protection

[weak cedar]

what would be considered the easiest m+ dungeon for prot war? i kinda have this idea of spamming a single dungeon repeatedly to get good at it, instead of having to learn everything at the same time

not sure how cooked that is

[chilly brook]

Honestly probably SV

You just have a tool in the toolkit for everything

[sharp gale]

I did try pull whole room (except more gatekeepers) in a 10 kinda sketchy to group them

I think the easiest as prot war is mists, no boss tank buster, just 2 mobs with tanks related shit in entire dungeon

[tardy abyss]

@sharp gale Just so we are on the same page with the NW pull, we are both talking about this one right https://i.imgur.com/38tMj0M.png

Or do you also pull that pack behind it

[sharp gale]

It’s with the 5 guys pack

[tardy abyss]

Well thats a nasty pull

[sharp gale]

Yes, it is the gatekeeper pull

[tardy abyss]

I mean, technically this is a gatekeeper pull too

[sweet summit]

this the pull

[sharp gale]

Well when someone says g pull, I suppose it’s with the 5 guys

[tidal bronze]

Hi guys in Necrotic wake do you know if sooth is enough to skip the two harvester on the right ?

[sharp gale]

Now I understand why you don’t feel you need 2 SW for the pull

@strong forum jeve gaslighted me with his route and made me take the 5 guys in the ass ?

[tardy abyss]

Im not sure if I would need it nonetheless tho

Considering in my pull I dont drop any hp at all

But w/e

[sharp gale]

That’s a pull where I’m scared of physical dmg lel

[tardy abyss]

What ilvl do you have

[sharp gale]

When I did it in the first time ?

[tardy abyss]

I guess

Or now

Im probably overgeared even for 14s

[sharp gale]

Well now it’s pointless (i don’t push)

[tardy abyss]

oh

[sharp gale]

But i was maybe 624 in an 11

The first time

Now I think like you said I overgear 13s or 14s

I stepped into a single 12 because friends, I didn’t see the difference with an 11

[tardy abyss]

ye it feels mostly the same

13 to 14 felt like a jump

[flint tiger]

what's the approximate SW recharge when using the IW out of curiosity?

[tardy abyss]

45 to 60 seconds

So, really short

[sharp gale]

After that particular key when I discover the nerf of guile was that huge, I did 2 more 12s in pug still same résults, they are not even that fun, shit dies too fast

I Hope next season Will make me want to push title who knows

[tardy abyss]

Next season will be awful too

[sharp gale]

🤷‍♂️ i dislike current dungeon, next can just be better for me

[tardy abyss]

Doing NW +15 now

wish me luck

[sharp gale]

I spray some holy water on your shield 💦💦💦

[jagged pier]

next season gunna be worse

[tropic tangle]

the darkness gimmick in M+

[jagged pier]

not just that, the abhorrent amount of magic damage in prioy

and ccs u need

[tropic tangle]

also general tuning yeah

[sharp gale]

I don’t know why people say at least priory or colony, did they just have zero projection of the key when doing mechanic matters

[tropic tangle]

all the s2 tww dungeons felt awful on heroic week / m0 week because they clearly haven't bothered balancing

[sharp gale]

I have 0 opinion on a dungeon I did in heroic, it’s like I don’t know it

[fallow hinge]

what talent point would you drop here to get disrupting shout?

[jagged pier]

bloodsurge

[sharp gale]

Like the colony entire room with boss is not something I expect us to really do

Or entire corridor after the boss until the door

[sweet egret]

no

[flint tiger]

are people going back to taking DR over champions spear?

and taking ravager again over BSV?

[tardy abyss]

Ravager has always been the better play anyway

[flint tiger]

yeah for dmg and defensive rage gen, but I have enjoyed the spear root in some bosses/use-cases

but that is prob cause i run with weird ass groups

[tardy abyss]

Well majority plays spear anyway, no?

[flint tiger]

that don't already have that util for me lol

[jagged pier]

its a question of crit

if u dont have high crit

u run roar

if u do

u run spear

or

[tardy abyss]

Whats "high crit" anyway

[jagged pier]

or

or

u just play what u like best

[sharp gale]

Nah reroll to fotm tank

[strong forum]

25+

you can just sim ykno

[jagged pier]

apprently its use again because 5% is massive for prot pala

[sharp gale]

Idk I’m too clueless about pala, so I don’t read their lines

I just look at the classes/spec I’m interested in

(War/brew/affli/bm)

[sweet egret]

yes, you're naturally completely right. I too play itf in raid.

disrupting shout + spell block 🙂

it is good

[edgy bone]

Could you explain why?

I feel like Larynx and Organ are both outperformed by Skarmoraks/Khardros as DPS trinkets on prot

[sweet egret]

afaik it's just math, if sim says #1 > #2 just trust

[frail ibex]

Hey bit of an off topic question but does anyone know of any m+ team setup discords that are not Mythic + Friends? Getting real sick of that 1 pug bricking 13s/14s

[vagrant echo]

What’s high crit?

[flint tiger]

So basically decision is either DPS decision (probably more for raid use-cade), otherwise either is fine depending on what you need?

Basically debating dropping spear if I don't need a root for the fight (I mainly do m+) .

Bc I'm bad, I still take BSV to bail me of if needed instead of ravager. Might swap it and see how higher keys feel without my fail safe button lol.

[high wyvern]

If u need BSV just take off ravager

I always run BSV anyway

[mortal pecan]

For those of you that pug m+, what Ilvl do you look for given the m+ you're running? For example 600ilvl for x+ mythic, etc..

[high wyvern]

If u die = keys brick 90% of the time. So rather do a little lower DPS

[jagged pier]

thats a question for yourself and where u are comfortable

for some ppl 600 is enough for 10s

[mortal pecan]

What about when you're trying to form a group? What do you look at before inviting others

[vagrant echo]

I look more for rating but you can basically get to 620 in a week now if you try

[gleaming canyon]

im getting back into (heroic and mythic - 5/8) raiding after years out, and a few dozen hours of m+ as prot. Would you guys recommend learning arms or fury this tier? Curious what the m+ tanks do for raid

i know this is a dps question, but ive only tanked m+

[remote anchor]

fury is the more popular one rn

also pretty strong

arms isnt bad either

[gleaming canyon]

basically whatever you prefer? just curious because having to get 2 myth track weapons seems like pain on a m+ loot diet

[jagged pier]

welll fury depends on mastery

where arms shares prot stats

[gleaming canyon]

yea i was thinking arms would be nice because my crafted gear is crit haste

and if I miss again on the vault for a myth 2 hander at least I only have to craft 1 weapon

[chilly brook]

rating means fuck all

I hit 2680 at pre 620

and plenty of people have rating they shouldn't

[vagrant echo]

As ilvl goes up so does the minimum rating to signal a good player

[chilly brook]

seen lots of 2700 shaman healers who can barely do 500k hps

[vagrant echo]

That’s doubtful…

[chilly brook]

there is 0 correlation between ilvl and rating to skill

[jagged pier]

brah my rating hasnt changed since like week 2

[chilly brook]

I experienced it yesterday lmao

If you really wanna see how good someone is with a snap shot you're going to actually have to look at logs

or some actual metric of previous performance

[vagrant echo]

I’m saying ilvl allows people to out gear keys

So as the average ilvl goes up that 2700 doesn’t mean the same

A 3k player right now is solid

[dapper jay]

Hey all. At some dungeons you start a pull without any ignore pain up or anything, so just naked. At these situations I get rly low and almost die (Stonevault / Siege first pulls). any tips? Whats ur rotation like to not die? I stack them up and shield wall. but sometimes thats not enough and I dont get enough rage to keep pain up

[vagrant echo]

Where as 4 weeks ago you could rely on like 2700

[stark helm]

shield wall

[chilly brook]

Or it just simply means the person can't be bothered to dedicate 10s of hours just climbing 30-50io at a time

It's not very meaningful

[vagrant echo]

Bro your writing your own story and not listening

GL brother

[chilly brook]

No you're just assigning merit to things that simply don't mean much

[tropic tangle]

io has a heavy component of time played

assuming we're talking pugs

when you get on the higher end it's also 'do you have a regular team'

[chilly brook]

extremely heavy

[jagged pier]

there is a corrolation between streamer/unemployed and high rating

anything past 10s-11s is just a waste tho imo

[frail ibex]

I just had someone tell me mdt is only for tanks -_-

[remote anchor]

it kinda is

[urban portal]

it should take you at most 2gcds to get both ip and shield block running starting from naked

charge+avatar gives you anough for shield block, then something like demo roar+shield slam gives you enough for ip

[tardy abyss]

What I do in the big pull SV is that I charge the first pack and jump between the 2nd and 3rd pack

Otherwise you risk getting hit in the back from 2nd to third

And when you land demo shot is enough and you can chill for a while

Even in a +15

[frail ibex]

Not even close

[urban portal]

there should be no mob in that game that one shots you instantly

[frail ibex]

whats the point of making routes if people aren't gonna look at them

you would just press w

[cyan bronze]

Me when I get asked for route and I link mdt and he doesn’t have mdt

[remote anchor]

tank pulls

dps hits them

if you hit unemployment keys sure dps can get it

[frail ibex]

Skips

[cyan bronze]

Lust

[frail ibex]

idk if you are doing 13s and up you should just fucking have it

Troll to not have it

[remote anchor]

yea like i said

[frail ibex]

lets you plan cds to route too

[remote anchor]

unemployment keys

[cyan bronze]

13 is unemployment level?

[urban portal]

unemployment keys is pretty funny

and yeah i would consider 13 an unemployment level

[frail ibex]

13 is deffo not unemployment level

[remote anchor]

rewards stop at 10

[frail ibex]

Im thinking like 15s

[urban portal]

since you only need to do 10s for max rewards

[remote anchor]

so 11 is unemployment

[cyan bronze]

What

[urban portal]

nah i dont think 11 is unemploymenet

because you do 11s in case your guildies rat alt depletes it

and you still have a 10

[cyan bronze]

Doing things not for a item reward = unemployment

Typing in discord = unemployment

Let’s fucking go guys

[mighty arch]

100

[remote anchor]

need m+ deleted

[cyan bronze]

Ok I’m gonna say this very sweetly

Shut the yapper up

[urban portal]

typing in discord is definitely unemploymenet

or it could be employment

because i wanna talk about the game but im at work

[cyan bronze]

What if I’m doing 11s at work

Tho

[frail ibex]

I mean

[cyan bronze]

Is it still unemployment

[tropic tangle]

no now you're sponsored

[cyan bronze]

Okay

We’re getting somewhere

[frail ibex]

Living paycheck to paycheck is also pretty much unemployment lol

[chilly brook]

despoiler in SV on a 12 at 616 does (if you don't press button before shadow claw), ask me how I know

[frail ibex]

except now you have less time for wow

[cyan bronze]

What if I’m an relegated worker at a finance firm who hasn’t been let go yet so I’m pushing io at work

[frail ibex]

HMMMMMMMM

[tropic tangle]

sounds like you're LIVIN THE DREAM

[cyan bronze]

Cus he’s making $$$

[cyan bronze]

You’re¿

I’m a uni student with 7 dollars bro

[tropic tangle]

well, in the hypothetical the relegated finance worker was you

[cyan bronze]

That’s true

[vagrant echo]

7 dollars???

[hardy snow]

started court prog today, this boss is interesting

[jagged pier]

yer its bad

[chilly brook]

On the bright side, Kyveza is peak

[hardy snow]

yea, kyveza is great

[jagged pier]

I did not like that fight ither

[pallid quiver]

Hear me out though

even the intentional filler trash mobs can one shot you through defensives if you simply get your key level high enough

just gotta get to like a +97 or something, ezclap

[slender obsidian]

Hello, my friend is an Aug and crafted the Binding of Binding. I was wondering whether Raidbots accurately tracks the buffs provided by the ring if I tried to sim it on my Warrior

[marble cipher]

Why is this hero talent so bad...
If that was buffed, we'd at least have some more utility on intervene outside of physical things 😦

[pallid quiver]

If it was stronger, it'd be almost broken; intervene is on a low as hell CD

[marble cipher]

I can see it being annoying to "get right" indeed

but the way it is now...
I try to apply it sometimes on stuff like Break Water (Siege) or the corrupt channeling mobs in the end of Grim, but it's just not worth it

[pallid quiver]

It can end up being a lot of reduction over the course of a key. However, it won't help sometimes in actual pain points that brick keys, either, since it's not quite strong enough outside of fringe

But if it gets too strong, those are the only things that threaten people if you have a prot war, since all the other forms of damage would just be pretty much ignored since intervene's CD is so low

So they'd either have to hit intervene CD or keep it as is, realistically, or find the magic balance

which is hard, since M+ infinitely scales

[ionic yoke]

Imo in something like M+ chances are that the AoE Bolt is better

[marble cipher]

true

[pallid quiver]

So you have to decide where your breakpoint is

[marble cipher]

I hate aoe bolt, higher cd, and chance of putting stuff on DR faster

[pallid quiver]

my biggest issue with it is people absolutely refusing to stay nearby or stand in a way that if I do intervene them, I'm getting my bum slapped

[marble cipher]

first boss necrotic, intervene, and dude goes to china

ah well 🤷‍♂️

(that's after I say at start of key to stay close to boss on that ability)

[ionic yoke]

I feel like that Intervene talent is too weak to prove useful in most cases. Because like Luerce says, M+ scales infinitely

[pallid quiver]

They weren't already on Venus? Miraculous

[marble cipher]

[ionic yoke]

So in any case, having a Dr'd stun would be better to give you a chance to live than not having one.

[pallid quiver]

Ah, yes, simply letting the enemy cast because you've DR'd the stun is preferable to being able to stun them

[ionic yoke]

Just kick it

[marble sun]

you think that hero talent colossus will be viable in mm+ after the patch?

[mighty valley]

It’ll still be weaker defensively for the highest keys

But you can play it everywhere else

Fun and big numbers

[marble sun]

when you say highest keys, you think like 12 and more?

[mighty valley]

You can def play it in a 12

[pallid quiver]

unless you refuse to press buttons

then you cannot play it in a 12

[urban portal]

i wouldnt play it in a push key

but its MUCH more damage in weekly keys

[ionic yoke]

Numbers go brrrr

[marble sun]

have you a exemple for a build? 😄

[jagged gust]

the talent calculator on wowhead should have a colo build on it

[pallid quiver]

Can also peep it from the Season 1 overview page, not the talent build page

[jagged gust]

personally I go full shockwave CDR route with my talents, but those are all interchangeable anyways

[grim pilot]

think its good for COT for last boss

idk when I tanked some keys early season I was being asked if I could play colossus for cot

[supple meadow]

hey so, new prot warrior here, should I be hitting shield block every 8 seconds or just immediately when I have enough rage

Also am I gimping myself by not having weakauras? I just hate the way they clutter my screen.

[bleak delta]

You want to time it so that you minimise the potential for the buff to fall off completely, its often good to supplement it with Shield Charge, and note that the buff can stack with it

[supple meadow]

So probably every 5-6 sec then

[bleak delta]

this is purely dependant on what you want to achieve, you can get through most content in the game without weakauras.

higher end content, high end M+ , Mythic raiding and parts of heroic raiding rely on it heavily and you likely won't be able to complete the content without weakauras

[bleak delta]

thats a more fair estimate, also you're not a robot, give yourself some wiggle room 🙂

[supple meadow]

Yeah I'm a long time dps player easing my way into tanking

[bleak delta]

some weakauras such as spell reflect essentials are super valuable for warriors, as it will notify you when to use your spell reflect. This is mostly necessary especially for new warriors as you likely won't know / recognize when to use it off by heart

[supple meadow]

That's understandable

And I read on icyveins that I should usually be using demo shout off cd

[bleak delta]

absolutely , its low CD, great DR, and rage gen

rule of thumb is to pop it on each pack pull as you engage. it will make your life much easier

[supple meadow]

When should I use shield wall?

That cd is a little big

[violet ginkgo]

it's not big though? considering you got a lot of reduction

[supple meadow]

That's true

[bleak delta]

That is a primary DR and should be used when a tank buster is coming, but it can also be used to help defend against heavy magic damage, as prot warrior doesn't have heavy DR for magic damage it helps a lot, note that your spell reflect can reduce magic damage you take as well if it doesn't actually reflect anything

also this might help, i didn't make it, someone else on this discord posted it and i'd love to give them credit but i didn't take note. Its a handy opener guide but you can adjust it as you see fit

[supple meadow]

What is the dinosaur looking button by demo shout?

[bleak delta]

also yea @violet ginkgo is right, your shield wall has a lot of CDR attached to it as you use your abilities, so don't think of it as so long

[violet ginkgo]

shield slam reduce 6 secs and you keep cycling rage through anger management, I heard that ppl said the actual CD is about 50 secs to 1 min

[supple meadow]

Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions I just want to do my best lol

[round pendant]

can be as low as 40s

Use SW on cooldown unless you need to hold it for something you know is dangerous (you'll figure this out by just playing the game)

[bleak delta]

no such thing my dude, happy to help ❤️

[supple meadow]

I appreciate it lol

Do the tanking dummies help a lot?

[bleak delta]

of course

[round pendant]

Never used one

[bleak delta]

one piece of advice i can give too is that you shouldnt be afraid of using your impending victory either, top yourself up with it

[supple meadow]

Yeah 25 sec is a great thing for just 10 rage

[bleak delta]

seen a lot of logs where warriors die to rot, but never even cast IV lol don't be that guy

[round pendant]

You spend a GCD that could be spent pressing shield slam

[supple meadow]

yeah I just took all of your guys advice and I'm surviving way longer at the tanking dummy now

I appreciate you guys

[round pendant]

always rember

shield block up

[supple meadow]

and you're right about the shield wall thing, I was pressing it a lot lol

And its neat that it does stack and not just reset the uptime

[round pendant]

shield block you mean

I mean, you should be pressing it a lot

[supple meadow]

both tbh

I wasn't pressing enough buttons period lmao

[round pendant]

Press it if

1. it's about to fall off or it won't overcap the buff limit
2. you have 2 charges

[round pendant]

Common mistake with new pwar players

Always be pressin

[supple meadow]

and I'm a caster dps too I should know my abcs by now

🤣🤣

[round pendant]

but yeah maintain shield block is the #1 way to prevent yourself from dying

then just build and spend rage (don't overcap) correctly

[bleak delta]

if you ever get to a stage where you're like "huh i have nothing to press right now" you did something wrong xD

[supple meadow]

Alrighty, well I gotta make dinner and go pick the wife up. Thanks for all the great tips! I will most likely be back sooner rather than later lol.

Oh one more question, should I be using revenge to fish for slam procs if I don't have anything else to press of importance?

[pallid quiver]

Base rotation is always SS > TC > Revenge

You always want enough rage to press Revenge, since it kickstarts your whole cycle again when it attempts to stall

You should have zero empty globals as Prot War

If you ever have an empty global, you fucked up

[pallid quiver]

You should frequently use Shield Wall, since good play makes its CD around 50s or so, so closer to use in terms of most other tanks minor CDs

And for weakauras, all you really need is a way to track your CDs, Shield Block uptime, and an outburst tracker at the end game sort of deal for Prot War

Anything else is either nice to haves or preference kind of stuff

It should be noted that if you haven't looked at them, both guides on Icy Veins and Wowhead are written by our TCs, who are both quite good at the spec and provide the knowledge pretty neatly. So you can use either site to get a quick starter and reference point for anything Prot War related

[supple meadow]

Yeah I'm reading them a lot.

[jaunty wyvern]

Hey all, is there a reasonable way to get disrupting shout? I've found in pugs its really good to group mage packs when dps cant kick aha

[strong forum]

Bloodsurge o7

[untold bane]

Funny that you mention Wowhead guide because my guy stated only a fool relies on crit chance and then listed it as second best secondary

[sweet summit]

because damage 👍

[mental scarab]

And parry/dodge dodge bleeds is sick

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

i think he means u cant rely on crit on a 1 case basis i.e a boss mechanic

some are parriable

but the moment u start getting more hits against u the strong it becomes

[wicked pollen]

how is parry calculated if 15 things melee you at once

one roll for all or individually

[blazing condor]

itd make sense that its individually but idk

wow isnt tick-based right?

in that sense

[inner oracle]

Individually

DH and DK wouldn’t be able to tank otherwise 😁

[tardy abyss]

Can only be individually because it's a %-chance

If ticks were involved it would be pretty awful and incorrect

[weak cedar]

are there any WAs for the important things to reflect in m+? i found one but its just warning me on every single bolt spell

[untold bane]

You can turn off/on the notifications you want in TWW Spell Reflect Essentials

[weak cedar]

just wondering if there's a version where someone with experience went through the list and only kept the important things to reflect

or if you guys use it for every bolt

[untold bane]

I only turned it off for Kyveza's Rift

Though there are some other AoEs which trigger false positives for sure like the Thrashers in Mists

It's a shame Tough as Nails is exclusive with Spell Block

Is there any viable physical-only dungeon? Would love to run it

[marble cipher]

The thrashers in mists is cause you can spell reflect their ground clutter that they spawn. You don't get the slow from it and (probably?) don't get the dmg from walking through it.
I removed some of the frontal line stuff (dawnbreaker, grim) since I don't think you reflect that, and besides, it's a frontal, better move out

[inner oracle]

You got 1 or 2 very important reflect to track on average per key, I think it’s better for you to identify them to adapt the tracking yourself so that you’ll know when it can happen. Because you won’t have SR for every single one of them 😉

[sweet summit]

a lot of them also require you to use reflect before the first cast starts to guarantee reflecting the second cast if the mob is still alive (shadow claw and anima slash for example. maybe even shadowflame slash but you can stun these)

so relying on the weak aura is not a great idea, but i suppose it's fine as training wheels

[untold bane]

Wdym, those spells do two ticks of dmg?

[sweet summit]

the cooldown of the mob cast is shorter than the cooldown of spell reflect

that was poorly worded by me, sorry

[sweet summit]

was i more clear after this edit? @untold bane

[zinc lion]

Hypotethically if I were to learn prot warrior (mind you i havent tanked ever) how much time does it take to pick it up ?

[untold bane]

Yeyeye. Though that method of casting requires them to die within a time frame, otherwise spell reflect will desync and eventually they'll hit right?

[sweet summit]

yeah, luckily we have insane tools like shield wall and spell block to help with the hits we can't reflect

[sweet summit]

depends on how much game knowledge you have and how fast you learn as an individual. a couple days to learn the spec and a week maybe to learn the dungeons from tank pov (where to use cooldowns and what/how much to pull etc)
(i am pulling these numbers out of my ass i really have no idea)

[tardy abyss]

Depends how high you wanna go

You can easily learn how to tank 10s in a week Id say

The higher you go the more knowledge you need to have which you also only get by playing them

[strange lintel]

hey quick question in mist. can you still pull the right side pack after the first boss to make it a big pull?

ive tried before and it wont let me but maybe theres a special angle?

with a warrior skill i mean like ravager or spear

ik pet classes can do it

[sweet summit]

warriors can't afaik

[strange lintel]

kay was getting yelled at by some random guy that said i could and im just R word lol

[sweet summit]

that's not very cool

[strange lintel]

meh people are people in pugs. at least i know i was right

[tardy abyss]

Heroic throw doesnt have enough range unfortunately

[lone wren]

i have the neck but it comes with speed. is the ring worth it? shoulders i ahve non tier crist/haste

rings i have normla queen and 619 crafted crit/haste

[tropic tangle]

you can farm a better ring from M+, there's no shot you take that on LFR/Norm quality

if these are your only options I'm taking socket

[true thistle]

I assume the colossus buffs does nothing to us on thane vs colossus in M+?

[fleet flicker]

hell no kekw

[true thistle]

Yeah that’s what I thought. Love hitting demolish but yeah.

[unkempt hazel]

yo is the new meta in

[compact palm]

[unkempt hazel]

[wicked pollen]

weirdo

[fallow hinge]

Has swarmlords authority always been good or did it recently get buffed? feels like I see more prot warriors using it

[tardy abyss]

People just copy top rio warriors for no reason, its not good

If youre about to die that trinket will not keep you alive in 99 out of 100 cases

[vital pollen]

Anyone else struggle with running prot vs fury loot in their chest?

[wicked pollen]

no

i loot arms

[little ermine]

nope, it's quite clear what to do once you have the following :
good shield
good one handed weapon

[vital pollen]

Err, what if you have a good shield, a bad one-hander, and bad trinkets?

Sorry context is M+, i.e. dps trinkets

[mighty valley]

Craft a one-hander and loot as arms I guess

[oblique oxide]

Wait, so you're saying prot warriors should set loot spec to arms before opening the vault?

[violet ginkgo]

Yes, surely you have no problem with it right?

[vital pollen]

honest question, why arms instead of fury?

Does fury have like a higher chance of 2h weapons?

[violet ginkgo]

no, you want to clean up your vault, if you are fury then you are adding 1h to the vault loot

[dusky canopy]

Arms cant loot one handers

[violet ginkgo]

if arms then you won't get 1h loot which sometimes make your loot much clearer, unless you need 1h weapon

[jagged pier]

No lower than arms cause it can get 1handers too

U go arns after shield because smallest loot pool so more likely to get the best trinkets

[violet ginkgo]

Jakey if you already craft 636 1hand weapon will you still open as fury to seek 1h or just whatever 3 ilvl not much difference and just open as arms?

[jagged pier]

3 ilvls is still yuge, but also sikran is an easy pug

So just go kill sikran

[wicked pollen]

if you kill sikran you can also get tertiaries

🙂

[chrome sapphire]

Honestly a really great resource. Thank you.

[tardy abyss]

Has anyone here thought about the dungeon pool in S2 and if pwar will be decent?

Ignoring the fact we dont know our set bonus ofc

[violet ginkgo]

the scary thing is in the darkflame cleft or something? imagine when you pushing cart you have to get a candle then the mob 1 shot you out of nowhere

as dps of course, tank you can just stay on cart

[tardy abyss]

That dungeon will be fun to pug

[marble sundial]

good problem?

[sharp gale]

I don’t think it would be an issue, the tank should pull anyway trashs as a general rule so 🤷‍♂️

[lone wren]

100 pervccent dps says that geting candel is healer job and then the flame the healer for nto helaign them while getting candle...

[lone wren]

i did on the main one only CoT this season a 7 ++ on first week. have not done it since. the chart one will be the same

[tardy abyss]

[sharp gale]

Trashs infinite respawn in carts room ?

Because the first key I will do in that dungeon, I will pull the whole room myself to clear for dps searching candles

[valid bridge]

This thing any good?

Isn't mentioned in the wowhead guide

[cyan sage]

hey guys is the ceaseless swarmgland trinket trash ?

[sweet summit]

not good enough to appear in the guide

[sweet summit]

it's the best defensive trinket available at a reasonable item level

[tropic tangle]

ey, we eating good today from a single vault slot

damn, also got Skarm Shard on my fdk, big vault day

[quiet monolith]

mythic sacbrood or

im wearing tier gloves

[tropic tangle]

avoidance is the least useful tert for prot

[quiet monolith]

oh, damn ok.

so prob just get the myth sacbrood

[tropic tangle]

that's what I'd pick

[turbid hemlock]

Should we play colossus now for m+´?

[woven radish]

I do a lot for the funzies now that i overgear vault keys. Big pump demolish and high crit feels so good

[vagrant echo]

Definitely myth sac

[pallid hare]

is there a reason Foul Behemoth's Chelicera and Sikran's Endless Arsenal sim super high and they are almost never used by top-folks
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcA99iZKVdLzeFqWoLwApQ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qENqND86RJgvD4K5Ksd1vX

[vagrant echo]

Better trinkets available, sikran’s is good if you can get a higher ilvl of it

Like mythic vault or something

If you’re going high keys, swarmlords and sac are just too good and you need 18k haste

I personally don’t like behemoth

[flint tiger]

Do you guys go for mythic ilvl helm/belt or mythic sacbrood?

for context, I have heroic sacbrood

[vagrant echo]

Craft belt

Trinkets >helm

IMO

[balmy oasis]

Anyone ever use Disrupting shout for any dungeons? Thunderlord is a big talent, but in some dungeons it may be worth it like GB?

[mighty valley]

i'm not a fan, most of the time it's just an additional kick on a 2min cooldown

[pallid hare]

All these options are on the mythic track so I was just surprised they are simming higher than a mythic shard or sacbrood

[mighty valley]

you're simming 6/6 hero sacbrood in these links

[jagged pier]

Thats why u drop bloodsurge for it if u want it

Not TLs

[balmy oasis]

ahhh i see!

[balmy oasis]

Any recommendations for dungeons to use it in?

[tropic tangle]

trinkets are specific - you take myth sac. any myth helm can be catalysed for tier

and belt is one of the better slots to craft at 636 for embel

[flint tiger]

that's what i figured, thanks all!

[jagged pier]

0 its a bad talent imo

[placid raft]

With the Next changes for proc colossus, how much is the difference with thane now?

For m+

[idle copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=56449/thronguss-finger just had this drop in GB, not seen it drop before (newly added??) is it any good for prot warrior? EDIT: its giving me +13% dodge on proc - seems kinda meh?

[placid raft]

I know it's also for arms but since it's a Buff for survival i Focus on the proc one

[cyan bronze]

@jagged pier Do you know if anyone here’s done preliminary onyx annulet the second sims yet

Know a few specs have

[vagrant echo]

Unpredictable avoidance isn’t good

[naive plaza]

hey guys is there a weak aura or plater profile that shows me what can be spell reflected or blocked?

[remote anchor]

check pins

[true cliff]

Howdy, are the buffs to colossus enough to maybe use it more than MT?

[tardy abyss]

No

Colossus needs a rework to be viable for harder content

[true cliff]

Hell yeah, thanks for the quick response.

I was hyped for a second that it could be viable.

[tardy abyss]

If youre only running +12 or whatever colossus is nice for the extra damage

[mighty valley]

i mean, what level of keys are you doing? given that it's possible to clear 18s, you can kinda play what you want in anything up to like 12 tbh

[tardy abyss]

nome plays Colossus in 12s iirc

[true cliff]

I’m using it for brood in mythic and it’s a blast to play.

[tardy abyss]

I should have played it in mythic brood too

For some reason I didnt think about it lmao

But I think I ended the fight with 1.3M anyway or so

Yeah almost exactly 1.3M

Would have been 1.6M or so with colossus instead

[true cliff]

It’s my first time using it honestly, I’ve pretty just used MT all xpac

[mighty valley]

i just started off playing colossus until things started feeling threatening

i go back all the time for farm keys etc

[tardy abyss]

I should do it for boosts too

Demolish is so fun to press

Well, as prot prob less than as arms but still

[true cliff]

It really is super fun to press

[cyan bronze]

I have been told

That tank trinket dmg reduction applies to ring

https://tenor.com/view/papo-dez-violin-música-emoji-gif-15367358

[wicked pollen]

diva

how often do you get oneshot after using chains when pulling like 10-15 mobs

[cyan bronze]

Chains?

as in sigil of chains?

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[cyan bronze]

You chains away from yourself

And desync the melees carefully

[idle copper]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
follow the instructions in the images to have it say reflect as well

[cyan bronze]

Fun thing, go look at top logs of vdh s3 s4

[wicked pollen]

is it because of how parry is calculated

[cyan bronze]

Almost all deaths/cheats were caused by them fucking up SoC

[cyan bronze]

It’s just a really fatty melee sync

Can’t heal it off

And backshots if you chains directly onto yourself

[wicked pollen]

i was talking to my tank friend and he said that it was something to do with

if you fail a parry on one

[cyan bronze]

Idk what he’s yapping about

That isn’t true xd

[wicked pollen]

it counts for every thing meleeing you

[cyan bronze]

Unless I’m mistaken

But parry would be useless if that was the case

[wicked pollen]

let me check wiki on parry

[cyan bronze]

It’s just a fat melee sync

And you can’t heal it off

Vdh and bdk like to heal off the damage they take

Also I generally don’t run chains this tier; hard to take unless you either troll your build or play aldrachi

[wicked pollen]

unless this is only for classic

i think its both the melee sync

and this

[cyan bronze]

That’s backshots; yes

If you chains behind or ontop of you you’re giga

If you chains right in front of you you’re probably

If you chains out of melee range

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-19354605

[wicked pollen]

yeah

bring back vdh meta

i need to have my tanks have 40 seconds of hard cc on a pack!

[cyan bronze]

Fwiw vdh was also just tankier and did more damage than other tanks

Think brm did more dmg s3, idk s4, maybe pwar? and idk if anyone was tankier

[wicked pollen]

i think it was doing more damage and the cc

[cyan bronze]

Yah it was just giga good on all fronts besides group util

There was a period in early s3 where people thought it was going to be ppal+havoc(havoc was giga broken for first few weeks), as ppal brought enough of cc and a lot of nice group util

Believe the comp was like, ppal havoc fire aug and some healer

[wicked pollen]

no clue

i only got good late s3

[cyan bronze]

Rework or making thane unplayable in comparison

I’ll give you an example

[tardy abyss]

[cyan bronze]

Colossus: Mountain of Muscle and Scars now reduces damage taken by 50% (was 5%).
Colossus: Dominance of the Colossus now causes enemies damaged by Demolish to deal up to 50% less damage to you (was 10%)

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[ionic fern]

[wicked pollen]

45s giga dam and dr

[cyan bronze]

Did I cook

[wicked pollen]

i like that

🙂

no

[cyan bronze]

I think I cooked

[wicked pollen]

you would be the worst game designer if you implemented that

[cyan bronze]

But people would play colossus

[wicked pollen]

yeah

but you would need to be hung

[cyan bronze]

a worthwhile sacrifice me thinks

[wicked pollen]

bad designer

[cyan bronze]

DEMOLISH

REVENGE

RAH

[wicked pollen]

i think what could be added

punish affects tc and revenge

boom

[cyan bronze]

Have you done preliminary sims for the new ring

[wicked pollen]

🙂

diva hows that cook

[cyan bronze]

Which

[wicked pollen]

.

[cyan bronze]

I like it

Very broken

[wicked pollen]

and give it a slightly bigger modifier for revenge

[cyan bronze]

Not great for colossus tho, no?

[wicked pollen]

why wouldnt it

[cyan bronze]

no unstoppable force on colossus means thane would still likely have higher avg stacks

from avatar uptime dif+ cdr on tc

[wicked pollen]

wtf is uf

i dont know the prot talent names

[cyan bronze]

50% cdr on tc during avatar

Might of used wrong name tbh

[wicked pollen]

no rhat sounds right

[ionic fern]

I honestly got no clue what you're talking about.

[cyan bronze]

Onyx annulet 2.0

[wicked pollen]

the ring from the new island

[cyan bronze]

11.0.7

[ionic fern]

Pass.

[wicked pollen]

[cyan bronze]

Figured

Do you have the bis profile offhand/is it saved somewhere accessible

I might sim it later if I have free time

[ionic fern]

It's in SIMC.

[cyan bronze]

Ty

[ionic fern]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/profiles/TWW1/TWW1_Warrior_Protection.simc

[cyan bronze]

Appreciate!

🤍

[lone wren]

anything worth for us in brd hc? i have 80 keys to use

[wicked pollen]

not really i think

[cyan bronze]

I think the mh simmed okay for me compared to another 626 mh

[wicked pollen]

i just equip all my haste gear and ilvl

for prot

🙂

[cyan bronze]

Heart of roccor looked okay but I never simmed it

[lone wren]

iw as going crit haste on all

[cyan bronze]

None of it’s over budget enough to replace a myth piece

Iirc

[lone wren]

no no is an alt he only has hc pieces

0 myth gear/content

[wicked pollen]

your best bet will prob be droptimizer

[lone wren]

a ok i ll run that but it only says dps

not resiliance

or we are resilient enough we care onyl about dps?

[naive plaza]

yee

cuz like "resilience" is just gunna be from stam which is just Ilvl

[lone wren]

ok then helo mr raidbot

[cyan bronze]

Pretty much

Until very high keys

And none of the brd trinkets/gear is good enough

[lone wren]

is for example not neded

[cyan bronze]

Trinkets also lowkey

Ass

Just worse than swarmlords to my knowledge

[lone wren]

i use mad queen/sikran 619 and also have princess 619 but i do nto enjoy the mini game

[wicked pollen]

you can always predict where the things go

its a really strong trinket

[cyan bronze]

Always front right of you

[wicked pollen]

and to the right

[lone wren]

ok sad 0 upgrades from brd hc...

[wicked pollen]

you got crests at least

[lone wren]

o yeah best way to get gilded, now wait a few weeks for achivment with main to use them

[wicked pollen]

gilded farm is +10 mists ara db

same with weekly 10

0 thought

[lone wren]

mists as a healer is chill

mist as a tnak not that much

[wicked pollen]

as tank or prot warrior

[lone wren]

not sure if gogin to use the tnak in keys elarning the pacing is so boring

as healer i ahd too many tanks that neded ehalign cds on them to survive centaur packs

and others that just died to them even with slt...

[wicked pollen]

prot warrior makes it a lot easier bc reflect

[lone wren]

also all those peopel htat did nto interupt paty cake

i gues the dead oens wehre dh and bdk

[cyan bronze]

Always front right of you

:p

[twin kite]

Should I be using thunderous roar or spear? 626 Ilvl pushing 12 keys

[cyan bronze]

Spearge

[wicked pollen]

oops

[jagged pier]

thats dependent on your crit

or

which ever one u like best

[mystic radish]

Am I supposed to have more vers? +12 hitting pretty hard imo. (Flask was on Haste with minus master and crit)

[jagged pier]

no

stats after haste do very little

[mystic radish]

Oh ok. Thought maybe need more vers 😄 but then I ll just keep simming

what about ITF build? Wowhead and archon not mention those (I guess) are those nice? 😄

[proven plume]

are any myth trinkets going to be better than heroic sacbrood or swarmlords outside of myth versions of thoses

[round wolf]

Ive heard people saying to open Vault as Fury if you don't need a sheild for Prot is this true ?

[naive panther]

wow demolish not going off cause mob dies so no spread, or cause mob leaps away, yet you can't recast demolish.

[ionic fern]

Yes, this allows you to get the DPS trinkets.

[fossil spade]

Was speaking with my gm yesterday about mythic queen and the silken tomb. Just want to confirm if the root is avoided with spell reflect or not

[mortal pecan]

Did not know this. Thanks.

[mortal pecan]

The wow head guide has sacbrood and the meat hook as bis. Is swarmlords new bis?

[proven plume]

for defensive purposes only swarmlords is one of the best

[mortal pecan]

NM. That's the raid. I'm looking at m+ only

[shut summit]

yes it's avoided

[fossil spade]

Tyty

[bold portal]

Early on in the expansion I saw a lot of prot warriors building haste/crit without much research I started crafting all my stuff as Haste/Crit, now I'm seeing Haste/Vers - Would swapping my 10k~ crit for Vers show a big improvement survivability or damage?

[marble sun]

no shield but maybe 2handed weapon instead would be worse no?

[jagged gust]

[bold portal]

Yeah sims should show how higher perry vs Versa would affect my survivability. good call thanks!

[lofty warren]

How much worse is colassas on m+ now as far as survive goes?

[jagged gust]

it's negligible either way

[trim wind]

Fury is one handed loot. Arms is two handed

[cyan bronze]

They won’t, but I can

Vaguely, you will take less from melee hits and more from magic/non parryable hits with high crit

And more from melee hits and less from magic/non parryable hits

It’s negligible ftmp, and likely you aren’t doing high enough keys for it to really matter enough; so just simply sim for dmg, hence:

[tardy abyss]

Even in higher keys it doesnt matter tbh

Either something oneshots you or or it doesnt

But most damage is physical from melee hits anyway

[cyan bronze]

Yeah there’s probably some hyper niche circumstance someone would come back with

Where on a 21 they live with shield wall with x amount of vers and die without it

[carmine solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

Save it for later 😄

[jagged gust]

bro I had no idea I could favorite gifs

godsend

[carmine solstice]

🙂

[heavy sparrow]

this trinket any good? lmao

[jagged pier]

no

[smoky anvil]

Complete and utter cheeks

[blazing condor]

how is this emote still alive in this server

4 years too old

[wicked pollen]

wtf is that

[blazing condor]

its literally trash

[wicked pollen]

no shit

[blazing condor]

aka bladedancers armor kit

[wicked pollen]

wtf is that

[blazing condor]

a trash trinket

from shadowlands

[native ember]

wait am i supposed to be building haste vers instead of haste crit ?!?

[wicked pollen]

oh

cool

[long kayak]

haste/vers

[wicked pollen]

nope

haste > doesnt matter

pick one of 2 and move on

[native ember]

ty

[muted portal]

hey all I have an Augment Evoker and a Prot Warrior, what do you think will be more likely to get invited to a pug?

[native ember]

imo both but tanks are always in need

[jagged gust]

High keys either are fantastic, low keys aug is such a trap

[pale berry]

So I got these two in vault today. I know both are good but which one to actually choose?

BiS Neck or BiS Cloak

[pallid quiver]

Prot War more likely, but Aug is the most desired DPS by pugs last I checked, so if you want to DPS, aug it is

even though most groups don't benefit from their augs at all

[jagged gust]

1 dead DPS, the other fighting for 2nd on the meters with me

At least I get to pump with all those auggie buffs now

[cyan bronze]

Crit is slightly more damage

Vers is slightly better for having versatility

Crit is slightly better for having crit

[violet ginkgo]

Neck I think. Cause that help your healers too returning some mana.

[edgy bone]

how is this good at 1.1% of my overall

looks like trash

[west turtle]

has anyone used Throngus's Finger? I've never used it or even seen it drop, it's not even on the tier list, 12k dodge with a 33% uptime? How much % dodge is 12k?

[mighty valley]

It's not very good, randomized evasion just isn't that helpful to us

[cyan bronze]

It’s an okge amount

It’s helping to proc ring more often

Does tb dmg have nature under it

It does

[ionic yoke]

Cloak

[jagged gust]

nah

[ionic yoke]

[waxen quarry]

wdym

its peak

[carmine solstice]

Bro that’s not throngus’s finger 👀👀

[timid nacelle]

Hey guys, so I got 90 crests wondering if I should craft main hand which is an upgrade from 626, or upgrade already gotten myth track pieces, belt and bracers namely

[jagged gust]

belt/bracers are some of the worst crest investment due to their inherit low stat budget, but you're also spending twice as many crests for the ilvl you'd receive.

Sounds like a lesser of 2 evils scenario to me

[narrow karma]

Any impactful professions for us other than Alch for the flask duration?

[mighty valley]

nah professions barely matter these days

well obviously crafting does, but in terms of personal power

[lofty warren]

Tell me how much worse defensively is colassases in m+ and how much more dps it does

I'll take 1% less tankiness for 15% dps

[pallid quiver]

It's hard to put into a direct number, because tankiness depends entirely on damage profiles.

The big weakness with Colossus is that, due to the lower rage economy, it has a notably lesser amount of cycling on your big defensive CD, shield wall.

So it drastically messes with your CD rotation due to its availability being shifted around. Whether that matters a lot or not depends on dungeon, boss, pull size, key level, etc

Same reason there's no simming for tankiness

[lofty warren]

Hmm. Okay well how much damage does it do in aoe?

And really the tankieness question is "how much less rage does colassass make vs the other?"

[pallid quiver]

I'd want to spitball like 10% more on average? I haven't really kept up on the specific differences

You can probably check Nome's logs and compare between his Thane logs and Colossus logs

[lofty warren]

Is that how much damage he do or the rage be make?

[mighty valley]

If you want numbers you’re gonna have to learn to do your own log research bud

Too many factors for there to be an easy answer

Or just play colossus and see how it feels

[pallid quiver]

You can find both in logs; you can check resources -> rage to check rage gain, and damage under damage done

[cyan bronze]

It’s a weird function

The more rage you have to dump on colossus into IP

the tankier thane is by comparison

And the dmg gap closes

Its really bursty

I mean play colossus in a high key

You can feel it

[cyan bronze]

Are you sure it’s that little?

Honestly just doing keys thane vs colossus back to back it feels more like 20-30%, but I could be capping

[pallid quiver]

Like I said, complete spitball

I am not confident at all it's accurate

I recall seeing someone post a 1.2 mil, then a 1.4m or something

[lavish solstice]

how much haste should i have?

is 20k too much?

[pallid quiver]

I haven't bothered to super check differences since it depends on dungeon/pulling/etc

[pallid quiver]

Can't hit any relevant caps this season if you try

So feel comfy pumping haste

[lavish solstice]

k

thx

[sullen gust]

Is the colossus buff actually worthwhile? My assumption is probably not but maybe better players than me have figured something I havnt considered

[mighty valley]

Play colossus if you think it’s fun and you’ll have some new %dr you didn’t have before

But no it’s not gonna become the default pick for the hardest stuff in the game

[woven venture]

I been goofing around in some 10s as colossus.

It generates less rage, has better on demand damage with demolish, but the overall damage isn't much higher than thane for me.

[mighty valley]

You gotta revenge way more if you wanna see the big numbers

[wintry anvil]

Any tips for surviving Kyveza's void shredders?

on mythic

killing me through shield wall

[pallid quiver]

You should also have other CDs to press; Reflect should be up for every instance, and iirc every instance you have to take is a minute apart, so you should be able to shield wall every one. From there, you can also rotate in Spell Block, as it works on the dot left over from it which trucks real good, and you can also support yourself with LS+IV or just IV

[wintry anvil]

❤️

[pallid quiver]

If you really need to, you can slightly delay demo shout to overlay another defensive, as well. And after all that, there's always externals, since that's one of the best points to call for a single target external there due to it being one if the largest sources of damage on the fight coming in to a single target, though it's preferable if you don't

Could save a DPS' life with one of those if things get rocky

[torpid granite]

so i got the legion artifact appearnce on a trial toon but it wont transfer over to my main warrior

nvm i got it

[coral inlet]

yoo does synergistic brewtializer drop for us at prot?

[alpine edge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7jMR9rP3P86rqHkVTiz3p3 trink or boots, dungeon slice sims trink 1% more, boots add more tankiness tho but this trink is bis if i ever fury or arm as well?

[pallid quiver]

For starters, dungeon sim doesn't work for prot war

It isn't maintained at all for the spec

[oak ivy]

fuck me i hate kyveza

[surreal bluff]

do we prefer crit or vers? seeing quite a few in town with vers

[jagged gust]

I just had vers/mastery sim the best, it's a crazy world out there

[pallid quiver]

Most of those people are grabbing it because "VERS TANKY ME TANK ME WAN TANK"

Ultimately, they're close enough that it doesn't really matter, especially compared to ilvl

[ionic fern]

A healthy mix of both is the answer to majority of situations.

[pallid quiver]

Which would be better defensively depends on damage profiles coming in

Both are nice for damage, and you also don't need any amount of secondaries as a tank to live due to us having an actual defensive kit instead of just CDs, so generally we recommend simming for damage, but it really doesn't matter that much

Pressing your buttons will bring your further than any amount of micro-stat adjustments would

[ionic fern]

(join the crit gang tho).

[pallid quiver]

big number funny

[cyan bronze]

Oh I thought you meant rage dif

Myb

[unborn island]

What's the meta with highest level vault slots when you need the ilvl on everything? Loot as prot with the chance to get shit trinkets, or loot as fury and maybe get a 2 hander which I won't use...?

[sharp gale]

the meta for vault for me now is getting harbringer achiev

[ionic fern]

I actually got no clue..

[ionic fern]

If you need a shield,loot as prot. Otherwise,loot as Fury.

[heavy sparrow]

tanking mythic sikran if anyone wants to join in

general live stream

[unborn sable]

is a Myth Mercurial Egg good? or do i just take myth Rasha'nan neck xd

[unborn island]

Prot it is...let's cross those fingers.

[chilly brook]

Sheeeeeeesh

ez 12 man

@ionic fern did my first 12 at 621

[heavy sparrow]

what is better?

Sikran's Endless Arsenal or Skyterror's Corrosive Organ?

[jagged pier]

IMPOSSIBLE u need at least 400ilvl and bsv

[chilly brook]

That Feral was pumpin man

[jagged pier]

[lean bramble]

Sup Vers/haste or crit/haste which one better?
Crit for more DMG Vers for more Defense?

[lean bramble]

Sikran is more fun.

[jagged pier]

no just preference

secondary stats after haste do next to nothing

[chilly brook]

Crit=chad

Vers=beta

(jk it doesn't matter)

[lean bramble]

Imagine Cata reforge system return everyone got theirBIS stat.

[chilly brook]

Just be a sigma and equip ilvl and don't care and go for haste where you can

[lean bramble]

Ty I will go Haste/crit I love big numbers.

[violet ginkgo]

I thought sigma is haste mastery

[sharp gale]

that's sigma ?

[waxen quarry]

hoooly feral??

i thought they removed it

[chilly brook]

they just got a buff with reset today but nothing insane, guy is just a chad

[strong forum]

Corrosive apparently Sims higher these days

[cedar rune]

just got enough crests to craft either a 636 wep or 636 shield.. have 619 of each right now.. which do I go with?

[naive panther]

shield

[cedar rune]

yeahhh??

what's your thinking with that?

[chilly brook]

shield is the most important item for prot

[cedar rune]

ahh, easy enough, badasssss! thank you!

[violet ginkgo]

I just miss some passive trinkets. Blizz gives us a lot of on use trinket on this raid, I need some lazy passive one.

[heavy sparrow]

these 2 maxed out trinkets is what I currently have. and this Mythic Sikran Trinket is what I retrieved

[chilly brook]

Just loot sac

[violet ginkgo]

I got myth sac but the thing is why most of the raid trinket this season is just on use

where is things like augury when you can just chill or anvil (yes anvil on use but after 5 stack you can just chill)

oh I forgot the signet brand too

[jagged pier]

[heavy sparrow]

which of these 3 trinkets should I use only 2?

[heavy sparrow]

this

[sharp gale]

so close* (bad screen sry)

next season hopefully i will not dps in guild raid so i can gear as prot lel

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier so my next best craft for arms is another ring or boots, should I instead craft a shield

[buoyant ermine]

Question after seeing the hot fixes - and sorry ifg this was asked was not able to see, do we suspect it will do anything thane's dominance? (m+ specificly?)

[chilly brook]

Short answer no

[buoyant ermine]

Long answer Noooooooo?

[round pendant]

what hotfix

[buoyant ermine]

Colosus got some buffs,

[round pendant]

what the fuck

frost getting buffed AGAIN?

[sharp gale]

just that

[round pendant]

ah that

Thought it was something new

[violet ginkgo]

nothing new but I mean not bad 2.5% DR and 7.5% DR with demolish debuff active.

[violet ginkgo]

no long answer, short answer is all you need to know.

[jagged pier]

up to u

[chilly brook]

I kinda think I do, I’d like to push some score

12s are nice

[jagged pier]

your choice u know how i stand on pushing score

[chilly brook]

I actually really enjoy m+ this season

12s and above just being the dungeon but harder and no affixes is nice

Unfortunately the whole experience around doing those keys pull it down

[sweet summit]

would be a lot cooler if the dungeons didn't stink!!!!!

[jagged pier]

^^

they gunna be worse next season too imo

funny they banned a load of key ditchers tho

thats nice

[sharp gale]

i doubt it will be worse than this one

[sweet summit]

cluegi

[chilly brook]

I mean imo the only dungeons that stink this season are like CoT and Siege

DB is a cool dungeon but it’s buggy af

[sharp gale]

sorry i did mist too much in SL, it stinks too for me

[chilly brook]

Everything else I’m chill with

[sweet summit]

yeah grim batol is so good you need to exploit and dawnbreaker is always functioning as intended and necrotic wake really owns for sure

i woke up on the wrong foot today it is what it is

[chilly brook]

Wdym exploit?

Are you talking about the dragon boss?

[sweet summit]

idk if it counts as an exploit but yea

[chilly brook]

Eh

Not really an exploit

But yeah it’s a shit boss

[sharp gale]

a season people kinda "love" NW, just because it's less bad than the others

it's like we fall in love with ToP next season, it means the other dungeons REALLY stinks

[jagged pier]

why would i do that

i hated it in SLs

ill hate it again

[sharp gale]

by lowering your standards like with NW

[jagged pier]

i still hate NW

havent even done it on a 10

0 need to

[chilly brook]

Because you can just reflect the last boss to death

[sharp gale]

i don't like NW too, but personnally i think it's maybe the best dungeon of this season (reason why i don't push)

[chilly brook]

Personally I like Nw

[sharp gale]

return on silken

you deserve to be in red group

[chilly brook]

What does that even mean

[sharp gale]

blue team on silken = giga chads

[crude flame]

Hey guys, How can I know when to change one item for another? Usually the answer is "sim it" but as a Tank as much as I want to do DPS, I want to have the gear that maximizes my survival, now, for example, I have to choose two rings from this three.

I chose the first two ones because thaths the maximum haste + crit stat budget I can get

but I'm not actually sure if 3k vers + 2k crit is better than 4k crit + 1.5k vers, for example, since there are diminishing returns and all of that

[wild chasm]

Don't care about Diminishing returns. You want to have as much haste as possible and then vers/crit is just a preference. Try to get another ring with haste, since you have a hero ring you can try to farm Necrotic for Stitchflesh's ring for example

[pallid quiver]

All the secondaries are close enough defensively that you really don't care as long as it has stats

[crude flame]

Okay, I'll try to farm Necrotic ring

[pallid quiver]

They're massively outclassed by Str in terms of survival, even haste.

After that, it also then depends on damage profiles in instances and encounters too much for it to matter, especially considering the miniscule gain in survival compared to the entire defensive kit you have as a tank

[crude flame]

but let's say I have 10 different rings that all have haste + another stat, what should be the criteria to choose from them? My current criteria is the max amount if Haste + Crit, followed by the max amount of Haste + Vers

and trying to have no items or very low of mastery

[pallid quiver]

just pick one at literal random if they're same ilvl

Because mastery is a good defensive stat

The biggest reason it's lowest prio is because it's our worst offensive stat in comparison to the other stats, depending on how much stat you have

[wild chasm]

Vers just smooths out the damage you take, while crit offers you a bit more damage and could be better in physical heavy dungeons

So as I said it's a personal preference

[pallid quiver]

Crit blocks are extremely powerful, so mastery is a good defensive stat. Crit entirely negates hits, and vers just passively makes you take less damage.

Of the three non-haste, Crit and Mastery have the most potential to "save your life", but you don't gamble on that when you can just use your defensives better

[wild chasm]

I tend to choose vers just because I want to be sturdier in case I am an asleep little noob today

[pallid quiver]

Hence why we generally recommending simming for DPS; you'll get the survival stats you need, since they're all good, and you'll optimize your DPS while you're at it

[jagged pier]

i mean vers will do nothing for u there

if its palcebo effect tho

then

[wild chasm]

I mean having 10% more vers than not, won't have an effect on getting 10 hits from a whole pack without block up or a defensive?

[jagged pier]

that 5% DR

[pallid quiver]

no, because that's 5% DR then; you get half as much value

[jagged pier]

will literally do nothin

and crit will be more value in that instance

as parries will ahppen

[pallid quiver]

You get a bigger buff from picking into the flames than that

[jagged pier]

and stop some of those hits

[pallid quiver]

You also have to consider the opportunity cost of how much rating it takes to get those percent compared to Crit

[wild chasm]

Yeah but if every hit is 1.5m, you get 10 hits which is 15m, that'd be about almost a million less :<

[pallid quiver]

And I think mastery, as well; iirc that increases faster than vers

[jagged pier]

sure but if u parry one of thos

because of crit

that 1.5mil stopped

[wild chasm]

I mean yeah, but still parry is rng

[jagged pier]

and if u are being hit by 10 and u ahve 20% your likely to stop 2 hits

not 1

[pallid quiver]

Also, it'd be 750k shaved off, not 1m, with 10% vers due to 5% DR

[jagged pier]

its rng in an instance of 1 mob

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't matter for RNG over enough sample sizes

[jagged pier]

the more u get the more u likely it is u will parry

[crude flame]

okay, so in the end the answer is "sim it" like any other dps! Okay, gotcha, that's easy

[pallid quiver]

You're ultimately arguing a coin-flip isn't a 50/50 because it landed on heads, so it's 100% chance for heads

[wild chasm]

Okay but then still comes things like freaking dots that we can't stop (Boralus I'm looking at you)

Parry won't help you with dots

[jagged pier]

sure but if u parry your IP dont mitigate the melee

but does mitigate the dot more

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the only time it'd actually "matter" is if there's literally no physical damage

But like, the single largest majority of our defensive power and DR comes from our entire kit made around mitigating things

So even if you had suboptimal stats, you'd be fine just going for damage

People like to rag on Blizz for balance, but if they put in encounters like that, they do, in fact, design around these things.

That's also why they don't really have encounters like that because pita cba

[crude flame]

well, RNG is not really RNG tho (mathematically). Specially when we're talking in values over 20%, if you're taking 10 hits, yes, you can have the bad rng of not parrying any, but in the instance the amount of hits you'll parry will be very close to that 20 %

[jagged pier]

^^

[pallid quiver]

Especially in the course of M+, where we take literally hundreds of melees sometimes

You've got a real big sample size

[jagged pier]

if having more vers makes u happy and makes u play better thorugh your preseved notion of its tankier then run it

but its not 'tankier'

[pallid quiver]

If it is, it's due to the damage profile of the encounter/instance, which you just can't control and would be insane to min-max over

[ionic fern]

Just parry the bleed/dot attack.

[jagged pier]

u gotta spin quick tho

[pallid quiver]

Mwahi comes down with the gospel truth

[jagged pier]

well sometimes

but yer u can parry stuff like that, parying searing blow stacks in RLP

GIGA

[pallid quiver]

I could've swore I remembered hearing them hotfix that, but I feel like I'm just delusional and fake news'ing it

[ionic fern]

Also remember that vers is heavier on rating than other stats.

[pallid quiver]

I brought that up but was ignored qq

[ionic fern]

That's because you're a brown name.

[bleak breach]

Racists

[pallid quiver]

And I'll forever be a brown name, because otherwise I would be obligated to not block someone when I see them saying something whack and out of pocket

[ionic fern]

I swear,when I went from brown to yellow stating the same things people argued with me way less. When I went from yellow to orange stating the same things,people almost never argued with me. when I decided to switch from orange to blue,people started arguing with me again like there's no tomorrow

[pallid quiver]

I think the orange to blue was a mix of changing times, mix of being a main mod, so you're "The Man" now they have to fight

Because I see a non-zero amount of people try to fight Nome

[ionic fern]

I was always a mod tho.

[bleak breach]

Just put down the hammer Mwahi

https://tenor.com/view/boss-respect-me-gif-14006389

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, but Blue is like, mod mod town

[ionic fern]

Now I'm an admin,as well.

[pallid quiver]

Admins aren't real, they're just mods with power fantasies

• Crazy Users Who Fight Everything

[ionic fern]

Someone has to give a slap on the wrist from time to time.

[bleak breach]

Anyone here who’s killed mythic Kyveza is there anything specific you run?
She slaps

I’ve been rotating spellblock for 1 tank buster then shield wall and last stand for the other and spell reflect with both.

[ionic fern]

Now everyone will listen to me again

[bleak breach]

It’s super tight on how low my health goes.

[pallid quiver]

Damn, Mwahi really sent it for the bit

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-gato-meme-cat-meme-cat-funny-gif-10852091490213405822