guilds dying on court because the fights horrendous

[fresh kernel]

which is what exactly? sorry im not a prot main

[jagged pier]

it does slightly more damage than thane but u loose survivbility for it

[sharp gale]

I want to prog the fight, I don’t want to skip a boss, he will die anyway, just pulls kill bosses, guilds that don’t get CE just stopped pulling

[pallid quiver]

It's funny because I'm not even joking. They weren't even doing S1 DF tank DPS

They casted like one heart strike over the course of the entire encounter

i just left after that pull

[sharp gale]

If I see a hint the pulls will stop (like raiding at exact 20 raiders) I might consider leaving yes

[pallid quiver]

There's tons of people who exist on this game to exist on it; they fucking hate playing it

[jagged pier]

i wish that could be me

i take this hobbie far to seriously really trying to change that and how i approach the game

[pallid quiver]

You enjoy the game too much

The fact you're willing to send a message in here that isn't instantly talking shit to everyone and bragging about yourself is clear about that

I've seen some real degenerate people who just keep playing the game for some reason even though they actively hate the game

[jagged pier]

i actually really enjoy taking it very seriously but my guild and due to time i just cant interact with the game that way

like i would love to be in a HoF guild but i dont want to multi class

and i dont have the time too multi class

[sharp gale]

Am I degenerate, I just log to the game to raid, do my vault and disappear

[pallid quiver]

I mean, do you hate the game?

It's fine to raid log and all

[steep escarp]

im new to tanking in general and ive been having trouble keeping up defensives because of the mental stack. shield wall and demo shout are basically all i use outside of a WA i have to tell me to spell reflect. is there some sort of general defensive rotation i should be using?

[pallid quiver]

But like, there's people out there completely miserable

They hate the idea of tanks, they hate doing damage in the game, they hate having to interact with other people, they hate having to play the game to get the gear instead of them just being able to flex gear, they hate interrupts, they hate mechanics,

[sharp gale]

Kinda, I play a spec I don’t want to play anymore (fury in raid), stuck between : im the raid buff and alts yet again cringe to catch up

[pallid quiver]

The baseline is keeping Shield Block up; everything adds on from there

From there, if your base rotation is fine, you work on knowing what you need defensives for (tank busters, scary mobs in dungeons, etc)

Once you know that, you can just cycle between them as long as they'll be up by then

Also, SR can be added on as a defensive CD; the WA never tells you to use it when you can use it for DR, so it can build bad habits of neglecting 25% DR on a 20s CD

Ultimately, it's just managing to track their CDs and being used enough to your base rotation that you aren't juggling CD use in your mental stack

Tank rotations as a whole are generally pretty simple specifically to make them low on mental prio so tanks can focus on defensive use/positioning/pull pacing in M+/etc

[steep escarp]

ty that was helpful

[echo sun]

Hey guys, does anyone know why sometimes the cooldown of Thunderclap for prot warrior resets? ive looked at all my skill trees and talents but i couldnt find what is causing it. Its not avatar also it happens when avatar is on cd. :(

It looks like this

[sharp gale]

When you press avatar ?

[echo sun]

No without avatar

Sometimes it procs with shield bash sometimes without anything

It shows a yellow number like in the picture but i can press it already

[sharp gale]

Im searching in my head but idk what could reset thunderclap cd, maybe it’s an UI issue

Maybe it doesn’t understand TC has a shorter cd when you have random avatar procs

Is your thunderclap a macro ?

I found that on Reddit

@echo sun

[weak cedar]

were the prot war hero talents changed in any way? cant find anything in patch notes other than slayer

thought there was a colossus buff coming or something like that

[weak cedar]

o.o

i swear i just read the latest patch notes from battle.net

[weak cedar]

where did you see those?

[echo sun]

Oooh it could be that because of rend actually

Thankss

[sharp gale]

Or the slow of thunderclap

[echo sun]

Yee

[sharp gale]

Patch .5 was a month ago, it’s on wowhead (#news )

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-enhancement-shaman-and-prot-paladin-nerfs-351453

[weak cedar]

ty

[weak cedar]

how bad is dropping ravager? the rage generation seems insane

trying to come up with a talent tree for colossus with BSV and i'd have to drop one of these

[sharp gale]

Ravager gives 60 rage, if you drop shield charge capstone you can just drop shield charge completely I think

But you would maybe need to play Heavy Repercussion and not into the fray, if you drop the capstone

[weak cedar]

shield charge is 40 rage base + 20 rage bottom talent + 30 rage (free shield block)

isnt it better?

[sharp gale]

Shield charge is 45 seconds cd

Ravager 1min 30

[weak cedar]

yeah

seems better in every way than ravager, not sure why i'd drop it

[sharp gale]

It’s only if you really want BSV

[tardy abyss]

Just don't take BSV

[jagged pier]

bro its 40 rage total with both talents

[tardy abyss]

BSV is such a waste of a talent point

[weak cedar]

youre right, just tested it on dummy

i guess the skill description updates when you take the talent

[tardy abyss]

Ye it does

[jagged pier]

how about u just read the talents

[weak cedar]

i did lol

[jagged pier]

i dont know how u get 60 rage from that

[weak cedar]

huh

my shield charge description says it generates 40 rage

and then the bottom talent says additional 20

but yeah

its 40 total

[weak cedar]

this seems logical for better players, i kinda like having that extra safety net as a beginner tho

seems like a good talent for learning

[sharp gale]

Do as you please

[jagged pier]

its not a good talent for learning

[sharp gale]

But when BSV proc it means you did something wrong and that may occur again before 3 min, just get that in mind

[jagged pier]

as u dont learn what kills u

as u wont notice the buff and it will proc on things that wont kill u too

[weak cedar]

it looks like 96% of the top 100 prot warriors take BSV unless im reading it wrong

is it just to use the extra healing for higher keys?

[jagged pier]

they literally all copying each other

one person took it

had a good push week

they all followed

top warriors play what 'feels' better / sometimes what easier to play not whats best

[weak cedar]

yeah i think i wanna play what feels the best / is easier too

theorycrafting a minmax version is fun but at the end of the day im making 5000 mistakes every time i play

[jagged pier]

best its an opinion

droping rage gen

does not make the class feel better to me

[sharp gale]

But as he said it’s not a good learning thing because you will not notice it proc, you may notice the debuff 1 min later and 100% not remember what happened, do as you please again

[jagged pier]

also if u relying on it save u from mistakes what u gunna do when its on Cd? wait 3 mins?

before u pull again

[crude flame]

I dropped ravager for BSV and honestly wouldn't go back, there's tons of M+ runs where that single time BSV triggered saved me from dying and allowed me to complete in time the m+

Yes, probably I may have done something wrong, but I'm not constantly doing things wrong, so if I once do something wrong and BSV saves me, it's very worth

[jagged pier]

u need logs to prove that

it may have not even saved u from dying

[crude flame]

it triggers at 30% hp

[jagged pier]

no

[inner oracle]

BSV is not a bad tool for learning in pugs if you log your run and check where it proc

[crude flame]

if I'm down at 30 % hp at some moment something is clearly going very wrong

[jagged pier]

it triggers from a hit that take u below 30%

it can proc at 100%

if u take a hit that will take yu below 30%

[crude flame]

okay jakey but I think you understand what I was trying to say

if I'm in such situation, I'm in a dire moment

[sharp gale]

It’s a niche save key talent yes, but bad to learn

[pallid quiver]

It oftentimes kicks in when you're fine and expecting to go to 30%; Dawnbreaker 1st boss is a good example

It can kick in when you go to mitigate the tank buster; sure, it stopped you from going to 25% instead of 30%,

[crude flame]

but, examples it saved my butt

something went wrong in arakara last boss

[pallid quiver]

but it really doesn't change anything

[crude flame]

and I oculdnt get a puddle

then I eat the kill ability of the boss

but BSV jumps and I'm fine and dandy

[jagged pier]

how cant u get a puddle u literally leap on to an add

[crude flame]

no puddles, no adds, or just not seeing anyone

[jagged pier]

or u just use SW SR AND spell block

[inner oracle]

You can leap at last second you don’t need any puddle

[crude flame]

the point is that yes, while I've done something wrong, it saved me

[jagged pier]

as theres nothing else on the fight that hurts

[jagged pier]

theres always adds

if there are no adds

the fight it impossible

[sharp gale]

I have a nuke button macro just for that type of fights lol

[ionic fern]

Sounds worrysome.

[inner oracle]

On the 1st one if dps mess up you can lack 1, but do you guys use the puddles at all? I’m always staying till last moment and leap/charge, never used a puddle

[sharp gale]

Yep I did it when I tried for the first time to leap the last boss pull, has been useful in other cases

[ionic fern]

I use a puddle from time to time.

[jagged pier]

ive always just leaped onto an add

[sharp gale]

Now I just leap at 1 second

Still don’t know why people do that, but I do that too

[echo sun]

Does anyone know why we don't use slam on single target?

As rage spender instead of revenge

[sharp gale]

It’s an arms spell (is it ? I think it is)

[echo sun]

What does that mean :o

[sharp gale]

Dps Spec arms

[jagged pier]

because it doesnt reset ss

[echo sun]

Oh no i have it on my hotbar

[weak cedar]

is there a way to reset cooldowns when fighting a dummy?

[echo sun]

Oh and revenge deos?

does*

[jagged pier]

yes

[echo sun]

Oh alright thanks

[ionic fern]

No.:(

[weak cedar]

ouch

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[sharp gale]

2mins reset if your dummy is a raid boss

[echo sun]

ye im blind

[weak cedar]

another question, revenge seems huge as colossus

[jagged pier]

it is

[weak cedar]

but on wowhead rotation section it has lower priority than thunderclap

is that right?

[jagged pier]

yep

correct

[weak cedar]

alright

[jagged pier]

generators> sepnders

[weak cedar]

makes sense

[jagged pier]

u can spam revenge instead of Ip if u feel safe with colosus

[split bough]

Hi guys

does "Skarmorak Shard" works in raid adds?
especially in ovinax

[tardy abyss]

It's not really a safety net as you dropping to 30% does not necessarily mean that you are in danger, and it could then be on cd when you actually need it

But as Jakey said, somehow you need to learn what actually deals damage

Especially in lower keys where not many things do a lot of damage, and nothing deals lethal damage, something like BSV is an even bigger waste

And dropping Ravager for BSV could bait you into "wow BSV saved me here" when Ravager might have done it too

Idk, imo Ravager is one of the best things we have

[sharp gale]

I Hope they will do something about ravager’s capstone

[pallid quiver]

Monkey's Paw curls, they turn the DPS loss capstone into a natural part of Ravager, and you have to spend an extra point to talent out of it

[jagged pier]

no u dont where do we get a talent point to take them?

[sharp gale]

If they make it competitive somehow with shield charge capstone 🤷‍♂️

Like Copy-paste ravager gives shield block and do X

[hardy snow]

Is mythic ovinax egg better than heroic arakara sac if I don't pay much attention to stacks, so usually keep max str? (raid fights)

[jagged pier]

its not better

it might be but u have to minmax

[tardy abyss]

In that case HR would be mandatory until at least S2

[jagged pier]

and u cant do that

realistically

[tardy abyss]

And Ravager giving SB instead is lame imo

[crude flame]

but, Jakey, the point wasn't that, the point was that I did a mistake and I'm gonna die and then I'm saved thanks to the talent, which allows me to continue the m+ without full wiping, of course the ideal course would have been to never make a mistake, but it will be happening from time to time that you do something wrong, or you eat that nasty EDNA tankbuster because the healer did not dispell and you did not pop a defensive CD for some reason

[hardy snow]

yea im not gonna minmax, but sims arent trustable in this matter, thanks Jakey

[sharp gale]

I gave a dumb lazy example

[tardy abyss]

Edna deals no damage if you have a decent healer

[jagged pier]

that has min maxed egg

[crude flame]

exactly, and that's the point, if your healer makes an error there, it saves you

[hardy snow]

that what I thought, was quite sus it would be such a huge upgrade 😄

[jagged pier]

all of got from this is why arent u using defensives on tank busters thats not a mistake thats playing the only mitigation tank completely incorrectly

[tardy abyss]

I mean, you could also react to not getting a dispell and use a cd

[jagged pier]

and again

[tardy abyss]

But the issue with healer not dispelling only exists in really low keys I believe

[jagged pier]

what are u gunna do when u proc it

wait 3 mins?

because u might make a mistake in the next pull

[weak cedar]

is this the opener you guys do? i've been starting with shield charge to activate shield block and then using the first rage for ignore pain, the first moments of a pull seem to be the scariest most of the time so having both defensive layers up asap looks important

[jagged pier]

u dont ever start with sheild charge

its wasting rage gen

[pallid quiver]

You see, Charge+Avatar is enough rage for shield block

[jagged pier]

and its not a charge

its a dps button and a stun

[pallid quiver]

So you're giving up rage from SC and the extra SB dura for

Less damage

A lose-lose, even

[weak cedar]

wait, how am i giving up rage from sc?

[pallid quiver]

You're giving it up from charge.

[jagged pier]

because your giving it up from charge

[crude flame]

If I'm doing two mistakes that kill me in less than three minutes, then die, but the point was that it saves a mistake that would lead to a wipe, then it's worth it

[pallid quiver]

The button you're just not pressing.

[weak cedar]

oh

[tardy abyss]

do I take larynx so Im full myth track or socket https://i.imgur.com/VsvGcMv.png

[weak cedar]

i meant charge + shield charge

mb

[pallid quiver]

If you do both, it eats one

And you don't get the benefit

[weak cedar]

it eats the damage or the rage generation or both?

[pallid quiver]

Both.

The ability just doesn't exist

If it eats SC, you don't even get the SB uptime

It it eats charge, you're at least only losing the rage and the miniscule damage it does

But again, you don't need to scramble send SC because you get enough rage for SB from charge+avatar

And if you're gathering packs, you don't need to just stand there in melee; you don't have to crazy man charge into ever single individual mob possible

You can, like, heroic throw one, leap near the second, rav+charge+avatar third pack where you're gonna sit down at

Start of a pull is the scariest part, but you can, like,

press shield wall

or not just let things free swing at you while gathering

[crude flame]

am I the only one that feels immesurable pleasure to thunder clap > avatar > thunder clap even if it's not even the most efficient?

that double thunderclap just tingles me

[pallid quiver]

he's over there cheating

Even worse, he's cheating against himself

Giving up blasts for claps

[weak cedar]

you do get enough rage for SB from charge+avatar, yes, but then your ignore pain is 1 gcd later

does that matter in high keys?

[pallid quiver]

IP doesn't do jack shit off a single application entirely isolated from everything else.

[crude flame]

yep, I agree, IP is noticiable when you have it stacked 3 times

[pallid quiver]

Its use comes from it constantly being applied and just constantly draining

[crude flame]

a single IP is gonna be blown in the first autoattack you get

[pallid quiver]

As well as the rage expenditure feeding into Indom/AM/Outburst

[crude flame]

but in m+ you should always try to pull with a big IP from a prior pull or with a defensive cd

[pallid quiver]

The main mit comes from SB, since blocking is cracked

[weak cedar]

isnt this more of a reason to have it up? so that huge instant damage doesnt go to my health bar in the scariest moment of the pull?

[crude flame]

I have to say I am not sure I understood xD what I'm losing by double thunderclapping?

[weak cedar]

or is it not enough to kill people usually

[pallid quiver]

I want you to go into WoW

get enough rage for 1 IP

and press it

[crude flame]

you're gonna receive like 5 autoattacks, you'd rather have shield block than receive 4 autoattacks

[weak cedar]

yes, the SB is a given

im 100% putting up shield block before anything else

[crude flame]

But the scenario was that if you charge+avatar and use rage in SB, you have IP one GCD later, and the answer is that it's more worth to have SB and then IP on pull than the inverse

of course the sooner you can IP, the better

but not at the cost of SB

[weak cedar]

huh

i have SB anyway because of shield charge

for free

i take the talent at the bottom

[crude flame]

you should pull with charge*

and use SC a bit later

[sharp gale]

There are big pulls you do at the start of certain dungeons

[pallid quiver]

So my War ain't fully geared since I stopped playing this season week 1, but

Off one press, you get 772k damage reduced

In exchange for what

[sinful spire]

rage

[pallid quiver]

Killing your rotation? Losing damage? Losing out on more IPs over time?

By stressing so much over that one IP, you're ignoring the entire cycle of how to keep fueling IPs

a single 772k absorb is pisswater compared to how much you get from cycling your rotation properly and fueling it

[paper granite]

its off the gcd

[weak cedar]

how does this kill my rotation or make me lose out on future IPs?

honest question

[pallid quiver]

You're already

Baseline

Okay with losing the rage from your initial charge

[weak cedar]

nono

i just dont think ive ever lost rage

[sharp gale]

But you shield charge on pull

[weak cedar]

i open with charge + avatar + (when im melee) shield charge + ignore pain

so i have both defensive layers from the first melee i get hit by

[sweet summit]

objectively suboptimal

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't matter if you think you haven't; you have as a result of charge+shield charge, plus you're not focusing on how to actually handle damage; you're giving up a global to send on Demo Shout for the rage, which gets CDR, meaning less rage over time

You don't need every single last blast of defensive the instant you touch the first mob; if you're that scared, the DPS have been dead like seven key levels ago

And you're certainly not timing that key if so

You're aiming to trickle away at the damage you're taking by using IP as it comes while maximizing your rage gen as much as humanly possible

[weak cedar]

you're giving up a global to send on Demo Shout for the rage, which gets CDR, meaning less rage over time
can't you make this exact same argument for shield charge since it generates even more rage than demo shout? i guess its less damage dealt to the pack but yeah

[pallid quiver]

The more CDs you spend on optimizing your rage gen, the more rage you get over time. So you want things like Demo Shout sent so they get CDR benefits as well as the damage

SC doesn't get CDR

From a god damn thing

Demo gets CDR from TC, max of 4.5s at a time

And you're gonna be clapping a lot assuming you're playing Thane, which if you're fussing about survival as much as you are, you should be, due to Avatar resetting its CD and all the thunder blasts

The biggest thing that you're ultimately losing out on is the damage, though; you're just throwing it to the wind because you're scared to gather things up, ultimately

[sharp gale]

Gather things up : most case of dying is taking back shots, so you can learn to not do that

And do dmg to the whole pull with all your things

(That’s how I view it personally so I send when packs are gathered/opener)

[weak cedar]

ye i definitely need to work on this

[pallid quiver]

on an entirely unrelated note, I have just learned the rare cloak has different appearances for different difficulty levels

My life is ruined

[jagged pier]

yes

[sharp gale]

I got it last week in vault, it was a win win, free crest upgrade on my fury cloak and a cloak for prot

[weak cedar]

not sure how demo shout having its cooldown reduced has an impact on what we were talking about, i think i would benefit from the same exact amount of cooldown reductions as your version, but my first demo shout would just be 1 gcd after yours

[jagged pier]

well hc and mythic are the same

[weak cedar]

but since everyone agrees with you im just gonna start doing that even without fully understanding lol

thanks

[jagged pier]

but raid finder is the best

[pallid quiver]

I just got the raid finder one is why I found out

was in my vault since the only thing I did was the one Ansurek kill for the 15 tokens

[pallid quiver]

Demo Shout gives you the DR + 30 rage. If you have Ravager out, that's the passive rage gen from that, as well. So you get:
The damage bonus to your SC
The potential for CDR if you need to clap/blast for aggro on mobs if this isn't necessarily your first pull
An IP from the rage gen from ravager or even the passive rage gen from being hit
The DR active earlier

So you either are ultimately scrambling to get SB up or scrambling to get IP up; if things aren't in range, you shouldn't commit either Demo Shout or SC. You're not taking damage in this case, say if you're gathering, so you don't need to fuss over DR, IP, or even damage

There's no reason to not Demo Shout first in any reasonable manner. It also even lets mobs get settled in case one's going to start casting, which you can then use SC as a stop for, since it also has a stun component

[lofty warren]

how good is this +11 nw

[pallid quiver]

More than I've ever done in a NW key this season.

I've never entered a NW key this season

[idle oar]

hahahh

[sharp gale]

You didn’t miss anything it didn’t change but you pull gatekeepers now and have to kill the whole instance

The only pull this season where physical dmg is scary

[tardy abyss]

Physical damage in SV is also scary

[crude flame]

when you say clap you mean thunderclap, but when you say blast I don't know what you mean

[tardy abyss]

The two most satisfying pulls this season tbh https://i.imgur.com/nryxbEq.png

[pallid quiver]

Thane's main gimmick turns Thunder Clap into an ability called Thunder Blast

[crude flame]

Ah, yeah

[pallid quiver]

In summary, it makes it do dramatically more damage and generate more rage

[crude flame]

yes, yes, now i gotcha

for me that was always thunderclap and thunderclap+

[sharp gale]

I really like the 8, less the 9th because they are little apart but they are fun these ones, I don’t like the nw pull

[tardy abyss]

The distance on 9 doesnt matter because most are melee anyway, fortunately

Else Id lose my mind

[sharp gale]

There are not casters ? I rarely do SV, the pack dies so quick I only vault fill this season

[tardy abyss]

The first pack when you pull it has casters

The others dont

[jagged pier]

i fucking hate this affix

[sharp gale]

Ok because I pull the first and go towards the anvil/buff, so I should just throw and stay on casters I guess

[pallid quiver]

is it the one you have to beat up the one mob?

[tardy abyss]

Or you have a dk who grips the casters

[jagged pier]

yes

[pallid quiver]

i'm glad i'm not really playing this season

[jagged pier]

i dont get why the warrior isnt higher than me he can meat cleave execute off it

[pallid quiver]

well, ghash lost a bet so i might again when he comes back

[raw oracle]

stop, you're making sense

[pallid quiver]

Do you think most DPS Wars ever even think about cleaving execute?

Meat headed as all hell smh

[jagged pier]

they should

[sharp gale]

Execute do dmg as fury ? I did a key this morning as fury i almost never press execute lol (i play thane)

Never lose your thunderclap

[jagged pier]

i dunno but even if they just meat cleaver rotation off it they should be doing more damage it than i am

[sharp gale]

let me see, because i'm also a Ignore Affix enjoyer

oh

[jagged pier]

u loose nothing by targetting it

literally nothing

[sharp gale]

no no, he death touched it each time

[jagged pier]

that doesnt insta break the shield

and i dont get it i thought fury wanted rage and execute is an extra generator i dunno i just dont understan dps not swapping (outside of i guess monk tank)

[sharp gale]

in the 11 the thing had like 1/10 remaining health each time idk

lol

[echo sun]

Do you guys recommend making a macro for revenge like for ignore pain.
/cast revenge
/cast shield slam

Or it doesnt work

[sharp gale]

no you can't macro 2 gcd spell

you would need to do a cast sequence, and you don't really want to play with cast sequences

i still have that

[cerulean vine]

Elo. So I had a question. I'm a new Prot Warrior and I'm confused on looking at the Icy Vein's BiS. From what I understand Mastery is the last stat Prot War generally takes, but on the site it shows the Mark of Khardos. Is this because of the total stats of the other BiS items?

[echo sun]

Ah true

[strong forum]

Most people cleave onto the affix, which is turbo trolling

They don't focus the void emissary which is sad

[jagged pier]

yer it annoys me same everytime the affix rolls around

really annoys me when theres a big pack at the same time and they just rubo blasting the mobs with DR on them

like brah

your wasting damage

[bright cypress]

Hello guys I can offer advanced 3D animation and custom rigging services for characters and objects, ensuring fluid, lifelike

[weak cedar]

does anyone know any tank content creators (ideally prot war but i guess anything works) that show m+ runs while explaining everything they're thinking about in the moment?

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think so, maybe try Quazii?

[untold bane]

Is ilvl prioritized on rings too since they dont have primary stats?

Debating if I should wear my DPS crit/mast myth ring instead of haste/vers hero

[brittle owl]

i'd just watch sense's vids if i were you

you don't need an explanation if you pay attention to ability usage/pulls/party comp

[sharp gale]

The sim god told me to wear the vers/mastery ring 639 over the haste/vers 626, I’m a mere mortal

[untold bane]

You cant sim survivability though

[jagged pier]

rings are easy if its 10-15ilvls higher its probably better

because more stats > less better stats

[raw oracle]

but they can't hurt you when they're dead

[jagged pier]

also correct but u are survivable in any amount of stats which is why u sim for dps as surivibility comes from play not stats

[violet ginkgo]

I have question, how do we see damage type at log? aka if it is physical or magical?

[jagged pier]

well if its physical its yellow

if its a different colour its a type of damage

like green is nature

purple probably shadow

etc etc

[violet ginkgo]

ah that simple? kk thx Jakey.

[jagged pier]

ye

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/WngqfXw.png

we did it team

now if only i had a mythic weapon...

[tardy abyss]

Have you tried looting one

[strong forum]

i kept losing the rolls on it

[tardy abyss]

The first time Sikran dropped it nobody but me wanted it

And I had an offspec roll on it

lol

Do you have 5 fdks or how do you lose everytime

Or does Sikran just not drop it often

[strange lintel]

whats a good prot trinket i can put on and forget. one that i can farm from current m+ content?

[pastel geyser]

Arakara egg

[strange lintel]

have that since im using my dps trinket in prot heh

[pastel geyser]

On use mastery trinket isnt bad either

[honest hare]

hey, is there a preferred build for zekvir?

[pastel geyser]

The dps spec

[honest hare]

fair

[jagged pier]

no its been done in multiple specs

and multiple ways

[pastel geyser]

Idk how it is now but whej i did it tank was very hard

Or downright impossible

Prob better now

[honest hare]

jeah i feel like i have to low dmg for ?? as tank and was wandering if there is a special build or something to do it as tank 🤔 but i guess i just can do it as fury xD

[jagged pier]

i mean its an absoulte joke

[viscid patrol]

guys is it normal that i have to repair the shield more often than any piece of equipment? Or is it just a feeling

[strong forum]

yes

blocking attacks causes durability dmg

[wild chasm]

How is that calculated? Based on how good of a parses you did in the dungeons?

[weak cedar]

does anyone know what the difference between "opener" and "rotation" is? it looks like the opener is fully included in the rotation, so can i just ignore the opener and do the bottom thing?

[strong forum]

this is raid parse

[strong forum]

kinda

the general rotation follows the same prio

[wild chasm]

This is even a better flex 😮

[strong forum]

si

[weak cedar]

alright

ty

[tardy abyss]

How does the discount for alts exactly work? If one char is fully myth track equipped?

[ionic fern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warband-crest-discount-yields-33-discount-on-future-crest-upgrade-costs-346715

[tardy abyss]

So it doesnt work with crafted items

That sucks

Otherwise I would just take the larynx so I can get it

Or is a 639 larynx better than a 626 mark anyway...

[strong forum]

for ST yes

for m+ dont think so

[tardy abyss]

Well I only play prot in M+

meh

[violet ginkgo]

Mwahi upgrade to Orange, congrats Mwahi

[strong forum]

mwahi was orange before me 😄

but he hid it behind blue name

[ionic fern]

Was part of a joke this morning. Forgot to change it back

[strong forum]

smh

[ionic fern]

[violet ginkgo]

nooo mwahi back to blue, he is scary again as a mod

[ionic fern]

Was a good and true joke tho.

[shut summit]

wrong

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/point-hehe-haha-smiling-i-see-what-you-did-there-gif-21567119

[rigid pilot]

Do you guys like defensive trinkets? I got 639 ara'kara and deciding for 619 silken or 639 spare meat hook as the second trinket

[shut summit]

can use them if you want, trinkets are pretty ass all around this season

[south sparrow]

Hello. I have a question. I picked from vault new onehander with better stats, but game wants me to spend gilded crest to upgrade it even though previous onehander is maxed out mythic. Is this because fury could dualwield those and is there workaround for skipping using gilded crest? I'd rather not spend 60 gilded to change mastery to haste.

[strong forum]

You need 1h + shield to have maxed to myth before you get discount yeah

Because of fury

[mortal pecan]

Thinking of leveling a 2nd tank. Coming from prot war is there a better class to transition to or they all the same?

[strong forum]

If you upgrade a 2h to 639 though you would get full discount for prot and fury for some reason

[strong forum]

Most tanks feel rather different to prot warrior in terms of what to look out for

[south sparrow]

Is it okay if I feel sad about this upgrading fact.

[strong forum]

Vdh and bdk are more the polar opposites in terms of what scares you where phys tank busters and melee attacks are extremely dangerous but magic ones to less extend

[strong forum]

It's an extremely weird fact yeah

[mortal pecan]

In terms of difficulty to play, how would you rank the tanks?

[wild chasm]

I guess rage fueled tanks are easiest so guardian and prot warr, then bdk/vdh and I guess pally is the hardest? But I might be wrong, pally and vdh could be equally hard

[strong forum]

Bear and pwar the easiest
That's a given

The other 4 are kind of a blur

Cuz bdk is very easy in raid but then catapults in difficulty in m+

Similar story for vdh

[mortal pecan]

Yeah strictly speaking for m+

[strong forum]

Mh

Then they should all be similarly hard

Pally maybe slightly easier at a base level

[compact palm]

Told my mage he gotta block the next tank hit and he just says what all confused as I meld and he dies instantly

This is peak performance boys

[shut summit]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/57sSOzJcbwrCnFrC4O91LwEydb3CY0fk4srkTFUdCGc/https/i.imgur.com/9zWWNLc.mp4

my friend rerolling to prot pally

great comedy

[compact palm]

[jagged pier]

[tardy abyss]

VDH doesnt feel intuitive imo

The way its mitigation works makes it feel like a dps spec

[weak cedar]

weird request, can someone go slap a dummy for 1 min and send the recording?

doing the rotation

[primal onyx]

are we still thane for tankiness or has colossus taken over?

[tardy abyss]

Still Thane

[vocal cave]

I'd say strictly for m+ vdh is the hardest and bear is the easiest

[cunning oriole]

Need advice for GV that simming doesn't help with...My only 2 marginally decent choices this week are Reactive Webbed Escutcheon (616H shield w/2.5m magic absorb bubble, bonus armor but no stam) replacing my 606C shield (a 7.6k stam and secondary stats loss), OR a 606C Swarmlord's Authority trink replacing 610H Siphoning Lightbrand trink. Help?

[strong forum]

both choices suck ass xd

ngl

[jagged pier]

socket

and save

till higher ilvl

[cunning oriole]

buy a socket and save...what? sorry, not familiar with the concept

[compact palm]

U save the socket item till u have something good to put it on

That u won't replace

[cunning oriole]

Ah, gotcha, thanks for clarifying. So the shield isn't better for dmg mit while I'm gearing for better?

[compact palm]

Idk personally at this point in the season I wouldn't take anything heroic out of vault u can just spam dungeons till u get one

Just invite shamans and they will eventually just give u one

Champ can go to 619 which is only shy of 626 hero peice so it matters very little

[cunning oriole]

cool, thanks for the feedback

[high haven]

So paladins can do this, can warriors mimic or is it just rely on spell block and hope it works or spell reflect if its reflectable

[jagged pier]

well we dont need to hope it works we know it does and doesnt work against

if u press spell block u have 100% block chance against blockable spells

its that simple

[high haven]

i c. ty xD

[balmy oasis]

Vault day!
which loot specialization is optimal for m+

i guess with prot loot specialization there is a chance i get tank trinkets i dont want and with dps i get dps trinkets i dont want

[violet ginkgo]

In short this is what pally have to do to mimic fraction of warrior's spellblocking power.

[jagged pier]

i dunno they have it pretty much all the time we dont

[balmy oasis]

fok

[smoky anvil]

I’m using that same cloak on that same track.

Ilvl is still king.

[long kayak]

'i got both, curshers and skarmorak at 626., wich should i pick

[balmy oasis]

idk i would go with trinket as its bis if u dont raid i guess

Easier to get whatever gloves u can catalyst

[violet ginkgo]

but yeah I mean out setup is just way more easier? keep shield block up (which is always) then press spellblock tada 30 secs blocking spells. Compared to pally press these and those, and make sure blockrate about x value

however I could be wrong? I never play pally too

[violet ginkgo]

well uh... sim issue I think?

cause having chest 639 could also be big but yeah... trinkets is a bit tricky to get too.

[chilly brook]

wdym? just press button and go brrrrrr

[tardy abyss]

Doesn't feel like a tank spec tbh

[chilly brook]

You do every meta cycle

[vocal cave]

Is mastery better for strictly blockable phys hits than vers/crit?

[chilly brook]

no

[violet ginkgo]

tell him to be sigma Matt, go haste mastery

[cyan bronze]

I was called

Haste mastery is giga chad

[tidal rampart]

is ceaseless swarmgland any good for protection?

[strong forum]

Mastery is better than vers for phys dmg but not better than crit

That being said both crit and mastery rely on rng, so it's only good against a large sample size, not against invidiual specific hits

[deft mortar]

Vers is based numbers are for geeks

Zug zug

[tardy abyss]

zugzug

[supple meadow]

so 95% of people in the wowhead comment section

[supple meadow]

I just keep watching it and it gets funnier every time

[shut summit]

lmao it's a good one

[upbeat lake]

Anyone been able to time the harder +12s keys? (CoT SV GB)

even with no wipes and like less than 4 deaths in my group the bigger problem is still that we run out of time to time the key

i don't think my route is too safe either

[sweet summit]

do you do 1 mob at a time? or play with people doing sub 1 mill overall?

[upbeat lake]

DPS usually average anywhere from 1.25M DPS to 2M DPS on the tries i've done, i usually have around 800k DPS

[sweet summit]

you have more than enough damage then

show route?

[upbeat lake]

some dungeons like SV too there isn't that many different paths you can choose

compared to something like a Dawnbreaker

[sweet summit]

I skip a lot at the start, only two pulls before 1st boss

[past sedge]

can you intervene anything

on cot 2nd boss

[sweet summit]

the physical bleed thing psure

[past sedge]

i tried on knife throw

doesnt work for some reason

[sweet summit]

okay nvm then

just storm shield value i guess

[upbeat lake]

i also need to learn how to use intervene especially for NW first boss

i find myself being too slow to click on the guy who's targeted

[sweet summit]

can easily grab a targetoftarget macro for that but that's one extra button

[past sedge]

intervene mouseover

ez.

[sweet summit]

I use mouseover yeah ^

[torn gulch]

do we have the vdh ruby gif somewhere?

[upbeat lake]

thats my SV route

the pulls can change a tiny bit depending on the patrol timings in machinist wing

[sweet summit]

if you can, this is amazing
especially the 2nd and 3rd

however doing hallway alone is still good
just don't be scared to chainpull there

[upbeat lake]

you said you skip some packs in the hallway usually?

[sweet summit]

also this

[sweet summit]

I was talking about cot

[tardy abyss]

Best pull is clearing everything to Edna in just 2 pulls

[sweet summit]

my bad

[upbeat lake]

oh yeah that one

[upbeat lake]

MDI style, bring the whole skarmorak wing into the boss and blame dps if nothing is dead in 10 seconds

[sweet summit]

real

[tardy abyss]

My pull is not even MDI

But actually done in high keys

Triple golem isn't that bad because you can los the stomp

Only hurts you as a tank

[torn gulch]

yes trash to edna needs to be done in 2 pulls

[upbeat lake]

it feels like a good strat if i actually had a good group of players with communication but on random pugs it seems rough to pull off

[torn gulch]

there are a lot of los spots especially if tank can position properly

there are pillars in that room

[tardy abyss]

Wing to Skarmorak can be cleared in just 3 pulls too

[torn gulch]

triple double single

[tardy abyss]

Ye

[torn gulch]

in that wing

[tardy abyss]

Scariest part of the dungeon tho

[torn gulch]

you do double after edna then 3 pulls to skarmorak then 5 pulls to machinist

[tardy abyss]

Not 4 pulls to machinist?

Double double triple double

[torn gulch]

double triple triple double?

[tardy abyss]

Or right second pull is triple

But ye

[torn gulch]

the problem with second triple

is that it has to be chained

[upbeat lake]

something more like this?

[torn gulch]

can t be done natty

[tardy abyss]

I play 6 with 7 and skip 12

[upbeat lake]

how do you skip that 12

[tardy abyss]

But these pulls are only needed in higher keys anyway

[upbeat lake]

cause it do be annoying to fight

[tardy abyss]

Shadowmeld

[upbeat lake]

oh yeah i'm not a nightelf

rippeperonies

[sweet summit]

someone else pulls them away

there are 4 other people in the key

but i wouldn't bother in a 12

[upbeat lake]

maybe if we have a rogue

that'll make it easy

[sweet summit]

they have true sight

[upbeat lake]

if no night elf

[tardy abyss]

You can't stealth past them

[upbeat lake]

ah damn

the hardest part from what i remember imo is doing 5 and 6 after because of all the tank debuff i usually don't have that much left for 6 after 5

[torn gulch]

you either ne or you pull aside

6+7 is not really happening at the same time

you chain

you use cd-s in 5 and kite away a lot of the pull

[sweet summit]

you kite to drop stacks once you run out of cds

[upbeat lake]

how long do those last until its dropped

[sweet summit]

idk like 8 seconds? right click them in mdt

and mouseover the ability

[upbeat lake]

ok yeah 8 sec

5% each stack

[sweet summit]

holy hell i'm smart

[torn gulch]

this is tanking natural progression
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759564659714949213/1233207622052610128/rlp.gif?ex=67485cd8&is=67470b58&hm=f95de12bf270c4ed03ac904a3452998e4ab2cf82ff39899550186637fa1b9a0a&
https://imgur.com/9zWWNLc

[upbeat lake]

buff prot paladin

Should i be putting prio on crit or vers after haste? a lot of site just list them as equal, rn i've been doing crit so i have 24% crit but only 8% vers

[sweet summit]

won't make or break anything
crit is generally better for dps and mitigation throughout an entire dungeon (through parry)
vers is like jack of all trades master of none
we don't have any bad secondary stats so anything with haste makes me happy

[upbeat lake]

25% haste is good or i need to aim for even more?

[sweet summit]

ideally more but it is what it is

[upbeat lake]

a lot of my gear has haste as its 2nd weaker stat rip

[sweet summit]

if you're a fiend you can farm haste heavy hero gear 🤭

[cyan bronze]

I wonder if I can get double ravager to sim higher with colossus with double on use than battering ram

[sweet summit]

if you sim like 1 minute sure

[plush pond]

Hey Is changing stances a thing like DF for Prot ? Like iirc Prot mostly played with Battle stance unless the inc damage was high

[sweet summit]

most cba

[cyan bronze]

Ie: means rav+troar+demo shout +demolish+ mark/transmitter every cd set

Instead of ravager every other cd set

[wraith totem]

what trinket would you guys recommend for M+.
I'm pushing 14s and the void packstone has Leach extra stat

[cyan bronze]

socket

aggression module is a large ish shield and its main stat ig

kinda dog tho

foul behemoth is ok

packstone is haste proc which is ok? ig, and dmg on death iirc, which is bad

is behemoth myth track

[wraith totem]

ye everytrhing is myth track

[cyan bronze]

I’d take that

It’s pretty decent if you can cheese it in certain keys

Iirc, it’s uncapped max hp, so far as you can stack it

Should? increase healing & ip cap, or?

[wraith totem]

never played with it will do some research

thanks mate!

[violet ginkgo]

I think it will increase IP cap since ip cap based on max HP

[cyan bronze]

Yeah idk if the max hp from trinket is normal tho

Could see it being “fake” max health, cus blizzard

But never rly messed around w it

[desert grail]

Any tips on the first pull of siege? I have a +15 and that first pack that reduces your haste is terrifying. It’s hard to get aggro and press my buttons. I’ve timed on a +14 a few times but I don’t feel confident yet to try the +15.

[hollow sphinx]

is wrecking thow a must this week?

[fresh pilot]

Evening, small question i am using 636 crafted weapon. Today i got in Vault a myth track weapon yet it shows as -18k dps, anyone who can explain?

[jagged pier]

im guessing u ahve ascension on the crafted

so did u sim with new emblishments?

[fresh pilot]

Ah no i didnt, so if i pick the weapon i should add the embelishment to shield for example? can ascension go on shield?

[jagged pier]

you wont be running ascension

[fresh pilot]

OK, what should i put on shield instead?

[jagged pier]

u go for double stat emblishment

which ever u prefer

[fresh pilot]

so 2x dawnthread for example?

[long kayak]

if you live your life above 80% most of the time its good

[jagged pier]

ye

which u should be

by playing prot correctly

u also loost ascension all the times in dungeons when u dont change pull

and it takes minutes to get back

[fresh pilot]

understood, didnt consider that

[strong forum]

Embellishs are only less than 1% of a stat

Soooooo

Yeh

[lilac minnow]

Has anyone here seen or gotten a shield from their "dungeon options" in the vault?

I've been opening as Prot for all of this season and all of last season of DragonFlight and have not seen a single shield or 1-hander option so far from dungeon part...

[jagged pier]

ye

the only time i opened as prot

[fresh pilot]

Yes OK, so with recrafting shield with crit embelishment, and using 639 weapon with enchant its a 4k DPS increase

[jagged pier]

i got shield

[long kayak]

how much dps increase with elemental focus?

[lilac minnow]

Damn, I am either incredibly unlucky then because I just don't see them, or char is bugged... and probably am just stupidly unlucky.

[fresh pilot]

checking now

[fresh pilot]

i saw first 1 handed weapon today..

[fresh pilot]

1,9k with lens

[long kayak]

its only luck, 'ive looted scrap the last three vaults.

[runic forge]

Hello, may I please ask if 639 SHIELD (Old-Blood Hielaman = high haste, low mastery) is better than 636 CRAFTED SHIELD (even haste/vers)? The +3 ilvl should make up for the stat diff rightt? Thank you for any tips! ❤️

[jagged pier]

639 is always better

[runic forge]

thank you very much, wanted to make sure

[indigo yoke]

Hey all, did a quick search but didn’t see specifically the number I’m curious about. What is the haste “cap” we should be aiming for as prot? I know we have the talent that gives us bonus haste, but without it… what should our natural haste be? 30%?

[waxen frigate]

There isn’t a cap

Whatsoever

There is a breakpoint for swapping ITF vs HR but that’s it

[jagged pier]

as high as possible with the most strength u can get

[indigo yoke]

So there’s no diminishing returns on the value of the stat beyond 30%?

[jagged pier]

there is

but haste is so important we dont care

[indigo yoke]

Hah okay fair enough thanks

[supple meadow]

i thought that was true but since i'm new to tanking i didnt want to give them the wrong info and accidentally be confidently incorrect LOL

[bleak delta]

embrace the zug zug and keep going haste!

[indigo yoke]

Yeah currently at 31% feels really good just wasn’t sure if I should push for much further

And that’s without the haste talent

[jagged pier]

just remeber strength is more important than haste so if u drop haste to get more strength its better

[lofty warren]

Should you use shield wall on cd? I've been holding for bigger pulls/when I am dropping low

[supple meadow]

i figured yeah

[jagged pier]

stregnth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste > crit/vers

[supple meadow]

and mastery is forbidden

[indigo yoke]

Okay is there a str number we should be aiming for baseline?

Other than “as much as you can” haha

[bleak delta]

answered your own question friend

😉

[lofty warren]

You literally want unlimited str

[indigo yoke]

Haha ok

So get on the juice and roid out

[bleak delta]

now you're thinking like a warrior ahaha!

[lofty warren]

Correct limit of str you want is 1/0

[supple meadow]

zug motherfkin zug

[bleak delta]

WE ZUG

[indigo yoke]

I usually use it on tank busters and when first gathering big pulls

[supple meadow]

i've been using it off cd

[jagged pier]

eh?

like all your armour pieces give strength

[supple meadow]

we answered that question for them

[jagged pier]

it doesnt increase by %

so more than 0

[supple meadow]

it's all coming up zug

[bleak delta]

1/0 is a great way to put it

[lofty warren]

Lool my shield wall q that one is big good and not answered

[supple meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[bleak delta]

love the math joke, but this is the warrior discord, math is basically heresy

[indigo yoke]

I took a massive break from wow (7 years) and last time I played there were certain %s for stat numbers that folks aimed for to min/max … atleast for rogues. So was curious if that was something that applies now haha

[indigo yoke]

lol

[supple meadow]

funnily enough, i cant do math

so

[cyan bronze]

Strength is by far the best stat for pwar

[supple meadow]

i was made for warrior tanking

[cyan bronze]

There’s like, a few specs where they run into a secondary being better than primary

But there even it’s close

[indigo yoke]

I appreciate the simplicity of it haha

[cyan bronze]

The only time you worry about it is on trinkets if there’s a secondary stat stick, but the proc/on use is good enough to justify the strength drop

[lofty warren]

Should you use shield wall on cd? I've been holding for bigger pulls/when I am dropping low

[cyan bronze]

And generally, it either by far is not, or by far is

[mighty valley]

try and make sure you have it in advance of big damage moments, but it's got such a low effective cooldown that you can send it pretty frequently

[supple meadow]

i use it on cd, but other than that i usually save it for when i know something is about to hurt

[cyan bronze]

Yeah

[mighty valley]

it's bad as an "oh no i dropped low" button because you've already taken the damage

[cyan bronze]

Either on pull or right after demo shout falls off

[indigo yoke]

Thanks, fellow tanks. Have a good one!

[cyan bronze]

Is generally when I use it

On pull if demo shout won’t hit the entire gather

[lofty warren]

But it stops new damage from coming

[supple meadow]

zugzug

[proven plume]

dmg reduction at 90% is better than at 10%

[bleak delta]

anytime mate, take care!

[mighty valley]

i mean i guess you might as well press it if you've dropped low. but try and remember for next time that if you'd pressed it a few seconds earlier, you wouldn't have dropped low in the first place

[cyan bronze]

Defensives aren’t really great when dropping low

[mighty valley]

damage typically comes in bursts from casts etc

[cyan bronze]

You can use last stand reactively

But generally you never want to use defensives reactively

[jagged pier]

u should defensive before the damage

[cyan bronze]

Last stand you’d want to generally rip after some amount of the damage has gone through, no? to actually get the healing from it

Minor, but w.e

[supple meadow]

i saw on the wowhead guide that i shouldnt be pressing IP unless i'm above 60 rage?

is this because of shield block

[cyan bronze]

You don’t want to starve yourself

[mighty valley]

it’s a good rule of thumb

[cyan bronze]

& revenge fishing

[supple meadow]

oh ok that makes sense

[mighty valley]

take note this will mean you will still press ip a ton lol

[supple meadow]

it didnt really clarify why

[cyan bronze]

There will be times where you’ll have dead globals that ss and tc are on cd

You want to revenge to reset ss

If you ip too low you’ll not be able to restart your rotation and have a dead global or two

[supple meadow]

yeah i havent been getting lucky with those

revenge isn't being nice to me :(

[cyan bronze]

It’s more damage than not pressing anything else, also

[supple meadow]

noooooo i thought i still had a day left on my sub

crying, sobbing

i wanted to open my vault :(

my first vault on prot

[cyan bronze]

I mean there’s times where I send a ip @40 rage to force a VO proc on the next tb/SS

Like if avatar is falling off&i want to get avatar buffed vo tb

But w.e

[supple meadow]

that's understandable

[cyan bronze]

Just don’t starve your rotation out

[supple meadow]

yeahhh

i am still tripping on that

but it's a learning process

i wanted to practice more in tw dungeons

[cyan bronze]

I mean I would just do keys

Tw mobs aren’t gonna live long enough

[supple meadow]

but blizzard had to shut me off

[cyan bronze]

[supple meadow]

oh i'm nowhere near geared for keys

not even m0

[cyan bronze]

Ilvl?

[supple meadow]

i think i just hit 400 ilvl lol

[cyan bronze]

buy ah gear xd

[supple meadow]

probably a good idea

[cyan bronze]

its like 5-10k total gold for like 560 ish

And you can do prob do 7 or 8 spam @ that ilvl with fine play

[supple meadow]

but not until the thursday after this thursday

so i wont be opening my vault

[lofty warren]

Let's say you don't wait to get low. You still use shield wall pretty much on cd?

[cyan bronze]

P much

[supple meadow]

who me?

oh, general question

[cyan bronze]

Why would I sit on it unless I need it for something specific

I’d rather take less damage now and again sooner than sit on it for 40 seconds and effectively waste a full sw

[supple meadow]

40% dr is better when no damage is coming in rather than having it on cd when damage is coming in

[lofty warren]

I see. So basically there it isn't worth to hold for when you really need it vs send it bc it's available

[supple meadow]

as far as i've been learning yes

[tardy abyss]

If you know you're gonna need it very soon you hold

But since it has an effective cd of less than a minute you can send it often

And on higher levels you don't get around using it often anyway

[supple meadow]

yeah our talents just eat that 3.5m timer to bits

it's effectively a 40s-1m cd

[cyan bronze]

If you have a reason to hold it, you can hold it

[lofty warren]

40 sec cd I should be using it more. Been treating it like a 5 min with no cdr

[cyan bronze]

But if you’re just holding it to hold it, send it

[tardy abyss]

You will quickly get a feeling of how often and when you can use it

[supple meadow]

yeah i was doing the same thing until i was told our cdr massively reduces it

[mighty valley]

you just start to know where the damage comes from in dungeons

[cyan bronze]

Your long cd is honestly last stand

[mighty valley]

e.g. start of pull, tankbusters... dps misses a kick

and whether it's smart to hold off on shield wall for a few secs or if you might as well send it with nothing critical coming up in the next minute

but for most new players, yeah, just start throwing it out rather than save it for a rainy day

[cyan bronze]

Prot has so many low cd defensives

[mighty valley]

when you don't even know when the rainy days are yet

[tardy abyss]

Missed kicks rarely hurt us

Think it's only DB even

[cyan bronze]

Spell reflect, demo shout, spell block, shieldwall; you usually have enough cds to just send

[tardy abyss]

Also SV I guess

[mighty valley]

web bolts can randomly pick on you

[cyan bronze]

Also another shoutout to our lord and savior spellblock

[mighty valley]

but yeah, spell block

[cyan bronze]

Me when I hit a defensive and it’s up for 30 seconds

[mighty valley]

wouldn't it be funny if they put spell block on anger management

haha jk

unless...

[dapper jay]

Complete shit vault. But is this trinket worth it? I have Sacbrood/Skarmorak Shard atm on hero 619

[cyan bronze]

No

[dapper jay]

Sadge

[cyan bronze]

Pull around it

[dapper jay]

hm?

[cyan bronze]

Pull around the one minute dodge timer maybe it gains more value

[supple meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3478694

[cyan bronze]

Me when I log into my prot paladin on accident(I have 100% spell block)

[long flower]

bloodbath does more dmg than crushing blow?

[buoyant hornet]

so boys, is colossus back on the menu?

[jagged gust]

Probs not in a 17? but otherwise it's always been more than viable

[pastel turtle]

i want nothing more than for colossus to not be trolling

[mighty valley]

if you’re not pushing v high keys it’s not trolling

[pallid quiver]

I'm mega late, but you still get the healing from Last Stand if you use it at max HP; it's how you get to your new max hp theshold. You don't double dip or anything. It'd only matter if there are heal absorbs involved or healing increases like BSV

[cyan bronze]

Init