protection

[strong forum]

its spellblockable

blizz is learning

[pallid quiver]

I still find it funny that the initial hit on kyveza can't be blocked, but the dot can

Real dartboard hours on how they decide

[lofty warren]

And no bleeds can be blocked unless you dwarf dispel?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, bleeds are phys

And are specifically designed to go past armor and block

The intended counter is to provide a higher healing check, which is intended to stress the tank's healing capabilities

[strong forum]

dot is dot

doesnt matter if phys or shadow or nature

[lofty warren]

But you can sometimes spell block a shadow dot?

[strong forum]

correct

extremely

specific cases

you shouldnt expect to block a dot

you can block EVERTHING ELSE

but dots

[pallid quiver]

It's all dependant on what blizz says goes

[strong forum]

UNLESS specifically stated

that its unblockable

[pallid quiver]

What Nome's saying is the best rule-of-thumb to live by, but you should always experiment and double check on logs

[strong forum]

thats why i run a combat text addon

to tell me what school of dmg i took

and if i could block it or not

[pallid quiver]

I ain't remembering that for shit mid-gameplay, so I just use logs for after

[strong forum]

so i learn that insta

[pallid quiver]

it'll serve me the same purpose with the effort I put in for the game, so I can use brain power on something like thinking about fight game instead

Absolutely a good idea to run combat text addons if you have a desire to learn and have instant feedback, though

[lofty warren]

Wonder if there is a weak aura like the spell reflect one but it also shows if it is blockable/mitigatable with reflect

[strong forum]

only if you manually edit it

[lofty warren]

That way I don't need to memorize, just look at wa

[strong forum]

to update what is reflectable and whatnot

[lofty warren]

Eww

[strong forum]

: )

everyone wants the product

but not put in the work to make the product

[pallid quiver]

i want the means to make the product burned to the ground to further the decline of growth and happiness

[strong forum]

i just use experience and instant feedback instead

[pallid quiver]

i just press the button if something happen

if it don't work, i find out pretty fast

[lofty warren]

Want api to pull config and auto create/update wa

[strong forum]

might aswell also auto use defensives

and while youre at it also use rotation automatically

at which point why even play

[lofty warren]

Yes pls

Ohh I just want to do big pull and damage don't care about defensives or interrupt

[strong forum]

play dps

or become so good, that using defensives and interrupts become second nature

years of pvp taught me that

[wicked pollen]

yarp

tanking has forced me to use defensives aggressively

[strong forum]

if=enemy.cast,kick

[wicked pollen]

nope

[strong forum]

yarp

first reaction to every yellow cast bar

insta kick

[pallid quiver]

can't get kick juked if you just simply kick before they juke

[strong forum]

this

[wicked pollen]

real

[thick hinge]

this is my whole defensive rotation.

[lone wren]

does this proc enough ?

[ivory barn]

Is there a mastery break point for prot? I occasionally play prot but I'm mainspect fury and I wondered if it was even worth it to go get a haste crit set for prot

[tardy abyss]

Breakpoints do not really exist in the game

You will prob do yourself a favor by getting haste/crit gear but unless youre pushing high keys it shouldnt matter

[ivory barn]

10's?

[tardy abyss]

10s are not high no

So youre fine

[autumn fiber]

yeah, wondering same thing, if it's worth taking over an equal ilvl shield with secondaries. on the tanking dummy i didnt see it proc much

[jaunty wyvern]

Hey guys is there somewhere I can find a general rule of thumb on what ilvl is generally acceptable in each mythic plus tier? As well as heroic/normal palace.

Not wanting to get 1 shot and ruin it for everyone else lmao (new to tanking )

[edgy bone]

Is there a way to get ravager

[wicked pollen]

yeah

drop bsv

[edgy bone]

can i have both

[wicked pollen]

drop both shield charge

[edgy bone]

no i like shield charge

and the buff from it that gives me shield block

[spiral crypt]

(Item level / 3) - 195 for m+ works good

[ivory barn]

I guess my follow up question would be does a crit set help not take damage?

cause now it says haste/vers is better than haste/crit

[jaunty wyvern]

Oh that's cool! Thank you

[hexed socket]

Guys dumb question, who to know if a dmg is magic or physical?

[wicked pollen]

the only way uou can have bsv and ravager is dropping sc

[ivory barn]

here is why I wondered

[buoyant lintel]

guess i suppose. see if reflect reduces it

[rocky basin]

I have been using a macro that always casts Shield Block before Shield Slam but now that I am doing higher keys I'm trying to get more refined in my damage mitigation. Did/Does anyone else use a macro like this? Do you always try to cast shield block to boost the damage of shield slam even if you aren't taking a lot of physical damage or if you already have other mitigation up?

[turbid shuttle]

I think there are some fundamental misunderstandings coming through in this comment. it's true that having sb up buffs your ss damage, but you don't press sb before ss to buff the damage. you keep sb up at all times. you also should not use a macro like that because it will sometimes cause you to spend rage on sb when you don't necessarily want to (e.g. near end of pull so you don't walk out of the pull with 15s on your sb for no reason)

[mighty valley]

You should shoot for having shield block up at all times but macro-ing it into other abilities isn't the way

[rocky basin]

Understood. That makes perfect sense, I got rid of the macro yesterday and added both to my bars separately. So there are times where I'm not taking much damage (at the end of a pull) or I have other mitigations up so I'm trying to keep shield block for the beginning of pulls (I'm focused on M+ here) and throughout the major damage portions of them. Or do you make sure as soon as SB is available you basically pop it?

[turbid shuttle]

you don't necessarily pop it on cooldown, but it the buff should be up 100% of the time you're in combat

[rocky basin]

The main reason I'm asking is I have noticed I have been overlapping my damage mitigations too much without needing to.

[turbid shuttle]

like if your sb has 7 seconds and you're on 70 rage. you have another sb charge. you could sb again to bring it up to 15s, or you could IP to give yourself some healing. probably the IP is better.

don't think of sb + something as "overlapping". sb is just baseline.

[mighty valley]

Something’s going wrong if you’re having to pick and choose when to put up shield block, you should just be able to keep it up at all times

[turbid shuttle]

demo, spell block, shield wall you likely want to avoid overlapping most of the time, but sb is just kinda there

[rocky basin]

Ok that makes sense

[rocky basin]

That helps me understand how to prioritize better

[agile aurora]

is 592 ilvl enough for +10's

if ur pressing your buttons

[lone wren]

does my warior is lucky in rolls, all this in one hc and one normal raid run (+ 1 tw and 3 boa items)

he leveled on monday to 80

[vestal dune]

Hey guys, how BLOCK is working on bosses for example 1st boss on Stonevault and his tankbuster?

[proud dock]

can you spel reflect the posion thing on last boss of ara?

as to deny the debuff?

[timid wigeon]

hi, anyone know the uptime of weapon enchant stormrider's fury ? I am pondering between the haste vs strength enchant for weapon

[wicked pollen]

sim it

[lilac bloom]

question.. for heroic queen ansurek with the caustic skitters how to handle the stacks other then using shield block and ignore pain.. can you sr or use spell block?

[wicked pollen]

the rest i cannot help because i havent tanked the raid

[shut summit]

its just a stacking damage amp that only last for 3secs

[boreal herald]

Heroic sac/myth skarm or heroic sac/heroic swarmlords?

[lilac bloom]

yah .. the stacks hurt and just horrible

if left too long i end up dying from it

ppl think i have my back to the skitter adds thats why i die and ask how i die from that

but if dps are cleaving fast .. i would be fine if not yah big problem

[boreal herald]

For keys* of course.

[lilac bloom]

and its always during the yank while tanking skitters i end up dying

[spark mortar]

Is there any ability that folks are macroing to the cast of the Queens Mandate?

[boreal herald]

Any big keyers know?

[verbal viper]

what are the best few horde races for prot warrior? currently a tauren want to try out a different race. dracthyr any good? considering all races besides cows

i know any of the dwarven races are good but i'm not alliance heh

[violet ginkgo]

You care about aesthetic only or we talk racials?

[verbal viper]

i'd say 80% aesthetics of armor sets on them, 20% racial

[snow mist]

any have a cd plan for M princess?

[pallid quiver]

If aesthetics are a concern, Tauren males specifically are heavily restricted in terms of mog, especially chest pieces, speaking as lifelong cow

Chests end up very stretched and usually don't look good, so you usually have to sub in a tabard to make them look better. Your Helm, Shoulders, and gloves are like 95% of your mog, and boots almost entirely don't exist except for the rare hoof guard shoes

[violet ginkgo]

Your choices is between both orc or both tauren, and Luerce already said the tauren parts.

[pale oracle]

Just did my first +11 grim batol, that double overseer pack absolutely annihilated me

[spark mortar]

What's needed to craft the 636 Shield?

[violet ginkgo]

the one listed on the menu. I mean when you make order it will tell you what you need, you just have to read it easy pz.

[mortal oak]

Thinking to return to Wow. Last played since Castle Nathria.... Is prot warr a thing right now or should i Paladin?

[urban portal]

pally better but war close second

[keen pivot]

Hey all, I am an offspec tank, but I am tanking 10s 80% of my runs. My gear is mostly prioritized for fury so lots of haste/mastery. I only have 5% vers which seems real low. 24% crit and haste. Should I be focusing on more vers over crit/haste for tank gear I get?

[sweet summit]

no you're fine

you can very comfortably do 10s with literally 0 vers

[chilly brook]

stats

don't

matter

equip ilvl press your buttons

[pallid quiver]

also, technically crit is on average better for most of M+, since more damage slightly than vers and works on the largest incoming damage source

[jagged gust]

Can DKs still generate boneshield pre countdown in m+ or am I fucking something up

[ionic yoke]

Is 25% crit, 24% haste and 28% mastery good enough to Tank? Sitting at 1% vers lol

[pallid quiver]

Like Griff said above, any stats are fine

The largest portion of tank survival comes directly from your play than any secondary combination, as they're all close enough defensively that you're fine

[upbeat lake]

I just finished getting timed runs on every dungeon, now with the +12 affix, does it become a necessity to do bigger and riskier pulls just to be able to time the keys?

[pallid quiver]

Eventually, but likely not at the level you're pushing into

[upbeat lake]

Timed +11 runs*

[pallid quiver]

And I don't know if we can hit the point where super massive pulls are even required or if DPS are getting one-shot by boss mechs first

[ionic yoke]

Noted, thanks

[upbeat lake]

Yeah i did a single +12 ara kara and even tho i felt like i was doing normal pulls we still had 5 deaths to trash before the first boss

But watching those crazy +16 timed runs videos isnt something i should try and copy

[slender compass]

Hi. Im trying Prot again. Why the fuck am I so squishy when I have shield block up and ignore pain and 1 cooldown in +6 wake

Im ilvl 600 shit ass piece noob warrior player

[granite ibex]

You seem to lack hast and versa.
And keys are hitting very hard

[tardy abyss]

Nobody cares about versa

Just super low haste

[granite ibex]

Well. I do

[slender compass]

how much haste should I aim for to not be this low

[tardy abyss]

Great that you do but prot doesn't need versa

35%+

So as much as possible

[wintry gate]

hey just got some advice from someone who said to get a weakaura/addon for the dps cds, so i know when i can pull more to maximize dps

anyone have any suggestions or know any weakaura/addons to get tha

[buoyant lintel]

omnicd

[slender compass]

so I shouldnt be tanking if Im not close to 35%?

because I literally feel so gapped

[unique mauve]

How important is taking intervene for m+? I feel like I mess up everytime I try to use it so thinking of taking different talents to get more throughput damage or survivability

[ionic yoke]

20% minimum imo; Into the Fray helps with haste

[tardy abyss]

Nah its not THAT bad

And don't play ITF...

[buoyant lintel]

You should only be taking ITF at like 30-35%

otherwise u need the otherone i forget the name

to keep shield block up

[tardy abyss]

Bolster

[ionic yoke]

Heavy Repercussions

[buoyant lintel]

yea

[wintry gate]

could be dps not kicking enough and letting the mobs freecast

I was 627 ilvl and before the ara kara trinknet i had only 17% haste, doing 11s fine

[slender compass]

Wait, have you been in my key where fear got through 2 times with DK, ret, bm hunter?

[wintry gate]

must of been someone else, ours got thru 3 times LOL

[upbeat lake]

NW early pulls have some nasty stuff if the kicks and dps isnt there with ramping mob dmg

[slender compass]

the DK with lichborne specced, then ran into the next pack feared

[ionic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[slender compass]

"tank low, gg key"

[tardy abyss]

People usually expect the tank to kick the fear

Which is reasonable

[slender compass]

bitch im outthere kjicking the mobs for dear gods life cause they hit me for 2 mil

😵

grouping them up for them to slay them like a russian wall of death

[tardy abyss]

Low key pugs in a nutshell

[upbeat lake]

That just sounds like an excuse for classes with no fear immune ability

[tardy abyss]

That's actually how it's handled in 12+ pugs dunno

[ionic yoke]

If you have an interrupt, you should use it lol

[upbeat lake]

Im just joking lmao

[wintry gate]

HAHAHA

get this shit our get the fuck out the dungeon then

[unique mauve]

Usually the dps and healer in those level keys is actually kicking other stuff though haha

[slender compass]

well atleast I get some feedback from you guys here because I truly felt like an idiot pulling the pack before the 2 fear adds, with the big caster dude and 3 small ones and I got shit for pulling them in fortified week

(which I agree with)

((fuck that pack))

[granite ibex]

Can you explain me why versa would be that bad as prot?

Im open to knowledge. 😊

[wintry gate]

whats the stat prio for prot? is it crit haste?

[unique mauve]

Not that it’s necessarily bad, just crit snd haste give more value

[wintry gate]

i heard crit = vers, is that true?

[jagged gust]

yes

you generally sim better with crit, but there's a certain point where you just want everything

[upbeat lake]

The 4 caster pack with the 2 marauder fear ads with the necromancer pack all together?

[jagged gust]

god that pull sucks

[slender compass]

No, I just pulled the caster

I meant the 2 marauders on the bridge as a landmark so you know which pack I speak of that I pulled

[unique mauve]

One of the worst packs in the game haha

[slender compass]

because I def. dont know their first names

[upbeat lake]

Yeah the casters are one of the worse pulls

I always use an anima orb on it

[unique mauve]

Think one is called frank

[slender compass]

fuck Frank

fr

[unique mauve]

He’s frankly a dick

[slender compass]

no richard is dick

[upbeat lake]

I would also suggest focusing the smaller ads instead of the big guy to reduce the dmg as fast as you can

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-frank-can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-in-this-trying-time-gif-13802522

[slender compass]

"focusing" "pugs"

(youre not wrong tho)

[unique mauve]

You can take the talent to give commanding shout a 6 second silence, that’s good for bringing all the mages into melee range on those packs

[upbeat lake]

Yeah those 2 dont go well together i know lmao

[slender compass]

thanks jabrony

[slender compass]

I was thinking that, you mean challenging shout tho right?

unless I have misread

[unique mauve]

Yeahhh got the name wrong haha, it’s early

After they are in melee range hit em with the shockwave once they start trying to cast again

[upbeat lake]

• anima orb

Its truly a lifesaver on that pull

[slender compass]

Getting to know the dungeons as tank is very interesting but also such a scary task

thanks for the feedback everyone

[unique mauve]

I usually use this on the 2nd necro pack because those mages seem to be spaced further from the necro

[slender compass]

I have 1 more question, just out of curioustiy so I understand prot better

Haste = more CD reduce with spamming abilities, right? Thats how haste keeps me alive no?

[upbeat lake]

Well theres 2 orbs before that pack so i use the 2nd one on the necro pull usually

[unique mauve]

I.e not the pack that’s near the spear

[upbeat lake]

Yeah the right pack

[unique mauve]

I haven’t been picking up orb, what does orb do?

[upbeat lake]

Deals dmg + interrupts enemies

[wintry gate]

builds more rage

[upbeat lake]

Hence why its so good against packs with so many casters

[wintry gate]

use rage to proc shield slam more, and then dump in IP when maxxed rage

[granite ibex]

Do not forget to use Magic block too when too many casters

[slender compass]

alright so its exactly that, thanks

[unique mauve]

Oh damn didn’t know that, will definitely be picking it up going forward. Still got that dps brain since I only started tanking a few days ago

[slender compass]

reflect and magic block are on CD in caster packs

[wintry gate]

spell block LOL

use ur magic block on the scary terries

[slender compass]

Scrounch them cloust

or was it droust?

https://tenor.com/view/keyandpeele-gif-26232410

[upbeat lake]

Usually i pick up the orbs myself and let my dps pick up spears

[unique mauve]

Should we be picking up shield in NW at any point? I saw a vid that shows it’s no longer a channel ability so can continue rotation with shield up unlike back in SL

[upbeat lake]

Depends on your route honestly, with my route i believe i can only access one shield

Kinda goes the same with spears and orbs

I feel like spears and orbs bring a lot more value than shields so i made my route to be able to pick all those up and didnt care much for the shields

[unique mauve]

Ah okay ty, so just higher value from the spears and orbs I guess. I think my biggest issue in NW is the adds on 2nd boss, really struggling to get them grouped up for cleave with the crossbow guy and mages. Any tips for that specifically?

[upbeat lake]

If you have a DK, it makes the job 1000x easier but without a DK, i usually always pull the boss in a corner of the room so the ads spawn closer, and then i'll round up the melee ads around the boss then dash on one mage, and pray that my team interrupts the 2nd mage, once the first mage is dead you go to the 2nd one

Also theres a 3rd orb i can pick up for that fight that i usually use on a set of ads

[unique mauve]

Wait, pulling boss to a corner makes adds spawn closer?

[upbeat lake]

It makes it so the ads cannot spawn all around you

Only in front of you, since you have walls on 2/4 of your sides

[unique mauve]

I’ve been tanking that bitch in the middle of the room and just praying we can get them all grouped

[upbeat lake]

Yeah i did that at first too, its always gonna be harder to group everything when they spawn spread out

[unique mauve]

By corner do you mean like behind the spear? The platform doesn’t really have proper corners haha

[upbeat lake]

Yes thats the spot i usually bring it towards

Just make sure its not too much in the corner otherwise your team might have some trouble with the breath cast if its an unlucky one

[unique mauve]

Will try that again tonight, i did try tanking him there because I had seen better tanks than me tanking him there when I’ve been dps. But stopped because I kept losing multiple people when they got hit by breath

[unique mauve]

Maybe I was backed up too much when I tried it

[upbeat lake]

It definitively makes the breath harder to dodge for the rest of the team, if you're too backed up and the beam will spin across the entire available space then classes with no way to escape it will probably die

Because they wont be able to go around the boss

(But also sometimes people just be stupid and not moving, not always our fault)

[grim pilot]

First shield is good for first pull so you can delay kiting

[unique mauve]

The big trash pull at start? And assuming the shield that’s next to the crafter at entrance?

[upbeat lake]

The first pull has many different possibilities

Depending how risky you wanna be

[unique mauve]

Ty for the tips, will try them out tonight, that boss and the 2nd boss in city of threads have been the bane of my tanking and all you ever get in pugs is flamed rather than given any tips

[grim pilot]

U can sap/ms/poly + meld whatever lots of stuff to take the shield and ignore harvester depending on your comp

[upbeat lake]

2nd boss CoT is unplayable if your team doesnt help you survive the rime cast

[unique mauve]

Ah okay so you generally don’t take the harvester mob in that pull?

[grim pilot]

No

[jagged gust]

Big scary swirly? Better run away!

[unique mauve]

Yeah I just fall over when the frost circle ability comes up

[grim pilot]

Its little % which you can get somewhere else

[upbeat lake]

Unfortunately in pugs it often falls on the tank to know everything about a dungeon so any mistake is making people mad, you gotta learn one way tho cant know everything from the get go

[grim pilot]

And need dk to make sure to grip

[unique mauve]

Everyone runs away and I can’t live it on my own

[upbeat lake]

I always make sure to tell in chat that everyone in my team including ranged classes need to be close to me during P2 and even then it sometimes doesnt work

[unique mauve]

How many people need to soak that minimum? I get that the more the better but as a minimum

[upbeat lake]

The minimum number should be everyone in the group imo

If its fast enough you can get the 2 casts off before the big purple circle

[unique mauve]

Hard sometimes when I’m seeing dps drop from standing in dashes or not popping defensives for the ice shards

[upbeat lake]

Oh yeah also something we cant really control about that boss but i also tell my group that info beforehand

If the dashes are aimed at walls the bosses will barely move

[unique mauve]

You can aim the dashes?

[upbeat lake]

They target dps/healers or maybe just dps

If the bosses are close enough to the wall and they stand between wall and boss, the dashes will be aimed at the walls and it basically makes them move barely instead of dashing across the room

Just allows some extra dps for melee specs

[unique mauve]

So I should pull the bosses to the edge of room to make it easier for dps to position?

Feels like I’ve been playing on hard mode by tanking some of these bosses in middle of their room

[upbeat lake]

100% that boss needs to be tanked whete they spawn, and then when they teleport you can just tank them where they are

[grim pilot]

Idk about moving caster guy

Dont think its possible

But on the first dashes

You should aim towards the wall

[upbeat lake]

The only time i dash around is when the caster guy teleports so i bring the melee over to him

Im honestly not even sure why sometime he randomly teleports alone

[unique mauve]

Bugs are just part of the wow experience

[upbeat lake]

Had a random siege mob stay evaded for 30 sec tonight, gotta love it

Gotta include bug time in my route now

[unique mauve]

I got trapped under the map in dawnbreaker after 2nd boss

No idea how

[upbeat lake]

Ive heard about that bug too lmao

Phasing through the side boats happened many times to me

[unique mauve]

Had a warlock summon me to the boat and thankfully that worked

Was not in m+ thankfully, I’d have been so stressed if that happened when I was watching timer tick down

[vital fulcrum]

whats more prio to craft at 636 1h wepon or shield?

[fresh pilot]

Shield 100%

[upbeat lake]

Shield

[fresh pilot]

Its your single biggest defensive upgrade.

[vital fulcrum]

awesome thanks lads

[upbeat lake]

Got my mythic 639 shield from vault this week, it was finally my turn to get lucky

[unique mauve]

Gz

[fresh pilot]

nice! i have not yet seen a single myth track weapon or shield, but i do have 4 pieces myth track tier pieces.

[upbeat lake]

4 piece of myth gear already gawd damn

Very cool

[lone wren]

damn lfr boss .

[upbeat lake]

33 stacks >_>

[fresh pilot]

I just need to cap out crests, so i can upgrade all of it 😛

The crest farm feels endless to me atm..

[upbeat lake]

Do +8 give same amount of crests at +10s or +12s?

[fresh pilot]

yeah

[upbeat lake]

Ive been making my life harder for nothing then 😭

[fresh pilot]

hehehe

tbh i prefer to do 10s over 8s atm

[upbeat lake]

Well i guess the push for 3000io at least

[fresh pilot]

they are easier, people bring more brain power in 10s vs. 8s

tbh. to hit 3k i think you need to time pure 12s/13s.

[upbeat lake]

Yep

[lone wren]

witht he main the cap of crest is painfull... so many +10s keys that drop weahtered crests//

[fresh pilot]

i have timed all 10s, so will start working on 11s/12s now.

[upbeat lake]

I just finished timing all 11s tonight

[fresh pilot]

damn nice.

[upbeat lake]

12s is the biggest step up tho

[fresh pilot]

How so?

[upbeat lake]

The affix

[lone wren]

already a lot of bad people in 10s... like i bricked soem keys with ehaler main week 1, then none until 2 weeks ago, last 2 weeks bricked half to peopel doing silly things...

now the warior is 613 maybe i ll try some keys with it he level up to 80 on sunday

[fresh pilot]

for me, the issue that i have over and over, is just finding players with brains.. hoping it will get better once i hit on 11 keys.

[upbeat lake]

At +12, you no longer get the xalatah affix, now all mobs and bosses gain a permanent +10% health and dmg done, on top of fortified and tyrannical and the key bonus too

Yes not having to do the affix mechanic can be a benefit, but you also lose the big buffs they provide

[unique mauve]

How did you gear to 613 so fast? I hit 80 on this warr on saturday but only at 602 ilv

[upbeat lake]

I would assume delves

[wintry gate]

whats your io lvl after this

[upbeat lake]

Just above 2700

[lone wren]

normal and hc raid, won 80% of rolls for everything

[upbeat lake]

Tho my grim and siege timed +11 were not very good

[lone wren]

like 100 on nromal ansurek ring

like i did not roll under a 80, iun anything... that cahr is so lucky

[wintry gate]

my stonevault 11 is the same way, compared to my dawnbreaker which we timed by like 4/5 mins left, it's a 10 point difference

[lone wren]

while my main in 4 clears of 3/8 mythic won rolls for one item...

[upbeat lake]

Stonevault and grim are usually the 2 i would consider the hardest dungeons

[unique mauve]

I haven’t stepped into the raid yet, feels like a mental barrier but happy doing +7/8 keys at my ilv, is it much harder than those?

[upbeat lake]

I wouldnt say that its harder, raid tanking is just very different from mythic+ tanking

[lone wren]

normal raid is 100% free, onyl tiem i even sued a defensive was queeen

[wintry gate]

same I need to learn the raid 😦 im 627 and no clue what any of the bosses are in the raid lol

[upbeat lake]

If your other tank knows when to taunt swap you should be all good

[fresh pilot]

To be honest if you use a raid WA, and GTFO, then it will tell you when to taunt etc 🙂

[unique mauve]

I doubt I will get many upgrades in normal ilv wise but would you recommend doing that to learn fights before hc?

[jagged gust]

it not a bad thing to do, little changes between normal and heroic

plus it's kind of hard to die on normal

[wintry gate]

hey guys quick question, so lets say i have 619 gear right, is it worth it to max the 619 gear to 6/6 hero, (or whatever the highest before myth is), or is it worth it, like lets say I just got my set piece helmet and its 1/8 myth, to max that first out with crests to 639

[upbeat lake]

If you want to get a quick rundown of raid mechanics i recommend ready check pull videos they usually tell whats important to do in each role for every boss on heroic and normal difficulty

[lone wren]

yes. today si qucik runs for any spec first see nromal mechanics before

sikran arsenal waht buff i am looking for? the avoidance one?

and parry?

[fresh pilot]

I would max out the myth track first obviously, then spend crests on getting weapon/shield crafted if you havent already. then upgrade the best in slot items you have in hero tier.

[jagged gust]

myth 1/6 starts at 623, so you technically lose crests by maxing heroic pieces

[upbeat lake]

Maxing hero gets you 626 so you only get 3 level of no crest upgrade if you max your hero gear before getting your mythic

[wintry gate]

I wonder maybe the exception to that is maxing out the ara kara trinket

[jagged gust]

all depends on how much you hate farming crests

[lone wren]

yeah i amde int he main that mistake ins eason start in total lost 4 crests upgrades a whole 60 crests

[elder plinth]

Hello, got potentially stupid question. Attempted tanking +5 yesterday as 601 prot warrior and got completly obliterated on some packs. Issue is I played PvP as Arms before I started tanking M+ and was wondering, how huge of a difference does shield make? It's probably my lowest ilvl piece currently being 580 pvp shield and was thinking if I should craft one or it's not that big of a deal and its more of a skill issue

[jagged gust]

early season it's very punishing with the limited cap, but at this point it's just how much you're willing to farm

[wintry gate]

you don't need a shield just 2h it

lol jk jk jk

[jagged gust]

It's your #1 defensive item, by orders of magnitude

[fresh pilot]

its your single biggest defensive upgrade. So craft one asap

[wintry gate]

yeah that's a good idea, im going to do my helmet. the only other mythic one is my trinket bottom right

[elder plinth]

Understood, thank you!

[upbeat lake]

I wish there were actual good tank trinkets this season

[wintry gate]

is this worth maxing out?

[jagged gust]

one of the best trinkets

[upbeat lake]

Pretty sure both your trinkets are some of the best for prot

[wintry gate]

just hoping the ara kara trinket in my vault shows up next tues

mythic one

[upbeat lake]

🙏

I finally got my hero boots so i can fully upgrade everything to minimum 626 now

[fresh pilot]

Slickprot yeah its one of your best in slot trinkets, i use skarmorak and ara kara, unfortunately both only on hero track 😦

[lone wren]

still capped my main is 634 with uncapped gilded i will be 636

[ionic yoke]

I want that shard

But I'm stuck with a hand of justice

[vital plinth]

hey mythic brood question.. so we are 3 tanking (blood/vdh on boss.. me on adds prot) I am lagging sooo badly so any tips to help? and 2nd question would anyone know what the blood parasite are classed as? i.e. guardian,minion,minor unit ect.

[left charm]

Hey, new warrior this expansion. Just hit 80 on my alt that i only plan to play as prot. With the free 619 do i craft a 1h weapon or shield? What s the most bang for the buck?

[ionic yoke]

Shield

[tribal wharf]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BDPzFyW7LlM?si=QM2DqU3BTLUXoHA3

[lone wren]

i complained about 30 stacks in lfr, and this megachad protection warior ( not me) gets 60 stack on nromala nd survives all fight

[tribal wharf]

nerdvschad.jpg

[rare kraken]

Is Beledar's Bulwark worth crafting?

[tribal wharf]

proc shield? not really worth it

[stuck basin]

better on with the normal shild and embellish that with the krit or vers>80% thing

[round pendant]

warrior needs lust

there, I said it

[tardy abyss]

It doesn't make sense we don't have lust ngl

[round pendant]

I can't play with my 2 friends if we all dps (monk, dk, war) because it limits us to needing a shaman/pres healer (or drums)

it sucks

pres doesn't exist

and weirdly I get more priests than anything in +10s/11s

[short ivy]

isnt disc the new fotm for healers

specially in higher keys

[ionic yoke]

Dude this reminds me I tanked this with 50 stacks LOL

We wiped though

[stuck basin]

sound like a you problem - but you can easy get away with drums in 10/11 keys - not sure if it would be good for the meta to have a tank with lust...

but i'd take it ofc 😅

[ionic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/inglorious-basterds-aldo-aldo-the-apache-brad-pitt-make-that-deal-gif-17140905

[round pendant]

tank with lust doesn't do anything except allow more flexibility in comp

it won't make them mandatory since you could just take a shaman or evoker or hunter

etc

all of which have useful dps specs or healer specs

[lone wren]

i thoguht shaman was the only ehaler allowed in keys?

[waxen frigate]

there are r1 keys timed with drums every season

drums vs lust is really not that impactful

[round pendant]

I use drums if I'm forming my own key

if I can't get a lust class

but no one's picking a 3man with a war, monk and dk

and the amount of times me and my friends all have the same key or 2 keys we've done 5 times already

sometimes you wanna play a different dungeon

[stuck basin]

find 2 more friends a d get out of the real problem - pug leaders 😅

[round pendant]

I'm trying but most people I meet don't wanna go again

and I don't want to use raider.io ads because I don't really want a full on commitment

trying to get my guild going but same kinda issue

[ionic yoke]

Speaking of keys, why do most people hate grim batol? At least from what I've seen

[short ivy]

a lot of people i know still hate the key from the start of the season when it was much worse

[ionic yoke]

Is it because of the knockback?

[ionic fern]

RNG casts with bad overlaps ontop of heavy tank damage paired with heavily punishing individual mechanics from bosses.

[eager phoenix]

100 year old dungeon with obnoxious visuals as well

[onyx pike]

maybe dumb question in 2024, but regarding the Raid vault, do i only get items from the bosses i've killed? i get different answers from a google search.

and iirc i got the fyrakk 1h axe back in DF even tho never killing him

[eager phoenix]

kill boss once and its in the pool, then its only a matter of how many vault slots you fill out each concurrent week

[onyx pike]

so i kill ansurek mythic, the ring is in the pool even if i didnt kill her next week and lets say only 2?

[eager phoenix]

yeah

just need to do it once

[onyx pike]

aaaah

tyty

[lone wren]

Any way to sim resilience ?( like the best way to avoid dying) raidbots only sims dps

[eager phoenix]

higher ilvl makes you sturdier buddy

all you need to worry about

after that its using your buttons

[ionic yoke]

All you need is a shield and a dream

[eager phoenix]

[compact palm]

https://not-even-close.com/

[round pendant]

no idea it's legit one of the easiest dungeons

final boss visuals are cancerous though

[ionic yoke]

I've heard that aoe is the worst to heal through

[lone wren]

So u mean never using shield block and ignore pain /s

[vocal harness]

Whats the hardest ? Or the Harder ones

[round pendant]

for me the hardest has been City of Threads

mainly cause first boss griefers

I don't really find any of the dungeons that hard

Dawnbreaker has also been horrible for me but again, third miniboss griefers

[vocal harness]

By a fervor of 1000 burning suns i hate necrotic wake so much. IMO its the Most difficult

You can fk Up Things so easy in NW

[round pendant]

Idk what happened to NW, it was so incredibly easy until the last few weeks where suddenly everyone dies to the 2nd boss adds lmao?

[vocal harness]

Cot and dawnbreaker are my favs tbh. But i See what ppl could have Problems with

[eager phoenix]

personally sick n tired of mists

dogshit dungeon

[vocal harness]

Thats indeed one bottleneck of cot. Shit positioning and you kill your Tank. Really sick of it

[vocal harness]

Yeah 100% but only maze and 2nd Boss

[round pendant]

mists is kinda chill

Final boss sucks ass tho

Also lmao my last group lusted on pull on the final boss

instant phased it

killed 2 people who were not expecting white swirlies everywhere

[ionic yoke]

Bring back maw of souls

[round pendant]

bring back legion tbh

[ionic yoke]

^^

[vague badge]

Bring back MoP

[tawny current]

Wdym 3rd miniboss griefers? How do you fuck that up?

And by you, I mean the crazy fucks you've seen

[eager phoenix]

austin power steamroller is the most difficult mechanic

[tawny current]

But that's...looking at where it's facing when it casts, and just...not being there..?

[round pendant]

people sending it into walls

people getting hit by the other mobs frontal

all sorts

[tribal wharf]

This weeks affix in a nutshell

[lone wren]

Sims says hast mastery shoulders over crit/haste it makes sense?

[tawny current]

Sim is love. Sim is life.

[violet ginkgo]

make sense

I mean even nome recommend you get 20-25% mastery outside sim.

but don't go beyond that it will be wasted he said.

[clear rune]

First boss on mythic, where do you guys tank the boss?

[woeful trellis]

You don’t move him. So middle and edge where he comes back

[slender compass]

😱

[swift veldt]

Is wa for spell reflect in dungeons enough for maintaining good spell blocks or it may mislead me at some points?

I mean, it wont prio stuff i guess so sometimes i may block things that i should just take to block another spells? Thats what i mean by missleading me

[vague badge]

i just got 3 2 hand weapons due to fury lootspec 😄 maybe i should switch to prot...

[vocal harness]

Another 10 cot depleted bc ppl keep stunning me before Tank Buster at First Boss

[teal fable]

what embellishment to use for sword?

[violet ginkgo]

nothing

[chilly echo]

is this as horrid as it looks, that 50% of all damage was when shield block wasn't up?

[torpid dome]

That math checks out I think, yeah

[chilly echo]

Actually now I feel stupid, ofc that includes a lot of unblockable damage too

I should think more before asking

[strong forum]

Check the hits column on melee dmg

On dmg taken

[wide pilot]

Whats the best way to go about finding whats slapping me in 12 keys? Examples would be 1st pull in NW, GB or say 3rd pull in Siege. Seems to always be while I’m pulling

[strong forum]

Check the individual pulls in logs and learn about the mechanics of the mobs

NW it's just that the patchwork soldiers melee really fucking hard

[earnest cove]

Tankbuster casts in NW, Tank buster mobs first pull GB, Shredder dot in Siege

[strong forum]

GB it's the Rive from the overseer

[wicked pollen]

i also recently learned that there is a -15% hp in nw

🙂

[strong forum]

Bloodletting stacks

So it an be a lot more than 15% max hp reduction

[wicked pollen]

forge guys in sv

[strong forum]

Same goes for that one 😄

[wicked pollen]

this thingy

[wide pilot]

Is there anything in details or are logs the only way?

[wicked pollen]

logs best way

[waxen frigate]

Just use logs man

[wicked pollen]

also recording yourself play is good

[waxen frigate]

What’s the obsession with details

When details is known to be unreliable and has various bugs or inconsistencies at times due to it being realtime

[wide pilot]

For me i guess its the lack of knowing how to use logs. Properly

[dusky canopy]

Best way to learn is to just start using it and then ask questions if you can’t find a specific thing you want to know

[waxen frigate]

^

It’s just details but you can do more and it’s more accurate

[violet ginkgo]

I want to know if blizz care about warrior class

[tulip oar]

Quick answer, no. Long answer, kinda but they have bigger fish to fry. Like keeping the company from collapsing.
Though they should of gotten a big boost of resources from the Brutus mount.

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[blissful nexus]

hey, according to the quickguide on dc it says: :thane: Mountain Thane: Ilvl > Haste -> Crit -> Vers -> Mastery; for stats
focusing on high m+:

1. is crit also needed for defensive purposes or just a dps stat?
2. any min or max value to reach for haste / crit / vers?

[regal yarrow]

No max for haste. You won't hit crit or vers DRs if you're focusing entirely on haste. Crit gives extra parry chance.

[dusky canopy]

You pretty much never go wrong equipping haste on every single gear piece and then Crit or vers as the other option

Also if you want to min max dps then simulate your gear and equip what it recommends

[blissful nexus]

Im focusing on min maxing the "how many dps can I do, while still be tanky enough to tank the highest keys" 😄

[regal yarrow]

You don't really have to think about how tanky you are at all. It just comes with the stats

[dusky canopy]

Haste/Crit is my preference

[regal yarrow]

You only absolutely need haste, because you need rage generation and cooldown reduction. I'm also haste crit.

[dusky canopy]

Haven’t vers stacked since bfa with corruption powers

[blissful nexus]

y makes sense.
rn i've 32% haste, 22% crit, 6% vers
crafted neck+wrist with haste/vers and weapon ring and belt with haste/crit

[dusky canopy]

There was a big copy pasta from the VDH discord of how much Vers you needed for it to actually make a difference and it’s like an absurd amount to make your key level feel like it’s “one level easier”

Crit gives more dps than vers and also increases parry chance

[blissful nexus]

y true, I mean we cant change stats on all our pieces. so I am just trying to figure out what stats I use on crafted gear and also what do I enchant and socket

[regal yarrow]

You can change the piece of gear you're using though

[dusky canopy]

I’d craft Crit/haste

[wide pilot]

Anyone know of any prot warrior streamers who push m+? Seems like all the big ones i know of swapped to pally

[dusky canopy]

And gem either Crit haste or haste Crit depending on what the sim wanted

[blissful nexus]

nextback i guess

[dusky canopy]

Same with ring enchants sim Crit or haste

[regal yarrow]

Shirey, if you just want to watch to learn, check out youtube videos instead of streams, and focus on what they're actually pressing to initiate pulls and survive bosses.

[blissful nexus]

so you just take the vers you get from some rng gear instead of crafting f.e. ring or neck with vers for a decent amount of it?

[dusky canopy]

Also, some mastery doesn’t hurt when you have a boat load of Crit/haste

[regal yarrow]

The mastery can come from one of the 2 mastery trinkets that give almost 10k right now

[blissful nexus]

y i run sacbrood + skarmorak

[dusky canopy]

Correct

I would stat haste>>>crit>>vers>mastery

Ilvl is still above all

[wide pilot]

Any you would recommend? I know alot of the bog boys are really venturing away from noms talents

[blissful nexus]

ofc

[blissful nexus]

yodatv has also some protwar vod's

[dusky canopy]

The best warrior player in the world is Sense

Watch sense to learn how to play Prot correctly

A lot of the top M+ Prot warriors play weird talents that they can get away with because of their team/comp

Pika is also very good however I haven’t seen him chatting in a while I’m not sure if he’s playing this tier

Really Nome/mawhi guides are great as well if you prefer reading guides instead of trying to learn from a vod

[vague badge]

fury or arms as dps offspec?

[waxen frigate]

Which one do you like more

[vague badge]

i find both are kinda meh 😄

[tulip oar]

Fury most of the time for me. Just dislike Arms current game play loop.

Rarely will cool downs line up smoothly.

[waxen frigate]

Then I’d check out each of their stat requirements/trinkets and see what is suited better to your gear

Also you’ll need 2 weapons for fury ofc

[tulip oar]

Arms, Stat wise works. Haste/crit, overall it will be whatever you enjoy. Both are good.

[vivid lantern]

I find way too many people are running in to the fray in M+ with low haste which is trolling the healer. Especially in the 8-10 key range. Shield block should be >95%.
But I found most people running ITF have <60% uptime.

[grizzled nova]

60% uptime isn't because of itf lmao

bad players playing bad

[vivid lantern]

You can’t get that uptime though running ITF with 30% haste.

[grizzled nova]

You'll easily have 90%+ with 30% haste and itf.

You'll still get the odd 2-3 sec sb gap in combat if you aren't smart about letting it falloff in safer parts of pulls.

[vivid lantern]

It is just so much easier to run HR for beginners but people just look at the top logs and copy paste talents.

Is ITF that much of a dps gain?

[grizzled nova]

It's probably better for most people in s1 to run HR, for the sake of total % blocked hits, true.

But a player that has 60% sb uptime with ITF is a player that is going to have 62% uptime with HR.

Because they aren't pressing buttons correctly in the first place.

[vivid lantern]

Or is it just because the 8% haste you get is not hit by Diminishing returns?

[grizzled nova]

ITF is a multiplier on your total printed haste value.

[ornate thicket]

Think lot of people sleep on their shield charge cd giving another sb charge

[grizzled nova]

If you have 30% haste from your total secondary haste stat, then your total printed haste value is 130%, and ITF is giving you 130 * 1.08 = 10.4% more haste.

And yes, that is added as a flat haste % value, not as a converted secondary stat, so it is never affected by any DR we might run into.

Not that it matters in s1, it's relatively difficult to hit even the first haste DR.

[vivid lantern]

Thanks for explaining that. I think with a haste flask I can hit the first DR.

[orchid sky]

hello friends i have a question - i know its a prot warr discord - im looking for an easy tank to play and push keys - currently plaing dk blood but i need an alt to play and enjoy - im thinking about prot warr or guardian druid - which one in ur opinion is easier or just better? both of them kinda seem easy to play

[grizzled nova]

Wild Strikes and Enduring Alacrity work in the same way, fwiw.

[grizzled nova]

It's an alt, try both, do the one you have more fun playing.

[vivid lantern]

I play guardian, Ret and Pro Warrior. And do 10/11s tanking.
Guardian is fun. But spell reflect is way more fun in M+. I feel they are pretty similar, maintain iron fur or shield block. I do pull differently depending on which I’m playing which is a nice mix.
Like Thukker said play which you like most.

[wintry gate]

Guardian was fun for me for like the first week or two, but the rotation is really boring ngl, playing warrior is just so much more engaging, plus I was doing 2x better as warrior then guardian druid even at a lower ilvl, currently doing 11s on warrior and the rotation imo is just so fun, it feels like a tank ngl

prot warrior isn't hard at all, just hard to master, guardian druid is just knowing what to do and doing it, prot warrior has a higher skill ceiling imo

[mental vector]

Hello. Is there a shild block macro, which cast shield block ONLY if its not up? So if it is up for more than 1 sec the macro doesnt cast shield block just ignore pain?

[tardy abyss]

No need for such macros as you can stack SBs really well

[mental vector]

Yeah, i was just wondering

[keen glade]

also - macros can't work in this way

[edgy bone]

Is Sense still playing prot warrior or did he abandon us for prot pally too

[restive yew]

how?!

[regal yarrow]

That's wild

[tribal wharf]

from a youtube video im watching

[regal yarrow]

There was like a 20 hour spires of ascension in shadowlands

[tribal wharf]

i think deplete should only be a thing if you major fuck up the key

[regal yarrow]

At that point, why even have keys at all, and not just a selectable difficulty?

[tribal wharf]

say the timer is 30 minutes, you dont deplete and lose a key lvl until 30 % more or 10 minutes more of playing the key

run between 30 and 40 minutes is just simply you get a keystone of the same level

still get the crests

i just think there has to be chance for "SAVED" moment,in keys, few extra minutes of do or die time

its like, who wants to be a millionaire dramatic music type thing

[regal yarrow]

Isn't that already there? If there's 3 minutes left on the timer and 1 boss to kill, what's different about that? Do you just want the keys to have a few minutes added?

[tribal wharf]

i think its bullshit if you dont time by 3 seconds so you lose keystone levels and less loot, less crests

ppl angry

[edgy bone]

M+ is in a terrible state bro

Has been for years

[tribal wharf]

or u have player go pick up mail from bottom of his mail from bottom of his apartment building which takes what was it 8 or 13 minutes or something

mid key

[edgy bone]

Affixes werent fun, community is toxic, having to join groups is the dumbest thing ever

[tribal wharf]

or just miss the timing on hitting DR

[edgy bone]

Any other competitive online game you just logon and click PLAY

[regal yarrow]

I don't know, I think most of the people that really like the mythic+ content don't care about the loot, and aren't that bothered by the key level dropping. We'll usually have a few other people with keys at the same level, or 1 key level down feels like night and day, and it's just a breeze to get it back up

[edgy bone]

M+ you logon and get declined from 150 keys then logoff

[tribal wharf]

i think they do care else why would they come and then get mad when the key implodes

cuz you clearly get way less rewards for not doing it

[regal yarrow]

When you're running 14s people don't actually get mad when the key is failed

It's normally "gg good try" and then hearth on the first wipe

[edgy bone]

No one cares about the loot. We care about our key going down then it's that much more of a time sink to get it back to a point where it's worth +io again

[edgy bone]

The dude who's key it was probably cares

Cuz that's his vault key and after it bricks twice he's just gonna apply to other keys all week, then when he can't get in he just logs off until next Tuesday

[regal yarrow]

I only run my own keys, and I'm not bothered by it at all

[edgy bone]

Then you're special

and a minority

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95CP0M40Ds this dude is crying about keystones is where this come from

but i agree with some of his points

[regal yarrow]

Also when you're running with people past 12s, I can't imagine anyone is thinking about their vault at all

[wintry gate]

^

[tribal wharf]

you add a timer to a video game it goes from being casual fun to serious as shit

cuz now you HAVE to perform

[wintry gate]

then don't play m+?

[regal yarrow]

Yeah that's not wrong. I'd actually like an alternate to m+ where the difficult scaling is massive, but there's no timer.

[grizzled nova]

The timer is what makes it worth doing, but I think there's been a pretty strong consensus for a while now that there needs to be better opportunity to practice keys.

[tribal wharf]

i think there should be a timer that runs in the normal mode and above dungeons if you want to display it, and it does nothing

[regal yarrow]

There's an in-game stopwatch

[grizzled nova]

When I want to time a 15 but I need to do an extremely dangerous first pull that requires a lot of practice to do correctly, it's a huge pain to have that key immediately become irrelevant when that first pull fails, and then for it to require 6 hours of keys that aren't that one to get it back.

[tribal wharf]

just a mock up, but it at least shows you how long you've been in there while your learning it

cuz thats the end goal is run it on a timer

[regal yarrow]

It'd solve a lot of your problems to find people to run with consistently, but I get it that a lot of people can't do that.

[pastel geyser]

Wow and being able to practice fights? Good joke lol

[grizzled nova]

wym raid is just nonstop practice fights until you get a kill

[pastel geyser]

Blizz is too incompetent to add such a good qol feature

[wintry gate]

I don't understand what there is to practice? Just watch a video on how to play your class, then watch a dungeon guide on where to tank the boss and move him and practice in keys?

[grizzled nova]

imagine you had to reclear the raid back to boss #6 every time you wipe on boss #6

that's what m+ is

[regal yarrow]

And then you go into a stonevault, and you aren't prepared for your frost mage to freeze half of the mobs at the door, so you keep running before the root gets broken and lose aggro of everything

[brittle owl]

??

bricking a key on the first pull is amazing

go in, 5 mins, go out

get new group

fabulous

it's worse to go through an entire key only for people to shit the bed on the last boss and brick it there

[pastel geyser]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

or like, fail the timer by 4 sec

[wintry gate]

ara kara last boss

[grizzled nova]

Until you're doing actually difficult keys and there isn't another key available for you to just queue into.

[regal yarrow]

You mean every siege of boralus where you get to the last boss with 10 minutes left, and the healer wasn't prepared for the 12m ticks of the debuff?

[grizzled nova]

Then you get to spend hours on end redoing content that isn't relevent to you anymore to RNGesus back into the key you're actually trying to work on.

[brittle owl]

this guy knows

??

[pastel geyser]

There should at least be mythic +x in dungeon journal to see dmg values

[wintry gate]

are you running with a full 5?

[brittle owl]

if you don't have a dedicated group are you actually doing difficult keys?

[pastel geyser]

Not just ‘m+’ thats a +2 lmao

[grizzled nova]

Yes.

[brittle owl]

if you're pugging who tf cares

also why would you push keys with pugs

that's like failing from the start

[sweet summit]

i'm a masochist

[brittle owl]

ur a pleb

[wintry gate]

its not that high but 6 of my 11s are all pugs

[brittle owl]

lmao

[sweet summit]

also true

[regal yarrow]

Slick, try some 12s with a pug and hate your life. The difficulty difference is massive, and you get a death on almost every pull. The only reliable way to time it is if you play really well as a tank to pull massive and make up for the death count

[wintry gate]

I feel like puggings only THAT bad if your a dps or healer

or 12+ yeah

[brittle owl]

u still play on turalyon?

[sweet summit]

yes 👴

[brittle owl]

look at you

no1 prot on realm

pumpin

[wintry gate]

I mean your probably not meant to pug 12s, need coordination with kicks

[sweet summit]

i faction changed to dwarf and got nuked from guild ggykw

[brittle owl]

who needs a guild anyway

[brittle owl]

you can absolutely pug 12's if you're fine with carrying

esp with the new zoomer dungeons

[round pendant]

Pugs can join voice

Not sure why pugs aren't allowed to do +12s

Key depletion serves no purpose

Remove it entirely

[brittle owl]

idk man ask them

[round pendant]

I just don't understand blizzard's refusal to actually play into the whole "infinitely scaling" thing

they actively go against it

Depletion means people get bottlenecked by the rng of pug groups

and now we have random brick walls (for most players)

instead of just letting the infinite scaling handle it 🤷‍♂️

[brittle owl]

insert random screenshot of 200 death tol dagor

[sweet summit]

ergapala the baster joined pretty girl e club i'm kind of a big deal 😎

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-peaks-kasse3bitte-peaks-peaks-gif-19022626

[rain vale]

Can someone help explain Queen tank swap for me, tanked it for first time last night on heroic and was a nightmare with me and other tank getting obliterated.

[vocal harness]

its so insane how according to dps players - you have to do anything alone in mythic dungeons

those lazy bros wanna press their dummy rotation for big numbers and refuse to do anything besides

[sweet summit]

hate them

[brittle owl]

pee on them

assert dominance

[vocal harness]

"tank you missed like 2% uptime on clones in maze - do better" while you are legit waiting 1 sec for paty cake, handling the freeze tag and dodge the balls while dps cant figure out which clone to kill and healers dies

[round pendant]

who would complain about tank uptime on clone

3 dps delete that shit in 2 seconds

tank has to not get patty'd

and tank insta pulling the boss to the clone makes it harder to hit the clone with frontals too

[violet ginkgo]

the thing is... how to notice the clone mark? I never really understand it since I don't play SL.

[round pendant]

Odd one out

[vocal harness]

well you can use a weakaura to figure it out, but guess what, youd think that one of those donkey dps would use it? surely not

[chilly brook]

Because you don't have a team?

[violet ginkgo]

there is WA too for that like the maze? Well @vocal harness if you got link can I please get it?

[brittle owl]

i can sell you a personality if you'd like. got quite the selection

[vocal harness]

google maze weakaura its like the first one or so

[violet ginkgo]

not for the maze, I got the maze, I was talking for the boss fight

[chilly brook]

They wouldn't want me anyways I mean who willingly takes a Dev evoker in keys?

[vocal harness]

yes i think there is also one for the boss

[brittle owl]

the memes griff

they do it for the memes

smh

[chilly brook]

At least I kinda blast tho

[brittle owl]

only kinda

[chilly brook]

yeah only kinda

my prio damage goes insane tho in packs

[brittle owl]

whatever makes you sleep boo 💋

[chilly brook]

[round pendant]

I'm #1 dps in all my keys but no way of reflecting that when applying to keys

= never get accepted because lowtier spec

so sad

[chilly brook]

just gotta do your own key tbh

[wintry gate]

so if I'm trying to record my own logs, before every dungeon I have to do /combatlog or?

[chilly brook]

which sucks ass if you need a specific key for io but you can't get it yourself

[brittle owl]

if you're a dps it's aids to get into groups

[round pendant]

get the Loggerhead addon

[round pendant]

Yeah that's the thing

I keep getting the same 2-3 keys I've already done at the level I want

[chilly brook]

same

[round pendant]

and me and my friends regularly get duplicate keys lmao

game is rigged

[chilly brook]

Ironically, my evoker is 20io off of my main

[brittle owl]

although tbf, having "high" io on offspec is something that people usually consider

[chilly brook]

But miss me with playing Aug

[wintry gate]

got it rn, just turn it on and do a dungeon then or?

[round pendant]

when you go in a dungeon it'll ask if you want to log it

click yes

[wintry gate]

ahh

[round pendant]

it'll log that dungeon whenever you're in that dungeon

automatically from now on

and stop logging when you leave

[wintry gate]

then i just have to upload it to the wowlogs thing or will it auto upload

[wintry gate]

thank you 🙂

[round pendant]

You'll have to use warcraftlogs uploader

and use the livelog to automatically upload logs when you do stuff

or wait til you're done playing and upload it manually

[deft mortar]

Does timewalking random dungeons still drop 554

and not even upgradeable track

I just want some stamina trinkets for fun...

Fucking blizzard

[chilly brook]

what is fun about stamina trinkets?

[deft mortar]

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand

[round pendant]

number go big

I.. guess?

[chilly brook]

I mean doing big dam is fun

having big health pool? Eh

[round pendant]

yeah imagine if trinkets did damage

pls bring back 10% overall damage trinkets blizz

[brittle owl]

big helf is fun on like a dk druid or dh

on pwarr doe? iunno man

must be compensating ig

[zealous goblet]

whats the uptime on sacbrood out of curiosity

[strong forum]

100%

How many stacks however can vary

Can be as low as 1 stack or go up to 8

Each stack has an independent timer

[idle vine]

ok, off topicish question - how much shit do you put up with in a pug before bouncing? Low keys, farming crest at 7.

typically i hang out for the key even if they are bad players... but shit talking me for not liking my route? Saying my % is of when its clearly not? then blaming me for their mistakes, ie standing in bad

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum has immunity dispel(shattering throw) ever been used in m+

[chilly brook]

ever

yes

[cyan bronze]

where?

[chilly brook]

this season not that I can think of

[cyan bronze]

i genuinely cannot think of one

oh, incorp?

[chilly brook]

it did like a decent amount to absorbs in the past, would have had a use in past seasons for that but also yeah incorp

not exactly a popular pick

[frank rock]

whats incorp?

[chilly brook]

but I mean it has been used

[chilly brook]

something you don't need to worry about anymore

[frank rock]

: )

[cyan bronze]

ye knew about that

was more curious about its immunity dispel functionality being used in m+

[chilly brook]

not really anything I could think of for that

but maybe it has an interaction with narzhuda or w/e the named necromancer mob is in NW?

Since that's a physical immunity?

[cyan bronze]

i found one reference to it being used in return to karazan

“zul gamux” has a magical immunity; interesting

[chilly brook]

Shield damage would be good on last boss of NW but they separated that off of Shattering didn't they? It's a choice node with a specific absorb shield option right?

[cyan bronze]

hm

i don’t believe it works there

[chilly brook]

Can't find any information on it

[cyan bronze]

iirc it’s a magic dispel that makes the mob have a 99% phys damage reduc

[chilly brook]

but

could try it in like a 0 or something

[cyan bronze]

they both do shield dmg

at the same amount per cast

[chilly brook]

yea but one is a much shorter CD right?

[cyan bronze]

wrecking is just a 45 ya

also i remember reading that it’s damage is really bad now

but idk

[chilly brook]

oof

[cyan bronze]

that point is also in hell

fwiw

[chilly brook]

meanwhile dev's shield specific button is giga good

huge damage for one gcd

[cyan bronze]

it was kinda mid before the buff

[chilly brook]

ye

[cyan bronze]

like barely more dmg than a disint iirc

got powercrept hard

[chilly brook]

but now it's a super valuable gcd

[cyan bronze]

but it’s like, 50% (bad at math) stronger now iirc

if you irid blue buff it

[cyan bronze]

it’s also devs only burst dmg

[chilly brook]

Yesn’t?

[cyan bronze]

dev has little burst dmg

[chilly brook]

You’re in complete control of if you want burst or sustain

You just almost always pick sustain

But you could easily R3 your FB

[cyan bronze]

fb

i mean sure but dev still has very poor burst aoe

it’s mcd is incredibly weak

[chilly brook]

All I know is I really enjoy dev

[cyan bronze]

it’s quite fun yes

[chilly brook]

Didn’t think I’d like the class, ended up liking it a lot.

[cyan bronze]

it suffers from the mastery nerf heavily still, and resource overflow unfortunately

[chilly brook]

Resource overflow is just down to the tier set

[cyan bronze]

not entirely, no

[chilly brook]

For the most part it is

[cyan bronze]

dev has had resource overflow since s2

@ that point, attributing it to a tier set is silly, when it’s been an issue over 3 different tier sets

[strong forum]

outside of incorp no

shatter is only a pvp talent

[cyan bronze]

kk

[strong forum]

wrecking throw has had applications in raid but not m+

[cyan bronze]

wasn’t sure if there’s been any real immunity’s on mobs

[strong forum]

none that are dispellable!

[cyan bronze]

found one example in karazan but seemed like no one played it there either

[strong forum]

in kara we didnt have access to shatter/wreck

[cyan bronze]

i figured that was why

was it on the same node as avatar or something

[chilly brook]

I played dev in s2 of DF it wasn’t that crazy

[cyan bronze]

we had long drage however

[dusky canopy]

Just snagged a 9800x3d!

[chilly brook]

The only reason I was clipping super early in DF on my disintegrates during DR was if I knew I could get a 3rd extension

[cyan bronze]

drage itself needs a rework when its ability to be a cd hinges on a tierset

[chilly brook]

Now it’s just simply because you generate too much essence burst and want to maximize the essence regen

It doesn’t hinge on a tier set

[cyan bronze]

it’s called mass pyre for a reason

[cyan bronze]

it’s a bit hyperbolic, but it largely hasn’t felt good since season two

[chilly brook]

Current tier set doesn’t really have anything to do with DR other than your 4 set contributing to resource overflow inside CD

[waxen frigate]

Ok mr moneybags

Need a sugar baby?

[chilly brook]

Just uncap DR extension again

It was a silly move

[cyan bronze]

there’s a number of things that they can do to it

[chilly brook]

You were never getting past 3 extensions

[cyan bronze]

an interesting idea me and naji talked about was that it would interact with certain talents

[chilly brook]

And getting the 3 extensions felt reaalllly really good

[cyan bronze]

ie; cb stacks 2x, vola to 100%, vola inherits modifiers, etc

but this is getting off topic of #protection

[chilly brook]

It’s fine

No one is asking questions, prot is always off topic until someone does

[waxen frigate]

I post in here about sardines

[opal wave]

yo how big is the difference between 626 and 636 shield ?

[oak ivy]

Potentially Nar'zudah in NW?

dunno if that works tho never tried

[strong forum]

that one isnt an immunity

and just a normal purge will get rid of it

shatter specifically only works on magical immunities

[tribal wharf]

what would it work on in keys if anything this season or next

[violet ginkgo]

Dunno how big but you definitely have to upgrade it, don't think too much

[tribal wharf]

nothing boss right

[strong forum]

pve hasnt had magic immunities

[tribal wharf]

or like important trash i guess

[strong forum]

shatter only works on bubble and iceblock

its a pvp talent

[tribal wharf]

i could have sworn we did it in DF kara keys

[strong forum]

DF didnt have kara

[violet ginkgo]

wrecking throw hasn't see too much use either in PVE right? I mean what you will use it on? mob/boss rarely have shield

[tribal wharf]

shadowlands

9.3

[strong forum]

SL didnt have shatter

actually

we did but we used it for the extra absorb dmg on the affix

in SL s4

not for the magic immunity break

[tribal wharf]

i can speciically remember using it in karazhan something to pop some absorb

other than that cant think of anything else, it was some dude near start on stairs

[strong forum]

was for the absorb dmg

but not for the immunity break

[tribal wharf]

so then it should be a 1 talent node only the axe shattering throw and then its a pvp talent for shattering

i never use either

my logic has always been i can just deal = dmg to what it would do instead

[idle vine]

anyone have a ignore pain weak arua? none of the ones off wagio seem to be working?

[cunning oriole]

This is what I use, was working fine as of last night in raid
https://wago.io/QtuFplVXP

[idle vine]

perfect!

thanky ou!

[paper granite]

do we have any specific ways to sim or is it just 1 target and 5 targets

[minor forge]

For casual 10s not pushing, mad queen is a decent trinket, right? Besides arakara sac

[lofty warren]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/patch-11-1-and-the-war-within-season-2s-likely-release-date-revealed/

Icy veins announce 11.1 release date Feb 25

Seems quick to do 11.7 in January and then like a month later 11.1?

[urban portal]

not really no

the .7 patch isnt meant to last very long

[rain light]

I have a week off work then, perfect

[lofty warren]

Is the ring from .7 patch going to be bis through 11.1 or is it basically worthless?

[round pendant]

Friend has done 6 +10s on his mw monk, 618 ilvl, 2520 rating

tank joins group with his buddy

his buddy says "healer is bad"

and they leave

People really are mentally challenged

Tanks won't join a key because it doesn't have a healer in
Healers won't join a key because it doesn't have a tank in

no one seems to realise you can just join any group as a tank/healer and it'll insta fill afterwards

[vocal harness]

I think it all comes down to the old saying: "ppl are Just fking stupid"

[tribal wharf]

i mean, we were talking about the shattering throw earlier

and i looked at the tool tips a little tiny bit, it gets an increase in dmg from battleshout but not avatar it seems

for me at 618.6 ilvl, with just battleshout it shows as hitting for 75k - 90k? (not sure how high it goes)dmg

says it hits for 500% on shields, fight like the rock in stone vaults it could be good there, thats 350k if it gets full value and then crit would be 700k,

potential 700k every 45 seconds doesnt sound too bad

[lofty warren]

I haven't pushed shattering throw all xpac. Do we still know it?

[tribal wharf]

now, how it calculates how much of that 500% bost you get........... god only knows.........

probably more like 300 % boost really good one on average and never ever once in 1000 times see the 500%

like 80% of those casts become only like 200% or less, i bet

[round pendant]

that's pretty shit

[sick nova]

What should shield block uptime be at?

[fast oracle]

As close to 100% as humanly possible

[sick nova]

I was just wondering because I had a Prot tank blaming my friend who was healing with 22% uptime on shield block.

Usually a giveaway on whether or not they are playing properly

[round pendant]

85%+ probably

in a key

[lime geyser]

how am i supposed to stop the overseer in GB when they cast reckless tactic?

they start to hit like trucks and i can't even stun them

[regal yarrow]

If your health bar moved, and shield block wasn't active, then you fucked up. If your health bar isn't moving, you don't need it up.

[tardy abyss]

95%+

[tribal wharf]

apparently 15k dps if you could do it 500% crit on cd

[regal yarrow]

deathray, it has a cast time and my shield slams hit for 2 million. There's no world that I'd waste a potential 2 shield slams for a single 700k shattering throw

[tribal wharf]

is a massive qualifier, im think on wrecking throw

same dmg and instant but no remove immune

[terse flume]

what's the consensus for when into the fray becomes better than heavy reprecussions? im 617 with 12635 haste

[tribal wharf]

shatter is a 2m cd

The REAL real problem with what im talking about and why it would be so pie in the sky is becuase youd have to always have a target with a 1m+ absorb on it

[pallid quiver]

Roughly 30-40% haste without any buffs

[tribal wharf]

which isnt realistic, maybe this affix counts

[pallid quiver]

It depends on what dungeon you're going into, as your metric goal is 100% effective block uptime, which varies between dungeon

You get a dungeon where mobs spend like 75% of their time casting, you can get by with less. Dawnbreaker, for example

[terse flume]

damn so you really have to have a ton of haste before it makes sense