protection

[cyan bronze]

virus type shit

ig

[strong forum]

low rolled

[round pendant]

I should try colossus ig

[neat terrace]

Hey brothers, are there any good macros for demorilzing shout?

[round pendant]

wdym

press it on cooldown

[wooden widget]

/cast Demo Shout
/yell WITNESS ME

this should work well

[fresh pilot]

Makes sense, i thought that these were actual logs, its all runs ive logged pretty much.

[inner forge]

what weakaura packs are people using?

[vital pollen]

I just use quazii's UI and I add on a bouncy alert for uh...the SS/TC buff thing from spending rage

[strong forum]

i use mine :3

[vital pollen]

Yeah I'm fairly casual right now, but if you're serious about your UI, you need to find a base WA UI and go to town altering it to suit your needs.

[fresh pilot]

I use Luxthos at the moment. consdering switching to Afenar as it seems a little slimmer.

[inner forge]

i seen afenars, which package does dorki use as that one looks good

[round pendant]

I use my own

tho I yoinked some of nome's icons and outbust tracker

[round pendant]

Just use nomeraturs

[fresh pilot]

Does yours also track how much time is left on your active SB?

[inner forge]

will try nomeraturs, thanks 😄

[strong forum]

Ofc lol

My UI tracks everything important

Some more intuitively than others

[cyan bronze]

my ui is actually a black box

on the entire screen

helps me stay focused

looks smth like this:

(the blue on the left is my VO tracker)

[strong forum]

I recently got rid of my monitor actually it distracted me

[round pendant]

I don't like the way you track executes

[cyan bronze]

Ive been thinking about thisd

[strong forum]

?

[round pendant]

just a tiny buff icon when execute is ready

[strong forum]

when execute is usable yeah

[round pendant]

for SD or whatever else

I do this

[strong forum]

but why

[cyan bronze]

i just have a tick on my nameplates

[round pendant]

dunno, makes more sense to my brain that it's there and not in buffs

[cyan bronze]

oh for sd its the same as noms i believe

[round pendant]

Mine's unsatured when not available, glows when SD is up

[wooden widget]

The way nom tracks execute was the hardest for me to get used to. But then I realized if I’m using execute correctly it’s actually a good thing

So that I don’t overspend in execute range

But yeah my brain has trouble in the beginning

[strong forum]

like every UI

takes some getting used to

but once you understand it, its pretty good

unlike the standard ones that are just "okay track every buff even the useless ones"

[round pendant]

god

that's why I started making my own packs

I liked Hijack's until I realised he tracks literally everything ever and I can't actually find the buffs/etc that I need to

[strong forum]

too many packs out there with 30384903 glows on buffs that dont matter

and if everything glows

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF THE GLOW

[round pendant]

my UI looks like this

for prot

[strong forum]

no borders

no gaps

[round pendant]

yup

oh I forgot to disable the cell borders again

[strong forum]

this looks so unfinished to me

[round pendant]

why

It has literally everything you'd need

[strong forum]

yeah but it looks unfinished because no borders and no gaps

[round pendant]

oh just aesthetic wise

[strong forum]

ye

[round pendant]

sure, that's a preference thing tho

I used gaps and borders for all of DF and I kinda prefer this

[strong forum]

this looks so unfinished to me

[round pendant]

yeah I thought you meant like, functionally

Gaps just make the icons smaller for no reason

[strong forum]

gaps and borders make it more ... idk

[cyan bronze]

i fucking hate gaps

[strong forum]

feel right

[cyan bronze]

xephui has it too

and i manually ungapped

[round pendant]

I got kinda tired of everything being expressway + 1px borders + gaps

that's like the default wow sweat ui

[strong forum]

im an accidental presidency guy

but 1px borders + gaps is just

like its supposed to be there

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[strong forum]

no border no gap makes it feel so lost

and claustrophobic

like a packed elevator

[cyan bronze]

i like that feeling tho

[strong forum]

i think you need therapy

[sharp gale]

Ye boy

[round pendant]

I mean

let's see

[cyan bronze]

im in it @strong forum

my therapist told me im resistant to therapy

[strong forum]

dysthymic?

(if you dont know what that is, google it)

[cyan bronze]

he didnt use that term but, vaguely, yes

[strong forum]

i hope youre drilling into your heads that eggs matter more than ANYTHING ELSE

HARD FOCUS EGGS

PLS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO THE EGGS

thats the boss in tldr

[tardy abyss]

[strong forum]

missing an egg is instant wipe

so drill it mega into people

[tardy abyss]

And sometimes its also "KILL THE SPIDERS" on eggs 4 and 6

[strong forum]

wiping 100 times to people missing eggs is not fun

so make sure

EVERYBODY gets that message

[sharp gale]

Big sad I say goodbye to ovinax, I’m going for the long march now, I will see him again couple months or never

[round pendant]

ignore the bottom ones

[strong forum]

so much better

you can actually SEE something

[round pendant]

it's the exact same info

[strong forum]

nah idk

when it was squished with no borders i get blinded

theres no clear end where 1 thing ends and the other begins

this is much more distinct

clean

[round pendant]

with less on-cd stuff

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[round pendant]

tbh borders and gaps might be better

as it gives me more flexibility

[sharp gale]

Tbh without gaps I just see an excel sheet

[round pendant]

with no borders/gaps I get annoyed if I don't have 9 icons on the top row (which fits perfectly within my player and target frames

with borders/gaps they become their own thing

instead of one whole big thing

[strong forum]

hes learning

[round pendant]

I mean I've only used no borders/gaps for the last month or so

[sharp gale]

I use i don’t remember which wa but I manually separated things to give more space

[round pendant]

this is even worse

[strong forum]

eeeeeeeeh

too boxy

[wicked pollen]

maybe i should go to therapy again

sounds like me

[round pendant]

I need to figure out how to use lua in WAs

so I can make my icons automatically resize based on the width of my rage bar

[wicked pollen]

that sounds like so much work

[sharp gale]

I might go back too, if you want we go together

[wicked pollen]

i might be too doomed

[violet ginkgo]

we making omelette?

and good luck for happy with that boss fight

[sharp gale]

Learn to actually, manually, code wa is like way too much for me

[sharp gale]

Maybe not, it might surprise you

Drugs they give you they strong enough, but they get less and less effective with time (with what I have)

[wicked pollen]

im on 0 drugs

[sharp gale]

Is drug the name or meds ? I’m still weird to say drug for médecine lol

[round pendant]

I mean I can code lua np it's just idk how WA works in regards to adding custom stuff

[sharp gale]

I imagine if you are in the US, the cost of that might be something

[wicked pollen]

yeah

i just dont take any medication or drugs

[sharp gale]

I just take 1 tbh I stoped everything the doc tried

[round pendant]

It feels too airy now

[violet ginkgo]

looks way more proper

[sharp gale]

Maybe too much between spells, you don’t want to see Vanessa paradis teeths kinda of space

And maybe send sometimes a full screen screenshot, because ofc it depends on how it look overall

[round pendant]

oh

I just crashed my game

put a WA group that was positioned relative to another group inside that other group

Well, the universe has decided I stay with no borders and gaps

[waxen quarry]

flip a coin

head = borders tail = no borders

[violet river]

Hey what's the deal with tanking Valiona in grim batol, I'm not a tank main but want to tank more on my alts. Have seen tanks tank her facing into a cubby or doorway and it seems to just invalidate the tornados, breath, and ads?

[wicked pollen]

correct

[upper crow]

https://youtu.be/e9NEGl-PiVc?feature=shared

[violet river]

Thanks I should definitely sub to that!

Are the raider io routes on keystone guru a good start?

[thin acorn]

guys how much haste do we wanna have ? 30?

[sweet egret]

no, 30 haste is not good

[thin acorn]

what are we aiming for

[wicked pollen]

what the robot says

[round pendant]

yeah they're fine for +11s and below

[violet ginkgo]

50%

[round pendant]

I mean

I have awful haste and my keys are fine

[wild chasm]

Gaps or not it all feels too cramped... I mean how you know if you have offensive/defensive/utility cds up? You literally have to know where to look, you change 1 talent and everything moves... That's why I'd rather have some stuff separated like core rotation above the bars, def cds first row, utility/off cds 2nd row

[round pendant]

yes generally to know if something is up you have to know where to look

talent changes generally only add or remove one or two abilities lol

[wild chasm]

Yeah but since you have them in a set order, removing one will move everything left let's say. Unless you have separate rows for them

I mean they will move left anyway, but if you don't have separate rows they can also go to the upper row

[wild chasm]

That's why separating in groups works better because you send a shorter impulse to the brain - you look at the exact place with 5 icons, easier to find the one you're looking for or if you see everything on CD you know that you have to kite and so on

Discerning CDs out of a big group takes more time to process for your brain

But well I guess it's just minmaxing

[round pendant]

They.. are separate rows?

Nothing can possibly move up

[wild chasm]

Well I though you might have used a grid :p

[mossy jay]

28% Trust me and only me, everyone else lie

[woven ice]

isnt there a dude in here with 48% unbuffed

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think so

[round pendant]

I'm on 26% cause I keep taking gear that's good for fury

which means I have like 35% mastery

None of it matters for vault keys tho so idc

[violet ginkgo]

crit block owns!

[round pendant]

shame crit is fury's worst stat

[jagged pier]

Literally dont stop putting it on

[pallid quiver]

no we want exactly 30 haste rating, he's right

Gotta get them Burning Crusade blues on and what not

smh label your units

[verbal venture]

Hi all, new on tanking on M+ How you understand what and when send def. CD like SW or SpellBlock in mob pack?

[round pendant]

SW on cooldown (unless you need it for an upcoming tankbuster you know about)

You wanna just maximise usage of your defensives as much as possible

[verbal venture]

I use it pre pull, but sometimes i feel in danger at mid pull with healt that drop istantly... and i don't und why..

[round pendant]

and simply don't use them if you need it for something

well that depends on the pack

[verbal venture]

So i send spell block in large caster mob only?

[round pendant]

There's a spreadsheet in the pins that lists all mobs and whether their attacks are reflectable or blockable

There is a LOT of spell blockable trash packs

so unless you're on the pack before a boss where you want it (like 2nd boss in dawnbreaker) I'd just send it on the bigger/scarier packs

if you're new, simply using the CDs will put you ahead of the curve

most people don't even use their defensives more than a few times in a key lmao

just don't overlap your SW and SB

[verbal venture]

Ty, last question: if i was hit on the back i see that only in logs?

[round pendant]

If you're only doing 10s and lower you don't even need to think about it much. As you get familiar with the packs and bosses you'll learn when you have to hold stuff

[round pendant]

There's prob a weak aura that can tell you if you get hit in the ass

but generally, don't get hit in the ass

[quaint sinew]

How many mobs is it when revenge does more damage than Shield slam?

Just wondering

[maiden forge]

No idea, but u would want to hit SS if it was up anyways cause revenge can reset it

[pallid quiver]

If not Colossus, it would take a shit ton of mobs, especially with the above accounted for

Over time, it'd be less recenges, anyhow, too, due to lacking the rage gen

So it'd only be an optimization on something like a last 2 GCD sorta thing before pack dead

[mighty valley]

yeah... just press shield slam in all realistic situations

[tawdry fjord]

What weakaura "pack" do you guys use for m+? to remind with running out, defensives and stuff like that

and to simply keep track of next spell cast by bosses

[smoky anvil]

Ability timeline something or another. Puts a bar on my screen that counts shit down. Then the auto marker. Then my eyes weak aura. I find the last one is the hardest for people to use.

[tardy abyss]

I only use auto marker rn

[tawdry fjord]

doesnt auto marker just mark shit? haha

[tardy abyss]

important for higher keys

[split stratus]

I'm sitting at 17k haste, but I still feel like keeping the 100% uptime on SB in some bosses in M+ is not always doable even when using SB/SC on CD. I was used to playing with HR until now and just switched to fray, HR feels so much smoother. Am I supposed to be at 100% uptime with that much haste ?

[tardy abyss]

17k is not enough

To have 100% uptime with ITF

[split stratus]

Oh, that's why

Oh, just realized some people have 23k, I guess I indeed can get a bit more !

[tardy abyss]

You need around 21k-ish for ITF to be playable

[split stratus]

Alright, seeing the avg at 17k and everybody playing with ITF I thought it was enough, thanks mate !

[urban portal]

Hate archon so much

[tawdry fjord]

Is there any spell block weakaura or something that could be usefull for m+?

[tardy abyss]

Dont trust 3rd party websites ever

They give no context at all

Also a lot of people just copy builds from high rio warriors

Even if they should not play it

[wild chasm]

Doubt there’s spell block, but you can block most spells that you can reflect. There’s spreadsheet somewhere

[sharp ember]

Hi, question: How do I make a Ignore pain resource bar? (track the amount in relation to max amount, instead of duration remaining)

selecting power type: pain under triggers doesn't seem to work, I guess that's something else

[wild chasm]

What I did was just browse through other, complete (like the whole prot spec) weakauras and just cherry pick the one for Ignore Pain. Easier than trying to figure it out myself

[fallow hinge]

this trink any good?

[pallid quiver]

It's fine; not amazing, but it's far from the worst trinket around

[lofty warren]

What type of damage is the big hit on first boss of city of threat?

[proven plume]

shadow and physical i think

you can always check the adv guide ingame to see

[mellow bridge]

is break water from 3rd boss in SoB spell blockable? It's not in the sheet

[cold crater]

Hi team,
What uptime should you have on shield block? can you have 100% ?

[tardy abyss]

99%+ optimally

[strong forum]

If you play HR you can easily get 100%

With ITF you need shitton of haste or play 3 block talents

[quaint sinew]

Just wondering what do you guys see prot warriors prio more, crit or vers? Im prioing crit but as i push higher keys (doing 13s rn) im thinking about changing to vers, or does it not matter that much

[tardy abyss]

It doesnt really matter that much

[quaint sinew]

Thats what i thought i just wanted to check/get some opinions

Only reason im doing crit is more damage tbh

[strong forum]

Crit = better for dmg and big pulls
Vers = better vs dots and unblockable stuff

[tardy abyss]

Either way you will never die because you lack the other stat

[quaint sinew]

Kk ty

[tardy abyss]

Is there even a dot that hurts us outside of 1st boss GB

[strong forum]

No

There are no tank debuff rly

[quaint sinew]

Also just read in here that u need around 20kish haste for in the fray to be viable, i got 15k ish should i switch to the other talent, forgot what the other talent name is

[strong forum]

You can get away with low haste like that

But I would be pissed the fuck off if I run into block downtime because of it

And potentially die because I want to do potentially 6% more dmg lol

[tardy abyss]

ITF also just doesnt feel that great with low haste because it gives less

[tough patio]

Is there a zero haste approach possible with war tank?

[quaint sinew]

Yeah honestly i just put it cuz i thought 20% was good enough, or whatever number i read, probably was bad info, ya ive been cought with shield slam down

[tardy abyss]

35%ish is what you wanna have

pre-buffs

And then juice up on haste buffs

[lime mantle]

Yes, but ain't good.

[tough patio]

Step 1

Get 2 priests

Step 2

Ask for pi from both

Step 3, profit and rip hands

[strong forum]

Absolutely possible with playing heavy repercussions

But

You'll do fuckall dmg and generally hate your life

[tardy abyss]

If you wanna simulate low haste, go do that first pull Siege

[tough patio]

Or be wild

Get 4 priests

Pi fest

[tardy abyss]

Im miserable every single time I play that pull

[strong forum]

-16% haste

And yes, you can have negative haste

[tardy abyss]

Isnt it way more than 16%

[tough patio]

Imagine war tank perma pi uptime

[strong forum]

Brother

[tough patio]

[strong forum]

I'm not saying you lose 16% haste

I'm saying you drop TO -16%

[tardy abyss]

o

[strong forum]

Atleast I do

[tardy abyss]

My apologies, brother

[strong forum]

If you have less haste, then it'll drop you to like idk -20 or -30%

[tardy abyss]

I should be at like 5% or so

Either way, it feels bad

[strong forum]

Each debuff is -15% multiplicatively I think

Theres 4 debuffs

[tardy abyss]

Dont think Ive ever seen it stack to 4

You prob pull differently than me

[strong forum]

Holup

[tardy abyss]

Do you pull 1 or 2 packs from the right side

[strong forum]

I do the standard double pull on the left

That's 4 gutters

[tardy abyss]

Huh, maybe I just didnt pay attention to the stacks that often

But Im pretty sure I never see it go up to 4

[strong forum]

Yeah and damn I was right

It's 15%

[tardy abyss]

ye

[strong forum]

Man my napkin math is on point

[sullen gust]

So as a warrior guy, I was thinking of branching out to an alt. I'd say I play all 3 warrior specs to a decent level, and enjoy prot and arms over fury. What specs would anyone recommend giving a try?

[ripe seal]

The tier is finally over, I can now rest

[shrewd grove]

Frost DK is a blast

[mellow bridge]

worst fkin mobs in the game

disgusting

[lofty warren]

Which is that

[keen leaf]

its always 4 debuffs for me

[lofty warren]

The guys in stonevault that give you stacking bs are bad

[keen leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-this-is-happening-leap-leap-of-faith-cat-gif-17051947

[tardy abyss]

Could be worse, I still survive almost 30 stacks in +13 lmao

Pulling a lot of them at once feels dangerous tho

[smoky anvil]

Only moment in keys where the thing I’m bricking might be my pants rather than the key.

[scarlet stone]

Last boss Siege.

Bricked a key after getting the debuff every single time and running out of CDs. Went in to the boss with 9 minutes too, but wiped on very last boat with tank tentacle at 17%

[jagged gust]

that's rough, buddy

[elder thorn]

On the last boss of Ara-kara, how do you guys aggro/pull the Black Blood adds toward the boss that spawn after the root? I feel like I always run out of time between when they spawn and when the swirles/poison spells are cast so it's a cluster fuck?

[strong forum]

Heroic throw/taunt/aoe taunt/shuffle close to them and hit them with TC

[elder thorn]

Okay thank you. Do they even do much damage to the rest of the group? Like should I be super worried about cleaving them down in the first place? Or should I be more worried about something else?

[bleak delta]

From what I understand they don’t do much and are just a bit annoying

I only ever make sure to rip em off the healer everyone else can figure it out

[elder thorn]

Okay thanks. I feel like I worry about them too much and it's fucking me up. I

I'll just be sure to get em off the healer

[inner oracle]

it's doing around 500K dmg average on cloth on a 13 key so yeah it's helpful but I'd say don't over commit for that, they can take a few hits

[elder thorn]

okay thanks for checking

[shrewd grove]

Yeah, my rule is "If you want it off you, bring it to the boss and I'll snag it with a TC" unless it's healer

[winged oar]

what build do yall recommend for rash prog? been progging first 3 as colossus but see a lot of mountain thane + execute talents on rash

[elder thorn]

Just did this and 2 chested it

thanks

[shrewd grove]

If you're progging, try both and see which you like best

[sharp gale]

That’s the point of prog, like me (i dps fury in raid) on silken court like I see people playing slayer or thane hero talent, well I try both few pulls,

But at some point you should stop trying/ change things when you understand you are in kill boss time

[bleak delta]

Love to hear it mate well done

[round pendant]

jesus christ

I hate fotm players downplaying their class

[lofty warren]

lol i said i voted for a particular individual and got some gold

[round pendant]

that's illegal

[shrewd grove]

Technically it's only illegal before you vote

[lofty warren]

no it was because i was either celebrating or super sad after results came in

[sharp gale]

Oh shit it’s the one without the sound

[sudden jackal]

No idea what I'm interuppting here; but thought it was pretty interesting for anyone that does the BRD TW raid in retail... Prot warr Spell reflect will reflect the Ambassador Flamelash's tank buster, "Cremate" back onto himself, raid has to clear away from him when he channels it to avoid the circle, just as if the grp was "Soaking on tank" makes it a stupid easy solo tank raid fight DEFINITELY not meant to be this way, but 100% solid cheese

[golden dagger]

Anyone need any prot warrior tips let me know

[sharp gale]

Thx

[golden dagger]

Yeah no prob. Just would love to give back to community

[winged oar]

is the web breath on rash spell reflectable?

[sharp gale]

Any tips to have the best mog to as a prot gnome ?

[sharp gale]

Which rash

In raid yes

[winged oar]

raid lol

shiiit

[sharp gale]

You don’t get trapped ( become an AoE bitch / dps LOsEr)

[golden dagger]

Haha I’m just kidding. I’m probably the worst prot warrior you’ve ever met. You’re better off asking someone whose never played a warrior before, that’s how bad I am

[sharp gale]

Was talking about transmogs

Even your drip is bad ?

[golden dagger]

Everything is bad

I did time a 9 tho

Like a champ

[sharp gale]

Don’t lie, not everything is bad, you just are a chill guy who just enjoy video games

[golden dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[sharp gale]

You know it’s so rare trends break into French tiktoks, but this one did

[golden dagger]

And I’m glad it did

[sharp gale]

Like meninfemalefields has zero chance to become a french thing

[lament wharf]

what spells and macros do you guy use? ive been told to macro bind shield block and ignore pain into every spell, is this correct?

i feel like at times i should be using ignore pain over shield block or vice versa so binding it into everything seems bad

[glass pine]

633 Fury main. Tried 2 keys as prot this season. First was a 2 mists I topped dps in, 2nd was a 7 CoT we +2d. I was doing pulls that the tanks do in 10s. Holy fuck i have no idea what I was doing. It was fun as fuck though. At the end of the dungeon I realized I literally did not press last stand once.

[sharp gale]

Nop, the macro is to bind a shield slam cast into the ignore pain, it replaces zero keybinds

[glass pine]

Ignore Pain is off your GCD, so you can hit it directly after a SS

[sharp gale]

And since almost every gcd you use ignore pain, you chase the reset of shield slam of the precedent spell

[lament wharf]

well not for GCD but for rage. like if i only have rage for one

[glass pine]

Ah

[lament wharf]

i see do you have the macro?

[sharp gale]

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

[lament wharf]

should i do the same for shield block and shield slam?

[sharp gale]

If you want the explanation

[sharp gale]

No because you don’t want to press shield block on cd

[lament wharf]

why not? it infinietly stacks no?

i suppose if you dont have ignore pain up or its low then that would be the time not to use

[sharp gale]

If you are ingame, press shield block two times in a row, you will see if it stacks

[lament wharf]

i mean the uptime stacking not the dmg reductin

[sharp gale]

Just do a key with shield block on every spell and you will see the issue

[lament wharf]

i trust

[sharp gale]

I think it doesn’t matter that much if you don’t play into the fray

And have heavy repercussion talented

But yes the duration does stack if you wanted the answer, but at max duration

Like it just refresh itself at some point

I don’t remember the max I’m thinking and I don’t remember if it’s 2 times or 3 times the base duration

Anyway, basically when you do shield block+ shield charge you are at max duration and if you add a shield block you just wasted it

[urban portal]

3x

[urban portal]

i dont think this overcaps you

[sharp gale]

Base its 6 seconds, shield block duration talent give you 8s but I don’t think it modify max

[urban portal]

it does

[sharp gale]

Okok thx, it is not something I pay attention a lot myself

But now that I’m thinking you could just press shield block on cd with 24 sec max no ?

Im trying to remember why I don’t lol

[urban portal]

so you dont waste duration if the pack dies

[sharp gale]

Oh the explanation is simple, it’s been so long sometimes it’s hard to remember why I do certain things

[lofty veldt]

Hello friendly friends

How’s everyone doing

Hope you’re all comfy and keeping your shield blocks up

[bleak delta]

the warmest of welcomes mate

[quaint sinew]

when you guys do ara kara first pull, do you guys take it to the miniboss?

i been trying it out but it never goes smoothly, and i know prot warrior gathering isnt the best so jw what do most ppl do in pugs

[sharp gale]

Depends on the group

And it goes bad because its a lot of casters

[quaint sinew]

ya i timed my +12 not doing it but i feel like i should start doing it for my 13s and beyond, but never goes how i want it to

its my least favorite pull ever

[sharp gale]

Just do two separate packs then

[quaint sinew]

is it not grief doing that, cuz then lust will be used later?

[sharp gale]

Depends on your packs/route, if you NEED your second lust at a specific timing that can’t be done if you don’t lust the first, just lust even if you just do two separate packs

Just then try make the first of the two pulls « the most important one »

[quaint sinew]

ok tyank you

thank*

[sharp gale]

Because you can separate pulls different ways, do two equals, or bigger/small

Or small/bigger but you don’t want to hold cds

You can chain pull when this target dies too

[sweet summit]

i do if i can guarantee the two attendants in melee (with dk or knocks), but i take a small pitstop by the bridge to group and get aggro on everything

[sharp gale]

That’s what I do, I just take the caster after the bridge and I stop

And when he dies I just go on miniboss

I don’t think with current average ilvl you are pressured by the timer in 13s

Especially in ara

[manic lagoon]

I'll only do miniboss first pull if I got hard CC for the patrol, those casters are so hard to get into melee without grips in pugs. Then assing kick for miniboss fear and the other caster close by. You can then pull the CCd caster with 2 next spideys.

[violet ginkgo]

wait till the last boss wiped XD
You are correct though until last boss usually kind of smooth run with some good time left then the nightmare begins

[sharp gale]

The last caster being grabbed is not the biggest issue in higher keys, it is having to deal with a 3 spam casters pull in a pug, at high enough key lvl, they don’t die in the period you don’t care about correctly kicking them (period where you can waste kicks/no AoE stop coordination)

Kick 3 targets require insane coordination

I think they just sap one in top keys

[manic lagoon]

They need 2 kicks each to move them at all before you can even hit them with aoe CC. Thats my biggest issue so far in pugs till +13s. With rogue or DK it's easy but don't have those in every grp.

[sharp gale]

Like you said, you enter the platform, you need to coordinate 3 kicks (3/4 of your kicks if you have disc priest) or someone will die

[manic lagoon]

Yes

[tribal wharf]

is the racing part of the game cool, the new car one

i havent been on in a week,

not sure if i wanna come back wow or no

[sharp gale]

You mean the ground mount car ?

[tribal wharf]

ya, i saw a bit of that i thought it looked cool

maybe they make it a dungeon gimmick like the dynamite throw at the darkness in that dungeon

have to race/drive/drift outta the dungeon or after the dude or somethin

but, i think it would be drama central for a few days, cuz car-heads... y'know

[pallid quiver]

They said that currently, there's no plans for it to be an instance gimmick, but maybe in the future depending on reception

[tribal wharf]

i was honest to god hoping it was gunna be some like fast and the furious type shit in the mega, or the raid cuz gobos

gobos like to make explosive and moving mechanical devices

i mean damn, thier racial mounts are cars and trikes and such

motorcycles

i think this new dungeon is supposed to be a mega, im not really sure

[pallid quiver]

It's specifically not a mega dungeon

They didn't want it to be formulaic with a mega dungeon always in the first patch

[brazen glacier]

Somehow I always end up getting the two mini-bosses at the end of City of Threads at the same time and it's always a big mess. I kick the first one as soon as it starts casting to pull it back, but it never gets far enough and the other one always ends up getting pulled. Can you LoS it, or do you just need more people in your group helping kick it while you keep pulling it back?

[lunar scarab]

Has anyone had a random caster add get pulled on the first pull of dawnbreaker? it looks like it comes from the entrance of the dungeon lol

[civic jackal]

I pull the big one first in the little room next to it, on its right we all stand there without pulling the other one

[hoary pivot]

if you have a kick order and people stay stacked, it works rather well in my experience

its the usual coordination struggle with pugs though

[north raft]

Does anyone have any tips for the add pull after the second boss of GB? Pushing that at higher keys and those engragers hit like a fucking truck, and they enrage so often it's hard to get dps to keep tranqing them. What seems to be working for you guys? Especially if you have no dps that can tranq?

[tardy abyss]

def cds and then just kite

Their buff is only 4s

[north raft]

Damn that's what I've been doing. Was hoping someone had found a better way. Thank you though!

[tardy abyss]

There really is nothing else you can do

Fortunately theyre not very fast

[sharp gale]

You can fully tranq them ? I only tried on my alt hunt the first week of m+ and saw it dispelled only 1 stack so it was never something I counted on

[fallow hinge]

should I craft a 636 ring and replace the 619 or should I max out my trinket?

[plush tendon]

sim and see

personally, a ring craft is pretty high value

especially if you do the double craft tech

so you dont have to spend gilded crests to upgrade your second one

[fallow hinge]

tec?

and yes the ring is the move

[plush tendon]

if you craft a 636 ring then recraft it, it counts as having two unique rings

It should still work

but the steps are 1) craft 636 ring 2) recraft 636 ring with ideal missive

and since youll have 'two' 636 rings, you can upgrade your myth track one to 636 for just valorstones

[fallow hinge]

so you craft the first ring without a missive of does it not matter?

[plush tendon]

I would craft without missive first

then recraft with the missive

you cant recraft the same ring, there has to be a change to it as far as I understand

ring recrafts are also super cheap

[fallow hinge]

alright, thanks

[blazing condor]

if you craft without missive its just random stats right

not statless

[strong forum]

Si

[devout basalt]

what would a guy drop if u wanted to play roar insead of spear

or could u just run roar without the bottom talents

[strong forum]

You go from this

To this

Doing any other combination of talents is hard trolling

[round wolf]

Gonna Recraft my Sword from 619 to 636

Or craft a ring

[strong forum]

Well except that 1 point from endurance training into crit on the upper build. That's okay too

[devout basalt]

i see ty

[round wolf]

I assume More powerful Weapon will make holding threat again DPS going Ham easier ?

Or should I craft a ring first ?

[strong forum]

You can sim it, the ring recraft trick is very lucrative however as it allows you to upgrade both rings to 636 for the cost of only 1 crest spending

[plush tendon]

wep is usually the priority

but yea, if you can upgrade a second myth ring for essentially free with the ring craft, good reason to do so

[round wolf]

I have no crafted rings at all currently

[plush tendon]

not saying craft two rings

but if you have a myth track ring at like 623, and you do the double craft of a crafted ring to 636, you can freely pump that 623 to 636

which is +60 gilded crest value

or you can make a hero track ring 626 for free

[round wolf]

Ok I gotcha I got 2 Hero Rings at moment

[chilly brook]

Pressing buttons well will be the biggest help

Tbh

Like occasionally someone rips on a singular target that isn’t my main target as prot at 616 doing 10-12s but it’s just one target and a quick taunt does the job. But I’m not really having aggro issues

[round wolf]

With enchantment Shammy bursts to like 2mill or more within like 3 seconds is when it's tough

Overall it's not to bad

[chilly brook]

Ran with a few

But I’m also bursting to 2m

If not a little higher

Plenty of pulls where I finish above 1m

[round wolf]

I might just be bad lol

[chilly brook]

Just gotta press your CDs on CD 😉

[plush tendon]

^ the secret of prot war right there

[round wolf]

Yeah I use Thunderclap on CD and I'm very proactive with CDs
Some of it is likely me getting used to playing with people who play well in higher keys

Alot of lower keys and pugs people don't really blast so I've never stressed about it

But just now getting into bigger keys for me this season's with a group so gotta shake the jitter

[chilly brook]

Nah TC on CD isn’t correct

Shield slam comes above it unless your TC is a TB and you’re in aoe iirc

[violet ginkgo]

finding the JC to do it though

[plush tendon]

Just be your own jewlcrafter and armor smith

and collude with your guildies to have all your crafting needs met

[violet ginkgo]

speaking of which I have a question let's say you and I are at the same server Augusto, but your main is Alliance and my main is Horde.

Then when I saw you maybe looking for crafting something with my Alliance alt, then I tell you to send order to my main which is in horde, can that be done? Or that only can happen when in 1 guild?

[plush tendon]

you can send crafts cross faction

but you cant communicate cross faction

[violet ginkgo]

aaaah

👍

[plush tendon]

im like 95% sure thats how it works

being in the same guild allows cross server

[violet ginkgo]

what makes you 5% not sure?

[plush tendon]

havnt done it in a while

I remember doing it in DF

but Im self sufficient now or use guildies for all my crafts

so I dont know if that has been changed

granted, there is no risk in trying

[inner oracle]

wasnt that fixed?

[chilly brook]

no

[strong forum]

Nop

[inner oracle]

just tried on an alt, doesnt work anymore, seems they fixed it 😉

[cyan bronze]

Right our bad it’s more likely that the thing that people have been doing wrong all season and saying has been fixed is now suddenly fixed than is likely that you did it wrong

Carry on king 🤴

[inner oracle]

why being nasty about it though? just saying I tried and don't seem to work anymore, maybe I did it wrong sure, please help me out king 🙂

[keen leaf]

u cant make a hero track ring at 626 if ur talking crafted

[lofty warren]

The ring won't be available until 11.0.7 and nobody have been able to test it

[keen leaf]

ignore me, I was on an older post and didnt notice, someone probably already corrected it

[fresh ruin]

is there a General "Weak Aura" package for all warrior specs?

i have "Luxthos" but it looks outdated, and i cant seem to find a new one?

[lofty warren]

Afenar

[shrewd grove]

Seconding Afenar. It's my tried and true. Looks great, tracks everything clearly, easily edited.

[lime mantle]

I like publik's

(But you need to edit quite a bit of things)

[tender spade]

What is the id of the buff that makes the next revenge free?

[wicked pollen]

google revenge! wow

[tender spade]

Gets me here
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=6572/revenge#comments
Dosent help me get the id of the buff to my knowledge

[sweet summit]

5302

[tender spade]

Thanks

[wicked pollen]

i thought it would show on wowhead https://www.wowhead.com/spell=5302/revenge#comments

oh wait does

just weird it directs to spell and not buff

[tender spade]

Its both a spell and a buff, that why I had issue finding the buff and gave up and asked here

[lofty warren]

What are you going to do with the id

[tender spade]

Make a tracker so i can see when the both is up

[wicked pollen]

wdym both?

[tender spade]

wdym?

[wicked pollen]

revenge has no cd

revenge! makes next revenge free

[lofty warren]

It's up if you have energy to pay for it

That's probably what he mean

But you can't use the free revenge and use the revenge that costs energy at the same time

[wicked pollen]

you wouldnt have to track revenge that costs energy if you look at rage bar?

[tender spade]

Im so lost about what you guys are on about tbh. I just want to make a tracker so i can see when my next revenge is free, thats why i wanted the id

[wicked pollen]

you said both so i was confused

[tender spade]

Whatever, i got what i need - Thanks for the help

[chilly brook]

Did you craft, put it in both slots, recraft, put it in both slots and then log out and back in?

If you didn't relog it won't give you the discount, after you relog it will

[chilly brook]

But the game already has a visual for that?

[inner oracle]

did the 1st things but I didnt relog yeah, after login out & back again it's working, thx 🙂

[lofty warren]

Do you have to waist materials on recraft to get cheaper upgrades?

[bold tide]

is shield big for prot ? should i craft them 636 or go for embelishments?

[tardy abyss]

Its pretty big

[bold tide]

newbie question since its my alt

thanks bro

[plush tendon]

you can put embelishment on shield

[bold tide]

yeah i saw that too but i need some knowledge , without embelish i can crft myself max rank

[wheat canopy]

Hey all I'm new to prot. Is it normal NOT to have 100% uptime on IP? like when i'm playing I feel guilty not having it up all the time but sometimes i just can't. am i doing something wrong?

[ionic fern]

Just so we're clear, you realise that Shield Block is your main mitigation, correct?

Ignore Pain is used to dump excessive Rage since it's off the global cooldown and feeds into Indom / Outburst / AM.

[cyan bronze]

Uptime on ip isn’t really a thing

Tbf

[ionic fern]

If you play the rotation properly you will have a lot of extra Rage which you will send into IP.
The Uptime of IP doesn't really matter much.

"Doesn't really matter much" as in, you will have it up anyways.

[wheat canopy]

ok so if a big hit takes it away i shouldn't be scrambing for it right

[ionic fern]

Are you talking dungeons or raid?

[cyan bronze]

Hmm

[wheat canopy]

uhh usually dungeons i guess. haven't done much raiding

[cyan bronze]

IP increases your effective health

[ionic fern]

Again, your IP "up-time" is fully dependant on your Rage income, so you doing your rotation properly.

Up-time is not something we track for IP, we track wasted Rage.

[wheat canopy]

so what i've read is that i should send IP between 60-80 rage. should i send it with less than 60 rage if it's not up?

[cyan bronze]

I generally find that you cant always have a maxed ip absorb for every tank buster ever

But I also find that you do not need that

[ionic fern]

I honestly pay 0 attention to my IP value.

[cyan bronze]

Yea

[ionic fern]

76% "up-time".

ANd my casts in that dungeon.

[cyan bronze]

I think only on db first boss I try to dump later rather than soon(without overcapping rage)

To not have it ate by melee

But I really don’t think it matters

[wheat canopy]

ah okay cool. I think maybe i've been focusing on it too much and making it more complicated than it should be lol

[cyan bronze]

It’s a rage release

Literally

[wheat canopy]

ok cool. yeah i was treating it as an important dmg mitigator

should make it easier to play now lol

[ionic fern]

Shield Block is your main mitigation tool.

If the damage is not blockable, you turn to Shield Wall .

[cyan bronze]

You should still “care” about ip in the sense that it prevents you from overcapping rage

And that gives avatar and shield wall cdr

But it’s not ironfur, no, even though it’s similar ~ish in spending

[wheat canopy]

yeah for sure. I do my best to always send between 60-80 but i found myself scrambling to use it if it wasn't up and i had less than 60 rage

[cyan bronze]

Does brutal vitality create its own ip pool? @ionic fern

Or does it have to have an ignore pain pool to add to

[wheat canopy]

is that the one where when you SS and it gives IP and a whack of ragE?

if so it does create a pool

nvm that's violent outburst

[cyan bronze]

Similar; brutal vitality is ip from damage done

I’d assume it can’t create its own pool from wording, but it’s blizz tooltips

[wheat canopy]

when should i use last stand?

like an "oh shit" button?

[ionic fern]

No.

[cyan bronze]

Kk

[ionic fern]

Either as that , or as pre-emptive tool.

[cyan bronze]

As a follow up, in dmg intake environments high enough(im assuming that alot of damage will not get converted since "lack" of ip uptime), does that mean FBV could be a better choice?albiet a minor optimization

[pallid quiver]

Counter-intuitively, scrambling to maintain IP like that actually ends up with less IP overall, since you'll stall your rotation due to being unable to restart it with Revenge from lacking rage, so you actually end up squishier

[pallid quiver]

And usually, the passive healing healers do will keep you high enough for it to not really make much difference, but neither node is particularly strong. You could literally pick whichever icon you find cooler and find zero realistic difference

[pallid quiver]

Also, to add on what Mwahi noted, Last Stand does have a healing component to it, so you can use it to help shave off heal absorbs. Bonus points for that then making Impending Victory do more healing, as well

[cyan bronze]

Yep, it’s a low power node, was just curious if you could run into a situation where IP gets insta munched and dmg doesn’t convert, but I can’t find any logs of this happening

[wheat canopy]

sweet. thanks guys this has been real helpful

[pallid quiver]

As a future heads up, the best way to evaluate your defensive use and base rotation is to log, so if you don't have logging setup, it might be worth getting that going

[wheat canopy]

will do

[pallid quiver]

Due to blocking being our main mit, and the only way to really see if blocking is effective or not (you're not turning your back, it's up while you're actually being hit, etc) is to check logs, since Details doesn't track that

[urban portal]

that could be true ye

but fbv is such low healing until you get into very high target counts

[tardy abyss]

Brutal Vitality sounds way too strong to not take it ever tbh

Esp in big pulls where you can do 3M+ dps

[strong forum]

fbv also doesnt work on outburst

BrV the dmg from outburst immediately feeds into IP generated from Outburst

its just better

[urban portal]

not exactly how it works, as pull size gets bigger bleeds become a larger % of your damage

because bleeds are true uncapped

[jagged gust]

Man first time this season but I was getting absolutely dumped on by the ground aoe from the final pulls of arakara last night

Full melee group though so I don't know if that affects the spread at all

[sharp gale]

Ground AoEs usually try to hit players

So if everyone is melee it will be hell in melee, like second boss of siège if you are not stacked

[torpid vault]

hey folks, whats ur overall shieldblock uptime usually in 12-14 M+ keys? Im at 90% wondering if thats low

[tardy abyss]

95%+

With ITF

[torpid vault]

I guess kiting packs affect that, for example NW first pull after running out of stuff

[jagged gust]

that's a good example of when the average person makes mistakes and takes backshots yeah

but they say 95% because m+ naturally has downtime, but your goal should be 100% blocked hits

[mighty valley]

we really can't start calling them "backshots"

[cyan bronze]

Start?

[jagged gust]

Never stopped

I ran NW solo on m0 and did the first big pull until I could finish it without dying, went from 20% to 5% unmitigated hits comparing first and last run

shit took me some practice

[torpid vault]

does details show that or logging that?

[jagged gust]

logging

only info you can gleam from details is sb uptime, which isn't the whole picture

[gleaming fern]

what should be the Shield Block uptime?

the minimum at least

[mighty valley]

as high as you can, if you're below 85-90% blocked hits there's prob something serious to work on

but you can get 95+

[urban portal]

Prob logged

[mortal pecan]

Where do you check shield block uptime on the logs

[torpid vault]

i check details in buff uptime

[vestal moat]

Colossus buffed

Are we collosus enjoyers now

prot pally got hit hard too

[lofty warren]

@parrygodx colossass reroll?

@strong forum alert alert ⚠️

[mortal pecan]

How different is the play style

[vestal moat]

It's slower playstyle. you always feel rage starved especially in execute

but big crits and dam

I comfortably tank 13s as thane and pulled the world once in a 10 NW that i know i could have easily done as thane. I died. So that's one data point.

[lofty warren]

I wouldn't mind trying colassass. You are naturally bigger I think

[mighty valley]

Still don’t think it makes up for the big rage gen deficit

But idk I’ll take any excuse to play colossus, no matter how thin

[plush tendon]

prob a bigger raid buff

[lofty warren]

So for m+ no change? OK seems good 👍 at least it's not a nerf

[cyan bronze]

How big are the ppal nerfs

Seem like just dmg nerfs?

[mighty valley]

Their damage is insane

[vestal moat]

Around 8-9%

[cerulean pewter]

Hey guys guys, trinket question do you think Skarmorak shard > Foul Behemoth as a second trinket after Arakara?

[lofty warren]

Omg 9%

Well good thing I didn't abandon the pwar. Have to diversify your main to be high on the tier list

[jagged gust]

you have fewer SS resets, and thus more GCDs for revenge, but overall pretty much exactly the same

less rage but more dam

[round pendant]

neat that's a nice buff for colossus

[pallid quiver]

Colossus meant to be more on the passive side of tanky according to their reasoning

That's an interesting take

[dapper vapor]

brain afk spec design

colossus is gamer dad spec and thane is monster chugging degen spec

[tulip remnant]

Isn’t thane already kinda passive?????

You just clappa

[dapper vapor]

you gotta keep playing the donkey kong rhythm game to maintain apm

[tulip remnant]

Bro I just have ADHD

APM isn’t an issue lmao

[cyan bronze]

Ok

Good to know

[torpid granite]

is the burning plate of the worldbreaker a pain in the ass to get?

i cant seem to get the thing to pop

[mighty valley]

I dunno the % chance, I just know they fixed it so you only get one chance per day

[lofty warren]

Pwar going back to top of the tier list again but hopefully not too high bc blizz gonna over nerf it

[chrome sapphire]

Is there something about Raidbots that weighs the Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife very heavily.
Ive been comparing a SBRK and a Sacbrood and no matter what, Raidbots gives the knife a better dps profile.
Despite it never showing up on any tier list for, like, any spec.

[cyan bronze]

Dajjer is just good

It’s just obnoxious to get

It’s high stat budget & the malice doesn’t proc often

[mighty valley]

you can never get it myth track, right

so it can't truly be top tier without being extremely overtuned

(which it might've been, it got nerfed early on)

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah because it’s from the open world slot vault. Max is heroic.

[torpid dome]

Hmm interesting buff for colossus

[fallen spindle]

ow. nice with the colossus buff. ive been plaing that from the start. but im also old 😄

[livid dawn]

I honestly really disliked thane... my ear hurts from all the claps

[fallen spindle]

hallo doctor. i got a problem with all the clapping i do....=)

[fiery gale]

I’m back, pally got nerfed

[sweet summit]

unplayable now

[torpid dome]

You guys expecting builds to shift towards colossus?

Or only for higher keys mb?

[coarse flax]

pally gut nerfed really ?

[chilly thicket]

No lol

7%

[neon verge]

R WE BACK BOIS?

[sweet summit]

we never left

👴

[lofty warren]

How will the nerf change the tank tier list?

this is current

[formal vigil]

I just did some napkin research. Looked at top 10 score logs in warcraftlogs for +15 Ara'kara, both for prot war and prot paladin. Average damage for paladin was 12.6 mil dps and for warrior it was 9 mil dps. In other words pre-nerf paladin was about 40% ahead of prot war in damage.

So the paladin damage nerf would need to be very substantial to move paladin away from the top I would say

[lofty warren]

Paladin says it's a 9% dps nerf

[formal vigil]

divide those numbers by 10*

[formal vigil]

yeh so prob not enough to shift meta

[lofty warren]

Whelp back to gearing my ppal I guess

[formal vigil]

[wheat canopy]

Looking at wowhead, why do we prioritize thunder blast over shield slam? Doesn’t shield slam generate more rage?

[formal vigil]

i think thats only for aoe

just does a lot of dam

[wheat canopy]

Alright cool thank you

[neon verge]

this math absolutely fucking blows my mind.. its insane

[buoyant plank]

Hey, I’m an old timer warrior main just getting back into tanking. How come our bis trinkets are more dps focused vs the trinkets of other tank classes?

[wild chasm]

We’re the tankiest of them all and apart from the trinket from Court there’s no good tank trinkets

[blazing condor]

usually tank trinkets aren't needed for 99% of players because you only really "need" the trinkets when you cant survive without them. Which only really happens at the highest m+ keys or early in mythic prog

because if you just play the spec well then you will survive without needing the crutch of a tank trinket when doing "normal content"

meaning its better to use dps trinkets because you wanna do more damage

[buoyant plank]

Thanks! That makes sense to me now. One of our DK tanks bailed last night so I had to fill tank in heroic Nerub. One of the tank trinkets dropped and I got chastised a bit for not rolling when I already have Ara Kara and Ovi.

[blazing condor]

it really is more of a min/max thing at the end of the day

nothing wrong with using tank trinkets if you prefer

mostly just that it isn't "needed"

[buoyant plank]

So I’m normally fury dps but I have full BIS for that and I’ve picked up a few off spec pieces here and there. I didn’t notice my health being an issue while wearing mostly that stuff with my trinkets, rings, and weapons swapped. As long as I keep spamming SB and IP nothing seemed to bother me much.

[blazing condor]

yea thats pretty much how it is

[buoyant plank]

Awesome. Thanks for the help!

[blazing condor]

gl

[tardy abyss]

Why not just stay pwar

Not like it makes a difference until super high keys

[tardy abyss]

If you ever get into a situation where a tank trinket could be remotely useful you very likely played incorrectly

Despite the tank nerfs into TWW tanks are still very strong

The fact that pwar is also the tankiest helps too though

[buoyant plank]

That’s good to know. So essentially we’re built to be one of the more survivable tanks as long as we don’t screw up?

[tardy abyss]

Yes

[buoyant plank]

Sounds perfect to me. I can manage that.

[tardy abyss]

We mitigate a lot of damage in exchange for selfhealing

But in tough situations we still have more than enough tools to survive

[buoyant plank]

Yeah I tossed SW a couple times last night and didn’t notice my health move at all. I should talk to our healers and ask how it was.

[tardy abyss]

At some point you will get a feeling where you need CDs and where you don't need any

[buoyant plank]

I didn’t feel like I needed them much for basic tanking but there were a couple placement mistakes where I knew I was going to take a hit so I tossed up SW.

[tardy abyss]

Knowing where you can use Spell Block instead of SW is also important, maybe you had such cases as well

[buoyant plank]

Oh good idea. I noticed I don’t use those abilities hardly. I should check my logs and take a peek.

[tardy abyss]

And spell reflect too 👀

But getting that off in pugs can be annoying

[buoyant plank]

I mostly only tank when my guild needs a raid fill for that role. I used to tank everything up into Cata then fell off into Fury because it was easier.

[tribal wharf]

witches trio in WCM destroyed my faith entirely on kicking and reflecting the correct ones

way its SUPPOSED to go

active witch = (reflect > you tank kick) and on inactive ones, dps kicks those

and groups would consantly fuck it up, even after i told them before hand

[tardy abyss]

[tribal wharf]

see, i quit wow cuz, i dont mind making those kinds of dumbass mistakes when its just me playing old ass games im only one playing it

i dunno, it just feels like im trying to play the same nintendo game with 4 other guys at the same time and we all gotta do it perfect or it doesnt work :S

i dont wanna let people down on wow no more on retail lmao

[lofty warren]

How dare you question the all mighty tier list

Tier list informs us qhat to play

[sharp gale]

But I need a tier list to know which tier list to follow

[lofty warren]

Archon s tier wowhead a tettles/dratnos f

[sharp gale]

But I understand dps m+ players who want to play the game to follow meta, because it is unplayable if you are dps in the first place and even more if not fotm

[lofty warren]

Only if you like sitting in queue for hours do you ignore

[sharp gale]

I think the key lvl squish is the number 1 thing that hurts the game tbh

Before you had 10 key lvl to prog and get dopamine, your personal season was not done after 1-2 months. Now (i think 15 is the end for pug), it’s 3 lvl to progress

[pallid quiver]

I didn't see this until now, but the main reason is to avoid wasting stacks of Thunder Blast; it only stacks up to 2, and can get consumed fairly easily

[raven sluice]

And thunderblast go Brrrrrrr, which makes my brain chemicals happy. Zug.

[violet ginkgo]

@pallid quiver since you are here I need some insight

So aside from weapon slot and trinkets all my armors are 626, rings 619. Now I am in the progress of collecting some crest so... am I crazy if I upgrade the ring first or just go with the armor piece since armor piece ilvl increase means more str+armor+stamina instead of stamina and 2nd stat if ring.

Talking about crafting

[pallid quiver]

Rings miiiiight end up giving you more damage in the long run if you craft a ring up, but I'd really just throw anything like that to sims

Both defensively and offensively, they're going to be relatively close in the end

If there's any chance of you getting M raid rings this week, obviously wait until after, but that's probably a rough bet

[violet ginkgo]

Emmm unlikely I guess.. I beat 1st and 2nd boss not getting ring, maybe tomorrow if the group up to try sikran. My best bet is waiting some ring in Vault

But again my ring is 1 heroic 4/6 and champ 8/8

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I figured that'd be the case. End goal ring technically would also be rare ring off Ansurek herself, but uh

yeah good luck getting that

[violet ginkgo]

guess I'll hold the crest first, and see what next week in vault

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, if you're tight on crests, I'd say just wait. Heroic Ansurek ring, if you have or can try for that, is likely better than most myth track rings, kneejerk would say, but I've already forgotten a lot of gear things like that by this point since I've mostly clocked out this season

But I wager it's like eggnog ring in terms of value since it gives secondaries and a cantrip effect

[violet ginkgo]

well ansurek ring also wait for the vault for sure. Killed heroic queen, no ring this week. Raid vault now is 1 myth and 2 heroic for next week.

Well damn luerce I guess ring it is.

[pallid quiver]

awww ye, get that 2k damage difference

[sharp gale]

On my hunt I crafted boots, weapon, gloves, wrists and belt because I thought the .7 ring will come sooner

It’s the next thing I craft on him

Too bad I don’t want to play him anymore

40+ farm crest dungeons vaporized

[warm plinth]

Hi

[violet ginkgo]

Hi Ghash, where have you been?

[distant scarab]

How is Colussus looking after the buffs boyss?

[uncut dome]

are prot wars back so to speak with the inc prot prot pala nmerf or are we still tier behind prot pala?

[sweet summit]

holey balaster this ergaw gamer

[distant scarab]

still behind i think

they were 30+% in dmg ahead and the nerf is <10%

[uncut dome]

well thats clsoer i guess

[cyan bronze]

Don’t think colossus is on par defensively w thane yet, but how much more would it have to be

[urban portal]

Hard to say

[urban portal]

The more tanky you are the bigger you can pull

Which just means more dps overall

[viral walrus]

Hey guys, can you tell me if this stats are good or no

[tardy abyss]

Could use more haste

[violet ginkgo]

Overall we will say not good enough but like Nome said before it's how you play.

[viral walrus]

Should i reduce versa more ?

I'm 629 ilvl btw

[violet ginkgo]

reduce versa put to crit and haste, ideally.

[tardy abyss]

You want haste on every item, everything else doesnt matter

As long as you dont stack mastery lol

[violet ginkgo]

you still want 20-25% mastery but that's it, don't go more than that

[tropic tangle]

pretty sure you still prefer crit or vers to mastery, and there is no reason right now to aim for a specific mastery range

[jagged yacht]

Is thane prot still way better than Col or can Col warrior hold up in m+?

[strong forum]

thane does so little damage 💀

[naive plaza]

new notes aren't pushing the needle for colossus enough to make it viable?

[sweet summit]

how (everyone else alive) can you LoS the fixate??

[mighty valley]

define “viable”

[sweet summit]

please explain

[cyan bronze]

Yah not exactly my question

But ya

[urban portal]

Sorry was driving

But colossus is already doing significant more damage

So if you buff the tankiness to where thane is then there’s no reason to play thane

[dense verge]

I fucking love playing Colossus

[mighty valley]

are there any specs in the game where people feel both hero specs are equally good in top keys

seems basically impossible to accomplish

[dense verge]

Survival hunter? They did just slightly nerf PL

[undone beacon]

Survival hunter feels solid with both trees in high level keys, it’s very nice

Sentinel shines a little more on dungeons with less movement and higher boss count, pack leader rips through packs and goes crazy into chain pulls

It’s quite a fun spec rn

[dense verge]

It's awesome you've like always got something, Sentinel has some CDR for your main CD so it's like 45secs bombing away and PL buffs your crit dmg by 33% so you've these big mad crits flying out

[woven crag]

is naglering worth using or should i craft a ring to replace it?

[cyan bronze]

I fucking love playing Colossus

[dense verge]

Yaaaas

[chilly brook]

You're gonna hate me but...Aug

Top chinese team plays chronowarden, other top guy plays scale commander

[tribal wharf]

what does aug buff the most

[cyan bronze]

what

[tribal wharf]

i wonder if there is another god comp that will be made with that

[jagged pier]

Never follow chinese tech its always weird

[cyan bronze]

no one I’ve talked really knows why they play cw btw

a theory is survivability

[sweet summit]

never say never 🎶

[jagged pier]

They have their own theroycrafters so u can ask tgem if u get into contact with them

[shrewd grove]

That's not a matter of "Who they buff the most." Typically a matter of "Whose CDs line up well, and do those classes cover for the weaknesses of having an Aug in the group"

[livid dawn]

Quazii just did an interview with Lizziemaguire and they spoke about CW vs scale commander. CW gameplay requires coordination with your dps and your cooldowns to line up. It is a more selfless hero talent. Scale commander doesn't require you to line up your CDs together with your dps and let's breath of aeons rip on cooldown regardless of who it lines up with. For pugs, it's always scale commander

I'm also a presevoker/Aug main

Pretty much, CW if your team is perfect, otherwise scale commander

Also scale commander has an easier time handling all the group's mechanics for the team because it has less of a rigid gameplay requirement

[chilly brook]

It's equally as good

It's just a different playstyle

arguably harder to do well

[cyan bronze]

You’re ignoring the fact that cw is just less damage

But yah

[dawn rose]

Looking at my logs for M+, alot of the damage I take is melee and physical aiblities. Aside from Riposte, I'm trying to understand how parry works in WoW (if I parry). What I'm thinking about:

• If I parry, the cooldown to my next melee switch is reduced, down to a maximum of 20% (changed)
• If I parry a mob, what happens with their attack table? With abilities, it negates the ability. However, I was also told that their melee attack is reset and they attack again immediately; is this true?

[sweet summit]

is parry haste real? i through it was a classic thing
it just negates the attack and that's it afaik

[pallid quiver]

The parry haste thing is if they parry you, anyhow, which is why it was so important for DPS to hit from behind

[dawn rose]

It could be just a classic thing. I'm trying to find references on it

But haven't been about to find anything

[pallid quiver]

Since a DPS getting parried meant the tank got slapped

and like 5 melee DPS getting parries at the same time generally was a dead tank

[dawn rose]

So, parry haste is only an NPC thing? As in, doesn't apply to player

[cyan bronze]

Believe the last point isn’t real

[pallid quiver]

it doesn't exist anymore

[cyan bronze]

Parry would be dog ass if that was a thing, no?

[pallid quiver]

If an attack is parried, it is just negated

[dawn rose]

@cyan bronze I agree, just repeating what I was told by another tank

[cyan bronze]

Yeah, but it doesn’t immediately re-auto

[pallid quiver]

The NPC parrying doesn't have swing timers reset or anything

[cyan bronze]

Tank players are brainlets man

[pallid quiver]

^^^^

[cyan bronze]

If a tank player says something that sounds mildly weird

It’s probably wrong

[pallid quiver]

The worst players of the game from everything I've seen are tank players; the worst tanks are leagues and beyond the worst DPS

[cyan bronze]

And came straight out of their ass

[dawn rose]

lol

[cyan bronze]

Yep. Even a lot of good tanks are just a bit brainletted

I mean; it makes sense

You either have to be somewhere on the idiot spectrum to play tank

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, that was only a concern in Classic; I'm pretty sure it's even gone with Cata with overall system changes? It's a good chunk of why expertise caps were important for tanks

[cyan bronze]

Some of us are just useful idiots

[pallid quiver]

so hasn't been a thing for over a decade if so

[dawn rose]

So, to your knowledge:

• parry of an ability (i.e. Singing Steel from Siege of Boralus), the abilty is simply cancelled. No further change to attack table.
• parry of a melee simply cancels the attack, and the mob has to wait the normal melee time for it's next attack in table.

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, for your damage, that's expected. The great majority of damage taken in M+ and in general comes from melee

Even with block and all out mit, melees are generally like 60% of your overall damage intake or something

[cyan bronze]

Yah

Parry just /ignore the mob for a swing

If that swing or ability applies some effect, generally it doesn’t get applied

[dawn rose]

yup that's exactly what I've seen in my logs. Simple melee is aroudn 55-60%, and then if you add melee abilities (i.e. Singing Steel), it's even higher melee dmg total

[cyan bronze]

Think there has been some things that have been parryable, but the debuff still applies? dont recall tho

tho, thats prob attributed to two part abilities

[pallid quiver]

Almost definitely that or something

[cyan bronze]

Yeah

[pallid quiver]

Or Blizz decided you can't parry something

even though you could before

[cyan bronze]

I think DHT had a few

[pallid quiver]

Like 2nd boss RLP

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, the specifics will depend on dungeon and instance, since damage profiles are 100% dependent on the specific content you're doing, but do not be surprised if raw melees are the top of your damage taken charts

[livid dawn]

Less personal damage, more damage given to the DPS

[pallid quiver]

since that's literally by design and how tanks are made to be the ones taking damage

[wheat canopy]

When do you guys refresh SB? Do you wait for it to get close to 0 or do you attack a couple SBs?

[pallid quiver]

You manage it so that you don't have useless uptime

So like don't press it before a pack dies and you have transit time somewhere

[dawn rose]

@pallid quiver @cyan bronze thank you btw ❤️

[wheat canopy]

Yeah but say you’re raiding and fighting the boss. Would you refresh with like 5 seconds left or do other things first?

Well I guess you can see the timer on when the text tank should taunt right

[pallid quiver]

you manage it so you don't have useless uptime

You want it up even while not tanking for the damage,

But you need it up at all times while actively tanking

[sharp gale]

Basically you don’t refresh for example on rash just before he fly to next pos

[wheat canopy]

Alright cool beans

[pallid quiver]

And you play around that and the encounter

It's less of a skill check these days, as even with ITF and low haste in raid you can still get like 80% uptime with literally 0 haste of your own or something like that,

[naive plaza]

meta is still thane tho? or is it like 6 in one hand half a dozen in the other?

[pallid quiver]

But the basic idea is still the same of have it up as much as possible, but 100% have it up while tanking

[pallid quiver]

colossus just got passive survival buffs to the damage intake it takes

[naive plaza]

mmmm

[pallid quiver]

it's really not that much in comparison to Thane being able to cycle Shield Wall more, which enables you to play through CD rotations better and do the bigger pulls more often

It's not like Colossus suddenly revolutionized how it plays or anything

[sharp gale]

I don’t think that will change meta talents but I might be wrong

[cyan bronze]

Well, less damage overall, looking log review

But besides the point

[cyan bronze]

It’s not; it’s certainly a welcome buff to a defensively weaker tree

[cyan bronze]

🩷

[sharp gale]

Yes ofc, I can’t wait the season they will make us play colossus I find it fun too

[cyan bronze]

I FUCKING LOVE COLOSSUS

[sharp gale]

the season tier set has revenge does X

[cyan bronze]

Yeah

Revenge gives ip equal to 100% damage dealt

[sharp gale]

I think free revenge procs giving a full IP press is the best thing to do for colossus

[cyan bronze]

Ip gained by this gives rage cdr equal to equivalent amount of rage requirement spent to get that ip

IE: if you get an ip worth 80 rage, you get 80 rage worth of cdr

That would actually make the gap between col and thane massive I imagine

[sharp gale]

Might be too strongo to have 40% of your dps free hps

[cyan bronze]

I think it would be underpowered

Let’s go for 200%

4 pc: revenge is off gcd

[sharp gale]

4p: 0 rage cost on revenge

I think no joking there will be a set : -X rage cost on revenge and does X tbh

Maybe not next patch

[cyan bronze]

I like the idea of a split tierset such that it’s not spec tied, but hero talent tied

But idk if they’ll ever consider that

[strong forum]

will not

thane still generates 40-60% more rage

[vital pollen]

For M+ is there any limit to how much haste we want? Or is it just haste for days. I'm not sure how to sim it because my understanding is it also relates to mitigation

[strong forum]

if you want to survive