protection

[oak ivy]

@queen oasis

[plush tendon]

it depends on what your looking for

I have a 639 1h and a crafted shield

so like, Id rather get good trinkets in my vault

and not tank trinkets

[queen oasis]

perfect! thanks all

[lone hearth]

Does anyone know why emergency stop keychain is listed as bis for us when mastery is kinda bad?

[strong forum]

only neck with haste from m+

[cyan bronze]

haste necks this tier are doomer af

[lime mantle]

Question: Wouldn't crafting a 636 neck be better or the 3 ilvls of sorta badstat+good stat beat double good stat?
I assume "More ilvl more better good"

[cyan bronze]

could

sim it

[mighty valley]

no stats are bad stats

[cyan bronze]

you are also unlikely to get 639 key chain

specifically, at least

[sharp gale]

as much you are unlikely to get ara 639

[cyan bronze]

correct, yes

but you’re also less likely to take key chain in a vault with other good things

like a 639 sac

[sharp gale]

like sim the vault that's it

[lone hearth]

I’m conflicted lol

[tall egret]

Brothers and sistas im thinking either meat hook or Egg what do yall think

[lone hearth]

🥚

[sharp gale]

i jump in the air if that fucking ring drops, i play fury in raid

i gave up on farming grim

[tall egret]

Yeah im a stand behind me my friends

this is not even my main either and I get better vaults on here then my main :((

[zealous goblet]

is this an event accessory?

i dont recall seeing this ever

[sharp gale]

@tribal wharf

[fallow hinge]

its from grim batol

[tall egret]

we wen the egg ^^

[zealous goblet]

it's not on the bis list at all

or even the tier list

[mystic radish]

Would you upgrade crafted items (especially sword) or items first? O:

[sharp gale]

deathray had throngus hater or smth in his name since release i think lol

[sharp gale]

you have absolute 0 myth track piece ?

[mystic radish]

shoudler -.-

[sharp gale]

yes except shoulders

[mystic radish]

but nah not on this char x:

[sharp gale]

well you have 810-75 crest to fuck around that you will never be able to spend on myth track, do whatever you want

and -90 since you already crafted the shield

the cap is so high, you will get only 1 myth track per week (so 75 crest you need to upgrade it) you can "waste" crests

[tribal wharf]

i removed that part of my discord name for now

i thought the question would stop lol

[sharp gale]

reformed

[mystic radish]

But getting embelishments up first is not needed?

[dusky fable]

do i take myth track trinket or do i go the cape

[tropic tangle]

they don't scale with ilvl in TWW

so embel on 606 is the same as embel on 636

[mystic radish]

Oh ok so chest first woudl be "better"

[sharp gale]

on my warrior i'm 630, my wrist embellished are still 619 since i dont care about upgrading wrists yet

[wooden spruce]

Hi! need some help to decide, void pacstone or transmitter? Sim both of them and its a 2k dps difference at the same ilvl (got crests to upgrade them)

[mystic radish]

Do you want to move around as tank for transmitter buff? X:

[cyan bronze]

have you seen how much stat that shit gives you

ill do any number of things

[strong forum]

id take the neck if your dont already have

[cyan bronze]

it’s also predictive

it always spawns in the same spot

[strong forum]

transmitter is way better but its just a normal one or

[cyan bronze]

so you can actually leap out and then use it and then take it

[mystic radish]

yeah but in a huge pull you still gotta turn so it properly spawns to collect

[cyan bronze]

and pack barely moved

[dusky fable]

have neck

[cyan bronze]

you also can do it on prepull

[strong forum]

then trinket

[cyan bronze]

the idea is you leap back left of your current position

[dusky fable]

is skyshard good with the mastery?

[cyan bronze]

and then it spawns front right of you

[strong forum]

its one of the best trinkets to get ye

[cyan bronze]

where you were standing

[dusky fable]

okay ill pray for cape in raid

❤️

[cyan bronze]

i do agree that it can be janky but it’s so much damage

and besides

just get the jump one every time

[wooden spruce]

so..transmitter it is?

[wooden spruce]

or should i go with void thing?

[cyan bronze]

is it normal or heroic

transmitter

[cyan bronze]

why did you post this twice man

shit is grainier than my rice bowl

[wooden spruce]

heroic

void pacstone is simming higher and it replaces the passive trinket im using (wich is garbage)

[muted arch]

Would you guys drop crests on this or wait for silkran helm? 4/8M so clear it weekly

Silkran helm is haste/versa

[grave perch]

https://i.imgur.com/RKAK5mq.png this or this

[strong forum]

rare neck

[zealous goblet]

mr nome where would you rank this trinket

it ain't even on the tier list

[cyan bronze]

good for vdh

[molten ermine]

for a char I mostly only m+ with: hero track rashanan cloak or myth track gloves from vault?

[cyan bronze]

it’s like 10% dodge iirc

[strong forum]

for a reason

[cyan bronze]

and it’s proc is annoying

[strong forum]

gloves

[molten ermine]

is the rare cloak not great?

[strong forum]

its not special

it just has good stats

but its only 626

[violet ginkgo]

Good for bear too maybe?

[cyan bronze]

well…

bear can’t loot it

🙂

[strong forum]

[cyan bronze]

bear only has dodge

the trinket requires you to have dodge parry, dodge block, etc

to be able to loot

[strong forum]

xdd

youre right

its not on the loot table LOL

[cyan bronze]

🙂

fun stuff right?

[molten ermine]

fair - i guess ilvl trumps the proc. thanks for the advice.

[cyan bronze]

bear also doesn’t have high enough dodge to make good usage of the trinket

[violet ginkgo]

By normal not able to loot, but still can trade up to heroic level if teammate loot

[cyan bronze]

vdh, and conceivably bdk do

stacking parry and dodge=dodgege

[violet ginkgo]

But yeah the dodge too low reason is valid.

[cyan bronze]

the trinket also fucking blows ass

I have it on vdh and it’s prob best used there, and I never equip it

It’s only real guaranteed value is the first pull of the dungeon

[violet ginkgo]

So bear playstyle is just eat the attacks? Only a bit of dodge to free mitigate?

[cyan bronze]

As it’s on a 1 min near guaranteed proc cd, you proc it a lot in useless times

[cyan bronze]

iron fur is a lot of physical mit

and they have a lot of cds to rotate

aswell as quite a bit of self healing

[violet ginkgo]

Oh yeah but that is taking damage aka no free parry/dodge

[bitter zealot]

2515 io not a big io but got removed from an 8 pug cause "io isn't good enough"

[cyan bronze]

they have some dodge

it’s from crit

[verbal viper]

does anyone know how to find out the different specs actions per minute in a typical M+ dungeon? looking at the tanks specifically, but dps would be fun to see too

[violet ginkgo]

Some but not enough I believe? Plus from icy I read they go haste vers.

[cyan bronze]

about as much as warrior? iirc?

maybe bit less

[cyan bronze]

all 4 stats are very similar

you want a pretty rough mix of all 4

[fiery gale]

anyone else feel like pugging 10s was way easier a month ago?

[cyan bronze]

worse players are doing them now

likely

[winged oar]

does anyone know if the nerubar finery damage % is taken away from your log?

[jagged pier]

Thats because it was all those players are now doing 13-15s in pugs

And 10s are full with boosted ppl

[tawny current]

I couldn't find it within my soul to push at the start of the season, and, as a result, I've seen some of the most cursed gameplay you could conceive of

[alpine adder]

fury loot spec for great vault? I feel like prot has been trash for me the past few weeks

[fiery gale]

thats exactly my feeling doing some pug 10s on alts lmao

like wtf these people suck

[cyan bronze]

Everyone sucks at some level

[fiery gale]

sure but i cant even progress on my alt without doing my own keys it seems xd

and inviting people i can trust

I had this disc priest on a COT 10 that let every DPS player die on every aoe style ability

needless to say he didnt pass third boss HPS check

[fiery gale]

or some 620 enhancer doing 800k DPS overall

Dude literally playing the most OP DPS class 10 ilvl away from what is maximally attainable currently and doing less than half the possible DPS

[sharp gale]

10s are harder now because people do their weeklies in 12s now

[fiery gale]

nah that doesnt even make sense

to do

[sharp gale]

no affixes, mist is still as easy as 10

[fiery gale]

the affixes are free stat boost though

[sharp gale]

yes but you can filter more bad players by just doing a 12

[regal yarrow]

yeah nobody is doing their weeklies in 12s. You still have a 1 in 5 chance of getting a group that can even time a 12.

[fiery gale]

yeah

[sharp gale]

you know people do 12s to reroll their key

[regal yarrow]

How else would you reroll it?

[fiery gale]

I just need 2 gilded for a craft, gonna join some 8 now lmao

I feel like 8 is currently the pug farm key than can reliably be timed

anything else is rng

[sharp gale]

in 12 you can more easily 2 chest it and return on your 14s push

[regal yarrow]

Yeah so how else are they going to reroll it? Why do the 13 to get the 14, when they can 2 chest the 12 reliably? It's not like individuals are doing that. They're doing it in groups of 3, that know for sure they're going to be able to 2 chest it no matter who they bring with.

[fiery gale]

I mean im not talking about dedicated premade groups here, just pugging

[sharp gale]

yes pugging, it's just good players don't vault fill in 10s that much anymore

[fiery gale]

doubt tbh

but currently thers just too many people in the 10s pool who do prog on them

and they screw the people trying to quickly do their vault with it

[sharp gale]

tbh i don't really understand, on my hunt i do my own key, i started this week on him i timed all 10 in 1-2 days

[fiery gale]

yeah I should play my own keys more on my alts

currently having SOB on my warr though and i just hate that dungeon

need to reroll

[sharp gale]

my hunt has almost the same vault as my warrior main, 3 myth 10, 1 raid Myth, my warrior has just 1 more raid myth slot. I just played this weekend my hunt it's not like i destroy the game on him

[dusky canopy]

I tossed a shield on for the first time in like 2 years and tanked weekly 10s with the guildies last week

[fiery gale]

gearing is quite fast on alts yeah

[dusky canopy]

I don’t think people are doing 12s for weekly’s lol

[fiery gale]

my pally hit 80 like a week ago and is already 620

[sharp gale]

they vault fill by pushing, even on alts with 620+ ilvl you can start to vault fill just from pushing

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s fair to say

Plenty of weeks are like that for me too

Fill vault chasing score

[sharp gale]

like with mordrim's alt we will start to go higher than 10s when he is 610-615 ilvl

[tribal wharf]

finished with t2 now, that was fast

[chilly brook]

I was filling my vault while pushing score early on in the xpac, obviously not doing that anymore cuz getting into anything 11 and above as non meta even if your score is high is aids

[brittle owl]

alot of filling of things nowadays

[dusky canopy]

So true

No way I’m spending 6 hours in que to not run a single key

Lmao

[sharp gale]

Don’t worry one day brew will be meta

[fiery gale]

true unless big score though

[sharp gale]

[chilly brook]

so real

Like honestly I enjoy doing dungeons this season

but the whole "not playing the game" thing is killing my motivation to play

[quaint sinew]

having trouble deciding on my vault, i gotta myth crit haste ring, or myth tier legs

[fiery gale]

same, but pugging lowish keys at this point became hilarious

too many boosted people and idiots

like 3 phasing first boss mists in an 8

shamans sending elemental in first pull SV etc

just braindead

[chilly brook]

The irony is even with a main score of like 2700+ on my 624 evoker (even applying as aug) getting into 11s is like omegalul

[sharp gale]

Yes for 20 min I tried to tag in keys with my hunt, I realized it was a no no

[jagged gust]

I ran a 10 NW last night and we had 3 abominations up at once on the third boss, my healer was crying

[chilly brook]

I'm surprised you got to 3 tbh

[jagged gust]

Me doing 950k, 2 dks doing 1mil, I'm not sure these boys understand the concept of "cleave"

[chilly brook]

Had some dude reply to me with something along the lines of "I'm not going to invite someone who only has a 9 for this dungeon" meanwhile I'm like "do you not see the main score?"

[mild bough]

should i take a myth sureki insignia to replace a myth emergency stop keychain, or a myth chest tier to replace hero chest tier?

[chilly brook]

me not being able to do anything but cleave

[chilly brook]

take the neck, you're far less likely to have another opportunity at it

myth chest has a much higher chance of being in vault or raid

[nocturne zodiac]

what's up team! myth track shield (have crafted 636) vs. myth ceaseless swarmguard(probably not this) vs. heroic swarmlords authority.

probably shield huh?

[chilly brook]

shield

[jagged gust]

shield

[chilly brook]

if you have ilvl left to take on shield always shield

[mild bough]

great thanks

[nocturne zodiac]

tyty

[chilly brook]

Plus it's far more haste than the other neck anyways

[jagged gust]

Swarmlord is nice is you're really struggling with your haste, though

But it's damage is beyond atrocious

[chilly brook]

I mean sureki neck is a free like 3500-4k haste I think over keychain

might not be that drastic but keychain is low stat budget haste while sureki neck is like almost all haste and sub 1k crit

[jagged gust]

nah you're right

myth sureki is something like a 4k 3k haste upgrade

[grim pilot]

yday's raid was good I'm still not a fan of this trinket but 3% tanks dps in keys wont make or break a key

[tardy abyss]

Just like that shield won't make or break a key

[grim pilot]

I'm running 626 shield in 15's and I dont have survi issues

[tardy abyss]

Ye that's why dps trinkets are just the way to go

[fresh pilot]

Anyone here strong ins wow logs.. what ever i do, it just sais the log contains no fights

[grim pilot]

if I ever break a perfect key with 0 deaths and group that has good dps purely to the timer I'll just reroll ppal for more dps

so far my 3% dps wouldn't change anything in any key so far on itself so I'm not worried

[jagged gust]

Do you have advanced combat log enabled?

[fresh pilot]

yeah think i figured it out, didnt realize i had to do /combatlog ingame as well..

[cyan bronze]

its despair

ppal has best dmg

and brez

and group survability

: (

[jagged gust]

and better mogs

[cyan bronze]

ok buddy

im all for doomerism not capperism

oh & best cc

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-cheese-gif-27302051

[fiery gale]

costs holy power though

[cyan bronze]

fuck I didn’t think bout that

[fiery gale]

even 3, sometimes not worth lol

[cyan bronze]

true tbh

[fiery gale]

Like do u really wanna bres that shitty DPS or do another shield of the righteous hitting for like 5m?

[cyan bronze]

prot pal might do more dmg with that 3 holy power

than a dps will, unironically

[jagged gust]

Any decent way other than radiant echoes to farm flightstones? I may have used all 2000 last week upgrading my speed set and now need another 1200 for a new weapon >.>

[marble night]

sometimes i find myself in keys, when i finally build 8 stacks to get violent outburst, not having the spell off cd that i want to use (SS for ST TC/TB for aoe). Especially for ST i try to fish for a SS reset with either auto attack or revenge. However sometimes im just stuck there waiting for SS or TC/TB cooldown to finish. In those situations is it still a net positive dps gain to wait for the right spell to use Violent outburst on? or just send SS in aoe/TC in ST to keep the rythym going and to be doing something at all

not sure if that all makes sense

[jagged gust]

VO requires you to think ahead before it actually procs, which is where something like nomer's 240 rage usage tracker comes in handy

[cyan bronze]

yea

you can have a vo proc

and not have it be full

ie: 6 stacks of it, full rage bar, you have a vo proc

[jagged gust]

If you find yourself spamming revenge 3 times in a row to proc SS with TC off cd, you're better off just taking the L and working towards your next outburst

[rancid tiger]

Do prot warriors do 1m overalls in keys?

Just had a prot pala do that in a sv

Im shit at prot war.but im closer do 650

[scarlet stone]

I'm doing 1m on my 606ilvl ppal.

war does 1m easily

[last pebble]

why did i only get a heroic piece in vault if i did an 11 last week?

[fiery gale]

sure, not unrealistic

[rancid tiger]

Easily is deffo a lie

[fiery gale]

prot pally can do much more

[scarlet stone]

a lie?

[fiery gale]

with big pulls etc

[scarlet stone]

press thunderclap

press it again

[last pebble]

my 606 warr does 650k overall lol

[rancid tiger]

Ye.im prob.bout 610 in tank gear

[scarlet stone]

If you have a hard time reaching that than you're not pressing enough buttons and/or pulling too small.

[fiery gale]

hes 610

1m is a bit of a stretch

[rancid tiger]

Prob is shield and weap is 598

[scarlet stone]

Then why are you saying easily is a lie?

When you have no gear

[rancid tiger]

Well coz its not easy if u need 630

[scarlet stone]

You're essentially still leveling.

[jagged gust]

prot pal does ~15% more damage based off the top performers, so just reduce that damage accordingly

[rancid tiger]

Ok, thats a decent outlier🫡

[scarlet stone]

You're not even max level dude, you get 613 with 0 crests and 0 stones by doing mythic+ 8.

[fiery gale]

tbh i feel like its more

coulc be 30%

[rancid tiger]

626 in dps geae

[fiery gale]

just based on feelings with my 625 warr and 620 ppal though

[jagged gust]

it is, it's actually more like 20% if you look at the .1%ers

[rancid tiger]

And still havent had a prot war go above 1m in 10s

[fiery gale]

God i hate that i started this season on guaridan druid, that mf is 630 and useless

[rancid tiger]

🥲

[jagged gust]

our main tank, who has mained protpal since SL, swapping to bear this season

dude cries in my ears every raid night lmao

[rancid tiger]

He forgot

[scarlet stone]

ours swapped off ppal because of start of season

[rancid tiger]

Pala is mc they get buffed if bad

[fiery gale]

RIP

[agile trout]

I main a dh(around 2600) looking for alts because it’s that time in the season. Have both prot war and prot pally… this may be biased given the channel but any thoughts?

[fiery gale]

just doing exactly one weekly 10 for him

doesnt deserve more, disappointed

[jagged gust]

Yeah we really needed vers buff and weren't taking any resto druids at season start, so he bit the bullet and the bullet bit back

[rancid tiger]

Do u just pug?

[muted arch]

Would u guys drop crests on this or wait for silkran helm? 5/8M so clear it weekly

Silkran helm is haste/vers

[cyan bronze]

idk I genuinely care so little about prot pally being meta

[scarlet stone]

I mean bear is still 2nd best raid tank and 3rd best m+ tank

[cyan bronze]

warrior is good enough for near r1 level keys

[scarlet stone]

not exactly sure how that bites you

[cyan bronze]

let alone title keys

and you do not have to play prot pally when playing prot warrior

no one ever considers that part about prot war

[scarlet stone]

11 out of the top 11 tanks rerolled from prot warrior to prot paladin. Do with that information what you will.

[cyan bronze]

[rancid tiger]

Combat ress

[muted arch]

When did prot pal become meta? Ive been away for abit

[cyan bronze]

11.0.5

it steadily got buffed thru 11.0

and then a rework

[muted arch]

Are they less squishy now?

[scarlet stone]

(1 was a bear, 10 were warrior)

[cyan bronze]

literally the same exact thing that happened

[grim pilot]

most importantly

they have insane damage output

[cyan bronze]

in s1 dragonflight

[grim pilot]

20% higher than any other tank

[scarlet stone]

No

[grim pilot]

in keys

[scarlet stone]

it's not the damage

[rancid tiger]

Both are good, pala are a bit bettrt and have more cc

[grim pilot]

u think war cant survive the keys ppal is doing?

xd

[cyan bronze]

the dmg, and shield kick

and group util

[rancid tiger]

Shield kick is so good

[cyan bronze]

but genuinely

[grim pilot]

shield kick lets them play disc priest

thats kinda it

[cyan bronze]

idc im not playing that shit

[grim pilot]

and disc priest is more damage

so more dmg from ppal, more dmg from disc

[rancid tiger]

U dont have to at all😁

[cyan bronze]

i would rather play brm in its current state than play prot pal

[grim pilot]

thanks I played ppal

[scarlet stone]

cool

Then why are you stupid enough

to think it's because of the damage?

[cyan bronze]

is the overheal thing on ppal good @grim pilot

[grim pilot]

no clue havent dove in so much

[scarlet stone]

The damage contribution from both tanks is the same.

[grim pilot]

keep yapping about util

every time

[cyan bronze]

because util = dmg

[grim pilot]

meta shifts

:xdd

fucking hell

every season same talk

clueless

[scarlet stone]

?

[cyan bronze]

util literally equates to dmg

[scarlet stone]

What the fucking are you yapping about

[grim pilot]

you spouting shit

[scarlet stone]

Like

[rancid tiger]

Comp is comp i guess as said prot pala lets u bring other healer so more dmg for grp

[scarlet stone]

Genuinely clueless mf.

[cyan bronze]

fax

[tardy abyss]

And ppal does significantly more damage

Not just a bit

[rancid tiger]

Doesnt mean warrior bad at all

[tardy abyss]

lol

[cyan bronze]

shield kick is good but the benefit of it is you run disc

disc is more dmg

the util gain from it directly translates to a group dmg gain

[scarlet stone]

The damage from prot paladin and prot warrior in a group IS THE SAME after battle shout. THE KICKS let you bring a disc, which brings PI and more utility.

The overall* damage of ppal has nothing to do with it

[tardy abyss]

Battle shout does not make up for that damage

Not even close

[scarlet stone]

The BURST can be meaningful

[cyan bronze]

you are strawmanning

but yeah

[scarlet stone]

That's not what a strawman is

[cyan bronze]

idk idc im not playing prot pal

[agile trout]

Yeah basically just PUG

[rancid tiger]

U arent zen

[cyan bronze]

im playing what im finding fun as long as its good enough to do title keys without wanting to rip my hair out

[agile trout]

I’ll be honest the warrior feels a little more intuitive to me and mobile with leap and a couple types of charge

[rancid tiger]

Make pala

[cyan bronze]

think most people should follow suit

[rancid tiger]

If u pug having more interrupts

Save keys

[cyan bronze]

people optimize the fun out of the game to still be bad

if u like ppal u should reroll to it sure

[scarlet stone]

We're not talking about going from warrior to bear.

[rancid tiger]

He was askkn for alt

[cyan bronze]

ok but is anyone playing bear having fun.

real talk

[scarlet stone]

ppal gameplay is very similar to warrior in terms of apm, damage is higher, and you get utility and more agency in your key with kicks and sacs.

[cyan bronze]

i just hate it

it’s the one tank idk or care to play

[scarlet stone]

But we're not talking about bear which people find boring. We're talking about going from warrior (subjective fun) to palading (subjective fun)

[tardy abyss]

Is anyone playing ppal for fun tho

It feels like dogshit

[rancid tiger]

I guess ppl that loves shielda

[cyan bronze]

ye and if you find ppal fun you should play it but I don’t think most people here are doing keys where you couldn’t tank it on fdk

[tardy abyss]

Fair I guess

[cyan bronze]

lmfao

[scarlet stone]

both higher apm, while the ppal is both doing more damage which people relate to fun, and they have more ways to solo carry a key which people relate to fun.

[rancid tiger]

I still think pala i has nice visual feedback on spels

[cyan bronze]

so ultimately, it doesn’t really matter for most people outside of fun

[tardy abyss]

From what Ive heard barely any ppal uses their utility, even in 14s

[scarlet stone]

So trying to say you think people shouldn't reroll paladin because warrior is more fun

[tardy abyss]

Or even kill their group

[scarlet stone]

bit of a stretch

[rancid tiger]

As tank u get invites no matter what u play at 2600 rio

[tardy abyss]

Nah, some guildies run keys 24/7 and they keep complaining about them

[cyan bronze]

i think people shouldn’t reroll to the meta because they’re not playing at a level where the meta is even a factor in their failure

are there exceptions? ofc

[rancid tiger]

That is often a fact, play what u like if u arent going for 0.001 rii

Rio

[scarlet stone]

That's perfectly fair. But also in this case ppal does help even more in lower end gameplay even just due to the incidental kicks.

[rancid tiger]

Unless theres a tank theres like bear was in sl🤣

Where u were near immortal

[scarlet stone]

It WOULD objectively help bad players clear more keys, because the lower you go the worse kicks are to begin with.

[cyan bronze]

sure but at that point just learning to play the game would be a better way to spend your time than rerolling

difference in perspective I suppose

[scarlet stone]

Would you? L2P takes more than 24 hours.

reroll takes 24 hours

[rancid tiger]

As said prot pala can save more keys

In pugs

[cyan bronze]

is it that short

to get a char to 630

[rancid tiger]

U cant learn pugs to play😅

[scarlet stone]

Learning how to play the game at a higher level? Generally takes people weeks of genuinely approaching the game with the intent to improve.

if not months

[cyan bronze]

most people have never learned to play the game tho

most people could learn a LOT in 24 hours if they actually spent it learning

and not face ramming keys

[rancid tiger]

If they bothered to learn why it failed and why it didnt

[cyan bronze]

even setting up a good way to record and review runs would be good

[rancid tiger]

Its hard though. Most ppl dont notice they be carried

[scarlet stone]

You're skipping the step these people are fucking up the most to begin with

it's not kicks and stuns and routes

it's rotation

[rancid tiger]

Sadly

Yes

[cyan bronze]

and that can be learned in 24 hours of dummy sitting

[scarlet stone]

It's tanks doing 250k dps at 620ilvl

no it can't

[cyan bronze]

100% can

[rancid tiger]

Its dps under pressure

That ppl struggle with

[cyan bronze]

I guess yeah

[scarlet stone]

As someone who is used to the game from 25 years of playing it, sure.

[cyan bronze]

people just freak out for no reason

[scarlet stone]

But as a newer player?

It takes weeks to actually get decent at a rotation and start building up muscle memory.

[rancid tiger]

25? More like hmm 20

[cyan bronze]

i don’t agree with this entirely

[rancid tiger]

Keep in mind u arent good at

Wa's

[cyan bronze]

I think a big problem for a lot of people

is they create new binding maps

for every toon

[scarlet stone]

It's taken my GF, who is a relatively good gamer who has been playing games for decades but hasn't played WoW since MoP, until now to start reaching purple parses. She's been hitting dummies every single night.

[cyan bronze]

like my stops and cds and such are bound to the same keys across every char

[scarlet stone]

A serious approach to improvement

has taken weeks

[cyan bronze]

maybe im biased idk

[rancid tiger]

If u play at a high lvl as tank

[scarlet stone]

WITH the guidance of someone who's been playing WoW for decades and parses 99.9

[cyan bronze]

like genuinely I could be out of touch maybe wow is harder than I give it credit it for

[rancid tiger]

Yes u can switch tank and learn it fasr

But as he said avg gamer

[cyan bronze]

i suppose ye

[shell granite]

hey Guys im looking to speed through some + 8s does anyone have a prot warrior build built full dmg

[cyan bronze]

ig im out of touch with normals

[rancid tiger]

Try quitting fpr 2 years

[cyan bronze]

idk i learned dotc full cat weaving rotation which is probably the most complex tank rotation atm in like

[rancid tiger]

And stsrting up without all shit

[cyan bronze]

12 hours of just sitting on dummies

and then ironed out anything else within a week

[scarlet stone]

Because you already have muscle memory and foundational knowledge of CD timings.

[cyan bronze]

ye that’s true

[scarlet stone]

dotc rotation is also a joke let's be real

[cyan bronze]

full cat weaving has a nice level of complexity to it

[scarlet stone]

press rake rip mangle, once every 24-40s

[cyan bronze]

it’s every swipe you shift

you’re describing rip weaving

[scarlet stone]

Now RESTO druid weaving

THAT'S some complex shit

[cyan bronze]

cat weaving refers to interchanging bear form fillers with cat form fillers as they do a bit more(as well as a few aas differential stuffs)

but idk it was relatively simplistic to me aswell

[scarlet stone]

Mostly only due to the sheer volume of keys required.

in rdu's case

[rancid tiger]

Ye a good resto dmg vs a bad was madness

[cyan bronze]

im actually unfamiliar w rdruid weaving

to a high level at least

[scarlet stone]

You need full rdu hotkeys and full cat hotkeys with 30 macros.

[tribal wharf]

i think if i had to do any shapeshift weaving as healer druid it would have to be boomkin for me

[cyan bronze]

i just know it’s vaguely keep dots up, but it seemed aids

[tribal wharf]

makes more sense at least

[cyan bronze]

i see mattiu talk about it

and

i don’t have happy thoughts.

[tribal wharf]

moonkin also gets amped by spell dmg

[scarlet stone]

I enjoy it a lot

[cyan bronze]

tbh I think brewmaster rotation

is prob the most complex

with stuff like blackout combo

but im only mildly familiar with brew, from my experience on beta and s3, aswell as talking w Kate

[scarlet stone]

but my GF tried rolling resto druid before swapping to enh shaman and I told her it wouldn't be fun lol. Just too many keys for a new player to wrap their hand around.

[cyan bronze]

i will say tho, the brewmaster tc guys

[scarlet stone]

idk I haven't played brew since Legion

[cyan bronze]

are probably some of the smartest guys on wow

[fiery gale]

didnt they dumb BRM down? Actually no idea what is the state of BRM, I mained it in BFA for M+ though

was really nice

[cyan bronze]

idk tbh

i love brew

it’s very easy in keys where you don’t take dmg tho

idk how it feels in hard keys

idk spec just feels like hit bok rsk and ks

clear stagger

stonks

it’s what I did most of my beta keys on

[fiery gale]

back in BFA it even had big heals

[cyan bronze]

still does

[fiery gale]

i did a break from BFA to TWW

[cyan bronze]

idk the only tank I genuinely dislike is ppal

and blood i dont super love

the rest are pog in some way

[fiery gale]

its quite nice tbh, this season is the first season im playing shield tanks. Before only leather (DH, bear, brew)

Really enjoying ppal and pwarr

[cyan bronze]

warrior was the only one I didn’t know until this season

i think warriors core rotation is the most satisfying

[fiery gale]

imo warrior is very satisfying, just feels good to see your HP bar barely move

[cyan bronze]

i like violent outburst incredibly so

[fiery gale]

what I like about pally is big dmg that it, if they nerf the damage its probbaly dead for me

[cyan bronze]

warrior has probably the best feedback loop

do core rotation right generate rage

and you win

[scarlet stone]

idk violent outburst feels like a big let down

[cyan bronze]

like coming from a vdh main

[brave jackal]

Charge in, intervene someone, charge back in, leap to the other pack, it’s great 🤣

[scarlet stone]

I never optimize using it at all and just press button, using a large amount on TC ST

and do 1.1m overall in keys

[cyan bronze]

rage feels so good on war compared to fury

[scarlet stone]

doing 14+

[cyan bronze]

it’s a fun mini game

[fiery gale]

herlo leap is nice

[cyan bronze]

also

warrior mobility>>>vdh mobility

[scarlet stone]

It's just no impact

[fiery gale]

pally was about to get holy leap, a hero leap copy paste

[cyan bronze]

ye ig

avatar tb roar vo does a lot I guess

that’s one thing I like alor

[scarlet stone]

I only have negative feedback from violent outburst, when Ia ccidentaly use it on a normal thunder clap.

[cyan bronze]

you can save a vo from last pack to instant tb next

[scarlet stone]

but it makes 0 difference

[cyan bronze]

feels nice compared to vdh threat

[fiery gale]

tbh on my pwarr i just have avatar macrod to TC, getting >50% avatar uptime in keys

[cyan bronze]

but yeah, I haven’t played enough warrior to know if it actually matters to what degree

also avatar is a nice cd idk

i thought it would feel useless

but the rage gen is noticeable

but also maybe just placebo

[scarlet stone]

the BIG thing going for pwar is avatar having such a short cooldown

[cyan bronze]

also

[brave jackal]

The aggro controls it gives when tc avatar tc is enough for me when pulling large pack

[scarlet stone]

Going from pwar avatar being up multiple times a pack, to bear only having it up every 3 packs and having absolutely no threat outside of incarn...

[cyan bronze]

prot war has really nice talent variability

[scarlet stone]

but ppal has the same thing

[cyan bronze]

vdh you literally do not have a flex point with felscarred on spec tree

lmao

you can play roar or spear theoretically

there’s like 3 bsv builds

[ashen owl]

yo. This may be random, but does anyone have a WeakAura that tracks when Battle Scarred Veteran is active? Ideally with a pog SSJ Son Goku icon ?

[brave jackal]

I had bear 2nd favorite after protwar this season, now prot pal is becoming the main alt

[cyan bronze]

idk it’s nice

[fiery gale]

its trur for ppal and pwarr, you can change talents based on needs for dungeon. If you look at guardian druid, its always same build because any change is worse

shit tree

[cyan bronze]

idk i really like warrior

[scarlet stone]

pwar barely has talent variance let's be real

you run the same build for every dungeon

ppal has a different build for 6 out of 8 dungeons.

[cyan bronze]

i guess ye

[brave jackal]

I change between spear and roar

[cyan bronze]

it’s still better than vdh & bear

[fiery gale]

mabye

[cyan bronze]

also there’s what you drop for bsv if you run it

[fiery gale]

bearthough its really same build

every bear rerolled ppal anyway though

[pale badge]

Any suggestions on how to use Larynx well? Just got it myth track

[cyan bronze]

ive been running noms and it’s probably just the objective choice, but w/e

[brave jackal]

Except SquishyVegan

[fiery gale]

hes different

[cyan bronze]

lmao

funny story about squish

my week 1 heroic silken pug kill

he joined

and solo’d boss from 7% hp

[fiery gale]

lol, nice

[cyan bronze]

super nice guy

[brave jackal]

He’s built different

[fiery gale]

bear in cat weave setup is actually very good ST damage

druid of the claw build

[cyan bronze]

ye

funny story about that too

there were sooo many bugs in that apl

i remember watching catha discover the stupidest shit in the apl day by day during beta and early access

they didn’t implement 2pc in it til like week2 of tier(might of been earlier or later idr)

he had ironfur costing like, twice as much rage as it should of

[fiery gale]

hmm yeah sim is screwed quite often

Was not too long ago that ilearned its a set rotation pre-programmed

I always thought its some kind of artificial intellignece going for max dps

[cyan bronze]

it was hilariously cooked apl because of, I believe, the s3 tierset degeneracy

[cyan bronze]

there’s been some chatter about people doing that

I’ve just never seen anyone try it for more than 3 hours

[fiery gale]

would make sense tbh

[cyan bronze]

and not give up

[fiery gale]

Mabye some reinforcement learning setup just going for max dps

[cyan bronze]

part of it is just an issue of who’s going to do it

it’s a hyper specific overlap

be familiar enough with mbl, writing simc apls, wow itself, a wow spec, and caring enough about all 4 of those to do any real work with it

that’s probably like, 7 people

[fiery gale]

possible yeha

just need to get some computer science nerd into wow

but theyre too busy making bank

[buoyant lintel]

This is what I thought too. People use AI for things like trackmania and stuff so pressing buttons on wow seems like a very natural use case for it

[fiery gale]

yeah exactly. Seems very natural, just try 1000000 variations of possible combinatuons for button presses etc until max DPS reached

should be quite easily doable if competent in that area

[buoyant lintel]

It would be interesting to see what it gets hung up on too. Since it's generational it might fall into pits where something gives more DPS now but is not nearly optimal

[fiery gale]

actually the sim being pre-set by a human makes it screwed af based on his opinions for rotation in that build

[fiery gale]

that stuff is optimization based though, in a mathematical sense. It will find the optimal way

[jagged gust]

the apl language is very simplistic, you'd just have it rewriting variables for when to press xyz

[viral portal]

Crafted Shield or Myth Track Acidslough Bulwark?

Crafted has the embellishment atm.

For ease of comparison.

[fiery gale]

636 recraft and other myth item that is currently hero, if you have in vault

13 ilvl > 3 ilvl

[viral portal]

Cloak from Champ to Myth it is then.

[fiery gale]

just my opnion though idk what others may think about that

[tropic tangle]

I mean

[viral portal]

Those are my two options, but cloak is such a low impact item slot I'm not sure.

[tropic tangle]

You can take shield, if you have a spare spark you could recraft cloak with embel or another item.

[plush tendon]

I mean, Im taking the myth shield

send a spark on a crafted cloak

[tropic tangle]

639 shield is your most impactful defensive item

[plush tendon]

which is a low stat budget piece

and great for a embellished slot

[tropic tangle]

you cannot get block value anywhere else

[viral portal]

I have a few sparks, I only swapped to warrior last week, so plenty of options and materials.

Fair point Denic

Thanks for the quick discussion, I'm taking the shield. 🙂

[fiery gale]

i would really take myth cloak for champion cloak and recraft shield ofr 636

3 ilvl on shield is really not much of an impact

[turbid shuttle]

But you can do the same with the cloak

Is 3ilvl on cloak better than 3 ilvl on shield?

[fiery gale]

alternatively like someone said take myth shield and craft 636 cloak yeah

maybe in the end kinda the same

sim it maybe

[turbid shuttle]

It's 3 ilvl either way you just weren't considering the full picture

[viral portal]

If the cloak had haste on it, maybe. But I can craft one with haste, and I think I'd rather have the 3 ilvls on the shield.

[fiery gale]

3 ilvl will be more impactful on shield than on clloak so there's that

[jolly spindle]

tank enjoyers

is this route not clinically insane

[strong forum]

looks fine

pull 4 is kinda cringe

besides that nothing out of the ordinary

[plush tendon]

pull 4 is pretty standard

[strong forum]

its standard but cringe

[plush tendon]

honestly, the most cringe thing I see is pull 15

its so lame

[strong forum]

okay that

is kinda dumb

[plush tendon]

like 'lets go balls to wall' and then pull 15 'guys, these charge guys are dangerous AF'

[strong forum]

would combine 15+16

[plush tendon]

I know why people dont

those arrows are legit impossible to see

people gotta be ethical baiters

still cringe af though

[jolly spindle]

wiped first pull

[strong forum]

based

[jolly spindle]

tank leaves

[strong forum]

real based

was it warri?

[plush tendon]

what key level?

[jolly spindle]

12

was guardian druid

[plush tendon]

.... dumb pull for a 12

tbh

[strong forum]

nah still standard

but you need to full commit entire game

[plush tendon]

I feel like its a doable pull

[strong forum]

very much is

[plush tendon]

but if you trying to time a 12... the risk/reward doesnt seem worth

especially for a pug

[strong forum]

ye id just do 3

not 4 packs

[jolly spindle]

man joins a pug

[plush tendon]

3 packs 100%

[jolly spindle]

and thinks were MDI honoric participants

[plush tendon]

the 4th is a lot

[scarlet stone]

pull 6 is wrong side

[plush tendon]

I think its whichever one the pather isnt going

[scarlet stone]

No

it's about the mob types you're adding

[stable ore]

15+big guy in 16 is the pug play, chain into 16 after he die

[stable ore]

pull 11 and 12 back-to-back with dps cds prob on 11 is doomge

[scarlet stone]

? 12 is an easy pull it's all tank damage.

you just kite with plenty of room

[old basin]

i just got flamed in a timewalking dungeon

for going too fast

and the guy said mythic+ needs to end

wtf

[rancid tiger]

Its a classic wow gamer

[old basin]

lol

[plush tendon]

disclaimer, I like M+

but it gets cringe the higher you push

[vague badge]

what is the correct way to sim how much i should dps i should deal in a key?

[tribal wharf]

heres what i bought from traders if anyone interested

[simple drum]

Unironically true lmao

Mythic+ is no longer worth doing

[tribal wharf]

the unforgiving timer made me quit

[simple drum]

Yeah

[tribal wharf]

any tiny thing goes wrong someone dies

pull is over

maybe key is over

[tulip remnant]

SoB and NW aren’t helping any

[tribal wharf]

wipe o nce 90% keys over wipe twice GG

[tulip remnant]

Good dungeons and I’m chillin

[tribal wharf]

wipe with lust on boss, 30000% GG

[plush tendon]

im so over doing old dungeons

that were already M+

[tardy abyss]

You cant

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt mind some remakes of classic/tbc/wrath dungeons though

[simple drum]

I know Wow is an MMO but I REALLY prefer the design space & potential of delves over dungeons

[tribal wharf]

i just dont want to get 1 shot by random attacks at a lvl 10

[plush tendon]

delves are chill

[tribal wharf]

and i mean effectively 1 shot

[plush tendon]

a bit stale now

since rewards dont scale

[tribal wharf]

like, i got hit or took debuff to some other normal ass shit

[plush tendon]

but early on I would do a couple of delves on a alt

and have a pretty solid time just vibing

[tulip remnant]

If healer balance was more equitable…I’d also be more ok with it

[tribal wharf]

and then i get hit for 89.5% of my life through absorb and ip and all these drs

[tulip remnant]

Gambling on any not shaman is wild

[tribal wharf]

like, no

i quit lol

[plush tendon]

healers have way too much influence in keys

[tardy abyss]

Disc is fine

[plush tendon]

and I hate it

[simple drum]

We need more single player raids/dungeon type content, and delves pave the way for more stuff in the future. I would love solo content that’s beyond just combat. Something like temples in LOZ Ocarina of Time where there are puzzles are you’re legitimately challenged outside of combat

[solemn dragon]

is anyone here tanking m+ and dpsing raids? if yes what is your off-spec? considering the tons of haste on prot fury feels trash, is arms any better?
i m aware this is not a protection question but it is for protection players

[plush tendon]

I miss the days of Hpal throwing ashen hallow every 4 minutes and fucking off for the next 3:30

[tardy abyss]

Fury stacks haste though?

[tulip remnant]

I mean. I just play high mastery prot at this point for Fury.

[tardy abyss]

I play arms though

[tulip remnant]

Mastery then haste. So it’s not bad

[plush tendon]

focus on your dps set first

and, in your offtime, get some rings/neck that have haste for your prot set

and youll be good

[tardy abyss]

If all you care about is dps then sim, else play fury because a gust of wind will blow you over as arms

[tulip remnant]

I would be geared correctly, if I didn’t roll hero Sikran neck

So I’m rolling with 12k Mastery and 18k haste as fury. When it should be reversed.

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Za9xjMg84 it would be a massive undertaking, but i would essentially want the wow website noob section and anyone who wants to can see a video on prot paladin , and it shows what they are all about and how to functionally play them, and what thier spells do and examples of how to use them, but its by a blizzard team.

and so it when you watch the video about them or holy paladins when it goes to the dispel portion it shows oh they cant remove curses

[tulip remnant]

Why is the bunny girl in here

[tribal wharf]

i... i have no idea......................................... the last time i playted, i played as a tree man in the jungle (he sucks) and i played as a cestial dragon that can fly through the trees

the dragon is super fun

[tulip remnant]

Ivern is for tryhards that say “Uhmm…..Ackshully” a lot

[tribal wharf]

but i like those types of gimmick or op champions, click to stun in lol is LOL

old taric sadge

the other dude with the crazy eyes magic spell and hes got an axe and a remake now

[muted arch]

would you guys drop crests on this or wait for silkran helm? 5/8M so clear it weekly

silkran helm is haste/versa

[vague badge]

avanoxx bite hits quite hard, right? we don't have that many cooldowns to always have one for it, or am i missing somethign?

[tribal wharf]

lissandra my favorite champion of all probably though, top 3 for sure, that is i very love the kit

[tardy abyss]

You shouldnt need anything

[tribal wharf]

when i saw the changes to racial actives, thought of the hand ability she has,very similiar to it

[simple drum]

What’s the ‘go-to’ alt for people who love Prot Warrior and can’t stop playing Prot cause nothing else feels as good? Lol

[rancid tiger]

Prot pala

🫣

[sand condor]

I do prot pally to…but realistically its Guardian Druid

[simple drum]

Why realistically?

[sand condor]

Because itsplayabke with just one braincell

And its just generally simple and straightforward face tanking

[runic cosmos]

can anyone help me with my stat weights? I want to know how bad it is for my vers to be this low..

[smoky anvil]

is your deaths the limiting factor in your keys?

if the answer is no, getting more is not going to change things. if the answer is yes, getting more MAY not change things.

[runic cosmos]

ok makes sense. No, I'm not dying much in keys if at all most of the time. When I do a big pull initially my health is a bit spikey until I get defensives up

was wondering if more verse would help smooth that over a bit

but thank you

[vestal moat]

more vers will not help you with that in any noticeable way

[karmic minnow]

hey all! for survivability, is ilvl still king in terms of upgrades? I got a myth track vers/mastery 1H from the vault, and i have 636 crafted haste/vers 1H (no embelishment). sims dont help as i care more about surviving i think than dps. any insights from you veterans would be appreciated. thank you!

[vestal moat]

Yes, that 639 will be defensively better than your crafted weapon.

Especially since you're not even using an embellishment

[vague badge]

4-6 keys are such a hit or miss it’s insane.
It varies from “you are top 2 dps overall and the run is bricked”
To “you can chain big pull and blast everything”
It’s sooo insane

[karmic minnow]

thank you for your wisdom and conviction sir!! 🙏

[vital seal]

anyone that have time to help me out 🙂

[jagged gust]

yes, but I am unskilled and my attention is fleeting

[lofty warren]

yo momma

how good is this item?

[jagged gust]

put an extra 0 on the haste and I'd love it

[strong forum]

It's mediocre af

[lofty warren]

so with this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xfh8NxGKnGbSR7BMKdZMvy it sounds like a must take the boots

Wonder why it said pactstone isn't even a dps gain compared to meat hook. Pactstone higher on bloodmallet

[jagged gust]

you simmed st

that's a 5tar list

[lofty warren]

hmm lemme try simming as 5 target

yea boots better

[vernal aspen]

is city of threads 12 actually hard or are people just bad

been struggling a lot to time it

[bleak breach]

It’s hard

No 12 is easy

[quiet monolith]

Is there a more defensive option for m+ than the default build on wowhead ? I'm not too concerned with dps but not sure where I can drop points to get cheat death or other bigger defensive value points

[bleak breach]

City of threads or GB probably the worst

[tribal wharf]

my transmog is now truly perfect

only more perfect i could make it is if i have the thunder effect from 3k from that season

[bleak breach]

Swap ravager for BSV and could swap some of the warrior specific tree around for more defensive options

[karmic plinth]

on the talent calculator there should be a build called 'immortal' or something to that effect

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVRRFUgEVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBVFVZFUECUEEFVVUCQQ

[quiet monolith]

Thank you

[scarlet stone]

Sims better than sac.

It was -100 ST +1800 AoE for me.

Personally though I prefer the feel of more baseline haste with str proc, than baseline str with haste proc. So I think I’m sticking with sac. Plus my sac has avoidance.

[karmic minnow]

hey all - if you have a 626 heroic versions of sacbrood and swarmlord's, are there any myth track trinkets worth taking over those for M+? (besides the mythic versions of these same trinkets)

[left beacon]

anyone know if there is a way to see the healthbars on the earthburst totems at the end of stonevault? or do people just use macros?

[tribal wharf]

game wants me to be toxic again, i try to cleanse my self remove the toxin mog, cant win, comes back

which is voidbound affix, bunch of tinies that you kill for buff?

oh nvm big prio add

keys can wait till tomorrow

that or im gettin some shit that it the frame that ghost appears it gets skull markered

[edgy bone]

When I try to leap out of the black hole on last boss of Arakara, I get stuck half the time?

Why am I getting stuck in midair?

[dense nimbus]

What do you guys think? My current shoulders are Champ, both rings are champ. The Vault ring has a socket.

[regal yarrow]

how much luck are you guys having pugging keys past 12 without a dedicated group? It seems like it's a 50% chance that we're going to even be able to do the first pull, and past that it's like a 1/10 chance we don't fail the key to something stupid, like LOSing group damage

[edgy bone]

@tribal wharf Hey I keep getting stuck when I leap out of pull-in on the last boss of Arakara

[sand hound]

How important is myth weapon?
My vault is hero -> myth for neck, chest, weapon. I was debating weapon for more damage but not sure how big chest is for defensive stats.

[oak ivy]

all lower case cuz i am not raising my voice for this

why is the sureki neck showing as a very significant part of my rage generation throughout a dungeon

or is it being weird and showing me the mana regen

[jovial saffron]

wait, you don't leap in? i just blast the ooze to get out, so i free other party members too

[dire quail]

Sims show about 1.1% loss with stats, but not sure if it's calculating right. Anyone have experience with it?

[mortal pecan]

where can i find wasted rage in the logs?

[pallid quiver]

Resources, change from Hit Points to Rage

Looking at all actors, it shows you total rage gained and wasted, looking at a specific actor, you see the exact breakdown of what generated rage and where you wasted rage

[mortal pecan]

thank you

[smoky anvil]

As in, you’re waiting till after the 1 sec big succ and still getting blown up on?

Boss does big succ at 1 sec so gotta wait till sub that to leap.

[edgy bone]

No im hitting osmething in midair

and g etting knocked back

i smash into a pixel in mid air

and it stops by leap

my*

[pastel geyser]

Youre doing it too early

I think

Youre getting sucked back to the boss right?

[delicate forum]

Hi is battle-scared veteran better than ravager? I saw many top logs for prot warrior taking the former instead of the later,

[plain haven]

should u start pull with taunt in raid?

[inner wren]

I’ve heard murmurs that they fixed leaking out of the last boss of ara but I haven’t played the dungeon yet this week on war

[pastel geyser]

I hope not

Its a cool somewhat risky tech

Dks can just sit there

[regal yarrow]

You get lifted into the air by the last boss at the end of the cast, and it'll cancel leap, or pull you back in too far. You have to wait til the last ~10% of the cast bar @edgy bone

[brisk oyster]

is there any damage focused build? im playing thane on 10s and my overall feels pretty bad

[edgy bone]

GOTCHA

[lone wren]

so i have crafted shield and only good trinket he has is mad queen, do i roll for protectionw ith 3 slots of hc vault in hope of hc shield? or i roll arms to ahve a decent new trinket?

in vault i mean

[raven sluice]

any advice on dealing with Chasmal Gash on mythic Kyveza?

[wintry bough]

At 0.7 seconds left if you leap you cancel it totally

[jagged gust]

warrior challenge impossible: Don't press any buttons when there's less than 1.5 seconds left on the cast

[minor forge]

Is the queen trinket on hc worth it over rare neck from raid also hc?
Got shitty trinkets and shitty neck that will be recrafted eventually

[wintry bough]

Sim mate

I got myth legs and rest shait xd

[jolly lagoon]

wearing a 610 candle, is the trinket worth it? I hardly see any warriors use it in keys

ring and legs are an upgrade too

[lone wren]

which oen of thsoe 2 should i catalyse?

[tame cradle]

does anyone know if this trinket is good?

[minor forge]

Decided.on queen trinket
The 606 neck.is crafted and can do it to 636 eventually whilst the rare raid neck would have stayed max 626
And winning queen trinket in raids would be next to.impossible

[hollow sphinx]

Regarding Ansurek: we are facing some issues where I am getting spanked after the 2nd tank taunted after liquefy being casted on me… even with autohits I have the most threat… we have to do dmg stop… is it normal

[wintry bough]

No the other tank is not pressing his buttons

[barren oar]

^

[barren oar]

somewhat normal if theyre taunting and quickly trying to reposition by leaving boss melee

had to tell offtank he doesnt have to taunt and steed

[flint tiger]

Is one of the trinkets or the tier helm better, assuming:

1. Neck is a 580 ilvl one (might just craft one).
2. I have no tier pieces except gloves.
3. Trinkets are Throngus and Imperfect Ascendancy Serum (from delves).
4. boots, shoulders, and glove are all already heroic track/tier.

mostly tanking M+, casually heroic raids.

[swift veldt]

Would you swap necks hero crit haste rashnan for myth stone vault one? Im not mythic raider so better raid loot is out of my league sadly

[heavy sparrow]

What are the best boot options for enchantments these days?

[split remnant]

Is Void Packstone a good trinket? Didnt even know it exists.

[orchid gulch]

Enchantment is Defender's March.

[jagged gust]

Still no clue as to why the speed enchant on boots is one expansion behind

[orchid gulch]

Blizzard doesn't want us to go fast. Speed increases have been getting lower and lower over time.

[alpine zephyr]

Is this voidstone anything worthwhile?

[wintry gate]

I think it's C tier

[orchid gulch]

Sim it.

[alpine zephyr]

Whats the settings for dungeon sim?

[orchid gulch]

We usually sim ST. AOE sim is kinda a meme.

[jagged gust]

At most it very slightly moves the needle between 1 of 2 stats

[alpine zephyr]

Ah ok

[wintry gate]

couldn't pass a +11 ara kara, wouldn't you know, 630 arcane mage magically turned into a fire mage

[orchid gulch]

Those interrupts though.

[wintry gate]

ffs lol

pugging a 11 or higher is like flipping a coin and if the coin lands on its side then you pass the key

[jagged gust]

It's not like you were running with pumpers, but those numbers look like you should've been able to eke out a win

[wintry gate]

I shouldn't have 300k hps under the healer tbh

that's one of the reasons we didn't pass lol

[jagged gust]

ah, too many dinglebats getting ko'd

[dense coral]

Is there a haste cap like 25% or nah?

[strong forum]

Make it 40% before buffs

Then you're at "cap"

Which is closer to like 30k haste

[dense coral]

ohhh then i still need lots :> ty

[swift veldt]

Well, its weird question to ask but comparing prot war to prot pala in terms of hp being spiked down and having problems with keeping alive which spec is more susceptible for those kind of spikes? I mean im mostly playing warri but to be fair due to maaany buttons im not feeling it and i have Real troubles on keeping myself alive on +10 with 622 ilvl. Its not about me quitting warri or something but im curious cause if war shouldnt have hp spikes like bdk then im toasted and playing reeally really bad.

[frank rock]

Warriors shouldnt spike like a BDK, are you rotating CDs?

Many tanks think they can just spam SB/IB and think that theier hp wont spike

[swift veldt]

Yup, on some packs im goin from 100 to 15 in like a hit xD

Im breaking my fingers on some bigger pulls tbh. Its probably Just skill issue but there are moments when i Press wrong defensive for pyshical and i get hit with some tank busters spell for sure. Then yeah, im Just playing really bad xD i have 2650 score on my warri so ive done some stuff. Just CoT and GB is a literaaaal hell to me like its harder then the rest 6 of keys combined xD

[earnest cove]

This usually happens if you get Hit by casters, assuming you have Block up. If you have Logs you could Check there what exactly hits you. You can Check your effective block there as well. In those two Dungeons are some pretty rough mobs too. I.e. Ogres in GB increase their Dmg with every Hit, resetting those stacks is huge. Details would help if you struggle with specific Pulls

[hoary pivot]

Knowing the trash tankbusters is important

[strong forum]

Knowledge is power

[hoary pivot]

And using SR / SpB accordingly

[swift veldt]

The problem with batol is i feel like every single mob have 2 :/

[hoary pivot]

Its mostly the Overseers and the Shadowflame Slash guys

Shadowflame Slash is reflectable, Spell blockable and can be stopped

[earnest cove]

Golems and Ogres too, but all can be countered

[hoary pivot]

And the Enforcers need to be soothed or stunned / kited to reset stacks

[sudden hemlock]

Hey guys, been gearing up my prot warrior the last couple days, and I got mythic track Shield with Crit/mastery in my only 623 iL cache slot. I was planning on crafting a 636 Shield once I had crests. Am I better of with 636 Shield with good stats or a 639 with worse stats ?

[hoary pivot]

Lava Fist is also reflectable

[swift veldt]

Aaand i was asking bout comparrision on war vs pal cause ive decided to alt prot pala along while playing war. My like records in keys were with prot pal with doing like old 25-6 and i thought playing something im familiar with will help me. But if you say that prot shouldnt spike hp theeeen i will be even more fcked up as paladin

[jagged gust]

ilvl > stats

[swift veldt]

The buttons of war Just scares me, i ve changed alll my binds like 6 times at this point and still somethings off

[jagged gust]

Pala spikes way harder in my experience

war spikes when you fuck up

[earnest cove]

Play what you enjoy, that’s the most important part here

All tanks are more than viable to do most things

[swift veldt]

Im enjoying both thats the case 😄 Just i feel too dumb to play warrior with like 6 or 7 buttons more then others ive ever tried

[sweet summit]

it's not blockable ?

[earnest cove]

Don’t get scared by HP spiking, just learn the dungeons. It’s fine to fail sometimes

[earnest cove]

It is

[sweet summit]

i don't believe you

[jagged gust]

spreadsheet says no

[swift veldt]

I will try my Best, but CoT is cursed for me. Still getting back to my 1st question. Ive got hero rashnan crit haste neck and got the stone vault myth one in vault. Should i take it or as it has mastery its still worse even with myth?

[earnest cove]

Warrior has not more buttons than paladin. But do what feels right for you

[swift veldt]

I will try to provide as many logs as possible when i have Time to play

[iron sphinx]

how bad is this item

[jagged gust]

pretty much the worst

[earnest cove]

You are right, have to double check that. Hitting spell block there and keep not dying 🤷🏻‍♂️

[jagged gust]

wait no, disregard the pretty much part

the worst

[earnest cove]

Paladins think it’s good

[jagged gust]

thats what being pink does to your brain

[earnest cove]

Crazy, right?

[swift veldt]

How? I ve full spellbooks out and excluding on use trin and prepot i have like 5 or 6 binds left XD

[jagged gust]

I have 38 keybinds as prot war, ppal takes that and adds on another dozen random utility spells

[iron sphinx]

another week of champion trinkets then...

at what point do i craft a 636 trinket

[jagged gust]

When satan wears a winter coat

[earnest cove]

Sounds like a you problem 😄 just try to filter your abilities. Keybinds are enough available

Paladin is worse with the utility stuff for me

[torpid dome]

Hmm would you guys go for 2x offensive trinks?
Or 1x offensive, 1x defensive on the trinket side?

[jagged gust]

def trinkets are pretty ass

almost always

[torpid dome]

I now have a mark of Khadros mythic track + sacbrood heroic track

[jagged gust]

with the exception of the cheat death one from S3 and treemouth

[torpid dome]

so i think pretty decent on the offensive side

[wraith totem]

Until I get the raid trinket I've been using Ara kara + taunt trinket.
The taunt trinket is amazing tbf

Saved me a bunch of times

[torpid dome]

what trink is the taunt trinket?