Imo only last boss NW is really annoying
#protection
violet ginkgo
Hmmm if I play from tank perspective.. I think I will list a few.
- 2nd Boss NW that add spawn aggro is just random and sometimes quite spread even if I drag the boss to corner area.
- Last Boss Arakara, it's already chaotic and sometimes in your mind "I'll take that spot later for root." then you leap and your teammate turns out take it first.
- 3rd boss City of Thread, I honestly never really get this fight still. All I know is just absorb few orbs if the corner filled start moving to other corner.
- 1st boss Siege, he sometimes can pull party into cannon and wipe party.
jagged gust
Lmao, had a balance druid who couldn't interrupt the add when he went down 2 times in a row on the second down phase
violet ginkgo
he still living in DF era where he felt he can remove interrupt from action bar
jagged gust
Final boss arakara you can just leap out which negates that issue (except when you don't notice all the haste mobs pop and the cast is fucking instant)
violet ginkgo
173ms ping, I am not really dare to just leap out. I prefer to play it safe with that ping
tardy abyss
If that happens on the first boss siege thats your fault
jagged gust
3td boss cot is a nightmare, that room needs to be double the size
ionic fern
Hmmm if I play from tank perspective.. I think I will list a few.
- 2nd Boss NW ...
Ara kara - you can survive the pull in with a defensive. Or just leap.
Siege - just aim the cannon away from boss.
violet ginkgo
the cannon target tank?
ionic fern
They target whoever has threat..so yes,the tank.
jagged gust
I've never done siege past 10, never did quite understand based off other tanks I've ran with if I'm supposed to aoe them down on boss
pallid quiver
Ara kara - you can survive the pull in with a defensive. Or just leap.
Siege - j...
But I can't kill my DPS like that
ionic fern
They usually kill themselves on that boss,so it's fine.
pallid quiver
accurate
My experience in Siege is that they managed to kill themselves on everything
ionic fern
I've never done siege past 10, never did quite understand based off other tanks ...
You can aoe them down on the boss,but face the frontal away.
pallid quiver
Every trash pack, navigating the dungeon, every puddle of water, every boss,
getting to the dungeon
violet ginkgo
well yeah sometimes it's not me vs dps fighting for root spot, sometimes on the other side it's dps vs dps fighting for root spot.
sharp gale
You can aoe them down on the boss,but face the frontal away.
It’s like the trashs before the second boss, tank needs to not face it towards the party
violet ginkgo
I dunno like during I tried to just farm crest on 8 arakara, I reach last boss with 14 mins which is plenty but tons of wipe happens because of the root spot fighting.
violet ginkgo
That way nothing can happen
things still can happen among your dpses 
tardy abyss
That sounds hella cringe
violet ginkgo
that's why I kind of hate, just create 1 big pool and anyone can benefit from it rather than creating scattered and everyone gotta fight.
tardy abyss
I mean, pugs tend to not attacking the small ones at all
sharp gale
I dunno like during I tried to just farm crest on 8 arakara, I reach last boss w...
Just heroic throw few things if you want to be sure, more puddles will not do anything in 8s
tardy abyss
More puddles never do anything tbh
sharp gale
what if in 10s happy?
10 are 8s
violet ginkgo
3td boss cot is a nightmare, that room needs to be double the size
you ever wonder how can they design such fight, I mean if you going to make fight like that consider the room size too.
sharp gale
you ever wonder how can they design such fight, I mean if you going to make figh...
If the room is that small it’s 100% because they wanted it to be hectic in a small room, they considered the room size
tardy abyss
I just wish CoT wasnt a healer only dungeon
violet ginkgo
As in.... all boss mech targetted toward healer test?
tardy abyss
ye
There really is nothing else
Maybe a very little tank when you do massive pulls after the 2nd boss dunno
sharp gale
I just wish CoT wasnt a healer only dungeon
It’s a dungeon heavy on the healer but as dawnbreaker tbh
The only thing is that it’s one of the only reason you wipe in cot and not the only one in dawn
tardy abyss
yup
tribal herald
hi guys, which guide is more reliable wowhead or icy? i have to solve some doubts and i would like to know, without throwing shade to any of the authors obviously.
jagged pier
the are both as reliable as yet other and very good
tribal herald
awesome, thank you.
pallid quiver
Nome as of late is more active in chat, though, so if you want to ask questions, you're more likely to get a random note from Nome than Mwahi. Mwahi will always respond to a ping, though, so both authors are always available when they have time
sharp gale
It’s just UI preference, I know for some classes/spec they do have a little war against one or another
tribal herald
I have been a main warrior in the game for many years but I didn't know the status of both guides at the moment, thanks for your answers.
pallid quiver
If you're looking for DPS War guides, though, go with Wowhead
They're both actually written by the same person,
But Archi last I had checked prefers the format of Wowhead
ionic fern
Nome as of late is more active in chat, though, so if you want to ask questions,...
Don't bully. I'm in the middle of moving.
violet ginkgo
Let's ping mwahi more.
civic jackal
Hi all, how to you usually pull SV first 3 packs (corridor only) in +10s?
I seem to take a lot of damage
hoary pivot
Hi all, how to you usually pull SV first 3 packs (corridor only) in +10s?
Collect and press SW
I feel pretty stable after SW, but call for an external or commit another defensive if you do not
Don’t get hit in the back more than absolutely necessary
abstract pilot
@violet ginkgo where are you from with ping like that , even mine is around 150- 165
ionic fern
Hi all, how to you usually pull SV first 3 packs (corridor only) in +10s?
Feel free to SW while collecting enemies but try to face them as much as possible.
sharp gale
I usually Last Stand when I gather multiple packs
hoary pivot
I usually Last Stand when I gather multiple packs
That does not reduce the damage you take though.
sharp gale
That does not reduce the damage you take though.
It does give you more hp needed to be killed
blazing condor
also heals you 
violet ginkgo
<@105203366820323328> where are you from with ping like that , even mine is aro...
From SEA/OCE
abstract pilot
I've been safe timing it on the last 0.6 seconds , like its a last resort for me if the pools have gone bad
sharp gale
also heals you <:okayge:917646812519739433>
It heals you because if not you would have just 30% more but missing health no ?
sharp gale
Okok, I thought I missed something
blazing condor
yeah you get healed for the 30% increase in health
but it can still be useful as heal
and also makes your impending victory better
winged oar
is crafted sword + ascendance technically our bis over myth duelist dancing steel or what yall rocking? Maybe the dds plus double dusk thread for later myth bosses for the slight vers?
sick trellis
jagged pier
is crafted sword + ascendance technically our bis over myth duelist dancing stee...
Nope
369 is better
unkempt hazel
remote tusk
but it can still be useful as heal
Iirc the Last Stand heal used to be able to Crit, not sure if it still does.
analog solar
Hi, fellers. I really wanna play with Dragon's Roar instead of Spear, but to max it out I need to give up one point in Armored to the Teeth. How much of a loss is it? With my current armor I stand to lose around 3k strength, which is not insignificant...
sharp gale
Hi, fellers. I really wanna play with Dragon's Roar instead of Spear, but to max...
You can just don’t take all roars talents
analog solar
But then that CD isn't as much fun to use
sharp gale
Well idk, roar being 45 sec cd is already fun to use
crystal mauve
But then that CD isn't as much fun to use
This is where you might have to choose between fun and optimal
analog solar
That's why I was wondering how much I'd be sacrifcing
crystal mauve
That's why I was wondering how much I'd be sacrifcing
You can probably just sim it tbh
sharp gale
Yes you can just sim talents
I think I did a sim a while ago I try to find it
1 min 30, 10 targets to give the best chance to thunderous roar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wQizEyZwvNonUJwd8App77
ST 3 min (m+ build roar or spear)
And then
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dEMBHABf2WPaY8xQM46Xgn
5 targets, 1 min 30
tardy herald
Hi all, how to you usually pull SV first 3 packs (corridor only) in +10s?
I charge thunderclap first pack, heroic leap past the second into the third so I can minimize back shots.
Shield wall, Spell reflect
Then use the little wall protruding in the middle to LoS the everything into me.
Get my ignore pain flowing, use my second shield wall if necessary.
jaunty reef
My enhance shaman friend is mad I dont have aoe taunt for every pack, and even with avatar + double clap i sometimes lose aggro to him 😦 What do?
sharp gale
My enhance shaman friend is mad I dont have aoe taunt for every pack, and even w...
When exactly do you lose aggro ? When you gather multiple packs ? On regular packs ? 2 seconds into the pull ?
ionic yoke
Try doing more damage. He sure as hell won't stop cheesing the meters
jaunty reef
When exactly do you lose aggro ? When you gather multiple packs ? On regular pac...
Gather 2-3 packs, and then 2 secs into pull
jaunty reef
storm moon
arcane, enh and even rets tend to steal some aggro
jaunty reef
The usual no wipe 10+
Cant taunt fast enough if he gets oneshot
3/4 of those are one shots
sharp gale
Cant taunt fast enough if he gets oneshot
You can taunt before you lose aggro
storm moon
my plater profile shows me when im going to lose aggro
jaunty reef
But how do you know youre about to lose aggro?
storm moon
i mostly pre taunt it
sharp gale
On the prio mob
sharp gale
But how do you know youre about to lose aggro?
When you have an arcane mage or an enh m, you know there will be 1 mob that you will lose aggro when they cd, just need to know which mob they are likely choose
jaunty reef
When you have an arcane mage or an enh m, you know there will be 1 mob that you ...
Can I see when they use CDs?
lofty warren
I keep getting logged out of bnet after going away from comp for a while. Is there a way to just stay logged in forever?
jaunty reef
like a visual?
sharp gale
Can I see when they use CDs?
Yes with omni cd
It’s nice to know if you can pull big or not or do trashs before boss in some dungeon
civic jackal
like a visual?
Check Quazii nameplates and profile https://quazii.com/the-war-within-plater-nameplates-profile/
sharp gale
Like you pull the last boss of mist but 2 dude cd the pack before, they will be mad that you bl on pull or not do a pack
lofty warren
Get nowhere name plates they are better
cyan bronze
playing with enh you should know what mob their prio targetting, and have that mob either focus targeted for taunt, or just be quick to taunt it when the rip
having good nameplates helps, jundies, etc
cyan bronze
it’s difficult on a spec like prot where you have limited prio agro to not occasionally get ripped off by enh
but that also
cyan bronze
is that not what I was suggesting
tough patio
https://youtu.be/nCqDdsZY7RA?t=288
Tanks IRL
short grove
Hi, never played warrior. One question about spell reflect: A lot of times spells are cast at random party members. Will spell reflect also reflect those or only the one casted on me?
lusty kernel
Hi, never played warrior. One question about spell reflect: A lot of times spell...
Just you
It also acts as a magic dr
short grove
Is there a weakaura or something that tells you when it targets you?
lusty kernel
Yeah, Critcake has a link under his ui tab in his discord. I’m currently at work and having a hard time trying to get access to the link
short grove
Thank you guys
sharp gale
Take a shaman -> speed totem to dispel everyone, I don’t think you can intervene
past sedge
knife throw
sharp gale
Speed totem dispel the dot
sharp gale
They have it, it’s in class tree
They need to take the jet stream talent just under wind rush totem, he drops it when ice sickles* and everyone stands in it
upbeat lake
I feel like theres something i don't understand about simming, i just did it for the first time on raidbot and it gave me 615k dps but i already do way over that in all the keys i run. And then it also says i should have 40% ignore pain uptime which is insanely low it doesn't make sense
tardy abyss
Youre probably simming ST, no?
upbeat lake
ST?
tardy abyss
Single target
upbeat lake
ohhh yeah i see i can change the options
it still says ignorepain uptime at 42% which doesn't make sense to me but at least the damage makes more sense now
tardy abyss
you dont use sims for any kind of defensive stuff
analog cradle
How do you guys deal with the adds for Amarth in NW? Even when I pull the boss to the corner they still spawn everywhere. I don't have the resources to group up the casters and crossbow guy, and I try to save my kick for the boss.
lofty warren
I keep getting logged out of bnet after going away from comp for a while. Is there a way to just stay logged in forever?
upbeat lake
How do you guys deal with the adds for Amarth in NW? Even when I pull the boss ...
Dash to whichever mage is the closest, try to get aggro on all the melees so they can sit under boss and get cleaved down, then dash to 2nd mage, and finally the crossbowguy
thats what i usually do
you can also use an orb on a set of ads to keep them interrupted, theres one near before the boss, after the big necromancer pack
mighty valley
I keep getting logged out of bnet after going away from comp for a while. Is the...
no, afkers get kicked
round pendant
gd I wish gearing alts wasn't so fucking slow
lament pike
Anyone knows strong aoe dmg colossus build for quick low(7-9) m+ farming?
cyan bronze
CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY0YAAAAYmZGmZGMbzsMzMz2CjhpxgxMAWGzMDYmZYgZMDAAAAAAYGAgZxGgBYzMGWIDMDL0YjZB
smth like that would prob be most dmg
violet ginkgo
hmmm I mean even if that is 7-9 farming I think better still picking spellblock and indomitable?
7-9 tyran boss can still hit quite hard sometimes
tepid reef
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
Is there an updated version of this that doesn't bug out on all the Dawnbreaker minibosses? I'm tanking and the spells are not targeting me but this always triggers.
cyan bronze
hmmm I mean even if that is 7-9 farming I think better still picking spellblock ...
He asked for damage
I gave damage
woven ice
sharp gale
Is there an updated version of this that doesn't bug out on all the Dawnbreaker ...
i know it bugs out, i don't follow it 100% since i tank and it's obviously made for dps
the miniboss is not a bug i think, it's to reflect the dot but you don't know who gets it if i remember
violet ginkgo
which one is better
You are torn between 2 trinket in vault? I’ll pick shard
rancid tiger
Shard good big envy
crystal turret
Yeah shard lines up perfectly with ravager and spear for big damage
wintry gate
You are torn between 2 trinket in vault? I’ll pick shard
or should i get the use one instead of this one
crystal turret
Sacbrood is BiS
cyan bronze
it's not haste which is shit
wintry gate
qotd
normal summit
Do u hold reck/ava for odyn's fury...if out of sync?
mighty valley
as protection? generally no
cyan bronze
As protection? Its rotation defining, so yes
normal summit
sry wrong thread....was meant to write that in fury
wintry gate
Secondly, use that
what the shard XD
ionic yoke
what the shard XD
Yes
wooden widget
Am I supposed to have shield wall back in between piercings on silken court?
Feels weird to hold a demo shout. I’m reluctant to ask for an external cuz we just started prog and I know healers be stressing
violet ginkgo
what about this ring? it's not haste which is shit
well this one is sim issue
wintry gate
well this one is sim issue
im just taking the shard of omen
crystal turret
Am I supposed to have shield wall back in between piercings on silken court?
Not sure what difficulty you’re talking about. But we do really well against that. For heroic typically as long as you have shield block up and some ignore pains, it shouldn’t even move your health bar.
I can comfortably take 2-3 without any major cds
violet ginkgo
well according to sense's doc piercing strike is physical but unblockable type so IP/Demo shout/Def Stance/Shield wall
mighty valley
you can always hold demo during prog while optimal dps on your opener doesn't really matter
since everyone's still figuring out wtf to do
and living/not stressing out healers matters more til everyone's comfy
upbeat lake
Is there really a faster way to do stonevault? I did a +12 and granted we had some deaths but even without the death timers we still wouldn't have been able to time it
like there isn't much trash you can decide to skip besides before the double boss, i usually just go to the right side of the 2 loaders and clear that corner
mild swan
do we use double wall now for m+?
jagged pier
no
wooden widget
and living/not stressing out healers matters more til everyone's comfy
I know this in my head. But my heart is saying send demo on the vuln phase.
But you’re right. I will hold.
mighty valley
I know this in my head. But my heart is saying send demo on the vuln phase.
sadly they don't give out trophies for "sickest parse on vuln phase of wipe #32 of silken court prog"
wooden widget
Thank god I don’t have enough shelf space if they did
I kinda was just hoping I could get shield wall back in time and send demo but you’re right I prolly can’t
mighty valley
how far off are you from getting it back? you can feel it out
wooden widget
It’s like 15 seconds
Which is like a few lucky shield slams
15 seconds of fight time later. Taking into account whatever slams I’m doing in those 15 seconds
Sonora actually further than I think
mortal pecan
What's the general approach to upgrading gear? I have a mix of champion and heroic. Should I just upgrade them to 8/8 until I can get mythic?
wooden widget
There’s no real limitation anymore on crests. So unless you’re in a rush and you want to spam m+ to save crests by looting everything you can at 613 from 7+ keys
You send
How efficient do you wanna be? How much time do you have to play? What’s your access to mythic gear?
violet ginkgo
How efficient do you wanna be? How much time do you have to play? What’s your ac...
Hmmm not sure. Quite plenty time to play. Access to mythic so far from M+ vault. Sometimes when I seek mythic raid 4/8 boss it’s not always there.
So what will be the advice? Just try to snipe the myth raid group in premade?
wooden widget
In that case I’d say only send runed on heroic track. Save all gilded for each weeklymythic upgrade you might get.
Except trinkets and weapons maybe go 626
edgy cairn
Hey guys, based off my gear/stats, what next two pieces do you think I should craft, first time tanking https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kjfc9q28ZnhLwet5iykqNZ
For m+(
(***
remote anchor
Hey guys, based off my gear/stats, what next two pieces do you think I should cr...
legs probably
pallid quiver
Don't bully. I'm in the middle of moving.
It's not bully, I just miss you
crisp crown
Whatsup gamers
im looking for a spell reflection macro, to announce it in chat, BUT, i spam the hell out of that button so i want it to only say it in chat when i actually " use " it
summer lake
Guys, how to check my critical block chance? Not the increase from mastery, but the current one.
And also what critical block chance scale from originally?
shrewd grove
im looking for a spell reflection macro, to announce it in chat, BUT, i spam the...
That's gonna be a WA, not a macro
barren oar
tribal wharf
SV
yes? i have to do it this way?
does the fireball only go to me so i have to bait it away
lofty warren
https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1/4
I have a weak aura that tells me to reflect when only reflectable things are cast on me. Will this one tell me when reflectable OR deflectable casts are on me?
barren oar
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9/2
this one does that
vague imp
Hey folks, I've been struggling a lot with some of the trash in Mists of Tirna Scithe at +10-11. I need all my cooldowns and can still die.
Just wondering the best way to live the big pack towards the end of the maze? Not in-game atm so can't get specifics, think it's 5 or 6 mobs.
Should I be kiting more, or playing a more defensive build?
Best guess, of course, since I don't have logs right now.
tired girder
Team i am new to protection and have one question, how important is to use ignore pain over shield block? SB is mandatory over IP?
barren oar
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9/2
this one does that
user discretion though because some tank buster boss abilities need you to hold SR for them
jagged pier
Team i am new to protection and have one question, how important is to use igno...
never
SB is always the prio
barren oar
Hey folks, I've been struggling a lot with some of the trash in Mists of Tirna S...
it sounds like youre having issues with the guardian pulls. the anima slashes cant be ranged. spell reflect is big there. spell block is also highly effective. dwarf racial too.
ionic fern
Guys, how to check my critical block chance? Not the increase from mastery, but ...
Critical Strike.
cyan bronze
it sounds like youre having issues with the guardian pulls. the anima slashes ca...
oh you can dwarf off anima slash?
or are you referring to the fox bleed
lofty warren
I think you can reflect the anima slash so you don't get the debuff
vague imp
it sounds like youre having issues with the guardian pulls. the anima slashes ca...
Yep, those ones 😄 thanks mate
turbid shuttle
Hey folks, I've been struggling a lot with some of the trash in Mists of Tirna S...
Reflect anima slash as much as possible. Shield wall/spell block/demo/whatever else to live ones you can't.
On 2 guardian packs, if you spell reflect a few seconds before the first slash you'll have it back for the second slash on the second set. I.e. You go reflect -> get hit ------ get hit -> reflect.
Then you shield wall 3rd set.
You also cannot dwarf anima slash, but you can fox bleed. So dwarf that if you get it on a guardian pack.
lofty warren
How do you do the last boss on stonevault? Feel like i always mess up dropping the pools location and get sucked into the bad circle
cyan bronze
You also cannot dwarf anima slash, but you can fox bleed. So dwarf that if you g...
Ty
turbid shuttle
Drop pools outside of room. You can leap out -> charge back in every other iirc.
Clear your debuff last after everyone else. Portals spawn on swirlies so you can pre-move if necessary.
lofty warren
How to clear debuff?
lofty warren
Yes I died to the 1 shot. Clear at how many stacks?
mighty valley
i just clear when there's a free portal and everyone else is kinda stable
usually let dps/healer take the first round of portals but grab one before yours gets outta control
turbid shuttle
It doesn't stack but it does do more damage over time
What I do is let healer and DPS take them first, and I clear on the first available portal after they've cleared
They come in pairs always. So there will be 2 up -> debuff goes out -> 2 people clear -> 2 more spawn -> 2 more people clear -> 2 more spawn -> you clear last
heavy eagle
what are some good metrics to measure a good tank, other than dps?
chilly brook
Hey folks, I've been struggling a lot with some of the trash in Mists of Tirna S...
You’re likely not dedicating cooldowns to anima slash
lofty warren
Ehrps
chilly brook
Reflect the ones you can, spell block the ones you can’t or shield wall
chilly brook
what are some good metrics to measure a good tank, other than dps?
Depends on the tank
lofty warren
Feel like they can just remove spell block and make it 100% passive
ionic yoke
I mean... Prot Pallies can block spells passively. Who's to say Prot Warr shouldn't do the same?
chilly brook
Prot paladin is also not completely balanced around block and having close to 100% blocked hits….
Nor do they crit block
cyan bronze
Specs shouldn’t be compared so directly
chilly brook
Honestly so true
cyan bronze
Paladin also doesn’t have a raid buff
Why does vdh have two charges of leap but we don’t¡¡
Why does vdh leap function as an effective dash and ours like a jump
Blizzard doesn’t want specs to be uniform, and comparing them in a way that uniformity is the expectation is not conducive to reality
pallid quiver
Because jump better; it sometimes lets you go over mechanics
ergo, vdh in the trash
cyan bronze
Because jump better; it sometimes lets you go over mechanics
ergo, vdh in the t...
Because they aren’t even compared in blizzards eyes
So they are only in the same category in that they’re movement abilities
dusky furnace
If I'm most often Delving solo, would it be better for clear time to go for Colossus or just stick to Mountain Thane with the generic Mythic+ setup?
vague imp
You’re likely not dedicating cooldowns to anima slash
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on that.
wet thistle
New to warrior, just hit 80:
Is it better to be in battle stance and just macro your defensive stance over shield wall or something similar?
Should stance switching be common at all?
blazing condor
you treat defensive stance like a defensive cd
you use when you need
if you dont need it you sit in battle stance
wet thistle
That's what I figured, since I assume battle stance also enhances shield block's crit chance
chilly brook
but you can be lazy now
blazing condor
chilly brook
much less punishing than in DF
blazing condor
oye def stance got buffed
chilly brook
It's just something you gotta decide whether you want to or not
(we recommend you take advantage of the extra performance of b stance)
wet thistle
I'm trying out warrior after coming from Monk
Monk is super fun, but it got significantly less fun after snapping got mostly removed
Seems like I can just sit in the middle of packs as a warrior
Which is interesting
Less healer reliant
chilly brook
Seems like I can just sit in the middle of packs as a warrior
You don't as a monk?
Maybe I'm just utilizing non above 12 privelege on mine
wet thistle
I do, but it's more healer reliant so sometimes I have to dip out and RoP my way to safety
At least with warrior I have an oh-shit heal button in impending victory and like 6 defensives
Monk has.. expel harm. das it.
chilly brook
You definitely live more on the edge as monk but I feel reasonably in control on mine tbh
wet thistle
Yeah, they buffed them enough to not be.. ass in some situations like magic damage
chilly brook
And I can face tank some things warriors can't
Such as the whole right hallway in SV
wet thistle
Lol
chilly brook
Dodge kinda nutty against the tank debuff there
wet thistle
I need to play this expac more, I am just fiddling around with Warrior to see how I like it
chilly brook
Great class
wet thistle
Windwalker is just way too good right now to avoid playing
chilly brook
some might say the greatest
chilly brook
Windwalker is just way too good right now to avoid playing
Meanwhile me, raid logging on my monk because fuck me I can't get good performance out of WW
wet thistle
WW has similar resource management to Rogue in the way of needing to understand the flow
They're just WAY more forgiving than rogue, and have huge energy spikes for no reason
chilly brook
I'll just be a filthy dragon for dps and reroll back to warrior for my main team
chilly brook
They're just WAY more forgiving than rogue, and have huge energy spikes for no r...
see the weird thing is, I've played rogue and can put good numbers/parses up, I just can't with monk idk why
wet thistle
Are you maximizing SWF?
chilly brook
I'm sure it's something silly/stupid I'm overlooking but at this point I can't be fucked
chilly brook
I'd honestly just play my evoker for my main team but I'm using it to raid with an irl buddy in his first mythic tier
wet thistle
one (or even all 3) can just randomly fuck off to different targets in an aoe scenario
if one of the targets dies
Also make sure you're using RSK > SWF > RSK for max damage
chilly brook
ye
wet thistle
It stacks
chilly brook
already doin
wet thistle
Bet bet
chilly brook
nah
fort is good tbh
you just really are more reliant on a healer than most other tanks
wet thistle
Nah it's fine, it's just really lame to have to use fort brew on random packs when your healer gets caught lacking
cyan bronze
Ah
chilly brook
but if you're doing your job, you're making it easy to do so
Brew clicks pretty well for me
wet thistle
pubs just be pubs sometimes
chilly brook
It's honestly just a lot more about being super proactive with your defensives
stuff like anima slash is a meme on monk if you do
wet thistle
Yeah monk goes crazy as a tank, I really like them
chilly brook
diffuse giga good
wet thistle
It's just big packs are a lot less fun to do
wet thistle
You don't get the feeling of being an unkillable god as monk with big packs
chilly brook
Yeah brew is best in a group that plays around 5-8 targets tbh
chilly brook
yeah both of them kinda scale on pull count
wet thistle
Fuck, it's time, VDH is fun as hell
Warrior seems cool too ngl
I rolled dracthyr warrior
But VDH calls for me from the darkness
cyan bronze
Vdh is fun if you can handle the depression
dusky furnace
So, would I get any benefit to clear speeds doing Delves with Colossus compared to Mountain Thane, or nah?
cyan bronze
This entire tier is just depressing for vdh
chilly brook
Vdh is fun if you can handle the depression
I was messing with it a bit, it's fun cuz you play like a DPS rn with fel scarred but you kinda feel like poop after your big window
cyan bronze
I was messing with it a bit, it's fun cuz you play like a DPS rn with fel scarre...
Do you notice how you didn’t even mention aldrachi
chilly brook
yeah because that's too much effort to play around
wet thistle
So, would I get any benefit to clear speeds doing Delves with Colossus compared ...
I don't think this has been explored by those active here atm
chilly brook
wet thistle
Sorry m8
ionic yoke
Isn't Aldrachi the glaive one
chilly brook
Isn't Aldrachi the glaive one
yuh
cyan bronze
Yeah do you wanna know the worst part 🙂
chilly brook
And also isn't Fel Scarred just as tanky if not more?
cyan bronze
Reavers glaive was ogcd the entire beta cycle
ionic yoke
Good thing I don't tank as vdh anymore...
cyan bronze
And then they added a gcd to it
chilly brook
I'm sure there are some things where it shines more than fel scarred
cyan bronze
With optimal play(perfect), it’s generally more tanky than fel scarred
However it struggles on very large pulls and very scary moments, along with being much harder to play, is why it’s less popular
And it feels like giga ass
There’s like, tjuan and sometimes yoda who play it in high keys
olive kettle
Anyone have a macro that says "Spell Reflection is up" when I ACTUALLY use it, not when I'm spamming it and it's not ready yet
cyan bronze
can a macro even work for that?
olive kettle
or a WA or whatever
cyan bronze
might have to do a wa that checks for the buff then sends message
shrewd grove
Would have to be a WA, yeah
eternal terrace
or a WA or whatever
theres a WA in critcakes discord
shrewd grove
Anyone have a macro that says "Spell Reflection is up" when I ACTUALLY use it, n...
!WA:2!1rvqVTrru4A8bKwHkflrujWbtIKfiKQOjQfqco41Dn1iN4W6nnfHqBMDN3U7qhpZOzM1jUOEXIdCoCMl(mCXsWpG8lyveIFa5Nq)fWB21crrK9YmV3(M37799(MP1WoZ6q7q)PpqllTCMa0tooA8OddUIuAlK6jkltkmEQpIYmkozreCUnotQNrSXQylBgetxiiZyPX2cnykKC6c9IjzzgW2AnrKIz5ijtytgeCyuqOQ7nNPgRwQ7KwASYzUiowrjwieMdc71iMKyaS0tyuBHFF0utsRr4ddnwI26LKXemtHNpUy9wA1S8CqBUDp9MT)LU0ahsMbNETPmPoVtlZYyNVoEq)PrXtJ6hgDfwL0cWmTqE2eXLM6L(yLMdvEjpgiCS8LyfsCDcOx52hCoZynfxqk1eKraZ2H7T)NT3hV0OaoFe14fw727Fk8rAalC40JcgpwlptmrWxCQVDHccDjzVvuibXwe6q)4GXhn84Xxuk20iEQ3IuJOOg7dKu4xVLANBMENjPXAKnpv17MdId5K0fXzCPuxS8mPMEIMOwEYMn(zsHvDNHA2Z7(1LekMps3OOvylfc5UjX2BvT7vOzcj9z5OSsq95scDUVH9CyRWzLClZ76uoXyIjcAmYoP9smmroh(5Q99sSeoYnBvT)w3T1F8It9DbGwEQo4Kl(vp4PH12UFVY93MZwS0HYPy9ENRmfeQ8SN2iiBRpFJYCLUgToQ13ISWfebZjTKIhwD7Hxcedm1QbrUT41R21xifWvuCM4Ii2nH0givkOMLUqDPPY3FgHjgw1hpqLF1GQhvfGRV5)1J6D)Fz)MnHUHavT7npGuAiLzqy0ELdaSA5)29cr9A6Zgw1P9Y5enJKWbFNUnCoHxcT3rQ25Z)cDAbrKJkZEvh27sulAi5qD7CX0dqDFy)rpsVXTQ3pOT3)fD)2Po5B3qiJdP2VRlZ0T)GOrpj497whWsLwI0HDHpMC7g((BAO537wxyaEwZ9F)jrrtoq)94DBw2c)XbdJwzLPZrQeBH7263(9Dyu1B)kLR7acNJpnTxjJUw)HFA0OXJ(sEWW1zA8QeoHq5x7x28kZqNl3Kiz6GWGGddtLCP(RAJFjitLXY90mHRCqX6)f)(ARBW8G6WB1Qv7v4TsGw)iZp(gRzIMbacsVxIncOfe(tAq9V0XK8G7D)p5EpOZ8)8P)9
shrewd grove
Anyone have a macro that says "Spell Reflection is up" when I ACTUALLY use it, n...
That should be what you are looking for
olive kettle
love u, thanks
shrewd grove
cedar rune
Is there a trick to last boss of threads??? Dps dying to orbs and I’m not sure if there’s something I can do better for placement
I just kite around the edge of the room right? As swirlies spawn??
jagged gust
kite in circles and dps stack on you
cedar rune
Okay, is there any way to get further away from the swirls?? They’ll travel far if we get far from orbs right?
Like there’s no benefit to getting really far from the orbs?
jagged gust
Longer travel distance, slightly more reaction time
cedar rune
Gotcha okay
jagged gust
some people are slow
just give yourself room to leap or run away when the tank buster comes out
shrewd grove
I've done 12s with 0 raid gear. Just need to use Catalyst charges to get tier set
Idk why raid gear would be better
violet ginkgo
Idk why raid gear would be better
Because I think if you can raid on mythic then potentially get myth track instantly (if winning the roll) compared to m+ where you have to purely wait in vault.
shrewd grove
I guess that's fair, but still not inherently better. Just potentially more accessible high tier loot if you need shit from the first 4
kind urchin
If you don't raid you can fill with some 636 crafted gear too while you slowly get your vault myth track pieces. Should help from being too far behind.
analog imp
yo guys, anyone know if this talent actually works? because im at the training dummies and my maximum ignore pain value is the same in colossus with or without this, and the same even in mountain thane
or am i misunderstanding how its supposed to work at the basest level
austere sleet
probably been asked but with AoE spells like frostbolt volley in NW and Molten Metal in SV, I'm assuming if I reflect everyone else still gets hit right? so not really worth leaving a cast go through to get a bit more damage for me
shrewd grove
probably been asked but with AoE spells like frostbolt volley in NW and Molten M...
Correct
wet thistle
So each ip is 20% more ip
So 60% damage instead of 50% damage
Pretty good tbh
Can't hate on an extra 10%, that's basically a defensive stance passively
cyan bronze
No
Every time you hit ip
you get 20% absorb shield
Cap is still the same, still 50%
buoyant drift
Howdy, just took my warrior out of the garage for the season. Are those sigil not good for us?
frank crystal
not sure if i should craft a weapon or just upgrade my gear with the crests.
arctic quarry
Every time you hit ip
So it only affects single cast of IP to ~1.2mil instead of 1mil? And no effect on max cap at ~3mil instead of 3.6mil?
mighty valley
So it only affects single cast of IP to ~1.2mil instead of 1mil? And no effect o...
correct, it's the cast value, not the cap or the dr%
pallid quiver
yo guys, anyone know if this talent actually works? because im at the training d...
To elaborate, you hit the cap faster, not that it reduces more damage at a time or that iot increases the cap
oh harrow beat me to it
violet ginkgo
So uh... I manage to finally jump to mythic raid (way too late I know) and beat the first two boss. I am not planning way too big and just aim for the first 4.
What I want to ask
For Sikran and Rash is there anything tank spesific that different from heroic? So far Ulgrax and Blood for tank mostly same as heroic.
lost wyvern
last boss in necrotic wake does physical damage??? lmfao i thought he was pure caster
mental scarab
jaunty reef
Usually just use Keystone.Guru for routes, but my friends want to pull more/faster, but idk where to find more advanced routes that are good I feel? Do you guys have any YouTubers besides Quazii that do like protection warrior PoV routes and stuff like that?
I dont see any in Pins here
violet ginkgo
last boss in necrotic wake does physical damage??? lmfao i thought he was pure c...
That last boss is one of the easiest for tank you can just chill around. Just make sure to avoid the raining ice and you are good.
jaunty reef
And I can YouTube it, but im not sure ill get really good and quality guides/playthroughs
arctic quarry
Usually just use Keystone.Guru for routes, but my friends want to pull more/fast...
Maybe you should check kiratank_tv?
jaunty reef
Ill try that thanks
tribal wharf
......................................
moutain dude and big sippin?
really?
might have to stay subbed to see that
well, they are being led by leroy jenkins so it cant be that bad
fallow hinge
just finished maxing out chest and legs, what should my next upgrades be?
wicked pollen
different rings and trinkets
violet ginkgo
just finished maxing out chest and legs, what should my next upgrades be?
Helmet and shoulder if you talk about ilvl. Trink and rings need to be updated too like gio said.
queen summit
Hey, wonder if anybody could tell me if its just me or do u also get rekt by the Shredders dot in siege ?
Was just in a +12 siege and u just kept eating my ignore pain up.
violet ginkgo
yes it is a bleed and a scary one, you can shield wall it temporarily but well everything else is up to the healer to top you up.
nimble laurel
You can also stun them
Anyone consistently breaking 1 mil dps in 12s and higher? I feel like I've about capped out in the 800k to 900k range depending on dungeon. Running mountain thane.
round pendant
depends on the key and whether people grief or not
violet ginkgo
You can also stun them
the sad thing is the stun got diminishing return
shrewd grove
Anyone consistently breaking 1 mil dps in 12s and higher? I feel like I've about...
Pull bigger?
shrewd grove
Are you dropping your route before key? If you are, and they're not ready, that sounds like a them problem
violet ginkgo
I mean in the CoT I usually type something like this: I pull till the first big guy, I will interupt the first two caster then help me interupt so they come to me.
2 different party they phail, yes it's a them problem but still... Can't trust pug
shrewd grove
Why are you not bringing the big guy back to the first pack so you don't need as many interrupts?
You aggro first pack, interrupt far left mob. Pull the big guy, turn around and drag them into first pack
Only need 1 interrupt and you can hit it yourself
violet ginkgo
I bring him back
but just in case those caster cast again while I am still pulling him back
I will be out of interupt range
so I normally charge thunderclap and disrupting shout (instantly interupt 2 of them) so all of those 4 follow me while I jump to the big guy to heroic throw
shrewd grove
And then going back to first pull? Bc you shouldn't need any other interrupts to help you group that pull
Big dude just walks right up to you
edgy bone
Any 3100+ io prot warriors in here that actually talk to people instead of living in their cave
edgy bone
so I normally charge thunderclap and disrupting shout (instantly interupt 2 of t...
Could I see your talent tree with disrupting shout?
violet ginkgo
nothing special just nome's build move bloodsurge to shout
edgy bone
Where's his build posted?
mighty valley
it’s the one in the faq channel and wowhead guide
tribal wharf
the duo you just invited that bricks your key
im assuming big sippin on the left, so much green its kinda cursed
warped patrol
Hi, what is the best M+ alternative for Swarmlord trinket?
violet ginkgo
nothin'
frosty cliff
Hi, what is the best M+ alternative for Swarmlord trinket?
throngus finger or ceasless swarmgland, but it's not even close
nothing comes close to swarmlord
warped patrol
is throngus finger better than khardros? wanna know what loot spec to chose for farming grim batol before i drop swarmgland
tribal wharf
no, because while you take no dmg from a dodge
you are already too busy blocking and parrying
shrewd grove
Throngus better bc of name alone
tribal wharf
and thus the dodge likely wont even roll a chance to happen on melees recieved
dont we get positives from blocking and parrying attacks?
jagged gust
Hi, what is the best M+ alternative for Swarmlord trinket?
Literally almost anything
rough niche
sup guys, any thoughts about collosus in comparison to mountain thane on 12+ keys? i swear collosus hits like a truck man wtf
mighty valley
it's less sturdy but you can do it
shrewd grove
sup guys, any thoughts about collosus in comparison to mountain thane on 12+ key...
People do it. Only way to find out if you can is to try
dry pulsar
Does spell reflect work on Cosmic Singularity on the last boss of Ara-Kara? Or does it just give the flat 25% DR?
shrewd grove
Truly not even worth trying to cheese it. You can just tank the hit up to like +12.
Spell Block 1st/3rd and then Shield Wall+Spell Reflect 2nd/4th. Keep doing that forever, never take a puddle, never die
It's 100% blockable, so you take 0 damage on those. And with Shield Wall + Spell Reflect the damage is a joke on the even casts
tawdry fjord
FUCK these prot palas
its easier for me to get invited for keys with 620 ilvl pala then 633 prot warr x(
shrewd grove
People are dumb, what are you gonna do
scarlet stone
It's 100% blockable, so you take 0 damage on those. And with Shield Wall + Spell...
Or you can LITERALLY take 0 damage by pressing heroic leap for EVERY SINGLE ONE. And still have your shield wall and sr for running around with your head cut off.
Like what kind of actual brain dead argument is that?
Don’t use heroic leap to negate it completely because you can rotate CDs to live it instead.
shrewd grove
Or you can LITERALLY take 0 damage by pressing heroic leap for EVERY SINGLE ONE....
I fuck up the timing bc I play on my laptop a lot
So I figured out a different way
Not like you need those CDs for the fight anyway. Nothing in last boss hits tank for beans
All I said is it's not worth trying to cheese it when it's so easy to just live the hit. If you feel differently that's fair, but I don't have any issues with my strat and there's 0 chance of failure for it
queen summit
Just use the weakaura 🙂
shrewd grove
Just use the weakaura 🙂
Tried, net connection on my laptop at work isn't consistent enough
Sometimes I leap when it says to and I get sucked anyway. Or I freeze midair lol
queen summit
ohh, i get that.. that sad 😦
shrewd grove
The struggles of working too damn much. Capitalism sucks
urban bane
Doesn't being hit by it reduce your damage a shittone?
shrewd grove
Ohhhh, interesting. The damage taken increase hasn't been a problem for me. That's so weird. Damage done being reduced is rouuuugh
Good to know. Maybe I try to puddle the even sucks then
I imagine Spell Blocking it doesn't give you the debuff. I'll have to check
urban bane
Hmm I'd be surprised if Spell Blocking immunes the debuff application.
scarlet stone
All I said is it's not worth trying to cheese it when it's so easy to just live ...
Buts it’s a THREE SECOND WINDOW
it’s not like you’re trying to do some fucking frame perfect trick. You have THREE SECONDS of timing.
shrewd grove
There's no shot it's 3 seconds
Final boss of AK?
Absolutely not
Also, brother you're coming in here REAL hot. I need you to breathe
scarlet stone
3 second cast, you have to heroic leap anywhere between 0.5s and 0s of the cast bar.
shrewd grove
We're having a civil discussion
shrewd grove
3 second cast, you have to heroic leap anywhere between 0.5s and 0s of the cast ...
Correct. So a half second window
On spotty internet that's not super doable
scarlet stone
Thats not how that works.
shrewd grove
I mean, I can clip it next time I run the dungeon
scarlet stone
You have 2.5s of warning
shrewd grove
Since apparently you know my laptop/connection better than I do
shrewd grove
You have 2.5s of warning
And that's very useful info to have, if your internet doesn't hitch as you try to leap
But mine does sometimes
tawdry fjord
3 second cast, 3 sec warning on my WA atleast
i just jump out at 0.7
works like a charm
never misses
shrewd grove
works like a charm
Again, if your internet doesn't hitch. Which mine does
scarlet stone
Then 0.5s to actually execute. Even a 90 year old man has a reaction time greater than 0.5s ESPECIALLY when given 2.5s of time to prepare.
tawdry fjord
x)
urban bane
yeah i just wait til my character wiggles from the intense suck in and yeet. but as you say, if you have net issues, probably worth just leaping to a free puddle. 75% damage reduction kinda hefty and if you are narrow on time that could make a difference between a timely and non-timely kill.
shrewd grove
I don't understand what is so difficult to understand here. I've explained ad nauseum. My internet is not consistent. I can hit the jump exactly when I'm meant to, and if my internet lags at that moment (which it regularly does) it doesn't matter
Ya'll just like to fucking argue lol
shrewd grove
yeah i just wait til my character wiggles from the intense suck in and yeet. but...
Yeah, now that I'm aware of that, I'll be finding a puddle
scarlet stone
It doesn’t matter how inconsistent it is. EVEN IF you refuse to do something as simple as a 3s window, then simply leap to ANY puddle within those 3 seconds instead of wasting cooldowns that could be used to mitigate the pan dot instead.
shrewd grove
That's literally what I said I planned to do, brother
I don't understand who you're arguing with right now
lmao
scarlet stone
Even if it barely hurts, it is still less efficient AND future proof.
shrewd grove
13 minutes ago
Might wanna try reading
Literally the post right above yours
But go on bro, keep fighting shadows
lol
scarlet stone
Let me just delete it all then.
tawdry fjord
holy moly, no wonder there are wars
scarlet stone
I’m not, you’re just overly defensive.
scarlet stone
Incredibly so.
shrewd grove
I'm just gonna save you from screaming at your monitor any longer and block you. Take care man, I hope you find some time to get into therapy and figure out what's causing all this anger
scarlet stone
You’re in here trying to recommend to people incredibly poor play.
shrewd grove
It's not healthy
scarlet stone
Good deflection.
Must be one of those sensitive zoomers the boomers talk about, constantly feeling like any push back is threatening to your life and must mean they’re mentally unstable.
Don’t worry, we all know you’re still pressing show message.
scarlet stone
Read my name, I’m never angry. 
Dude tried making personal attacks.
I’m muted, stop replying.
shrewd grove
Unfortunately, I'm not angry. I'm just confused. Felt like I admitted when I was clearly mistaken and said "Alright, I'll do it different in the future" and then lil guy came in screaming about how dumb I was for not realizing I could do it the way I already said I'd be doing it in the future
Lol
tribal wharf
mostly what i rage about is
bullshit ass overlapping or hard hitting mechanics that arent conveyed properly and any attempts to make a sound before it happens so i can prepare never happens
like the one fight with the golem i think it is in karazhan in keys
scarlet stone
You don’t like first boss CoT?
tribal wharf
he dropped a bunch of shit all over the ground, and i had to move him alot
that was breaking point for me i came in really mad that day
and since then i say fuck it
key starts going to shit, im out
i aint stickin around for 8 attempts final boss everyones raging
violet ginkgo
You don’t like first boss CoT?
I don't like the 3rd for sure.
jagged gust
is that kara?
tawdry fjord
was fucking brilliant
jagged gust
I don't think I've ran that since Bush was a president
tawdry fjord
i LOVED that
shrewd grove
That hallway gives me PTSD
tawdry fjord
Kara as key
scarlet stone
I loved selling that mount for 1M ea rofl
tawdry fjord
hahaha
tribal wharf
i didnt do legion and THIS FIGHT PISSED ME THE FUCK OFF the entire dungeon really and im pretty sure i did the KSM for that season
i was willing to do it and rage out at it because from my POV its new content
scarlet stone
I don't like the 3rd for sure.
3rd is ez. Problem is just the 1st is so poorly telegraphed for a 1 shot mechanic. Once you know the timing it’s simple enough, instantly after move then after frontal, but there’s no actual telegraphing and the cast bar is quite short.
jagged gust
u should be joyful and jolly instead
very demure, very mindful
tribal wharf
i like doing video games that are hard but not ones that you gotta shoot 10 million missiles into the boss, but not like 3
if this makes sense
shrewd grove
It does not. Examples?
tribal wharf
like, to kill bowser mario 3, where he jumps on the blocks and the main way to get him is to get him to jump down the hole, you CAN do that in 3 jumps,. or 50 fire balls, or like, ?? just a few hammers... if you have it??, ideal is like i dunno 5-10 jumps
one of his jumping and crashing, is a mechanical "loop" for me, and when it takes, 8, 9, 10 loops, to kill wow boss, is too much for me
formal pebble
Quick question on 2nd boss in NW. guy in my group was telling me to tank boss in the corner which I never did before but we kept wiping bc I couldn’t pick up the adds without getting hit in the back a bunch… I usually just tank in the middle. Once I went back to mid we cleared it. What’s up with the corner ??
mighty valley
It constrains the spawn positions of the adds so they’re not spread 360 around you
I don’t usually bother but it’s kinda helpful if you’re pugging with folks you don’t trust
You can work on strafing better to not get backhit tho
shrewd grove
What Harrow said. It can be a lifesaver in pugs bc you can't count on people to interrupt/reposition the mages. Just makes them spawn more grouped up
spring thunder
!wa
tribal wharf
that mechanic in particular is Ppal special ability
skellies pop in, they capt america the mages, all else runs in, even better as dk
shrewd grove
I miss my DK so much sometimes
south wing
Ok I'm missing the power of Spell Block apparently. I'm not sure when to use it since most spells get targeted to random players so I'm not getting pelted very much as far as I can tell. Can someone give me an example or two where it's nice to have
shrewd grove
tribal wharf
while casting it
shrewd grove
Ok I'm missing the power of Spell Block apparently. I'm not sure when to use it ...
Check the spreadsheet there
tribal wharf
often, monsters that cast shit at party, turn around like keyboard turner player with the stone moving sfx
shrewd grove
Tons of shit is blockable. Even some scary tank busters
rough gate
theres a bit of a way you can tell
Is there a wa for spell block like spell reflect or is it just a you need to know what can and cannot
edgy bone
Where can I find Nomer's prot build
tribal wharf
its there as well, but its buried
urban bane
Ok I'm missing the power of Spell Block apparently. I'm not sure when to use it ...
Nar'zudah pull in NW for one. Various boss tank busters. The stone bolts towards the end of stonevault. List goes on. People where the spreadsheet can be found. Worth checking out.
You're bing chillin any time you have spell block up though.
tribal wharf
heres what i found works for zug zug stand in middle of arena pug strat, as pwar, in shadow lands, without dk help.
adds come in, you charge the mage, interupt him, charge/ intervene towards the cross bow user as he sits there pelting you, then you can get 80+% of the wave stacked neatly for dps to kill off
queen summit
would u craft a new belt here or? 🙂
mighty valley
Where can I find Nomer's prot build
dapper jay
Hey! New to tanking. Is there a point I don't need more haste? My stats are:
crit 19%
haste 31%
msatery 15%
vers 9%
edgy bone
All the ones in the faq channel don't take disrupting shout
What do I drop to take disrupting
mighty valley
yes, the person earlier said they were doing nom’s build but dropping bloodsurge to get disrupting
edgy bone
but this build doesn't even take bloodsurge either
how do i drop something i dont even have in the first place
mighty valley
it’s literally in that screenshot
mighty valley
np
rocky crest
Ya fellas got some good pointers on how to deal with Singing steel debuff in SOB 14 n upwards
without saying dwarf if
it *
round pendant
kind of fuckin stupid how the last boss of CoE getting orbs just makes the singularity un-leapable
how is it that the orbs affect the cast time of the spell but the yank still happens at 6s?
makes no sense
what happens if the boss has 2 orbs and so the cast time is <6s?
queen summit
maybe stupid question, but why u playing this build?
barren oar
Ya fellas got some good pointers on how to deal with Singing steel debuff in SOB...
Skip, cc, big defensive
queen summit
The little pic or the big pic
little one, when u swap out bloodsurge for disrupting shout
edgy bone
little one, when u swap out bloodsurge for disrupting shout
For first pull of CoT and NW
round pendant
ARAK final boss singularity
no orbs: 7s cast, 6s pull-in
1 orb: 6.4s cast, 6.2s pull-in
????????
you go from having 1s to leap out to 0.2s, 80% reduction for a 10% buff
obviously it's technically a cheese so they shouldn't balance around it
but man it's annoying
round pendant
I feel like at that point if you're out of range enough
it'll blow up at the same time as it pulls
so no one will die
lol
sleek rampart
I find Ara Kara as a whole the worse dungeon to tank in PUGS
cedar rune
Big agree
shrewd grove
Nah, I can't stand Siege, personally. Got people on 10s that can't figure out how to run first boss through bombs correctly
Or healers dispelling last boss slow
People hitting every banana you've ever seen
Standing in range of firing squads
Arakara, I feel like I'm at least semi in control
sleek rampart
The amount of 10s in Ara that wipe before the first boss
wanting MDI level pulls
but not kicking a thing
always the tanks fault btw
tawdry crater
isnt it ALWAYS the tanks fault? group punching bag i thought
wild chasm
Either find friends or go for a smaller pull. I tend to stop just after the bridge, pulling one of the casters. Or do as my friend suggested- you only care about the fear from miniboss, the other casts won’t kill a tank 🤣
sleek rampart
I usually go to the end of the bridge, last dungeon I looked behind to find the Ret paladin pressing his 4 buttons of doom on the first back at the bottom of the stairs
shrewd grove
I usually go to the end of the bridge, last dungeon I looked behind to find the ...
Had a 10 fail because the ret paladin "Got aggro without pressing anything" on the stairs, and just sat there til he died, and then didn't release bc it was my fault he got threat. Even though no one else got threat lol
remote anchor
just dont let fuckers get away with shit like this
i just leave if people cant be normal
as tank i get insta invited anyway
mossy jay
I find Ara Kara as a whole the worse dungeon to tank in PUGS
Ara kara city of aids
20% of pug groups know mechanics
insane
i cannot play that dungeon
i will end up malding if i brick more keys there
jagged gust
I wanna see a clip where it has 10 stacks
happened last night, it just kind of... went off lmao
storm moon
sure it is
but do you know how many times my heal has to deal with a faraway caster casting resonance non stop? 😄
storm moon
haha
strong forum
storm moon
thats the spirit obv
shrewd grove
"Can't hear yall dying over the sound of these revenges"
-Nome 2024
strong forum
Actively feel bad when I only do 1.2mil as Thane in keys
When I could do 1.4-1.6mil as Colossus
shrewd grove
You're not finding survivability to be an issue?
shrewd grove
Ahh, just running 10s?
shrewd grove
That's fair. This season has been a rough one too
shrewd grove
You got a tree for Colossus? I haven't really fucked with it in keys
storm moon
on 10 i dont really need cds
shrewd grove
I don't think it's rough
For me it's the community this season. Feels very quick to anger at higher key levels. I feel like DF everyone in high keys were pretty chill
storm moon
there are more like oh shit buttons
strong forum
Nothing changes except that your group plays better in higher keys
storm moon
cds have roll nonstop on high keys
strong forum
on 10 i dont really need cds
That's the wrong approach
strong forum
If you don't use CDs in weekly keys cuz "I don't need to" youre creating bad habits
strong forum
As someone that has tanked some of the highest pwar keys from time to time, yeah nah
Plays exactly the same as a +10
Use CDs the same, watch out for the same, kick the same
storm moon
why using cd when no dmg
unreal spear
Which ilvl you guys recommend for start a +10? I’m 616 and was doing 9’s, but I stepped in a +10 and I felt so week
The damage I’m taking is insane sometimes
My first +10 was NW didn’t help as a warrior
strong forum
why using cd when no dmg
Cuz I don't want to drop below 90% hp
So I use sw
It's free, it's off gcd
I reflect cuz I don't want to take dmg and instead do the dmg back
storm moon
reflecting just feels good
naive plaza
hello there! new to tanking this season
I use hekili, how do i stop using it? lamo
lmao*
sweet egret
what the hell is heikili
mighty valley
disable it, uninstall it, delete all files, burn hard drive
mighty valley
are you asking how to play prot warr without something on your screen trying to tell you how
sweet egret
the rotation addon?
naive plaza
tl;dr: looking for prot warr coach.
mighty valley
it’s an addon that in theory is supposed to show you which button to press next
sweet egret
well, you just have to overthrow your machine overlords then
naive plaza
yeah its basically an addon that will like always put you at about 75% of your potential if u just hit the buttons
sweet egret
so what you want to do is probably read the guide on wowhead
naive plaza
i'd be happy to stream my tankign and get advice
mighty valley
prot priorities are basically just offensive CDs > shield slam > tc > revenge
sweet egret
or idk, just play the game?
mighty valley
keep shield block up always, press ip to prevent overcapping rage
sweet egret
to get a feel for it you can start playing in normal dungeons
heroic dungeons
looking for raid
just try it out
then when you have questions, refer to the guide
or I guess u can download a bot and go wash some dishes or something
but it seems u already did that
good luck
naive plaza
or I guess u can download a bot and go wash some dishes or something
LMAO
mighty valley
i'm aotc 620
worst Star Wars movie
naive plaza
the fuck xD
okay lemme tack the questions
what are the best 2 dungeons to spam at 10s?
tardy abyss
Hekili for tank specs sounds like a horrible idea
jagged gust
what are the best 2 dungeons to spam at 10s?
I'd avoid cot and SV, arakara pugs seem to either nail perfectly or wipe on final boss 17 times, basically anything with a mechanic that requires more than one person to react to
vital pollen
You know you're a prot main when you go to make Fury weapons on a lark, and make 2 one-handers
tropic marsh
Does bitter immunity not remove the bleeding jab from flyers in ara kara?
I may be dumb
shut summit
why would it
proud dock
tropic marsh
why would it
because i'm and an idiot and misread it lol, cheers
indigo grove
does prot still play thane or is colossus better now
cyan bronze
thane is more survivability
what is ~ cdr on shieldwall from hone reflexes?
1-few sec?
assuming impenatrable wall
urban portal
lusty grotto
its base duration
so yeah it can be around 5
but because of all the cdr it goes down
on average
shouldn't be worth considering
except in a situation where you wont need crackling thunder, if anything
or cruel strikes, both of which should be better
violet ginkgo
1-few sec?
not sure but assuming 3,5 min default cd then 5% is about 10 secs
tawny wadi
hey all do you think i should upgrade my tier pieces first then trinkets then ring?
violet ginkgo
yes
lusty grotto
not sure but assuming 3,5 min default cd then 5% is about 10 secs
it averages to 1s due to IW and AM cdr
thats the context since they said "assuming IW"
violet ginkgo
ah you mean if from IW and AM it reduced to about 1 min overall? then 5% from 1 min is 3 secs, could be less if the IW and AM reduced it less than 1 min.
How much exactly the IW and AM reduce again? assuming we are actively in fight and keep cycling rage and spam SS?
lusty grotto
50s
on average
so closer to what hekili said
so around 2.5s
so it varies between 5s and 1s
nome has explicitly said it was around 1s
in the past
violet ginkgo
about 50 secs... that is quite fast.
molten vault
ah yea that maeks sense
sturdy robin
Morning everyone, I have to here for prot warrior tips for cot. Mainly the first and 3rd boss feel rought. any advice? or guides for other resource I could look at?
remote anchor
first boss is just pressing a defensive when he casts subjugate
tardy abyss
Don't even need one because he doesn't one-shot as long as you have IP up
Third boss is spell block and gg
violet ginkgo
first boss is yeah slightly annoying for the mini movement you can't do big movement.
For 3rd boss first buster use the shield wall. After the AOE pulse pop spell block that should block 2 buster
main ledge
Should i take the cape or the trinket? I have a Swarmcaller's Shroud Hero crit/vers cape now.
violet ginkgo
cape
cape is rare item, that trinket is not rare and tbf I dunno how many ppl want it but most tank trinket this season is bad, so if you farm court regularly you should get it soon.
thorny stone
Should i take the cape or the trinket? I have a Swarmcaller's Shroud Hero crit/v...
cape, no doubt
jaunty reef
What are your dungeon routs for CoT and GB? Its the last two I need on a 10
violet ginkgo
Eh well Grim Batol is just press W
jaunty reef
Eh well Grim Batol is just press W
Maybe you'd group certain packs differently than I do, idk
"1 overseer per pull"
fresh harbor
any good streamer to watch to learn about prot warr ?
fiery zinc
What do you BL? Pull 2 and 10?
steel iris
hei guys in best case how much haste we wanna want ?
rain light
1000%
jaunty reef
You dont overcap % there? with the big 10 pull?
wicked pollen
sweet egret
anyone know what spec to use as colossus in weekly 10s?
wicked pollen
wowhead has your answers
sweet egret
no it doesn't
wowhead guide says mountain thane for all dungeons
there are only 2 builds for colossus and both are for raids
unless you are talking about something other than the protection guide for tww?
shrewd grove
wowhead has your answers
There's no Colossus build for M+ on wowhead
wild chasm
anyone know what spec to use as colossus in weekly 10s?
#1269007003469090878 message try that I guess
steel portal
guys, prot warrior is just, too many buttons, have you found any way to lighten that? any useful macros?
sweet egret
yes, press them faster
sweet egret
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1269007003469090878/127623596956...
thank you, although it is very old? from august :S
sweet summit
guys, prot warrior is just, too many buttons, have you found any way to lighten ...
it is what it is
wild chasm
thank you, although it is very old? from august :S
I think I linked the raid build, but there's one for M+ below. Anyway they have definitely been edited since then and I believe they work. If you still feel hesitant about them go to raider.io, look for Nomeratur and he plays Colossus definitely so check one of his latest keys for the build
tardy abyss
This works until like 12, after that you should pull differently
wild chasm
guys, prot warrior is just, too many buttons, have you found any way to lighten ...
I mean your rotation is about what... 5 buttons? Including Ignore Pain and Shield Block lol
tardy abyss
Unless you BL the double lavabender pack but skipping it is better imo
wild chasm
So all the other buttons are offensive/defensive cooldowns or utility like AoE taunt and such
tardy abyss
Ppal feels way worse in terms of button bloat tbh
Pwar is chill despite charge ip and avatar being off gcd
Wait is charge even off gcd
wild chasm
I feel like only opener feels bloated, because you need to press Avatar, Shield Charge, Demo Shout/Shield Wall, Ravager, Spear, look for any lost aggro and weave in some Blasts, Ignore Pains, Shield Block, Slams and such
tardy abyss
I feel like only opener feels bloated, because you need to press Avatar, Shield ...
Agree
livid dawn
Sometimes when I tank Throngus in GB, the boss just constantly stuttersteps backwards while chasing me with hammer, does anyone know what is causing this?
wild chasm
He tries to become Michael Jackson?
I mean, as long as he doesn't kill you or cover 50% more map in shit doesn't look like it matters
livid dawn
Like he actually turns around for a split second to chase after someone else
several times
wild chasm
I think there might be some issues with his pathing and he stumbles upon invisible objects that block his path
livid dawn
Ah
wild chasm
So he tries to get around it, turning to the side
At least that sounds the most reasonable
steel portal
I mean your rotation is about what... 5 buttons? Including Ignore Pain and Shiel...
so what? I'm not talking about the general rotation, I'm talking about it's just too many buttons / cds to track
1- Shield Slam
2- Thunderclap
3- Berserker Rage
4- Last Stand
5- Pummel
6- Storm bolt
7- Demo Shout
8- Ravager
9- Thunderous Roar
10- Shield Wall
11- Intimidating Shout
12- Shockwave
13- Charge
14- Shield Charge
15- Heroic Leap
16- Impending Victory
17- Spell Reflection
18- Spell Block
19- Avatar
20- Taunt
21- Challenging Shout
what do u guys think about GSE? I've been watching some videos about it, but it just doesn't look like optimal
wild chasm
so what? I'm not talking about the general rotation, I'm talking about it's just...
That's why you want a clean UI that will work for you and you will notice most important stuff fast. Here's mine for example:
ionic yoke
Dw about it
sweet egret
what do u guys think about GSE? I've been watching some videos about it, but it ...
who is gse
wild chasm
Bars show me Ignore pain amount, Shield block uptime and rage, I have main skills above it and the rest is just self explanatory I guess
Easy to track stuff at least for me
steel portal
yeah i'll just try that
sweet egret
@wild chasm wanna share that setup? 🙂
jagged pier
so what? I'm not talking about the general rotation, I'm talking about it's just...
brah u missed execute
and intervene
- hp pot and healthstone
- combat pop if u wish
tardy abyss
HP pot and HS are prob the most important things tbh
jagged pier
i mean u got a load of key bindings `,1,2,3,4,5,q,e,r,t,f,g,c,v,z + shift and control of all of them
thats 45 and thats not even taking into acoount mouse buttons
lime mantle
That's why you want a clean UI that will work for you and you will notice most i...
Do you have a WA import? 
pallid quiver
"cds to track"
berserker rage is on the list
You can start by tracking inportant things, and having very situational buttons like that only ever show up if they're even on cd.
Hell, for berserker rage, you can probably just not even track it at all
There's no realistic use case for it other than "someone fucked up" for that button at the moment
Since every notable fear/incap (only fears actually, no incaps at all) is an aoe cast that should be interrupted or the whole party gets feared
wooden widget
I like the macro that has charge intervene and impending all on the same button
I also only do weekly keys so I literally only take shockwave
Even tho I do have binds for the other cc’s
raw oracle
Are there other buttons?