protection

[cyan bronze]

it’s either that or sacbrood+transmitter

or maybe ovinax egger, seems ok

[violet ginkgo]

Well the feel bad comes when sometimes it "Catch the orb" and then you pull a lot of pack and those orbs are hidden among packs.

[cyan bronze]

fwiw you know where orb is gonna spawn

so it’s baitable

[violet ginkgo]

educate me on that, I seems missing easily for the orb if pack got a lot

on raid easier though since we 1v1 with boss basically

[cyan bronze]

It’s front right of you

Test it in dorn

Voodoosaurus has a nice in depth video on it(albeit, havoc specific, but it still largely applies)

[deft sedge]

Is there a macro to put Avatar, Champion Spear, and Ravager all on one button?

[cyan bronze]

There’s alot of things you can do with it to bait

[violet ginkgo]

no reed

Spear and Ravager in GCD

[jagged pier]

Cant put 2 things on the gcd in the same macro

[deft sedge]

ah that makes sense

[cyan bronze]

if you walk back left before you rip transmitter

[deft sedge]

was hoping you could just keep hitting button 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

At best you can only put Avatar/Spear or Avatar/Ravager

[cyan bronze]

orb will spawn where you were, vaguely

[violet ginkgo]

or just pop it then go right to catch?

[cyan bronze]

ye

i saw a funny clip of a war leaping out

transmitter

charge right thru orb

[deft sedge]

I know this is pretty vague and there are a lot of variables. But I'm struggling to hold aggro with my EnhSham friend at the start of pulls. Is there anything big right off the bat that could help me?

[cyan bronze]

Tell him to not tempest prio mob first global

[deft sedge]

He doesn't like that answer lol

Says other tanks don't have issues.

😦

[violet ginkgo]

then force him to like it

[cyan bronze]

You can prepull ravager spear

and avatar resets tc cd so you can do that also

[deft sedge]

Yeah, typically pulls with my offensives up I don't struggle but that man gets insta clapped sometimes. Just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.

[cyan bronze]

I mean

Ripping tempest first gcd on prio mob is a good way to get a siege of boralus melee to the balls

[violet ginkgo]

btw "Start of the pull" is too broad. there are few scenario on start of the pull. @deft sedge

1. The one where the pack is already clumped/strong so you don't need to move and pull other pack.
2. The one which a bit scattered and you need to pull multiple.

[cyan bronze]

Also if you run with aug

You can ask them to run timelessness

It’s a fairly low cost switch

[violet ginkgo]

If that is happening on number 1, well you can still manage. Pop Mark/Transmitter, Throw Ravager on the pack, Charge > Demo+Avatar > Spear > Shield Charge > Thunderblast. That should do it

If that is happening on number 2? that is on your friend not you. Because no dps should start the burst when the tank still gathering.

[cyan bronze]

You also have mass taunt

[upbeat lake]

Does anyone know a good addon for nameplates so that i can actually click on specific mobs in a big pull

cause currently my only option is spamming tab until i find the guy and its not very nice

[cyan bronze]

Being quick with taunt bind can just kinda alleviate enh tempesting first global

[deft sedge]

When you say taunt bind you just saying quickly press taunt on the target they pull?

[shrewd grove]

Boohoo. Tell him the options are to hold tempest for 2nd global, or die

DPS players and "taking no responsibility for their own threat generation"

Name a better duo

[deft sedge]

Fair, just making sure I'm figuring out what I maybe could be doing better. I'm pretty new to prot so it's a good chance it's me.

Usually he rips aggro on pulls where I don't have an offensive CD, inbetween my first and second tc

Maybe I just need to revenge more without proc?

[shrewd grove]

Nooooooooo

[mighty valley]

if you’ve already used ss and tc, yes you should press rev

can basically ignore whether there’s a proc or not

[shrewd grove]

But don't press it instead of SS at the start of a pull

[mighty valley]

no, I’m guessing there’s a mismatch of who you’re hitting with ss and who the shaman is hitting with tempest

it’s rare there’s a problem if you’re on the same prio target

[tribal wharf]

okay then

[timber nest]

do we still use alchemical chaos?

[hollow flower]

can someone give me a good NW route (goal is +12 and later further)

[lusty coyote]

Anyone sitting around on a huge Colossus build for slamming dmg in weeklie 10's `?

[craggy brook]

Hello Prot Warriors - Is there a reason why my shield's durability is always trashed after a M+ dungeon or is this intended for blocking as much as warriors block?

It's costing on average 100g per dungeon to repair everything, even if I don't die (which I rarely do) on my prot warrior.

[pallid quiver]

iirc, dura gets dinged everytime you block

So its a lotta ticks against your shield specifically

And then if I am correct i memory, and if it is how it actually works, dura from melee hits is randomly applied to an armor piece, which a shield counts as, so it gets abused a lot

[tardy abyss]

All you can do is aoe taunt before he blasts but thats only once every 2 minutes

But its his fault, not yours

[graceful kite]

Intervene him

[jagged gust]

just don't interrupt anything so he knows how eating 5 alloy bolts to the dome feels

[tulip remnant]

Builds character. People getting lax with prot Pali being the best tank

[heavy moon]

Have done all +11, really struggling on +12 especially initially on the pull where I feel like paper

Any tips

[tardy abyss]

Get better at it - on certain packs you may need to use something while charging

If you wanna feel safe at least

Usually as soon as demo shout is out theres not much that can happen to you

[heavy moon]

Major cd while charging or something else?

[tardy abyss]

ye a major cd

As in...shield wall lol

I only do that if I charge into a pack with demo shout being on a cd though

[cyan bronze]

this shit is the worst part about prot war

feels like I have to repair 3x more than anything else I play

[keen leaf]

anyone know if there's a way to check duskthread uptime

im looking at buff uptime, but its not showing

[jagged gust]

it's called duskthread lining and it's in both damage and defensive buffs

[wooden widget]

is there a way to see the percent of a fight where youre above 80% health?

[shadow haven]

does there exist something as too much haste

[mighty valley]

Not this season

[proud dock]

can u spell block the tank dmg from the Twilight Flamerender in GB?

like the 2 side packs around the wall at 2nd boss GB

[simple drum]

The delve trinket called Imperfect Ascendancy Serum is simming REALLY high for me in multi target but it has a 2.0 second cast time where you can’t cast anything, is the trinket as bad as I think it is or does it actually sim really well because it’s actually good?

[hardy dove]

would yall say swarmlord's or the foul behemoth's chellicera is better for pushing keys

[oak ivy]

yes, you'll still get the dot but it'll hurt less
you can also spell reflect it and hit them with it

[inner oracle]

Using quazi plater with some littles modifications: https://quazii.com/the-war-within-plater-nameplates-profile/

[proud dock]

awesome thanks

[jagged gust]

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

when in doubt

[proud dock]

🙏🏾

[lavish rivet]

Swarmlord's >>>

HPS for 626ilvl Chelicera is ~ 8340.66 HPS over 20 s @ 1.5 min CD
DPS is ~8007.42 DPS

Absorb Per S for 626ilvl Swarmlords is ~58,799.4 APS on 1 min CD, and that's not accounting for scarab procs, only the on use minimum of 12 scarabs per min.

This is barring modifiers and str vs haste weight.

[pallid quiver]

Neither will really enable anything, though; the strongest defensive trinket will eventually end up being silken chain due to being a dynamic 15% damage reduction on melees, which will help a lot with the larger pulls you'd end up needing to do to time highest level keys,

but those sorts of keys are real high

[lavish rivet]

If homie is even asking this question, he is not doing those keys.

[pallid quiver]

It's important to note if he's not doing those keys,

Neither is really going to matter.

I've heard Yoda's slapped up to 18s with pure offensive trinkets

I can't directly confirm, but based on the logs I've seen for 15s, which were the highest I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me

The biggest things killing tanks is fucking up your defensive rotation (or just not using them), even in the higher keys. There's no defensive trinket that's a replacement for a defensive this season, so

[mortal pecan]

What mistakes do you guys see newer tanks make? I've been able to do up to +8s but it feels pretty sketchy at times.

What rotation do you recommend to start initial pulls? Generally speaking

[pallid quiver]

Same general rotation you can spot in the Wowhead guide

Just with whatever buttons you end up having available

And the two most common mistakes for Prot Wars is probably overspending rage on either IP or Revenge, one or the other, and not pressing their defensives

At least for the most common that have major impacts

In general terms, people flat out refusing to press their buttons

The amount of times someone goes through seven different mental gymnastics competitions to justify pressing spell block only on the equinox on years that are divisible by the number 6 while wearing a clown outfit and eating a tutu instead of

just pressing it if something is casting

is something special I've seen from people

[jagged gust]

It's like hoarding potions in skyrim

[mortal pecan]

I think I probably do overspend on IP. Why is that a bad thing?

[jagged gust]

But what if I need it for an even BIGGER spell?

[pallid quiver]

If you spend too much, you can't fill every GCD, since you can't press Revenge

[dense cradle]

I love me some vdh players who leap into a pack sync up all the melees

and just get globaled

[mortal pecan]

I'm pretty liberal with shield wall. I'll use it on pull and pretty much every time it's up

[pallid quiver]

Which means less rage overall, since you sacrifice shield slam resets

[dense cradle]

its absolute cinema

[pallid quiver]

So it's also less IP over time, since you're generating less rage to funnel into IP

[dense cradle]

i still remember when i saw a guy in df s3 with 40% shieldblock uptime

over the entire key

[pallid quiver]

The only time you actively care about it outside of as a rotational rage dump would be to stack it for a telegraphed tank buster

[mortal pecan]

What's the better approach to IP then?

[pallid quiver]

You rage dump with it around 60-70 rage

[mortal pecan]

All the guides basically say mash IP and shield block

[jagged gust]

It's knowing when not to mash

[pallid quiver]

wowhead

[jagged gust]

Sometimes you need to press revenge several times in a row to proc a SS reset, so you need rage pooled up in order to do so

[pallid quiver]

Icy Veins

So whichever guides you're talking about, I don't know which they are

[mortal pecan]

YouTube

[mighty valley]

mash… with purpose

[mortal pecan]

So IP to max it out is not good?

Just to prevent rage cap

[pallid quiver]

We don't generally recommend Youtube guides, because

A. They are very quick to go out-of-date
B. There's no consistent creator that actually mains a Prot War, so you mostly have top key pushers who know enough to get through keys, but not enough to fully understand the spec making vids, or people who are looking for clout and have minimal idea what they're doing

[mighty valley]

if you just use it to prevent rage cap, you’ll still end up pressing it a ton

[pallid quiver]

You would only ever need to cap before telegraphed big hits, which you can do by

simply pressing the button twice

[mighty valley]

but by not starving yourself of rage, and having something to press for every gcd, you’ll end up with more total rage generates

generated

[pallid quiver]

IP isn't really a main damage mitigation tool; in a single instance, even at cap, it doesn't really reduce that much overall. Its main benefit is constantly chipping away at the damage you are taking, smoothing damage out by a ton and eventually preventing tons of damage over time. So it doesn't really matter if it's all pooled or strung over time unless you need it to survive

which you

don't, even in really high keys

[mortal pecan]

Damn. So my biggest problem is probably just mashing IP too much. Which seems so easy to overdo

[pallid quiver]

It's really hard to showcase how important generating rage is a Prot War, since your sources of rage gen are fueled by rage expenditure, which is facilitated by rage gen

[mighty valley]

you get a feel for it with practice

[pallid quiver]

Luckily we have a lot of rage gen atm, so it's not as bad as it could be. IP still ends up like your 2nd most pressed button

[mortal pecan]

I'm sure I'm making glaring errors. But when I'm smashing all my buttons it's hard to decipher what I'm doing wrong

[pallid quiver]

As long as you are pressing buttons, you're doing better than most

I don't even care what buttons they are

as long as buttons are just being pressed at all

[mighty valley]

I think the three most common mistakes are not having sb up before you start getting hit, draining yourself of rage, and getting hit in the back

[mortal pecan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/bigrage?zone=39

[mighty valley]

oh, and dying to unkicked casts, a group problem

[mortal pecan]

If you care to analyze a bit. @pallid quiver

[pallid quiver]

alright i know i said i don't care what buttons they are, but you're sitting at 48.2 CPM on this Wake I'm looking at

That's like my SS and IP average CPM alone, without counting every other button in the kit

You should be aiming for like 70+ at the minimum for playing well, so you are absolutely over prio'ing IP at the cost of everything else

even over pressing SS

[jagged gust]

Hey I picked the nw too

[pallid quiver]

That's likely spilling over into why your blocked hits overall is only like 87%, since you're just not pressing SS

[jagged gust]

A good 3.2ish k rage wasted

[mortal pecan]

So I'm under pressing SS?

[pallid quiver]

Funny enough, you also managed to waste 3- yeah that

[pallid quiver]

By a large margin

Part of that comes from you not pressing enough Revenge to fuel resets,

[mortal pecan]

Yeah I think I just mash IP too much. I try to keep up block and basically mash IP

[pallid quiver]

But it's likely you're just sitting on resets in general with it only being 10 CPM

It's funny, because you also need to mash IP more.

[mortal pecan]

Lmao

[pallid quiver]

You just need to focus on it less

[mortal pecan]

I appreciate the feedback

[pallid quiver]

It's possible to have 0 wasted rage, yet you let 3216 go through the ether

Which is 32 whole rage bars just gone, entirely unused

[mortal pecan]

Awful

[pallid quiver]

Let me see if I can find one of my breakdowns from a key around that level

oh right

i've literally only stepped into NW once this season

[mortal pecan]

This is probably a stupid question. But how do you recommend I approach it to get better

[pallid quiver]

To start with, you'll want to get used to auto-piloting your base rotation,

Which is best handled by spending like 5 minutes a day just focusing on training dummy hitting them,

Paying great care for what buttons you're pressing in a stress free environ

Doing more than 5-15 minutes is detrimental since muscle fatigue will likely kick in and mess with the muscle memory

[mortal pecan]

Basic rotation being SS/Shield block?

[pallid quiver]

It's better to do short, frequent sessions

Basic prio is always SS > TC > Revenge

There's slight micro-adjustments to get a better rotation by making sure to not overcap on stacks on TB, but you can work on that later

[mortal pecan]

When SS/TC are down is only when you hit revenge outside the free revenge procs?

[pallid quiver]

If you ever have an unfilled global, that's instant feedback that you did something wrong

[pallid quiver]

You don't even make judgments on free revenge procs

Revenge is always at the same point in the prio, since it doesn't generate rage

You can always spend to avoid overcapping by sending on more IP

You send it even if your IP happens to be full, since wasting rage is worse than cycling all your CDs

[mortal pecan]

So just slam SS and TC, fill with revenge and dump excess rags into IP?

[pallid quiver]

Yep, that's the basic go through

[mortal pecan]

As far as offensive CDs is it just use when available?

[pallid quiver]

All of them on CD

If you don't you'll likely desync and miss out on casts

[jagged gust]

at the same time preferably

[mortal pecan]

And obviously as far as the basic rotation goes keeping SB up all the time

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, if you have HR, that should be fairly simple

Also, it's a different dungeon, but here's how my cast breakdown looked in a +8 GB; it's the closest I could find to your NW that I actually bothered to upload
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TXzAD3ckbqYZhGKr#fight=1&type=casts&source=2

Normally I'd send one of Nome's, Jakey's, or Sense's logs, but you should focus on something slightly more achievable atm

I hated defensives that week smh

[mortal pecan]

What should I focus on here? Just the amount of presses per ability?

[pallid quiver]

Just about; that's if you're in a dungeon, as well

If you're hitting the tanking dummy, it'll look closer to a boss breakdown

[mortal pecan]

How does my spec look?

I noticed some people have 2 charges of wall

[pallid quiver]

that's because by and large, they're dumb or compensating for being dumb on average

It's worse unless you specifically need back to back shield walls

Since it moves Shield Wall for a like 40-50s CD with good play to a like 1m10s CD - 2m or something

So you get dramatically less uses and often can't use it in rotation for boss tank busters you need it for as well

[mortal pecan]

So my current spec is fine?

[pallid quiver]

leading to people trying to compensate by grabbing BSV or defensive trinkets and asking for externals and the like

[pallid quiver]

I need to look back at it, but I didn't see any issues at a glance

[mortal pecan]

I think it was the wow head one

[pallid quiver]

If you grabbed it from Wowhead, that's perfect and mega fine

And seeing it, looks like Nome's default M+ build

[mortal pecan]

Do you recommend a general opener rotation? Like charge into TC and shield charge to get block up immediately

[pallid quiver]

(Also, if you're looking for a breakdown closer to how it'd look on the tanking dummy, your casts would look something like this if running ST talents
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JGjQLdwc1Xfp2NFq#fight=5&type=casts&source=19 )

Slam all your CDs and then go into your rotation

You can get SB up from fresh with all abilities off Charge + Avatar,

So you can then SB mid-charge to have it before contact with the first mob

The Wowhead Rotation page should have a general opener guideline you can follow

If you prefer IcyVeins, Mwahi also has a rotation page there, as well

In M+ on trash or if you're not starting boss in raid, you can skip the taunt

[mortal pecan]

Oh. Another thing I do is I have the macro to drop ravager @ player

As well as spear

For one less click

[pallid quiver]

It'd be better to have both of those as @cursor macros

Ravager lets you chuck it at packs to start on them, and spear's radius is effectively cut in half if cast on your exact position

[wooden widget]

Anyone know how I can look at a log to see the amount of time I was above 80% hp?

[pallid quiver]

Resources, Hit Points

Also, you can check personal buffs if you have a thread embel

And just see the % uptime on that

[mortal pecan]

What's the purpose of taunting the target you're already charging?

[pallid quiver]

Taunt increases the aggro you generate against the mob

[wooden widget]

is there a way to see the exact % of the fight? I found the resources timeline but its hard to tell exactly

[pallid quiver]

In combination with the forced fixate, you ensure that mob will not go off of you

[pallid quiver]

If you have a thread embel, it'll do the general math for you very easily; I'm assuming that's why you're looking for 80% specifically

[round pendant]

Ran countless grim batols and stonevaults

not got a single drop that I need

I love this game 🙂

[pallid quiver]

yam's having an emotional breakdown before my eyes

[wooden widget]

yeah i dont have it tho, searching silken logs to see if i should switch

ty anyways!

[round pendant]

I'm going schizo

[jagged gust]

I just gave away my third shard and have had sac drop 4 times in a row now

[pallid quiver]

If it's purely for raid, then keep lens on. If you do any amount of AOE, then swap

[round pendant]

I love playing fury too so I just never get accepted to keys

[pallid quiver]

If you've got like 60% uptime on it, it's still better in AOE

[wooden widget]

kk gracias

[round pendant]

man when I sit in the applicant list for like 3 minutes just for them to finally accept me

feels great

I guess the fact I've done this dungeon on a +11 doesn't account for much when applying to a +8

[pallid quiver]

just be like me

Log on

Be like "Eh, can't be assed to find a group"

Run around in three circles

And Log off

[round pendant]

yeah

I need a guild

[jagged gust]

double edged sword

[pallid quiver]

I haven't ran a key for like 4-5 weeks or something now

[jagged gust]

felt like this season ended before it began lol

[analog tusk]

I have a 580 adventure track weapon and a 593 vet track shield. which is better to craft an upgrade for?

[jagged gust]

weapon will help with threat, shield will keep you alive

[analog tusk]

I plan to craft bracers/waist as I have 561 for both of them

ill have 1 spark left over...but might be able to get more

seems being alive is good, I havent pushed too much in to M+ yet as prot

[jagged gust]

shield is an overwhelming majority of your total mitigation so usually your best bet

[analog tusk]

Thank you

[smoky anvil]

missed 12 NW by 13 sec

[regal yarrow]

It's impossible that shockwave changes the fixate target on drahga in grim batol, right?

[winged oar]

are we cooked for mythic np boys

[mighty valley]

i've cc'd them a bunch and never seen them change targets as far as i remember

[pallid reef]

Alright friends, having a debate with some guildies. I’m new to tanking (been a healer since BC), but I’ve already pugged my way to AoTC and close to KSH.

Would it be better to use my current 84 gilded crests (plus a bunch of runed I need to upgrade to gilded) to upgrade a few pieces of gear from 619 to 623/626, or save for crafter 636 pieces? I feel like if I Upgrade a few pieces to at least 623, it would probably help me overall stat wise for clearing 8s+ easier to actually farm enough crests for crafted pieces

[mighty valley]

Just go for the crafted pieces, you should have zero problems farming 8+ at 619, and that way you can prio shield

[pallid reef]

Makes sense. I only need 6 more crests for one crafted, so I was thinking of at least getting the crafted shield, then upgrading individual pieces to 623

[simple drum]

I can’t even pug 4’s this season without everyone else bricking the run then blaming tank or healer

I’m confident this is one of the worst mythic+ seasons of all time

[mighty valley]

i think it's pretty tough at the top end but if people are struggling in 4s, idk man haha

[simple drum]

I just do shift work so I can’t run with a dedicated group consistently so I sort of need to pug right now

And it’s just so bad. The worst pugging season ever I think

[mighty valley]

what's killing everyone?

[simple drum]

From what I’ve seen it’s just the stupidest motherfuckers who join your key. Earlier today I had a Havoc DH who tried tanking + pulling adds into our boss fight then when we wiped I decided to leave, only to get messaged ‘You’re bad at tanking bro’

Like I’m not putting up with randoms if that’s going to be an average pug experience lmao

[mighty valley]

so it's nothing to do with the design of the game, just everyone is mysteriously very bad?

[simple drum]

Well if pugging results in stupid or bad players who ruin the mythic+ experience for other puggers, it would be a bit of both those things

[jagged gust]

Myth pieces start at 623, so if you upgrade a 4/6 hero piece to 5/6 then nab a myth piece from vault you essentially lost those crests. You also lose 15 crests from crafting, so it just depends on if you want to lose the crests now or later

[versed wasp]

anyone have advice for doing the giga pull at the start of ncw

[grim pilot]

bring dk

[versed wasp]

my tank keeps dying about 20s into the pull when he tries it on warrior

[versed wasp]

we have fdk

[grim pilot]

hes bad

then

also what key level

[versed wasp]

13

[grim pilot]

yeah

shouldnt have any issues

in 13

at all

[jagged gust]

he's taking back hits galore

[versed wasp]

thats what i was thinking as well

[grim pilot]

yoda made a video about tanking that pull on every single tank spec

can check that

for reference

[versed wasp]

how do i check a log to see if how much rage he is wasting

ive got a feeling thats happening alot

[jagged gust]

It's a bunch of melee, some explosions and a couple mobs to kick, it's kind of our jam

[grim pilot]

I do similarly, last stand while gathering into shield wall -> demo shout -> shield from the ground -> bit of kiting -> demo shout -> sw

or dont press defs if you proc

you're immortal for 8sec

all while having spell block up

in case any casts go through

[grim pilot]

resources -> rage

[versed wasp]

that sounds pretty similar to what he said

i think he said he walls when its gathered first into demo shout then wall?

[grim pilot]

I dont do this every single time it's just a rough estimation

I guess hes playing double wall

I'm not

[jagged gust]

brother he's running double wall and still dying?

[grim pilot]

I did that pull multiple times on 15 (anlaki 2nd and 3rd boss wiping my key) and never had any issues regardless of single or double wall

idk its like super hard to tell without a log what hes doing wrong

that pull is spicy definitely but it's controllable

[versed wasp]

ive found a log from friday

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FHJLqVMkhvTbP2f1#fight=2

[grim pilot]

his damage is

incredibly low

[versed wasp]

ye

idk how to help him because im not a prot war player

outside of super basic stuff

[grim pilot]

ill try to pull up

one of my nw 15s

for ref

doesnt help the pull lasted 2:30 - even though some people died it's still very long for a 12

as u can see he casts very little

in general

[versed wasp]

so its not even a case of overcapping rage

he just isnt pressing buttons enough in the first place

[grim pilot]

that is definitely one of the issues

[versed wasp]

pressing more generates more rage

more rge = more ip/revenge casts

is he rotating his defensives correctly that pull

[grim pilot]

wait I'm still looking into the log

[jagged gust]

You can see at ~20 second mark a missed kick and a bone claw chunk him for ~50% of his HP in 0.5 seconds, which looks like immediately afterwards he leaps out and starts kiting for ~6 seconds

[grim pilot]

rather not overlap his defensives like this

last stand is the only useless one u can do like this I'd say

well it's not fully useless but it's not as good as your other tools

mostly good against oneshots

he dropped shield block basically still during BL if I see correctly

yeah

should never happen

[jagged gust]

doesn't get SB up until ~18sec with shield charge, first cast I'm seeing is at 24sec

[versed wasp]

even without lust shield block should be almost 100% uptime right

thats prots bread and butter mitigation?\

[grim pilot]

theoretically should be 100% blocked hits aka lets say 100% uptime

but

sometimes you might find yourself like 1-2 sec without sb if you misplay a bit

IF

you play itf and dont have fuckton of haste

he has only 14k haste

either way shouldn't like ever drop sb during bl, you have way more than enough haste to not do it

[versed wasp]

i noticed he also tends to use heroic throw to hit mobs he is walking to

instead of just using charge

[grim pilot]

Wall with BSV with demo shout

is such an overkill

"Oh shit I dropped low"

"lemme use everything I got"

[grim pilot]

that's a good thing

[versed wasp]

may i ask why

im assuming charging in you have a chance of just getting 1 tapped?

[grim pilot]

uh if I'm not wrong it desynces the mobs a bit so you can't get 1tapped yeah

I learned this in df on vdh

when I infernal striked into a group of mobs

[jagged gust]

"first time tanking this season btw"

[grim pilot]

this right here

he's low

he's empty on defs

he's not kiting

dies 3sec after

didnt use spell block even once during that pull

and he ate some bolts (1 at the very least)

[versed wasp]

thats from the first pull still ya

[jagged gust]

Took 9 melees before hitting SB, ate almost 6mil in 0.5sec from spells, basically instantly procced BSV then popped demo+SW on top of BSV and Last Stand

all in the first 10 seconds

healer be doing overtime

Which leads to the weakest Gatekeeper aoe I have ever witnessed in this game

That's actually impressive

[grim pilot]

on a side note his overall cpm (not just during that pull) is very low

[versed wasp]

ye that is quite low

in comparison to yourself

might also get him to read the wowhead rotation again

[grim pilot]

I also pulled up a log from highest rated warrior (zippokk) and he has similar cpm to mine

also

this is shield block uptime during the key (all 3 are necrotic wake)

it's not gonna be 100% on logs nor the buff uptime itself doesnt matter as much as blocked hits

but

66% is very low and there are lots of sb gaps

might have him reconsider playing itf and just stick to heavy repercussions for now

[versed wasp]

im assuming the big draw to itf is you should in theory already have high uptime on shield block

so the extra haste allows for more casts of other stuff

[grim pilot]

itf is better if you can maintain sb

however u need lots of haste to do so

hr is perfectly fine

and makes maintaining shield block giga braindead

[rotund moon]

2 piece and these stats enough to tank 10s?

[versed wasp]

@grim pilot @jagged gust thank you for all the help

got a bit more to work on that i thought

[shrewd grove]

Moooooore than enough. Timed my first 10 at 605 with 2pc

[ionic fern]

Jeh,600 is pretty chill for most keys if you know the class and dungeons. If the dps is horrible,then it might get a bit spicy tho.

[full maple]

what are we crafting?

[scarlet stone]

You can tank 10s at 580

[runic briar]

man idk i must just suck I thought i knew how to play warrior but this week has humbled me

[scarlet stone]

So long as you can admit it, then you can find out how to fix that.

So many people can't accept that fact and plateau and will never improve. While the best players in the world KNOW they suck and so they'll continue to improve.

[runic briar]

i think i might just be gaslighting myself but 8s shouldnt be this hard with 613 ilvl

[onyx pike]

Is it bad to perma sit in def stance at around lets say +13's? I swap to battle stance here and there but most of the time i'm in Def stance.

[jagged gust]

Honestly battle stance who?

[runic briar]

raid i like it a lil

[onyx pike]

in raid i sit in bstance 90% of the time.

[runic briar]

guess ima have to start parsing freaking m+ dungeons for cd timing idk something is off but im 99% sure the dps is just letting things live too long

[jagged gust]

it do be like that

[south zealot]

nah

doesnt really matter

if youre not in any danger should be battle stance

but its 3% crit not abig deal at all

[onyx pike]

guess im sitting in def then

[civic herald]

what is mroem important to craft first, shield or weapon?

[chrome wave]

Does weapon even matter for protection?

[orchid gulch]

Yes.

[sweet summit]

weapon for damage shield for the other thing

[orchid gulch]

Out of these two you craft shield first, as it is our most important defensive item, stat.

Long term investment shield then weapon, but that's praying on the vault to give you a myth track shield.

Slight correction. My apologies.

[chrome wave]

Thanks for the input!

[violet ginkgo]

yeah that's me next week I pray for myth shield maybe in the vault, but that is a big maybe

[unreal sage]

hey folks, how much haste for swap to into the fray?

[sweet summit]

35%, about 21k rating iirc

[unreal sage]

tanks buddy

[wintry bough]

Just craft one if you have the spark for it and open as fury for offensive trinkets

[violet ginkgo]

both my 1 hand and shield are 636 craft already

[wintry bough]

I got too many defensive trinkets in vault for me to keep opening in prot spec

They are just bad

[violet ginkgo]

hmmm maybe fury it is then

[woven galleon]

Guys whats the dps difference between colo and thane?

[jagged pier]

well thats a sim question

but honestly

not big

u have top logs in thane and colossus

[woven galleon]

Gotcha was thinking of taking out the shield instead of fury-ing all day but is thane much easier in terms of rotation?

[jagged pier]

they are both very simple

prot warrior is brain dead in terms of rotation

[woven galleon]

Noice

Thanks!

[tardy herald]

City of Echos - what have yall been doing on the Reinforced drone movement speed reduction?

When going left side last boss, I’m getting like 7 stacks.

[jagged pier]

well it maxs at 3

[tardy herald]

90% movement though 👄

[jagged pier]

yer avatar

or just leap out the webs

u dont need to move except for that

[tardy herald]

Usually it’s an issue when the overseer are casting their circles + 90% movement speed

[jagged pier]

read my first 2 lines again

[tardy herald]

I know 🙂

I’ve been using avatar + leap. Sounds like that’s all she were.

Definitely depends on my groups dps whether it’s annoying to deal with or not

[jagged pier]

never been a problem tbh, i suppose u can intervene if u desperate

[tardy herald]

Fair

[torpid dome]

on Queen ansurek,
Does feast deal more dmg when people are entering the wrong circles?

[jagged pier]

no but u get more debuff stacks

so everyone just gunna be hurting more

[torpid dome]

ahh

it is because people are standing near the wrong tank then?

[jagged pier]

so if u dont have an even amount in each circle u get more more debuffs

u should get 2

if the group size it uneven its fine it will allow one side ot have 1 more than the other

but if u have like 2 extra ppl in the circle u will get 3 stacks instead of 2

[torpid dome]

understoo

[inner oracle]

If you don’t have avatar or leap or intervene can also ask for a rescue/freedom/tiger lust from your group

[fallow hinge]

when doing a big pull in keys, whats the optimal way to rotate defensive cds?

[torpid dome]

shieldwall first to get your rotation up and rage up

[blazing condor]

yeah you can pull with shieldwall if necessary

if you get it on cd early you'll also get it back within a minute or so

[safe atlas]

What uptime are people getting on shield block and ignore pain through out dungeons?

[tardy abyss]

Ideally at least 95%

[jagged pier]

we dont really care about IP uptime as it gets eaten a lot and u overcap it alot. Shield block uptime will we dont really care about that just the effective use of uptime which can only be seen in logs

like u can have 100% uptime and block no hits technically

so uptime is a poor metric

[torpid dome]

yep with 100% shield block your shield wall CD should be 50-60 seconds, and efficiend Shield slam casts*

[jagged pier]

just dont be this

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-joey-tribbiani-it-was-me-it's-me-friends-gif-16459238154669060766

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

idk why you hating. Look at that expert strategist

he knows something we dont

[jagged pier]

no thats not a suprise

he didnt really press SS

[blazing condor]

well i meant it more literally

that hes an "expert strategist"

[jagged pier]

no

[blazing condor]

[oblique garnet]

[wild chasm]

Is Fueled by Violence better than Brutal Vitality? And what would I drop to get Disrupting Shout?

[sudden moth]

Hey fellow warriors I am wondering what are you using to track the next tank buster in Mythic+? I have a weak aura with sound effects but I'm getting into 13s now and I want to better prepare my deff rotation. I've seen Yoda use some timer similar to dbm boss timers

[fresh pilot]

DBM and there is a WA that shows enemy csats with timers.

i find that really usefull to time my defensives.

[sudden moth]

You have the WA?

Dbm don't have timers for mobs or It does I just need to enable something?

[sweet summit]

big wigs (and little wigs) have spell cds on nameplates

[fiery gale]

Seems even his flask ran out and he lost his food buff by dying?😄

True expert

Never press SB -> die -> blame healers

[tribal wharf]

what if he has 50k mastery though

blocks every hit

[fiery gale]

Good start though, having 99% end of dungeon is certainly better than 60%

[rare pike]

hi i'm new on war tank and i would like to know if we ever use those spells in the rotation (mono or cleave) ty !

[wicked pollen]

nope

[fiery gale]

I don’t have them on my bars too

[rare pike]

oh ok thanks !

[strong forum]

Brutal vit is better

To get Disrupting you can drop bloodsurge

[wild chasm]

Thanks god

[strong forum]

[lone wren]

with now a decent shield (went from 580 to 619), solo delves go quick, and you are like immortal! no surprise that no decent tank queue for group delves..

[hollow sphinx]

How is the taunt-threat mechanic actually working. If I taunt, I get the same amount of threat like current #1. (mostly the other tank). Now If both are pressing their normal rotation buttons, how gains aggro from the boss ? How do we manage to keep the aggro on a certain tank w/o any dmg stop for one of the tanks

[strong forum]

Taunt puts you at #1 threat for the duration of the debuff

While the taunt debuff persists you additionally generate 400% extra threat with your damaging abilities

[wild chasm]

Taunt also gives a debuff on the target that increases your threat generation

[hollow sphinx]

Aaaaah

Didn’t know that

[strong forum]

If you don't deal relevant amounts of damage, you will lose threat again. Threat directly comes from dealing damage

[wild chasm]

To be honest with Avatar I find myself almost never losing aggro so just press it and slam the shit ouf of the target

[strong forum]

Well yeah

If you play well you don't lose threat

If you don't play well, you lose threat or have 40ilvl less than the others

[wild chasm]

With how simple our rotation is, it is almost impossible to play bad though?

[round pendant]

You'd be surprised

[tribal wharf]

you would think so

[strong forum]

If that was the case I would see a lot more people posting overalls of over a million

[tribal wharf]

there are still players who struggle on super mario bros 1 and 3 for example

and all that is is jump on enemy head and collect power ups

[round pendant]

I've only hit over a mil when all the dps in my group were doing good dps also (so the key was short)

[round pendant]

smb1-3 are harder than wow lol

[wild chasm]

That and also the pulls were somewhat big, because I just did Grim and I was around 800k ish, with all the dps around 1.5

[round pendant]

I average like 930k in 10s

[tribal wharf]

smb nes is easy af

[strong forum]

Shame

[round pendant]

but I've been above 1m a few times and those groups all had people doing fat dps

[strong forum]

My best in GB was 1.2mil as Thane and 1.4mil as Colossus

1.5mil in mists

[wild chasm]

Well you're the god. And what lvl were the keys?

[strong forum]

10/11

I only do weekly keys cba pushing

[tribal wharf]

i can say 100% for fact i beat smb3 as child, i think i beat smb1 as child too, i cant recall, i had all 3 i know i beat 2 as well

[wild chasm]

Then I guess you could have made bigger pulls/pulled off some more revenges than I did on 12

[tribal wharf]

not that hard of a game

[strong forum]

Idk pull size doesn't really change

You get what you can in mists maze

And GB is limited by mechanics

[wild chasm]

Yeah mostly yeah

[strong forum]

But I wouldn't play colossus in actual keys cuz squishy

[wild chasm]

Then I guess just packs were dying faster, better dps and no 12's affix

[tribal wharf]

isnt throngus the tank killer of that whole dungeon though, thats only fight im worried about

[round pendant]

throngus ez af

[wild chasm]

+1

[strong forum]

GB is only rive

And the enrage dudes

Beyond that SR and Spellblock carry

[wild chasm]

^ although I died to the Shadowflame Slashes, because I didn't know I could SR them

Read the list now xD

[fresh pilot]

So for someone usually parsing around 600-800k dmg, how do i imrpove that? am i not pressing revenge enough?

[plush tendon]

the buffs they made to spellblock back in DF have made it so OP

its actually a crazy ability

[wild chasm]

Better dps in group so the packs die faster, in terms of your improvement don't let yourself get rage overcapped/starved. Overcap means less avatars and starve means no buttons to click

Pretty much

[round pendant]

You ain't getting 1m without everyone in your group doing 1.5m+ imo

when I play fury (meh gear/stats) I do like 1.6m and I've yet to have a pugger beat me

it's so sad

[fresh pilot]

So faster kills on packs also increase my DPS because fights is shorter, makes sense.
so being at around 6-700k with ppl doing 900-1.1 mill dps is actually considered OK?

[plush tendon]

your issue is you are playing Fury, when the real answer is Arms

[round pendant]

Arms feels like shit rn

imo

[strong forum]

I can assure you

[tardy abyss]

Its fine in raid but awful in M+ imo

[strong forum]

You don't need crazy dps players to do 1mil overall

I usually beat or break even with 1 dps

[fresh pilot]

wicked, so i guess its just about making sure to use revenge more then, i tend to use it on IP which some times mean i overcap it.

[strong forum]

Not just revenge

[tardy abyss]

You dont use revenge often

[strong forum]

The answer isn't just "spend rage on the dmg button"

[wild chasm]

AM or RA?

[strong forum]

The answer is using cds on cd, avoid rage waste, use outburst on the correct spell

[tardy abyss]

At how many targets does tc/tb break even with SS with outburst

[round pendant]

lol

Nome all your fastest keys are like 20% faster than mine

man I've been so unlucky with loot

Still no neck, ring, wrists

[strong forum]

During avatar 2 with TB, 4 with TC

Outside of avatar it's 3 for TB and like 5 for TC (dont use it on tc unless you have to)

[fresh pilot]

So its better to use outburst with TB or TC instead of SS?

[strong forum]

No

Ratio is still 4-1

4 SS 1 TB

Avoid TC

[fresh pilot]

OK

[tardy abyss]

TC feels so whack compared to TB

[round pendant]

saying that tho

you pumped in a +10 stonevault at 613 with mid dps players

skill issue on my part so sad

I'm still not pressing shield slam enough

[tardy abyss]

The things you can do in SV tho

Kinda love that dungeon for that

[round pendant]

am comparing it to my own stonevaults

[tardy abyss]

Pulling the entire room on the right wing 😩

[round pendant]

nome always inspires me to play better

and then I go pug a key and regret deciding to tank

[wicked pollen]

can you explain

[strong forum]

Majority of your outbursts should be used on Shield Slam

So by the end of the key the ratio of how your outbursts have been used should be somewhat around 4:1 maybe 5:1

[hoary pivot]

mostly b/c of rage right?

[strong forum]

Mostly rage ye

[fresh pilot]

Can i see some where what i have spend my outbursts on?

[strong forum]

And rarely do you have outburst + TB + avatar up

Only in logs

Karanka

[wild chasm]

So DPS increase is mostly Outburst spending?

[round pendant]

I often end up with no option but TC and I have outburst

I'm told holding it is bad but idk

tc outburst feels awful

[strong forum]

Here is my outburst usage for example from gb11

66 on SS 13 on TB and 8 on TC

[fresh pilot]

hmm how do i filter that out?

[strong forum]

Click on the outburst icon

[fresh pilot]

Ah fiound it

[round pendant]

+11 mists I did 59 SS 26 TB 16 TC

+10 GB 64, 28, 18

I'm using it on tc too much

[fresh pilot]

this is mine on a +10GB

[tardy abyss]

Almost nothing feels better than a 2M+ SS crit

[fresh pilot]

Nope agreed.

[tardy abyss]

Only thing that feels better when you do 2x Execute at the end of a pack and both crit for 2.5M

[wicked pollen]

nome does the ratio change for colo?

[wild chasm]

Don't feel bad then xD

[strong forum]

You mean 3mil

[wooden widget]

I haven’t tried colossus yet in keys. My only worry is less rage might mean less avatars overall

[round pendant]

oh I should prob craft a weapon

yet another week of no myth 1h

[tardy abyss]

Havent seen it crit that high yet

[strong forum]

Ye im also still hero weapon

635 btw

[round pendant]

I'm legit still on a champion weapon

[tardy abyss]

[round pendant]

I haven't gotten any of the drops I need in 3 weeks

[tardy abyss]

I only need myth chest and trinket and Im done

Two of which are easy to get

[round pendant]

I've ran like 15 grim batols and haven't got the ring I want for fury either

[tardy abyss]

Thats a sign to play arms instead

[wild chasm]

Circle of Bones or Umbriss?

[round pendant]

Either would be nice

but I want umbriss specifically for fury

Circle would still be better than what I have currently for prot

[round pendant]

nah fury is comfy in m+

[wild chasm]

Well I don't have too bad of a choice in that regards, but that myth crit haste is meh

[tardy abyss]

Tahts fair

[round pendant]

You're complaining about BiS prot ring?

🤔

[wild chasm]

Isn't Stitchflesh better though? I'm only at around 15k haste :< Don't have haste neck though

[tardy abyss]

Maybe but that ring is still really good

[wild chasm]

Well not for fury which I main...

[tardy abyss]

Thats unlucky

Arms would be happy about it too

[round pendant]

yeah but the raw numbers vs a hero ring should make up for that

not as great as a better myth ring obv

but yeah I hate fury's stat prio

[wild chasm]

I mean I have so much crit by accident, that my vers is sitting at 1.8k in fury

[vocal harness]

Overall? I never Hit 1mio dps Overall but i guess thats also dependent on the size of the pulls

[grim grotto]

is it better to use only haste/crit gems or different colors for extra crit? ( for m+ only )

[round pendant]

sim it

[wooden widget]

Speed gem

[sour flicker]

guys, is Slayer Prot viable?

[jagged pier]

well its impossible as we cant use that hero talent

[sour flicker]

yikes

I meant colossus

[round pendant]

yes it's viable

[jagged pier]

yer its fine

[grim grotto]

i did right now, but dont know if it worked. he didnt changed any gem.

its top gear and selecting all gems and 1 differnt item for sim right ?

ah. forgot the "replace existing gems"

[sour flicker]

Is there particular reason to play it if my sim gives +0,3% dps? Whereas Mountain Thane is more on survivability?

[jagged pier]

u like it more

[sour flicker]

okies

got it thanks

[grim grotto]

lol. sim tells me to replace all gems with haste crit. even the primary one. didnt know that 😄

[jagged pier]

8% speed > dps gems

[grim grotto]

can u explain?

u mean movement speed? oO

[strong forum]

Yes

[grim grotto]

why do we need speed?

[strong forum]

"damn I really wish I could get out of this mechanic quicker or to this mob"

[grim grotto]

im tank

[strong forum]

Infinitely more valuable than 300 dps

[grim grotto]

and we have jump charge etc

[strong forum]

You still have to move sometimes

And why not do that 8% faster

Instead of getting 200 extra dps

[vocal harness]

@strong forum could you Take a Look into my Tank logs i posted If i ask Very very nicely ?

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[strong forum]

sure

your general CPM is too low, youre not using revenge enough which is causing dead globals

im not a fan of the talent build as youre wasting a good chunk of dmg to get 5% stam

only 27 demo shouts in 28minutes is criminal, extreme underusage of it

[jagged pier]

the SR casts scare me

[strong forum]

your outburst usage also leaves things to be desired as they either look to be not played around

youre also not properly paying attention to your rotation for example here:

2 times did you miss out on pressing TC/TB
https://i.imgur.com/GmFchv3.png

here for example you sent 3 GCDs between TBs despite being inside avatar

https://i.imgur.com/ZROHsiI.png

defensively this part is also kinda whack as you spent 70 rage before even putting up SB

small things like these will all add up over time

[vocal harness]

Yeah i tend to do this - damn it

[strong forum]

this is illegal

you fucked up by sending 1 ignore pain too many

and this caused you to afk and wait for TC/SS CD

instead of sending that IP there, you shoulda sent revenges between TCs

to fish for SS resets to get the rotation going again

similar issue 10 seconds later

be more mindful in how you send ignore pains

and that alone will create a positive feedback loop in your damage and survivability!

[vocal harness]

Yeah i dont want to Defend myself - thanks for Your Detailed feedback!!! I recently started doing 10s and i was a bit too scared i i panic smashed some stuff. Like the walls i overlapped in First screenshot

[strong forum]

overlapping SW + LS on the very first pull is completely fine

as you use SW to gather the pull

and LS to recover/stabilize once its setup

[vocal harness]

But it was Like 1 second after sw i think? Kinda a waste?

[strong forum]

nah

on-pull is when a tank is at its weakest

SW is only a 40second CD

[vocal harness]

Yeah

[strong forum]

once youre setup in the pull youre chillin

early pull/while gathering is where tanks die most of the time

not during the pull

its usually at the start

[wicked pollen]

why is my best gb me playing execute

[vocal harness]

Okay thanks a Lot again for Your Insight and Help! Appreciate a Lot

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x93KQmHkVjLDXNJ6#fight=1&type=summary&source=10
jakey can you please look at this log :3

im playing normal talents :3

[vocal harness]

One more question about this - i try to have it ready for necessary usages like incoming tank busters. Should i try to use it plainly more on cd?

[strong forum]

Cds on CD

demo is an offensive CD

almost all the time

its a very short CD that grants dmg reduction, dmg output and rage

use it all the time

same with avatar

[wooden widget]

The real question is leech or speed on cloak and wrists?

[strong forum]

huh

ofc leech

[wooden widget]

Mhm mhm true

With footwork. Killing machine. Speed enchants and the gem we can get moving so fast

Looking at our healing sources is something I haven’t done yet

How much does indomitable do?

[deft mortar]

Outright forced to do this often tbh at those moments

Even when I am directly facing all mobs

Feels like healers can't put 2 and 2 together and precast

Later on if the pull act gets threatening BSV pops anyway

[sterile owl]

honestly going into higher keys (12 and 13) I find myself using demo shout more and more as a def cd on bigger packs, in between sw

[ionic fern]

W/e works for you.

[abstract iris]

How much does Tauren Stamina increase amount to. I know it used to be 5%, does it come close to that amount?

[scarlet stone]

It has not been 5% in 25 years

[lime mantle]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20550/endurance

[abstract iris]

Haha yeah I know

[lime mantle]

Imma go out on a limb and say about 2900, rounding it up 🙂

[abstract iris]

That doesn't sound like much

[lime mantle]

Passive racials aren't very noticeable, tauren racial also got pretty heavily gutted adjusted in wrath

It was 5% extra stam, then in wrath it became base (not counting stam) health aka shit.
Now it is 2900 stam which is like wearing a third of an extra ring, which is weird in account you only got 6 fingers total.

[abstract iris]

Hmm. Ok, so it probably accounts for next to nothing lol. I guess war stomp can be pretty useful though

[lime mantle]

🤷 racials are super minimal unless you are top 1% players and even then.
I like dwarf racial because I enjoy having a dispel and bitter immunity is pretty ass.
Also the extra pseudo world portals with the mole machines are neat.

[vocal harness]

Also RP wise dward visual is Just really tank like

[lime mantle]

Race was assigned by blizzard, until colossus becomes meta and we are all confused on which the non-RP fail minmax is at.

[vocal harness]

Race is a social construct established by blizzard to Divide and Control us !

[round pendant]

anyone got that gif of asmongold's action bar

[tribal wharf]

how do you socket belt

[round pendant]

vault tokens

[tribal wharf]

or just vault pass

ahh

shame it was a craft in the past

[small steeple]

I was looking at the racials for the new Earthen Allied race, and one of them says it increases base armor from equiped items by 10%. Am I misunderstanding how this works because from a first glance this seems really strong for tanks

[remote anchor]

this does not apply to items i think

its like your baseline armor

[jagged pier]

its base armour so its poo poo

[urban portal]

It’s armor pre tank steroids

So it makes up a tiny % of your armor

Most of a tanks armor comes from being in the tank spec itself

Compare your armor in arms vs prot with identical gear

[ionic yoke]

Tank specs normally have a baseline buff that increases armor gained from all sources iirc

[gusty saffron]

HellO! How could i know if im doing low dmfg?

[jagged gust]

Compare yourself to others

[gusty saffron]

How dmg are you doing then 😄

[jagged gust]

Depends on the dungeon and group, anywhere from 750k-1mil overall

But also I sucked compared to the prot gods in here

[gusty saffron]

And which is your ilvl?

Im 614

arround 500ks

a little bit more others

[jagged gust]

624

[gusty saffron]

ye think you are to high t o me

😄

[jagged gust]

You can use the compare function on warcraft logs

Or you can just post a log and we can go over some things

[brazen glacier]

Where are some of the best uses for spell block this season? I find I have no problem full sending all of my other cooldowns as soon as they're available, but I never use spell block for some reason.

[cyan bronze]

does anyone like double wall in ak?

feels like an ok dungeon for it, first pull is scary and feels like i dont need shieldwall for a while after

[jagged gust]

I can't say I've touched the talent... ever

I can see it making the first pull of NW comfy, but not too many case uses for it

[upbeat lake]

Dawnbreaker first boss obsidian beam cast you can use spell block in your defensive rotation it works as well if not better than shield wall to block that

[jagged gust]

plus there's like an 80% chance you catch 2 beams inside the buff period of SpB

[upbeat lake]

also very good to mitigate dark pulse cast of 3rd boss CoT, even tho tanks arent usually the ones dying to the cast it still hurts a ton

[wispy pawn]

For tertiary stats are we always looking for Leech > Avoidance as tank?

[gusty saffron]

our "dps" is Ravager and thunder no?

[jagged gust]

Leech > Speed > Avoidance imo, gotta go fast

[waxen cradle]

If ya ain't first your last

[pallid quiver]

sir, flip that sign around

you're saying gotta go slow right there

[strong forum]

@round pendant yeah you were right, you need good dps to do high dmg https://i.imgur.com/1OQUCml.png

[tribal wharf]

i would call those numbers photoshopped but i saw parts of the stream

[round pendant]

what the fuck

how

[strong forum]

revenge go brr

[round pendant]

colossus?

[jagged gust]

There's a reason he has god in his name

[tribal wharf]

big ass pulls lol

its like playing in 300cc mario kart and then you talk about how fast you went lol

[strong forum]

ye as thane i only did like 1.3mil

[round pendant]

meanwhile me +10 siege

[strong forum]

well siege

siege isnt good for overall

there is kinda hard to break into 1mil

or atleast was the last time i played it

[sudden moth]

With everyone playing prot pally on stream any good prot warr recommendations to watch? (self promoters welcomed)

[strong forum]

mekesTV

you can see him pop up on top of the members list in this discord when hes live

->

everyone else pretty much rerolled

and i sometimes stream weekly keys

[sudden moth]

😦

What is your twitch?

[jagged gust]

click his name

[round pendant]

lmao killed everyone in CoT final boss

cause paladin ran away with me with my big purple circle

and I panicked

[pallid quiver]

You can also check out Sense's videos on Youtube whenever he decides to upload one

[violet ginkgo]

Can we check luerce’s video too?

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The closest I've got is

actually i never even uploaded those to a youtube account or nothing

I was gonna upload clips of me being in fight games

but all of them I have on access are just on my hard drive

I don't think I've ever recorded myself playing WoW; I only have logs

[jagged gust]

Imagine if you just uploaded the replay function of your wowlogs

tiktok sensation

[simple void]

If you wanna just play around for fun and optimize you dps as much as possible, what spec/hero talents would go for?

[pallid quiver]

Colossus pound town

Nome should have a build on Wowhead for Colossus, iirc?

ah, nope, not for M+

He's got this on one of his Colossus keys:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAUVRRFUgUVKSUUBQNVUVEVERFVZVUQDRRAEFVVUBA

[jagged pier]

yes there is

[pallid quiver]

no where to select it on the talent page

[simple void]

Thanks just checking it out rn

[pallid quiver]

and top previews only have raid, as well

[simple void]

You would need around 40% haste with ItF, when you play without Bolster, ye?

To keep shield block up

[pallid quiver]

Before any buffs, but it can be less

It's semi-dependent on dungeon

I thiiiiiink you're fine with like 35% in all dungeons this season, but

It's like a 6% increase at optimal scenarios

[simple void]

Sorry if I'm stupid, but is this with or without the ItF buff?

[strong forum]

Without

[pallid quiver]

huh, so it does exist somewhere I guess; not in any place I'd figure to send people

[simple void]

Oh damn, that's a lot

At least for my current gear

[pallid quiver]

It's always a lot in S1

[strong forum]

I consciously didn't put the talent build there because I don't recommend people to play colossus willy nilly

It's however in the s1 overview page iirc

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I remember that

[strong forum]

It's somewhere on the pages

Beyond just talent calc

[pallid quiver]

I could've swore seeing it somewhere before, too, hence why I thought that before, though it's not on hero talents or base talents page

[jagged pier]

u just go the talent page and press the dropdown list

[strong forum]

Ye is in the s1 talent build list

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I know where that is, but it's not where I'd normally send people

[simple void]

What flex point would leave out to get Bolster and Spell block?

[strong forum]

As Colossus? Don't

[pallid quiver]

Ah, so it's on the S1 page and not Hero Talents or Talent Builds

[strong forum]

You need bloodsurge

Colossus physically can not pick up bolster and spellblock for keys

Unless you want to troll your dmg output significantly

[regal yarrow]

Is there a variable amount of little mobs towards the last boss of grim batol? I just finished it with 99%, despite doing the exact same pulls I've done every other run.

[pallid quiver]

Just don't take spell block and call it a healer issue, ez

[strong forum]

There is not

So you either missed 1 warlock somewhere

Or simply didn't do the exact same route

[stoic pilot]

From what I was told the bug still exists if you kill a mob with a projectile from dragon RP event while falling off it at the end

You lose the count from the kill

[regal yarrow]

I ran back through to double check. The only packs I didn't pull were the triple ogre pack on the right as soon as you go in towards the 3rd boss, and the pack at the end of the 2nd boss room

[pallid quiver]

That

would actually make sense, what Mekes said

[simple void]

Why do MT prefer to take Spear over Roar? More rage gain?

[vagrant drum]

Starting to run 12s as a 623 prot and I am having issues with threat on pulls, especially with mages. Do I just need to taunt prio target every pack? I feel like they often dps some random thing that rips aggro and then they die in like 1 auto

Wasn't having this issue until I started running with 630s and stuff

[pallid quiver]

It generally ends up being more damage with the right stats lined up due to fitting Thane's damage profile better

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

More dmg

But you need to play both spear talents

Which most clowns don't do, so it doesn't do more dmg

And they're just trolling their own dmg

[pallid quiver]

But 10 extra rage doesn't do anything, Nome, smh

I see that argument so many times

[strong forum]

Technically 20

Cuz you either play all 3 spear talents

[pallid quiver]

I mean for them not taking Piercing

[strong forum]

Or not spear at all

Ah

[simple void]

Why does Colossus then take Roar? I guess I missed something basic?

[strong forum]

Tldr is

Lines up with demolish

[stoic pilot]

Lines up better with demolish dmg profile

[strong forum]

Demolish buffs dmg and bleeds

Roar buffs bleeds

Therefor damage go brr

[simple void]

That makes perfect sense then

Thanks for the all the answers!

[pallid quiver]

You generally shouldn't have aggro issues on pulls unless someone is getting antsy while you're gathering, if you're not swinging at prio target properly, or if you're not engaging properly

There's a lot of people who would rather TC on charging into a pack instead of throwing ravager because of aggro gathering purposes, which is

a questionable decision

[strong forum]

Most also don't open with avatar

They wait until everything is gathered to send avatar + TB

When you ideally should avatar during charge

[vagrant drum]

I mean like
What if I don't have rav/avatar
I'm sending everything instantly

[strong forum]

Aoe taunt and simply just do more dmg idk

There's only so many generic answers we can give

[vagrant drum]

Yeah ig

[pallid quiver]

You should, by that point, either have AOE taunt, or rage to build up to an outburst TC, or shield charge, or something

It is a rare situation to have literally nothing to press, and if that does pop up, you probably made a mistake somewhere

[strong forum]

Would need logs to see if what you say you're doing, and what you're actually doing check out

Ykno

Cuz I ain't having threat issues in several expansions

Or can't remember ever having them

[pallid quiver]

I've had threat issues in raid 🙂

[tribal wharf]

okay so, why or why not

[pallid quiver]

phase lunge with two stacks of expose hurts bro

[strong forum]

Same, but me doing 1mil dps and my cotank being stuck in DF s3

[vagrant drum]

Yeah this is my first expac tanking anything as high as a 12
Only tanked bdk to like 15s in s2 of df

[strong forum]

Pain.

[pallid quiver]

Damn, I want your co-tank

I've had some stuck in DF S1

[strong forum]

60k dps?

Damn...

[pallid quiver]

45k

;-;

[strong forum]

What in the

Man's only pressed rightclick

[pallid quiver]

Hey, he pressed, uh, heart strike

like once

At least that one was a Normal pug on week 1

but sir please, i beg of you, press any button

[tame lodge]

Hello gamers, out of curiousity, how does the amount of damage you block get scaled? Is it flat number, based on your block rating on your shield? Some combination of both?

[pallid quiver]

It's based on the block value you possess

The only source of that from gear is your shield, hence why shield is your strongest defensive upgrade and overall most important piece

Block value is also adjusted by a few key talents in the tree, like Shield Specialization and Brace for Impact

How much actual damage you block when you block is based on that and other factors Blizz gets their fingers in, up to a cap of 85% of the damage reduced

Crit Blocks, as an aside, provide double the reduction, once again up to that cap

As another aside, unless it's been fixed, magic damage blocked by spell block, on crit blocks, can go past the 85% cap, but I haven't heard of anyone looking into that since it doesn't matter unless you're intentionally blocking things you're not supposed to stand in

[strong forum]

its % damage reduction

no flat value

[pallid quiver]

oh

i never said that at all, did I?

[strong forum]

nop

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the percent is based on the block value

that's a slightly important part of that

this is what I get for answering this question enough times

I'd eventually forget the most important part

It's helpful to think of block value as if it was, like, mastery rating. The number gets turned into a percent, and the value of it changes based on the level of your char and other factors, like how some specs get more % mastery off the same amount of rating than others

[ancient reef]

wahts the better dps spec to play if i main prot and dps is just as needed