protection

[deft mortar]

My F charge!!

But taunt is E

F charge goes incredibly hard.

[buoyant lintel]

it feels so nice being able to press any button you want without having to also hold one of WASD

[deft mortar]

Ngl I am too lazy to move, I try to stay stationary and just heroic peap

[fiery gale]

Charge is obviously C, for charge. Taunt is V

[marble sundial]

Spell reflect c1

Never used V or c

Just x and z and shifts of each

[fiery gale]

Comfy buttons tbh

[buoyant lintel]

i think C and V are easier to press than Z and X

[fiery gale]

X is Hero leap and Y is shield wall

[marble sundial]

So many different people…

[fiery gale]

Z is unbound

Too far away

For me

[jagged gust]

gotta use your ring finger for that shit

weird hand movement

[fiery gale]

T is throw sword or whatever that’s called

Because I used to have moonfire on T on my guardian

[marble sundial]

The aggro one?

[fiery gale]

Yeah

[jagged gust]

Charge mousewheel up, shield charge shift mw up, self heal alt mw up, throw ctrl mw up

[marble sundial]

Poor mouse wheel

Ready for the craziest one

S shield wall shift S self heal 😏

[jagged gust]

I was a hunter in TBC, you don't even know the abuse a mousewheel can take

[fiery gale]

Makes sense

[buoyant lintel]

what do you use to backpedal?

[fiery gale]

B

[buoyant lintel]

B for back

makes sense

[fiery gale]

Obviously

[marble sundial]

Arrow key pointed towards me

With my left hand

[buoyant lintel]

i dont believe u

that crazy

[marble sundial]

I don’t back pedal

[fiery gale]

Kinda sus as a tank

To not backpedal

[marble sundial]

no

I jump strafe backwards

Is it normal to back pedal

I learned to unbind my S key in like 2012 for pvp

[buoyant lintel]

there are a lot of situations where it is very convenient

[fiery gale]

Yeah, allows for precise positioning

[marble sundial]

Never needed it tbh

[buoyant lintel]

i also use it because it allows me to walk backwards without out running my dps

[marble sundial]

The jump strafe is too clean

Maybe if I was doing mythic queen I’d need to back pedal

[full maple]

Im a huge mouse wheel enjoyer mwup/down shift up/down cntrl up/down that's most of my core abilities

[frosty mango]

S key highly useful on tank

Every time I see a tank running from a pack getting blasted in the back I wonder if it’s because they’re anti backpedalers

[glacial pebble]

I do a slow backup to hint my group I’m getting ready for next pull

I swear it kinda works- slow backup, mob moves a bit, group starts moving in, then I do next chain pull

signalling via positioning and setups is a tank skill imo

[jagged gust]

Then there's me madly dashing through mobs looking for my fucking transmitter orb

[fiery gale]

Is that a trinket?

[jagged gust]

the one that either spawns an orb to collect, a platform to stand on or jump 3 times

[marble sundial]

you dont need to S key to not show ur back

[glacial pebble]

I haven’t quite worked out chainpulling, like the first 4 packs in NW.

I feel I need to TC to get snap threat each charge, or risk healer/bladestorm/ret threat while grouping up

[fiery gale]

Ah, never seeen or used this trinket I think

[jagged gust]

I just abuse the cd reset of TB with avatar

[kindred hearth]

I do the same @marble sundial

S is my leap

[marble sundial]

i strafe backwards

while jumping

face is facing the mobs

[kindred hearth]

Just strafing also works

[marble sundial]

but im way faster

i always figured only bears S keyed

cause they were dads

[jagged gust]

Run in, TC, charge 2nd pack, TB, leap 3rd pack, revenge+tb and then you just throw to catch the rovers and let em walk in to your aoe

[frosty mango]

The kind of people getting blasted in the back don’t understand the nuances of strafing, obviously

[jagged gust]

S is nice for micro-positioning

[kindred hearth]

Yeah maybe its nice in nw etc.

With the puddles

[frosty mango]

Also nice for bosses that require constant backpedaling, like the last boss in cot

[kindred hearth]

CoT is way easier to strafe imo

[frosty mango]

Only if your dps have brains

If you have to handhold them it’s easy enough to backpedal in a big circle and just make them follow you constantly to force them to stay in front of you and not bait orbs in your face

[fiery gale]

The amount of times the DPS have stood behind me in that fight is really high. Makes the orb relocations supper annoying

[kindred hearth]

But i would love an argument to bind backpaddeling again

[jagged gust]

Not nearly as bad at this point in the season, most people have learned when and where to tank stack at this point

Though I think cot does have the lowest completion % of all dungeons currently

[frosty mango]

Dunno it’s still pretty bad

[jagged gust]

Just fucking everything sucks about that dungeon

[kindred hearth]

Nah

Just skip first part

[fiery gale]

Kinda yeah

Tbh only first part yeah

And the RP

[glacial pebble]

I like the chaos of each boss individually but maybe not all on the same key

[frosty mango]

I’m fortunately in 12+ range and it’s not -that- bad but running 10s for guildies are definitely weekly no leavers if we gotta lug

[marble sundial]

i like cuddling with the homies

[kindred hearth]

If you wallhug after first pull its easy

[tribal wharf]

i need 3 full runs of LFR tomorrow and i got my t2 finished

dunno if ill get all the weapons and plate appearances

weapons, yes, most of them, the good ones anyway

probably weapon

[kindred hearth]

639 weapon probably

Or shoulders

[jagged gust]

First boss would be fine if not for needing everyone to aim orbs (Kyveza has taught me this is an impossible skill for some) 2nd RP is annoying, but aside from losing cleave damage constantly not a tough one, Amalg would be better if it wasn't for awkward camera angles and the too small arena, final boss... I honestly have no complaints

[kindred hearth]

But first boss drops shoulders too

[frosty mango]

The last boss is brain dead if people just do orbs properly

[jagged gust]

All bitching aside, good luck finding a healer who actually wants to run it in the first place lol

[frosty mango]

They just seem wholly incapable of doing so

[kindred hearth]

What healer do you guys like the most

[frosty mango]

Is that a real question

[kindred hearth]

Yes

[frosty mango]

Anyone who doesn’t answer rsham this season is on the good drugs

[kindred hearth]

Because i prefer to play with Mistweavers

[tribal wharf]

doesnt matter too bigly for me for healer

[jagged gust]

I was in a guild run that got hardstuck on fucking Kyveza like week 5 of the season, orbs would just rip through half the group every second cast, I'm not surprised any more

[tribal wharf]

i just like the healer that can mostly keep us alive

i dont think too hard about it

[frosty mango]

Not us that’s the problem, it’s everyone else

[tribal wharf]

sounds like healer and dps problem

[frosty mango]

I main hpriest in raid and I can say without a doubt it is absolutely dogshit right now

[kindred hearth]

I actually feel like a lot of shamans just suck so hard

[frosty mango]

If youre in the 8-10 range this is probably true

Gonna get a lot of fotm rerollers

[kindred hearth]

I do 12s-13s

[tribal wharf]

i'd rather have a shaman or mist than a priest

gnerally speaking

[kindred hearth]

Still only fotm healers

[tribal wharf]

but again, it doesnt bother me all that much

it depends how much gear and how good the player playing the healer is at the end of the day

[jagged gust]

Even if they had miracle workers pumping 2mil hps, they shouldn't have to be

[tribal wharf]

cant drive the 18 wheeler if you got no one knows how to drive it

even if its got gass and a load

[frosty mango]

Playing Hpriest in 11-12 is just me staring at kicks and poisons and curses I can’t do shit about, while I push 2m hps trying to heal through the 90 debuffs I can’t cleanse

Also while actively trying to avoid all the ground aoes because I have zero instants

[tribal wharf]

i like holy priest more than new disc priest

[frosty mango]

TLDR: I am a fotm reroller

[kindred hearth]

Disc is pog

[tribal wharf]

it was more fun back when it came out

[jagged gust]

S3 disc was something else

[tribal wharf]

the smite spam method

i mean long ago times

[jagged gust]

Seeing the healer do 600k DPS was fucking hilarious

[tribal wharf]

i used to do LFD terrorism on pwar and dpriest in cata

toxic stuff basically

still do pwar terrorism

[signal coyote]

What's generally seen as the best tank if you just wanna do your weekly tens?

[karmic plinth]

the one you play best on at that level

[marble cipher]

log question, I'm trying to find when a paladin tank taunted a boss during an encounter, and I always thought you could see "Hand of Reckoning" as one of the "casts" that's been done.
But I don't see that on there in the list of casts targetting the boss

[tribal wharf]

play what makes the most logical and thematical sense to you and just try to have fun

[signal coyote]

Love that ❤️ but I just wondered. Used to be dk I'm pretty sure

[tribal wharf]

bdk is weak rn unless something changed

meta is pwar/ppal/DH > bear/brew > bdk

far as i can tell

[vague badge]

Bear is definitely > DH

[fiery gale]

Disc pumps

Never had a good holy yet though

F tier?

[fiery gale]

Idk much about healers but aren’t they mainly casting? That kinda sucks for M+ I guess

Pumping out them flash heals

[wild anvil]

So wowhead says hast crit is best, but murlok.io shows haste vers...which is best? Preference or vers only good for high keys or something?

[scarlet stone]

but fotm is disc

[scarlet stone]

ppal > War >>>> Bear > BDK > DH/Brew

[oblique quarry]

ppal tanky again?

[fiery gale]

Idk about >>>>, people were doing world first 15s and 16s on bear

Then switched to pally

[scarlet stone]

There is a sizeable gap

there are outliers based on a single chinese team running bear

and he also rerolled to ppal

[frosty mango]

I meant a rolled a shaman to heal m+

lol

[scarlet stone]

Even if you want to simply go by murlok meta rating.

[old basin]

guys

[scarlet stone]

Yeah I'm messing with you because disc is more meta than rsham now.

[old basin]

are prot warriors supposed to heal bad ?

[scarlet stone]

There's a 100pt jump between pwar and guardian

[frosty mango]

Define “heal bad”

[scarlet stone]

50pts up to ppal

[frosty mango]

Yoda is playing ppal which prob skews it a lot

[scarlet stone]

everyone is

Not yoda

[frosty mango]

But let’s be real brew is struggling

[old basin]

i just did a 8 on my prot, i had ignore pain up 88% of the game and my heal parse was grey

[scarlet stone]

literally everybody EXCEPT Kira

[fiery gale]

Most of this data is based on like 5 players each though, and everyone rerolled

[scarlet stone]

This data is based off top 50 of each

not 5

[jagged gust]

you're supposed to not take damage in the first place

[frosty mango]

This is gonna depend on a billion other factors I’m not sure a heal parse is a viable way to validate performance

[fiery gale]

IP actually gives good HPS on the meters

[old basin]

its because im a new player, i was told i had to log my keys to warcraftlogs and the numbers there would tell me if im playing correct

[frosty mango]

Brew has shit snap aggro, mobility is eh, stagger is difficult for healers to play against effectively, talent load outs are kinda scuffed

[scarlet stone]

Healing isn't your metric

[old basin]

what is

[scarlet stone]

why would that number tell you if you're playing correctly

Are you a healer?

I thought you were a prot warrior

you're in the tank discord channel

[old basin]

because the grey number means that other prot warriors heal more, no ?

[frosty mango]

Post your logs in log review, your first metric is going to be shield block uptime

From there you’ll be looking at other things, like skill breakdown

[scarlet stone]

If YOU'RE gray parsing in HPS, why would that mean that prot warrior is "heal bad"?

[karmic plinth]

in theory yes but its not necessarily a metric you need to look at to improve

[scarlet stone]

That means that YOU ARE doing 99% worse than other WARRIORS ONLY

[fiery gale]

If u weren’t in danger, a grey heal parse is better than a purple parse kinda. Just shows u didn’t need the heals

[jagged gust]

You can't heal if you're not taking damage, if your heal parse is low it means either you didn't take damage, or you didn't do any damage/overcapped rage too much

[delicate vector]

Your healing correlates directly with the pull size, if you are not taking damage you are not healing.

[scarlet stone]

To begin with: healing parses at all times are always a joke. A joke for healers, a joke for tanks, a joke for dps.

But you doing bad means you're doing bad, not the class.

[old basin]

aaah i see

i understand now

[frosty mango]

Let’s say you’re in a super shit run, everyone is missing kicks, you gotta pot 1000 times, you’re spamming ignore pain at the expensive of damage - your heal parse will be high

Does that mean you did a good job or everyone else did a shitty job

[jagged gust]

I had an arcane mage in my first guild, they always parsed 99/100 on the healing meters, their DPS was generally grey

[fiery gale]

mage is a bit confused about his job maybe

[jagged gust]

stuck in SoD, clearly

[frosty mango]

Try to explain this to my other raid healers that output is really just a factor of who snipes heals the most

More healing =\= efficient or effective healing

[scarlet stone]

Cut a healer

[jagged gust]

cut your best healer

give the others a chance to shine

[frosty mango]

we're down to two in heroic, they won't let us solo heal, lol

[latent cargo]

Is there a good spell reflect weak aura for mythic plus?

[wild anvil]

Didn't Kira reroll a ppal too? At least I saw him today on a 639 ppal

[scarlet stone]

Wouldn't be surprised

as of like 3-4 days ago he was the last unconfirmed reroll.

out of the top 11

[wild anvil]

Anywhooo, haste crit or haste vers?

[sharp gale]

Kira is doing mdi

[mighty valley]

whichever makes you happier, the difference is not huge

if you’re doing a key level where magic tankbusters are hyper threatening then you can justify vers

otherwise crit is cool and makes you more stable everywhere else

[pallid quiver]

Though really, if you're at a point where those are a threat to that extent, there's no amount of vers that'll make any realistic difference due to the gaps between key levels

[mighty valley]

yeah it’s mostly about the story that you get to tell yourself

otherwise just outsource your opinions to sims

[wild anvil]

Thought there was no way to sim tanking?

😳 is there?

[languid sorrel]

Hi all, still finding my feet in m+ from an ilevel perspective what is a good guide for tanking higher keys. Currently 610 and been doing 3 and 4s to get comfortable. Now looking to push, is it still 10 below end of run rewards?

[mighty valley]

we just sim for dps for gear tiebreakers

[sharp gale]

610 you can start hitting 7s and 8s, you will see more what is going on in tanking but we are in tyrannical week, so if you did no keys in fort yet you will learn trashs next week

[languid sorrel]

Thx which week is tougher to push so far am at 1500io with fort only

[sharp gale]

No week is tougher since you get both and no affix above 12

You get fort and tyr in 10

[languid sorrel]

Thanks!

[sharp gale]

Basically you just might be surprised next week that you need to learn what trashs do

The higher you go the more you need to know what every single mob do, to understand which packs you can take with which other ones

You will know what packs are big no no

[languid sorrel]

So far keys under 10 on tyr bigg trash pulls are doable with less knowledge

[sharp gale]

Yes basically you can ignore almost everything trashs do since they die before they do smth and has no dmg

Like you can kick 0 bolts except few specific ones, no one will die, the healer can just heal through them

[wintry gate]

do you get these from doing timewalking dungs?

[pallid quiver]

Once you have gotten 100 tokens

[wintry gate]

or just from the quests to do them

ahhh

[pallid quiver]

If you do random timewalking, it's 2 per run

[wintry gate]

100 on 1 char, or 100 in total?

[pallid quiver]

100 total it should be, since it's account-wide,

But I wouldn't be shocked if it was 100 on one char

[languid sorrel]

It's warband level to get the achieve

[wintry gate]

60 to get a class set right?

sorry i should just go to the fckin vendor 😦

[pallid quiver]

that's effectively the same thing, tbh

[pallid quiver]

60 for the first

After the first, the second is 40

They're all 20 from that point on

[pastel sleet]

is Ilvl normalized in BRD? like in timewalking dungeons?

[pallid quiver]

ilvl isn't normalized anymore in timewalking; it scales to your general level

which is also why using old lego items don't work so good no more

[regal yarrow]

Do the old legendaries work at all now that we don't scale down? I thought they'd just be disabled

[pallid quiver]

They'll have the same limitations as lego items before, so by and large,

most will just flat out not work, since their effects are gated by level iirc

[pastel sleet]

does BRD corrupt vaults?

[coarse lark]

how do you guys survive at first boss/third boss from dawnbreaker, when he does the tank hit? when im out of shield wall I have a hard time surviving it without wall

[fiery gale]

You mean beam? Spell reflect / block

[boreal heath]

Yes, you will get brd items in vault, unless you do mythic

[jagged gust]

Which key level?

[coarse lark]

13

i wasnt using demoralizing and magic dmg dr from spell reflect

[jagged gust]

You can SR each while rotating SW and Spell Block, but eventually you'll want to pool IP and save a demo or something alongside each cast

It really fucking trucks

[coarse lark]

maybe it was that

spellblock works for both bosses?

[jagged gust]

I want to say SpB can catch 2 in a row as long as you cast late, but I never actually checked logs

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

[coarse lark]

thx

[jagged gust]

The 2nd one seems to come later for some reason, maybe spell queuing or something

So best to open with SW then SpB to catch 2 afterwards, which seems to work like 80% of the time

for 1st boss

[violet ginkgo]

damn... crazy how to uncorrupt is with doing the highest raid possible which not everyone doing it.

[smoky anvil]

or just don't do hc brd, not really any crazy cool shit from it

[lofty warren]

is this good for nw overall +10?

[idle vine]

fr question, what your ilvl there? Just did a completion key on my 606 warrior and you got me doubled

My damage was dreadfully low, but I also felt like was getting my ass handed to me

[jagged gust]

Looks like NW, so the numbers are probably a bit inflated by the bonkers first pull

[crude tapir]

Hey is there any talent points worth dropping to pick up Bitter Immunity for the Devour affix? Someone mentioned it to me but I wasn't sure what to drop

[jagged gust]

which you would have a hard time doing until your shield is higher than you probably have

[mighty valley]

by completion key do you mean no leavers style where everyone dies a lot? that'll kill the shit out of your details overall

[quiet leaf]

Does D stance still reduce damage done? Doesn't say so on tooltip but on wowhead as I seen it shows lower damage done.

[pallid quiver]

It does not reduce damage done, but it doesn't give 3% crit

[south zealot]

its aight

colossus or thane

as colossus its pretty beans as thane is aight

could/should be doing more either way

[lilac sedge]

Im in love with the Choco Choco

https://tenor.com/view/coco-in-love-upload-gif-5149121

Happy or Sad?

Sad..

But i warn you, i will break your heart..

Already broken..

https://tenor.com/view/already-broken-broken-in-pain-hurt-tommy-shelby-gif-16091746

[violet ginkgo]

don't do it choco

you'll get headache if you respond to pepe

[wintry gate]

just timed an +11 stonevault, anything look like I could improve or?

or is it better to do the logs thing, (never done it before ngl)

[lilac sedge]

Yes, do it in 10-11mins like mdi players

HPS/DPS doesn't matter as long as you're fast.

[wintry gate]

difference between me and them is the people they're playing with and ilvl

[lilac sedge]

Yes, then improve your ilvl and your team

Thats your answer cutie patotie.

[wintry gate]

but I pugged it 😦

[lilac sedge]

Its ok, others are pugging +16s

[boreal heath]

Logs thing, details SS shows nothing of use really

[lilac sedge]

That aint for me.

@wintry gate Do you listen to music while doing keys?

[wintry gate]

yeah lmfao why

lemmie guess

mdi players say NO music

[lilac sedge]

No, we do listen to music in the mdi

as long as we can hear the manager

[wintry gate]

can i make a log of the dungeon or

[boreal heath]

gotta do it beforehand

[wintry gate]

it looks like I have one for the dawnbreaker but i can't pull it up?

[mighty valley]

does details only count real kicks under interrupts? that ranking looks wack

[wintry gate]

yeah it doesn't count shockwave or storm bolt

[mighty valley]

that dh should kick

[lilac sedge]

guys im a new Minor, any tips for mining?

Miner*

[wicked pollen]

mine

[lilac sedge]

guys are profession equipments important

for gold farm

[barren oar]

are we intervening blightbone heaving wretch?

group handles 2 gatekeeper pulls great then wiped on 1st boss

[wicked pollen]

you should be interving it

makes the fight infinitely easier

[barren oar]

intevene then get out of cone right? duh ig

just bricked my first 14

[quartz meteor]

no you don't need to get out of the cone. just take the hit. maybe spell reflect.

[wicked pollen]

no

[barren oar]

the group wiped to carrion eruption but they were also dying to the wretch

[wicked pollen]

you intervene and stay on the target

0 damage to both

[fiery gale]

Nahh imagine they didn’t have a warrior

[barren oar]

wait 0?

[fiery gale]

Then they would failed too

[tardy abyss]

Intervene and SR for magic dmg reduc

[quartz meteor]

i might be wrong but i think you take a small chunk of damage... if you SR you take less, or 0, i forgot

[tardy abyss]

You do take damage yeah

Like 30% or so

Maybe less

[quartz meteor]

yeah way safer than have dps take it. nothing else hurts the pwar on that boss anyway.

[tardy abyss]

Yup

[dawn turtle]

Im slightly confused in terms of how to gear tanks as we are not able to just sim stuff. I am only missing more myth pieces in terms of things I am able to upgrade ilvl wise so id like to upgrade pieces based on their substats which is what I dont really understand

[fiery gale]

Just sim damage

[dawn turtle]

but then it doesnt consider extra survivability right? Which seems sometimes more important than dmg

[pallid quiver]

There is no amount of stats that would ever make a meaningful difference, especially with how close all secondary stats are in defensive value, to make it worth "gearing for survival"

[fiery gale]

Many seem to stack vers

[pallid quiver]

The only slot that can affect that is trinkets, so you'd grab a defensive trinket, then

[quartz meteor]

more haste and a better shield. take more vers after that if you want, i guess. i don't think they matter much

[dawn turtle]

Okay I see but we still use haste enchants n gems even if we are at 30% haste, which id assume the sim would say is not optimal

[fiery gale]

Yoda still playing without def trinkets in 18s convinced me they are useless

[dawn turtle]

this is what ive done atm

[barren oar]

thanks

[pallid quiver]

You generally end up using crit gems eventually, but iirc we're not at a point where haste DRs enough, so haste gems are still strong

[dawn turtle]

Every piece without haste I try not to use then haste pieces have also ideally ver and then crit

[pallid quiver]

The defensive trinkets we have now are all pretty doo-doo, and the things stopping people from timing keys currently still isn't tank survival, so that's correct

[pallid quiver]

Don't ever sacrifice ilvl for any of those, though

There is no amount of secondary min-max that makes up for the extra str and just more secondary overall

[dawn turtle]

fair but I have no way to get extra stength or extra secondary overall atm thats why idk what to play for now

[brittle owl]

play for mother Sakulsz

be strong for her

[violet ginkgo]

Shall we copium that S2 won't have Doo Doo defensive trinket?

at least on par with dreadplate

[pallid quiver]

I wouldn't be hopeful

Defensive trinkets as a whole throughout history have been

not great

If they're too good and not tank-locked on use, you get things like Rageheart

[mighty valley]

if there aren’t any busted defensive trinkets, you don’t have to waste your time farming for them

[pallid quiver]

where DPS and Heals hound for it

Good defensive and tank trinkets are the hardest to make, since they can't just be "Press to dam" or "Press for heals/throughput" or "Press for stats"

Or anything similar to those

They either need to just be raw hardlocked to the tank role or work based on things only tanks do, like avoidance mechs (block/parry/dodge) or taking damage over a long period of time consistently. And the last one also can't really be done for raid due to how many pulsing aoe mechs that just passively damage that exist.

[hollow sphinx]

So i was 4 weeks in indonesia, anything we should with our sparks?

[violet ginkgo]

what it has to do with sparks? 🤔

[lilac sedge]

guys sometmes i forget routes

is that normal?

[brave jackal]

I’ve been noticing your comments in many tanking discords.. you’re not normal 😅

[lilac sedge]

i am normal what do you mean

everybody here knows i am normal

[orchid gulch]

That's something that comes with age. Don't worry about it!

[lilac sedge]

YIPPIE

[brave jackal]

I think 15 years old is pretty young.

[lilac sedge]

why are u thinking of 15 years olds

[orchid gulch]

Age is relative. There are people that look like they're bordering 65 when they're just sub 30.

You never know.

[lilac sedge]

diddy party??

[tribal wharf]

i was seeing dh in mdi

and its been a strong MDI pick for a while now, TGP as well, i use MDI interchangably with TGP

[lilac sedge]

DH = PWar > all other tanks

prot paly is good if u have autisim and adhd

[fiery gale]

Hmm I don’t think we will see it in TGP

[fiery gale]

Why

[tribal wharf]

its like how i sometimes call him the "angry nintendo nerd" still instead of the "angry video game nerd"

[hearty stump]

When do we play into the fray?

35% haste?

[lilac sedge]

its just facts, nothing personal

[tribal wharf]

well, to be fair, doesnt DH usually do the most dps

[lilac sedge]

pwar dps > vdh though

[tribal wharf]

so it can complete the key faster, and get more stars out of beating the dungeon

[fiery gale]

Pwarr is lowest dps Tank rn I think

[tribal wharf]

so they leapfrog always going up 2-3 key lvl

[lilac sedge]

No. guardian is

[tribal wharf]

i can see TGP working with DH

[lilac sedge]

i mean only reason vdh is great atm, is because rdruid and disc priest are a thing

rshaman + pwar is goated aswell

[jagged pier]

ST

aoe

[lilac sedge]

but if they nerf rdruid/disc priest vdh is cooked

[tribal wharf]

i figured when they nerfed the hell out of DH it would be the crowd control so they could still do big dps

bear dmg

sad

[lilac sedge]

bear is cringe tbh

like just play a pwar why go druid

[fiery gale]

Raid logs tho

[tribal wharf]

i still have to find an eviterno set for my BDK

[jagged pier]

literally shows u tank damage tho

[simple drum]

Always?

[tribal wharf]

then i will play him, forever

[fiery gale]

Nobody cares about that

[lilac sedge]

m+ > raids tbh

[tribal wharf]

depends what you can get a group for tbh

[simple drum]

You talk like the ‘How do you do fellow kids’ guy, what are you even talking about 😂

[tribal wharf]

if you cant get a good group for any type of content all 3, it all sucks ass to play lmao

[lilac sedge]

2nd person to think of kids

whatsup with discord today chat

[hearty stump]

afaik there's a haste threshold. Nome mentioned 35% at some point. Was wondering if that's still the case?

[lilac sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-baby-oil-oil-him-up-xllcarolinellx-gif-17289803066735751001

[fiery gale]

You just seem to remind them of them

[tribal wharf]

MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP

[lilac sedge]

Relax. No Boldness

[tribal wharf]

anyone talking about ITF threshold

i have heard

35

[lilac sedge]

so if they looked at school girls and got an erection its ok cuz they reminded him of it?

[tribal wharf]

40 43 45

37

[lilac sedge]

is that ur logic Chalk?

[tribal wharf]

im positive next to nobody really knows how much you need for ITF

[simple drum]

I think it’s closer to 40% but honestly I’m pretty sure ITF is always taken, it would be rare that it offers you no value

[tribal wharf]

thats my conspiracy within wow within my class

[hearty stump]

Just regurgitating what Nome mentioned in one of the conversations.

[fiery gale]

Lmao

[brave jackal]

100%

[lilac sedge]

took bro 48 mins to recover

[brave jackal]

I had a prot pally at 80 that was sitting at 600ilvl I would rarely do some delves or M0s with him with friends alts.. after the buff, I tried gearing him up, and I noticed I can do high keys with him with the same ilvl my warrior had when I was pushing keys. Not sure if you guys tried prot pally

[fiery gale]

With low ilvl I felt more confident on warr

SB and IP is a hard carry

[simple drum]

Unfortunately Prot Pally is very overhyped right now and most definitely not the ‘make or break’ between doing high keys or not doing them

[violet ginkgo]

I thought BDK will be higher, is this because of the nerf on the deathbringer hero talent? (the last minute one)

[brave jackal]

I think San’layn is the current meta for bdk’s, so people on high keys using it over deathbringer

[lilac sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-gif-17050717268190276094

= Eazi's mom

[strong forum]

They have to play turbo defensive talents on ovinax and don't have any burst dmg for adds

[fiery gale]

You’re different

[lilac sedge]

in a good way?

[strong forum]

Nah

[lilac sedge]

Oh

Oh baby baby

Baby cant you see, im calling

[fast oracle]

any data on Bloodsurge vs Instigate?

[lofty warren]

how good is this

in nw 10 overall

[strong forum]

Instigate better in ST bloodsurge better in everything else

[strong forum]

Depends on your definition of good

[brave jackal]

She passed away a few years back, but I understand your generations jokes. I try very hard to prevent my kids from doing the same

[lilac sedge]

W ashes

give us the ashes to use as lube

[brave jackal]

Yeah, not gonna waste my time with kids.. not replying to you after this.

[lilac sedge]

are u angry at me really?

what if i was a psycopath/sociopath who had no empathy and you were sharing some feelings/etc.

or even personal events

[quartz meteor]

well there is no if. you do look like one now

[lilac sedge]

relax guys, people come and go its okay

everybody is gonna die eventually

someone loses a mom, a friend, a dad or whatever

thats life

just grow balls and move on

if you cant just jump i guess

or u do u

Oh dont look at me like that, unless you really like that

You know my body, i dont have time to wait.

Oh no i pull up, she look at me like she ready to grab me at the door

You know i'm not just anyone i gotta fly sht, only we do what we wanna like

Like, "Who is that", i mean this, well the only question is

If i seduce you babe, will you come take the bait?

[quartz meteor]

think i should have ignored him like you did.

[lilac sedge]

No pls

[ionic fern]

Consider this a warning to your demeanour.

[lilac sedge]

i didnt know logic was against the rules

[ionic fern]

If you lack the social skills to adequately behave in a open forum,then you should not be part of it.

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

holy

[lilac sedge]

said Dumbledore calmly

[blazing condor]

skyhold schizo posting is one of a kind

[ionic fern]

You enjoying Prot?

[wicked pollen]

no

[ionic fern]

Sad.

[wicked pollen]

i want df

[ionic fern]

It's fun right now.

[wicked pollen]

today i learned that there is a -15% hp debuff in nw

the hardway

[lofty warren]

944k on details = how much on WCL for m+?

[wicked pollen]

depends

wcl counts damage from start of key to end

including downtime

[blazing condor]

its usually like 10% down

[wicked pollen]

details is only combat

[lofty warren]

archon says pwars do 777k at 95% parse

[wicked pollen]

archon can suck myballs

[blazing condor]

yes she can

[wicked pollen]

95% at what level

like

im going to boom

https://tenor.com/bTank.gif

[lofty warren]

it says 7 - 17

[ionic fern]

7-17

Holy crap

What information are you even expecting from there.

[wicked pollen]

that is too big of a gap

like

mwahi your turn to explain

🙂

[brave jackal]

11 to 12 is a big gap in itself 😅🤣

[ionic fern]

I cba going into data analysis explanations.

[blazing condor]

pepega now you know how to do big dam so just do it again but log it

[lofty warren]

that is a big range. a +17 is harder than +7

[blazing condor]

someone else mightve even logged it in your key

[tribal wharf]

i tried long ago to explain to the orange yellow and blues, yogi 2.0, yogis everywhere

and they dont believe me

you never believe it till its IRL infront of your face

[blazing condor]

this isnt irl yogi

[wicked pollen]

idk how to say it

but using information

without 0 context of what it is trying to say

[tribal wharf]

you dont know it till you are staring down the tornadoe about to hit your house, (never happened to me) dunno how else to put it

[wicked pollen]

is just a lack of reading

YOGI

[tribal wharf]

just, bad, misinformed players all over the place

[wicked pollen]

link the ara clip

i want to see it

sacbrood?

https://tenor.com/bzyoi.gif

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVhBv_-MmY

the best part, it starts with me inspecting "peakclown" right before it happens

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/cute202-gif-20765606

ah

week 1 of tww

[hollow sphinx]

Hello, question, as i was 4 weeks not online - is it still a thing, that we craft shield, bracer and belt?

[fiery gale]

I still see people in tool “Kara M0 first boss only”

I remember when we wiped Kara in M0, good times

[orchid gulch]

You craft belt and bracers for embellishments, and shield / weapon if you have nothing better available. In both of these slots you want the highest ilvl available.

[hollow sphinx]

ok thanks

But i now have 3 sparks left, bracers on 636, belt on 619 (both crafted) - should i prio shield (currently 619 - not crafted) and make it first 636?

[fiery gale]

Yeah

Shield is good

[wicked pollen]

if you are not doing mythic probably

[fiery gale]

Weapon too

[wicked pollen]

you could also wait until vault

[fiery gale]

That too

[lofty warren]

someone logged me and my 824k overall in +10 arakara = 758k on wcl

[wicked pollen]

that is what happens in m+

[onyx vessel]

Log them keys and find those 1m overalls

[marble cipher]

Why play prot warrior if this is your result for a key

Makes me sad...

[molten gorge]

[molten gorge]

A lot of it is to do with combat time I think

[hollow sphinx]

whats a good amount of uptime?

[molten gorge]

90%+

[ionic fern]

Blocked hits is 90+.

Uptime is irrelevant without context.

You can have 70 percent uptime on SB but take all hits to the back causing you to block 0 of them.

[marble cipher]

True, but 46% uptime is bad even without context

[earnest cove]

Kiting 90% of combat time and 46% is fine

[brittle owl]

46% uptime sounds about right on a raidboss with even tank swaps

or with kiting in m+ yeah

[fresh pilot]

Anyone else feels like Stonevault is just impossible to do with pugs?

[sweet egret]

no

[fresh pilot]

Not sure why, but that dungeon is my fucking nemesis..

[eager phoenix]

Whats tricky?

[fresh pilot]

surviving basically..

most DPS seem to not keybind interupt.

[eager phoenix]

You can spellblock and spell reflect most of the hard mechanics on tank

[fresh pilot]

yeah i am doing that, its not me thats not surviving, but i always see so many deaths in there

from DPS and healer, since i cant interupt everything

[split remnant]

Boys is someone here playing blood dk too?

I am perma banned from acherus idk why tbh its been years

but how the FUCK do I keep aggro?

its impossible

[rough egret]

do dmg

[sweet egret]

😄

wrong chat

[tribal wharf]

anybody in gaming who says they've never been permabanned from something is a liar

[sweet egret]

O_O

[hoary pivot]

...

[jagged pier]

.....

[sweet egret]

just dont be toxic

[tribal wharf]

back in the day, you'd join a BF2 lobby and "air ram" or some crap then get banned from that server

[sharp gale]

Like dancing rune weapon tombstone into bonestorm shouldn’t do the job ?

[split remnant]

I know it was something toxic but its been years so I dont know 😄

I got permad probably early shadowlands

[tribal wharf]

had stuff like that happen lots, i cant think of a game im permabanned in atm

accounts, old accounts, maybe

like, not like old, like super ancient

[split remnant]

Apex, League, WoW

[tribal wharf]

league

thats about it that i been perma banned on and well, its league

[split remnant]

Apex for literally ONCE saying in chat "You guys are ret*rded"

Literally once and insta perma ban

on an account I sped like 1000$ on

[marble cipher]

Right, but this was a 10 stonevault that requires 0 kiting or tank swapping
But I see your point.

[tribal wharf]

thats what i truly mean about "gamers get banned"

your just playing a game, and then something happens, and then your popped and then gg

sometimes its in your control sometimes not

[split remnant]

Pressing everything does do the trick but if you have pulls like Ara Kara where yo ugo into one big pull into another big one and you dont have cds

On warrior you just thunder clap once and you have aggro forever 😄

[sharp gale]

Yes because you are supposed to wait before taking the next pack

Not just run dumb toward the spider

[split remnant]

So I ma just spoiled from warrior having no need to even use cds? 😄

[sharp gale]

I did few keys on blood when I had copium I would find a raid guild as tank and I need to have blood for ovinax

[tribal wharf]

technically speaking first wow account i had is permabanned, or lost to time or somethin

noooo idea, all i know is friend angry, "hacked" accou nt

[sharp gale]

In higher keys you mount off at the first elites and chain kinda slowly into the spider

[tribal wharf]

and then i just made another account

[sharp gale]

When I say slowly = 3-4 gcd time before taking the next, since you need to prepare with sap and cc on casters etc

[tribal wharf]

yeah, i gave up being toxic im too old for it now

[sharp gale]

But not old enough to be first degree racist on social media with you IRL pp with your name, address, your kids and where your work in bio

[sweet egret]

I feel like I have a hard time believing you are perma banned for something out of your control

but I don't have any experience so I can't really speak to it

[pallid quiver]

If you play enough F2P MMOs, you'll get hit for something eventually.

I was perma-banned from the NA release of Air Rivals, I think? During their pre-release beta because someone called me a terrorist

And the GM just shot me

[sharp gale]

Idk I don’t remember the last time I got perma on something

[pallid quiver]

technically not a perma,

I was only banned for 244 years or something iirc

[tribal wharf]

mostly account sharing, and most of that was limited to room-mate at the time

we had seperate RS accounts and pcs, but not for wow

[sweet egret]

account sharing I think is in your control

[tribal wharf]

until like 6 months

[pallid quiver]

A few people in Maplestory and other Nexon games have also been perma-banned for being online at the same time as someone in their guild exploiting, as well

[sharp gale]

How do they notice account sharing ? Like in WoW is it really punished ? Because my friend went to the army in Switzerland, don’t worry he still had his weekly chest for 2 month

[pallid quiver]

and sometimes they just got hit even without being tangentially related

[tribal wharf]

ya, it wasnt anything serious account sharing, we were just trying to lvl a paladin to 60

do some UBRS on it

[sweet egret]

I mean

it was in your control

[tribal wharf]

that is true, i think there are plenty of examples where people do get banned forever though

and its just someones mad, or someone triggered a glitch that triggeres the mod team

but that paladin wow account, i dont even know if it got banned or wtf cuz later on i just made a new account and he had his own account too so problem solved

[sweet egret]

idk, I've been gaming for 25 years and I've never been perma banned

[tribal wharf]

this was back in the day that all you had was account name and password, no email tied to it yet

and then it got sent to the shadow realm

[sharp gale]

Me too, like I don’t do weird shits, I don’t want to lose my account, but I got banned once on league

14 days

[edgy jay]

Hello guys , does someone has listed all the spells you can intervene ( like 1st Boss NW ) or does a WA exist for ?

[sharp gale]

I don’t know If there is a list but you got second boss of boralus

[sweet summit]

i was gonna make one but i'm too bad at google sheets

[sharp gale]

Last boss mist

And I don’t know others personally

[sweet summit]

first boss nw
throw flesh and fixates nw
mistveil stalker bite (insta cast without showing target so you have to guess)

just some off the top of my head but i swear i'll make one soon..

[sharp gale]

Yes ofc intervene works as in description on cases like on fixates and range attacks

[marble cipher]

you know it's gonna bite cause of the cooldown on the spell, but yeah, it's a hard thing to catch, but feels amazing when you gamble correctly haha

[sharp gale]

It doesn’t fixate you instead

[fervent ridge]

Hey guys, whats a good W/A for ignore pain tracking

like whats remaining etc

as ive tried a few but they arent working

[sharp gale]

I guess you can take ignore pain WA from general WAs

[hoary pivot]

does intervene work on throw knife for the seconds boss of city?

[marble cipher]

yes

(afaik)

[marble night]

should i be trying to avoid the shadow of doubt balls on CoT 1st boss? or is it really up to group to make sure they dont clip me

[sweet summit]

team effort

[sweet egret]

YES

avoid

[sweet summit]

ideally your healer pings who they dispell just before they do

[cerulean ferry]

guys im wondering if someone can help im hovering around 15k haste does anyone know the cosy mark for fishing back shield block charges when swapping to into the fray?

[sweet egret]

just dont swap

[cerulean ferry]

why

it feels free

[sweet egret]

if u need help with uptime it isn't

is it

[cerulean ferry]

you need a certain amount of haste to do it

im asking what haste that is

[sand condor]

I don’t know if there’s a set haste score

[cerulean ferry]

ill get another couple thousand and hit the dummies again

its very close

[violet ginkgo]

just be immortal and you will outlive the banned period then

[sweet egret]

as far as I understood it you need more haste than we have access to in order to reach 100% uptime with into the fray

[tribal wharf]

if i have to play healer i mostly play priest because mass dispell

[sweet egret]

you are probably in the wrong chat

[tribal wharf]

i will not play mistweaver, or probably dragon

[sweet summit]

you want like 21k haste before swapping to ITF assuming you take Wild Strikes and Enduring Alacrity

but that doesn't mean haste past 21k is bad or wasted

[deft mortar]

I never switched out of ITF since DF

[marble cipher]

I'm the oposite, I haven't swapped back to ITF so far, still running HR cause I like the "safety".
Is that right? Probably not, as I've got a fair amount of haste already, and can probably have 100% uptime on block even without HR, but, I like it 🤷‍♂️

[deft mortar]

I ain't dying so it's chill

Only reason keys go down is cuz dps and healers die now

[fallow hinge]

How often should you use shield block when running into the fray and massacre? I feel like im struggling with uptime

[jagged pier]

well u should only be running that in raid

[sweet egret]

we aim to have it up 100% of the time we spend tanking mobs

[jagged pier]

and not pressing bloack when u dont need it

if your running masscre in keys

your are just inting

[fallow hinge]

oh no im not, jsut in raid

so should I just let shield block fall off when im not actively tanking boss in raid? or just use when I have two charges

[tropic tangle]

it still provides 30% damage on your shield slam while up

[jagged pier]

right but taunting with not having max stacks of SB is literally inting

[inner wren]

don't tell me what to do

i'll shield block when i want to

maybe i'm not in the mood

[viral berry]

Good morning everybody

[brittle minnow]

Hey is there like an intervene sheet where i can see where intervene is usefull ?

[vernal aspen]

not sure but I can tell you that you can cheese the first boss in NW with it

I've saved many priests from their demise with it

[dusky canopy]

You essentially toss it on your weakest party memeber during big damage events

[vernal aspen]

also you can yolo it and take a bolt with spellblock/spell reflect up for someone else, things like that

[brittle minnow]

does it work for fleshcrafter ins nw ? double throw flesh ?

[sweet egret]

what is "inting", what do you mean with taunting without max stacks? O_o

[hoary pivot]

Wait it works on spells?

Like on random bolt casts?

Are you sure?

[vernal aspen]

maybe I'm crazy but I think it works, it says ranged attacks right?

[strong forum]

Throw flesh

But not frost bolt

[vernal aspen]

oh...

well at least I've been giving them shields I guess

[tribal wharf]

intentionally <( losing the game )>

[kindred wharf]

Inting is a term that comes from mobas I believe. It means Intentionally feeding by definition but a lot of people use it for basically throwing the game or just doing something dumb that will lose on purpose

[tribal wharf]

ie, you lead your team into the house that is on fire

can be LITERAL ANYTHING

[sweet egret]

so having shield block up is not enough? we need to have both charges up at once? I don't get it

[tribal wharf]

afk, dont hit buttons, hit wrong buttons, face away, dont get healed, any number of mechanics screw ups by players, even dps

[kindred wharf]

Tanking as prot without a shield - inting

It’s dumb and you will not succeed

[tribal wharf]

yup, but because the game at lvl 12 keys is if you dont block the attack or use your reflect

thats an int

[kindred wharf]

Not taking bitter immunity this past week - Inting

[sweet egret]

O_O

[tribal wharf]

thats a hot take and its not from yogi this time

[sweet egret]

I never played with bitter immunity and I doubt I ever will

[tribal wharf]

BI, more like bye bye

bile, i dunno

i never did like the ability sorry, we already got LS (yes i know its different but not really to me kinda)

[small grotto]

hey guys, i think i have little problem with rage sometimes, it is because of haste?

[kindred wharf]

It’s saved me several times. Maybe it’s not Inting i don’t know. I’m only 2.4K so people probably know better than me

[small grotto]

have 24% haste flasked

[tribal wharf]

cuz you can LS for big heal and then stil get smacked for 24m

same as you might with BI

and then you got IV and leech, i just dont get it

[kindred wharf]

I’m not gonna die on the hill I don’t know enough.

[tribal wharf]

i just from every possibly angle that i can see it from i dont see the point of it all

it seems extremely over kill to me

on demand healer i need u healer me and dispel me RN

[sweet egret]

anyone know how to add a custom extra bar on omnicd? like choosing which spells to add to the bar myself

[tribal wharf]

i will say i am open to hearing arguments for using BI more in keys

to be frank, its something i use when leveling up my warrior in between expansions so i can get rid of a debuff, thats about it. then once max turn it off

[mild river]

I was tanking some 13s today (not timing bc we lack dps). People said I should reroll to pally bc its dps is much better than prot. Anyone know if is it true?

[sweet egret]

it is true

[inner wren]

lol imagine taking bitter immunity

[waxen frigate]

Pally cranks damage but if your group isn’t able to time 13s due to low DPS, the tank is not the problem

The dps suck

[tribal wharf]

you know, if i was alliance on my big warrior, dwarf, or dark iron, i would probably run that

[mild river]

Yeah yeah. But it's pug life. Still i wanted to know if the rumors were true

[tribal wharf]

never ever have debuffs on me as tank, ya, that would be great

[inner wren]

Dps is closer than pubs will tell you, IF your team comp benefits from battle shout

Else pally damage blows it out of the water

[sweet egret]

battle shout is big

[tribal wharf]

2 self purges and a 40% wall + critical block all for up to 85% dr is huge

[waxen frigate]

Just look at logs

[tribal wharf]

paladin straight up immune sure is nice though

[mild river]

Thanks for the observations

[mild river]

I wish they buff other tanks than nerf pallies.

[sweet egret]

every spec doesn't have to be the same

[waxen frigate]

The “buff everything” mindset is very dumb and shortsighted 👍

[sweet egret]

we are completely good enough

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L92eMlkIvTA

i mean, this is us during DR cds

[cyan bronze]

kek

i got banned for being banned somewhere else

at least to my knowledge

[cyan bronze]

agreege

if you buff everything you just run higher keys and run prot pally anyways because then you need them to have party live

[violet ginkgo]

I experience this on leveling alts using the classic timewalking dungeon. Prot warrior queuing with 2h axe.

At first I wonder why he die so fast turns out no shield equip and after several warning he ignore so we kick him.

[kindred wharf]

Not sure about classic but not being able to shield slam is a great tell you’re fucking up

[brittle minnow]

hey quik question i saw that slam deals more singletarget dmg as revenge in st wit the same rage cost. i know its small optimisation is it worth pressing slam sometimes on purely single target bosses ?

[jagged pier]

no

it doesnt reset SS

revenge does

[brittle minnow]

i see

thx for answer

[tribal wharf]

i really dont understand why slam and ww exist in prot spell book since SL

but fury has SS SB taunt, etc

so, whatever i guess

[brittle owl]

spin

to

win

[violet ginkgo]

I mean even WW is replaced by Cleave for arms

[brittle owl]

[violet ginkgo]

Revenge should just replace ww

[sharp gale]

SL classes was marketed as « going back to roots » with the success of classic, every class found useless others specs spells in their spell book just for that

But no one on retail want to go back in the Stone Age of wow

[brittle owl]

every "useless spell" as you fine smooth gentlemen put it is an opportunity for a galaxy brain meme build/spec

[sharp gale]

They might do a hero talent in the future or a build where ww replaces tc, we never know

[brittle owl]

or ykno

just play 2H prot like a real man

[tribal wharf]

vault was ass

[real echo]

mythic sac vs rare cloak vs mythic legs 🤔

i have heroic sac maxed currently

[tribal wharf]

just shoulders leech

[glacial pebble]

GL on your vaults today everyone

(simming now, pretty sure sacbrood is going to be the winner)

[cyan bronze]

holy shit

four helmets

one vault

holyshit

[brittle owl]

ew furry gear

[cyan bronze]

u lowkey might have to change ur name

[waxen frigate]

This u?

[cyan bronze]

it was 4 helmets and a cloak

so ye

[pearl nimbus]

Yo! New to prot warr. Is our soft haste cap 24%? Or is it worth going over?

[cyan bronze]

where is this 24% number coming from

[brittle owl]

there are no caps for stats

dr sure

[pearl nimbus]

Thats typically where you see diminished returns

[craggy sonnet]

heroic back or myth track weapon? i have same normal back and a hero tracking weapon

[brittle owl]

but no ca 🧢

[cyan bronze]

ah is that the first dr bracket

[waxen frigate]

No it’s not

[cyan bronze]

thought it was higher ya

[waxen frigate]

And regardless there is no point where you don’t want haste as pear

Pwarr*

[glacial pebble]

I heard there is a talent or rotational change at >21% haste or something? But it was a small benefit

[pearl nimbus]

For context Im a warlock main, and going over 24% is effectively a waste

[brittle owl]

tl;dr don't stop never stopping

[waxen frigate]

The DR brackets are completely irrelevant for 90% of specs

[brittle owl]

haste for life babee

[waxen frigate]

Well this isn’t warlock

[pearl nimbus]

Haha hence why Im asking

[cyan bronze]

uh

[waxen frigate]

Haste>>Crit=Vers>mastery

[cyan bronze]

itf vs hr

maybe

but not at 21% haste

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it would be that but idk the %

[pearl nimbus]

Im pretty high atm

[waxen frigate]

Not really

[glacial pebble]

^That's my sauce, I learned this yesterday

[waxen frigate]

27% isn’t particularly high

[cyan bronze]

21k haste =/= 21%

i have 18k haste

i have 32%

[pearl nimbus]

ooooo okay thats dope

[jagged pier]

thats 21k rating is what hes saying not 21%

[brittle owl]

very short(and prob incomplete explanation):

If a tank spec favors haste that means:

1. There is some sort of ability interaction that increases DR uptime of some sort
2. there is some DR that is affected by haste

therefore: haste is super valuable and never falls off in value

[glacial pebble]

Right, my comment is that there is a "breakpoint", but not a cap

apologies for confusion

[pearl nimbus]

Love that

That makes my life really easy lol

[glacial pebble]

That might be what they were thinking of with a "soft cap"

[brittle owl]

(in a theoretical edge case there is an argument for mastery, but that edge case is rarely achievable)

[pearl nimbus]

I appreciate yall

[waxen frigate]

The breakpoint is just for determining talent choice though

[cyan bronze]

mastery stacking prot war for perma double block

[brittle owl]

you could also just meathead prot and go haste crit just cause you hit things harder and faster

[muted arch]

would you guys drop crests onto this or wait for haste/versa helm off of silkran. 4/8 mythic so clear it weekly

[pearl nimbus]

[cyan bronze]

the correct way

yes

massive crit+mark of khad for massive 1.5m burst

[oak ivy]

RRRRRAAAAAAAAA!!!

(I have had a champ track neck all season)

[sweet summit]

W

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum are you a speed gem enjoyer

[waxen frigate]

Anyone who isn’t is delusional

[cyan bronze]

i fucking love that shit

[waxen frigate]

Yeah .6% extra critical effect will totally help!!

(Tops)

[inner wren]

Everyone should be a speed gem gamer

[waxen frigate]

Compared to like 12% speed

Literally able to dodge mechanics easier

[cyan bronze]

8% speed (gigachad) .6% crit effect(mega virgin)

[waxen frigate]

Real

[oak ivy]

chat how cooked are my stats

[cyan bronze]

wtb that much haste

is that with itf active or no

[oak ivy]

i have it talented but there's no one near me applying it

no flask either

[velvet knot]

Got a mythtrack upgrade of my current tricket

Not bad?

[waxen frigate]

11% crit 💀💀

[cyan bronze]

11% crit holy shit

[oak ivy]

im a vers enjoyer but all of my stats other than haste are kinda cooked

[waxen frigate]

vers enjoyer is an oxymoron

[oak ivy]

3,334 Crit
20,402 Haste
7,421 Vers
4,760 Mast

[cyan bronze]

That’s so despairge

Play roar at that point?

[waxen frigate]

The haste is pog

The crit is pain

[pallid hare]

Any idea why mastery would be simming super high for me?
Sims are sugesting a 3ilvl bracer upgrade over a 17ilvl upgrade in another slot with what is nromally "better" stats
I thought it was our worst stat?

[cyan bronze]

like roar genuinely might sim higher

[oak ivy]

let us see

[waxen frigate]

Link sim

[cyan bronze]

it’s your worst stat at base

but like

[waxen frigate]

You probably fucked up

If it’s saying 3ilvl over 17ilvl

[cyan bronze]

oh wtf

didn’t read that

you can get large returns on small amounts of your least invested stat routinely

[oak ivy]

yea roar sims higher for me

[cyan bronze]

cus no crit

spear chomps crit

what capstone did you sim @oak ivy

[oak ivy]

I do enjoy having a 45sec threat help vs. 90sec

[pallid hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bz3B6ts3WRhKXQVtrmLvrg

[cyan bronze]

everytime i simmed roar

90 sec roar simmed higher

[gleaming fern]

which one is best for prot?

[oak ivy]

Oops. one small talent change will prob make spear sim better

[cyan bronze]

this isnt a fair sim

[waxen frigate]

You’re simming the bracers at 639

[cyan bronze]

you simmed a stam talent in one

[waxen frigate]

Other pieces at lower ilvl

[cyan bronze]

and no weapon throw

i forget the name

[oak ivy]

Sidearm

[pallid hare]

oh thats weird 🙂
thanks, knew something funky had to be up

[waxen frigate]

You’re simming the bracers and belts at 639, everything else is 632 from vault

[pallid hare]

idk why it didnt assume the full upgrade, but yep makes sense now. thanks for being my QAQC

ill fix and rerun

[cyan bronze]

take off the points in cdr and the two in stam @oak ivy

for the sim

[oak ivy]

i am a coward and like big health bar

[waxen frigate]

You might be low on valor stones or something

[cyan bronze]

ok that’s fine

[waxen frigate]

Make sure you set your resources to max at the top

[cyan bronze]

but you would still run it with roar

[oak ivy]

oh yeah in that case it's far and away spear> even with no crit

[cyan bronze]

is the point im trying to make

you’re simming spear w/ -3 dmg talents

vs troar with full dmg talents

[oak ivy]

i mean spear is winning even with -3 dmg talents

[cyan bronze]

ya

[sweet summit]

shard

[oak ivy]

wait no i'm dumb lmao

[gleaming fern]

ty

[oak ivy]

how get stam talent with roar and not troll dps too super hard

[cyan bronze]

drop 45 sec I believe idk tbh

iirc the other capstone simmed better for me

[pallid hare]

yeah tbh it was probaby user error on my part, normally i max upgrade stuff before... maybe i did it mid-though and didnt notice or something else silly. thank you for the help

[craggy sonnet]

hey, which would be better for prot, M track weapon or HC rash back? already have back N tracking.

[sweet summit]

weppy

[waxen frigate]

No prob

[craggy sonnet]

not sure how to sim for tank

[sweet summit]

you sim for damage, just like you do as dps

[craggy sonnet]

got it

[cyan bronze]

no blood surge? @oak ivy

[oak ivy]

Any time i've ever run it it was like 5% of my rage gen n i'm not feeling particularly starved

rather have tlord for shout uptime

[cyan bronze]

show of force

is the point you drop for it

maybe sims higher, idk

but generally people run bloodsurge > sof

[oak ivy]

i'll give it a go

Strangely crit sims better dps increase when running troar compared to when running spear

granted stat weight sims are yikes

for me*

[plush tendon]

I got a 2h in my vault... debating if I should convert my warrior to DPS

[queen oasis]

is it better to switch to a dps spec for vault ? or does it even matter?