protection

[jagged gust]

the one that gives you IP every minute or 2

[rough egret]

good morning warriors,
is this a cloak angle? would be and upgrade from 610 cloak that i currently have..
idk how bad is the myth track trinket

[torpid dome]

Just wondering about the defensive options as you see other (low on self sustain) tanks seem to go for swarmlords or Chelicera as well

[wraith totem]

Refracting aggression module

[torpid dome]

ooff that wings seems tempting there

[rough egret]

yeah i went there

[torpid dome]

was hero track 6/6?

[ionic fern]

Yeees.

[swift veldt]

Yeee, youre right. Im just confused sometimes that i should use last stand +last stand macro with health pot etc xD thats why i was Talking bout breaking fingers, i just know that we dont whirlwind so at least one bind less lol

[torpid dome]

that looks interesting as well, still wowhead 'only' lists it as C-tier, basically only dps trinkets are A-tier or S-tier for prot it seems

[wraith totem]

I use it mainly as an extra defensive on pull or boss mechanic.

[sudden moth]

Hey guys you think Skarmorak Shard is a good trinket for us? I already have the Larynx in hero track, wonder if I should get this or the finger

[torpid dome]

tbh it could be great on Queen fights for example

as liquefy and feast deal shitton of dmg

[wraith totem]

For example.

[torpid dome]

taunting at that moment gives you a bit more sustain in those fights

but other bosses I feel it's unneccessary

[wraith totem]

I mainly play m+

[rocky igloo]

wtf is this vault

[torpid dome]

I would go shard

Shard is an A-tier trinket, great stats-stick which increases your dps quite a bit with the 6,5k mastery

[torpid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-pay-respect-coffin-burial-gif-12855021

[sudden moth]

Thanks!

[jagged gust]

We already deal with those mechanics very well, trinket isn't moving the needle

[torpid dome]

not? tbh I haven't tanked queen yet

only seen a mediocre druid tank and pala tank from our guild keep dying to them

[jagged gust]

Lot of bad tanks out there

[torpid dome]

idk what's happening with them, but we're basically playing HC queen without combat resses

since either of the tanks usually die in the first 2 minutes

but they tank and I dps, since they're even worse on the dps side 🥲

[earnest cove]

Don’t know how you setup your keybinds in general. But I would recommend to put similar abilities on same buttons. This reduces the thinking while playing and you only have to worry about unique utility things.

[jagged gust]

heroic you can get by almost entirely without using defensive cds, I'd wager they don't know their actual toolkit

[torpid dome]

most likely true

[wraith totem]

Tank shouldn't die in the boss at all.

[jagged gust]

if your ppal cant ret that's scary in itself

[wraith totem]

This tbf

[torpid dome]

I'll push more tonight on raid night that they look into what they're doing wrong

[regal kestrel]

Just started doing 10s last week. Currently have all heroic items at ilev 619. and 1 crafted 636. Got my first mythic, upgraded it to 639. Is it worth it to upgrade my heroic items to 626 or make more crafted 636s? Planning on doing 10+ regularly. But, I don't mythic raid. Any advise? 🙂

[jagged gust]

If you've got the crests to spare, can't go wrong with more crafted pieces

[torpid dome]

Go for 2 times crafteds, for the embellishments

you want 2 ongoing embellishes I think

I went for crafted shield + vambraces

[young tide]

Is the Ovinax Egg any good? Im COnfussed, wowheead sayss its BIS on frontal page and then its B in Trinket Ranking

[torpid dome]

and I only 6/6 hero track items when they're pretty much BIS

[jagged gust]

It's pretty good, annoying to min/max

[torpid dome]

looted a hero track sacbrood; so 6/6'd it

This week I will have more crests to spare, so I think I will spend some crests to 6/6 other hero track items

[regal kestrel]

Ahh yeah that makes sense

[jagged gust]

619 > 636 crafted only wastes 15 crests, if you're not breaking 4piece it's fine to craft unless you really hate farming crests

[torpid dome]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/the-maelstrom/gundarian

is basically what I went for

could do more on haste side, but I need that necklace

Sureki Zealot's Insignia

[jagged gust]

yeah, 5k haste total on the heroic track

[torpid dome]

ye thats a big upgrade

[jagged gust]

That neck alone gets you 1/4 of the way to using ITF

[torpid dome]

brings my total haste from 17k to 22k I think

[minor forge]

Is mists 10 doable at like 613 ilvl? Or I will get trucked hard

[torpid dome]

trucked hard, but doable I think

depends on skill level

[sweet summit]

very doable

[jagged gust]

very doable

[young tide]

Im currently running these Items: https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackrock/Granatenvoll (cant find my char in wow?) What wwould you go for?

[civic herald]

hey! what would you pick? im new to protection and to be honest shield would be nice but i think i will craft it opnce i have enough mats, so i'd say tier, what do you think?

[civic herald]

neck has speed and socket but idk

[torpid dome]

what talents would you swap to make use of ITF tho?

[jagged gust]

It's a choice node

you swap out of HR for ITF

at 20k+ haste

[torpid dome]

I cant even find the node lmao

[strange comet]

Left side of the Prot tre about 2/3 down

It’s a bulwark of azzinoth icon for HR and bloody fist for ITF

[torpid dome]

Ahh

[rain bone]

When should you realistically swap to ITF?

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[rain bone]

Oh XD

Alright! Thanks ;p

[jagged gust]

😉

[rain bone]

And sorry for missing that, lol

[torpid dome]

2700 haste to go thne

Does ITF harm as opposed to HR when you're under 20k haste?

[mental scarab]

You Will have downtime in SB

wich is No fun

[hoary pivot]

Can we please add the ITF info to the guide / into the faq / as a pinned post?

[torpid dome]

the extra rage generation from HR makes that you can have more SB uptime, while when you're above 20k haste then ITF takes over?

[mental scarab]

The haste lowers the CD on SB

🤔

[fast oracle]

is there a point where enough haste is enough? Are there dimishing returns or soft caps?

[mental scarab]

So with to little haste you Will have gaps

[violet ginkgo]

Not about 20k. You got to have 40% unbuffed haste to go itf. Dunno howmuch is 40%

[lime mantle]

Question;
Is it worth it to craft 636 gear w/o embellishments if I don't plan on doing mythic raids and thus my only source of mythic gear is the weekly vault'

Assuming gold is a non issiue ofc

[torpid dome]

17,3k is 31%

so then it'll be approx 22k I guess

[fast oracle]

you can always add them on later but think of it as two enchants you haven't got

other than gold you're giving up nothing by having them

[lime mantle]

I already have 2 embellishments (nerubian buff thingy and ascension, as they work as an excuse for me to chainpull :^)) so they'd just be 636 gear.

[fast oracle]

ah fair

yeah then if the 636 is a huge ilvl jump or you can't get good crit/vers + haste in that slot, then it's worth a craft

[lime mantle]

I am walking around with HC gear so 🥲

[fast oracle]

if you can time 8s, it doesn't take that long to get the crests for a craft

[jagged pier]

brah

it does

now

[lime mantle]

Oh no that's the point, I got the crests and all, all I do is M+ atm, I just don't really 300% understand the new crafting system so idk if you could hypothetically walk around with all crafted items w/o embellishments.

I can't really commit to 2h of sit down play thus why I can't raid.

[jagged pier]

its 7.5 timed keys for 1 craft

[fast oracle]

12 per key. Time 8 8s and you've got a 636 item

[jagged pier]

thats if u time

[fast oracle]

You can do that. you can also recraft any of those pieces to change their stats and add/remove embels when you want to

[jagged pier]

scetchy in 8s nowadays

and to do 8 keys is a lot of time

[violet ginkgo]

So better go to 10 instead?

[jagged pier]

10s are sctchy

[fast oracle]

it's literally 33 minutes each. 4 hours. Faster than a mythic raid.

[jagged pier]

lul

u can clear 4 bosses in 2 or less hours on mythic

thats 2 myth track pieces

[strong forum]

40minutes

[jagged pier]

in vault

[strong forum]

If your group is competent

[violet ginkgo]

Wait 8 sketchy 10 also sketchy, what should we do then?

[jagged pier]

mythic is way faster

[jagged pier]

14s+ if u can

[jagged gust]

Just clear mythic raid, smiley face

[jagged pier]

thats where the good ppl are

[lime mantle]

I play with friends so that isn't a big issue, the raid issue is that I can't really ensure I can commit to a mythic raid schedule.

[strong forum]

If you're after crest farm, it's best to search for a crest farm group

[fast oracle]

If you can time 14s you can probably carry 8s

[strong forum]

Or generally groups that have leaders that have timed 11s and a few myth bosses killed

They're generally the better groups

[fast oracle]

11 is the sweet spot

[strong forum]

Not good, but good enough to get the key done without trolling

[fast oracle]

bads who just want a loot pinata carry don't queue for 11s. They mostly stop at 10

[jagged gust]

jokes on you, we get the key done while trolling the pug

[fast oracle]

also, we're prot warriors

we can get a group whenever we want.

[violet ginkgo]

Best dungeon to farm crest? Mist?

[fast oracle]

I like Dawnbreaker beacuse it's so hold W

pretty straightforawrd fights, only 1 real mechanic people can troll

[strong forum]

Mists or ara kara are the most foolproof dungeons to spam

[jagged gust]

Dawnbreaker surprised me more than any dungeon, it's so sprawling but the route is a masterclass in holding W

[strong forum]

Lowest possibility of wiping or having tight timer

[strong forum]

I signed up to do a 10 ara kara, halfway through the key I realised it was an 11

They prolly forgot to lower it

[jagged gust]

my arakara runs generally go smooth, and then 17 wipes on final boss

[violet ginkgo]

Same William

[jagged gust]

The amount of times ive had to solo the final boss is too damn high

[lime mantle]

I love when pugs butt pull the last 2 tall guys mid fight (they aren't built for that) : )

[jagged gust]

...are they trying to outrange the pull or something?

that's a new one

[torpid dome]

oof I had that on Monday

2x super smooth +10s

then the final boss and mistakes all over the place

people going to the same pools

not enough pools

too many pools

people soaking the poison

all of it 🤦‍♂️

only good thing out of it was that I got a hero track sacbrood

[jagged gust]

I was so happy when mine dropped, and then I simmed it and now it's sitting in my bank

[torpid dome]

it's a big haste stats stick

[civic herald]

is there a way to Sim tanks?

[jagged gust]

same way you sim dps

[ionic fern]

The same way you sim DPS.

[civic herald]

any recommendation? 🙂

[torpid dome]

I think simcraft only sims the dmging stats no?

[boreal oak]

What exactly do y’all pull for the one at the start of necrotic wake? I’m gonna check out a guide too, just looking for some advice on it

[torpid dome]

not potential tankyness etc?

[torpid dome]

i'm doing 3 packs on pull

[civic herald]

u need help and taunt it, so tell someone to pull and utaunt

[strong forum]

Tankiness comes from playing well and ilvl, not from specific stats

[civic herald]

i pull 5 packs

[jagged gust]

baby pull uwu

[mild swallow]

haha

[torpid dome]

could also do 4-pack like this

[mild swallow]

yeah it's safe

[torpid dome]

those 3 extra mobs dont deal much extra dmg

but yeah I prefer to pull safely

[ionic fern]

Tanked a 10 Mists yesterday with 599 ilvl and 12 % haste. Just be tanky.

[torpid dome]

the times I pull big at least 1 dps dies

rendering the time gain as a net-0 score with a lot of risk

[mild swallow]

but in PUG I don't get to skip Narzudah anyway and if I get in big people die, I've learned to chill on the pulls and time the keys because people simply survive

[ionic fern]

If you plan to craft a shield,take whichever item you have on the lowest track and has main stat on it.

[jagged gust]

It's not about playing safe, it's about doing 5mil DPS on first pull and the pure serotonin drip it provides

[torpid dome]

if only my pugs did that type of dmg 🥲

[ionic fern]

That's the tanks damage,smh.

[jagged gust]

^

[ionic fern]

Dps must do 10m +

[mild swallow]

yall must really be MDI champions huh

[ionic fern]

Yep.

[torpid dome]

on those pulls my regular M+ team dps hits about 6-7m dps

I usually hit 2,5-3m or so

[mild swallow]

but if someone asks for advice on a pull it's fair to assume they're beginners or don't have a fix team, so maybe it's wiser to not advise pulling the whole room, just a thought

not sure if we're here to help each other or simply to brag

[jagged gust]

It's a pretty safe pull tbh

[torpid dome]

yeah this pull is pretty decent

[civic herald]

thanks

[torpid dome]

safe and doesn't bring any unneccessary dangers

could pull the extra pack at the entrance

[ocean nova]

good morning guys, should i be taking the cloak over the mythic head? both of my current are heroics

[civic herald]

cloak

[mild swallow]

I used to but it doesn't really enable me to skip something else later on (in pugs)

[civic herald]

2000000000%

[torpid dome]

cloacl is myth track as well?

[jagged gust]

nah, its heroic

[ocean nova]

no hero

[torpid dome]

I had one time that someone asked me, "Dont we need that pack"

I said that 0,9% wouldn't matter on the route I was taking

we ended that run at 99,1%

no clue what pack I missed XD

[mild swallow]

haha

[ocean nova]

if i grab the mythic head i probably wouldnt upgrade it till 2 weeks which is why i was leaning towards the cloak

[torpid dome]

ah yeah then take the cloak

cloack is BIS anyways

[jagged gust]

I once missed almost 4% in NW because I walked past a group of mobs and was like "ew, better walk around this gatekeeper pack"

It was not, in fact, the gatekeeper pack

[torpid dome]

[jagged gust]

still timed that 10, but fuck that was embarrassing

[torpid dome]

https://keystone.guru/route/the-necrotic-wake/TxMpIiy/raiderio-weekly-route-bunten/1

This is usually the route I'm taking to NW

[mild swallow]

ilvl 624, not sure if I'm grabbing this trinket or getting the 6 whatnots for a slot

[torpid dome]

I'd take socket in that situation

you already have a swarmlords, I'd consider that better than RAM

[mild swallow]

yeah I have the set helm in myth with avoidance proc, the socket would be nice on it

[jagged gust]

Would be nice to replace the swarmlord with something like transmitter

[torpid dome]

Ye for sure

[jagged gust]

Though it does come with a price of constantly yelling "where the fuck did my orb go"

[mild swallow]

I do have a hero transmistter I use in Fury

but yeah that was my fear, having to play the minigame in dangerous situations haha

[torpid dome]

also imo trinkets are quite good to max to 6/6
Since it unlocks valorstone upgrades to 6/6 for all your other trinkets as well

[mild swallow]

oh I had no idea :O

[torpid dome]

as trinket balance tends to shift

it's useful to have that

[minor forge]

Is that sikran neck really that good
Think a 636 neck crafted can match it

Hc sikran neck not myth

[jagged gust]

it'd be close ngl

[fathom spoke]

mythic track spare meat hook a good trinket or nah?

[jagged gust]

its okay

decent ST damage, very middle of the pack otherwise

[torpid dome]

if you can get it, sikran's is great

[fathom spoke]

i only play m+ really and just in the process of gearing my warrior, currently got hc track swarmgland and vet aggression module, so its a big main stat upgrade on the aggression module. but my other choice is a hc stitchflesh ring which is easier to obtain outside of vault, but its like 50+ ilvl upgrade and better 2ndary stats than my current ring

[torpid dome]

tbh if I dont get sikran's neck tonight

I will have it crafted later this week, since I'm absolutely missing haste on my neck-piece

[lime mantle]

The few times it happened it was hunters, so I assume disengage stuff?
Idk, people are weird.

[onyx umbra]

Is myth void pactstone good for pwar? Atm I have myth Ara-Kara sacbrood and champion Silken Chain Weaver, kinda doubting I'll get a trinket from a Silken Court on hero

[modern jackal]

Apologies if this has been discussed before: I'm still new to sims and having trouble determing how surviability works, particularly as relates to shield ilvl. Is there something I can read which talks about what it means numerically to go from something like an ilvl 619 shield to a 636 shield?

[dawn turtle]

What cloak enchant do people use? The leech is nice but healing out of combat idk, so maybe avoidance one?

[cerulean ferry]

trinket mythic cloak hero what we saying guys

[torpid dome]

afaik for Pwar upgrading your shield is the best thing you can do for survivability

[torpid dome]

hero cloak 100%

[swift veldt]

If im having troubles staying alive should i swap for immovable object? Or force is just too good?

[dawn turtle]

Chant of Leeching Fangs Enchant Cloak or Whisper of Silken Avoidance Enchant Cloak

[hoary pivot]

trouble in what kind of keys?

[swift veldt]

10s :/

[hoary pivot]

in 10s it should really just be gameplay by you and the team - defensives, kicks, stops, knowing when to pull how big and just pressing enough buttons overall

generally knowing the dungeons well

[swift veldt]

When both main affixes are up i always feel like i do not have defensives and missing cds on everything xD

[hoary pivot]

main affixes?

[swift veldt]

I mean tyra and forti

[hoary pivot]

ah ok

[swift veldt]

I hate this change that we have to deal with both

[hoary pivot]

might be a rare case of oversending CDs then. do you tend to stack them in panic, hitting multiple at the same time? or do you send them on pulls where nothing is happening and missing them on more dangerous ones right after?

[hoary pivot]

i kind of like it because from 10 on, keys are kind of consistent

between weeks

[swift veldt]

Id say 1st one, panic that i will die and doing double cds like wall + last stand

And then im raw on next pack or empty before boss pull

[hoary pivot]

then you should check your logs to see if that is what happening and focus on sending CDs before you take damage instead of after and only sending one at a time (SW is really good, trust it)

[torpid dome]

I do that sometimes

[jagged gust]

I haven't seen an official writeup on how blocking/armor mitigation works since SL, but you can somewhat see for yourself by checking your block value against a target dummy and mathing out the diff of an upgrade by how the value changes.

#protection message

This convo covers the topic pretty well

[hoary pivot]

and to send before, you need to know the dungeons, no way around that

[modern jackal]

Much appreciated all on the info regarding shield ilvl impact.

[urban portal]

fyi the block formula hasnt changed since shadowlands

the only thing that changes is the K values

which you have to ask around for

[swift veldt]

I dont need to, i know that im doing like wall + stand while charging to pack

[jagged gust]

yeah no reason to rewrite a guide when the info hasn't changed, just harder to find at this point

why while charging?

It's a self heal

[swift veldt]

I got kind of used to it at this point xD

[torpid dome]

I usually pop shield wall on the first 'big pull' of the dungeon

after that I recast is whenever necessary, as SW is usually at a 1m cooldown max

[jagged gust]

wall is fine on pull, but last stand is very much an "oh shit" button

[swift veldt]

I guess trying pala at the same time will just fuck me up more and only way is to deplete some keys untill i get things with war right

[torpid dome]

ye I use LS as oh shit button

[jagged gust]

Actually shoutout to S2 when you just macro'd it in to SS

[torpid dome]

and impending victory as a recurring heal usually

[swift veldt]

I was using last stand to get temporal more hp so i dont die that easly. Well now im questioning how tf i timed so many other 10s lmao

[hoary pivot]

yeah you should not do that^^ you should know which pulls will chunk you and use defensives there as soon as damage would happen. also make sure to know the trash tankbusters and have appropriate measures against those (often spell reflect or spell block) or call for an external if you dont

[hoary pivot]

last stand is kind of our....last stand. its the worst defensive, but it is the least punishing when used reactively. SW is the bread and butter defensive and has pretty low cooldown.

[jagged gust]

Defensives are kinda optional up to roughly 11s outside of like, dawnbreaker first boss and the likes

[torpid dome]

its not even a defensive, I consider it a heal 🥲

[jagged gust]

You can get away with a lot of shenanigans in lower keys

[torpid dome]

imo LS should always be used reactively right?

[jagged gust]

Mostly, unless your defensives are down and you need the health pool to survive a one shot

[jagged pier]

nope

[swift veldt]

I need to watch some recorded keys from war pov to see what peeps are clicking and which mobs hits like a truck with either phys or magic cause thats probably while im panicing

[jagged gust]

sometimes learning means taking 53mil damage in 0.2 seconds

[hoary pivot]

why? to reduce your healer's life expectancy?^^

[swift veldt]

Thats exact thing that happens to me when i enter CoT or batol XD

On others im mostly fine

Just those 2 are sooo hard for me

[hoary pivot]

watch in depth m+ guides, they usually cover the most important stuff

[jagged pier]

or just learn by doing

[jagged gust]

in depth guides go a little too deep on the most banal things

[hoary pivot]

both of them have trash tank busters. CoT has the venomblades in the first area - they are spell blockable and the poison can be dispelled, otherwise use a defensive. the conscripts in the second area stack a debuff on you, you need to rotate defensives on those bigger pulls. the rest is kind of chill.

[minor forge]

606 crafted neck atm
Have between sikran neck hc and mad queen hc
I thought trinket would be the best choice but both are so difficult to obtain...

[jagged gust]

gb the brutes and overseers start to absolutely schmack you if you let them live too long

That was another fun learning experience the first time I tried chaining 2

[hoary pivot]

grim batol has the overseers in the first area, those cannot be double pulled and take a SW. the second area has the flamerenders which do a tankbuster slash that is reflectable and the giants which have lava fist, which is also reflectable. the last area has the enforcers that do more damager per hit, they need to be reset by a sooth or stun and kite.

[rain bone]

How do I check my SB uptime in a log?

[jagged gust]

buffs page

[jagged pier]

nope

[rain bone]

How much are you looking to have it at?

[jagged gust]

but better to also check your melee hit block % too

[jagged pier]

damage taken -> melee row -> hover over the hits column

[rain bone]

70.63% blocked :o

[jagged pier]

bad

[rain bone]

How much should it be at?

[jagged pier]

90% at least

[jagged gust]

100% would be optimal, but aim for 90 and go from there

[rain bone]

Man I felt like I had SB up like all the time ;o

Need to make a WA that warns me when SB is running out ;o

[hoary pivot]

that means you are either not having enough SB uptime or you are getting hit in the back a lot

[rain bone]

Anyone got a WA like that? :o

[hoary pivot]

cannot block from the back

[rain bone]

I mean, that is partially true, the hit in the back part

People always seem to ninja pull random packs ;o

Plus if there are 3 enemies, and 1 of them is fleeing, I always face the fleeing prick and focus him down :o

Cuz I don't want it to ninja pull ;o

[jagged gust]

If I have 90% blocked hits, I guarantee half of the unblocked are coming from me chasing transmitter before it floats through a wall into nothingness

[vague badge]

How to check amount of blocked hits?

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[rain bone]

Damage taken > Melee > Blocked Hits :3

[torpid dome]

hmm I usually end up aroud 70%

[rain bone]

Same ;o

[torpid dome]

I think I really need to focus SB uptime and need to make sure better that I get no hits in back

[vague badge]

Are you looking at the total of a dungeon for that value?

[torpid dome]

Err 70% when I perform well *
So on successfull timings 🥲

[rain bone]

Disappointing, I feel like I've gotten a lot better yet only 70% uptime :s

Well, time to int a +10.

[torpid dome]

on a +10 NW

[jagged pier]

thats the wrong column

hover over the hits column

[torpid dome]

oh

[rain bone]

Oh :0

[torpid dome]

still room for improvement tho

[rain bone]

83.74% c:

[solemn totem]

myth head for set or arakara? (i have champs items)

[thick thistle]

Ara

[rain bone]

Ara-ara Sacbroooood is BiS :0

[solemn totem]

ty)

[torpid dome]

In that case I average around 83-84% ish most of the time

from what I can see

[rain bone]

A lot better than 70! :D

[torpid dome]

yeah 🥲

does this graph on shield block only take into account of fights? Or also downtime between pulls?

[jagged gust]

downtime included

[torpid dome]

and with downtime included, you guys are hitting 100%?

[jagged gust]

no

[rain bone]

Nobody is hitting 100% with downtime ;o

[torpid dome]

ah

[jagged gust]

100% blocked hits =/= 100% SB uptime

[rain bone]

But they're looking to hit 100% without downtime.

[torpid dome]

how to check for all fights uptime specifically?

is there a way to filter the downtime?

[jagged gust]

you can check pull by pull to see if you dropped it in the middle of a pack or something like that

[torpid dome]

it's weird tho, since on SV I do 3 pulls before Edna, but it seems to combine these pulls ina single pull I guess?

[jagged gust]

Like you can see an obvious correlation here in melee damage intake and SB dropping for 2 seconds

[torpid dome]

this is the Pull 1, which pulls 3 packs in the hallway
I guess somewhere it includes the pulls on the packs before Edna aswell?

I expect that the first pull is that first 56 seconds of SB, after that some walking and pull on one of the packs?

[jagged gust]

you can look at your damage intake in that period to verify

[torpid dome]

hmm the first downtime seems to allign with the downtime in SB

you do see some dmg spikes on moments I drop SB tho in the second pull

big spike at 2:00 minute mark is when I pull pack 4 together with 5, to move out of range for the boss encounter

[jagged gust]

yeah, so like for the one I linked, 50% of all damage I took in that 20 second snapshot was from the 4 seconds total of SB downtime

the spikes do be spiking

[torpid dome]

indeed

[jagged gust]

which is why we always say if your hp is spiking, you probably fucked up

but it's a lot to go over if unless you're really trying to sus out precisely where you fucked up

Like you can have SB uptime and take a backshot, it's not gonna be relevant other than telling yourself to stop doing that

[torpid dome]

yeah, was just wondering in general how to look at data like this

[ebon bobcat]

would you upgrade a crafted 636 weapon into a mythic? or keep the crafted for the embellishment

[jagged pier]

yer 639 is better

because you would then swap emblishements so its better also

[rain bone]

Huh

88.39% uptime on SB on +10 :)

Improvement ;p

[tribal wharf]

improvement is 100% blocked hits from threatening abilities that hit for more than 250k ea and 100% of SS casts casted under SB buffed (whole bunch % extra dmg from having SB)

🙂

[jaunty wyvern]

Hey guys, I main a holy priest and I've just rolled a prot warrior alt.

Currently finding 2s fine whilst I pay attention, heals to tank has been bit of a change aha.

I'm currently having trouble with the initial pull and was wondering if this is the best place to ask,

What is the cast sequence for best practice and how do you fit it all within such a short time? Also how do you cast ravenger? With a macro or? Thank you in advance, let me know if this is not the correct place

[tribal wharf]

if your just being meleed by some non elite trash silenced caster boy your grouping up and he melees you and it goes through and does 94k dmg............... who give a fuck

probably cover that attack with IP and self healing over time effects alone

what you have to have 100% block every single time for , is boss major abilities, and trash major abilities

shit that normally hits for at least a million

[torpid dome]

'tankbusters'

[ionic fern]

You can throw Ravager before charging in. Charge-Avatar mid Charge - TC (Thunder Blast). From there you can SS/Revenge/Roar/Spear whatever you got talented.

Getting Thunder Clap off as soon as possible is a must in AoE to grab initial aggro and build from there.

[tribal wharf]

ravager is a very strong play as it homing's in on the group you are fighting and slowly drifts towards ... something........

that allows you to start any fight with big rage, meaning instant SB and IP

[torpid dome]

cast SB before SS tho

[jaunty wyvern]

So the ravenger is generally thrown with the manual green target? There's no tech I'm missing to make it feel nicer?

[torpid dome]

Does it make sense to just macro SB to SS casts? 🤔

[ionic fern]

I am using a mouseover Ravager macro.

[tribal wharf]

i find you have to pre-cast SB in threads first boss due to how he pulls you in on aggro

you pull with say throw, which has longest range. he pulls in

you odnt get charge opp

GG

so you have to pull him with something that gives rage or pre SB it

[ionic fern]

Not mouseover..@cursor macro.

[orchid gulch]

Or you walk a bit closer to throw and charge. You don't have to pull things at max range.

[torpid dome]

I often lose track of my mouse position lol

[ionic fern]

/Cast [@cursor] Ravager

[torpid dome]

I feel like if I make those abilities @cursor then I;ll start missing a lot of them lmao

[ionic fern]

This casts it where your cursor is at right now and removes the green targeting circle

[orchid gulch]

That's practice.

[jaunty wyvern]

Thank you for the help guys, another question about SB and shield charge, is there any point in it overlapping? Or should I try and string the buff along the "three" charges

[ionic fern]

Send SC on cd

[torpid dome]

SB casts stack

so cast on cooldown

[orchid gulch]

It stacks the duration up to 24 seconds, I believe.

[jaunty wyvern]

Ohhhhhh like the buff stacks

[ionic fern]

Up to 3xSB duration.

[jaunty wyvern]

So I don't have to be watching as closely to time the effect

[ionic fern]

So,18. Bolster breaks the cap.

[orchid gulch]

Does Enduring Defenses affect that cap with the +2 seconds per cast? I'm currently not certain about that.

[jaunty wyvern]

This should make it easier aha

[ionic fern]

Should,je.

[jagged pier]

it does its 24 for ED 18 withotu

[lone wren]

in which bose sin nerubar normal i need to taunt away from the other tank?

[orchid gulch]

So I wasn't entirely wrong. Good to know, thanks.

[jagged pier]

all of them

[lone wren]

yes but at which point nromaly when dbm tells me or somethign more complex?

[lyric nebula]

i have a question for the mobs before the first boss in CoT. The goup i just had seemed to take an immense amount of dmg. i there something i should watch for or is it normal? I didn't see me lose aggro or so

[ionic fern]

Depends on your groups strategy. How many stacks etc.

Can't answer that for you. Just go by dbm if no other expectations. Not sure when exactly dbm tells you to taunt tho.

[orchid gulch]

In a regular scenario, when DBM is yelling at you is fine.

If you use a different tactic it may not be correct.

[ionic fern]

Casts and a dot.

[tribal wharf]

why i might pull with max range ability

[ionic fern]

Yogi,what are you on about now.

[lyric nebula]

so it's probably becaue of bad interrupts

[ionic fern]

Could be.

[tribal wharf]

nothing in particular

[ionic fern]

Can't say for sure without logs.

[lyric nebula]

yea i had 14, the rest just a couple could be it

[lone wren]

thanks

[tribal wharf]

just why i would use heroic throw which has a long range, or say i dont have a charge ready or SC or any ranged CD to start the fight

but i want to push on and keep the key going

[ionic fern]

[tribal wharf]

anyway is nothing burger at the heart of it

i've just noticed i get hit for a crap load

on the pull

on that boss

so i have to do something or cope somehow

its not even an amount i can just ignore,pretty sure i seen it hit for like, 60-80 or more of my life pool, was on a 8 i think or 9 we didnt time

at some point i have to take responsibility for things like that.

[mystic radish]

Heya 🙂
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pX6BQ4o62WtekJjjfPcHJF
I got a myth track ring (crit+mastery) in the chest or could pick the vers effect neck on hc.
I would pick the vers neck on hc over the myth track ring but am I wrong here?
Edit: Because I could grind a hc ring with better stats (?)

[lone wren]

i feell i am not immortal in solo content anymore compared to df that is normal?

[ionic fern]

That is a way too vague comment.

I have had 0 issues in any open world content.

[lone wren]

I could last season take on 3-4 elites, now 2 elites kill me

[ionic fern]

As i said..not had any issues.

[lone wren]

Also no ida why but trying zekvir and melee hits my warior for more damage that to my mage

[lime mantle]

Last season you also where at the end of the expansion and fully powercrept 🤔

[lone wren]

Probably that too

[vocal yacht]

yo guys, got a transmitter tolday today, did anyone run it on prot? was thinking to wear it mostly for the haste because im still lacking it, or is that annoying enough to do the tasks?
(ive been very unlucky with court trinket and dont have it yet, so have to wear something else)

[lone wren]

I was expecting zekvir to do 0 melee damage to me seing how much it was doing to my mage

[ionic fern]

It does do 0.

Well,close to 0.

[lone wren]

I ll recheck then maybe I am not using shield block enough

[ionic fern]

If that's all you got, then use it. Not sure about how annoying the tasks are as i don't have that trinket myself. I think there are WAs to help you track it.

[ionic fern]

Be sure to deal with the cast.

[vocal yacht]

alternative that ive been wearing till now is 639 mark of khardros

[ionic fern]

Don't get rid of Mark.

[lone wren]

Only way we have to deal is interupt no?

[ionic fern]

Yes,that's the only thing that hurts.

[hearty stump]

So I'm just doing a rotation/timer breakdown of haste%/ITF and HR. I can't seem to find any gaps in shieldblock even if we're running 1% haste excluding rage generation. Am I doing something wrong? Since shield charge gives an extra 8 second SB. Where's the gap exactly or am I doing something wrong?

[ionic fern]

Interrupt it and it's free.

[ionic fern]

Before i bother diving into it,what are you trying to find out?

[hearty stump]

At what % haste can you swap to ITF from HR in order to not have gaps in SB and gain the general benefits of even higher haste.

Since from my understanding, we play HR over ITF purely for SB gaps. So I'm trying to find those gaps in a vacuum essentially.

[rain bone]

Well, I keep hitting 90%+ uptime on SB :o

So that's good news, I guess ;o

[orchid gulch]

Around 40%. 30% runs the risk of a some gaps here and there, but not a major risk.

[hearty stump]

That's my question - I did a breakdown of a step by step rotation in a vacuum above. I'm not seeing any gaps.

[hearty stump]

.

[vocal yacht]

is that unbuffed number or 40% with flask/food/oil?

[orchid gulch]

If you can execute it like the bot, then you won't have gaps.

[hearty stump]

That is flat 1% haste.

If we run ~25% base + ITF SB CD turns to 12 seconds.

So that provides even more room for user error.

And beyond that if you want to drop it to 11 seconds cd you'd require 37,5% base haste. But the value is significantly lowered.

So even at 1% haste, there's basically no gaps in a vacuum?

[strong forum]

You need 67% haste to keep 100% true SB uptime with ITF and champions bulwark

[hearty stump]

Huh?

[orchid gulch]

Yeah, that.

[strong forum]

If you want the true 100%

[hearty stump]

So the rotation above has to be wrong in some scenario. Did I miss something?

Okay, define 'true' 100%

[rigid forum]

Would ya'll go for sureki here? Or like a myth cape

[strong forum]

Idk how else to explain it

True as in true

Literally no gaps

Not a millisecond

[orchid gulch]

100% uptime, not 100% effective uptime, as in 100% hits blocked.

[hearty stump]

Did I miss a talent or some sort of interaction here then? This is with 1% haste.

I'm just talking about having SB up all the time. I'm not sure how to differentiate that?

[strong forum]

Default cd of SB is 16sec

[hearty stump]

Yes

[strong forum]

It lasts 8 seconds

[hearty stump]

Shield charge involved

[strong forum]

100% haste means 2x haste meaning 50% cdr

[hearty stump]

Yes but

Alright

My mistake - I mean when we're playing with shield charge and champions bulwark.

Which adds another SB

[orchid gulch]

It'll still have a gap somewhere.

[strong forum]

100% haste = 8sec cd on SB
Throwing in 8 extra seconds every 45sec from SC comes to about 33% increase of SB uptime

[hearty stump]

I ran a 2 minute window and there wasn't any gaps

[vocal yacht]

idk where but your calculations seem incorrect
even at 30% haste the gaps are happening all the time

[strong forum]

Yeah that's wrong eth

[vocal yacht]

i guess it will not expire first 45 secodns, but definetly will expire on the next iteration

because the second 'cycle' you start with zero charges

[hearty stump]

Hence why I'm trying to figure out where exactly. I'm excluding user error and rage generation.

[vocal yacht]

and not with 2

[strong forum]

With 30% haste you should experience gaps after ~1.2min

[hearty stump]

Hm

[strong forum]

iirc

With HR you never have gaps

That's the whole point

HR = literally 100% uptime regardless of haste

ITF = 6% more potential dmg but gaps of SB unless have downtime between packs

[hearty stump]

That's what I'm trying to figure out, but I started doing a second by second rotation and I can't find the gaps in at least a 1.2m mark.

[strong forum]

That's just at the top of my head from when I last tested how long you can go without experiencing the infinite 3-6sec gap of SB

[hearty stump]

Since I do eventually want to swap to ITF and just started thinking at the minimum requirement

But then going second by second and it just seems to click even with a 16s cd

I'll go over it again.

[strong forum]

It's playable with lower haste than 20k, at around 18k consistent haste you have very good uptime

And also playable at lower haste than that but it's just a pain in the ass to have stupid gaps like that and need to commit other cds just to cover those

[jagged pier]

brah u can play like a play by play calulation

[vocal yacht]

got a new question, still figuring out stats (recently rerolled from fury)
so i have a 639 crit/mastery neck (its mastery heavy, like 3900 mast 2200 crit), and i have 626 crit/verst and haste/mastery necks from m+
which one would you wear? im confused tbh, because mastery seems to be the worst stat, but its highest item level
if i had a sikran neck id wear that for sure, but since i dont have it i literally have no idea what to wear

[jagged pier]

are u also taking into account your gcd into the play by play too?

[hearty stump]

I'm taking a static environment. I'm standing still, clicking the button once the CD is over. 100% rage at all times with 0 haste.

[strong forum]

Depends on the rest of your gear, but it's between the 639 or the haste neck

[jagged pier]

so an unrealistic scenario

[vocal yacht]

im kinda lacking haste, only on 30% unbuffed

so was thinking maybe haste neck, its just 1900 haste tho

[strong forum]

I wouldn't say lacking then

At that point I'd just sim it

[hearty stump]

A vacuum. From there I simply move up with haste to a more realistic scenario which is 25% haste. suddenly there's 4 extra seconds for user error.

[strong forum]

You can just sim the SB uptime eth

😄

[hearty stump]

bruh

What

[vocal yacht]

sim says 639 neck but its just dps, i was wondering what will be better for defence

[hearty stump]

lmao

[strong forum]

Yes xd

[hearty stump]

Why the fuck am I doing this then

[strong forum]

Just equip the gear you're testing

[hearty stump]

fml

[strong forum]

And go to quicksim

It'll tell you how much SB uptime you'll have

[hearty stump]

Alright. I'll do that then.

[strong forum]

It does use SC and SB on cd

And assumes 5 stacks of ITF

Or well, 4 stacks now

[hearty stump]

Perfect

4?

[strong forum]

It's the cap

2x4=8

ITF grants 8% haste, not 10

So it's 4 stacks not 5

[hearty stump]

Oh.

Right.

[strong forum]

Then the mastery/crit one probably

[tender summit]

hey guys, i kinda struggling with what to craft next. Could anyone help me with that 😄

[jagged pier]

do u have your emblishments?

do u get consistent myth pieces?

[strong forum]

I only have 1 embellish, and at 619 cuz I don't want to commit 90 crests to just 1 item

[tender summit]

this is my current, only crafted bracers but they are still on champ. shield, belt , ring and neck are myth. so im not sure if i should go for weapon or upgrading bracers

[strong forum]

Shield will do infinitely more

Than wasting 90 crests on bracers

[vocal yacht]

ok ty

[tender summit]

so your saying shield craft before sword craft ? even tho my shield is myth track and can be 639 (if upgraded of course)

[strong forum]

Well then just upgrade the shield to 639 duh

Instead of spending 90 crests on a 636

But judging your gear you are not capped out on myth crests

[sweet summit]

crit gem user

[tender summit]

nope im not at all

xD

[strong forum]

And can still grind like 400 of em

So just send the crests on neck and shield

[tender summit]

allright

[strong forum]

And craft weapon

[tender summit]

appreciate it

[brave jackal]

I need help guys, do I get the weapon? or go with the ring? knowing that I'll never ever raid.

[hoary pivot]

if you never raid, the ring will probably be more significant for a very long time right?

if it has haste that is

[jagged pier]

eh?

u go wep

we are about to get a free ring

and hes crafted himself one

[brave jackal]

will 3 extra ilvls on the weapon make really that big of a difference? or besides ilvl I'll get better stats from this weapon?

[hoary pivot]

that is a very good point

totally forgot about that

[jagged pier]

wep is the most impactful piece for dps

as everything scales off wep damage so yer pretty much

[deft mortar]

Ofc the fkn week I finally give in and craft 636 shield, I get shield vault

And another refrac and chest

Whelp that +3 ilvl is still an upgrade I guess

[jagged pier]

i dont get this how many times ive told ppl not to craft wep or shield

[deft mortar]

And I saved some gilded on the upgrade..

[jagged pier]

if u are getting myth piece consistently

literally swapped vault tp prot got shield this week

[deft mortar]

I am a mining + blacksmith

And my shield was 619

It took me 5k to craft it

[brave jackal]

well I don't really mind, getting 90 gilded is easy.. I just want to feel strongest till next vault 😄

[deft mortar]

Up next ima craft 636 bracers

[hoary pivot]

this. immediate impact matters, you could always wait one, two or three more weeks to be a tiny bit more optimized then. but what impact will that actually have on the content you will play then vs on the content you play now?

sitting with a 619 shield in keys for three weeks, waiting for a myth shield in vault while you have the spark and crests does not sound like fun to me.

[brave jackal]

anyhow, I got the weapon and maxed it out anyways.

[neon verge]

what enchant for our weapon bois? depths or radiant?

[cunning sleet]

I simmed the Ceaseless Swarmglad trinket which put me up 2,6 % in damage, but then i let go of the haste from swarmlord trinket. It will put me down to 18 k haste without any buff or flask. Would you take the trinket or go with the shoulders?

[hoary pivot]

did you sim it? shoulders with haste are nice, as they are the desired non t set piece

[cunning sleet]

Yup, i gives 0,7 % damage increase and more haste, i was just wondering if the trinket was so good that i would be worth to sacrafice the 619 swarmlord

[lilac temple]

Should I change loot spec to Fury for the vault? Ara-kara sacbrood isnt on the tank loot table

Never mind it is on tanks table. The Mark of Khadros from Grim Batol isnt

[torpid dome]

free ring?

[eager phoenix]

0.7 happy meal ring. similar to what we saw in df 10.0.7. the annulet

[torpid dome]

I have never played dragonflight

so I'm still confused 🥲

[torpid dome]

do you have a link to the tables?

[lilac temple]

These are the 2 tables for Grim Batol loot for protection and for all warrior specs

[brave jackal]

what do I search in AH to find this embellishment can't even seem to find it in the craft thingy, unless it's displayed as something else

[lilac temple]

Unless I'm mistaken the Mark of Khardros is S tier for us or at least A tier

[eager phoenix]

darmkmoon sigil: ascension iirc

[brave jackal]

when crafting a shield, I can't seem to find it in the options

[eager phoenix]

its only weapon

shield doesnt count as weapon unfortunately

[brave jackal]

oh, but it says weapon and off-hand, weapon doesn't also count as off-hand?

so, for now shield will be my first crafted item, what embellishment should I use on it?

I don't mind recrafting later and changing embelishment when I craft myself a weapon

[neon verge]

what enchant should go on our weapon??? depth or radiant power????

[eager phoenix]

if you plan on crafting a weapon with ascension you can put on writhing armor banding on your shield, it juices up the ascension effect but ofc wont do anything until you have ascension. if you want something for now, you can go with either dawnthread lining or elemental focusing lens

[brave jackal]

okay thanks

[regal yarrow]

Am I missing something about the difficulty level of walking down the stairs in city of threads, rather than getting knocked back into the eggs and spawning a million trash mobs?

I could get it if I didn't say anything, maybe they aren't used to pulling all of the mobs like that, but "Straight down the stairs, don't try to DPS the mobs first" and they still manage to not do it

[torpid dome]

Its a great offensive trinket yeah

[eager phoenix]

the slimes are pretty slow right. usually tag them and let them funnel into the big guy + 2 casters. there is no stress going into coaglamations room and spawning him if the big guy isnt dead yet

[long axle]

what embellishment would u go for if u craft 1h

[eager phoenix]

ascension

[long axle]

ty

[red dock]

Does silken chain drop from certain delve chests or just any?

[slim orbit]

I currently have a Hero track Spare meat hook. I've got a myth track ceaseless swarmgland in the vault, is that better than a hook?

[tribal wharf]

i have seen the ending, and there is no ascending

[vernal aspen]

is it possible to tank some hits during the third boss of NW using intervene? like when he's fixating on someone else

I've noticed too many of my 12s have bricked at that part

[tribal wharf]

he is indeed the wall of that dungeon

[vernal aspen]

I'm just trying to think of things I can do to trivialize these fights man

it's been soul crushing trying to time this fucking key

NW and COT has been my wall to get into 13s

[tribal wharf]

him and last boss is "... aayyooo watch me fuck up this dudes key and deplete it on him haahahahahaha" duo

[vernal aspen]

I had a shaman press lust while it was still on cd during that third boss

pretty much fucking the entire smooth run

because we didn't have the damage for the final boss without lust

it's so fucking unreal

[tribal wharf]

you lose so much DPS uptime during those fights from all players, last boss is kind oif a nightmare if dps dies

[vernal aspen]

yeah, it's why I've been thinking about going colossus even if I have to sweat my ass off every single pack

thane damage isn't cutting it for my pugs

it was going so well too...

[slim oar]

Im so unlucky with trinkets, should i keep 606 (maxed) swarmlords authority or go for this awful thing

[winged slate]

Larynx is good wdym

[tribal wharf]

its fine dw

im not going to say its strongest dungeon trinket, thats probably sac

but its definetly loot to go for

[slim oar]

i got ara kara one

619

but i thought the SV one and GB ones were way better than laranx

larynx

for m+

[tribal wharf]

im not very good at the game, but i use sac and larynx personally

619, all my gear is 619, i cant do mythic raids lol, probably would fail 10s

[eternal crypt]

Run more 8's and push the gear to 626. I'm tanking 10-12s with 622 ilvl and no real issues.

If you dont have hero track items to push to 626, run more 8's for hero track drops (or 7s for loot if you still need lower crests)

[tardy abyss]

Well hes probably saying he cant do 10s because of his skill, not his gear

You can easily tank 10s with 605 gear

[edgy bone]

How good is +603leech truly? I have my exact same myth track boots in vault, except these ones have +603 leech...

[tardy abyss]

Its nice to have but another actual upgrade is better

[edgy bone]

You'd take a socket?

None of the other gear is upgrades

[tardy abyss]

Hm, tough choice

[edgy bone]

Or a crit/mastery back or crit/vers back

[tardy abyss]

I would almost say socket

[edgy bone]

Which both suck for us, especially if we get Myth Rash neck

[eternal crypt]

I'd take the socket if you dont have them in your neck/rings yet but i'm kinda noob on that stuff and dont really min/man but I dont think leech would win over the socket

[tardy abyss]

You dont waste vault sockets on neck and rings

[violet ginkgo]

Anyone here ever try the Skyterror Corrosive Organ? how was it?

[eternal crypt]

It was ranked decently high for fury, I didn't think it was great.

never tried on prot tho

[tardy abyss]

Its alright on prot iirc

[edgy bone]

Would you ever take a cape with no haste on it?

Crit/mast or crit/vers

Both so awful

[violet ginkgo]

I sim single target and it is 1,1% higher than transmitter.

but on multi target lose 0,4%

[tardy abyss]

ilvl is king

Crit/vers is fairly decent

But you could also use catalyst

[edgy bone]

Catalyst turns it into crit/mast

And I should be getting mythic Rash cape from vault eventually

[pastel geyser]

skarmorak for sure right

[edgy bone]

because we've had it on farm for weeks

[violet ginkgo]

I think so the mastery is nice.

[pastel geyser]

god i wish i had this vault on my main thats fury lol

my prot alt is getting good shit every week

[chrome karma]

what embelishement is this

[violet ginkgo]

it's already written there, Duskthread.

[gentle pier]

Does anyone run this one? is it worth picking myth in the vault?

[sweet summit]

likely not worth

[buoyant lintel]

its trash

[solar spear]

lol i had almost the same question. kinda sucks that my only other options are a haste/mast or mast/crit ring. i might take the trinket and upgrade just for the main stat over my 619 trinkets

[cunning berry]

What was our haste breakpoint for taking ITF?

[plush tendon]

Circle of bone is a nice haste ring no?

[solar spear]

i guess apart from the mastery. replacing my 619 ancient dredger (crit/haste) with leech

[tribal wharf]

eh, from a purely defensive stance is OKAY, one if the better ones i figure, but i would never first pick it unless for some janky survival build

[gentle pier]

thank you

[violet ginkgo]

mastery still good, remember you still want 20-25% mastery

[swift veldt]

My versa is well you see low as hell. Would it be a big change to recraft most of my items with haste crit to haste versa? I can recraft up to 4 items

[solar spear]

thanks mate i didnt realise that much

[violet ginkgo]

I mean I heard nome only play with 2% versa and doing OK?

why you worry about versa though

[solar spear]

this is me now lol

[hoary pivot]

It really does not matter.

[swift veldt]

Well i've noticed that on archon or murlok io now suddenly versa has been changed from top 3 to top 2 stats and i've thought it may be better so asking just in case

[violet ginkgo]

well let me call the person (again) then. Maybe his explanation will be better and detailed. Mr @strong forum

[round pendant]

I wonder

fine to socket haste/mastery gems? (for fury)

mainly offspeccing tank this season

game keeps giving me crit/haste gear tho, feels bad man

[swift veldt]

Well literally above my question you mentioned we still want X% of mastery, that's why i asked XD

[jagged pier]

i have 2% vers and crit still sims higher so no

that would be pointless

[violet ginkgo]

as in stacking it or just 1 gem for the purpose of colour?

[violet ginkgo]

yeah that's come from nome too

[round pendant]

stacking +147/+49 mastery gem

I know crit or vers is better but I like fury

[violet ginkgo]

I think it should be OK.

Think about it we still want mark of khargos the one from grim batol for burst purpose, because it increase mastery which mean extra attack power too.

Plus the 1 min 30 secs cd is nice for the line up

[strong forum]

vers doesnt matter

stats dont matter

ilvl does and gameplay

ya

[sour flicker]

Depends of what you have right now

[sour flicker]

Any haste cap you recommend? Or just stack it as hard as you can?

[strong forum]

i myself just hover around whatever my sim tells me

but if you want to maximise your defense, keep stacking haste

[sour flicker]

Cause for me Queen ring 606ilvl is still best ring

I want to replace it but sim says otherwise

[strong forum]

ye for pure ST that ring is pretty hot

[sour flicker]

30% is enough or should go for 40%?

[vocal harness]

Ive got my Mark of kharados myth track 623 today after 2 weeks of tokens

[strong forum]

pre-buffed thats alright

if you want to go for surv you want 20k+ haste

[sour flicker]

Yeah I want to be immortal tank for mythic raid

Dont want my friends mock me for dying 😄

[strong forum]

oh well that doesnt come from stats

raid doesnt hurt enough for stats to matter

there you go all in for dmg

[sour flicker]

Thanks

[hollow sphinx]

where can i place algari gems into? neck also?

[strong forum]

?

gems go into socket slots

wherever you have them

[tribal wharf]

still need a full raid to solo amidrasil right

NO WAY in hell im talking about soloing it

even im not that dumb

to try something that stupid

i need to run that at some point on all difficulties for the DK shared appearance helmets

[rugged berry]

Hi guys, what is the best i can take between those two ?
https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Jeanbönd

[boreal condor]

Hi, I am just starting out with prot and noticed there is a divide between the guides and what is actually played according to murlok.io
Are guides on wowhead or icy-vejns still reasonable or should I look elsewhere?

[violet ginkgo]

all we can say is murlok.io can be misleading.

[boreal condor]

That I get, because high key levels require some different talents usually

So you would say the guides are still viable and I can use them for now?

[hollow sphinx]

for sure, ye

would say so

[boreal condor]

Thanks!

[hollow sphinx]

only thing i got a question is, when do we choose vers > crit. for which keys? (as i assume its just for m+ that haste > vers > crit)

[boreal condor]

What does a warrior get defensively from crit? Is it parry like DK?

[smoky valve]

besides looking at stat prio lists, are there any resources/tools for what piece of gear I should select from vault? I got hero track tier gloves so it was an easy choice this week, but just curious for next vault.

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

[rugged berry]

thx

[mighty valley]

yes

[teal fable]

whats the best things to craft like in terms of item slot

[strong forum]

shield weapon ring wrist/belt/boots

[tribal wharf]

so............ i tried steadfast as the skies for 2 baby 5 ish keys

both times.

over 85% over heal

cant say i reccomend it, maybe high key lvl when taking tons of dmg

[woeful plover]

guys I start TWW last week and im gearing my prot warr for M+. but I saw all high rio tank switched to prot pala now. u think warr is still will be relevant? I don't wanna waste my time :(

[tribal wharf]

play what you enjoy until you meet a wall

[devout tapir]

Myth track Sacbrood or Myth track legs (I dont raid mythic on warr)

[inner oracle]

Bot are relevant, ppal is just the new fotm but what’s your end of season goal anyway? @woeful plover

[tribal zinc]

its easyer to get another legs in the vault than another S tier trinket

[hollow sphinx]

That doesn’t answer my question ;D

[woeful plover]

yeah, maybe from past experience I worry that everyone just care about what top players are doing and ignore everything else. right now, my goal is 3k, but I would like to push for title. but my usual group is not active this season, so dunno what's possible

[dusky summit]

do we want to keep going haste if were at like 20k lol

[woeful plover]

i worry that after 3k+ ppl will reject me because not fotm

i hate pugs 😅

[woeful bramble]

Do we need rend to our rotation from the moment thunder clap applies rend on targets? Or do I use rend and after that i use thunder clap?

[violet ginkgo]

how that doesn't answer your question though? nome already said it. Not vers or stat matter. It's the ilvl and how you play.

[feral tulip]

can someone explain why is that showing to me?

[violet ginkgo]

nah just a bug blizzard lazy to fix

also grats on the myth shield

[feral tulip]

[mighty valley]

Take rend off your bars, with the talent tc applies it

[edgy cairn]

Hey guys I'm new to tanking, I've looked at the top 25 players trying to figure out what stat balance I should have but they vary, super hard. lIke they stack different stats, how do I figure out what stats I need since sims don't work for tanks from what I know

[jagged pier]

u sim

because your survivbility comes from play

not stats

[chilly brook]

press buttons, stats don't matter, equip gear that robot tells you to equip for more damage, equip highest ilvl shield, profit

[regal yarrow]

@edgy cairn Do yourself a favor and ignore these people. You need haste. You don't really care about mastery too much but it's okay.

[wicked pollen]

XDDDDDD

[pallid quiver]

If you're curious, stats for survival are too close for Prot War to really care about; the only thing that can influence them as a whole is damage profiles of a fight, but even then, the sheer weight of power distributed to your defensive kit entirely pales what any secondary stat can provide to you as a benefit. As a tank looking for defensive power, the only thing you should care and look for is at defensive trinkets

which kinda suck this season, unfortunately

Haste is the best stat offensively, and also enables you eventually to use more offensive talents by removing the need for HR to maintain your main form of mitigation, Shield Block. It tangentially provides defensive power through a faster rotation, meaning more rage to cycle, but the main core of Prot War stays unchanged whether you have 0 haste or are literally hitting GCD cap.

Crit and Vers you can pick either, but with current stat caps, you pick one and stack as much of it as you can. They both provide decent defensive value, with crit entirely nullifying a percentage of abilities over time and vers passively reducing damage from every hit, but aren't anything that will save you or influence your defensive use in any meaningful way; ending up at 35% instead of 30% means nothing in the long run if a healer can bump you from 1% to 100% in 1-2 GCDs

Mastery is the "worst" stat since it provides only attack power, which isn't as good offensively as crit or vers, and half of its effect is meaningless (the raw block chance) since we have 100% effective block time anyway, but crit blocking is absurdly strong and worth warranting at least a few tangential points of mastery that you'll usually get in bis gear from cantrip items/tier pieces, traditionally. Even though it's the "worst" stat, it is still very strong

So, overall, you can literally wear any gear that's your highest ilvl and perform at a high level; people are doing those high level keys not because of their min-maxed stats, because most high end M+ players don't actually spend much time min-maxing, but are doing them because they are:

• Managing their defensive CDs around potential wipe/death points well enough to survive
• Organizing control of mobs (Interrupts/Stops/Pull sizes) in a way that's conducive to having the most damage go out and have no one die
• Play their spec well enough to have baseline mitigation covered. As long as you don't die and keep aggro, that's fine enough in the large majority of cases, especially since keys haven't really hit a hard "we can't time the key" threshold yet, even after all this time

I would not recommend Kengfa's advice, as they did not provide any context as to why to ignore the people prior, nor why you "need haste" or why you "don't really care about mastery too much"

[wicked pollen]

listen to robot

🤖

[analog solar]

I normally feel rather tanky as a prot warr, but today in SoB 8 some trash packs were hitting like crazy. I cant recall taking this much damage in there before

[pallid quiver]

It's fort week and they bleed

[wicked pollen]

every week is fort week

[pallid quiver]

Only if you're high up enough

[wicked pollen]

hi luerce

[pallid quiver]

He's below that point, so he still gets the week-to-week shock

also hi

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, that's likely your main immediate key issue are the packs with singing steel? I think is the name of the bleed. Bleed goes straight past your armor and block, so it's normally countered by tank's high ability to self heal.

which prot war don't do so good since we normally just mit damage

So you want to be careful with the packs that have access to bleed abilities or similar and defensive through, kite, or utilize CCs/Stops/etc to prevent too high of applications

[analog solar]

Yeah and there were curses increasing dmg talen, and bleeds and poison and all manner of witchcraft

[wicked pollen]

nope i just run in and kill

[analog solar]

I just dont recall it being that nasty 2 weeks ago, and my gear has improved since then.

Maybe Im just imagining things

[thick hinge]

wrecking throw should kill the entire shield for this week's affix right?

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, i just tell my team to jump the ghost girl

[jagged pier]

[thick hinge]

i put points into because they said it one shots shield, and it doesnt.

[jagged pier]

its never gunna do 14mil damage

are u joking

[pallid quiver]

just wait 'til next xpac, jakey

[woeful bramble]

Thanks for the answer! Maybe I will put spell reflect or heroic throw at this button

[jagged pier]

we get a stat squish

[pallid quiver]

;-;

[inner oracle]

You already got 800+ prot war with 3K+ rio so I guess it's a realistic goal even in full pug 🙂 especialy if you add in friendlist good & non toxic players to do more keys with relevant people

[jolly spindle]

Fellow prot warriors

when should i use this

[inner oracle]

whenever you gonna be hit by spell/magic dmg :p examples are 1st DB boss, shadow tank buster from SV Skar area, etc

[wicked pollen]

do research

🙂

[inner oracle]

and also yeah, c heck pins :p

[blazing condor]

asking on class discords does constitute research

tldr is use spell block when you take magic damage over an extended period of time

[wicked pollen]

surface level piss is barely research

[smoky anvil]

So does using the pin that links you to a spreadsheet that does it all

🙂

[wicked pollen]

check pins

[blazing condor]

its only surface level piss when you give surface level piss answers

[wicked pollen]

start planning cds

why would i give him answers when i can point him to them and let him improve as a player

[pallid quiver]

You can safely use it pretty much anytime magic damage is coming at you; almost everything that scares a tank has some kind of magic damage component to it this season and can be spell blocked. You're pretty much looking at bleeds and Ansurek feast for things that can hit you hard and can't be spell blocked

[inner oracle]

you are warriors stop using your (useless) words and start fighting in the arena pit

[dark plover]

Sounds like an angry lib to me

[pallid quiver]

As has been less than politely mentioned, there's a pin that leads to Sense's Reflectable/Blockable sheet, which tells you if an ability is spell blockable, reflectable, or not

[lofty veldt]

30 seconds is a nice cooldown

Very comfy

[sharp gale]

@wicked pollen BOOH

[wicked pollen]

BOOH FUCK THAT BITCH

[tribal wharf]

cant be that bad

[strong forum]

As dps/healer it's fun

Tank it must be kinda weirdge

[tribal wharf]

that brd raid was runaway success imo

[wicked pollen]

the bad part is making 0 prog

and perma lagging

but yesterday my guild got to 46% so im happy

[tribal wharf]

could be cool if they diud that to black temple for tbc or maybe archimonde raid

and 100% naxx 25 or ulduar for wrath

i feel like dragon soul is a good enough raid that it doesnt need major fixing

back fight probably annoying, but you get good at it and clear it

[strong forum]

Redoing every single old raid is...

No

[tribal wharf]

just the bangers

[wicked pollen]

do algalon only

[tribal wharf]

i 100% agree with you not all old raids

[strong forum]

There's 4 full expansions of old raids already playable

It's called classic

[wicked pollen]

people would still die to boom

yarp

[main walrus]

should i just take this trinket over a mythic tier piece ? as i don't have a good second trinket

[tribal wharf]

but like some raids? maybe that would be cool

if they redo wrath naxx i know everything about that place, wont die to any bosses

[pallid quiver]

actually one xpac three times and cata that's playable, since BC/WotLK servers got shot

[tribal wharf]

naxx was so fucking good raid 3.0

[lofty warren]

omg we have been demoted on m+ wowhead tier list

[tribal wharf]

even ICC was really good raid, mostly

[thick hinge]

pallys are too hard for the average pug to play.

[tribal wharf]

i think they should strongly strongly consider re-adding a vault of archavon raid

onyxia

something you go in and you kill 1-3 raid bosses in an hour

[strong forum]

No

Pick armor

[tribal wharf]

nope, also if you have a myth shield, open as fury

so you dont see those bad defensive trinkets

[lofty warren]

Not gonna lie I think they should make mythic raid flex size and allow for it to be queued into. Ain't nobody got time for schedules

[tribal wharf]

yes, but

it will lead to 24/7 circusmusic.mp3

[pastel sleet]

can someone walk me through the crafted ring cheese im hearing about?

[crystal mauve]

This is why heroic exist 🙂

[lofty warren]

Even heroic you gave to waist time going into a group. Tbh I don't even want to raid I just want gear

And they know that nobody will raid if good gear can be gotten elsewhere so that's why they lock it before big time waste experience

[ornate thicket]

@pastel sleet
Craft ring with wrong missive. Equip the ring both slots.
Log out. Log back in
Recraft ring to the correct missive. Equip both slots.
Log out. Log back in and should be good.

[dark plover]

Craft a ring without an missive, recraft the ring with a missive from a different crafter and u can upgrade your other ring for free crests to 636

No need to log out

[fresh igloo]

What embelishment should I use for crafted weapon? Wowhead/icyveins say Elemental Focusing Lens but I'm not sure if it's the best non-armor one

[tribal wharf]

i wonder how many if any ppl who are JC are irl JC and they made own ring for proposal

literal 0.01% of ppl but, i think something like that would be cool if it did happen

i mean the one that it clearly seems like item you make for you and partner

[ocean finch]

Hey! Do people do high keys with the recommended Thane builds shown in protection-faq and on wowhead?

Or is there some changes that need to be made once you go above +12?

[tribal wharf]

both are fine, some people are reporting they thing they need to go col to do more dmg

someone came in asking if he should go col for a 12, he felt he wasnt dealing enough dmg, and lots of players playing prot paladin due to its dmg output

[ocean finch]

Is there just a personal difference or are you for example more squishy as col vs thane?

[tribal wharf]

you dont gain as much rage, so you have to play precisely as colosus

[pallid quiver]

You're 100% more squish as Colossus

Since you get less rage to cycle

[ocean finch]

This is just an alt for me and I enjoy prot warr alot, so I dont care if I do worse dmg as a prot pala

[pallid quiver]

You can easily do 15s as the recommended Thane build based on the last logs I've personally seen, and I wager you could keep going up to even like 18s no prob

[ocean finch]

AIght, then I just go with recommended build and switch out Ravager for BSV once I feel I need it

[ornate thicket]

Your dmg will be more than adequate if using cds on cd

[tribal wharf]

for high key, you need all the dmg u can get, hidden dmg included, ( i mean doing things correctly so dps has 100% uptime on dps stuff and doesnt have to spend many gcd's doing its DR abilities (dps loss))

[pallid quiver]

Some people do opt to grab BSV instead of Ravager, but a lot of those people aren't dedicated Prot mains who are used to how Prot's defensive CDs cycle

[ocean finch]

But we play spear 100% as thane, we dont go Roar?

[fresh igloo]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/mm+

[tardy abyss]

You never need BSV if you know the dungeon

Unless you do a pull that is batshit insane

[ocean finch]

truee

[tardy abyss]

But if something goes wrong in a pull your dps will always die before you do

[tribal wharf]

steadfast as the peaks = total scam

[pallid quiver]

You'd eventually need it due to infinite scaling of keys, but by the time you reach there, it's quite likely the party hasn't been able to survive for multiple key levels

[tribal wharf]

did 2 +5's and both of them 86 and 82% over healing

10 m healing in 1 , not sure in second

[pallid quiver]

That being said, it's literally not the worst thing in the world to grab BSV. It's fine

[ocean finch]

Thank you guys btw for nice and quick answers! 🙂

[strong forum]

you play roar if you dont have any crit on your gear or you simply arent good enough to get benefit from the crit dmg amp

[lofty warren]

If you block a hit then does that just mean you take 35% less damage?

[strong forum]

no

its based on your shield ilvl

it can vary from 40% all the way to 85%

critblock is 2x block

if you have a myth ilvl shield block should be around 50% with 5 bfi stacks in m+

[lofty warren]

Is that block % or dr % once you get a block?

[strong forum]

dr%

[pallid quiver]

Block % is chance to block, which doesn't matter for prot war

[lofty warren]

I have the 636 crafted shield

[pallid quiver]

since we can guarantee block chance

Also, iirc, spell block crit blocks can go past the 85% cap still

[lofty warren]

So if you guarantee block with 636 shield then dr = 50%? Not sure what bfi stacks are

[strong forum]

you have 5 stacks at all times unless youre completely trolling and play entirely wrong

it increases SS dmg and Block value

[pallid quiver]

Brace for Impact

if you don't press SS at least once per 16 seconds, you are throwing so impossibly hard I don't know how you function on this spec

[jagged pier]

i miss guarenting crit block

[lofty warren]

Oh yea just pushing slam will give you stacks

[pallid quiver]

i miss being happy and excited about the world

I really peaked at 2 years old smh

[lofty warren]

If you get a magic dot and then you press spell block, can you block the dot damage?

[pallid quiver]

Depends

100% depends on if Blizz says you can or not

The initial hit and dot are generally different spells, so you can even be unable to block the initial hit, but can block the dot (This happens with Kyveza in current raid)

[lofty warren]

Not consistent? 😦

[pallid quiver]

nope

Blizz has even changed whether a dot is blockable or not before; Sark in Aberrus had his dot originally unable to be blocked, but they made it able to be blocked since it was dramatically affecting Prot War worse than other tanks

[strong forum]

same goes for the dot on kyveza