protection

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it gains in value the more haste you have

Since it ignores DR points and the like due to being flat percent

While HR loses value in comparison, since it already spits so much SB uptime on you, you can get 100% uptime in combat with 0 haste

So you're just getting slight extra haste on a shield slam here or there as compared to literally everything going faster

[terse flume]

must play completely differently once you hit that breakpoint

[pallid quiver]

no it still plays exactly the same

ItF is literally just a passive boost

[terse flume]

i meant it must be a big efficacy boost

[pallid quiver]

It's like 6% damage in optimal conditions

[smoky anvil]

You press buttons slightly faster. Transmog gear to red color for even faster.

[pallid quiver]

You can perma sit on HR and have less of an impact than def stance did back in Dragonflight

Because again, that 6% is in optimal conditions with full stacks, which will not be the case in dungeons due to mechanics and bosses

[terse flume]

is swapping to battle stance still a thing?

[pallid quiver]

Technically you should still aim to be in Battle until you need def

But realistically, the gain you have from being in def stance is usually enough to justify pulling bigger,

which is a dramatically bigger increase than the 3% crit

But bosses don't usually hurt outside of telegraphed tank busters, especially raid, so you can comfy sit in Battle Stance until those points

[terse flume]

appreciate the insight, i haven't been playing a ton so its super helpful

[robust junco]

Trying to jump into m+, is there a specific addon that I can use to help with path learning?

[cunning oriole]

I'm sure other's will add to this, but start at https://keystone.guru/routes/tww/ If you want it available in-game so you can tweak it, create your own notes/pathing, you can download the addon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mythic-dungeon-tools and import routes from keystone.guru.

[upbeat lake]

I 2nd this, beeing able to create your own route in dungeons where knowing how much and what to pull isn't too obvious (like CoT or Dawnbreaker) makes it so much easier

[robust junco]

Perfect, thank you!

[cunning oriole]

For practice in the dungeons, you can do follower dungeons for all Khaz Algar instances. For the older dungeons, you will one-shot everything inside, so you can just fly to each one and zone in on Normal mode and practice your pulls and paths.

[regal yarrow]

I feel like trying to follow a route is going to make learning to do the dungeons way more difficult. You'd probably be better off making straight lines to each boss, and then picking up what you missed after the run, and working it out in future runs

[tribal wharf]

lfr

[knotty pewter]

is this incorrect in game? or maybe im interpretting logs incorrectly but what I see if FbV healing something closer to 85%.

nm, looking at overalls was not the right way to look at it. individual tics do look like 110%

[dire vale]

Do we wait to pop cds for first adds on M rashanan?

[strong forum]

No*

If you have a fury warri in there the adds will disappear before you can attempt to do any dmg to them

[bleak breach]

It’s a single target fight with small patches of adds.
I’d only hold a cd if adds are like 5secs away.

[shrewd grove]

Is WoWAnalyzer updated for Prot this season?

[forest harness]

this is how I do it, but more because it's more fun for me to figure things out on my own and keep a little file of notes on how dungeons have gone

also most of the dungeons this season are pretty linear, routes are not super complicated and the spots where you get punished for not picking up % are pretty obvious

[shrewd grove]

Yeah, I know some people prefer it this way, but I really like dungeons set up closer to Brackenhide. Give me choices! I think the only dungeon with any non-linear pulls is Siege, and that's still pretty on-the-rails

[rocky gust]

Hi, I am crafting 590 gear using weathered crests, and I was wondering what secondary stats I should put on them?
Haste/Versatility or Haste/Crit ?

wowhead's stat priority is haste->crit->vers

[shrewd grove]

Go with wowhead. So haste/crit

[rocky gust]

ok thanks

[simple drum]

Is there a way to sim defensive value or does simming defensive value even matter? I assume upgrading shield + upgrading ilvl is like 90% of defensive gearing

[nova pond]

so i was looking forward to 636 shield when i realized shield block is essentially the best shield.

Meaning, why the heck do i even get a shield when my ability does the shield's work.

With prot pally, a shield upgrade is huge due to the nature of the "block" value.

but with prot warr, i almost feel like running a 200 shield to prove a point

idfk tho, there could be some other reason why 636 shield beats 626 aprt from few stat increases

[mighty valley]

the block value of the shield increases the percentage of the damage blocked, which is massively valuable when shield block allows us to block every single melee attack

[south zealot]

youre jsust gonna prove yourself completely wrong

[final mist]

if you used a shield that low, you'd get wrecked hard - shield block is "just" 100% block chance

shield ilevel is where the defensive numerical benefit comes from

[pallid quiver]

If you think a shield upgrade is big for Prot Pala, it's even bigger for Prot War due to the above

Prot Pala has to engage in dedicated effort to get 100% block chance for a small period of time, including pre-casting a wog on yourself for the block chance

Prot War has a 100% block chance with shield block, which makes it always apply

Block Value, the part that having a shield actually adjusts, is how hard you're blocking

A higher or lower ilvl shield does literally nothing for Block Chance, since that comes from mastery stats and talent points, as well as rotational buttons

[wintry gate]

whats the best embellishments, i have the 70% health crit and the haste one

[jagged gust]

depends on a lot of things, best to sim and find whatever medium you're looking for between ST and aoe based on what you have crafted

[mighty valley]

also free yourself with the knowledge that they're a tiny fraction of your power and the difference isn't huge

i'd just go with double thread

[old basin]

guys how big of a troll is to not use champion's spear ?

[wintry gate]

what would u use otherwise

[old basin]

thunderous roar

[jagged gust]

never simmed it but its probably not huge

[wintry gate]

^ and u don't get rage

[jagged gust]

lose half an IP every 90 seconds, not a huge loss

tradeoff is more crit and better range on your cd

[old basin]

ok thanks guys

[ionic yoke]

Spear makes me angry

[fading trellis]

Hello guys i want to create a new prot warrior i will mainly tank +10s with were i maximize the dps.
I usually like the dwarf bleed/poison remove so i will pick one of the two.
Is it worth it to go for dark iron over normal dwarf for the damage gain via stats or is it just not worth it ?

[cobalt goblet]

Is there any concern with healing key% parse being really low in 10s & 11s?

[pallid quiver]

Healing parses depend on you taking more damage

So, potentially, but inconclusive

You could have just not taken damage from mechanics/avoidable casts

[oak ivy]

can I get a battle shout weakaura for raid

cant find one on wago

[wintry gate]

this is shit right?

[winged slate]

Nah it's aight

Just sim it

[brave jackal]

I use roar mostly

[oak ivy]

fuck me kyveza hurts

Is my ilvl low? high? Unpopular spec for this fight?

[pallid quiver]

For M Kyveza? Most groups aren't running Prot War in raid because of the extreme need for BDKs on Brood and the like

[simple drum]

What’s the best way to sim multi target (5+) for us? Dungeon slice is apparently bad so do I just go off of what Bloodmallet tells me?

[mighty valley]

just do multiple patchwerks

for like 1.5 mins no lust

[white dove]

Hello, new to Prot warrior tanking for M+
Is there a list somewhere of spells that should/can be intervened and one for spell reflects too?

[eager phoenix]

[white dove]

Thanks, saw the posted date and completely overlooked it oops

[steep escarp]

Does anyone know if/how shield block scales off of your offhand? Mostly asking in the context if having a low ilvl shield reduces the effectiveness of your shield block

[lone wren]

What items give part sparse from sultan trinket?

[jagged gust]

block rating scales with ilvl, block rating is what determines how much damage your block reduces

[steep escarp]

ok so it scales off of your average ilvl, ty

[jagged gust]

not average ilvl, ilvl of the shield itself

Block rating, and thus shield ilvl is the only thing that determines how much your block will reduces phys damage

mastery can increase the chance of critical blocking, which then doubles the damage reduction

[steep escarp]

ah ok. i was wondering why i felt so squishy lol. was doing +5s with a 550 ilvl shield lmao

[jagged gust]

yeah priority #1 is getting the best shield you can lay your hands on

in a 5 your health bar shouldn't even be moving

with a high enough shield

[violet ginkgo]

if you finish the raid story just insta craft the 619 shield

+69 ilvl shield gonna be giga jump

[lone wren]

You can craft 590 shield with weathered crests and 606 with sparks.

[ionic yoke]

Can somebody link Bulwark of Azzinoth (TW)?

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

#protection message

[torpid vault]

Hey, need some advice on tanking SoB, im currently trying to time +13 but have an issue with a part that I link as route if you would check it out. My issue is: the three mob pack in the gateway is quite small, but hit really hard, also aoe the grp, so I dont like to pull it on the other stationary pack and patrol. Also the patrol and other grp usually are really spread out so quite hard to tank and we usually wipe there. I know it can be invis-d, but usually with pugs that means you cant mess up until second boss and someone usually dies. How do you guys handle that?

!v9yqpnmmmu4)rOwM002vesiaPaISZwLM4umlnEknz0DP)2Xju0GloV8YxS9dAHdGM7)enPjrMaTLCoYK9PlGQDZnnG(lepcQQ887(mw(IjhJyiDFomGC4r7SaVVqmHEPxeh(PBRCVM9EHOaKqCKcdGQPClsU0lo3e(74pjKfzf()hQBBQ1APyKa12)(C1sByphLC02UBZEX46wOZ9E8mUUjPYUmlvnHd4sh7w6UJJscNw6oGJNeD8Ys3BCoHGE0sLG7Ii(b7TpXuaTq)vN181JdzYxt46uYKf0BP8rtZU55NFq8GVb

the packs in question, but it's the pack after the usual second pull

[violet ginkgo]

screenshot might be better.

[ionic yoke]

[tribal wharf]

did anyone upgrade computer from am4 to am5 within last year or 2 and found the cpu made a massive difference performance

it nessecitates the purchase of up to 4 other parts up to like 1kusd, probably 500 minimum

cuz immediately i need new cpu, new board new ram

sockets on motherboards changing from 1 socket to another is what i hate more than anything

[torpid vault]

the #3 and #4 pull

[quartz meteor]

i thought you spawn at the first boss area after killing it

[pliant goblet]

Are you pugging or in a formed group with friends?

[solar spear]

What I do is take the 3 by itself. Normally the singing steel fella stays alive longer than the others, so when the patrol looks like it's in a good position, I chain pull. A class that can knock the fire bombers together can help.

You need cooldowns and defensives for it then though obviously

[pliant goblet]

With our group we chew that first pack a little like the comment above and then pull it in once big pack is grouped. Tanking on the corner of the alley way so people can los.

I start with a roar that disables casts for 6 seconds, and then we chain our ccs, cry’s and defensives. Most big offensive cds should be up

[torpid vault]

nope

[torpid vault]

im pugging

[torpid vault]

roar doesnt affect bombers right?

[pliant goblet]

I can’t say 100% usually I’m giving myself carpet tunnel smashing buttons to check what’s cc’ing what

[torpid vault]

btw do you folks know a place where it's easy to find eu groups to push with as a premade?

would like sime stability and communication because keys are getting harder

[pliant goblet]

I’m EU but in us servers so not sure, but befriending players you vibe with and building up a friends list helps, a lot of people have the same intentions

[torpid vault]

im eu too as i mentioned 🙂

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth is your community in NA or also EU?

[ionic fern]

https://discord.gg/mythicplusfriends

Seems EU also has a presence there.

[torpid vault]

thanks!

[tribal wharf]

very sad

literal 1 gcd off 2 chest

[fresh pilot]

Do i upgrade the belt now? i have just enough crests to cap it, or can farm it atleast? or do i just hold on to the crests for next weeks vault?

[tribal wharf]

A protetion warrior dueling an arms warrior.

[jade tartan]

guys are there any good defensive options on trinkets other than swarmlord?

[lyric nebula]

how do i use spell block correclty? is there a kind of list whre i can see when to use it? which mobs and dungeons?

[tardy abyss]

Reflect spreadsheet in the pins

[lyric nebula]

ah thanks!

[minor forge]

For 10 keys would swarmlord be better than mad queen mandate

[tardy abyss]

Swarmlords doesnt do any damage

[minor forge]

So mqm it is since besides cot not gonna hit the groundfloor on the other dungeons and swarm does not help in st

[tardy abyss]

exactly

[vernal aspen]

how do you guys remove the haste debuff from the first pack in SoB?

[grizzled nova]

You don't.

Tooth breaker is just one of those pointlessly unfun things blizzard tossed in the game for no reason.

A dps clamp on a low dps target that makes the game feel bad to play for 15 seconds because fuck you.

[vernal aspen]

I see, that's awesome

[rough egret]

soo I now just need higher item lvl 😄

[meager berry]

what is this addon and what it shows? lost rating true rating?

i finish overall 12 key with 750k dps
is this normal i feel like it is low? i should be doing at least 950 or 1m no?

it is a smooth key and i am always in def stance

i dont use ravager

[ancient reef]

What item level to start tanking 10s, i am 610 atm and been doing 8s. Times some missed some. Not sure if its me or just the pugs I been in.

[meager berry]

i try to be carefull with violent outburst but i miss sometimes.

[meager berry]

depends on your group. i timed 12 when i was 612 ilvl. it was boralus.

[ancient reef]

Pugs mostly

[turbid shuttle]

log your key and check key%. this is the only objective way to answer this question

[meager berry]

alrght good idea

[turbid shuttle]

if you're bricking 8s you're probably doing many, many things wrong. doesn't mean you can't do 10s, but just keep focusing on improving and the key levels will come

[rough egret]

its called True Stat Values, and it shows when you are loosing stats by getting more stats 🙂

[ancient reef]

I've had to def tighten up my rotation at the start of pulls. I do as much dps as dps but i had to tell them give me .3 secs ro get a tclap in

Most of the bad pulls are them hitting burst before I've actually got mobs

[ornate thicket]

I try to line up an avatar for every pull so that i can go in, tclap, avatar into more claps.

Helps with the initial snap

[fresh pilot]

When looking at wow logs, what does the "speed" tab scale on?

[cunning berry]

This is my Trinket set up right now, I assume Heart is better than the Spelunkers candle yeah?

I know my trinkets aren't the best, just started working on this warrior last week so this is just the best I've got right now, seeing if heart is an increase, or if what I have is better until I get better

[mighty grail]

Im 604 and doing 10s

[inner wren]

you can sim it

personally i would dump foul beheomth for heart

assuming these are the only trinkets you have

selunker candle is pretty solid

[cunning berry]

Yeah these are sadly what I have right now

Gonna try to get one of the Mas trinks or a sac today if drops are lucky

Yep swapping out the Behemoths for heart ended up being better, ty

[clear rune]

Does ignore pain scale with vers?

[late temple]

is it ideal to stack up Ignore Pain uses? I try to maximize the buff, am i doing it right?

[inner wren]

you use it as you need to dump rage

[hoary pivot]

use it if you are aobve 70 rage and SB is on cooldown

tracking the buff will mostly not influence the buttons you press outside of tankbusters where it might influence the defensives you use or dont use

[cunning oriole]

[Help] Parses/Dmg low compared to other prot warriors
My rotation looks a lot like this:
SS->TC->SS->IP+SB->SS->TB->IP+SB->SS->TB->SS->REV
SW for big incoming
Trinket, Rav, Spear off CD
Generally speaking, is this it? I feel like I'm not doing something and it's causing me to underperform on parses/dmg.
Also, my GV has tier gloves...but they're veteran level. Should I get them to complete the 4 set bonus, even though they're a step down from my Champ gloves? I don't really have better options in my GV this week, my best pieces are non-tanking trinkets and I already have Hero

[violet ginkgo]

usually it's not about rotation it's just priority and presing the button at the right time.. Also you can catalyze the champ gloves?

and sadly those are not enough, the best way is just provide logs usually let the reviewer see.

[round pendant]

got a log?

also I hope you mean IP+SS, not IP+SB

but that wouldn't really make sense, if you've macro'd those you should.. not do that

IP to prevent overcapping rage, shield block to maintain it

Thunder Blast (2+ targets) > Shield Slam > Thunder Clap/Blast > Revenge > Execute

Spend Violent Outburst on SS (st) or TB (2+) or tclap (4+)

[cunning oriole]

I have started to use IP with SS more, I have IP on Q key and was thinking that, since I'm trying to constantly keep SB up, it made sense to spam them together.

And oof, logs...I have 1 norm from a couple of weeks ago. Since then I've redone my talents, understanding my abilities more, and gotten slightly better gear:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/3371312?zone=38#difficulty=3

[round pendant]

oh and make sure you're using avatar and demo shout on CD

[cunning oriole]

Yes, always, sorry I didn't add.

[round pendant]

Looks to me like you're pressing revenge too much and thunder blast too little

Also generally low Shield Slam CPM

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, I got the same info from that log, and adjusted. I use Rev only when IP is above 75% and Rage is capping

[round pendant]

that's a wrong decision

[cunning oriole]

But my avg overall dmg is currently hovering in the 400-500k range

[round pendant]

only revenge when you don't have SS/TC

since IP is oGCD you can still press SS/TC immediately after

[cunning oriole]

Yes, this is the goal. Prio is SS>TC>Rev (if SS not up and other conditions met). SS is always prio

[round pendant]

gonna need some recent logs since I can't fix things you've already fixed :^)

[mighty valley]

the four rules are

• maintain sb always
• use IP to prevent capping rage (use above 70 is decent rule of thumb)
• offensive cds on cd
• otherwise press ss/tb > tc > rev and don’t miss a gcd

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, sorry about that, I ran norm this week but forgot to log it

[round pendant]

If you're pugging normal the quality of your groups affects your dps a lot

what's your ST sim?

[cunning oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wtiKHmjX4ZTDWQDBtZHNTv

[mystic herald]

New to prot warrior. Any particular content creator to watch?

[round pendant]

Bad trinkets, low ilvl

you're doing fine if you're doing 500k in ST fights in normal

You obviously understand the general concepts if you're reaching that

so just play the game more

(and come back with a log!!)

[round pendant]

Dorki is acceptable

[elder plinth]

Hi, I am most likely having a stupid question that has no straight up solution and requieres logs but. I'm 604 currently with some complete random ass stats (just started gearing) and I attempted +5 CoT today and I had few pulls that almost completly wiped me off the floor, barely survived.
My defensive thing is I try to keep Shield block and Ignore pain up (just as wowhead guide says) and burning rage on ignore pain if im gonna overcap.
Then I hold shield wall and last stand for crisis situation but now the question is, I used to play DKs and u can technically hold defensives there and use it to help out heal up (cleared multiple 10s in time).
On warrior since it's not healing as much I should use bigger defensives preemptively as of anticipating the damage? Like once i drop low and healer wont make it in healing, im just dropping dead 99% of the time or is there a way to still save myself besides the 1 healing button warrior has

[round pendant]

as for prot war main content creators

I can't think of any

[mystic herald]

Ok I'll check dorki out ty

[jagged pier]

nomeratur

and sense

[round pendant]

I know nome streams sometimes but does he make content?

didn't know that

and yeah I forgot about Sense

yeah, check Sense out

[jagged pier]

he sometimes posts to yt

[round pendant]

Generally you just want to send Shield Wall as it has a very short CD. obviously hold it for tank busters or very important tankbuster mobs

[mighty valley]

Broadly yes, prot warr needs to use defensives before the damage hits, so you need to know which abilities matter. But in a CoT5, I’m guessing the real problem was just no one kicking anything

[round pendant]

Also, become aware of how overpowered Spell Block is

[elder plinth]

well it was a pug and i did check, that's correct, didnt expect the spells would eat me that hard even when im timing the spell reflect and spell block on bigger caster packs, but thats fair

[round pendant]

nah fortified web bolts will fuck you if you run out of mitigation and they're not being kicked

So combination of low dps + no kicks probably killed you, not your gameplay

that's my guess

[mighty valley]

there are a LOT of casts, outside of spell block they’ll shred anyone. plus the healer is probably cc’d half the time lmao

[elder plinth]

Okay so theoretically, if I play OKAY-ish (im learning tanking overall, started with DK but the setup time is so obnoxious) is Warrior a good tank class to learn M+ tanking for future? recently realized how fun is tanking M+ and I kinda wanna go into that direction.

but the main question so theoretically, if I play OKAY-ish what should be the key level I should be able to tank

[round pendant]

prot war is sick

[elder plinth]

I saw some madmans 600~~ warrior / dk tanks doing like 9s but that seems impossible to my brain based on how clapped i get on +5/+6 xD

[round pendant]

I mean you can do 10s at 600 ilvl

[mighty valley]

it’s really a total group competency issue, you can do huge keys at low ilvl if everyone’s contributing

but it’s a lot harder to carry pugs this season

[round pendant]

god bring back CCs interrupting

PLEASE

I carried so many fucking pugs in DF with shockwave and aoe fear

[elder plinth]

At the same time, I know I'm not carrying my weight i feel like, mostly due to the fact that I can feel how my hp is dropping and I sometimes panic, also I'm still in process of remembering with icy-veins dungeon guides all the tankbusters

best example is how surprised i got when I first got hit by shadow claw on +10 on my dk from a trash pull

7mil hit

[round pendant]

I mean in certain pulls your hp will drop, that's what healers are for

[mighty valley]

Bring us a log and we can see if you’re playing alright at the basics

[elder plinth]

Will do, well if my logs work

[round pendant]

Prot War is a little more dependent on healers I'd say

[elder plinth]

tried doing logs like 7 times already never saved

[red dock]

Was watching people pull 3rd GB boss into this cubby where they just eat the breath. Apparently thats for add spawns. However have only see Paladins do this. Is it doable as a warrior or would breath kill us?

Should have spell reflect for it right?

[round pendant]

you can just step outside of the breath

[elder plinth]

you dont have to tank the breath, i did that on DK and for breath u can just step out

so every tank can do this, but breath you should step out imo

[red dock]

Ok makes sense

Also meant to ask that but assumed there was a reason they didnt

[elder plinth]

although I'm curious if monk can do it freely considering the fact you are eating the tornadoes and the stagger could get scary

[red dock]

You eat tornadoes in there too?

[elder plinth]

yep

[red dock]

Oh sick

[elder plinth]

its easier for the outside dps though since they have to do 2 small steps every rotation of tornadoes

[red dock]

So DPS just have to kill adds and deal with buffet

[elder plinth]

and they can insta cleave the adds

[round pendant]

just run forward/back to dodge tornados

[elder plinth]

They spawn right on top of eachother at the dragons butt

[round pendant]

and dodge frontal

ezpz

[elder plinth]

so adds can be cleaved way before they even focus someone

[red dock]

And for the Faceless, if you kill adds right after a Corrupt cast, the debuff should fall off before the next one is cast, right?

[cunning oriole]

Cool, thanks for your feedback!

[tribal wharf]

nothing more nerve wracking for me than lust on first pull of dungeon

has the potential to go so much spectacularly and explosively fail brick the key.

[obsidian frost]

If im pretty much just M+ing I should go radiant power of depths right?

Over*

[hollow sphinx]

at which keylevel do i go for versa ??

[jagged pier]

none

[fallow hinge]

how much better is dawnthread/duskthread lining compared to elemental focusing lens in aoe?

[jagged pier]

much better

as lens is oonly for ST

[smoky anvil]

Dawnthread dwarf chads rise up

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293

[sweet summit]

omg that's me :3

[tribal wharf]

prompt: world of warcraft tauren but hes gigachad

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293

[tribal wharf]

i tried to make something

[sweet summit]

mods... kill generative ai...

[tribal wharf]

okay, slightly closwer

........ did he finally decapitate the gnome, and then wear its head like a baseball cap?

[jagged pier]

imagine not being a draco visage mommy

[cyan bronze]

hey

what?

[grizzled orbit]

i got a 12 ara key, wonder if i can tnak it as 619ilvl

[jagged pier]

probably

[grizzled orbit]

you guys ever change stance to battle? 😛

i find that annoying

[jagged pier]

in raid on some bosses

but generally not much

u dont gain much for being in it at all

[grizzled orbit]

Yeah, hmm for tanking that 12 key shud i go more defensive build

[jagged pier]

that depends what build u are running

[jagged pier]

i mean thats argueably a not very tanky build

but ppl seem to think it is

if you're happy with it

run it

[grizzled orbit]

i just copied it from a website 😛

dunno wer to find the "right" one

[ionic fern]

Right one for what?

[blazing condor]

Joy and purpose in life

[jagged pier]

this game cant give that too u

go outside

[grizzled orbit]

this one better maybe?

[cyan bronze]

idk i like noms bsv build

[grizzled orbit]

witch one is that

[cyan bronze]

hr, itf interchangable

actually idk if u can play itf w/ that

prob can

[grizzled orbit]

no shield charge? 😛

[jagged pier]

playing ITF depends on haste

[grizzled orbit]

looks bad

[cyan bronze]

ya

[cyan bronze]

i mean

shield charge vs ravager+bolster

[queen summit]

How much haste do it depends on? 🙂

[jagged pier]

about 35-40% with no buffs

[grizzled orbit]

im at 20 😛

[queen summit]

is this build more dmg wise or ? 🙂

Im at 33 atm 😛

[cyan bronze]

itf is more damage

[queen summit]

What if your going for maybe higher keys, what would be a more safe build to run, or are u just running itf?

[jagged pier]

u run the build diva linked

[cyan bronze]

i mean, if you can keep sb uptime fine

shouldnt itf just be tankier

[jagged pier]

ppl dont

ive seen the logs

[cyan bronze]

fair

assuming they do tho, i assume the extra haste offsets the rage loss on ss?

[lilac temple]

How much haste should I have before swapping to Into the Fray?

[chrome lance]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-it-lala-ri-rupaul’s-drag-race-all-stars-s8e12-every-bit-of-it-gif-5626500475930961100

[lilac temple]

Is 14k enough 😦

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[oak ivy]

what is the geega tanky build

teach me father

[jagged pier]

the one diva linked

do ppl read?

[chrome lance]

https://tenor.com/view/words-are-hard-big-bang-gif-7470253

[oak ivy]

I didn't scroll

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[tribal wharf]

is there something dps can do in keys once a monster or boss is at like 8% they instant delete him, i swore that was only a brew thing

[cyan bronze]

we know

[cyan bronze]

necrotic wake cleaver

[tribal wharf]

i swear i've had that feeling in multiple keys where boss gets to like sub 10% and then like dies insta

[cyan bronze]

or just monks in general

[tribal wharf]

maybe execute just really big lol

[cyan bronze]

destro can execute but shouldn't be able to 10->0 a mob

[oak ivy]

trinket from ansurek

Mad Queen's Mandate

[cyan bronze]

that too

[queen summit]

@cyan bronze Do u have the fuld build i would like to see it, and see what other peoples is going with atm 😉

[cyan bronze]

wdym

class tree?

[tribal wharf]

that would be cool if execution spells have 1% chance to instant kill enemy less than 10% hp, maybe even 0.5

[queen summit]

Yes

[cyan bronze]

is what i like

but idk spec tree is irrelevant

play 2 stam points if u want

play none if u want

play honed reflexes if u want, dont if u dont want

[tribal wharf]

other than shockwave support talent i agree with that tree

[cyan bronze]

just take unstoppable force and spell reflect

[cyan bronze]

ya

[tribal wharf]

well, mostly

[cyan bronze]

idk where else to put the point

shockwave cdr is okay

[tribal wharf]

i like leaper personally

[cyan bronze]

i like leaper also

[sullen gust]

I personally take the leap move speed too, just feels good

[tribal wharf]

even more so now that we drop the passive move speed talent

[cyan bronze]

i take it in some keys

i would play more keys if i wasnt 615 in 13s and 14s 😵‍💫

@jagged pier lmfao. found out what happens when you use spear on low hp spiders in arakara

https://tenor.com/view/poggers-cat-gif-21840692

bricked 14 ara (from spear)into bricked 13 ara because someone managed to pull an extra attendant on first pull

[warm plinth]

Everything but Asian regions basically

[grizzled orbit]

after shield what crafted item shud i upgrade to 636

[lime mantle]

what happens? They instantly blow up?

[cyan bronze]

they get chained

and then kill your melee

and your mistweaver

[steel thunder]

What are the best Embelishments and Trinkets as tank? Thinking about crafting Beledars Bulwark+embrace Darkness embelishment on bracers.

Trinkets: Ara'kara + ... ?

[jagged pier]

double lining whatever u like

and ara and whatever u like

[severe wigeon]

hello caan someone help me correct my talents for M+

someone said i need to change a few talents as soon as i got 35% haste

[lime mantle]

Wait what.
Chained mobs act like rooted mobs in what concerns melee?

[cyan bronze]

some of the spiders were blowing up

some werent

i sent spear+rav+avatar+roar for dmg

i generally perma s walk there to not eat explosion

the chain from the spear caused my melee to get a spider slingshotted in their ass

[lime mantle]

just tell them that you where trolling :^)

But okay I get the issue now, I thought it was something more obscure

[rough egret]

Whats the sword?

[jagged pier]

dis one

[elder plinth]

Does anyone here have experience playing with lightmist Holy paladin as healer in m+? how does it feel as warrior all this passive healing, is it comfortable or does warrior require a bit more single target focused healers?

[rough egret]

Well is it still optainable? I like that its on your back

[jagged pier]

i dunno

dont even know where i got it from

[old basin]

when should i swap out to into the frey ?

[rough egret]

Can you share name of it? 😄 im on phone not in game atm

[rough egret]

35-40% haste unbuffed

[jagged pier]

fireborn blade

[rough egret]

Thanks

Ah its from trading post, august when i took break 😄

Rip

Maybe it will return one day

[jagged pier]

the shield is also unobtainable

pretty sure that was mop remix

[tulip remnant]

I either use Mage tower look or Bulwark of Azzinoth

Basic af

[fleet dust]

Hi everyone.

Is there a macro to drop raid marker on the ground through macro for ovinax?

[tribal wharf]

uhh i have something @fleet dust

look up this in addons

true 1 action marking system

2 for raid marker, (it does work in keys yes) its so good

[solemn current]

There’s a WA that essentially mimics the old details auto run code trick for a world marker keybind that cycles through them. Can bind one key for markers and either a modifier or separate key for removing all markers in custom options https://wago.io/koguSJAuR. Even skips the targeting reticle.

Sune seems to have a fork of it uploaded with its intended purpose being Ovinax but not sure what or if anything is different with it.

[fast summit]

sorry noob question, so block simply just means 30% dr on an attack. so if we ahve 100%+ block we have a 100%+ chance to reduce incoming attack (non magic) by 30%?

It doesnt mean immune/ignore

[vestal moat]

roughly yes thats what it means. blocking never completely negates damage. you just take less

[fast summit]

kk

is the amoutn its reduced by vary much more than 30%?

i dont think anything changes that

[short ivy]

crit blocking does right?

[remote anchor]

mastery

[fast summit]

true, okay ty

[sharp gale]

Open your character window, press shield block, hover Block, it’s roughly what is the DR

You still got few other modifiers when you actually press buttons etc

[vestal moat]

Assuming I have enough haste to run ITF in a dungeon, is there a number of melee i have to have or not have to make it not worth it. For example, 2 ranged, 1 ranged healer, just 1 melee. Worth it or no? Is the sweet spot 2 or more? or does it not matter

[wicked pollen]

or just keep shield blokc up

[woven ice]

^real

[fresh umbra]

just coming back to WoW and am running Hekili for a bit to get back into the swing of things and keep seeing this icon on the rotation, but can't find it, any idea what it is?

[compact palm]

Imotilate

Ur a warlock now

[fresh umbra]

not the War i signed up for

[woven ice]

pretty sure that would come from a trinket

[tepid reef]

Does anyone have route/guide/tips etc, for what the safest/most consistent NW 10 looks like? just a youtube link fine as well

Looking to get portal and never step into NW again

I've done 2-3 NW 8s a couple minutes over time, timed 9 10s so far in other dungeons

[hollow sphinx]

And why do some streamers have haste versa crafts instead of haste crit and they put haste versa gems in?

[hollow sphinx]

Pull the 1st 4 packs at once (if not tyrinnical) then pull the next pack, then do the platform behind the boss including those 5 minions, go for boss, do the rest on the bottom area except those 3 casters and the 3 mobs on the left side of the bridge.
Do everything on the next „floor“ except the pack in the right corner after doing the three packs after the bridge. Take spears with you..and then it’s all about dps 😉

[tepid reef]

10 is tyran

[smoky anvil]

Because they’re at a level where feelscrafting enters the mix and they’d rather have lower mag dam spikes than higher parry.

Unless you’re also pushing big keys your world is very different to theirs.

[tepid reef]

ty

[hollow sphinx]

Thank you

[smoky anvil]

Ilvl king followed by haste > crit >= vers > mastery and you’ll be fine

Once you do big keys, as in like 14s up prolly, you may consider adjustments.

[quaint rune]

hey friends swarmlords worth hoping for if you have skarmorak and brood?

[south wing]

I know there are probably too many variables but is 650k dps taken a reasonable amount in a +10 mists as 622 ilvl? I'm a dps player and am finding it hard to find quantifiable metrics

[mighty valley]

uhhhh no one really looks at dps taken since like you say it varies so much

“did i die? no? probably doing alright on the damage taken front”

[hollow sphinx]

shield or neck on 636? have both on 619...

[vestal moat]

shield

[dark lark]

For the last boss in arakara, what's the timing in the singularity cast I should be looking at for heroic leap?

[tepid reef]

shield is only source of block value, very good tank stat

[hollow sphinx]

https://wago.io/0Ta6vLUg4

[south wing]

fair enough. bout what i figured anyway

[dark lark]

Ill give it a try. Does it honk at me or something when it's time to jump lol

[hollow sphinx]

ull see it

is the dropchance for the trinket in ara kara higher for fury or prot? or does it even matter?

[dark lark]

You just want fewer items on the loot table

In the dungeon journal > loot, tab through arms fury and prot to see what drops what and just select the loot specialization with the trinket and fewest items on the loot table for the dungeon overall

I believe arms is a safe bet

[icy citrus]

Sup yall, is it worth wearing champion Wings of Shattered Sorrow (Rash cloak) over random Myth one?

[edgy bone]

Where does it say the cooldown on enemy mob spells in MDT?

[pastel geyser]

if u right click on the mob

u can also get the wa for it

to show up on your hp plates

[jagged gust]

nah

[red dock]

It shows the cd of spells?

[pastel geyser]

yea of the mob spells

im on my laptop rn and i dont have most addons, its smth like 'enemy cds on nameplates'

Spell CDs on Nameplate - (Season 1) TWW this

[red dock]

TY

[edgy bone]

Bro

I'm sick of getting declined for keys in place of prot paladin

Screw paladin dawg they can rot

This is some BS and everyone knows it

[shrewd grove]

What level key are you getting declined at?

[jagged gust]

should've enjoyed it while it lasted, a prot meta is like christmas in july

[scarlet stone]

Wahhh I’m the 2nd best tank class and get declined to 5% more keys than before. :pepehands:

[shrewd grove]

I'm just interested bc I'm like 2.6k and I can't remember the last time I got declined while running 11-12s

I dont even have all portals

[red dock]

Do people pop shield wall going into the first SoB pull?

Tooth breaker hits extremely hard, figure its necessary right?

[shrewd grove]

Yeah

I do, at least

[red dock]

Alright

Tried to just sit it for a second and get stuff rolling but its way too much at once

[shrewd grove]

The CD is so short, it's basically never a bad idea to pop the mf

[shrewd grove]

Most dangerous part of the pull is the first 2s in my experience

Once SB is up and you have some IP built, you're never gonna die to that pull

But you're coming in fresh, with nothing rolling from a previous pull

[red dock]

Yeah thats what I found

ty

[mighty valley]

sw has a tiny cd, get it rolling on every real pull

[cyan bronze]

If you were the meta tank

You would still get declined

For other prot warriors

https://tenor.com/view/its-all-about-perspective-sarah-foti-ultimate-cowboy-showdown-it-depends-on-how-you-see-it-it-depends-on-your-perspective-gif-25477066

[ionic yoke]

People want to get carried

[edgy bone]

No i wouldnt, because im dope at tank

huge nuts that leave craters as they drag

[oak trench]

What % of Haste should you aim for as a m+ focus prot war

at 38% rn

[oak trench]

https://tenor.com/view/michaelscott-jpj-theoffice-the-office-gif-27685513

[cyan bronze]

Pics?

[simple drum]

Does the haste you get from Into the Fray make it a better talent than the Shield Block one on its choice nodes?

[onyx vessel]

40%

[tacit smelt]

anyone find having an aug in your group in high keys as liabilities?

[simple drum]

I heard the value was 5400 which is WAY less than 40 lol

Even with Transmitter and Ara Kara you only hit like 38%

[minor forge]

I dont think I can reach 40% without the raid neck even with swarmlord and arakara
Might be wrong

[jagged gust]

35% is the min, which you hit around 20k haste, you'll generally have ~1-2 seconds of downtime every minute or so, but in practice this isn't an issue in either m+ or raid

[unborn compass]

Best Race to play on horde?

[waxen orbit]

I kind of feel like

listing my 15 Siege of Boralus as a 4

inviting a bunch of low io people

punching in the 15

[unborn compass]

Most guides im seeing are saying Dwarf :l

[unborn compass]

thats diabolical

[upper nest]

Do we run spellblock for every dungeon? If not what should I spend my talent point on instead?

[torpid vault]

I am in 12-13 keys, might be wrong tho

[jagged gust]

If only we didn't wipe 5 times to the final pull of SV woulda finally broke a mil

[icy citrus]

You sure it isnt worth?

[dull phoenix]

Had a good vault, but i have indecision on what to take

Is there any way i could just adjust to?

[tulip oar]

Most suck, and are traps. Very similar to mages. Extremely popular, so get away with being more bad.

[tulip oar]

This sounds like a hell of a content key. Or, they'll simply leave.

I just picture all but the tank getting insta-gibbed by thr first bellowing shout.

[tulip oar]

Was helping a streamer with a key, GB 10. Got a little too excited seeing the low health bar pop up on the corruptor mobs.

[lime mantle]

You say as if that isnt' the funniest shit.
I had a SoB10 the other day with a comically undergeared evoker healer, he died 4 times to splash damage ||we had 6 deaths 😹 ||

[tulip oar]

No, no, I was laughing the entire time. lol

[knotty light]

crit + mastery + speed OR crit haste :)

which do you choose

[analog gale]

/WA

!wa

[sweet summit]

haste 🫡

[sweet summit]

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[gusty saffron]

Hello, noobie question here, when you aim to do a big pull, how you handle cds? I mean, like sv first pull or necrcotic

What should i pump while gathering mobs?

Shield charge-ignore pain- but should i go into a global?

Demoraliz looks weird cause there is mobs that wont get affected by it

[sharp gale]

I always pop Last Stand

And for what you do, it always depends on the pull, look few videos on special ones like gatekeeper pull or spider pull in ara

[onyx vessel]

[red dock]

Does heroic leap work to skip the blood guard right before 3rd boss in Ara Kara?

[inner oracle]

2nd boss you mean? Yes it works

[red dock]

Right, second

Cool ty

[inner oracle]

Take your time so that you never turn your back on mobs during gathering is one important thing, pull from range and leap to avoid some of the damage can also help, then demo/wall/last stand/spell block/etc rotation when all the pull connect. Throwing Ravager before all mobs are in range to melee hit you is also great for big rage + threat generation

1st NW pull also plan ahead if/when you’ll need to kite the vanguards if you don’t have rage soothe in the group

[brave cliff]

Is there a weak aura that tells you if you get hit from behind without block ? That does some sound ? Any one ?

[inner oracle]

Should be possible but… eye sight should do the trick 😁 can also backpedal a bit to make sure

[brave cliff]

Totally agree with you but this was in conjunction with what symbobot above was asking… just to understand and know if you are getting slapped from behind while you learn the big pulls…

[lunar scarab]

Finally got enough haste to switch to Into the Fray and my god it makes prot so smooth and so much better feeling

[tribal wharf]

what is your character want to see what your gear is like if you dont mind

for my own personal research

[violet ginkgo]

guys question the severed strand buff, why the anub at start no longer give question mark? are we supposed to collect certain amount first before it popped again? my first two was fine.

[tawny mulch]

Has anyone tried colossus on higher keys?

[mint shadow]

can anyone recommend a good addon to auto mark targets? like for communicating interrupts? i assume something that like exists and its not too resource heavy?

[lunar scarab]

https://wago.io/1ctv3b91K

[mint shadow]

ty

[solar spear]

just overtimed a 12 stonevault by 12s thats one death aaaaah

its such an unforgiving dungeon

[inner oracle]

Hmm for that I think best is to check your logs, so that you can identify where you can improve. For that purpose I also like to run the same key again and again, until every pull and danger related to them are fully memorized

[regal yarrow]

try to figure out a way to pull bigger. There's a lot of massive pulls you can do in there without even worrying about dying

[solar spear]

nah there were 13 deaths from people just not using defensives or not being healed enough i think. There were 3 deaths on pull 17 because there werent enough interrupts to pull the packs together, im thinking i will do them seperately next time

[regal yarrow]

Oh I thought you meant there was 1 death

[solar spear]

ah no that would have been nice XD. cant post my route i meant this pack

with pugs so cant coordinate it enough i think

[regal yarrow]

I normally pull the ones on the path to the boss back to the other 3, so my group is forced to LOS

[solar spear]

ah that might make more sense ye

[round pendant]

wtf? I didn't know you can get mounts from timewarped chests

[solar spear]

gratz

[torpid dome]

ayo ^^ time to start timing 11's

[inner oracle]

Gratz 💪 you will be fine in 11s it’s not much different from 10s 👍

[sweet summit]

[fiery gale]

How? Doesn’t it just add even more haste

[violet ginkgo]

yes more haste is what we want

faster gcd which mean you get to cast more and shield block cd reduction

[fiery gale]

Oh didn’t realise it also affects gcd, right

Perma BL feeling now?

You must be at like 50% haste often with some stacks etc

[fiery gale]

Though I bet a sim would tell to go off haste

If you’re stacking big

[clear rune]

yo im trying to do more dps in raids, what are good dps trinkets?

[shrewd grove]

Hard to find info on em idk

[wet bone]

Google is hard

[copper grail]

How much haste is enough haste for into the fray do you think?

Also, if I want to play around with bsv, what do I drop for it? I remember someone saying that usually you take bsv and bolster if you're going to take it?

[obsidian frost]

Whats the deal with this build that archon is showing as the top one? Is it mainly just for higher keys? I've just been running the wowhead M+ one

[copper grail]

That actually answers my question inadvertently lol

[tribal wharf]

this is what im doing

anything i dont pick i feel is too minimal and situational of a dps increase, or the other talents in that tier outscale it massively

int shout is in league of its own for CC cuz its new cc type for us and aoe

super invaluable on trash

[copper grail]

That archon build is actually the least popular one on there but it has the highest recorded key based on what I see. Maybe that's why it's so weird looking

[obsidian frost]

Guess i shoul dlearn to read

It was the main one up so i assumed it was the most popular not highest key

[copper grail]

That does stand to reason though lol

No ravager on that build either

[pallid quiver]

It's also debatable as to whether they even need the talents they'te grabbing; double wall's the biggest offender

[obsidian frost]

Yeah no ravager seems bad to me but Im new to warrior

[pallid quiver]

Ravager is good, but you have to sacrifice either it or SC+Bulwark if you want BSC

Trading any of the center talents is suicide

[tribal wharf]

ravager is very strong for alot of reasons i cant really list in just 1 short sentence

[obsidian frost]

Just the rage gen alone has saved me

[pallid quiver]

You lose out on a lot of burst survival at the start of a pull, but it keys that high, you generally have a healer dedicated to babysitting you at the start, and your DPS properly waiting

Giving up SC costs you a stop, which can actually mean a bit

So neither feels good, but you have to lose one to get BSV

Int Shout is a niche pick since its target capped, meaning it won't always stop what you want it to, and a lot of mobs will just instantly recast as soon as the fear breaks, so that's why only some people grab that point

[vital pollen]

Feels like I'm getting clapped in M+ even in like +7s on modest pulls. 100% shield block uptime, pretty much everything debuffed with TC at all times, using CDs when necessary and dumping most of my rage into IP. Maybe a healer issue, but is there any other general mitigation I need to be constantly thinking about? I'm at a bit of a loss.

[pallid quiver]

You should be able to solo most things in a +7

So it's not really a healer issue unless you're severely undergeared

[vital pollen]

Nah 610 ilevel

I'll dig int osome logs then, maybe I have some shield block gaps somehow

[pallid quiver]

You shouldn't have any problems as long as you're actually using CDs before you get hit with the bad times

You also could be getting clipped in the back, which means that SB is doing nothing

[vital pollen]

Hm good point, what with mob positioning

[pallid quiver]

There's not any way to say what's going on specifically without a log, so we can only say the usual causes

[obsidian frost]

Double wall not worth?

[tribal wharf]

this quest seemed bugged when i tried it yesterday

( i need the Vstones for upgrade)

[carmine solstice]

Legit did this yesterday with a friends key. I had a 12 DB and we were suppose to bring his 5 up.
The pug tank did not like it.

[obsidian frost]

#deletevalorstones

[carmine solstice]

Quest works fine, you stand in a pool and build stacks to see te 3 elite mobs

[vital pollen]

Yeah for sure, I was just st arting with the high level stuff since I'm new to prot warrior. Tons of 10+ experience in keys and digging through logs though, so I'll do that next, thx.

[tribal wharf]

nvm im just dum

i was looking at buffs

not debuffs

[fickle tundra]

yo can prot warr somehow clear multiple tentacles in last boss grim batol?

[sweet summit]

ya

spell reflect is 5 sec immunity

[fickle tundra]

is it different to fury/arms?

[sweet summit]

should be the same spell just different cooldown

but idk i don't play stinker dps specs

[idle vine]

once i hit fill 619 is there any prio to how i spend guilded crests? im using crafted wep/shield, doe sit make sense to start there and upgrade?

[sweet summit]

weapon/shield>trinkets>rings>tier>rest i think

[idle vine]

rings over tier!?

[sweet summit]

idk big fuck haste fun

[idle vine]

haha fp

i figured id should blast primary slots (chest/legs/head) to max str gain

after wep/sheild

[carmine solstice]

Same. Can also clear with bladestorm, or just don't step into them

[pallid quiver]

Double Wall over time is both less rage and less Shield Walls. You get more mitigation from the increased CD reduction from Imp Wall. You only ever remotely consider double wall if you specifically need two back to back walls in order to live.

Since most things that threaten you right now are also spellblockable, that's not a likely scenario

I have yet to see a log where double wall was really utilized well, but I also haven't looked higher than a +15

[obsidian frost]

Sweet ty for the info

[tribal wharf]

you can get up here with leap in DB doubt it has real use

[crude flame]

Hello guys, came here to ask a question, I'm having trouble with my warr tank (614 at the moment) in AoE aggro, the main cause is because I don't have Ravager Talent (instead I'm using Battle-Scarred Veteran), what can I do to aggro in group better? For example, now I was doing stonevault +8, some bigdick dps came (we did two chest with like 5-10 deaths, no full wipes tho) and there was this enhacement shaman who would most pulls aggro 1-2 mobs and I would run crazy taunting and challenging shout but things have a cd and I have also to manage position, build aggro to ignore paint so I don't get deleted, etc, etc.
Felt bad because the Enh shaman wasn't doing anything wrong but died a lot due to aggro issues, which were my fault. Happened me a bit in other m+ too. I feel like I could use Revenge to grab better aoe aggro, but at the pull is the most crucial moment to derive all the rage I'm generating towards Ignore pain, and thunderclap by itself is not enough.

Sorry for the wall of text!

[cyan bronze]

Big

[mighty valley]

It’s a little hard to see without logs or video if this is your fault or dps’ fault — ravager would help a little since you can cast it before charging in, and you really shouldn’t get use out of bsv in an 8, but so long as the dps isn’t bursting insanely in the first couple gcds, your offensive cds plus your first couple thunder blasts should really lock the pack in

[deft mortar]

Pump thunderblast go brrrr

Never had an aggro issue and I use BSV over Ravager

Ravager ain't gonna do stop aggro ripping

Also your dps are probably room temp iq with it

[violet ginkgo]

Easiest way just pick ravager instead of BSV. don't be allergic to ravager.

[crude flame]

don't have logs because it was a m+, or better said, I don't know why when I upload my logs it doesn't update m+, only raids 😦

I do use Thunderclap on cd, the first thing I cast when pulling a group is thunderclap

[proven plume]

Ive heard Enc shaman has a real issue stealing threat

[crude flame]

I think he was bursting hard

[cyan bronze]

Enh’s love to save tempest from last pack to immediately tempest prio mob and then die

[fickle tundra]

Apparently you can delete tentacles for all the duration of the SR buff.
Its not consistant with tooltip, its blizz jank. But it works.

[mighty valley]

one thing that can help is making sure everyone’s on the same page on the prio target, since there’s no way in hell anyone’s pulling off shield charge/your first shield slam. if the dps are all split between different targets you’re gonna fall into panic taunting mode more easily

at higher key levels people generally know the prio target but you can always mark

[crude flame]

yeah, that may be

but I think he was prioing casters

and I was prioing high hp targets

[carmine solstice]

Correct.

[frozen basin]

Any ideas for macro-ing shield block and ignore pain onto other spells? Im getting carpel tunnel from hard spamming them all the time xd

[urban bane]

Nope. prot warrior is just high apm like that

If you're getting carpal tunnel probably not using your keyboard in a way that is secure for your wrist

been playing prot warrior for years and no repetitive strain injury, carpal tunnel, etc.

[frozen basin]

That was hyperbole, I just dont enjoy spamming and having to also pay attention to that all the time

I think maybe marcroing ignore pain with shield slam and macroing shield block to nearly everything xD?

[urban bane]

Your performance will suffer pretty significantly

You can create an ignore pain macro which also casts shield slam. It is discussed in pins I believe. But its use is not what you think.

[mighty valley]

You don’t really have to pay attention to them other than press IP if your rage is high and press sb like… basically whenever, pretty hard to overcap duration

Just make sure the IP bind is in a comfortable spot

[frozen basin]

Ye im thinking shield block shouldnt be that bad to basically just cast whenever i can

[vagrant pivot]

Got this out of the tw cache, is the proc effect any good? 🤔

[frozen basin]

I think it will improve a lot, when it opens me up to be able to pay attention to interrupts, boss positioning, mechanics etc.

[urban bane]

You do you I guess! You'll probably lose effective block uptime from casting it on cooldown without thinking about it.

[frozen basin]

Im used to being a paper dh in 11s, i can probably live it 😄

[upbeat lake]

Anyone has been able to queue for +12s keys as prot? Idk what people expect but i can't even get accepted into any group unless i do my own key

[mighty valley]

you still don't want to auto-cast it on other things, can easily run yourself out of rage

[remote anchor]

no prot warrior got ever invited to a 12

very sad

[upbeat lake]

2700+ io, 628 ilvl, every dungeon on timed +11, idk what else i can do tbh

[tribal wharf]

i would be really tempted to see it at 639 vs other weaponss

since it gives rage

[mighty valley]

Your own key

[upbeat lake]

yeah thats already what im doing

it just sucks you go from trying a +12, fail, try a +11, fail half the time, then go down to +10 to get a timed run finally

[mighty valley]

yeah, people are gonna be metabrained, it's sad

[smoky anvil]

I’ve found it’s hard to get into 12s without having a timed 12 in your history

At this point in the season

Best advice? Make friends

[dry egret]

Does no stranger to pain put IPs max at 50% of max HP, or does it increase it by 20% from 30% of max (so to 36%)

(no max level warrior I could test it on)

[upbeat lake]

pretty much the only way to keep progressing at that key level because pugs become ridiculously picky

[inner wren]

you will not be able to get invites to 12s until you have timed your own 12s

[upbeat lake]

pretty dumb stuff ngl but ig people are just picky

[inner wren]

pain to raise a key up to 12 and get it bricked by someone whos never done a 12

[upbeat lake]

i mean thats what happens to me but its just part of the game

i'm not gonna spend 15 minutes waiting around for the top meta dps and healers to queue for my key

[vital pollen]

@pallid quiver Was asking earlier about mitigation. I was looking over logs, and I'd accidentally toggled battle stance for the entire dungeon ><

[pallid quiver]

I haven't set foot inside of def stance in keys at all this season except to mitigate telegraphed tank busters like dawnbreaker 1st boss beam or the bleeds at the start of SoB

I also haven't even swung above a 10, though; I cba to even run a key for like the past 4 weeks

[urban portal]

It’s ok, playing battle is like playing 1 key level higher

[proud dock]

when are pallys gonna get nerfed? trying to figure out iof its worth making one now

people asying pally buffs are short lived

[limpid pilot]

pallys are the main character

[tacit fulcrum]

Sorry i'll write in french i need a french prot war 😄

Salut les bois
J'ai besoin d'un coup de main pour du DPS en tant que war tank
Je parse gris ca me clc
Jpense y'a un truc je fais pas bien sur ma rota.
Si l'un de vous est dispo pour un ptit vocal / par ecris
Genre la, kyveza mythique je sim à 650K et je tape du 400K max ca degoute
Cimer la team

[simple drum]

At ilvl 621, can we do 7’s and 8’s pretty effortlessly?

[tacit fulcrum]

Yup you can. Be careful with certain mechanic but yes

[tardy abyss]

Can do 12s with that ilvl easily

Unless your shield is griefing your ilvl

[strong forum]

120k absorb per press instead of 100k the cap does not change

[dry egret]

ty

[edgy viper]

How is prot warrior doing these days? I am debating a Prot Paladin vs a prot Warrior as my next toon to build up

[tardy abyss]

Prot is doing fine

If youre really good at ppal you will probably have an easier time with it

[lunar scarab]

There are parts of this which rely on the DPS. I main fury and tank a lot on the side and if I throw myself in before the tank establishes aggro I die right away. You'll see the good fury warriors wait a few tank GCDs before jumping in and engaging. Any dps class that has instant burst like that needs to learn to wait.

One other thing that can help is your weapons. 636 weapon helps threat

[dark hemlock]

how much haste is enough haste?

[strong forum]

All of it

[edgy viper]

I used to be good at both, but i haven't touched either since DF.

My issue is that i was never good at warrior DPS but my guild wouldn't let me raid tank and i got forced fury for anything other than M+

[crude flame]

best I can do is 619 weapon, in fact I'm having hard time gearing myself because I need the crests from 4-6 m+ to improve most of my gear but I'm doing m+8 which gives me crests that can improve the gear they drop (they improve 5/8 hero tier, drop 1/8 hero tier) sooo...I think it's gonna be long

and since it's an alter, I don't play it so much that I can just farm 90 crests and use them to craft me a big tank weapon, which would be cool...but just don't have the time

[lunar scarab]

totally understand the lack of time! Best you can do is explain pre dungeon for dps to give you a sec to get aggro. then use your offensive CDs to help.

I usually charge - clap - shield block - slam - charge - avatar - clap - shield wall. Tossing in IP and more claps aftet that.

You could also use your mobility to get ahead of the threat pullers and make give yourself more time to get threat. Hard part about using revenge for threat is that you need to make sure that rage is not overlapping with keeping shield block and IP up

[severe wigeon]

does aanybody have a talent setup for colossus M+

[shrewd grove]

You almost DEFINITELY want to be running Mountain Thane for M+, unless you understand the class well enough to start building your own talent trees, imo

[narrow canyon]

Could you explain what makes colossus so bad for m+ in comparison?

[shrewd grove]

You do like 25% more damage but you lose 70% of your tankiness

[narrow canyon]

Damn, I did wonder why there wa

was such a gulf in m+ logs between the two

[shrewd grove]

MT is goated af for M+

[narrow canyon]

Yeah, just not the biggest fan of the lightning stuff

me want smash

[shrewd grove]

They're both perfectly viable, you'll just be in dstance the whole time as Colossus

But people have timed 12s and up on Colossus just fine

Just putting a little more pressure on your healer

[deft mortar]

Does it also increase BV

[proud dock]

is there any tech for EDNA in high keys?

[deft mortar]

E.g. 1M dmg gives 100k shield, does it give 120k shield instead?

[deft mortar]

EDNA no problem for us, no?

[proud dock]

just wondering if theres anything i can do to help dps/healers live

[deft mortar]

Oh idk them

[violet ginkgo]

Rallying Cry

[narrow jay]

Hey guys i got 40 of mthose Heroic keys for BRD and now can buy an item. Is anything super good from there that i should buy?

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think so.

[jagged gust]

there's a high crit haste ring I think

not bad

[narrow jay]

So none of the trinkets are any good eh?

[violet ginkgo]

Well I mean in BRD it's not like anything supergood but you can always try to buy the haste crit piece you missed. It's heroic too so if you are into mythic raiding or constantly getting Myth track vault from M+ you gonna replace it eventually

it's a good stepping stone though

[cyan bronze]

yea

[keen pelican]

At 609 ilvl, is there a like upper limit to keys I should be tanking atm?

[fast oracle]

any opinions on bloodsurge vs instigate for raid tanking?

[old basin]

ive seen some people with a weak aura that announces mechanics

like dodge

stack

etc

do you guys know the name ?

nvm found it

its this, if anyone else wants it

https://wago.io/6CDe7U7t6

[drifting juniper]

guys

can mist last boss adds be aggroed

altough they are fixated

[old basin]

the ones that are fixed cant

you need to stack and aoe them

[violet ginkgo]

Instigate better for single target fight. Bloodsurge more into aoe, because the more target got bleed more chance to get rage

[violet ginkgo]

Basically up to dps to bring it together to tank and aoe it?

[old basin]

yeah, as soon as those ads spawns just tell everyone to stack up and the ads will all come together

if people start running away with the ads it gets messy

because you cannot aggro them

[fast oracle]

intervene really comes in handy on that fight

[violet ginkgo]

well at least I am glad that is not more tank responsibility if DPS f'ed it up they can't blame tank

[knotty light]

is there something that plays a different sound for physical and magical tankbusters

or do i need to set everything in bigwigs manually

[urban portal]

rule of thumb is that every tankbuster is physical with some sort of magical dot after

[violet ginkgo]

Just memorize if it is boss fight. They don’t do much tankbusters.

Usually 1 boss got only 1 tankbuster just memorize the name and use sense’s document

[urban portal]

honestly, if dbm/wigwigs says its a tank buster

you cant go wrong pressing IP+SR

[simple drum]

Any reason why Sacbrood is a dps decrease for me? I thought the trinket was supposed to be good but Transmitter/Candlestick is beating it:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aoEDKXi6Ey8a9xi9Ygbzbm

[formal grail]

warrior has way too many buttons so i would like to know am i right about the skills on the left are they useless or not?

[simple drum]

Execute and Impending Victory are 100% mandatory

Others are meh/not needed

[formal grail]

ok sempai thx a lot

[south zealot]

ok thats an INSANE over exaggeration lmao

[south zealot]

colossus is squishier bc you are generating less rage. less rage is less shield walls ontop of lot of other things. its definitely playable and it wont be the reason you cant time weekly keys for example

[south zealot]

slam rend and hamstring are useless but execute and impending victory are good

[formal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schw-arnold-schwarzenneger-gif-20113405

i will key bind those it's just i was following conro rotation

and they nevver seem to pop up

[knotty light]

ip is always up, just wanted an audio cue for magical so i need spell reflect/spell block

[tribal wharf]

execute what you hit above anything else to spend rage when dont need defense

does big dmg

[jaunty wyvern]

Are there any prot warriors that make videos explaining how they handle m+ pulls and such?

[formal grail]

on twitch

YoDaTV

[jaunty wyvern]

Okay thank you, does he have vods available?

[formal grail]

he is ranked 6 on murlok in eu

he is live now

doing mythic

[jaunty wyvern]

Ah cool thanks you

[formal grail]

actually nvm now he is playing druid

[jaunty wyvern]

Lol all good aha

[formal grail]

https://youtu.be/TYPvfxvz2YA?si=Zt_kjJB4yFP0lX3c https://youtu.be/NwMmj-GmFt8?si=WLnKKFqAIUSn5Md8

[jaunty wyvern]

Thank you , currently watch a vid of his from a month ago aha

[cerulean ibex]

Can someone tell me at what haste breakpoint its worth to switch from Heavy Repercussions to Into the Fray in m+?

[formal grail]

haste is 30% i think

[obtuse tartan]

I've main gear as fury (so everything crafted 636 is haste mastery, plus some raid myth gear) but for M+ I play only prot (+11, +12).
Is it better to change all the 636-639 to hc gear 626 with haste versa or the ilvl wins?

[jagged pier]

No its fine

[violet ginkgo]

ilvl wins always

[timber nest]

thoughts on roar vs spear in m+? m+ thane build on here has spear but i feel like roar just out performs in m+

[inner oracle]

Love the spear, I prefer the talent tree pathing and the pinned down component is something I often play with

[timber nest]

does anyone know the value of uproar vs. 1 pointr in Armed to the teeth?

[tribal wharf]

every day i am more right on this topic

[karmic plinth]

normally attt 2/2 outsims uproar but check for urself

[timber nest]

ya, i simmed it in dungeon slice and uproar sims like 40k higher, but for pure ST attt sims higher

[karmic plinth]

dslice isnt super reliable to sim with

[waxen frigate]

Do not use dungeon slice

It is not supported for any tank spec

[jagged pier]

But nish its hard to read that exact thing when it says it when u sim

[waxen frigate]

[sharp gale]

Well we are used to ignore the first warning when you do a regular patchwerk, another yellow thing on top of it is easily ignored

[timber nest]

ok

[karmic plinth]

if u wanna sim aoe do something like 5 target patchwerk 1m30 no bloodlust or some variation of that

[timber nest]

ok

[sharp gale]

That’s what I do, I patchwerk 1 target 2 min and 5 target 1 m 30, no bloodlust in both

[timber nest]

i just really cant see how spear does more in the long run vs roar in m+. maybe im old fashioned. I didnt follow any of the talent tree changes in TWW

[karmic plinth]

Champion's Might + Thunder Blast / Shield Charge can do a lot of burst

[sharp gale]

Roar is not a cheap talent to take

[karmic plinth]

if you want to play roar instead of spear its an option u will just lose out on better burst potential

its not an insta pick compared to df because of how much less strong thunderous words is compared to before

[timber nest]

is the fear of getting more rage than you can spend not a factor for this?

or is that just a DPS pick?

[sharp gale]

you don't care about the rage gene of that talent

[timber nest]

i see

[sharp gale]

read how much spear gives you

and multiply it by 2

it's a talent you "might drop" if you really want something else

[timber nest]

ive only had the chance to run the dungeons a few times each, spell block loses value in which? is there a cheat sheet

[sharp gale]

i will do a sim just to show you

1m30, no bloodlust

[tribal wharf]

those talents look cursed to me

oh, hmm...

[sharp gale]

1m30 which means he can roar 2 times if the sim take the 45 sec talent

like taking the stamina talent over 1 point in crit, is less of a dps loss then going 45sec roar in a fight length with 2 roars

in single target 2 min fight

[timber nest]

oh ok

ty for the info! 🙂

[inner oracle]

You got value in every dung but maybe Boralus is the one with the less value for spell block. You got a spreadsheet in pins for block/spell block/reflect.

[violet ginkgo]

the 3rd boss still nice for spellblock when he drop the 3 puddle.

[slim orbit]

Yo has anyone here got any decent Intervene weakauras? Not just announcing it.

[ashen owl]

Quick question: in arakara on the first boss, how close can i tank the boss to rhe spiders for cleave? So she does not get the dmg amp

[strong forum]

Pretty close

Not close enough that the mobs can touch the boss, but almost that distance

[ashen owl]

Is actual contact the trigger?

Or more precisely said, hitbox contact?

[violet ginkgo]

do we need to tank it close or just tank it more separated and let dps deal with it?

[tribal wharf]

i dont like ara kara as a key

for so many reasons

one, well, 2 of them being, both the sac,

[violet ginkgo]

but you like the sacbrood drama?

[tribal wharf]

m0 week sac video

we seen it already

i aint post it again

[strong forum]

ideally you tank it close

[tribal wharf]

and then keys come out and i rand it on a um +4 i think? and i I SHIT U NOT, as soon as it dropped OKAY GUYS LETS ROLL FOR IT

[strong forum]

so dps can cleave/dont have to run around like monkeys and lose uptime

[tribal wharf]

THE ENTIRE PARTY ROLLED FOR IT BEFORE I COULD EVEN TYPE lol

i didnt get this on footages but holy shit, that with some of the mechanics, holy god do i ever not want to run that again

[violet ginkgo]

run it for the +7 so the drop is heroic version

[tribal wharf]

i think that should be it though in a keystone

once you complete it, you roll for it like raid

extra spicy dramatic finish, or nothin burger

[carmine solstice]

I’m sure it’s some type of desync or ability queue window, but I’ve legit seen the adds touch the boss model legs and not get eaten 😀

[carmine solstice]

If nobody has answered you, whatever you’re comfortable with.

609 you could probably do a 10 with a proper group and really good play

[ashen owl]

i'm trying to tank a 12 arakara but it's a shitshow always. I do make mistakes sometimes, other times ppl eating frontals or comitting to 1st boss with 40% hp and no cds... and the last corridors are ass to get out of the white circles.. people run out at the last second and I can't intervene out when leap/avatar are on cd

[toxic jungle]

anyone have any advice for COT higher keys from the venomblade mobs? I'm having an extremely hard time tanking it post +12 keys. 2800 player but even lower keys that shit just nonstop chunks me and can generate rage easily on those mobs cuse they just cast. No idea what to do

A 3 pull in the beginning feels harder than any other pull in any dungeon for some reason unless im missing something

[sweet summit]

have a poison dispell in your group 👍

[inner oracle]

Yeah the nature hit + dot trucks, dwarf racial and reflect DR / spell block can help but need at least 1 poison dispel in group for sure

Can also take bitter immunity as backup

[fallow hinge]

I might be missing something with the opener, but how are you supposed to get 3 stacks of might for demolish?

[mighty valley]

Carried over from previous pack I guess

[remote anchor]

this is still a priority list im pretty sure

[unique mauve]

What ilv do you guys think I need to run +10?

[jagged pier]

whatever your comfortable with

[unique mauve]

I'm 610 atm with io of about 2100 with a mix of 8-6 keys timed but worried about just getting trucked in a +10

[remote anchor]

try it

worst case you deplete

[unique mauve]

true, it's my key so f it

[wise lance]

is there any wa/addon saying "frontal" and "defensive" with frontals and tank busters?

[cyan bronze]

you can always spend rage tho

[wicked pollen]

nah

i want the game to be played for me

[copper grail]

Would timewalking dungeons be so braindead easyu that they wouldn't be useful learning for the rotation and such? I went through a few delves and got the immortal spelunker achievement and such as part of figuring out the spec but the jump to actually doing M+ or something is spooky

[wicked pollen]

i think you would gain more from hitting the dummy to learn rotation than tw

[copper grail]

Roger that

[gaunt spire]

For what you are describing I think TW dungeons would be perfect. Braindead but you get used to the setting. Then do heroics and afterwards m+

The step from dungeon finder to +2/3 is not big. Only adding the % count which is quite easy.

Edit: To take the edge of the m+ dungeon anxiety

[copper grail]

Yeah that's the thing mainly. To learn to not be panicky about tbe button presses and such lol

[wooden widget]

Reaper can be spell reflected?

Does that mean you can dip low, reflect, get healed back up and live?

[gaunt spire]

Fail early 😉
Go in and see. You will survive more then you think. And then just add a layer at a time. Focus on aggro. Smack up shield block etc. Its perfectly fine to wipe erc. If you go like that you will be comfy in 3-4 runs

Take it casual and enhoy it. Puggers will always flame if they are in that mood. But usually those are the ones not kicking/standing in bad etc.

The good players are helpful and nice majority of the time

[jagged gust]

Low dungeons you can get away with a lot of mistakes/wipes etc.

As long as you learn from your misstakes

[copper grail]

Thanks very much for the encouragement. I've found I'm literally unkillable in timewalking lol but definitely a worthwhile learning experience already as far as moving things along from pack to pack, getting aggro, etc.

Speaking of which, mainly we just clap around for aggro? clap and ravager?

[tepid reef]

What second trinket for m+? all heroic

[strong forum]

Mark

[unique mauve]

why mark?

I would've thought the hast from sacbrood made it better?

haste

[sturdy fog]

Sac should be a given… mix it with mark.

Or can do Sac/Swarmlord

[strong forum]

i thought youre gonna do sac + X

so you run sac + mark

[unique mauve]

ah sorry I think me misunderstanding his question, makes sense if taking sac

[spark mortar]

Is Concotion: Kiss of Death worth anything in the current Prot Meta?

[strong forum]

2.5min cd trinket is pretty shit

[spark mortar]

Yeah - I'm not really a fan myself of things like that.

[jagged gust]

Also eating a stun randomly is likely to get your HP bar deleted

[cyan bronze]

doesn’t the cd start when you end trinket

so it’s closer to 3min

every other cd set ig but doubt it sims good

[strong forum]

no clue about that

but for a tank thats horrendous

having a trinket thats afk for 3min

[cyan bronze]

ye

[strong forum]

youre not a boomkin, you want more consistency

[cyan bronze]

wonder if it’s enough burst to sim well tho

doubt

[strong forum]

bloodmallet

[cyan bronze]

think i saw yoda using it

[jagged gust]

can run a 40 second sim to find out

yoda makes choices

thats for sure

[strong forum]

ye it probably sims REALLY well on 10t 40sec with lust

[cyan bronze]

True I didn’t think about it

That’s a unique perspective

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[shrewd grove]

Is Queen's Mandate worth in M+ or better off going with Mark?

[strong forum]

mark

mandate only for raid

[shrewd grove]

I figured. Just hard to give up the glory of NUKING something that hard

Needed someone else to tell me to

[strong forum]

eeeeh

it only crits for like 7mil at best

as dps it does like 12-14mil

[violet ginkgo]

Mark vs Transmitter for M+ nome what you think?

[strong forum]

so it feels bad xd

[severe wigeon]

does aanybody have a talent setup for colossus M+

[strong forum]

transmitter is better if theyre equal ilvl

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAVVRRFUgEVKSUUBQNVUVEVERFVZVUQDRRAEFVVUBA

[cyan bronze]

do you find transmitter to feel bad in keys nom

I’ve not ran it on prot yet

[strong forum]

not as tank

as dps yes, as tank its turbo chill

[cyan bronze]

prob gonna use mark+transmitter

like you suggested a while ago

mark on mini set, ya?

[strong forum]

i just yolod them

sometimes delay by 45

somtimes back to back

[cyan bronze]

fair

[strong forum]

you got lots of freedom with double on use