protection

[rancid tiger]

Arms prob

But fury works ok as well

[jagged gust]

Arms fits the prot war stat prio better, but a high haste/mastery prot/fury war performs pretty well too

[rancid tiger]

Depends as well slayer loves haste but collosus loves haste

Crit😆

[tribal wharf]

someday i will get invited

[jagged gust]

I +3'd an 8 and got 2 friend requests ❤️

[pallid quiver]

I wish the guy who asked to be my Squire still played; that was one of the funniest things someone ever told me at the end of a run

[jagged gust]

thats pretty cute ngl

[boreal heath]

If a tankbuster has a physical+magical component how do you calculate if you can survive it with just spell block

[sick idol]

New to prot, if im specced into rend does thunder clap apply rend?

or do i have to rend first

[pallid quiver]

TC automatically applies it

I almost said it applies it if you have blood and thunder, but that talent doesn't exist anymore

[sick idol]

awesome, thanks pal

[jagged gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwbKfS44Fo

[pallid quiver]

"Did you know this tree dates back to frontier times?"

"SHUT UP"

i feel this internally

along with my hip being displaced as I type

[quaint rune]

anyone got the link to the weakaura that alerts you when to leap on last boss ara kara?

[mighty valley]

the phys part is reduced by armor and block value, the magic part would just be reduced by block value

but easier to just try it and go “oh, I died”

[languid sorrel]

Hey question about fortified weeks. Currently 610ilevel and did a 5 siege last night, health bar qas all over the place. Whilst I did a six dawn the day before and was ez pm. What shoukd I be checking in my logs to see what I was doing wrong

[mighty valley]

The usual stuff — blocked hits, casts per min, CD usage, wasted rage. But there are a couple threatening mechanics on Siege trash while there aren’t really any in DB

[tribal wharf]

is it shameful to only +1 an 8 as 619 i wonder

[mighty valley]

So in siege it’s worth checking which parts of the dungeon your health was spiking in so you know to use CDs in the right place

[tribal wharf]

we had so many me mistakes and random healer dead to nothing

we had shaman i thought they would get rid of the stone vault curse

[mighty valley]

it’s only shameful if you did not live up to your standards for yourself

it’s just video games

[tribal wharf]

but i died to dumb stuff

until tomorrow literal cant do any more runeds runs so i have to work up to or get into 8's of other keys

i figure 620 ill start applying to 10s probably

[timber nest]

what weapon enchant everyone using if all they tank is M+?

[strong forum]

Radiant power

[pallid quiver]

I use whatever is cheapest at the time because I am a penny pinching poor person

[tribal wharf]

thats what i got on my weapon

[heavy eagle]

what's considered good hps overall in mythic+?

[wicked pollen]

irrelevant metric

[tribal wharf]

just for healer number

since we only have storm shield as thane and then on longer cd rallying cry, also leech and such

we barely have any meaningful self HPS, LS for example you get 30% more hp and then immediately heal same not much of gain if you are above say 80% hp

[pallid quiver]

HPS is usually a meme metric, since it depends on how much damage people are taking and how much healing others are doing

Like, if you're at least parsing 50% in terms of HPS, that's something fine if you really want to use HPS as a metric

[tribal wharf]

hps pwar is if you are mastery boy 50k mastery and only hit SB for important melees

[pallid quiver]

But HPS should only matter during moments of throughput, rather than overall, so it as an overall, for healers too, is a joke as long as people aren't dying

One way to increase your HPS is to unbind Shockwave, Pummel, and Storm Bolt, though

[tribal wharf]

HPS is something that is like

okay

a monster casts a big AOE hits entire party

and healer has a hard time healing it normaly

cuz also rando bolts and debuff and shi

so, because they are healing all the 4 dps who are weak, they need you to heal your self effectively, thats a usecase

[grim grotto]

is the racial from the special dwarfes really 7k primary stat + 2.5k per type of dispelled stuff ?

[round pendant]

holy moly I did it again

I focused on spamming shield slam

[chilly surge]

Shield bonk is da wae

[slender wedge]

which is the best build for prot on m+ right now? using this one right now

[wooden widget]

Oh dear

The wowhead guide has a great thane build

[wooden widget]

Just curious where you found this build?

[slender wedge]

Got it from yoda while ago XD

been working well anyways, doing 10's

[wooden widget]

lol yeah it reeks of very specific very high key stuff

[slender wedge]

doing over 1m dps uwu

why is it that specific?

[wooden widget]

Nice. There’s a bunch of stuff in there that kinda doesn’t synergize. And unless you have very specific use cases for double shield wall it’s way less shield wall uptime

[slender wedge]

oh

[wooden widget]

Also the bolster talent isn’t necessary at +10

I’m sure yoda needs the effective hp to survive something

[slender wedge]

yeah, for sure

[wooden widget]

But you’re probably better off with punish

And then you don’t want battle scarred veteran

[slender wedge]

Will swap to the one you sended

and try how it feels

😄

[wooden widget]

For sure I think it’ll serve you well

And then as you push higher and higher those niche defensive options might become necessary but that’ll be a group comp kinda decision

[slender wedge]

Understood. tyvm!

[wooden widget]

💪

[pallid quiver]

wait, that build doesn't take punish?

who the fuck looks at punish and decides that an overlapping 2% damage mit on something you have like 18 CPM on is a bad pick?

[cyan bronze]

he thinks bolster is better iirc

[jagged gust]

bro are you just now discovering the yoda build?

[pallid quiver]

I've seen it, but I never looked at it not having punish

[cyan bronze]

no ea is the cursed bit also

[pallid quiver]

He simply doesn't understand how math works; it'd be better to just eat the SB downtime in most cases than lose that

[jagged gust]

Bro took a pack of darts and threw it at a talent sheet and saw what stuck

[pallid quiver]

Since the most likely things to kill tanks are spikes, so as long as you have SB up at those times, it's fine I guess

[cyan bronze]

dont think it was for the sb uptime fwiw

i think it was for reduced cd on ls

he thought it was meaningful

[jagged gust]

thats even funnier

[cyan bronze]

i watched the video

[pallid quiver]

probably because he's not pressing SS enough to get Shield Wall back off CD

[cyan bronze]

if you do want bsv

[pallid quiver]

The above is why I know he's rocking double shield wall talent based off his logs

[cyan bronze]

i think noms build is better

[jagged gust]

just drop ravager yeah

[cyan bronze]

that is not noms build

[pallid quiver]

Or SC+Bulwark and grab Bolster+BSV

[jagged gust]

Still feels weird

[pallid quiver]

Either or is what you need to drop for BSV

[cyan bronze]

that is noms build, yes

feels p comfy

[pallid quiver]

He recommends either, but notes you don't want to lose either

[cyan bronze]

ya

[pallid quiver]

Since SC is more rage over time and is a stop, but ravager is burst rage at the start of a pull

[wooden widget]

Wait does it have fueled by violence too

[pallid quiver]

FbV and Brutal Vit are almost the same thing

[wooden widget]

He left that build in the oven way too long

[pallid quiver]

You can pick either

Most people who don't know how Prot War works lean towards FbV because it has the keyword healing in it

[cyan bronze]

i think the burst rage is comfy

[jagged gust]

wait do you mean the wheelchair build?

[cyan bronze]

idk

maybe

[pallid quiver]

The one on Wowhead that's immortal makes the SC drop

[jagged gust]

oh yeah, that's more aimed towards turbonoob fresh 80s with 0 haste

[pallid quiver]

The ultimate argument is still the same; to get BSV, you either drop Rav or SC+Bulwark

I'd personally drop Ravager, as SC is an extra stop every 45s

But if you're mega concerned about your defensive CD use, play better dropping SC+Bulwark does give you slightly more LS over time.

you just lose control of LS as a defensive instead 🙂

[torn gulch]

i wonder have you guys seen any scaling comparison between this season key levels and let's say dragonflight season 3 levels?

[round pendant]

wait can I use two crafted rings?

why am I trying to farm a drop when I can just craft the slots I need

[wooden widget]

90 crests and only 636

Idk how much access you have to mythic track stuff tho

[jagged gust]

if it's only heroic 4/6 you only lose 15 crests for most slots

Though with the ring slot you should've abused the crest bug so it's a lot more than that for your second craft

[violet ginkgo]

Because you want the dopamine spike when you got the ring drop.

[wooden widget]

Plus what if you get a poisoned pact or blizzard pulls something funky with their 11.0.7 ring

And we’re forced to wear it

[round pendant]

vault only

[torn gulch]

you're getting a special ring in a couple of weeks

again

[jagged gust]

surely there won't be a mid season patch that gives us a ring worth 20 something ilvls more than it's stated

[torn gulch]

welcome to annulet 2.0

[round pendant]

oh yeah I forgot about that

[jagged gust]

I remember doing like 20-30k dps just auto attacking with that ring

[wooden widget]

They had to nerf like a full season later for some people

Poor brewmasters

And healers I think I can’t remember

[trail burrow]

hello guys, does this trinket look ok for prot?

[torn gulch]

yes it was very strong compared to mythic abberus rings

and they had to nerf it

[urban portal]

When they nerfed the ring they buffed every tank

So it’s lit

[pallid quiver]

They should do the same thing, except only buff the tanks I play

[trail burrow]

idk, buff shws it gives me 577 crit

[pallid quiver]

They were talking about the new patch ring

[cyan bronze]

wasnt eggnog too

[onyx hearth]

I left for two weeks and now prot pal is taking over?

[urban portal]

Eggnog only strong for tanks

The other ring strong for all specs

[cyan bronze]

ah

[wooden widget]

Nothing about it seems bad. But you’ll have to sim. No way to tell how much that procs

[trail burrow]

looks like about 33% uptime and gives 577 crit so tooltip is wrong (checked actual stats) - conclusion meh

[wooden widget]

Yeah timewalking stuff is rarely tuned well that stinks

More sources for good trinkets besides the current raid would actually be fun imo

[fresh kernel]

any decent-ish tank trinkets from BRD?

[pallid quiver]

no the defensive trinkets from what i remember are even worse than active pool trinkets

which is a shame, because those as a whole are also not great

[grim grotto]

is this the big frontal lava ball from the boss `?

[pallid quiver]

No, it's a cast on one of the boses

It should generally be interrupted every time, since it spits onto multiple people, I think everyone in the party

[smoky anvil]

Yep, and it pipes.

Does big fuck dam on any reasonable key level

[pallid quiver]

Also, it applies a slow to everyone when it hits

[simple void]

As Colosus, do you delay Demo to line up with Demo Shout/Roar?

[glacial skiff]

i'm not wrong in that you can hug the left and skip the 4 pack with miniboss in necrotic here right?

just tried a 13 and idk what the dps did but they pulled it assuming they got too close

[wintry bough]

Yes the 4pack can be skipped, proabbly the dps did not pay attention and ass pulled it

[toxic geyser]

So does the cheat death function properly now? Saw it being run and wasn’t sure if it was archon.gg bait

[jagged gust]

not a cheat death, but yes it's no longer completely broken

[sweet summit]

how do you get enough count to skip that

[summer lake]

This is a loaded statement. Assuming your group is 610+, sure you can taank 10s in 580.
If everyone is 580, you will never be able to finish it and will die because of the healer throughput.

[jagged pier]

i mean no

because ppl did it first week at that ilvl in the whole group

[scarlet stone]

Like literally no

[mental scarab]

But that is top % of player dho, not the normal people

[urban portal]

depends on what you define as normal

about half of wow players dont even set foot in a 10

ever

[mental scarab]

That is true

[urban portal]

but yeah doing 10s on 580 is like doing 12s on 610

[hoary pivot]

Cannot hug left, you need to hug right and incap the rightmost mob

[urban portal]

give or take due to affix

[mental scarab]

Okej they are MDI level of players

[grizzled orbit]

what build are u playing guys, im doing only 10s at 620ilvl

[mental scarab]

And normal people are the ones that Will do 10s after some weeks

Mountain slap slap build

[grizzled orbit]

shud i go revenge build

[mental scarab]

No ravager

[grizzled orbit]

this is good i guess?

[urban portal]

this is fine

[mental scarab]

I have No ide i use icy veins and copy

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of necrotic, any tech on when to use the shield?

[tardy abyss]

Endurance Training is a bait and you shouldn't need BSV ever and take Ravager instead

[tardy abyss]

When you know you're gonna take a lot of damage and don't have SW/demo up to buy time

[simple void]

What does the shield do after it's been revamped?

[neat mountain]

Hi guys!
What is the haste limit currently for switching Heavy Repercussions with Into the Fray while still being able to maintain permanent shield block?

[fresh pilot]

Im, not sure what the limit is, but im at 26% haste before into the fray, and i dont think i never not have a charge of shield block up.

[fresh pilot]

i usually pull big on first pull, and drop it there after shield block.

[barren oar]

As much haste as possible, but generally 35% haste (at least 20k rating) is when it becomes tangible to game shield block charges with shield charge and maintain >90% uptime with ITF

[violet ginkgo]

but I think there are more shields scattered around dungeons right, you also use it somewhere else?

[neat mountain]

I'm around 27,5% haste currently, so I might want to wait with switching to ITF😅

[fresh pilot]

yeah i generally use them on big pulls. depending on the group i like to save one for room before 3rd boss, when i pull 3 packs at once there.

[fresh pilot]

you should be fine, im sitting on 26% haste, and i never have issues keeping it up.

[jagged pier]

logs

[solar ginkgo]

Quick question. I main a blood dk, but is wondering if I should swap to protect warrior. How do they compare to each other? Mostly thinking about how they feel to play.

[ancient plover]

The most impactful thing would be probably to not show your back to mobs

Prot is probably easier, not only because the rotation is simpler, but also because most defensive buttons are off gcd

[solar ginkgo]

So prot is more pro active play style? And then I guess leap to reposition instead of running?

[strong forum]

Pwar is the polar opposite in what's dangerous to you

Compared to bdk

But if played well pwars healthbar doesn't move

Whereas bdk healthbar always moves

Bdk does more dmg, but pwar has infinitely more mobility and faster playstyle

[woeful trellis]

You will miss your grab at beginning, after a while u will fall in love with prot, his kit and lose interest in other tanks 😌

[solar ginkgo]

I think my coraiders are more in love with the grips than me 😅. Except I use grip as a second taunt.

[solar ginkgo]

There are moments as a blood dk were I just stand around without much to press or do.

[iron flicker]

Can Warrior tanks get knocked of mount when hit by mobs?

[feral gulch]

No tank spec can get dazed off their mount

[iron flicker]

@feral gulch Ok so they are not safe from being dismounted as they used to be?

[fresh pilot]

No, he means it as tank specs cannot be dazed of their mounts.

[iron flicker]

@fresh pilot tyvm 🙂

[glacial skiff]

Gatekeepers. Big count, high efficiency score.

[glacial skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

When I hugged left and walked past I didn’t pull. Was mostly making sure nobody else had that issue. I know mind soothe makes it extra safe, but in general think in pugs gonna just do it anyway fuck it

[honest hare]

Is MT and Collossus the same stat wise?

Or Gear-wise idk 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

its the same

[sharp gale]

@wicked pollen kyvesa is dead

[storm oxide]

hi there! i'm quite new in this discord. I don't know where i can find the stat cap to follow. i know the stat priority but i just wish to know what stat to raise and at what percentage.
Any tips?

[sharp gale]

There is no cap, it’s the first patch we have not enough stats

[wicked pollen]

[sharp gale]

How goes your ovinax jail time ? Finally I can say I prefer ovinax over kyvesa

[wicked pollen]

we got 40% this week

[sharp gale]

P3 reached ?

[violet ginkgo]

Anyone here familiar with bear tank? How many ironfur stack should they maintain? 1-2?

[wicked pollen]

2nd eggs 2nd set

[wicked pollen]

as many as you can

[strong forum]

Are you 4healing?

[wicked pollen]

yarp

[strong forum]

If you aren't, you should

[sharp gale]

Classical, it’s the hardest set of the entire fight

The only 3 worms set now

[wicked pollen]

we were chaining that egg set so it should not be long

[sharp gale]

Yes once you get it it will die, good job!

[wicked pollen]

thats the egg set that hurts the most no?

or the one before it

[sharp gale]

Yes basically after that you are on the highway to the kill

[sharp gale]

The one before is almost exactly the same as the first set of the fight, you have 2 worms, parasites to bump+grab, just you have spiders doing the tank shit

It’s the one they don’t mass grab if you only have 1

[violet ginkgo]

I mean maintaining 3 seems a bit too hard considering how slower bear generate rage, at least that is what I feel.

compared to warrior

[sharp gale]

I might try to learn bear, I don’t want to be a fucking melee dps ever again, and it’s the only ranger with tank spec

[wicked pollen]

idk how to play bear but i see my friend hitting like 7-9 during incarn

[sharp gale]

Ofc with incarn you spam fur, I think he asked more on outside

[ionic fern]

3 isn't much of a issue

[wicked pollen]

maybe its just a haste problem

[ionic fern]

Those are ironfur stacka.

And i'm a garbage bear.

[wicked pollen]

let me find a log of my bear

from a key we were progging

[violet ginkgo]

well could be... I mean my druid is just 603 ilvl compared to my 624 warrior

[wicked pollen]

i also dont play bear or know anything about how it functions

[ornate thicket]

If you can play war you can bear.

[elder bay]

Bear!!!!

[strong forum]

[lofty warren]

omg we have fallen off

[toxic pewter]

wat

[lofty warren]

I leveled my ppal to 80 but it's so dang squish feels bad

[toxic pewter]

wat

[ionic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[sharp gale]

Well, with absolute 0 nerf on prot war, it’s just prot pal that added a rank above war tbh

[wicked pollen]

how often do you press bubble

[lofty warren]

Hmm not often. I thought that if I bubble I'll lose all aggro?

[sharp gale]

Not with the talent

[toxic pewter]

u gotta be sure to remember to hit hearthstone as quick as possible after bubbling

and u will prob survive

[wicked pollen]

thats not even the broken part

[kindred wharf]

Yeah pallies def feel more squishy but it’s not as bad as monk or vdh to me. Bubble, shield and conc all help.

The broken part is that you can end a single pull with double digit interrupts

[sharp gale]

It is not broken, just telling him you don’t lose aggro when you bubble

[kindred wharf]

Not stops, true interrupts

[wicked pollen]

40 second defensive

?

[toxic pewter]

their pseudo cheat death is also the most imbalanced single talent point in the entire game

[wicked pollen]

if you are falling as prot paladin

idk what to say

you just need to use all cds

on cd

[sharp gale]

That too

[wicked pollen]

yep

🙂

[kindred wharf]

Also you do a shitload of damage

Industry term

[sharp gale]

Pal is maintain your mitigation + alternate with their cds

Bunch of smalls cds, use them

[wicked pollen]

and you get 100% spell block

for certain dungeons

[toxic pewter]

they can also mitigate bleeds/dots too

[civic jackal]

Are these good prot warr stats? All of the guides seem to prefer crit instead of versa.... not sure that makes sense

[jagged pier]

well as vers does nothing

really

crit is better

[violet ginkgo]

yeah you can start moving that versa to crit, and give a bit to mastery make it 20%

[jagged pier]

take it this way if u got 15% vers thats 7.5% DR

if u have more crit u gunna mitigate more damage in a pack because parry gets less rng the more mobs u pull

[civic jackal]

That makes sense, thanks!

The reason why I got confused is because some M+ top prot have like 19 vers and less crit like 15%

[jagged pier]

filter down effect

• after haste stats really dont do anything

[violet ginkgo]

I just want we have a better synergy with crit maybe? but that could be nerf incoming after buff

[jagged pier]

but look at it this way at top keys u getting melee'd for around a million something like (something someone said about high keys dont know if its true) that its high and magic doing far more if u parry a melee that is gunna reduce damage far more than vers reducing everything melee and every magic hit

as if u parry thats just straight up damage not taken

and keeps your IP around longer for bleeds and magic damage

like take kira hes getting like 9% DR from his vers

yer thats really gunna help

that aint saving u

[smoky anvil]

no way hero track VR cloak beats out a 639, right?

[vague yacht]

alright everyone, hero track sureki myth track taunt trinket or myth track haste major vers minor ring

[jagged pier]

vr cloak?

[smoky anvil]

shattered sorrow

[jagged pier]

well it is a good cloak

cantrip is good

but sim i guess

[jagged pier]

thats a bis neck right there

[vague yacht]

but a 13 ilvl higher ring forever isnt better? i mainly do m+

[jagged pier]

your choice but u aint ever replacing that neck unless u raid mythic a lot

[vague yacht]

i could start going 4/8 on this toon

[jagged pier]

we also about to get a free ring anyways

[vague yacht]

facts

good point ty

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/vegas-vacation-oh-yeah-hell-yeah-clark-cash-money-gif-22289942

transmitter

time to collect orbs

[strong forum]

Orb*

[mild river]

Is this trinket any good?

[violet ginkgo]

crap.... bad vault... Well my cloak is 619 currently and hand is 626. Should I take hand and catalyze or just take cloak or this is already sim angle

[cyan bronze]

Are you using it once per key sir

I knew you were a noob

also btw is the platform spawn pattern predictable also

like orb always spawns front right of you, does platform match that

[molten pilot]

newbie question, do prot warriors generally open up vault as prot or do they switch to fury/arms for vault opening?

[violet ginkgo]

this is on the pinned post btw

[molten pilot]

thank you, my apologies

[tepid nacelle]

Got 2 weapons and a shield in the vault, already have both crafted with weapon embelished. Refactor emblishments to duskthread, or take the 3 ilvl shield upgrade?

[strong forum]

Yes

Platform is same position as orb

[cyan bronze]

Tie tie

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmmm.... maybe 3 ilvl shield? ask nome.

[tepid nacelle]

thats how im leaning, sucks to waste a spark but i dont know if trading ascendance for duskthread is better than 3 ilvls

and 3 ilvls on weapon is like, how much extra damage is that going to be? not sure its worth it

[violet ginkgo]

How about this mets? You take shield now then never open as prot again, open as fury/arms starting next week to take some offensive trinkets?

[tepid nacelle]

man thats really what i should have done haha

[cyan bronze]

Why are you a Mets fan man

[violet ginkgo]

defensive trinkets are trash, you sure you want to see that in your vault? no right?

[cyan bronze]

I mean that’s why you got into this debacle

[tepid nacelle]

indoctrinated from birth

[cyan bronze]

My condolences

[violet ginkgo]

anyway my point still stands, get shield then never open vault as prot again ever.

you can still get 1h weapon if open from fury and search some juicy offensive trinkets.

[cyan bronze]

Transmitter

[tepid nacelle]

yeah im actually realizing now, opening the vault as prot was really dumb since i have crafted weapons and all M+ def trinkets are lame

[violet ginkgo]

[sharp gale]

Even if I play fury in raid, I wish the transmitter don’t drop in my vault

[woven ice]

needed bracers to replace my blues, and i got all this bullshit lmfao

[kindred wharf]

@diva are you walking in the light or are you a gross Phil’s or Nats fan. I know you’re not a marlins fan because they don’t exist

[tribal wharf]

my vault was so bad i took 2h lol

[cyan bronze]

I’m cultured

So none of those

I don’t even like baseball that much, I can just tell right from wrong

https://tenor.com/view/bronx-bombers-ny-yankees-gif-10827517173999778231

[kindred wharf]

More respectable than the Mets but only just

[sharp gale]

I had a cap with that symbol when I was smol, didn’t know it was an American baseball thing

[cyan bronze]

It’s largely disconnected

It’s just an American cultural thing

They’re the most popular baseball team in America, americas national sport is baseball

[sharp gale]

I don’t know most of American cultural things since I use metric system and I have an AZERTY keyboard

[cyan bronze]

Yep

But like, a Portuguese kid wearing a cr7 jersey isn’t necessarily about him liking a certain team, or even a certain player, it’s what it represents culturally

Don’t know why you as a non American had an American cultural symbol, but w.e

[sharp gale]

You know people got Nirvana shirts and don’t know it’s a rock band

[kindred wharf]

It’s a state of mind what do you mean

[cyan bronze]

Largely the same thing w yankee hats

Just don’t know why a non American would have it

[sharp gale]

Wdym

[cyan bronze]

Also fwiw baseball is like the 3rd or 4th most cared about sport in the country

[cyan bronze]

This guy never heard of Buddhism 🕉️

[sharp gale]

It’s a cool looking symbol I guess

[cyan bronze]

It is dope as fuck tbh

[sharp gale]

I know Nirvana is a Buddhist thing… but that’s not Buddhist sorry

[kindred wharf]

NFL NBA NHL? MLB

Surely baseball is bigger than hockey still

Even if the trend is favoring hockey. The shorter games help

[deft mortar]

Wtf is Buddhism BRO this is the warrior discord

Not one player here is peaceful

[kindred wharf]

Warriors for peace

[cyan bronze]

Nfl nba global soccer I was thinking might edge out baseball

[sharp gale]

Femboys are our only fetish

[cyan bronze]

But idk

[kindred wharf]

Ah true true

[deft mortar]

I bet you use heroic throw on critters @kindred wharf

[kindred wharf]

I heroically throw them to safety if that’s what you mean

[deft mortar]

I use them to charge sometimes to get places faster

[cyan bronze]

Did I use the wrong emoji lmfao

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s hindu

[deft mortar]

True that brother

[cyan bronze]

iPhone baited

[deft mortar]

Buddhism all nice and all untill Fury Warrior named Ghengis with Khan title shows up

[sour lotus]

Yo. Trying to get back into playing prot. Feels spammy hell like I’m spending more time just pressing sb and ip instead of hitting mobs. Yall just macro them into shield slam and stuff or is just the nature of the game to constantly be pressing them

[cyan bronze]

Ip isn’t on gcd

[deft mortar]

Spamming your buttons as Thane with most spamming being on Shield Slam would probably get you past Mythic 10s easily

No need think

[cyan bronze]

what is the vague breakpoint where itf is managable

~21k atm, surely fine?

[sour lotus]

I was thinking about binding ip into shield slam or something and calling it a day

[sharp gale]

Khan is a title earned after how many HK ?

[deft mortar]

Never dropped it since it came out, irregardless of my haste.

[deft mortar]

IRL millions, in game idk

[kindred wharf]

lol

[sharp gale]

I might try farm this achievement one day

[deft mortar]

Somebodies gonna name change to Ghengis too

Next thing ya know Blizz bans you LMFAO

[sharp gale]

Still need to figure out the transmog

[deft mortar]

Need some leather pieces I guess

[sharp gale]

I think if I kill millions of people IRL, getting banned by blizzard is the last thing I would worry

[deft mortar]

I meant.. In game..

[sharp gale]

Oh yes, ingame ofc, where my mind was eheh, how you day has been ?

[kindred wharf]

If I’m blizzard the last thing I want to do is ban the guy speed running IRL khan title

[sharp gale]

Only if he RMT his way

[kindred wharf]

I’d be buffing war

Maybe even sharing some of those bronto bucks

[sharp gale]

Man… just thinking now… I might be borned too early to have IRL bruto mounts…

With a stock exchange on his back

[cyan bronze]

you do the reverse

or well, can

[dapper walrus]

How do we weigh gear upgrades? Is there something like QELive for healers or just try to take the biggest upgrade?

[cyan bronze]

sim

defensively your shield is your largest contributor

[mighty valley]

there are some rules of thumb since you can't really sim for defensive value but if items are close, sim at raidbots.com

[woven ice]

pawn also works well, tbh its ILVL>stats until 615ish

[dapper walrus]

I feel like upgrading to a 610 piece from a 58x piece would be obvious rather than going from a 606 to a 610 but the 610 is a tier piece

[valid bridge]

brothers, i am sorry. i got this two weeks in a row now. I must take tokens instead

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-pepe-the-frog-nervous-shocked-gif-15138438759410822982

[mighty valley]

our tier is not strong this season, plus you should have a million catalyst charges

[cyan bronze]

i agree

[dapper walrus]

I figured the Stamina upgrade alone makes it an obvious answer but I wanted to check

[cyan bronze]

take the ilvl canyon upgrade

[woven ice]

am i not cooking with that?

[heavy sparrow]

For vault I downed 3 bosses and I'll have the mythic loot for vault.

Should I loot spec prot arms or war

I need a better DPS trinket

And does the mythic vault loot limited to what's found in the mythic raid? Or does it include the mythic dungeons loot as well?

[woven ice]

probably loot dps if you need dps gear, its only from the two raids if its the raid tier, and the dungeon one will be all the s1 dungeons

[heavy sparrow]

So if I only made the mythic raid vault

Would it be all raid mythic chances of gear or would it include the mythic dungeon s1 gear as well

[woven ice]

only raid gear, theres a seperate section for dungeon gear

[candid leaf]

man lmao

I really only prot

[heavy sparrow]

Same

[candid leaf]

I almost want to take it to rub it all over my dps friends but I cant see it being a great pick

Maybe replace my larynx?

[sweet summit]

yae

[marble cipher]

There's nothing wrong with using that trinket as prot

[smoky iris]

any one got a weak aura that plays a sound if ur shield block falls off

[rich pulsar]

This one is pretty rough. Already have myth legs and shoulders (though these have avoidance), crafted 636 with ideal stats vs 639 with leech vers+ mastery though

[cyan bronze]

That trinket is disgusting

I got transmitter but would have preferred this

[candid leaf]

I gripped it

[cyan bronze]

i mean defensively still probably worse than

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-scarab-assyst-gif-9837798423909404507

but don’t need/want on prot til really high(16?+)

I wonder how much dr the mastery actually provides from extra crit blocks tho

[obsidian frost]

Got meat hook and larynx in my vault...larynx the pick right?

[heavy sparrow]

45% base haste

[woven ice]

thats gotta be the hard cap no?

[tribal wharf]

at last, someone with enough haste to take itf.

[cyan bronze]

more

u need at least 55%

[heavy sparrow]

45 unbuffered still got flask and well fed buff to add

I got a mythic bloodhound ring so I still need to socket it twice and enchant the ring with haste and haste gems I guess

[cyan bronze]

maybe after that you can run itf but it’ll be tight

how much raw haste is that lmfao

[heavy sparrow]

I still gotta add 3691 haste all buffed

45 Raw haste but with 8% spec with people around me

[cyan bronze]

nah I meant rating

not %

[heavy sparrow]

So 45 with 4 people around me

[sweet summit]

what

so 45% is with buff

[slender wedge]

If playing dual prot / fury its k going haste / mastery instead of haste/versa

?

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah Erga we all got deceived

[sweet summit]

ye

[slender wedge]

ty

[cyan bronze]

was preparing to see 55% or some odd with itf

[upbeat lake]

Is vers or crit 2nd better? most sources i find put them as equal but many of my friends say vers is better for tanks

[heavy sparrow]

Is with talent tree maxed

Totally unbuffed

[cyan bronze]

Raw haste refers to no itf buff

But with flask food and oil

Generally

[heavy sparrow]

I'll check tn

At work and vault on my phone lol

[sweet summit]

🚟

[cyan bronze]

All suspense has been lost

Learning he had it with itf

[heavy sparrow]

Of course

Always

[round wolf]

Thoughts for Protection Warrior
Cape or Sheild is the Question
Current Cape is Hero I think 613 or 616 Would need to log back in
Current Sheild is Crafted 619 Everforged Defender

[cyan bronze]

it’s just not raw/base haste

[heavy sparrow]

Go with cape, you can get shield from ulgrax drop

[obsidian frost]

No haste on that cape though

Crit/Mast isn't it?

[jagged pier]

hes obivously not raiding mythic

[jagged pier]

u take the shield

[round wolf]

Just Heroic Raid lol - Schedule Makes it harder to go Back Mythic I also rerolled Warr 2 weeks ago and hes 616 just better for keys then my bear

[jagged pier]

u go shield

[round wolf]

Yes Crit Mast

[jagged pier]

its not a question

its the biggest single upgrade for prot

to get

[obsidian frost]

Yeah def shield

[round wolf]

OK just wasnt sure given I could eventually upgrade Crafted = I'll take Sheild

[jagged pier]

no

that would be a waste of crests

[obsidian frost]

Yeah but myth track can go to 639 where the crafted can't

[round wolf]

Hoping to clear all 10s this week for more Vault Choices next week

Hard to get groups at 615 lol

I'll Take Sheild
this is why I ask

Didnt want to makr the wrong choice

[severe wigeon]

is there an ability we can macro Swarmlord's Authority to

[heavy sparrow]

Don't take my advice. I don't even know the name of the mythic shield we need and it's right there lol

[cyan bronze]

less than me

[heavy sparrow]

It's what's on the inside that counts

[heavy sparrow]

Not sure if they count ring enchants on wow website

[untold hornet]

Good or bad?

also vault popped off today

[tribal wharf]

i got a hero fury weapon instead of champ

so whatever

every bit helps i guess

[cyan bronze]

that crit

😔

[untold hornet]

Yea... secondary luck hasnt been so helpful

[cyan bronze]

what the fuck

how much haste do you have w it

[untold hornet]

literally said last night in disc "it would sure be awesome if I got the mythic sikran neck tomorrow"

[cyan bronze]

like 23k with consumables, 🚄

[heavy sparrow]

Bro get out

Lucky duck

[untold hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[heavy sparrow]

Crazy jelly

What a good vault week

[untold hornet]

first ever m sikran kill too

[heavy sparrow]

What add-on is that for the true rating

[untold hornet]

its a weakaura

massive character screen, kind of annoying but it displays a ton of info so eh

[heavy sparrow]

True

[heavy sparrow]

I realized when weak aura has the xalatoes weak aura whenever your buff is active and sparkling toes pop up on screen you know you're good to rehydrate with some motivation

I'm too lazy to push mythic dungeons, but I've also only been Raiding.

[strange comet]

Ive got extra sparks and enchanted crest, would it be worth the ilvl sacrifice to replace a emergency stop keychain, the neck with like 3.5k mastery, for a crit hast 619 until i can get a better neck

626 keychain

[vernal aspen]

so I finally broke 20k haste unbuffed but I still have some downtime on Shield Block, are you guys using ccs/other defensives to make up for it?

running Bolster as well

[jagged pier]

bad

[wicked pollen]

intentionally drop shield block when mechanics are happening?

[vernal aspen]

I thought about that, I got almost one shotted during the first boss of CoT 12 because I didn't have shield block up for the tank buster

guess I have to use it when I actually need it on long fights

[wicked pollen]

for that boss you could not instantly refresh during the aoe cast

[sharp gale]

And lose dmg

[vernal aspen]

yeah or during the frontals

[wicked pollen]

yeah but they already gave up when playing bsv

🙂

[sharp gale]

I’m logging in because I don’t have shield block issues

[wicked pollen]

you could also you know play hr

[vernal aspen]

I could but I like itf

[mighty valley]

i like not having shield block gaps

[vernal aspen]

I'm just trying to figure out if I'm playing wrong around this talent or what

[wicked pollen]

just think more intentionally about reapplying sb

[sharp gale]

Nothing changes with or without ITF, you just need to maintain SB more carefully

Like not pressing SB when duration is still plenty

Shield charge gives you SB

[vernal aspen]

gotcha, I'll try to pay more attention to that

also is shield charge even worth it? I dropped it to play around with bolster/ravager

[sharp gale]

Im just checking how much haste I got

[vernal aspen]

sure, thanks for helping out a homie

[sharp gale]

Wdym bolster requires 2 talents points

[wicked pollen]

bloster is only 1?

[sharp gale]

Or you don’t take the other LS talent

[sharp gale]

Taking the other talent that makes LS minimal useful

[wicked pollen]

show me the talent

im confused

[mighty valley]

rage gain during ls

[vernal aspen]

this is what I'm running now

[mighty valley]

no rav OR shield charge? wild

[sharp gale]

@vernal aspen

[vernal aspen]

sorry I forgot to remove something I was testing on the dummy

I drop the revenge talent for ravager

[mighty valley]

it's debatable whether just dropping rav for bsv vs. dropping both shield charge talents and compensating with bolster is better, idk

[violet ginkgo]

in that case then you are using standard bsv build from nome so it should be OK.

[mighty valley]

oh you're colossus

you gotta take the revenge talents if you're colossus

otherwise why are you colossus

[wicked pollen]

also you shouldnt play the revenge talent on the left

makes you rage starved

[sharp gale]

oh yeah don't take the revenge costin 10 more rage

[mighty valley]

ok yeah lmao, every revenge talent other than that one please

[sharp gale]

i played it in few 10s, you do rage starve more but 10s so i didn't care about it

[wicked pollen]

i think if you want ravager you drop the tc reduces demo shout

not necessary on colo

and it desyncs cds

[mighty valley]

yeah you don't get that much value without unstoppable force

[tough patio]

I’m a priest that sends all PI to war tank. 57-60% haste must be broken. And that’s without lust

The only condition is for you to cast intervene on me!

[sharp gale]

i have always 50% haste

screenshot is without itf 0 consumables

[tough patio]

Damn. Infinite rage?

[sharp gale]

it's kinda annoying in BL+ the haste affix

[tough patio]

I’ve heard that 2 PI (not same time) on a fury war makes him get RSI 😄

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[sharp gale]

why would you ever PI a fury war

it's the worst PI target in the whole game

[tough patio]

I used to in shadowlands

He liked it tho XD

But his hands were dead

[prisma dagger]

AcTuAlLy🤓

[vernal aspen]

sorry I was depleting a key, thanks for the tips everyone

[left escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/dropout-dropout-tv-collegehumor-um-actually-show-gif-3377823935166752489

[violet ginkgo]

thx for this chart 👍

[woven ice]

oh my god, poor sublety

[quaint fossil]

How do I survive through liquefy for queen ansurek? I’m new to prot war

[mighty valley]

Spell block, spell reflect, maybe demo shout... can shield wall but only if you're comfortable that you'd get it back in time for feast, which if you're new, probably not

[violet ginkgo]

Liquify? That is the easiest one just turn on spellblock and the damage is mini already. Problem is with feast (manageable with shield wall) because you need healer to heal a lot because of the heal absorb.

[deft mortar]

That actually sweeps low keys because you have enough rage

Cuz you only press IP to keep it active

[sharp gale]

Yes we already talked about it a week or 2 ago, colossus feel bad when you need to repress IP to much

[deft mortar]

Feels like dogshit not just bad

Feels like why am I not Thane

Depression

(I love overreacting)

[sharp gale]

But it’s fun gameplay in low keys, just spamming revenge and waiting outbursts to repeat the cycle

[deft mortar]

Pull 4-5 packs

5M dps

1M hps from leech and BV

Ez

[sharp gale]

I did a CoT 10 as colossus, the pack after the second boss was so satisfying

[deft mortar]

Feels so good, feels like Dragon Flight S1

[dark barn]

Any thoughts about lightforged draenei racials now? Could be fun to use in M+

[tribal wharf]

what addon is the character sheet

i use narcisus at moment but for other things

[bleak delta]

help! which one, both mythic track. I have the heroic of both items already

[edgy bone]

Could anyone explain this to me?

If tank is linked to 4 people, tank will eat 4x damage?

But no matter how many tank is linked to, the DPS only take 1x?

Because DPS are only ever linked to the tank

correct?

[remote anchor]

prolly sacbrood cloak is mostly a crest save

[bleak delta]

the proc isn't a big deal huh, fair call ty ❤️

[tribal wharf]

i think the entire fight is just kill the tree kick the dude and move out of shit

frontal and swirl

[edgy bone]

This is on final boss

[worthy canyon]

is there any button i can macro ignore pain into to reduce apm?

[proven plume]

leap away before cast insta breaks it everytime 🤷

[tribal wharf]

looks like targeted players have to split up

run away from eachother

[lofty warren]

Do you think pwar will stop getting invites now that it has fallen to ppal on tier list?

[tribal wharf]

will that stop me from playing only pwar in keys for the entire expansion and failing for the past 4 expansions now
no

YEP, I'M STILL HERE

[remote anchor]

dont think ive been declined yet

[tardy abyss]

No pwar is still really good

[wooden spruce]

hi all, need some advice. Should i pick Throngus Finger or replace my chest? the trinket is clearly a dps loss but a tanking upgrade. currently have 28% haste and 12.47% vers

[tardy abyss]

100% chest

Tank trinkets are trash

And why do you have so much vers anyway

[wooden spruce]

because i was checking stats on other warrs and most of them have over 15% vers

if its not what is used i can still change my stats, i have my fury and arms gear 😄

[tardy abyss]

What are "other warrs"

Crit does as much for damage reduction as vers

I run like 3% or so

[bleak breach]

What haste you guys at?

I’m at 22k atm

[tribal wharf]

+8 sv surprise talents

we timed

[bleak breach]

Ahh forgot to change out of raid build

I do that all the time

[tribal wharf]

was like wheres my shockwave.... seems its overrated lol

i dont like shockwave without RE personalyl

or col talents for it

mostly the slow

[strong forum]

16/17k

waiting for sikran neck to get big haste

[jagged gust]

I offspec as fury and most of my gear is mastery/vers

Honestly it all sims so similarly at this point I sim for fury dps as it's not really moving the needle for prot dam

[thin finch]

Im thinking about getting the tierset legs since its an uppgrade to me, should I get the trinket?

[jagged gust]

trinket bad, ilvl on legs good

[thin finch]

tks

[wooden spruce]

i think ill check tonight at our guild run how it goes moving that vers to mastery and crit

[pale karma]

Man.... (sac is myth, ring is hero)

[tardy abyss]

get that sac

[strong forum]

Probably sac, ye

While the ring is bis in raid, getting 636/639 haste rings is better for m+

[pale karma]

True. Sac is good all rounder but the rin'gs better ST dps

[cyan bronze]

nom

i got the mitter

😩

[strong forum]

Yeah you said that already

I'll be getting myth sac or sikran neck tomorrow

Or myth mitter, but I already have myth mark so I'd rather not

[tribal wharf]

i feel more and more like taking shockwave almost useless as cow

longer cd but radial aoe stun

[mighty valley]

what if you had............ both

[silent obsidian]

Hello guys im new prot warr, tanking 11s atm,

i rly strungle a lot to hold aggro with enh shamans

like out of no where he gets agro

Even when i have done thunderblast

and some AoE dmg, any tip?

also when pulling BIG, usually pugs hit random mobs and i lose aggro, so im trying to bring them back and lossin the front ones, rly frustrating...

need some tips :/

the proper way is that they start hittin when pack is grouped, no?

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto I have come out of retirement, plz roast my performance as a 606 warrior https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PWCdAvRwX8hTVYDj#fight=last&type=summary

[pallid quiver]

smh

Say it with me, Griff. How many rage bars was that?

Something outside the usual suspects is that you didn't really utilize storm bolt to stop casts particularly often; I wouldn't comment if it weren't for the fact that a lot of casts overall got off. You even managed to generally be better at stopping with Shield Charge, even, which is kinda funny

[chilly brook]

Too many lol

I’ve done exactly two keys as prot this entire season, one last night that was an 8 and I just said “fuck it let’s do a 10”

I feel like I’m in Antorus again with these back to back shield slams with no CD

[pallid quiver]

he's done higher keys on prot than i have

I still haven't bothered to hit a single 10 this season yet

[chilly brook]

wdym

why not

[eternal marlin]

do i want crit or vers after haste?

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[eternal marlin]

so just mix match whatever?

[pallid quiver]

Didn't get a +10 in the vault week one due to people doing their damndest to brick keys, then lost all motivation to play seriously so I just kinda hop on, do some weekly stuff, and enjoy my time

Getting behind on the loot treadmill kills my motivation to play the game, because I fucking hate gearing.

[round wolf]

I find getting a group for a 10 who all try to do their best is painful

[rocky gust]

is there a way to remove this Shield icon (im using WA instead)

[lusty grotto]

i have been summoned

but for now i need to go back to sleep

maybe tomorrow

[silent obsidian]

any1 know how i lose aggro from enh shamans?

after thunderclap

[shut summit]

because they do 15mil dps in 1 global with tempest

[silent obsidian]

so its up to them, lol?

i mean i charge shield charge into thunderclap

and after a sec

i have no aggro

[sly elm]

Hey all, long time Surv/BM hunter here and looking to have a tanking alt after being a DPS for so long and relying on others for my keys. Leaning towards prot warr vs pal. Outside of the guides listed in prot FAQ, any good content creators on youtube or other websites to check out for more details on warrior? Appreciate the help/advice.

[chilly brook]

is ez now

[tranquil socket]

hey yall, I've looked through the history for comments on Larynx.. so it's good if used properly, what is the best use case for it?

I do not have a myth track chest yet fwiw

[shrewd grove]

Yes. Good enh shamans will wait a global or two before using Tempest. Bad ones will grab threat and die

[simple drum]

Is there a reason Concoction: Kiss of Death is my highest simming trinket in AOE? I ran a ‘5 bosses’ Patchwerk sim for 1:30 minutes, and it’s easily the top dps trinket. Is that an accurate way of simming for AOE or are the sims lying/misleading?

[remote sequoia]

Ceaseless Swarmgland would replace Siphoning Lightbrand, does anyone have any idea if Ceaseless is good?

[shrewd grove]

I mean it's a pretty dope trinket. That's a perfectly valid way to sim aoe. I don't see why it would be leading you astray, although I would wait for someone more knowledgable to answer you

[brittle tendon]

anybody having some threat issues specifically in GB?

was doing a 13 and the 2nd to last pack in the bombing run treated me like i didn’t exist after 2 shield slams/tclaps

[shrewd grove]

Did you have an Enh shaman? Lol

[agile elbow]

I've been farming GrimmyB for weeks for the Mark and it finally shows up in vault. ...but then Myth track ring with Crit/Haste appears too. 3404 with ring vs 1956 with trinket in simming. WHY U DO DIS GAME

[brittle tendon]

nah lol

[shrewd grove]

No clue then lol

[simple drum]

Yeah fair. It’s just weird that people on here (and Bloodmallet) say things like Ara Kara Sacbrood is bis in AOE but honestly my Wowhead sims are WAY different than Bloodmallet’s sims

My highest simming aoe trinkets are Concoction, Shadow Knife, and the Candle trinket that gives 20% movement speed and haste

And it’s extremely bizarre that Delve trinkets are simming much higher than raid and mythic+ trinkets at equal ilvl

[shrewd grove]

BIS lists assume you have every piece of gear BIS. If you have a single piece different your stat weights can shift

[simple drum]

Yeah good point. So I should literally just trust the sims and move on with my life lmao

[shrewd grove]

Simming yourself is so important it's an emote

[frosty mango]

Aoe taunt, tblast and pray

If they tempest as you are gathering they’re gonna get booty holed and that’s on them

[sick current]

do I take 636 gloves or 636 oraters larynx from my vault?? I currently have a 626 scarbrood and 626 refracting module and 626 set gloves

[hazy pumice]

Is this an upgrade compared to a weapon of the same ilvl?

[fallow fern]

sacbrood or chest

[rough gate]

any tips for sv first hallway lust pull?

usually hit shield wall prepull charge > clap > shield charge > avatar > clap > charge third group and clap

feels like i lose aggro (maybe its just dps blasting first group) and sometimes i die (maybe im outranging heals?)

[signal field]

is ovinax egg good for us still?
if so, whats the ideal split on it

[simple drum]

Very good in aoe but I don’t think it’s great in ST. Definitely worth considering though. And from what I understand you don’t min max it, you sort of just play the game and it’s good

[violet ginkgo]

sacbrood of course

chest you can get any chest and catalyze it

[signal field]

👍

[copper grail]

What addons do you guys use/recommend for tanking M+? or I guess just tools in general for knowing what needs knowing easily

[grim grotto]

How do u pull SV +12 and higher the first pull all with 1 more golem from the packs before boss? I mean, if I turn my back to the big pull I'm dead.

And same time they want me to hold aggro to the whole pack 😅

[violet ginkgo]

well then say "I am the tank, you guys follow my rule."

think about it they probably can't do it themselves that's why they play dps

[grim grotto]

It's mostly like charge to first, thunder, shieldblock , jump between the next 2, avatar, thunder, shield wall, and then when I try to pull the next golem I die, or I survive, turn around and stay in frontal of the golem behind me 🤣

[shell shale]

Hello! Can someone explain to me how simming a tank works? Trying new class war tank, and just dunnow what there to sim and how 😦

[vital pollen]

Refracting Aggression Module for M+ tanking?

[next plaza]

Ok for mythic+ is mad queen really that good over a sac and organ? I am having difficulty simming for the resets

[lone wren]

what of thsoe 2 is better for any of the 3 warior specs, prio protection i ahve queen and sikran hero trinkets

this protection trinekt is troll no?

[shell shale]

How to do that?(

[sharp gale]

I’m sad

[quartz minnow]

Hey ya'll what are the real live lord trinkets and builds? I don't really care how much dmg I do, I just wanna pull the room and live. All the "BiS" stuff I see is for dps on tank and I don't want that. I wanna lose the healer for 2 mins and not notice

[ancient plover]

Tankwise? Probably stack all the vers and haste you can get I guess

Everything I got except the shoulders have Mastery fuck

[grim pilot]

there is none

really

swarmlords from court is "something"

that's the closest there is

[quartz minnow]

Tragic :(

[grim pilot]

haste>other stats generally, crit is also good

Id take shield if you dont have 639

[ancient plover]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about

Because my shield is 8/8 champion

[grim pilot]

granted I still tank with 626 because my crests are reserved for raid upgrades kekw

[ancient plover]

But I want my haste vers admn it

[grim pilot]

vers is w.e

[ancient plover]

I only do m+ so that's probably the 2nd best

[grim pilot]

crit gives you parry

both are w.e

all you want is haste

ilv>haste>not mastery

[quartz minnow]

I have a bad habit of looking at my cool downs and saying "you know what." Before doing something stupid

[ancient plover]

yea well it gives more mastery than haste and that repulses me

The shield I mean

[grim pilot]

ilv>>

[ancient plover]

I guess since it's a shield, ilvl matters more yea

[grim pilot]

especially since you said you have 619 shield

[ancient plover]

Yeah that's true

[grim pilot]

that's 20ilv bump on shield if you upgrade

[quartz minnow]

So haste is just best best? Is there a limit like past 30% where it gets iffy and might wanna build more of something else?

[ancient plover]

That's true but I'm legit wondering if I'd rather not craft a 636 shield with haste vers because it would have more haste

[grim pilot]

no clue exact stats

but in s1

[ancient plover]

But as you said, ilvl probably matters more

[grim pilot]

dont think thats an issue

[ancient plover]

Alright I'm getting it, thank you for the input

[grim pilot]

idk my gear is towards raid rn and I dont have sikran neck so I'm just trying to get any haste I can

to play itf

generally sim your stuff, stacking haste is mostly for forcing itf in s1

[quartz minnow]

What's itf in s1? I dunno the lingo

[ancient plover]

into the fray

[grim pilot]

Its a talent that gives you haste

[quartz minnow]

Ahhhh gotcha gotcha

[grim pilot]

Other talent lets you have braindead usage of shield block

And u need specific haste req for itf

Kinda

Or u will have gaps

And u cant rly have gaps

[quartz minnow]

Yeahhh I get real anxious when my resources get too low to keep shield block going. Doesn't happen often unless I mess something up tho

I think I use the braindead shield block talent. I just looked at M+ logs and raid logs and copied the most common builds

[grim pilot]

If u looked at logs

Youre probably using the wrong talent

Because most top pwars are using itf

But most prot wars are geared towards itf

[quartz minnow]

I'll check my talents when I hop on later to make sure, thanks for the info

[toxic jungle]

How do you guys deal with singing steel on higher siege of boralus keys?

[grim pilot]

Was fine in 15 without any dispel for me, but u can always ask for aug dispel or dwarf

[toxic jungle]

i was getting rocked in a 12

[grim pilot]

It hurts if you get x2 but one is tolerable

[toxic jungle]

both casts taking me down to 10%

yeah one is always tolerable

[grim pilot]

Ye x2 of the dot really hurts

I took pug aug to 14 yday

And i saw mid key

He doesnt even have dispel talented

Like

Fucking passengers

[toxic jungle]

I wish blizzard didnt put niche bullshit in this game

like i don't want to always have to look for aug

or race swap

its just dumb

[grim pilot]

U dont need aug

Well you as tank I mean

[toxic jungle]

what are u doing if they double cast tho

[grim pilot]

U pray

And press def

[shut summit]

have done it on 16 without aug or being dwarf

[grim pilot]

Ye

[shut summit]

just use CDs

[grim pilot]

Same but 15

[toxic jungle]

got it

[shut summit]

tell your healer if you get 2 stacks you will need attention

[toxic jungle]

are u just saving demo should and shield wall for the double

and hoping the dps kill it within 2 casts

[shut summit]

shield wall yes

demo i just send

[toxic jungle]

got it

[grim pilot]

^ im usually not with pug healer

So i just say on voice

Watch me here

And if the healer is disc

I just ask for ps

[jolly lagoon]

weapon? Or de we craft one with better stats? I have the legs already on myth track

[quartz minnow]

Do you have stuff to track dangerous debuffs you get? I just watch my ignore pain go down instantly and start pressing defensives till it's gone

[grim pilot]

As you progress

You know whats gonna happen

Or can happen

So you press defs reactively

And yes you track everything

Debuffs/timers of casts

[quartz minnow]

Gotcha, I'm experienced as a DPS but have only been tanking for about 2 weeks

Maybe that's what got me cause my first tank run on boralus was my own 10 key I pumped. All went well until we wiped a bunch in the banana zone

Does it come with time or do you look up what's dangerous before running something? I just feel it out but it does get me burned sometimes

[grim pilot]

Well i know all keys well

[old basin]

is mastery really a shit stat ?

[grim pilot]

Right now

But i didnt play beta and I ran +10 sv on day 1 when m+ came out

I just knew some stuff from normal/m0

Rest just kinda winged it

Because im confident enough on my class/spec

[old basin]

i mean you learn by doing right

just go some 2s

[grim pilot]

If im unsure of something i check mdt or dungeon journal

Mdt provides a lot of information about the mob

[quartz minnow]

Word, I will keep winging it till I get good lol

Mdt?

[grim pilot]

Mythic dungeon tool

U use it to make routes and share ingame

Tells you anount of count, what mobs do, names of specific packs of mobs and of specific mobs itself

Its a great tool that can give basic and a bit more advanced information

[quartz minnow]

Wtf I've just been pullin on vibes and there are routes readily available

My friend tbf wasn't a great teacher when I started. I'll def check it out

Thanks for all the help. This'll make my life a lot easier

[simple drum]

Just play Blood DK at that point

[sick current]

what is the oppresive orators larynx proc rate?

can you have like 1177 str x 5 in 30 sec?

or does it only proc once?

[simple drum]

Don’t know the exact rate but it’s pretty high actually

[quartz minnow]

I did go prot on a whim. Are blood DKs actually able to do big pulls? Most blood DKs I've seen pull kinda small

[sick current]

how many whispers do you think you can have at once?

[quartz minnow]

It doesn't say it has a cap. Just however many you rng in 30 secs most likely

[chilly brook]

What if I told you, that the optimal damage usually means the optimal survival?

[quartz minnow]

I'd test it on cleave training dummies just to see what ballpark procs you get, then just scale that up to however many ads you're cleaving

[sick current]

just tried it

looks great man

with 5

i got 2-4 stacks at any given time

and at 639 the use does ~2.58mil with 2 stacks

5 mil with 4 stacks

[quartz minnow]

That is a fair point. I've had easier times in 10s with pumpin deeps than I have in 6s

[quartz minnow]

I wasn't sure if the stacks still did it, but I was also looking at comments from 2 months ago

So it still gets the 20% dmg extra per stack that's nice to know it hasn't been patched out

Just reread it, it does say extra dmg after all the weird phrasing

In the description of the trinket

[uneven wave]

My current trinkets are hero sacbrood (yay) and hero reinforced-wax plating (gross)

Am i still taking the mythic sac?

[quartz minnow]

Swarmlords is dope, but does your guild run heroic silken often? It's a balance of 2 good trinkets or 1 that'll last you a stupid long time

So dealers choice really

[uneven wave]

i do fuck all raiding tbh, pretty much just m+

[jagged gust]

oh you're taking sac 100% of the time

[quartz minnow]

Also mythic sac brood literally doesn't drop in m+

[jagged gust]

super rare to get in vault, and your bis in most scenarios

[uneven wave]

roger that, sac attack it is

ty sirs

[jagged gust]

🫡

[rich pulsar]

I have myth legs and shoulder, do I just take the weapon for the 3 ilvl + leech even though its mastery? Shoulders have avoidance but assume that's a shit stat for tanks

[onyx pike]

any plater profile u guys can recommend? Is quazii's plater still holding up?

[sick current]

it is

i do 13-14s with it

[prisma quiver]

i remember when i got invited on prot war

[lone hearth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813516369219420170/1113102973942382634/cattoastingexpanded.gif

[prisma quiver]

LETS GOOOO

if u complain - ur luck changes

[ancient plover]

At some point you just have to inspect talent trees to understand if they are tourists or not

8 times out of 10 mages will have spellsteal and decurse talented no matter the dungeon

Or affix

[lament ember]

What would be best? I Have Meathook but only hero track - My neck atm is 606 shit with champion track

[ancient plover]

Sim it

Though I'd argue you should get the neck and have ara kara/swarmlord as your trinkets

[lament ember]

I got mythic track ara and heroic track meathook atm

[ancient plover]

Do the raid try to snatch a swarmlord then

[lament ember]

I only do m+ - so raids are really not an option - So not looking for that gear at all ^^

[ancient plover]

Eh, I also hate raids but hm is a walk in the park, it's not hard to just get into court, kill it and go out

But well

[lament ember]

Which site do you use for sims ?

[ancient plover]

Skarmorak gives mastery which is big poop

Raidbots but that's mainly for damage

[warm trench]

Is shield my best option here? Got crafted weap/shield, my rings are crafted and myth stitchflesh

[ancient plover]

Hard to tell, isn't that the 1/3 haste 2/3 shield?

The weapon has great stats iirc

Haste vers

[warm trench]

that's crit/vers shield

[ancient plover]

Hmm

Shield ilvl matters a lot, but this one does not have haste

[warm trench]

yea that's why I'm kinda torn between these

[ancient plover]

Yeah it's tough