protection

[scarlet stone]

That part actually didn't really hurt at all when I leveld my paladin last week. Got 3 crafts made in like 2 days.

[plush tendon]

Blizz has made a conscious effort to say '619 is the I level for casual alts. Anything passed that we are gonna make you rip out molars for'

[cyan bronze]

idk feels like blizz made so many regressive decisions this season

[lusty grotto]

except you probably no lifed spammed keys for it

[heavy eagle]

Ahhhh thank you. I didn't think this. Appreciate it

[lusty grotto]

which is what IM complaining baout

[scarlet stone]

Most people also have a sac by now so if you just jump in to arak 10-11s then you get it traded to you for free 😛

[lusty grotto]

because fuck that shit

[plush tendon]

the best thing they could do is make the Harbinger of the Giled achievement be like 636 or 632

[lusty grotto]

theres literally no other way to get that many gilded

[cyan bronze]

also can we talk about ara kara spiders for a moment my brothers

you know you could cc them on beta and not break the circle(initially, on the first round of testing, you couldn’t, and they changed it)

and then they reverted it

[scarlet stone]

Yeah the harbringer of the gilded achievement is fucking troll if you don't raid mythic full clear then you will not get that achievement this season.

[plush tendon]

you dont have to prog mythic

but 4/8 Mythic every week

[golden dagger]

does anyone utilize whirlwind at all as a tank?

[plush tendon]

is like required to make it feasiable

[scarlet stone]

Even 4/8 you'll barely fill your slots

[lusty grotto]

no

remove from bars

[plush tendon]

4/8 gives you access to 40 crests every week, the rare items (big crest saves) and tier from raid vault (which are higher I level)

[scarlet stone]

There is probably a very high % chance that even if you've been clearning 4/8M since week 1, that you won't finish harbinger.

for main the crests aren't the issue at all

[plush tendon]

obviously, requires some luck of the rolls

[tulip remnant]

It’s the myth piece RNG

[scarlet stone]

It's the myth track

[plush tendon]

yea, the big issue is getting myth pieces in every slot

[scarlet stone]

The odds of not getting a myth track in every slot even with 4/8M is incredibly high.

[cyan bronze]

crests aren’t the issues it’s the fact that if you don’t raid mythic you have to rng 16? pieces of gear from vault

[plush tendon]

which is dumb cause like I have crafted bracers... why do I need to get myth track bracers I will never use?

[cyan bronze]

blizzard doesn’t want you to have fun

[scarlet stone]

tbh if the harbinger ach required 626, I think that would not have any real downsides

while making it much more realistic to achieve for what is simply an ALT CATCHUP mechanic.

[lusty grotto]

alts should get discounted when you max shit on your main

0 crests, all garbagestones

[scarlet stone]

Well they do get discount when you max shit on your main, but that's the problem with the gilded discount.

[lusty grotto]

not discounted

0 crests

[scarlet stone]

Even Dratnos getting intentionally funneled specifically for the achievement, hasn't finished it yet.

Yeah I'd prefger 0 too for sure, especially for that runed crest part lol

[lusty grotto]

yea

and GILDED

[tulip remnant]

Would make M+ meta more stable if it was effortless to swap toons

[scarlet stone]

but the gilded one simply isn't achievable outside of the 0.01%. Which doesn't seem useful for what is meant to help alts.

[lusty grotto]

kinda wild this expansion was supposed to be more alt friendly, and while it is is slightly more than the past, its still hard-stops you on different fronts

coincidentally

its the expansion im playing less on alts

and ive kept my big 6 too

i just dont fucking play them

cause whats the point

[scarlet stone]

To be fair it really has felt pretty effortless to reroll both my druid and paladin, runeds were the only thing that genuinely upset me.

[lusty grotto]

broi

you spammed

M+

again

if you had NO ISSUE with gilded

[tulip remnant]

I don’t want to suffer more.

[lusty grotto]

you spammed the shit out of m+

[scarlet stone]

Yeah but like farming 11-12s on a fresh toon just feels like playing the game

Doesn't feel nearly as much of a choire.

[lusty grotto]

how is that "effortless"?

its a chore

youre just not seeing it that way

but eventually you will

for 4 seasons

[scarlet stone]

It's essentially playing the game doing dungeons for fun at that point, while doing 4-7s genuinely feels like a chore because you're either carrying droolers or pulling packs so large that die before you even touch them.

[lusty grotto]

ive spammed M+ on alts

well 3 cause i sort of gave up on this one

3 min alts fully decked

5 at most

its fucking ridiculous

no more

especially now with the gearing speed

and i say 3-4 seasons because thats when the whole gear upgrade system started

ive been alt-ing for WAY longer than that

[scarlet stone]

Okay so the main reason it doesn't feel like as much of a chore to farm 10-11s on a fresh alt than it does to farm 4-7s, is because you're also farming hero track gear and gilded crests at the same time and doing content that is at least semi-challenging so it is still engaging.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i remember feeling that way too

[scarlet stone]

While 4-7s feel like a chore because it's so fucking easy you just turn your brain off

[lusty grotto]

back when gearing wasnt as slow 🙂

whatever

i just dont have time for this shit anymore

again, on the most "alt friendly" exp yet

probably never gonna spam keys on alts, or even try to

[scarlet stone]

It's the difference of completing 2 chores that provide the highest reward you can obtain in a setting that is still engaging, compared to having to do content that only completes 1 chore that provides a low tier reward that you're forced to progress through.

[lusty grotto]

i just do 4 on my pally, and its done for the week

[scarlet stone]

Yeah I mean I do 0 on my druid now

[lusty grotto]

ggs

also i fucking hate prot pally

[scarlet stone]

I only do either push keys or 0 on the warrior

[lusty grotto]

which is why my pally is only ret + holy

still stands

[scarlet stone]

The thing I dislike about prot pally is having to do TWO GCDs to get your block value.

everything else about it feels fantastic.

[lusty grotto]

i actually have to do a revision to that

cause dotc is actually fun

[scarlet stone]

You have so much agency both for yourself but ALSO to contribute to the survival of your group with wog/sac/sw/etc.

while warrior only having intervene feels bad when you can't make a proper impact on your group surviving.

while the rotation and survival feels fantastic which is great.

I just really hate having to AS AND WoG both on the GCD before tank busters. Compared to all of warrior's options are off GCD except demo shout, which is 1.

Maybe the real problem I have is that the WoG block buff is only 5s so it's a pretty tight window and can often fail to overlap multiple hits such as in GB shadowflame slashes+molten fists.

[hoary pivot]

Rally: „Am I a joke to you?“

[scarlet stone]

:yes:

[smoky anvil]

I treat rally as a placebo for my healer to stress less

[scarlet stone]

Despite rally being technically better than intervene since it's group wide, it feels strictly worse. I intervene the enh for an aoe / bolt and I know I'm making them survive. I press rally for an aoe? Don't feel the same confidence.

[hoary pivot]

Rally is a good enough group defensive for a lot of mechanics. Also just fine to press for pulls that randomly chunk group members, like the snipers in SoB. Feels impactful.

[orchid frigate]

Love the advice I get from dps when they think I’ve played bad in a key: “go watch MDI”

[remote tusk]

less or more?

[mighty valley]

more is always fine this season

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

That negative verse tho

[remote tusk]

?

[bleak breach]

1%

[remote tusk]

It's 0.57%

[bleak breach]

How you manage to keep it that low? Haha

[remote tusk]

Cursed Haste + only Crit/Haste gear.

Only Vers comes from tier helm.

And gem.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormrage/Pascal

[bleak breach]

Ahh so you’re intentionally trying to avoid it?

[remote tusk]

Probably too much, idk.

[bleak breach]

Fair enough

[scarlet stone]

Rookie numbers

[remote tusk]

Now show the rest xd

[rough fiber]

guys, any chance on reflecting Chasmal Gash on Ky'veza?

[remote tusk]

Also you have 3000 more rating but the same on Haste

[scarlet stone]

your screenshot likely has itf

[remote tusk]

4000 even.

Look at actual from rating, lots of diminishing on yours.

[scarlet stone]

ITF is not rating

no

it's just itf

you have 4 stacks in your screenshot

[remote tusk]

Yes

34.37%

vs 37.08%

With Embellishment 10 stacks, no oil. Then we're pretty close ^^

[scarlet stone]

Why not flask at that point lol

[remote tusk]

This is with flask

[scarlet stone]

ah

[cyan bronze]

Erhrm. I have a bigger internet haste number than you 🤓 👆

[remote tusk]

+5% Size

But these numbers already at this point.

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum what would it take for collossus to be meta

in keys

3% dr per stack of col might?

[untold bane]

Does "magic damage" which Storm Shield absorbs mean Fire, Frost, Shadow, Nature, Arcane?

[pallid quiver]

magic damage is pretty much everything not physical

So Fire, Frost, Chaos, Shadow, Nature, Arcane, Frostfire, and whatever the hell else you can find

For the record, Spell Reflect's DR portion works on all of those, as well

[heavy sparrow]

What about poisons or bleeda

Bleeds

[pallid quiver]

Bleeds are a type of physical damage

And poisons are usually nature damage

Poison is a type of effect, not a damage type

[fallow wind]

too much haste? after it starts giving DR?

[pallid quiver]

Poisons inflict some kind of damage type, usually nature, and bleeds are also a damage type, but are pretty universally physical that bypasses armor

[mighty valley]

Haste is good enough that you don’t really need to care about the first DR threshold

[pallid quiver]

You can still get more value from haste even past multiple of the DR points

[fallow wind]

Once i get 4 stacks of ITF, plus pots, then the affix, i see up to 70% haste lol

[shrewd grove]

No such thing

[strong forum]

Give it the DF s1 4pc tierset bonus and increased rage gen on shield slam or smth

[shrewd grove]

DF s1 tier set would go crazy

[strong forum]

For colossus it would actually be good!

Colossus' weakness is the rage gen and the fact that you ideally dont want to use ignore pain

So giving you extra ways to generate IP would certainly be a good thing

[plush tendon]

just starting Queen prog

with Prot War and BDK.... who takes feast

and who takes liquidfy

[hardy snow]

imo bdk is better for feast to quickly heal absorb

[round pendant]

gd I need to get more keybinds

I have 3 bars

not enough for shaman

time to add zxcvfgrt

[smoky anvil]

finally got over my anxiety and timed a 13

[edgy viper]

Just got my Warrior to 80, anyone have some efficient ways to gear one up?

[mighty valley]

Crafting if you've got money, delves can get you functional without having to party, otherwise just raid and key at the highest level you can I guess

[edgy viper]

Greens from AH got me to 570, but i couldn't even get invited to M0 at that ilvl

What ilvl does a delve drop?

[mighty valley]

603

[edgy viper]

even on the low end of delves?

[mighty valley]

champ 3/8

that's the max at 8

which you should be able to do in entry level gear

will be good practice

also puts hero 3/6 gear in the great vault if you can sneak in a few before reset

[edgy viper]

ok ty sir/madam.

[woven ice]

bountiful delves the easiest, can do 8’s really easy as prot around 570ish it just takes a minute for the boss fight

[jagged gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LFgbahvADJ1p6X3Q#fight=last&type=damage-done

Getting a little better every day

still not spell blocking half as much as I should

[violet ginkgo]

should we give some tier set to prot where Execute also cast Thunderclap like what arms got in the DF S3?

[near briar]

holy shit

this spec rules in pvp

i can be the sword and board dps ive always wanted to be

[jagged pier]

Not as good as it was in legion

[strong forum]

It is crazy how hard execute hits for us in pvp yeah

Very fun

[old basin]

is this trinket good ?

[jagged pier]

no

[old basin]

rip

[unkempt hazel]

me fighting my anxiety to get into a +8

[jagged pier]

[wintry bough]

Just need to practice

Not sure why people stress too much on these and doing keys as everything in life takes practice and time

[unkempt hazel]

I just cant handle the pressure of de facto leadership ig

[tardy abyss]

Try to find a team, there you dont have to play the leadership role

[unkempt hazel]

I suppose I should

[wintry bough]

Anxiety is the biggest problem of this generation

Experience is not built over night and it takes lots of time and fails to actually reach perfection (if possible)

[unkempt hazel]

I was anxious b4 it was cool

[wintry bough]

If you brick a key no problem go next address what went wrong and fix it

Don’t pick up what anyone says try to take only what’s constructive and move on mate

[blazing condor]

no better teacher than mistakes

just gotta go in there and suck until you dont suck as much

[wintry bough]

Life is too short to worry about what other people say / think

High keys take practice to finish

If even pros do 400+ pulls on a boss why you expect yourself to do them on the first?

[unkempt hazel]

cuz im better than them /s

[wintry bough]

Yea right

[unkempt hazel]

trust me bro

mom said im the best

she never lie

but ur right I gotta just yolo it

good luck to the poor groups I apply to

[wintry bough]

I usually do my own keys

And try to get good rated dps and healer

You can learn from them a lot

Also one important thing is to have an idea of the routes and how you should pull the packs that’s really quick information on raider.io

I started playing retail around 3 months ago and this way I’m already pushing +12-13’s its really not rocket science just be open to learn

[unkempt hazel]

is there a better route source

for uhh.. pug/casual groups kinda of thing

the rio routes are so weird

wait nvm that wasnt rio

there was some db route where u go all over the city picking up mobs in places I've never seen anyone go to

[wintry bough]

In cot I go to the right after I go up the stairs that’s what I’ve seen working best

[sweet summit]

left owns

[unkempt hazel]

ok ill go center /s

[fallow hinge]

whats the damage diff between col and MT for raid?

[remote tusk]

mountain thane look cooler

[rocky crest]

Just a general question about selling keys, is it tabu or not ? Is it only reserved for the "elitist?"

since 10's are not that hard to do and it's tons of gold

[tardy abyss]

There are people with only 2.7k rio boosting keys

Should they do it? Prob not, they barely timed it themselves probably lol

But they do it and it works apparently

[jagged pier]

boosting is fine always has been but its a lot more merky now

[tardy abyss]

merky?

[jagged pier]

like u cant boost across server

its now against the ToS

but everyone still does

[tardy abyss]

oh

[jagged pier]

blizz generally

go aftewr the orgs like ppl that receve huge amounts of money from ppl are getting banned again

but the odd person who boosts keys dont

as I said merky

if u dont want to risk your account just dont do it

but boosting has and always will be part of the game

[crude flame]

I've read some people recommending macroing Shield block into shield slam, is just a way of not having to pay attention to shield block? is it recommended to do that macro? Would the macro be a simple /cast shield block /cast shield slam?

[strong forum]

Depending on gear colossus Sims 5% more
Colossus however can snipe quick add spawns more with demolish for disproportionate dmg gains

[jagged pier]

that is not a recommened macro

do not use it

[strong forum]

Blizz legit only wanted to signal boost with banning the few orgs

But boosting is as big as ever except gold payouts and everything is infinitely easier now

Your average man is turbo fine, it's only the admins who RMT who are even remotely "in danger"

[crude flame]

may I ask why is it a thing?

[jagged pier]

nah depends how u do it tbh, and old guild i used to be in still runs boosts but they have had to change the process as the GM was at risk as he was recieveing all the payment at once and then spliting it

the org told him to change that

[jagged pier]

i dont know where ppl have got it from or why they are giving it as advice, as its not coming from here

[round pendant]

2.7k is more than enough to boost +10s

the amount of 600k dps andies I've carried and still 2 chested

[strong forum]

There's alot of people boosting keys, who should not be boosting keys

[round pendant]

That's true I suppose

but are their customers happy?

that's all that matters in the end

[tardy abyss]

Most of the time I suppose

I mean, if theyre not the boosters get a penalty

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old basin]

after i do the dungeon on 10

where do i find the portal ?

[zinc garnet]

spellbook, general tab, they are grouped by expansion

[old basin]

ah

i wonder if theres a weak aura that i can click on the mythic+ tab

[zinc garnet]

there is

[old basin]

give me ?

[zinc garnet]

at work so can't access it

[old basin]

i think i found it

https://wago.io/ta0H8fHbk

[zinc garnet]

yup

[old basin]

thanks

[broken shoal]

I keep seeing and correcting it on the /r/wownoob subreddit when people ask for pwarr advice

[left basalt]

how do you skip the pack after pull16?

[nimble laurel]

Rogue or invis pots

[cyan bronze]

invis, soothe, rogue

gateway

[nimble laurel]

You can also do it instead of pull 16 but it's risky at high keys. Party members will die.

[left basalt]

are invis pots on the combat pot cd?

[cyan bronze]

yer

[left basalt]

double snipers or something?

[cyan bronze]

isnt it quadra

[crude flame]

Soo...guys, I'm trying to do every m+10 in time with my warrior tank (617 current at the ilevel), until now I only struggled finding parties, because for the rating and the ilevel (although my main has 26xx rating) people would reject me, and I managed to do without issues Dawnbreaker, Arakara (both two chested), Boralus and Stonevault...but today I gleefuly went to Grim Batol and god, every pack there would destroy me

[nimble laurel]

Yeah, 4-5

[cyan bronze]

Some do

[crude flame]

I could barely survive

when in the rest of the m+10 that I've done until now I felt almost immortal

[cyan bronze]

linings, do not

o thats a crazy necro

[nimble laurel]

Do you have a spell reflect weakaura and/or nameplates? There are so many tank busters from trash that can be reflected.

[cyan bronze]

jundies has reflectable casts on nameplates

[crude flame]

Ihave spell reflect weakaura but for some reason did not activate in grim batol at all

[plush tendon]

Grim Batol has a lot of heavy tank damage

[nimble laurel]

It's amazing

[toxic gyro]

Check out spell reflect sheet. A lot of big sr in there and spell block/wall whenever it’s not up.

[crude flame]

and I've been using it A LOT in the rest of m+

[plush tendon]

but, Prot War is giga for GB

[cyan bronze]

uh

[plush tendon]

just gotta know when to use reflect

[cyan bronze]

there is a massive sr there

sfs

[crude flame]

anyhow, the damage in grim batol is easily twice that of Stonevault, lol

[cyan bronze]

if ur not reflecting prob ye

[nimble laurel]

Your group also has to interrupt

[cyan bronze]

here are all the packs w a flamerender in batol

u can also sr deflect the lava fist in the mid sect

[plush tendon]

Stonevault has become much more fun for me

except the last hallway

fuck that hallway

[cyan bronze]

if u arent sr'ing those casts

[crude flame]

they were interrupting very little, and I told them to interrupt more, which I don't like because people gets mad easy if you tell them "what to do"

[plush tendon]

granted, Im a weekly 10 key andy

[crude flame]

anyway, we went to the first boss, they kept dying until I was alone and we wiped and that was the end

[plush tendon]

[crude flame]

but until there I felt like paper

[cyan bronze]

if they die to first boss

i mean

[toxic gyro]

Spell block and chill

[cyan bronze]

what can you do

ill sometimes play disrupting shout in grimbatol

i dont think its entirely worth it

but i think its a fun button to press in batol

[nimble laurel]

Have a log or screenshot of details overall buff uptime?

[crude flame]

would this count?

[cyan bronze]

Ignoror Dolar 🔥

I fucking love spanish

[crude flame]

this is the global, those where last boss

[nimble laurel]

Shield block uptime is a little low

[cyan bronze]

[plush tendon]

SB uptime is not really a good indicator

you wanna look at % of hits blocked

via a log

[nimble laurel]

You have to take what you can get

[plush tendon]

true

details is just super incomplete; if you can, get a log

[crude flame]

Also have logs, but I dunno how to link them

[round pendant]

go to the website

[nimble laurel]

On that note though, GB is one dungeon due to its tight halls it can be easy to accidentally get hit in the back when pulling multiple packs (especially if charging or intervening mid-pull). That would be another thing to look out for if you feel like paper on the trash.

[crude flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRYpXr9qMBzc4jdP

here

[round pendant]

GB +10 was the easiest dungeon for me

very chill as a tank

[round pendant]

that's one boss, can't you upload the whole dungeon?

[crude flame]

does dbm autolog trash encounters?

[round pendant]

prob not

that's why I use Loggerhead

[crude flame]

This is my log file

of today

loggerhead is an addon or a thirdparty?

[round pendant]

Anyway if you're dying in GB it's prob due to lack of kicks or a bad healer

Reave is like the only thing that hurts

use spell reflect and block liberally

[round pendant]

Addon

lets you automatically start logging in dungeons/raids and stops when you leave

[crude flame]

installed it right now

[crude flame]

that was one factor for sure, there were very little int errupts

[cyan bronze]

grim batol lowkey the chillest dung for war

[round pendant]

when you go into an instance for the first time it'll ask if you want to log it (and it'll automatically do so forevermore)

[cyan bronze]

if u werent spell reflecting in gb tho

its gonna be painful

[crude flame]

I swear I have a WA for spell reflect but it wasn't showing anything T_T

[round pendant]

just press it

it's magic def

[cyan bronze]

funnily enough, with the flamerenders

[crude flame]

this motherfuckeeerrr

[cyan bronze]

u can actually cheese them and get them on every set

sr-> next set/cc it->sr

[jagged pier]

if u only press SR when that comes up

your using it incorrectly

[cyan bronze]

is it better to use on the fist?

[jagged pier]

yes

[cyan bronze]

if theyre desync'd that is

gotcha

ty for that, have been priotizing the slash

[crude flame]

why? edit: okay wasn't telling that to me

[jagged pier]

depends if u pull slash mobs too i guess

[jagged pier]

well number 1 it tells when u can not if u should there could be a bigger and better SR coming next

and SR isnt just a spell reflect is a magic DR

[cyan bronze]

ya i usually do try to cc slash to sync slash with fist

[jagged pier]

if u only press it when u get that

u arent presing it on any magic damage u cant reflect or deflect

but can still mitigate with it

[crude flame]

yeah, I get that

but it's a good help that tells you you're being targetted by an spell you can reflect

it also shows in bosses like the first one of Necrotic Wake

[cyan bronze]

[jagged pier]

its as good as a list of spells thats in it

and of course it shows on the first boss u can deflect that

but if u arent intervening its pointless

that WA is more for dps

as they get targetted by far less stuff than tanks do

BIG case in point was HoI in DF that told u too SR the knockback

[crude flame]

I learned here yesterday to intervene there, I'm doing it now!

[jagged pier]

not the channel that came straight after

[cyan bronze]

sheet says you cant deflect it

hmm

[jagged pier]

u literally intervene the target

[cyan bronze]

ig just the dr

[jagged pier]

press

[cyan bronze]

no im aware

[jagged pier]

no damage

[cyan bronze]

but can't deflect the damage on yourself

correct?

[jagged pier]

correct but there u go then if it shows on first boss of NW that WA is wrong or old cause u used to be able to stop the mechanic

with SR

[cyan bronze]

ahh

i c

[wraith totem]

At the beginning of the season I was watching Yoda and kira for prot warrior runs but they both changed to prot Pala.
Is there a high rank Prot warrior streamer out there I can watch for routes and tips and tricks?

[violet ginkgo]

I see those ppl are just flavor of the meta.

[jagged pier]

they arent high io prots they are high io pushers they will play whats 'meta'

[sharp gale]

That Chinese prot zippok is a meta pusher?

[jagged pier]

might not be a meta pusher

but he a good 100-200 score behind the top ppl

[wraith totem]

Does he stream?

[sharp gale]

WHO cares about his io compared to tops

[wraith totem]

I have been struggling to find any YouTube videos or streams of prot war

[jagged pier]

u got sense

and thats about it

[heavy sparrow]

He is tops

[sharp gale]

When I come home, I Will try to find if he streams/where

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-box-choice-riddle-game-show-gif-25473764

Vault Day

[sharp gale]

He is not, or he is the top prot pal too?

[jagged pier]

hes top io warrior i think is what he means

but literally everyone below him is like 50-100 less on warrior as they all likely swapped to pala

expect sense whose just doing chill 15s

looks like hes looking for a group and still in top 10

[wraith totem]

Can you give me his link?

[jagged pier]

should be on the server somewhere there used to be a place where ppls info was listed

[soft tusk]

I know "sim it"

how good is this defensively? better than Court's defensive trink?

[tardy abyss]

GB generally isnt that challenging as a tank imo

Except that one big pull before the 2nd lavabender after the 2nd boss

[smoky anvil]

Refracting sucks

Sorry

[obsidian frost]

Unless you forget to spell reflect then that shit hurts lol

[tardy abyss]

well yeah, but thats a skill issue

[violet ginkgo]

well but once the SR down we have to think a bit before it comes back up again

[tardy abyss]

Spell Block

You dont need it often

And when you do need it more often you should always have wall ready anyway

[violet ginkgo]

that's what i mean by think aka blow another some good defensive.

but sometimes I wonder in GB if there is some mob that hurts DOT wise

or put some nasty debuff like the early mob, overseer I believe?

[tardy abyss]

The slashers do big initial hits + nasty dot

Which is what you wanna SR the most

Otherwise theres only skullsplitter from first boss which is physical damage

[zenith sierra]

Quick question, greetings everyone. Which would be best pick for Vault? Shield Mythic upgrading from 636 crafted, or Shoulder Mythic from Shoulder hero?

[tardy abyss]

The latter

[zenith sierra]

K, ty!

[violet ginkgo]

for me I prefer shield mythic then 639 and never ever again open as prot

[zenith sierra]

True, need to think then, maybe waiting for see which items will get on raid

[violet ginkgo]

I mean think about it odra, you want to open vault and filled with bad defensive trinkets?

Get shield 639 it then starting next week open as fury for 1h and some other juicy offensive trinks

[zenith sierra]

good point, i didn't realize that part

thanks!

[violet ginkgo]

@tribal wharf the sacbrood drama is over

[crude flame]

the problem is that with my luck, mythic weapon and shield will be the last things to pop in the vault

[violet ginkgo]

well same

[heavy sparrow]

Now you can finally play the game

[muted arch]

what're y'all doing here?

also have heroic track chest but i guess thats irrelevant

[violet ginkgo]

It is relevant though I mean if you sim probably it can give highest boost if you go from heroic 626 chest to myth 639 chest

Also for trinket... I lean toward Mark rather than Organ.

[muted arch]

yeah you're right actually chest is biggest boost, but i figure trinkets are more rare

what are our bis trinkets now?

[brazen glacier]

Speaking of trinkets, replace a same ilevel trinket with sacbrood, or go with a +10 ilevel chest + 4pc?

[wild chasm]

Sacbrood isn't even myth so I'd go with 4pc

[round wolf]

Worst Vault yet
2x 623 Shields 10s farmed for no reason

Already got the sheild last week

I suppose I could replace my crafted belt

[violet ginkgo]

This is where you wrong, once you got shield you should open as Fury or Arms

[violet ginkgo]

I'd go extra +13 ilvl chest (to 619 instead of 616) because surely you are not going to let it just 616 right? the runed crest is easy to get, so get the extra 3 ilvl.

[violet ginkgo]

Uhh... pretty sure nome's wowhead page is updated. If you are not sure you can always ask the person himself.

[heavy sparrow]

A fine week today bois

Mythic gloves or mythic helmet?

[tardy abyss]

Could also just pug 1st boss mythic lol

[muted arch]

Fastest valor stone farm?

[violet ginkgo]

mythic pug not reliable T_T

[tardy abyss]

The first 3 are very puggable

[heavy sparrow]

I guess I'll grab globes

Gloves

[violet ginkgo]

sim it first

put it on max upgrade and either you should convert to tier piece or not.

[heavy sparrow]

I guess I really do need to learn how to sim huh

[tardy abyss]

Im almost certain its head because of the stats

ilvl > all

[heavy sparrow]

@tardy abyss true

[round wolf]

Ah
Will do that next week then

[heavy sparrow]

Gloves would be the better upgrade since 619 is less than 626

[tardy abyss]

Eh, the head would still give you more net stats

[terse torrent]

Which one is better? I'm currently at 620, I've got crafted 636 belt and my only mythic piece so far is set pants. According to WoWHead, the amulet is BiS but its hero, while the trinket is C tier, but is mythic and can be upgraded.

[mighty valley]

the trinket is pretty bad, i'd just take neck

[opal rivet]

+avoidance, easy pick

[violet ginkgo]

neck for sure

trinket is C tier and won't do a thing even if you upgrade it

[terse torrent]

ok, thanks for the input

[cyan bronze]

do you guys run HR in SoB?

sb uptime feels kinda jank there with 3x -15% hastes

[heavy oasis]

Hello guys, this is the max shield i got from this trinket hero. Instead on my paladin, it is champion, i reach over 4m shield. Some of you got this problem aswell or im bugged af?

[coral inlet]

anyone out there use mark/shard as trink over sac/1?

[jagged pier]

u use them with sac

not over sac

[desert grail]

the tooltip has to be wrong for this embellishment dmg right

[coral inlet]

ah kk

but the siM!!!

[jagged pier]

depends what the other trinket is i guess

and how u sim

but shard and krados are great for m+

line up with cds everytime

[remote anchor]

what makes you say that?

[opaque bronze]

is it worth dropping vers for these gloves?

[desert grail]

because this is what the tooltip says on other ppls armory

[blazing condor]

Never

The 361 vers weighs more than the 12k other stats you get

[opaque bronze]

ok ty thats what i was thinking

[blazing condor]

[heavy sparrow]

Are all c LVL trinkets bad or worse over A or B level trinkets that are hero track?

[mighty valley]

there's no hard and fast rule but i'd def use mandate over chelicera

[keen hound]

am I cooked with these stat weights if I want to switch from fury to prot? Ill craft a shield

[mighty valley]

you'll be alright, you'll just want to slowly switch to more haste pieces as you get them

[keen hound]

sweet thanks, going to replace the skarm shard with a myth track hook

[heavy sparrow]

Tier items will change when you spec prot

[tropic tangle]

only the bonuses

[heavy sparrow]

Kk

[tardy abyss]

That's a massive downgrade

Unless your shard is super low ilvl

[slender wedge]

should i take myth head with socket, or skarmorak shard myth? (have it on hero)

[tardy abyss]

Do you raid?

If yes you have another way to get a myth track helmet, otherwise simming is the best way to figure it out

[jagged pier]

always tier

[tired forge]

didnt have time for keys this week, would you guys take myth Ceaseless Swarmgland or a socket?

[wary tangle]

I have the 636 everforged defender and Old-blood hielaman at myth track droped in my vault. Worth taking over a myth piece that replaces a 619 ?

[tired forge]

those are my trinkets

[long berry]

!plater

[jagged gust]

Socket

[tired forge]

yaaaaaaaaa i went swarmgland bc my dumb ass was only going to get 4 tokens lol

[jagged gust]

Ooof

Well free ilvl I guess

[tired forge]

that was my thought lol

meh im 631, i dont really need anything lol

[jagged gust]

Yeah end of season vault blues

I remember pretty much every season around this time I'll literally need 1 piece of myth armor and it's gonna avoid me at all costs until the week before the next season

[tired forge]

i got all myth now

[shrewd vapor]

Heyo folks.

I need a name for my tauren warrior. Prot.

Renaming him - not really into "cow" names lol, but still let em fly lol.

Help please 🙂

[plush tendon]

Moofasa

[lofty warren]

Fatcoweat

[remote anchor]

kungen

[blazing condor]

beefboss

alternatively some tryhard RP name like ironhoof

[lofty warren]

Can name it something political and then wonder why half the ppl you encounter are mad at you

[blazing condor]

moozedong

or mootin

[lofty warren]

I'm jk probably not a great idea

[blazing condor]

cowjongun

[urban bane]

Beohoof or idk Roger or maybe Ignatius seem like nice names for someone.

[red dock]

Is there some trick to solo handling second Rime Dagger or is that just a prot pally thing

[wicked ridge]

claimed!

here someone can have a motorbike as a reward for still playing this god awful spec

[rancid tiger]

Hoofsong

Beohorn

[proven plume]

why are you solo handling the 2nd one?

[red dock]

Im not, just saw some other people able to do it. Obviously all of them are playing prot pally so probably just something they can do

[lofty warren]

This shit not work

[wicked ridge]

someone prob yoinked it already

[tardy abyss]

Spell Block can deal with both

[tardy abyss]

I usually keep shield wall for the 2nd also

[red dock]

Gotcha, ty

[fiery gale]

warri is the kind of tank you can also play when super drunk

i like that

[next pebble]

is this trinket any good?

[jagged pier]

nope

[cyan bronze]

hey its probably better than a 250 ilvl trinket

[red dock]

Does anyone know if you can mind soothe the pack beside the second shadecaster in CoT and walk past it?
I know sleep walk works

[chilly brook]

Mind soothe works

But I play evoker so kekw

[fiery gale]

carryvoker

or rather carried-voker

[jagged gust]

How come my log put me at 917k DPS in a SV 10 but on the leaderboard it knocks me down to 826k?

[heavy sparrow]

What spec should we choose for prot war?

[jagged gust]

patchwerk 1 target 5min, 5 target 90sec (Personally I just do both at 5min to normalize values)

[tribal wharf]

engineering 100

[fiery gale]

Which of your fight goes 5 min tho?

[jagged gust]

Most raid bosses

Your values will change every 30 seconds, just give yourself a standard baseline to make comparisons

[fiery gale]

Ah yeah forgot about raising

Raiding

[tulip ruin]

i need opinion from big dawgs

[jagged gust]

@blazing condor

[tulip ruin]

https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Pelotte

i got Spare Meat hook 626 in my vault ( nothing else sadly ) would you replace it for the Larynx

sim a bit better -200 instead of -430 something

but feel like larynx could hit more, but the hook could be helpful in like NW

[jagged gust]

without even simming it, meat hook is gonna look good in ST and worse in aoe at equal ilvls and start to differentiate due to myth over champion

Myth Meat hook is probably the call until you can find a replacement

[tulip ruin]

and i dont raid.. so best possible mythic upgrade would be the shard from ST?

i really need to farm the guilded for crafting my 636 weapon.. im starting to lose aggro in high key with people over 8m dps O.O

grip could also be another kick itself

[jagged gust]

Man lucky you, I had 10mil group overall in first pull of a 10 NW last night, and a third of that was me

[tulip ruin]

bro i still dont finish most of keys cause of every mangaloid its a 1/20 situation

[jagged gust]

I'm still rocking 626 sword and board, all my crafted gear went to fury and I'm not chancing a vault slot on a defensive trinket

Threat hasn't been an issue yet

[tulip ruin]

pugs are a good reason to get the hook too i guess.. a 6th kick XD

[jagged gust]

hook doesnt work like that

it just links you until you step too far away, then it breaks iirc

[tulip ruin]

ohhh i thought it was like a dk grip

[jagged gust]

nah just a dot that breaks when you leave melee

[heavy sparrow]

Do we really use battle stance?

[jagged gust]

+3% crit

Personally I just sit in def stance because I'm lazy, but if you're min maxing your damage you still want to stance dance depending on your damage intake

[tulip ruin]

that was a mistake probably D: i do not ever, not even on my bar

i actually dont play ravager i doubt its my logs xD

[heavy sparrow]

Really?

I was looking at ravager to take off actually

[jagged gust]

ravager is a good swap talent for BSV if you want to take it

[heavy sparrow]

Interesting

@jagged gust BSV?

[jagged gust]

battle scarred veteran

The "oops I fucked up" talent

[heavy sparrow]

Lmao

[timber nest]

thoughts?

[heavy sparrow]

Maybe I'll try speccing binto bleeds 2/2 10 % damage talent

[vital plinth]

any thoughts on double focus lens for arms/fury in raid/m+.. im a prot main and was lookin and i see that the top prot warriors in raid are going double focus lens. its a bit more dmg but i run keys with my friends and sometimes i dps would double focus lens be aight in keys or raid?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/63603234

[fleet flicker]

@strong forum any tips on gathering the first pull ara?

[urban portal]

Not a great talent

Both thane and colossus can find more damage elsewhere

[strong forum]

Uuuuhh, hit everything, don't stop, to signal that you're not just doing a baby pull, then hug the left side after web immediately and/or leap over to the miniboss

Rest is in God's hands

If singular mobs break loose taunt+heroic throw it, once every mob is around you either you have enough dmg or just aoe taunt for good measure

Stormbolt the resonant cast of a caster if its in Africa, shockwave when all mobs are kinda close together so dps/healer gets a breather to collect themselves

Cuz there's alot happening in that pull, so the shockwave sync can help people to focus/position

[strong forum]

Focus lense is minimal ST dmg gain, dusk/dawn is recommended for aoe/keys

[strong forum]

Not worth for a vault slot to choose it, the myth chest is better

[heavy sparrow]

yes

I do

Carry all the way down to the first set of bats and start there as a base start

Then pull the next set on your left and the adds in the center, then pull the rest after they are half down

[strong forum]

Fonkee typing up an entire essay

[lavish rivet]

I was driving, fuck.

I think nomer got the gist, tbh.

[strong forum]

Don't text and drive!

[lavish rivet]

I didn't! Only thing I would add is to find a comfortable movement sequence while preserving threat as well as possible. Try to position engorged crawlers such that there's a safespot that they can explode while avoid cone if you don't have a tailor.

[strong forum]

If your dps are smart, they hug the edge

The big spider never shoots outwards

Literal safespot

[vital plinth]

yeah i was lookin at the prot wars that killed later mythic bosses alot use double focus lens. unsure if i should just go dawn or lens for raid. we got brood to 3% and she dies tonight xD

[lavish rivet]

Make sure your group hangs back a hair before dismount, avoid HotS. It's embarassing when your rsham riptides you and dies to threat while you're off in Narnia, nothing you can do there but use /p

[strong forum]

Go double stats

It's only 0.3% better (depending on gear) to get lense

[fleet flicker]

don't listen to nom he's stinky

[strong forum]

Bitch I bathe

[vital plinth]

xD

[fleet flicker]

I can't use bt emotes here

rasista

[strong forum]

[fleet flicker]

MOD ME

bearmadge

[strong forum]

I ain't moddin shit

[fleet flicker]

[cyan bronze]

I agree

Hero’s of the storm is dog

[torpid vault]

Hey folks, what are the must have WAs and Addons for high M+ keys in your opinion? Im trying to up my game since im soon trying to time 14s

[strong forum]

wrong.

[cyan bronze]

Is it good I’ve never played it

Just heard it’s badge

[strong forum]

Targeted spells, nameplates cds, ommicd, plater and bigwigs, rest is optional

[torpid vault]

only missing targeted spells there will check it out, is that a WA or Addon?

[strong forum]

Weakaura

[cyan bronze]

You missed one nom

[strong forum]

Back when it came out it was phenomenal, but even then it already released too late.
Its a more fast paced, map objective and xp based moba instead of a economy lane-ing moba

[cyan bronze]

The WA that makes the moan sound cue when you get external’d or pi’d.. for information purely..

[strong forum]

That's from XephUI and only when I play dev/aug

Cuz I cba making UI for those. XephUI plays those specs for me

Up to the point of somehow getting a r16 parse as Aug

Don't fucking ask me how

I played the spec for like 2hrs

@broken crater your spec is weird

[cyan bronze]

I think there is a stand alone

[strong forum]

There certainly is

[cyan bronze]

Idk I can’t play without the moanaura

@broken crater can we rework dev

like a big happy family

[lofty warren]

is it a fork of elvui?

[cyan bronze]

no

[lofty warren]

hmm. don'tlook too bad

why it make that dumb pink thing

[cyan bronze]

what

[cyan bronze]

oh

it wasme sorry

[lofty warren]

idk i think i prefer my UI even though I can make it prettier and hide some of those bars

[strong forum]

That's certainly a UI of all time

[broken crater]

for what

or into what

[cyan bronze]

good spec

[tepid nacelle]

anyone have any tips for double overseer pull in arakara (left side on last room). I am able to get out of the first set of webs with avatar/leap but by the time the 2nd one comes around im just a dead duck. is that pull just impossible for prot war without externals?

[cyan bronze]

intervene

to someone

otherwise you can call for grip or windrush

[karmic crane]

what embellishments should i be running as prot?

never mind just found the page on archon.gg

[inner oracle]

2 options: 1st is having someone you can intervene as diva said, 2nd is to rely on externals, plenty of options there, aug can rescue and/or play time spiral to reset your leap, monk can tiger lust, pal can freedom, sham can speed totem with jet stream talent, priest can grip you, lock can gate

[nimble laurel]

It is the drones that apply the stacking slow. You can remove the debuff when popping avatar. I also save heroic leap here to get out. The options mentioned above are also good if you have dependable team members.

[scarlet stone]

Why are you using 2 ways to get out on a single one?

You also don't need dependable team members to intervene out... They literally just have to not stand in the circle and die themselves.

[golden dagger]

whos got a badass talent build

[cyan bronze]

mm

ive had it where they moved out of circle late and i died on travel time

ie: line of circles

but ya, as long as they dont giganta troll

[inner oracle]

For intervene your teammates can LOS you with stairs or get out last moment if they don’t know you plan to intervene so… wouldn’t just randomly intervene 😅

[cyan bronze]

u can also

spec

dragon and knock back and charge to a mob

did i cook?

[inner oracle]

Full cook

[sharp gale]

Just hold avatar for the first one and leap the second one, they should be dead at third one / use last solution which is intervene (i don’t have issues I’m gnome eheheh)

[mortal pecan]

crafting the everforged defender. I only do M+, should i get haste/verse or haste/crit?

[remote tusk]

Crit

[mortal pecan]

same for dawnthread over duskthread?

[frigid solstice]

i got your dawn thread right here , cloth boy

[mortal pecan]

lmao

[tepid nacelle]

thanks for the tips all, appreciate it!

just ran it twice without issues 🙂 so i can say, problem solved haha

[untold hornet]

is chelicera good or nah

[scarlet stone]

No you leap first and avatar 2nd (You can generally avatar on pull and have it back by 2nd), which means you'll have leap back for 3rd no matter what.

Both should also generally be pretty close to overlapped in timing, so you should be delaying your leap until the 2nd set spawns.

[sharp gale]

Maybe you are right, as I said I’m gnome I just racial that, but having to hold avatar that long may feel bad

[scarlet stone]

good play you should just have avatar back

I've never had to hold more than 10-15s~

[sharp gale]

I guessed avatar is 40 seconds cd and guessed it’s more than 40 seconds apart 1 to 3rd, so I’m not 100 % sure since I personally just press avatar on pull

[scarlet stone]

3rd is heroic leap again, more than 45s apart.

[sharp gale]

Yes that’s absolutely an 100% working way to do it, that’s what I do (being gnome) I leap first and racial second and leap again

[deft mortar]

Howdy yall

1 week no login rn

Idk if I login at this point

[fiery gale]

Seems you need some change

Have you tried paladin?

[manic surge]

any good for prot warriors

[scenic seal]

how are you guys dealing with liquefy and feast

617 ilvl

[scarlet stone]

[scenic seal]

yeah wowhead saying spell block

more so feast

shit trucks

[scenic seal]

might have to check healer attention

its destroying thru wall

[scarlet stone]

you have demo shout, shield wall, spell reflect, and spell block for EVERY SINGLE ONE

[scenic seal]

no way every one

[bleak delta]

you really do, and impending victory, and even a lock rock can be huge, honestly you should only be taking two hits of it anyway

Wall+Demo+Spell reflect is more than enough. Save avatar for the webs, move the boss as necessary

impending victory the moment you get feast on you, and lock rock

gives a huge buffer before heals land

there is no reason you should be struggling with feast at all tbh avoid additional damage by keeping shield block up as well, make sure to use your shield charge on CD to add additional stacks, saves a bit of brain power

[cyan bronze]

Let’s heckin go

[bleak delta]

also if you need a bit more magic damage reduction take a look at swapping out Best Served Cold for Fight through the flames

especially if you're not casting revenge often enough to make use of the talent (check your own logs for that)

[scarlet mesa]

I may have an absolutely bizarre question but should prot be using transmitter at all?

it uh, its proc conditions dont seem great for tanks

[bleak delta]

10th on the rankings on bloodmallet, so use it if you have nothing else. But there are ALOT of other options you would possibly be better served with, its almost non existent in mythic parses as well.

[scarlet mesa]

I kinda figured with how important positioning is

[bleak delta]

yea, skyterror + sacbrood is a good staple, you can then do some fun stuff with **behemoth **and even **broodlords ** if you feel your not getting the healing you need in a fight. Mythic Ovinax and Skyveza for instance, but i wouldn't use it in M+ if you have a decent healer ahaha

so i guess the short answer is no, its not good

[scarlet mesa]

yeah my goal will be bullying them to use champion spear now

[wooden widget]

Wait how do people have wall for every liquify?

[wooden widget]

Oooh ok

People doing that in mythic too?

[mighty valley]

you can prob get there with imp wall and enough haste

[bleak delta]

with a big grain of salt, you generally don't need defender's aegis to do it, but if you're struggling for whatever reason there you go

[wooden widget]

Gotcha

Yeah I’m getting it back obviously before the third

[scarlet stone]

You do not want defender's aegis for queen

[wooden widget]

Might do aegis while we prog phase 1

[bleak delta]

it can make a difference when learning the fight, and on prog, but you shouldn't have to rely on it

once you get the feel for it, you can spec out of it

[wooden widget]

^^

[unborn sable]

Is mythic Princess rough on a pwar? Deciding on Experimental haste/crit myth ring or myth tier upgrade. Not sure if I’ll need more twnkiness or just get more damage with crit ring

[fair mica]

It hurts but u dont need anything special for it

Just have a plan for your cds

Check what top logs are doing

And use your defs in similar manner if you have same timings of taking the tankbuster

No item will make or break your tankiness, especially in raid

[fluid widget]

so newer mythic tank, how do i mitigate the dot for nexus princess?

cause that chasmal gash seems to really hurt

[wooden widget]

Spell block works on the dot portion. Spell reflect for a few seconds of it. You’re gonna take one or the dots without spell block each phase. I used last stand, demo, impending, spell reflect while the dot was active

[fluid widget]

so when do you shield wall?

[wooden widget]

Oh shield wall the initial hit

Then demo and spell block

After you get it back from your cotank

I always had Agro first. And shield wall was plenty during lust I never felt unsafe.

It was later in the phase I needed to cycle stuff. Just remember spell block helps a ton with the dot

[bleak delta]

I would also suggest having impending victory for each tank buster ready to go, it can save you if you had to use a defensive through intermission for instance or you got hit by a ball or something.

[fluid widget]

kk

ill try that out better

there's also been times that I feel like i'm eating the dot and just getting passive healing

[bleak delta]

also may not seem like much but keeping your shield block up as much as you can, will help especially when you have the dot ticking, i know there's a lot going on, but try to stay ontop of it, get your shield charge off CD often too to help with it.

[fluid widget]

not sure how much that is contributing

[bleak delta]

those white hits ontop of the dot can really hurt

you'll get to the point where its automatic tbh, the fight is very scripted, and you'll be stuck waiting on the rest of your team to get it right, and live through intermission

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[bleak delta]

gz

[grave dock]

Hey
I need little help , I’m back after break ( again lol )
I mained pally last season but always liked warrior
How is Prot warrior compared to prot pally now ? It’s big difference? I can see that prot pally is doing higher keys atm so it could be better ? As I read from yoda channel pally have much higher dmg .

[bleak delta]

are you looking to push keys to like 14+?

or just wanna get your 10s and 11s done?

[grave dock]

Well I was doing 22/23 last season easy

But this expansion is harder for sure 😂

[grave dock]

Want to progres in m+ and trying harder

[pallid reef]

Alright lads, I just saw two different reddit threads that said there is a “macro that’s allowing prot wars to maintain 90%+ uptime on shield block and ignore pain”. What is this macro? I have no issues with uptime because I have weak auras and a clean UI, but I’m beyond curious what this macro looks like cause it sound sus and I won’t believe it until I see it

[frail crane]

is it

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Block

?

🤣

[pallid reef]

Is that really all it is? The threads made it sound like a /castsequence macro. Feel like the above would waste charges of sheild block if you have two active charges

[frail crane]

I've no idea

[pallid reef]

I.e, sheild charge for shield block, then that macro would cast your two sheild block charges despite still having time on the shield charge one

[frail crane]

Since you don't have to pandemic cast shieldblock you can cast it whenever you want

If you press shield block twice in a row, you'll double its duration

[pallid reef]

Yeah I don’t need it, just thought it was an interesting claim. I’ve seen it a few times this week on Reddit but no one actually shares the macro

[old juniper]

I guess Ive been overthinking Shield Block lol

[pallid reef]

Does the duration stack? I’ll be honest I just track it and use my next charge right before my current shield block falls off

[frail crane]

the only macro you might want to include is

#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

since IP is off the GCD

[pallid reef]

Yeah I was just looking at that in the macro list, I’ve been trying to do better about not wasting shield slams but on hectic pulls I def miss some

[frail crane]

It's always good to combine off GCD casts with something on the GCD where it makes sense

[frail crane]

Yeah the duration is additive

[pallid reef]

Wait back to shield block. I’ve not tanked on a prot war since TBC. I yolo swapped from my hpal main to prot war to spice things up. I’m about to hit KSH tomorrow so I’m ashamed I didn’t know this before

Wow

[frail crane]

You can cast Shield Blockx2 if you have the rage and the shield Charge and have the max possible shield block duration

[pallid reef]

I wonder if my shield block WA is right. I’ve literally never seen it add. I’ve always seen it refresh the original duration

Bruh. Wow. See this is why I love this discord

Woulda been nice working up to KSH, but will be nice to use tomorrow to finish it out

[frail crane]

And if you're talented into the Enduring Defenses which is a staple your shield block CD will be up before the duration runs out

[pallid reef]

I believe I do have that

My mind is blown. Now I’m pumped for tomorrow

[frail crane]

Which WA are you using?

[pallid reef]

Never hit KSH, even on my hpal main. So I’m actually still learning the class despite pushing 10s so this is a nice tip

Uhhh I think I made it myself. I’m using an ignore pain one though that tracks the time until it falls off + percentage until cap and all that

I’ll swap to a premade one tomorrow and see if there’s a difference

Maybe I’ve just not noticed cause I didn’t know it was additive

So then if you have a ton of rage, close to or max ignore pain, there’s really no reason to not use double shield block then, right? Then it gives you time to revenge/shield slam weave?

Assuming you have two stacks up*

Or one stack + shield charge

[frail crane]

1 stack 6secs

so 2x Shield Block + Shield Charge is 3 stacks 18secs

with enduring defenses it's 24secs

[pallid reef]

Yeah wow. I’ve definitely been making things harder just waiting until right before it falls off

[frail crane]

add 2secs per stack

You can pace it out so you don't rage starve yourself to cast IP but generally you don't need to play around it and can send it when you have a free global

[pallid reef]

Sweet info, thanks friend! Any other fun tips/things to consider? I think between knowing its additive + thst ignore pain shield slam macro, things will be even easier tomorrow than they have been

Yeah that’s huge. Definitely situation based. Will be nice not playing around it moving forward

[frail crane]

get a WA that tells you when you can spell reflect something and avoid the mechanic

[pallid reef]

Truuu. For the most part I know which abilities can be, but a weak aura would be nice. I’ll have to look around for one

I’m assuming this weak aura would only fire if the mob is actively targeting you? Like how some of the silkslinger type mobs will bounce between targets

[frail crane]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

I use this

[frail crane]

Yeah, if you're specifically the target of a cast or mechanic that can be reflected it tells you to press the button

[pallid reef]

AMAZING, I love weak auras

[frail crane]

Just lowers the cognitive load in hectic situations

[pallid reef]

You’ve been a huge help. I’ll definitely test all this stuff out tomorrow. Excited to hit my first KSH, but slightly ashamed to not have looked for this stuff early on lol

I’m all for reducing cognitive load that’s for sure

[oak ivy]

Is the buff applied by BSV also the same name? Looking to make a /cancelaura macro for it just to wipe faster in raid

[fiery gale]

misleading WA maybe

thats why i like just timer WAs

countdown

fuck bars

[frail crane]

No worries, I'm not a prot main by any means but I've been tanking a bit more this season and occasionally last season so picked up a few things.

Trust when I found out I could just send shield block my mind was kinda blown after tanking as VDH where demon spikes don't overlap

[pallid reef]

Yup guilty. I made my own bar. They are just easier to track in my eyes, but you’re definitely right it would be easier to maintain the accuracy

[pallid reef]

Yeah I could imagine lol. Actually so hype to mess with this all tomorrow and just send it. Always hated waiting on it so now I feel silly for the times it felt cause I waited and then accidentally spent the rage on ignore pain or something lol

[pallid reef]

Alright you should me. I’ll just make the numbers big af

[frail crane]

Typically as a warrior you always want to be spending rage cause we pretty much always run Anger Management

More rage spent means more Avatar and Shield Walls

[pallid reef]

Yeah true. As long as I didn’t die in those situations there was still a payoff so that’s a good point

[wraith maple]

man how can we min max dps as prot

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tkqp1KYwGjCtDzVh#fight=last thats a nw i just ran

[pallid reef]

Have yall ever been in a situation where, between shield block, ignore pain and and your group executing well, you don’t really need shield wall? I know this sounds crazy, but I’m my +10 siege tonight, the run was so smooth and my health bar barely moved, I kinda forgot about shield wall. No desths, +2’d it but then it made me wonder why I didn’t use it

[frail crane]

If you look like you're going to cap rage and your IP is maxed or not about to fall off in the next 2 global, cast revenge

[fiery gale]

sure if the content is not challenging you straight up dont "need" all of the def CDs

[wraith maple]

im doin about 700k ik my up time on sheild is not great tho

[pallid reef]

Weak aura to track ravager and spear so you’re always throwing it down when it’s up

[wraith maple]

i spam it too much its alway down

for shield up time i average 85-90 percent not great tho

[pallid reef]

In a situation like this, could I have replaced shield block for shield wall on occasion to maximize some rage spend on ravenge for added damage?

[wraith maple]

in 11s and 12 you really need sheild wall

[oak ivy]

the difference between tank damage dealt by the two bosses in court is so funny, Anub'arash hits like a wimp and Takazj is out for blood

[frail crane]

Takazj is doing magic damage right?

Does she auto?

[frail crane]

You should keep casting shield block because the game checks if it's active for certain mechanics like tank busters and those tend to be pass/fail checks

[wraith maple]

do u have logs for u 10 sob

[sharp gale]

now big troubles comes if i dont loot a ring or kyvesa trinket, i don't want to spend this weeks crest on my fucking wrist lol so close of the gilded crests achievement

[minor forge]

Is skarmorak shard trinket a good catch out of the vault?
Myth track

[mighty valley]

Yeah it's a pretty good one for damage

[minor forge]

Not really a fan of mad queen and will use skarmorak shard instead and see how it goes

[grim grotto]

is that omega bad or crazy defensive trinket no one needs. i mean. lets say i want be tanky af, is taht usefull? dont know wht happens with 12k dodge. i have 0 right now :>

[vale pulsar]

ahoy warriors

friend just came back to the game, playing prot warrior

what does he want his first 90 gilded craft to be?

[mighty valley]

Shield probably if he's not mythic raiding

[vale pulsar]

kk, and then weapon or another armor piece for 2nd dawnthread?

[brave jackal]

Weapon

[proven plume]

think its terrible no matter what

[orchid frigate]

Best loot spec for vault if you only need trinkets?

[wicked pollen]

arms

its pinned

[orchid frigate]

ty!

[violet ginkgo]

omega bad trinket

[lucid moon]

hey, i saw a post on what lootspecc we should open vault in when we wanna get specific slots. cant find it no more. does someone know where i can find it?

[jagged pier]

[lucid moon]

thanks

[oak ivy]

Chat I was doin a casual heroic with some friends yesterday and a gentleman asked to tank Kyveza for practice for his prog. I informed the aforementioned good sir that that boss is entirely different for tanks on H/M and his response was "I'm in a [3/8] Mythic guild. I know." In a rather dismissive tone. Do i just send the fine chap this

[sterile vessel]

big dillema - Mad Queen Hero or Myth pants for prot ( currently im with Hero pants and trinket is Hero Swarmlord - Help with advice

[wintry bough]

I would take the pants, usually you take ilvl

But sim mate

[sterile vessel]

i never use sim because i dont know how 😄

[tardy abyss]

Defo legs

[wintry bough]

There are plenty of guides online, its good to learn

[sterile vessel]

got any link ?

[sick halo]

Hello all, what would be a decent option to pick?

I appreciate all the help

[sweet summit]

623 shield

[tardy abyss]

If you don't have a myth track shield then that

[sick halo]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/wtrc

[sweet summit]

otherwise belt

[sick halo]

this is my current char

that trinket is pretty useless right?

[tardy abyss]

Yes

[sweet summit]

take shield

[tardy abyss]

Get the shield

[sick halo]

Thank you!

[wicked pollen]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots

[sterile vessel]

❤️

[sterile vessel]

simc says trinket ?

[wintry bough]

You are simming 626 pants

Pants go up to 639

Its definitely pants here, look up for guides on how to sim mate

[sterile vessel]

i click from GV pants

kk

[sharp gale]

You can upgrade them using the upgrade tool on top/or manually up them one by one, and press select all GV items, it will select even the upgraded ones and do as usual GV items (item exclude others GV items)

They will have the GV* mark top right of item

You can even sim the socket as a GV item

[wet cave]

Hello guys, im new to warrior in classic wow and was wondering what the best spec is while leveling? I dont need like min max best spec but just whats your guys's favourite? I tank dungeons for the most part and when im not im leveling with someone and mostly focusing on keeping aggro. Im level 17 and about to enter deadmines. Im currently going deep prot build. I mainly use 2h sword atm and have a sword&board aswell. Would it be better for me to go fury prot build and go dual wield at level 20 so i can build more rage? If i keep going deep prot dual wielding wouldnt make much sense right? Thanks for any replies ^^

[jagged pier]

#vanilla-discussion

[wet cave]

Thanks

[silent path]

playing thank has been a frustrating infuriating experience

[mystic yoke]

pugging 11s is fine, pugging 12s seems impossible or just russian roulette 😦

and trying to find a consistent regular team is so hard these days...

[silent path]

idk im just tired for being blamed for every single thing that goes wrong in a dungeon

[mystic yoke]

feel you on that one, especially, if you have to adapt the route on the fly due to ninja pulls. Then the DPS little brains cannot handle a deviation from anything other than the route they've seen online.

[old basin]

welcome to tanking

its always your fault

[blazing condor]

always the tanks fault

too slow? shit tank
pull bigger? shit tank with bad route

[old basin]

pull small ? shit tank too scared

[mystic yoke]

DPS use interupt? no.
DPS croud control correct mob? no.
DPS go ham before tank has full aggro and die. Yes.

[jagged pier]

all tanks fault tho

[mystic yoke]

100%

stupids tanks.

[shell shale]

hi guys! anyone can share good wago for warrior prot UI? Just need the detailed ignore pain tooltip as well as procs and etc 😦

my kinda sucks I guess

[sweet summit]

yours look fine. not really any point tracking rend tho? UI and WAs are very subjective
there are some in #1269009097525694616 message

[mint pulsar]

hey guys, i got" Ceaseless swarmgland" (mythic) in my vault and "Opressive Orator's Larynx" (Hc) equipped, is it worth to swap to the mythic trinket for m+?

[sweet summit]

if you feel like you need it, sure

[ionic yoke]

Depends if you wanna trade defense for more damage

[mint pulsar]

my question is, are the 27k dmg reduction rly that worth

[tardy abyss]

No

[sweet summit]

that's kinda up to you.
if it makes you live it's worth, if it doesn't change anything it's wasted