protection

[wooden widget]

Like I don’t run stormbolt or intimidating

[pallid quiver]

Gotta shockwave on cd for that aoe aggro

he means no int shout and the like

[sweet egret]

but he said he literally only takes shockwave for weekly keys

just out of the blue

answering nothing

[pallid quiver]

And is prefaced by him mentioning charge, intervene, and impending victory, and followed by him mentioning not taking other cc abilities

[raw oracle]

Because he referenced impending in the macro during a chat about ability bloat

[pallid quiver]

Which is a way to reduce number of physical binds

On bith aspects

[raw oracle]

So, the macro helps with bloat but also, he doesn’t take the others so it impacts him less with his current build

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I can't see a way to read those sentences together without it being a potential answer to the immediate discussion, so like

I don't have any damn clue what your reading comprehension gave you

[sweet egret]

idk, maybe I'm dumb

just felt like u were talking about stuff to track, important things, berserker rage

sure, I see the macro line joining the same conversation

next line for me is nonsense

anyway

I'm using an avatar macro that pops avatar, ravager, trinket and racial (orc) at the same time

and a charge macro that changes to intervene if I mouseover a friendly target

so I don't need to bind any of those spells by themselves

on another note

anyone of you guys able to explain to me what the "legacy floor rounding" option means in weakauras?

[left meteor]

Basically 0.x gets rounded to 0

[sweet egret]

ty

[left meteor]

Which is how the game used to round

[tired girder]

guys, we should press revenge for free shield slam procs or something else? we should use rage to use revenge?

[cyan bronze]

Revenge is a shield slam reset fish yeah

Aswell as rage dump

[shrewd grove]

Rotation goes like this (For Mountain Thane, which is what you want to be playing in keys)

1. Press Shield Slam
2. If you can't press Shield Slam, press Thunder Clap
3. If you can't press Shield Slam OR Thunder Clap, press Revenge.

Then just press IP when you're about to overcap on rage

[cyan bronze]

Ip for rage dump if you’ll overcap before you can dump with revenge

[tired girder]

thz for the tips 🙂

IP is kinda similar to iron fur of druid? the many you have the more you mitigate?

[slow gazelle]

Gearing up my prot warrior alt at the moment, anyone know how many sparks of omen I should have at the moment?

[eternal terrace]

/run a=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(3023) print("You have earned " .. a.totalEarned .. " of " .. a.maxQuantity .. " possible Fractured Spark of Omens")

[cedar rune]

I finally set myself up with a set focus macro and an interrupt focus… and I suddenly feel… better than everyone?

Like, am I actually gaming now?

[shrewd grove]

No. It's an overshield. When you get hit, 50% of the damage hits the IP pool before it hits your HP, until you run out of IP in the pool. And then you take full damage. But there is a limit to how much IP you can pool.

[shrewd grove]

You're gaming

[sweet egret]

pros/cons frontline potion vs tempered potion?

[shrewd grove]

Uhhh... they do different things

Frontline Potion:
Pros - You're tankier
Cons - No damage increase

Tempered Potion:
Pros - More damage
Cons - Doesn't make you as tanky

Do you need to be more tanky?

[jagged pier]

eh giving your self any stat will make yourself a little bit tankier

so tempered does do it

[shrewd grove]

Edited lol

[scarlet stone]

I too love trying to mouse over charge a target and accidentally intervening a player model underneath the target.

[sweet egret]

no, the charge part is not mouseover

[scarlet stone]

Even worse.

[sweet egret]

I've never had any problems with it

works just like I want it to

[scarlet stone]

Just like you wouldn’t realize you’re having problems when not using focus interrupt macros.

[sweet egret]

ye I mean is the tempered potion far behind in damage reduction?

so what problems do you see with it?

[scarlet stone]

Does it work? Yes. But you’re losing functionality.

[sweet egret]

which functionality?

[cyan bronze]

Idk how much tankier the frontline potion actually makes you

[sweet egret]

same

[cyan bronze]

Assuming you get the ramp immediately, it’s 20% max hp and some amount of armor for 15 sec

[shrewd grove]

I mean, I've never felt the need to be tankier beyond what proper rotation and CDs can give you

[sweet egret]

you never died?

[shrewd grove]

I can't imagine a world where a Frontline Potion would have prevented that death

[cyan bronze]

Vs like 10k? secondary

[sweet egret]

which functionality? I'm able to charge at will and intervene at will

[cyan bronze]

The intervene charge macro I’ve never had issues with tbh

[scarlet stone]

You’re giving up mouseover charge or introducing potential for unforced errors at no gain.

[cyan bronze]

It’s very rare that im charging to a mob that a player model is overlapped with fwiw

[scarlet stone]

Fleeing monkeys / spotters.

For a quick one off the top of the head.

[crude flame]

hey guys, help a fellow skilless prot warrior:
I've been wiping in the first boss of Necrotic Wake because when he spawns the worms I can't get the aggro of them, first round is easy cause of challenging shout, but then next rounds I just can't get it, granted that I'm not going with ravager, but using thunderclap it's not enough, even spamming revenge (which I don't like to do) is not working

any advise?

[sweet egret]

I could put in mouseover charge if I wanted to naturally, which "unforced errors" are you finding? the clear gain is not having to have another keybind

[sweet egret]

so, if I wanted to charge a fleeing monkey

I would press him

and press charge

[cyan bronze]

Coincidentally, I don’t think I need intervene there, or within 30sec, so it likely doesn’t matter

[scarlet stone]

And if you used mouseover charge you could charge root that monkey and instantly charge back to you targeted giant.

[sweet egret]

= I charge him

[cyan bronze]

Ig

[scarlet stone]

Not having to have another bind isn’t a gain unless you’re playing on controller with extremely limited binds available.

[cyan bronze]

I’ve also literally never charged when I’ve meant to intervene, or intervened when I meant to charge

[sweet egret]

it is a gain for me

[sweet egret]

exactly my point

[shrewd grove]

Worms are fixates. You can't get threat on them. If people die to them it's their own fault

[cyan bronze]

I mean like the point of mousing over the wrong target is the same as accidentally hitting the wrong bind

It’s a bit moot

Just have precise hands

[scarlet stone]

Probably because you’re not maximizing your usages in the first place.

[sweet egret]

feels like you're just making issues where there are none

[shrewd grove]

I see a lot of blocked messages so I'm going to assume Zen is in here aggressively arguing a point no one cares to discuss again?

[sweet egret]

yes

he is

[shrewd grove]

Yall might want to just ignore him. Dude just whines and rages to whine and rage

[cyan bronze]

Ill be clear

I’m very against macro’ing stuff to other stuff

I don’t macro cds together, I don’t macro combat pot to anything

But intervene charge macro is the least offensive of the bunch

[scarlet stone]

It’s not, because you’re introducing the unforced error yourself when the gain is superficial. You have access to 60+ key binds within home row, 45 with only using shift, add 12 more if you included mouse with only 2: buttons.

[shrewd grove]

I macrod SS to my IP and it was a fantastic idea tbh. Saved me from getting carpal tunnel I think lol

[cyan bronze]

I have two ip binds

One with ss on it, one without

[sweet egret]

problem is finding all those binds quickly and comfortably, not that they don't exist

[scarlet stone]

Your ss with ip key bind is not your key bind for ss lol.

[cyan bronze]

scroll down and shift scroll down

[cyan bronze]

I never said it was?

[shrewd grove]

Ahh. See I have two SS binds. One with IP and one without. Went the other way with it

[cyan bronze]

I said i had two binds for ip?

[scarlet stone]

It’s not ctually 2 ip bind that you want, it’s 2 ss bind.

[sweet egret]

I think you confuse what others want with what you want

idk why you're so aggressive

it's just a chatroom

[shrewd grove]

Diva, highly suggest you just ignore the man. He literally spent like an hour arguing a point no one was making and being hella aggro about it yesterday lol

[scarlet stone]

Was Talking about storm.

[shrewd grove]

Had to block him bc he wouldn't stop raging about it

[cyan bronze]

Yeah idk zen you have poor reading comprehension

Wish you the best in your future online debates

[scarlet stone]

I’m not, you’re being defensive.

[scarlet stone]

No, I wasn’t talking to you

[sweet egret]

no, you are

I'm not defensive in the least, I am calmly stating why the macro helps me play

[scarlet stone]

Not everything is about you or an attack on your being so chill.

[sweet egret]

so it's about you being angry or what?

😄

[scarlet stone]

If that helps you sleep at night, sure.

I know inlive rent free in Storm mind, it’s great.

[cyan bronze]

Zen

[sweet egret]

bro you don't see a pattern in your conversations?

😄

[scarlet stone]

He’s typing about it right now.

[cyan bronze]

I mean this with a high level of sincerity, as someone who used to be as edgy and cared as much as you

[shrewd grove]

Oh did he call you defensive? He tried to do the same thing to me lol. Dude just comes in raging and then goes "Why are you being defensive???" When people tell him he's being aggro for no reason. It's like arguing with a high school kid

[crude flame]

is it that way? because taunt works with them

[cyan bronze]

No one thinks you’re as cool as you do

[ionic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[sweet egret]

I never have problems there because I just move the boss away

[shrewd grove]

I believe taunts break the fixate for the 5s duration

[scarlet stone]

That’s a fact of life, nothing to do with edginess, of which there is none to begin with.

[cyan bronze]

So true

[cyan bronze]

Intervene frontal, Worm spawn, shockwave move boss, storm bolt

[scarlet stone]

They fixate so all you really want to do is stun them while they’re in range of cleave. The main tech that you can do for that boss as a prot warrior is to intervene the target of the boss every time he casts his heaving wretch as it will negate all the damage it deals.

If you talent rumbling earth for NW wake then shockwave will also be up for every worm spawn.

[cyan bronze]

I like taking 3x storm bolt there

It’s up for every other set as a result, I believe, but at least it hits all 3

Also my route just almost full clears first room

Kinda makes the boss irrelevant

[scarlet stone]

But then you lose the best part of the intervene which is very powerful for all the trash and 2nd boss.

[cyan bronze]

The best part of intervene

Ie

Removing all dmg on the first boss

[sweet egret]

o_O

[cyan bronze]

Lets not be hyperbolic for the sake of argument

[scarlet stone]

The 3x bolt tends to add DR where unwanted while not even being particularly helpful for those worms which have shockwave every single time, then kiting. Too much stuns on them also just makes it harder to kill them without a lot of ranged dps.

It’s fine but I wouldn’t give up 650k absorbs for it.

[cyan bronze]

Sure, I just disagree

And it’s most certainly not the best part of intervene

[ionic yoke]

Intervene is still good on its own without the talent imo

[sweet egret]

I thought the absorb was pitifully small

[ionic yoke]

^

Plus, having an extra aoe stun ain't so bad

[sweet egret]

spells hit for millions and it's a few hundred thousand shield?

[ionic yoke]

Even if it's DR'd

[cyan bronze]

We also tend to not kill the worms

Destro passively burns them, destro also wants them to live as long as possible

Quite a bit of funnel

So having storm bolt helps to allow a wormset to live longer for him

Likely marginal gains but, w.e

[scarlet stone]

Having a destro in general is also incredibly fringe case tbh.

[rocky crest]

Guys, ya feel like there's nothing for us after 14's ? Only a reroll option to paladin or a team. The pug scene seems dead

[sweet egret]

I mean, is 600k shield the best part of intervene? pretty clearly it is the worst part of it

[scarlet stone]

It is small but a lot of the unavoidable aoes are 110-150% HP for a dps, so an absorb for 15% of their life when they don’t have a CD is easily life or death in those cases.

[sweet egret]

which unavoidable aoe is 7m dmg?

[scarlet stone]

Cumulative over their 0-2s of pulses; 1st boss GB, 2nd mini boss arak / first boss, 2nd boss dawn, 1 boss SV, despoilers SV, etc. Depends on key level, in the 14~ range a large amount of them are all 120-150%~ while in the 12 range they’re 100%~

Using intervene shield on cooldown is what 700k hps and is almost always 100% effective. Think all of those, last boss cot, any dots, etc. It’s the main reason you ever press intervene outside of the very fringe cases of negating heave wretch in NW being basically the only main one this cycle.

[sweet egret]

it is not 700k heal per second

[scarlet stone]

It’s more?

550-700k absorb depending on your ilvl, 45s cd.

[sweet egret]

so 700k per 45 sec

not per sec

[scarlet stone]

Err I meant hpm

14450hps of generally 100% effective healing.

[sweet egret]

so, the worst part of intervene

without a doubt

[scarlet stone]

But that increased max life pool for large aoes in higher keys / buffer from curses during 1st pull SV / caster packs in GB / etc, is a very large factor in helping compete against a ppal who simply brings the rest better.

Yeah 100% super bad, the 99.95 use case for intervene is thé worst part.

[sweet egret]

I wouldn't say it's useless, just the worst part of a great niche spell

[hoary pivot]

It helps with some mechanics like the discussed 1st boss NW or 2nd boss SoB, it is a fourth gapcloser to move somewhere quickly and it is nice offhealing if someone is out of defensives and in danger. The package is just good enough if you add all of that together.

[sweet egret]

yes, we are just talking about the small shield granted through the talent

I agree intervene is really good

[hoary pivot]

Instant cast offhealing is always valuable if used well reactively, specifically in premades where people will call out that they are in danger. Definitely prevented several deaths for us already.

[sweet egret]

I would be amazed if you actually saved someones life with a 600k "heal"

I am using the shield as well as using intervene constantly

just have a hard time seeing a very tiny shield being better than absorbing an entire cast/negating an entire mechanic or tanking all melee hits for 6 seconds

but it might be that I am mistaken and that the shield is actually more valuable

[hoary pivot]

It is better if they are in danger of dying otherwise. I mean its not crazy big, but it is also not too far off from the „shield“ that Rally gives the party, which is really good for AoE mechanics.

[strong forum]

Theres Just rarely a case where normal intervene does anything

[sweet egret]

well, we can talk about better in a specific scenario all we want, in which case I would still say negating an entire spell is more effective a way to save a life than a tiny shield but generally when talking about what part is better or worse you speak generally

[strong forum]

Why is this even a discussion

[sweet egret]

what do you mean, normal intervene eats the entire damage of heaving retch that blightbone casts in necrotic wake

just for one

[strong forum]

Okay

Why would intervene be used on anything else there

[sweet egret]

exactly my point

[strong forum]

?

[soft cipher]

double throw cleaver

[sweet egret]

it's bettter served being used for absorbing entire mechanics than for a tiny dmg shield

no?

[strong forum]

You're comparing apples to oranges

There is no magic dmg

On that boss, if you intervene that

You're making this argument as if you made a choice between reducing magic dmg or intervening a hit

When 99% of the time you're intervene for the magic absorb because there is nothing to properly intervene

It's not a choice you make deliberately

It's simply because there is no choice

[sweet egret]

the entire discussion started because of the choice between the talents of storm bolt cleave stun and the intervene shield

[strong forum]

Yeah, stormbolt cleave is shit

It does more bad than good

Intervene magic absorb does something everywhere

All the time

It can easily save someone's live because it increases their survivability to mechanics significantly

Stormbolt cleave is just shit, 10s extra CD to hit 2 extra mobs that more often than not don't even do anything scary at the time

[sweet egret]

sure, I never used that talent myself

[strong forum]

It's at best a pvp talent

[sweet egret]

does the shield really give a significant edge for saving someone from damage?

it's like a 2-3% max hp shield?

[tardy abyss]

Yes lol

[hoary pivot]

I really don’t want my Storm Bolt to have more CD with the amount of shit calling for it permanently everywhere

[strong forum]

Average dps has 6-7mil hp

[tardy abyss]

I have saved our aug countless times with it in higher keys

[strong forum]

Getting a 10% absorb ontop

For free

Is significant

[sweet egret]

ah, you're right

[hoary pivot]

Its more like 10%, which as I said above, its like Rallying Cry for one person with loe cooldown

[sweet egret]

yes, 10% is indeed

[tardy abyss]

SB cleave also stacks dr higher on mobs which can easily kill your party

[strong forum]

It's just bad

[tardy abyss]

Ye

[sweet egret]

I'm not advocating for it in the least :p

[tardy abyss]

Only key where it could be useful is GB but you can do a lot with Intervene shield there

[shrewd grove]

I have, for sure, used it to save healers who are going to die to aoe pulsing damage (which this season has a ton of) by letting them live 1 more tick

[scarlet stone]

Basically if you think the intervene shield is weak then all it really says is that you’re under using it, which then goes back to the macro comment of never accidentally using it wrong; because you’re under using it in the first place.

There is essentially only one other use case for intervene in the first place. And it over performs there, but the shield is the reason you press intervene every 45s~ in higher keys.

[strange lintel]

since when does defencive stance not reduce the dmg you do?

im being a baddie and just copying shit from wowhead and didnt even realized until now heh

[ionic yoke]

Since you spec'd to prot

Dw about it

[strange lintel]

so prot does not get the damage reduction?

cool

[ionic yoke]

Reduces dmg taken, doesn't reduce dmg you deal

Don't worry bout it

[strange lintel]

[pallid quiver]

They removed the negative damage moving into TWW

because people were still tanking in battle stance and blizz didn't like that

That's why they even default you to def stance now when logging in

[shrewd grove]

And yet I still live in bstance

[strange lintel]

i am actually R word cuz ive been playing on battle stance all this time. literally making it harder on myself for no reason

literally 22% magic dmg and 16% phys dmg reduction . ignored

lol

[shrewd grove]

I mean, what level keys you running

You probably should be in bstance

[pallid quiver]

dr's don't work that way

[strange lintel]

only gone up to 11s but still

[pallid quiver]

It's not 22% magic DR for grabbing through the flames + def stance bonus

[strange lintel]

i know there is a whole math behind it point is ive not been using it

[scarlet stone]

It does, by 3% from not being in battle stance

[ionic yoke]

No biggie

[scarlet stone]

Ideally you want to be sitting in battle stance and switching to dstance when you actually need the dr.

[prisma quiver]

any of you guys getting invited to pug 14+ or is this spec just cooked

[scarlet stone]

The best way to think about dstance is just consider it a defensive cooldowns to be used alongside others.

[jagged gust]

It's especially funny because people were knocking out 15s with 10-20ilvls under current season max before the pally rework

The meta is a cruel mistress

[prisma quiver]

its crazy lmao

if im not running premade its legit not even worth logging in

one week it just fell off a cliff

[wicked pollen]

what do i win if i find it

[jagged gust]

You get to put on a real smug grin

[pallid quiver]

It's on the S1 overview page on Wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/the-war-within-guide

This page, about halfway down

[jagged gust]

It just goes back to the age old argument that meta brainrot is way too real

[shrewd grove]

Weird, wonder why it's not on the actual talent build page

[shrewd grove]

Idk, an attitude adjustment? See how Luerce informed instead of acting weird about it?

[pallid quiver]

Nome intentionally left it off to disuade people from playing it, since it's objectively worse at doing all the standard tank things

[pallid quiver]

to be fair, it's kinda buried in a page no one would expect to check by design, so it's possible he actually didn't know

[shrewd grove]

That's very fair

[jagged gust]

I didn't even know about that feature until this season tbh

[shrewd grove]

Nah, if you check the convo earlier he was telling someone to go check the wowhead page

And that's why I said it's not on there

So he responded with "What do I win if you're wrong" essentially

[rocky crest]

I'm sitting in the same boat, I rarely get any invites as a prot warrior. It's like the last resort for ppl

[pallid quiver]

i did the same before, tbh; that's when i learned it was on the S1 overview page

[shrewd grove]

Instead of just saying "Oh, it's actually in a weird ass spot"

[pallid quiver]

I always thought it was on the talent build page until I was told it wasn't, and Nome had to tell me where it was

[prisma quiver]

i get legit stone 0 invites

for 14s

have half of them timed as well

think im 0/40 in q lol

[rocky crest]

i'm 40% timed 14's but yeah

[jagged gust]

But like luerce referenced, most people aren't running Giga high keys, and when it comes to knocking out your weekly 10s, as long as you live you should time

[rocky crest]

as someone said above, meta is a cruel mistress

[shrewd grove]

Good to know though, might have to grab it for my weekly 10s

[jagged gust]

So may as well be tanky for em to mitigate downsides of tanking

[rocky crest]

It is really weird how we fell off thanks to pally rework.

[pallid quiver]

Not that weird

[mortal pecan]

Is there any split between defender's aegis and impenetrable wall? Seems like IW is clearly better but I've seen some higher m+ warriors using DA.

[pallid quiver]

Most people who play games at all heavily overvalue tier lists and things like that so as to intentionally fulfill their own biases and thoughts to feel better

[mortal pecan]

@pallid quiver I agree with you. Wondering what everyone else thinks

[jagged gust]

talent builds are weirdly affected by the choices of whomever does well very early on, you can see this effect through odd trinkets, embellishes and talent choices all over leaderboards

[novel heron]

any tank here with Myth Kyveza EXP? Im wondering if its normal that a warr Tank i repeatedly asking for externals and like hogging all of them

Sac, Ps etc

Its like clockworks, seems weird to me

[shrewd grove]

Gimme logs, doesn't sound normal

[jagged pier]

Nah u should take the second tank mechanic

So u only get 1 per phase

And all your cds will cover it then

Sw for the hits

[shrewd grove]

These are the "required amount of externals" on the top parses in Mythic Kyveza

[jagged pier]

Spell block for the dot

[jagged pier]

Yer and they playing dumb builds that gives no SB just execute damage

[shrewd grove]

Mhmmm, and they still dont need "every external"

So if this guy's tank does, something is wrong

All I was saying

[jagged pier]

Yer as i said

Have the warrior take the second one because they only have to deal with 1 dot debuff per phase

Instead of 2

And if he dying he just bad

[novel heron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4cAgXm1HRdKvhtjL

Heres our log

actively wiping

no judging

[jagged pier]

Swap your tanks

The dk should be doing the first and third tank mechanic

[shrewd grove]

Not here to judge you, just your warrior 😉

[novel heron]

🙏

[jagged pier]

Hes doing okay tbh blocking the dot like he should but he cant block it both times only once a phase. And youe bdk can jjst heal himself through it were he cant

[placid gull]

Hey, quick question which emblishment should i choose for 1h sword?

[left beacon]

Haste is our best stat but is there a point where where you have too much i'm at like 21k

[novel creek]

i did it a few weeks ago with the same tanks setup

taking 1st and 3rd tank buster

as prot war

[novel heron]

did you need externals?

[novel creek]

not that much

i'll check ur logs once we are done raiding in 10m

[lusty grotto]

YOURE doing ok

[tribal wharf]

housing apparently is crazy

[lusty grotto]

none

[novel creek]

i just delayed spell block on 3rd tank buster since debuff overlap with intermission every phase

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bA9z4MRGvZY73Ct2#fight=47&type=auras&source=13&target=13

[shrewd grove]

chat is this real? they misspelled official

Chat, it's not real. That's from a year ago on a private server

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRP3cnkqAWU

[lusty grotto]

some things never change

like falling for yogi's shenanigans

[ionic yoke]

Cool concept tho

I wonder how Blizz will do it

[jagged gust]

Probably similar to garrisons with delve phasing

Is my guess

[grave jacinth]

@strong forum How come the WoWHead guide is missing the Magnificent Jeweler's Setting in the Protection Warrior Enchants & Consumables page?

[tired girder]

Hi guys, can I have some tips please?
I'm new to this level gear thing and I don't know how to use the sparks of omen.

Its worth on everything we have adventure or veteran gear?
In all gear or just specific ones?
And how much gold normally we paid for crafters?

For example I have a cloak 543 and worth craft a cloak?

[scarlet stone]

There is not one answer.

Gold not an issue? Craft 5-6 pieces 619 and then recraft 636 asap.
Crests not an issue? Farm your 90 gilded and craft your 2 bis pieces then craft a 3rd or 4th if you don’t mind spending the gold.
All of the above an issue? Just wait to craft your bis pieces and nothing else.

[tired girder]

Ok I will wait and craft my bis.

Wowhead have recommended bis crafted gear?

[scarlet stone]

Yes

[mortal pecan]

anyone have a working target of target intervene macro?

[foggy ingot]

What have people been enchanting MH, I've been playing with the sims and getting a bit of a mixed bag

[wooden widget]

Radiant for mythic plus and authority of depths for single target

[barren oar]

i just mouseover the target of target frame with the charge/intervene mouseover macro

[crystal turret]

I'm pushing into mythic prog and was wondering if there was a point where you would have to swap from haste/crit to haste/vers? Or are you perfectly fine all the way through with crit?

[mortal pecan]

i wanted to make it as brain dead as possible on the first boss of NW for example. just spam the macro when he starts his vomit cast

[barren oar]

thats exactly how i use it

one keybind just enable target of target frames

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[scarlet stone]

[@targettarget]

If ever you're curious for other macros the question you're thinking of for google is macro syntax.

[wooden widget]

Honestly. Just always take ilvl. Haste at a decent level via rings and ur good. Sim for dmg and you’re happy.

[wintry gate]

anything i should switch prio on, or focus more on??

[mighty valley]

MORE HASTE

but in reality, just getting practice is the most important thing once your ilvl is good

[rotund wyvern]

I may be missing something, but why do some tank busters appear to hit twice?

[tawny current]

Crush does both physical and shadow damage

[rotund wyvern]

Same as Subjugate, right? From COT's 1st boss

[tawny current]

Yeah, Subjugate is also physical and shadow damage

[rotund wyvern]

So, I should use Spell Reflection + {Last Stand or Shield Wall or Demoralizing Shout}, right?

'cause sometimes Crush does almost no damage, and sometimes it wrecks me

(happens with subjugate too)

[jovial tusk]

Wouldn't hurt to weave in Spell block for those as well.

[tawny current]

I'm new to warrior myself, but I'd press Spell Block before Spell Reflect tbh. Neither of those are allowed to reflect, so you'd only get the 25% magic dr. Blocking the spell just basically turns it off, so...

[scarlet stone]

Your IP pool also looks like it could have been very small depending on if that -3s batched before or after the melee swing.

[jovial tusk]

Reflect with block up + IP shouldn't be too bad either.

[granite briar]

Hey everyone, kinda funny request here. My guild just got AOTC and to celebrate the guild leader thought it would be funny to have the two main tanks duel and the rest of the guild place bets on who'll kill who. It's me vs. a Veng DH. We're both a bit worried that it'll just end up a stalemate, but I really think Colossus can crit him to death. Neither of us have much PvP gear (I'm currently working on farming that). Anyone have any suggestions? Does this just sound dumb? Am I too confident in Prot War v. Veng Demonhunter?

sorry just realized this is the prot general, I posted it in PvP tab, I'll leave it up here incase anyone's curious or has some thoughts

[mighty valley]

I think pretty much all tank vs tank duels are just gonna go forever

Maybe if you get a huge demolish crit when he has absolutely nothing up but even then, health pools are huge

[bleak delta]

healer's fault, you weren't topped

[rotund wyvern]

Really? I think it was my fault

[bleak delta]

sorry Aussie humour mate xD

[harsh spindle]

Hi guys. does anyone know if any of the BRD tank trinkets are any good?

I have a chance to buy one here and I was wondering if any are worth it

I've been looking for info but there... isn't much

[jagged gust]

the roccor one is pretty nice

[harsh spindle]

pure stat stick

Ive been investigating the trinkets and it seems the direct damage ones are pretty awful

howeverrrr

this one interests me

[jagged gust]

truly awful

[harsh spindle]

well, does this reduce damage after all mitigation is applied, like block etc?

if so, this would be a pretty massive damage reduction in M+

but i can't find any info about uptime

[jagged gust]

1.5ppm, not hasted

[harsh spindle]

so 15 seconds out of every minute

[jagged gust]

yep, without the ability to control when it procs

[harsh spindle]

not ideal

[jagged gust]

there's simply no good defensive trinkets this season

[harsh spindle]

I have the molten furnace too, but it seems like a walmart scarab trinket (which I don't have)

scarab is pretty good on my DK and paladin but I don't know if it's good on warrior

I tanked a 12 on my DK and scarab was 10% of my overall healing (on DK)

but it's basically ignore pain

I think I'll go with roccor's

thanks for the input

[jagged gust]

yeah scarab is like 50k overall hps, I think the on use is like an additional 100k hps, it doesn't really make or break anything but it's the best of a bad bunch

[harsh spindle]

nothing like the aegis

now that was a trinket. hooo boy

[oak ivy]

that thing went crazy

[tawny current]

I'd sac a kidney for real tank trinkets.

[harsh spindle]

I kinda doubt we're going to see trinkets on the same level as Fyrakk's heart or aegis again

they nerfed fyrakk's heart 3 times!

[tawny current]

They'll do it again. They've been massively overtuning trinkets since at least Throne of Thunder. I dunno about before because I started WoW in 5.1 Landfall

[harsh spindle]

tank-specific defensive trinkets are often in a weird place

some do almost nothing

others are legit overpowered

aegis was like a tank cooldown built into a trinket

and obv, cheat death trinkets are super good. none this tier though!

[tawny current]

I mean, I feel that way about the majority of trinkets in general. They're better at making DPS trinkets imo, but most of them are still middling at best. Healer and tank trinkets are regularly just sad, until they pop out with a Rageheart for tanks or Rashok's for healers

[harsh spindle]

Maybe they intentionally make most trinket bad, but sprinkle in a few for the chase and excitement?

everyone was going nuts for sacbrood but it's not even that good

[dim token]

theyve been doing it every patch i think

some of them are deliberately overbudgeted

[harsh spindle]

usually the spread between the best and worst trinket is 1% overall or so. there are definite outliers and intangibles like cheat thouigh

beacon from beyond comes to mind (if you stacked crit and vers)

[jagged gust]

the trinket that teaches tanks to taunt on pull

[cyan bronze]

What’s the stam shadowlands trinket

Technically we’re taking enough damage to warrant it(((compared to other shadowland trinkets)

[sweet summit]

codex somethinh something

[mighty valley]

of the first technique

[sweet summit]

reduced premit damage taken or something

[mighty valley]

... i think

[flint tiger]

is it best to craft sword/shield at 636 first, or is it fine to stick with a 619 crafted 1H, get 636 shield and make a different 636 armorslot crafted?

[jagged gust]

shield is your #1 piece of armor for defensive purposes, weapon the same for your DPS. Embellishes don't scale with ilvl, so really the best bet would be to knock out 619 bracers along with a 636 shield for embellishes+636 weapon, and then swap the embellish from shield to something like boots/belt once you have access to mythic gear

[violet ginkgo]

Well I still praying I got something good from vault tomorrow.

[jagged gust]

Bricked a 10 NW when my healer was doing 400k overall on the first pull

decided I'm only going for 1 vault slot this week lmao

here's hoping!

[wild chasm]

That’s funny, I feel like this season is very healer heavy but I’ve seen even 3k rio healers slacking off and people literally just dying from dots, because the healer would rather dps

[oak ivy]

I want pre nerf tank/healer relationship back

AKA "keep your grubby mitts off me"

[tardy abyss]

Tanks still dont need a lot of attention most of the time

[pallid quiver]

i wish healers paid less attention to me; then maybe the group would live

[tardy abyss]

^

[pallid quiver]

it hurts to see me like 70% of the healer's healing, with it being like 80%+ overhealing

and then the DPS are just bleeding out constantly

[tardy abyss]

Pugs tend to make sure Im 100% hp even when there wont be any damage in the next 30 seconds

Which is so weird

[pallid quiver]

as soon as a prot war has shown they hate shield block whenever i'm healing, that's my modus operandi for them

[tardy abyss]

But thats the difference of a good and a bad healer

[wild chasm]

Depends on the tank I guess, warrior doesn’t have enough self healing to go through 12+ packs of damage. You can smooth out the damage, but apart from Impending Victory and other small heals like Indomitable, you probably won’t have Last Stand or a potion every pack to heal off all damage. We still top the damage taken meter after all

[pallid quiver]

Because your average pug prot war who hates shield block will also make the decision to suddenly pull seventeen packs out of nowhere

[pallid quiver]

the fuck

no we don't

We are the lowest damage taken tank

Unless you mean in a 5-man, in which case,

yeah tanks take the most damage

[tardy abyss]

Eh, I can do most big pulls without healer attention

[wild chasm]

Yeah I mean dungs, raids is a different story

[pallid quiver]

then

no shit we take the most damage

We are actually getting hit, unlike the DPS and heals who, supposedly, most damage potential on them is avoidable

[wild chasm]

Ofc we smooth most of it out, but still. Whenever healer dies and releases if the pack doesn’t die in the next 20-30 seconds I usually go down depending on the pull

[pallid quiver]

You still shouldn't need dedicated healer attention unless you didn't stop something or are starting a pull

[tardy abyss]

You realize 20-30 seconds is a big timeframe in that scenario?

[pallid quiver]

Once I'm in a pull, I don't think I've ever died off the top of my head, but I'm not doing +16s

hell, i can solo a pull once I'm set up unless there's a lot of murder casts going out

[wild chasm]

If the dps are down as well and you are the last one struggling with mobs like the Lavabender in grim batol, there’s no way you can bring them down the last 20~ mil

But in most cases 20-30s should be enough to finish off the enemies. Bad side is you burn through your CD’s which you might need for the next pull

[tardy abyss]

ye

[wild chasm]

So yeah, healer should focus on the group more than you, but it’s not like we can survive without them in higher keys especially

Unless you can reflect the tank busters and interrupt everything else, because then it feels like a baby’s stroll for some reason

[tardy abyss]

There are so few tank busters that actually hurt us ngl

[wild chasm]

If you have CD’s up then yeah. But for example Shadow Slash or w/e the name in Grim Batol, one you reflect if there are 2 in the pack, the 2nd will most likely burn your whole IP and deal some damage

The worst ones are dots in Siege though I think

[tardy abyss]

Spell block it and gg

But Siege is the worst ye

If you dont have an aug or a monk

[wild chasm]

Still it’s funny, because as you say most shit doesn’t hurt us and we really are sturdy

Yet the scene is dominated by prot pallies

Hate them meta slaves :/

[tardy abyss]

I can live with ppal being meta cuz I know all of them are miserable for playing it

[wild chasm]

Well yeah, but getting less/no invites due to that sucks

[tardy abyss]

What keys do you queue for?

[wild chasm]

I’m turning to prot because getting into a key as fury is even more miserable

Trying to finish off all 12’s atm so not that high even

[tardy abyss]

hm

Im not struggling getting into 13s/14s

Somehow lol

[wild chasm]

I feel like everyone wants +200 rio than the key nets you so they can have a „free run”

[tardy abyss]

Sometimes ye

When I queued with my buddies we got declined for a +13 CoT, we are all 3k+ and the holder was 2.6k

[wild chasm]

I took 3000~ rio 3 men team this week only for them to fail the first pull in GB and leave

[tardy abyss]

That first pull is awful without a rogue & iron wire

[wild chasm]

Well I was dpsing in that case and the tank was ppally so he should manage the interrupts I guess

I kicked the first caster, we gathered downstairs but he positioned the drake wrong, was hard to los, a tremor from the patrol caster went off and everyone died. The people didn’t even start dpsing, tank was first in the meter lol

I despise pugging this season so much…

[wintry bough]

Also demonhunters because of their lifesteal

On mdi all of the tanks were demon hunters I think we’ll see even more in the future

[wild chasm]

I think their utility works pretty well for that too

They can tank big pulls, group up with sigils, silence and shit

[wintry bough]

Ye sadly now its meta to have multiple mains

But its mostly because of gearing being time gated

As if you don’t raid your only option for myth track is vault

So they just have time to gear multiple mains

[wild chasm]

Well depends on how you view the game. If you want to get the title then I guess do whatever it takes. I never liked alts and I always pour everything into my warrior simply because I enjoy playing it

It’s a game after all, if you don’t treat it like a competition, then the main goal is to enjoy yourself playing it, right?

[wintry bough]

Yea warrior seems to be the most fun for me as well, the sad part is that I could never play games casually

But ye everyone should play the game however they have the most fun

[wild chasm]

I always struggle to be the best I can as well, but since I can’t get into groups as fury and don’t feel comfortable tanking high keys yet I just stepped down a little and went to play some Diablo

I hope season 2 will be a bit more fun, but seeing the dungs coming I doubt it. Maybe at least the difficulty will be smoothed out

So the pugs won’t be that ass

[torpid vault]

i guess depends on your RIO, im 3k 4 timed in 13, cant get into the remaining 4 just rarely because everyone is inviting prot pallies as I can see from the grp finder

[tardy abyss]

Im slightly over 3k as well

But maybe its because I never queue completely alone

[torpid vault]

i almost always q alone, still can barely get into grps

my best chance is to try to Q for keys where leader is 2700 and lucked in a 13 key, but then completion is quite risky

[ionic yoke]

Rating be damned, if they know what they're doing and they lock in, the key will be timed

[tardy abyss]

Even at 3k people dont know how certain bosses work

So its always a gamble

[torpid vault]

sure, but its a progression to learn ins and outs of every instance/pack etc, on 10 u dont have to pay as much attention as in a 13 to specific mobs

[ionic yoke]

Best case scenario is you time it regardless or barely time it, worst case is you brick it but the group learns from it. Then go agane

[split remnant]

Can I tank +9 Ara Kara with 600ilvl?

Or is that too much?

[tardy abyss]

Doable

[split remnant]

What if I am prot paladin? I feel like its survivability is much worse than prot wars.

[jagged pier]

u should probably go to the paladin discord and ask for help

[tardy abyss]

Should also be doable as ppal if you know what youre doing

[split remnant]

I dont have any other paladin questions.

[umbral kernel]

do you know if there is a site that tracks data regarding the ratio of tank/heal/dps in the game ?

[solid timber]

Imo break it down to 8 you get gilded there and more people go there than 9

[split remnant]

Yeah but if I can tank 9 I can +1 it to 10 and have a weekly 10. Hopefully

[sharp gale]

It’s because the rio line always moves up, people who took 3+ months to be 3 k rio are not the same type who had 3k rio in a month or 2

The Rio hell always goes up

The goal is to always be ahead of it

[unkempt hazel]

me when im brm

[violet ginkgo]

I mean to be fair even if this is like midseason already ppl still don’t know how to break eggs in the heroic ovi’nax

[final bay]

Okay so I haven't played prot in a while, is revenge supposed to be one of the highest damaging spells on my tank when he's playing thane? It's sometimes #1 after some packs

[violet ginkgo]

No

Thunderblast should be your highest

Followed by shield slam

[final bay]

Yeah I tried to play my warr and I didn't feel like I had time to press revenge that much with how many resets you get on SB and tc

And for me revenge was like 10th or something

[violet ginkgo]

for thane revenge is just tool. When your SS and TC on cd you press revenge to fish SS reset

or if you pull and spreading deep wound that's it.

[final bay]

Yeah alright, well I think I see why were having aggro issues lol

Oh another question

When you open on a pack in keys

Do you charge tc avatar tc

Or you just use Avatar and to get a tb first gcd

[sharp gale]

I thunderclap, avatar, thunderclap

[strong forum]

I tend to avatar mid-charge

And then immediately have that big TC on the first pack

[final bay]

Is that because you like it or because it's better

[ionic yoke]

It's all personal preference

[hoary pivot]

Charge + Avatar has the advantage of generating enough rage to Shield Block from 0 rage at the beginning of a pull

[tropic marsh]

I don't think I'm using swarmlords authority active enough each key. Should I be thinking of it as a defensive or using it on CD/combining with avatar?

[jolly spindle]

did u put a ring of bonding on ur healer

[inner oracle]

Use it on CD unless pack/boss is almost dead

[old basin]

wha you guys think of next season mythic+ dungeon pool ?

[umbral kernel]

hyped

workshop is not gonna be easy and has annoying parts but these can be optimized

motherlode is great imo

[hoary pivot]

mostly hyped, might get sick of motherlode, played a ton of it back then and the constrained space was a bit annyoing at times

[umbral kernel]

the 4 tww are my favorite except darkflame cleft

but rookery, meadery and priory are all hype

[sweet summit]

very high odds of being horrible but if they pull it off it will own :DDDDDDDDDDD

[umbral kernel]

• a new dungeon, it's great

the only letdown for me is theater of pain

I don't like dungeons with that many bosses

5 bosses bruh

but that's not the worst that could come back from shadowlands, so I'm ok lol

[sweet summit]

all i know of is this https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-1/all/world/leaderboards

can mousover to see actual number, but idk if this counts two runs from the same character as one or two

[umbral kernel]

I need to make a spreadsheet or something like that to calculate the ratio of dps/healer/tank

from the data here

almost every player I know complains about the lack of tank so I wanted to check if there was reliable data about this

[sweet summit]

17 mill dps,and 5.4 mill tank and healer each

which is like actually pretty good ratio no?

[umbral kernel]

oh ok it's from the number of run

so obviously the ratios are perfect

[sweet summit]

:5head:

[umbral kernel]

I was wondering if it was the unique population or not

[plush tendon]

theres always not enough healers or tanks to go around

can just post a +10 Mists or something in LFG and count up how many healers/tanks/dps sign up

I promise at least 90% of them are dps

[umbral kernel]

that's for sure but I wanted to know the exact ratio, sometimes in DF I read it was something like 1/2/30 (1 healer for 2 tanks and 30 dps)

[plush tendon]

my initial reaction to figure that out would be to count all the unique characters who have tanked a key and add em up

then count up all the unique characters that DPSed a key

for sure not 100% accurate... but might be the best way

[umbral kernel]

yep but I dunno if there is an API for this

or a website

I'll figure it out

[sweet summit]

chat hop on my dk has a key

[ionic fern]

Damn, you're like 4 seasons ahead of us.

[jaunty reef]

You gusy got any good routes for SoB?

Its quite straightforward, but curious anyway of variations?

[blazing condor]

my ass did not read that as "death knight"

[tawdry cloak]

That raider.io chart has an option to only count unique characters, so I’d assume there’s an API for it. Based on some quick numbers I pulled from the graph, ratios among completed runs are (tank/healer/dps)

All m+
1/1.007/3.176
keys 10-11
1/1.016/3.207
keys 12+
1/1.003/3.210

[umbral kernel]

Yea that makes sense because almost all runs have one healer one tank and three dps

[tawdry cloak]

Yea but that’s only counting unique characters. If the ratio were 1/2/6, this data would still reflect it, the tanks would just be doing double work to try and meet the demand

[ionic fern]

You can do SOME variation, but i've not bothered since the keys i do are low enough where it doesn't matter.
Plus, it would require some skip schenanigans with Rogues / Invis pots etc and i just cba in pugs.

[ionic yoke]

[sweet summit]

what then

[blazing condor]

donkey kong

of course

[gusty saffron]

Do the embellish got a big impact on prot warrior?

Got one with shield but not sure if I should take the second one

saving gilded to take 636 but not sure if build the 619 boots or smg

[ionic fern]

No.

[iron dust]

For city of threads final boss do you guys move at specific points to help team avoid orbs or would we just constantly move around the edge of the room?

[ionic fern]

Dodge orbs -> Move -> Dodge orbs -> Move.

Ideally people would be more or less stacked

And move together.

[iron dust]

Ok ty

[uneven yoke]

Hi, why does the wowhead guide rate swarmlord's so poorly with no mention of M+ when almost every high end m+ prot warrior runs it?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

Is it only ranking based on dps?

[hoary pivot]

Big pull with Lust at the fountain, grab everything there, then up the stairs, skip the pack to the left of the gateway, pull the pat with the watercaster pack to the left, two mandatory packs in front of the boss, then boss, go left, pull left watercaster pack before ship, then press W until third boss (except for the snipers, skip those) and skip the pack that is way behind the third boss in the back.

[nimble laurel]

Here's my route for Siege. We lust pull 3.

[gusty saffron]

but not even to take it 619?=

[ionic fern]

I diddn't read the second part. You craft embellishments on lower stat budget pieces. The effects don't increase with ilvl,so you can craft them at 619 for now.

[plush tendon]

Im pretty sure embellishments scale with I level

[long kayak]

question, at the moment i got everforged sword crafted up to 636. should i upgrade my everforged shield from 619-636 or craft something else? 🙂

[plush tendon]

shield would be your biggest upgrade

[long kayak]

thank you!

[lofty warren]

Why the heck did theature of pain get included in dungeon list instead of a good dungeon

Do they have the guy who made korthia coming up with these devisions?

[plush tendon]

idk, I like ToP

not great for pushing IO

but as a weekly key... I enjoy it XD

[jaunty reef]

Thath 7th pull seems cracked tbh

I fee llike that phys bleed just DESTROYS me

[lofty warren]

I guess it could be worse. We could have gotten kings rest

[long kayak]

just a second question, should i stay with duskthread or go with focusing lens?

[plush tendon]

.... I also like Kings Rest

[plush tendon]

embellishments are so small

so just use what you like better

[nimble laurel]

I've done it on a 13 so far. Just have to stun and cd it accordingly.

[jaunty reef]

I see, whats your ilvl?

Im 625 and have done all 10s some 11s

[nimble laurel]

631

[plush tendon]

idk, pull 7 seems pretty standard

that was pretty common in BFA

[jaunty reef]

Didnt play that

idk whats common

I usually skip the 2 at the water and do them in 2 pulls instead

[plush tendon]

I guess for me it just depends on where that horse guy is pathing

[jaunty reef]

I just try to follow keystone.guru

[plush tendon]

cause you can do the horse with pull 7 or pull 8

[lone wren]

How in sikran hc can I survive the lung attack if the other tank does not taunt after both exposes? Like it hapens too often in pugs

[plush tendon]

or just chain

[drifting juniper]

guys

does anything random affect the count in Gb

i've done a route 10 thousand times and this time it became 99.56

after deplete i went back and everything is dead

[long kayak]

I do pull 7 on my warrior, 615ilvl. +11 , just shield wall and interrupt

[drifting juniper]

my question is i've done this exact route many times, how come this time it only became 99.56

is there any count Rng in grim batol

[long kayak]

did you kill a pack completely on dragons?

[drifting juniper]

yep i came back to start many times

[lone wren]

How u do 11 in one pull without healer going oom and people not dying?

[drifting juniper]

dude this is just an indication of percentange not how i actually pulled it

[lone wren]

Are u sure u pulled all in 7?

[drifting juniper]

yes i'm currently in the dungeon and 0 mobs remaining

[lone wren]

A ok I thought it was pulls all the other groups I have seen as pulls

[drifting juniper]

i think one of the mobs that has died fail to generate %

thanks blizzard

[simple goblet]

Mobs that die to your dragon while you are in a landing animation don’t get counted

[drifting juniper]

oh my god

[lone wren]

What???

So how u take that into account?

[buoyant lintel]

know the exact % you need to be at after the first boss

[simple goblet]

^

[chilly brook]

Ret paladins man

I swear....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828829782787227648/1308126513878532106/image.png?ex=673ccf40&is=673b7dc0&hm=5e36973594f62b4c7ed8609c0e89d89088cf151fec7985496406b529b193eac1&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405827164655583233/1308128499705446541/image.png?ex=673cd11a&is=673b7f9a&hm=a2d308ec2514c158a660b830147d8fc4834cfeef1d5d0899566fcbb7e914691b&

Hmmmm

I see a problem here

And it's not my ilvl

[cyan bronze]

Simple fix

Tell him to sac you

Take back shots

[chilly brook]

The simple fix is him not aiming the frontal into the healer and the mage

Tired of bricking 10s while trying to gear because some idiot can't do basic shit

like you're over 2600io there's no excuse for that shit

[mighty valley]

honestly impressive to line up the priest and the mage, good job

[stuck scaffold]

by that percentage a brute in the beginning didn't get counted, they are worth 3 count which is 0.44%

[drifting juniper]

Thanks

[chilly brook]

What's impressive is the ability of rets to have less brain function than warrior players

[mighty valley]

ret has always seemed so popular

i can't abide the paladin vibe

i guess ret paladin makes people feel like "the good guy... but with a cool edge"

[scarlet stone]

No it's just stupid easy

[inner oracle]

If you kill mobs with dragons at the exact time you land, it can bug and don’t count the %. To avoid that do not launch dragon attack if you are close to landing

[golden dagger]

What would you say is the ideal ilvl for tanking 10s?

Also am I the only one who gets fucked hard on the opening hallway in stone vault? lol

Team can never seem to stay alive

Might just pull smaller fuck it

[umbral kernel]

in my experience when farming 10s I prefer rets, because 90% of casters are dogshit or die to random things

at least ret is pretty solid

[inner oracle]

Tell your team they can outrange the golem AOE it’s 30 yards, all casters should take 0 dmg from it. You can also preset a stop rotation to ease this pull. It’s nice to have a stop rotation in 1st pull of Skar side too with lot of casters.

[chilly brook]

the ilvl you feel comfortable at?

I did a 10 at 608 or something just fine

[golden dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-whoa-gif-14216217

[chilly brook]

peeps were doing 10s the first week of M+

so

[umbral kernel]

yea this question makes little sense

[chilly brook]

It's just down to how comfortable you are with playing prot

[umbral kernel]

if you're asking this at this point of the season I would not go with less than 610 615

[golden dagger]

I just got back into wow

This isn’t a dick measuring contest I just asked lol

[scarlet stone]

If THIS is your response then I'd recommend 625

Otherwise 580.

[golden dagger]

perfect

[shrewd grove]

It's not a dick measuring contest. But it is a HIGHLY subjective question. People have timed 10s on prot at 600-ish ilvl. For some people they won't be able to live a 10 at 620. When your survivability is so highly tied to your own skill, and that of your party members, there's not a true answer. So people were giving you anecdotal answers bc that's the only thing that's relevant to your question.

Katakas response was blunt but correct. If you are this far into the season and haven't even attempted a 10, you're probably going to need more gear to help even the skill gap between you and the people timing 10s at 605.

[golden dagger]

I did a 10 last night but didn’t time it

But let’s just say had some questionable players on the squad lol

[tardy sequoia]

can you time 10s with bunten routes or better go advanced/play like the pros?

[shrewd grove]

You can time 10s without a route if people don't die

Can't think of a single dungeon you can't just hold W through and still time as long as people are pulling decent damage and not dying

[tardy sequoia]

i think you're overestimating players

[shrewd grove]

I'm not, but your route isn't going to fix them

[scarlet stone]

Overestimating pugs is real route pulls.

[shrewd grove]

Whether or not you time a 10 is significantly more impacted by the party skill than your route. As long as you're not somehow pulling 130% or going to 3rd boss of NW under % you're fine

Better to just play it by ear and pull what your party can handle, rather than rigorously sticking to a route or trying some crazy ass MDI pull on a pug 10

[cyan bronze]

guys can u tell me if my route is good

[remote anchor]

yea its good

[cyan bronze]

im thinking about doing this in my pug group what do u think

[scarlet stone]

I recommend adding G24 so you can skip G19 ezpz

[charred ivy]

how do u guys deal with slashes in mists? can reflect some etc but eventually no defensives etc left it feel like.

[eager phoenix]

sw, sr, sb

[scarlet stone]

we handle it the best out of any tank ezpz

barely hurts us

[charred ivy]

how barley hurts us xD outside of reflect they hurt alot even if have Shield wall up

[scarlet stone]

press IP? Defensive Stance?

[charred ivy]

ofc

[scarlet stone]

With shield wall up your hp bar shouldn't even move below like 15

spell block handles basically the entire duration of the double pack.

[charred ivy]

depends howfast u kill them i guess xD

[rancid tiger]

Ye most dungeons are straight forward

[indigo yoke]

Hey all… can anyone tell me if there’s a % uptime we should be aiming for for ignore pain and shield block for high keys? I understand that ideally we want 100% uptime on SB and I’m working on that, but just curious what % uptime I should be looking for before I start trying to pug 10s.

I’ve been steadily improving and currently average 77-88% uptime for both.

[proven plume]

uptime is kinda a fake stat just try to have shield block up whenever your in a pack and press IP when u think its gonna be hard or your in danger

[shrewd grove]

IP uptime is irrelevant. Hit it when you're going to overcap on rage. SB up for 100% of blockable hits

Fair honestly

[indigo yoke]

Oh hah I just heard it casually being mentioned in a podcast recently that ppl gotta get the ip and sb uptime higher to run high keys

Thanks

[proven plume]

its true that you need good uptime on those things but its more important to use things when you need them then to aim for a goal of uptime %

like saving rage at the end of a pack so you can IP the next pack will lower your uptime but be more effective

[indigo yoke]

Great advice thanks!

First time tanking this season after a 7 year break so still easing into some stuff

[lusty grotto]

tf happened to your brew, getting back to the ping last week

did you get bored of it?

[chilly brook]

Brew is fine

I just suck at WW

and WW is what I play in raid

[lusty grotto]

just install the AI shit

whatever its called

the WW Hekili

LOL

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

JeremyUI

that's what they're recommending over there anyway

[chilly brook]

eh

I'm just soured on it at this point

[lusty grotto]

also

dont forget

https://wago.io/PTAc84Jp- is 100% required

yeah idk

this expansion

[cyan bronze]

sucks ass

yeah

[lusty grotto]

is not horrible, ive just been

idk

i havent pushed keys nor have any desire to

i cant figure it out

its not WoW, but it adds up

[cyan bronze]

pretty generally people agree tanking doesn’t feel good this season

[lusty grotto]

ehh i dont really agree with that

its fine

[scarlet stone]

I certainly disagree, tanking feels great on war and pala.

[lusty grotto]

🤷 prot pallies

[scarlet stone]

Pala has to work harder for its survival which “sucks” but like.

[lusty grotto]

im so glad fotm rerollers moved away

holy fuck that was annoying

[chilly brook]

It feels fine this season

It's not tanking

[scarlet stone]

War feels fantastic.

[chilly brook]

It's the dungeon experience

Key squish was a mistake

[lusty grotto]

war feels exactly the same as DF

i think thats part of my problem

[scarlet stone]

The dopamine hits are there with thane, and the survival feels very automatic.

[lusty grotto]

i didnt quite see it at the start when jakey and co we're talking about it, but i get it now

[cyan bronze]

from quite a few people I’ve talked to, they haven’t enjoyed tanking this season

maybe it’s the key experience generally

but

[lusty grotto]

🤷

tanking isnt my problem with it

[cyan bronze]

shit just feels ass

[lusty grotto]

ive tanked for a LONG LONG time btw

[cyan bronze]

i log in think about doing keys log out play league

[lusty grotto]

so i know what im talking about

from experience

[chilly brook]

I mean a little more context is useful

[scarlet stone]

Pugging keys this season might not feel great, although I have t had that many issues. But tanking? Feels good.

[lusty grotto]

yeah tanking is fine

[chilly brook]

What changed? What is the pain point?

[cyan bronze]

dunno just feels badge

generally more reliant on healer might be a factor

[chilly brook]

That's not helpful

[chilly brook]

you're the same reliance on a healer as you were in DF

[cyan bronze]

I do not have a scientific reason for why something does not feel good

[scarlet stone]

Pwar ppal and DK barely rely on healer at all.

[chilly brook]

Like 95% of tanks did not see a noticeable shift

[cyan bronze]

maybe

[scarlet stone]

Guardian barely either.

[chilly brook]

It doesn't need to be scientific

[scarlet stone]

Pwar has to rely on healer if they have bad sb/ip uptime, but otherwise their hp bar simply doesn’t move outside of pulls where you need to kite after cds regardless.

[chilly brook]

But general "it just feels bad" doesn't do anything and doesn't help point to something specifically tank related

[lusty grotto]

anyway going back to what i said initially, i think my own personal problem with tww in general has been all the same-ey, but now for a longer season due to slow gearing, plus i have a shitton of RL garbage that has been popping constantly since i took my break from here

[cyan bronze]

dungeons don’t feel good to play, especially on tank, routing feels rather meh, feels very low agency compared to dragonflight but the validity of that statement may vary

dungeons all feel sort of jank

and gimmicky

[lusty grotto]

the only one i fucking keep hating is the first goddamn ship in Dawn

its a 50/50 chance i fucking clip through for some fucking reason EVERY SINGLE KEY

[proven plume]

lol those stairs into the first ship fukc wiht my leap so much it pisses me off

[lusty grotto]

i absolutely hate it

[chilly brook]

My problem is it's not similar enough

[lusty grotto]

but after that ship, its fine

[indigo yoke]

Yea the ships are hella buggy

[lofty warren]

Do you run around and grab adds on last miniboss (the one that shoots orbs and spawns adds) of dawn?

[cyan bronze]

dawnbreaker, mists maze, necrotic first area can have some janky pulls with soldier patrols and it’s a bit annoying, but can be alleviated, city of threads mid section,

[chilly brook]

Gearing was changed arbitrarily, as was the reward structure

[indigo yoke]

I do

[lusty grotto]

to be fair, i dont think the slow gearing is a bad decision

[chilly brook]

While also shortening the difficulty band which has pushed players that have no business in anything above a 7 into 10s

[cyan bronze]

like there’s genuinely not a dungeon i think is good in this pool

[lusty grotto]

its just not working with me right now

[chilly brook]

Cap

so cap

[lusty grotto]

due to personal reasons

[chilly brook]

Arakara is great

GB really isn't bad

[cyan bronze]

i hate ara kara so incredibly much

[lusty grotto]

also slow gearing makes alt play miles worse (because gilded farms become ridiculous)

[scarlet stone]

My main issue with gearing is for alts... Ruined crests need to be obtained in 8+ keys.

[cyan bronze]

gb probably the one I hate the least

[chilly brook]

Mists is great

[scarlet stone]

I love getting a new alt set up, jumping straight in to doing 10s with it, but then having to go back and farm 4s for ruined crests.

[cyan bronze]

mists is dog

[lofty warren]

Are you supposed to 4un around and grab adds on last miniboss (the one that shoots orbs and spawns adds) of dawn?

[chilly brook]

like it always was

[indigo yoke]

I actually really like some of these dungeons lol siege of boralus is a good time (imo Ofcourse)

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree, what ive been doing is just changing the ones below it up

[scarlet stone]

but you don't have any of those either

[chilly brook]

siege/CoT are the only two dungeons I don't like tbh

[lusty grotto]

since you get a shitton of them by just talking to rep dudes

well i do

[scarlet stone]

Well, I'm only rep 15

so

[lusty grotto]

get fucked

[scarlet stone]

from what I get out of the reps, I need to do TWENTY FIVE 4-7s

[cyan bronze]

also alt gearing just feels awful

no gilded catchup

[lusty grotto]

but yeah it does

[cyan bronze]

[scarlet stone]

simply to upgrade my hero track gear that I got from going straight to 10s.

[lusty grotto]

gilded alt gearing is fucking dogshit

[scarlet stone]

Everything else feels great about gearing up an alt

except having to go back and farm ruined crests.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess that depends on the alt

i couldnt go straight into 10s with chipadin

and i still havent capped gilded, im like 300 under

[scarlet stone]

and the catchup in gilded is brutal too for sure, but that part is at least less bad since the solution is to run the high keys you're trying to pus hanyways.

the problem I have with runed crests is it forces you to go do low level content that you're long past.

[lusty grotto]

and chipadin is 630

just raid

runed arent an issue

[cyan bronze]

runed weren’t an issue for me

[lusty grotto]

do a full heroic clear, youre done

[cyan bronze]

just like

gilded

[lusty grotto]

gilded yea

heavy agree

[scarlet stone]

I leveled my ppal a week and a half ago and got it to 625 within that week. But god the runed crests to go from around 616 to 625 was brutal.

[tulip remnant]

If the “crest farm” 8s werent a trap. It would be better

[cyan bronze]

also gl doing crest farms on sanguine week

[tropic tangle]

yeah, honestly just better doing 10s

[lusty grotto]

i dont even do anything under an 11, cause people are so bad at them

[tropic tangle]

or 11

[scarlet stone]

It's probably more of an issue for higher skill brackets since you skip the 4-7 range completely.

[cyan bronze]

i remember doing my crest farms first week, it was silly dispel sanguine affix

think every single set went off

[mighty valley]

sanguine week...?

what year is it

[cyan bronze]

dispel affix heals mobs to full

[lusty grotto]

its 2004 now that youre here

[cyan bronze]

idk what it’s called

[lusty grotto]

oh wait no, thats me

[cyan bronze]

xalataths 4th boring affix

[mighty valley]

nice. lf2m van cleef, staff reserved

[lusty grotto]

valid

[mighty valley]

the dispel affix has been pretty much a non-problem in my squad

[lusty grotto]

has ikari come back yet?

[mighty valley]

but i can imagine pugs being very asleep

[cyan bronze]

yes in a group none of the affixes are an issue

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it ikari died then 😦

[cyan bronze]

but running farm keys I don’t think I saw a single person dispel it

[lusty grotto]

that affix is next week

[tulip remnant]

I’m gearing a Blood DK to get my portals bc the healers I am finding in pug 10s aren’t playing with their hands on the keyboard

[lusty grotto]

btw

[cyan bronze]

im out of farm keys fwiw

have the gear to actually push

but like

[lusty grotto]

good riddance

[cyan bronze]

[lusty grotto]

see thats the problem with alt gearing too

"oh i have to do farm keys + gilded farm"

you know what

no thanks

[cyan bronze]

can it be season two yet

[lusty grotto]

fucking doing ara kara 200 million times again

[mighty valley]

maybe if the trading down felt less brutal

[plush tendon]

getting a alt to 619 is easy

anything past that.... fuckign chore

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats what we were talking about

[plush tendon]

though Im two weeks away from gilded discount

[lusty grotto]

im like 3 months away cause

ive had to swap

from arms

to fury

to now prot

in raid

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

GGs

[tulip remnant]

I have like 15 more 8s to time for my Warrior to be geared enough for me to not care

[plush tendon]

I just need crests to upgrade bracers +5, a ring +5, and a belt +1

[cyan bronze]

can we release earthenmentation and rework like 7 specs on 11.0.7

[heavy eagle]

I'm running into an issue where I don't know what to spend my rage on. I can't use Revenge fast enough and I'm already capped on Ignore Pain. Any ideas?

[cyan bronze]

and we can have degenerate fun

[lusty grotto]

just craft a ring and swap it noob

[cyan bronze]

as opposed to no fun

[plush tendon]

636 doesnt count

need 639

[lusty grotto]

oh

true

[cyan bronze]

ure joking

[plush tendon]

I wish I was

[cyan bronze]

that’s draconic.

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

/run local n=tInvert(Enum.ItemRedundancySlot),a;for i=0,16 do a = C_ItemUpgrade.GetHighWatermarkForSlot(i); if a < 639 then print(a, n[i]) end end

can run this

to see what you need

oh wait... does crafted count?

[cyan bronze]

not if you need 639

[ionic fern]

You don't look at Ignore Pain cap, unless you are preparing for a big hit. You just spam IP to avoid being rage capped. The vale you get out of AM/Indom/Outburst outweights the IP cap

[lusty grotto]

fucking agree

[plush tendon]

I dont know if I trust wowhead guy

[lusty grotto]

at least on the first sentnce

[plush tendon]

oh wait, hes complaining

[lusty grotto]

90 crests is ridiculous

[plush tendon]

dude, its so dumb

[cyan bronze]

idk it’s actually kinda insane that you need to raid to get the achievement

[plush tendon]

I have like 120 crests saved on my paladin

[cyan bronze]

m+ rerollers down horrendous

[plush tendon]

I just aint spending till I get my reduction in two weeks

[cyan bronze]

or just get full 639 gear in every slot from vault

[lusty grotto]

"let me craft on my alt to catch up" *remembers its 90 crests "oh wait nevermind, im good"

[scarlet stone]

I got tertiary khardros + sacbrood on main within like first 2 days. Still haven't seen a swarmlords on any toon yet :pepehands:

[tulip remnant]

Swarmlords is so hype

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean on a new alt

right now