I used my Pocket Fel Spreader and everywhere the green goo was players appeared
#protection
tender reef
they all down in the time event
lilac sedge
ofcourse the furry knows
round pendant
nah it's LITERALLY a ghost town
I saw a guy phase in at the inn
and immediately phase out
strong forum
It is low yeah, got any logs?
round pendant
Toys despawn instantly too
strong forum
and immediately phase out
Maybe you smell
kind maple
It is low yeah, got any logs?
I will log it soon, rn walking
tender reef
It is low yeah, got any logs?
im at 621 and even below 600k you got purple boys
strong forum
Look at the date of the rest of them
NW is like 3 weeks ago
Stonevault like 4 weeks ago
I have like 20ilvl more since then
tender reef
yeah but you also run with giga chads
go pugging with loser nerds like the rest of us
your number go down too
JUST TO BE FAIR here for a second
here you boosted your gf
😄
still that rouge and shammy dmg
ur dmg insane too
strong forum
Well ofc
tender reef
but you also RAN COLOSS
strong forum
I don't pug
tender reef
you said no colos for m+
jagged pier
wish i could find a emogf
tender reef
reeeeee
jagged pier
strong forum
Same
strong forum
Always do
tender reef
and 632 i lvl
cmon man
thats not a measurement you expect us to do
run 17er with that gear and build pull the same numbers and then i suck you off
high wyvern
Have you tried including your warcraft logs on your tinder profile
jagged pier
Have you tried including your warcraft logs on your tinder profile
i know someone who linked his logs in their tinder profile
it did not work
jagged pier
he was a healer tho
jagged pier
so they probably thought he was a simp
high wyvern
Make sure you emphasize you are a PROTECTION warrior
jagged pier
tender reef
What's this then
healer carry
high wyvern
Its a number game
1000 girls might swipe pass you, but eventually you gonna find that one mommy goth wow lover needing a tank for her M0
jagged pier
yer ill shkip not doing m0s thnks
jagged pier
i actually prefer delves to pugging m+
if 11s gave 623 in vault i would do them instead
high wyvern
Ye no way the M+ community would flip out
jagged pier
they flip out over anything
high wyvern
Imagine even less Tank and Healer
high wyvern
They wont
They will make protest group in LFG
Bro when i made my groups I have 50 dps signing up
Its not personal that i dont take you man theres 50 of you
obsidian frost
Is there a point of too much haste? Or just haste till i die?
jagged gust
Gotta go fast
jagged pier
haste till u die
obsidian frost
Sweet! At like 20k now
high wyvern
Is there a point of too much haste? Or just haste till i die?
You wont reach haste breaking point really this season
Maybe season 4?
tender reef
if 11s gave 623 in vault i would do them instead
true though
jagged gust
Zekvir ?? Should have a chance to drop myth gear
regal yarrow
You wont reach haste breaking point really this season
Am I missing something? Is haste not getting DRs past 30% now?
jagged gust
Doesn't matter
jagged pier
Zekvir ?? Should have a chance to drop myth gear
nah its a joke
high wyvern
Still ur best stats
jagged gust
Technically all stats past 0 have dr if you think about it
high wyvern
Im sure theres some math wizard here
obsidian frost
Technically all stats past 0 have dr if you think about it
high wyvern
With ITF and like 45% haste or something then it might be bad?
Some math god out there will tell us
jagged gust
We just let a robot tell us when to stop, then tell the robot to fuck off and stack it more anyways
ashen owl
Yo ! New to this discord. Is Mountain Thane still best for pushing 11s 12s? In 11s i finish with around 750k dps (in the meter) and close 400k hps
Just pugs, nothing coordonated
jagged gust
Thane is more defensive oriented, colo is more damage. If the damage scare you personally, swap to thane
vernal aspen
I switch to Thane for pugging because otherwise I feel like wet paper
ashen owl
I feel tanky, but huge pulls that last too long are killing me eventually, but that is pug life i guess.
vernal aspen
my dps as Thane blows, I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what
ashen owl
What's the dmg bonus of colosus? Don't feel i should sacrifice survivability for 100k dps.. or at least it wouldn't make a huge difference.
vernal aspen
did this key today and felt like I was sandbagging 
jagged gust
Revenge hits like a truck and so does demolish
At a loss of 6% dr on average and fewer IP casts
ashen owl
IP? What's that acronym?
jagged gust
Ignore pain
ashen owl
O nvm ignore pakn
Sorry mostly played hunter so warrior slang is still not set in the brain
jagged gust
We toss around acronyms constantly, no worries
ashen owl
6% DR doesn't sound huge
Each class spec does, it takes some time to learn.
Pugging made me switch to maining a tank and i liked prot warr even when it was shite
jagged gust
Well it's 2% passively with 8% from demo with a 50% uptime to average it out
So it does reduce damage well in big pulls
ashen owl
Guesd i gotta do my homework
Saw top ppl playing my and it's also recommended in most guided
I quite like it, but wanna know if I'm missing out
jagged gust
Pugging is a mixed bag, sometimes your DPS matters more than others when your group isn't pulling its weight, but thane definitely has more safety nets.
violet ginkgo
Yeah I feel that, sometimes I just felt really nice when ppl dpsing fast and everything die quick, but sometimes adds just doesn't quickly die even if this is tyran week
tropic tangle
it's absolutely night and day when you have DPS that push buttons, know which packs need to die fast, etc.
blazing condor
crazy
nimble laurel
what are the benefits of Colossus over Mountain Thane for m+? Is it more overall damage?
tropic tangle
colossus more dam, thane has better rage gen/overall tankiness
kind maple
It is low yeah, got any logs?
vernal aspen
what's the other build?
cyan bronze
there’s like, 3 bsv builds
one drops enduring alacrity, and is pretty ass
one drops shield charge and takes bolster+bsv
that one feels nice
nom says the no shield charge one is the best bsv build, and certainly does feel that way
bitter zealot
I kinda wanna try that out
cyan bronze
felt nice on the keys i played on it yday; probably didnt need it but was scared @610 walking into 12s,13s, so w/e
ran it for mists&wake iirc
bitter zealot
What's the best site to look at alt builds?
violet ginkgo
Icyvein and Wowhead will do just fine
build that will work for 95% of population I believe?
jagged pier
wowhead got alot of builds
cyan bronze
ye bsv is kinda mid for 99% of ppl
jagged pier
the thing with bsv is, its not a cheat death it does work in that way some times but u can still die with it up, and u always have to drop somthing that is more useful more of the time so u have to be aware that is the trade off
jagged pier
👋
lone bane
someone has a link or something for high key routes? trying to push further than 12s and especially looking for efficient mdt routes
pallid quiver
the thing with bsv is, its not a cheat death it does work in that way some time...
The other part to know that matters about it not being a cheat is that it can qctuvate before you want it to, even if you're not at all at threat, unlike a cheat
Cheats will only activate when you die; BSV can activate just from you getting low, even if you getting low is expected like from Dawnbreaker beam tankbuster
So it can sometimes be very demanding that you adhere to its needs
Rather than it being flexible to your needs
cyan bronze
idk there’s not a lot of dungs where i feel like bsv is worth
I like it on mists, and necrotic
and that’s it
pallid quiver
It's not bad, but most peo-
My guy just press your defensives on mists
There are like two movs that hurt you at all, and Prot War has the single best tools for dealing with them
jagged pier
i mean someone earlier was saying they died with it up like it would save them
ppl really do think its a cheat death
yes it can save u once
but u can just die after its saved u once
cyan bronze
idk im still fotm and rerolled recently and doing keys I shouldn’t be, the only thing in mists that will brick is double guard
jagged pier
and u still have the buff
pallid quiver
-ple either use it to make up for them not pressing buttons or are living on cope by seeing it activate
cyan bronze
and idk cd rotation for 2nd double guard in a row
jagged pier
idk im still fotm and rerolled recently and doing keys I shouldn’t be, the only ...
fotm is ppala
cyan bronze
which is where my bsv procced
jagged pier
time to reroll again
cyan bronze
fotm is ppala
I’m not playing that shit.
jagged pier
its better
cyan bronze
I already spent like 15 hours on dummy’s man
pallid quiver
But Jakey, muh battle shout
cyan bronze
vdh was 
jagged pier
But Jakey, muh battle shout
pallid quiver
If most tanks are gonna be poo poo anyway when I'm playing my Enha, they might as well give me dam
cyan bronze
also
i think playing both double wall and bsv is so fucking troll
i don’t think there’s a single pull you need two walls and a bsv proc back to back this season
cyan bronze
i could see the use case for it, but again, id rather take bsv than double wall
jagged pier
ppl have been linking logs of double shield wall at least they are using it back to back sometimes
but the question is, is that really needed?
pallid quiver
Yeah, they're getting better about actually using it
jagged pier
havent looked into it much but in 95-99% of the time probably not
pallid quiver
So I will give them props for that
wicked pollen
diva did you play my build yet
pallid quiver
havent looked into it much but in 95-99% of the time probably not
Every log I've seen so far, which hasn't been for a few weeks tbh, they needed it in the 14s because they didn't press spell block
So they didn't actually need it
wicked pollen
cyan bronze
felt like i never had shield wall.
jagged pier
well u dont
copper grail
What are you guys referring to when you say 'double wall'? Is there a talent where you get two charges?
wicked pollen
yes
jagged pier
because u get more sheidl walls with the other talent
cyan bronze
idk it felt so fucking bad
wicked pollen
choice node
pallid quiver
felt like i never had shield wall.
Yeah, you get notably less casts out in exchange for being able to use two back to back. People think you get more shield walls from the 30s cdr on that talent, ut that's only the case if you suck a lot of ass
cyan bronze
like what is the shield wall cast dif if played optimal
young tide
What should be the first item to craft Mythic for prot? I read somewhere Belt or Bracers?
cyan bronze
it feels massive
copper grail
Which one is it? I'm not finding it as I'm trying to follow along with this conversation lol
pallid quiver
What are you guys referring to when you say 'double wall'? Is there a talent whe...
Impenetrable Wall is on a choice noe with it
jagged pier
What should be the first item to craft Mythic for prot? I read somewhere Belt or...
depends on your char and what u plan to do
pallid quiver
It reduces Shield Wall CD by 30 and gives a second charge
copper grail
Oh got it, thanks
cyan bronze
like idk i feel like i have wall up for the start of every single pull with single wall
pallid quiver
It costs you overall survival by a lot
cyan bronze
and never for double wall
pallid quiver
As you lose rage gen and get less shield walls
jagged pier
like idk i feel like i have wall up for the start of every single pull with sing...
literally because u do
young tide
depends on your char and what u plan to do
Mainly i want to gear up for our raid, but im getting into hier keys now to gear my char
cyan bronze
literally because u do
ofc but it’s two part, no?
pallid quiver
literally because u do
unless you're in low keys and packs are getting absolutely blasted
young tide
higher*
cyan bronze
youre more likely to instant rip a wall
with double wall
because of lower overall mit
jagged pier
if u take IW u get a SW every 40-50 cds if u use it on cd
is u take DA u get it like every 2 minutes + and extra charge which if u dont let recoop back is only ever 1 charge
jagged pier
Mainly i want to gear up for our raid, but im getting into hier keys now to gear...
and what lvl do u raid at?
cyan bronze
is it actually double LMAO
young tide
atm HC, probaböly going into M next week
cyan bronze
i figured rage cdr would be a bit more, but idk tbh
pallid quiver
You get extra rage gen, too, from Imp Wall, and that rage scales with Violent Outburst
cyan bronze
idk what % of wall cdr comes from ss itself, and anger management ig is my question
jagged pier
dont get me wrong double SW is amazing in niche places, but generally if u can work around not having it u are going to be far better off with IW
cyan bronze
You get extra rage gen, too, from Imp Wall, and that rage scales with Violent Ou...
yo that’s craazy
pallid quiver
So it's a lot more cdr than it sounds like
jagged pier
atm HC, probaböly going into M next week
well if u plan on high keys and doing mythic getting a myth track shield and wep very easy
so just craft emblishments and be done
which is bracers and belt
cyan bronze
tldr im never talenting double wall again
I didn’t even get to double wall once in the key I tested it in
pallid quiver
So you also lose avatar casts losing imp wall, costing you rage and thunder blasts over time, as well as violent ourbursts and Indom healing
cyan bronze
because I never got to have two charges
young tide
well if u plan on high keys and doing mythic getting a myth track shield and wep...
ight, ty very much
pallid quiver
It's really bad unless you're doing some crazy shit pulls to talent double wall
cyan bronze
like genuinely
double wall feels like a go into key rip two walls go out swap back to single wall
if timer is free
pallid quiver
And you usually can't even make it halfway to pulls like that without the DPS dying before you enter the dungeon just from the intent alone
jagged pier
like if u never let your shield recoop to 2 charges after u use both in a pull
u just have a worse SW
cyan bronze
ye
jagged pier
thats the trade off
cyan bronze
and found largely that the talent is giga ass.
jagged pier
NW first pull sure
u need it
arguements can be made for guardians in mists too
outside of that im not so sure
maybe grim
the trash there sucks
cyan bronze
arguements can be made for guardians in mists too
do you?
jagged pier
but u can SR and spell block alot of that
sweet summit
double wall goes hard in db
pallid quiver
I don't think they're good arguments, personally
cyan bronze
double guard feels easier on my 610 prot war than my vdh idk
pallid quiver
Since you can SR one slash, spell block the other late into the cast
jagged pier
double wall goes hard in db
very well might be true
pallid quiver
Then spell block should be active for the next cast
cyan bronze
spell reflect turns double guard into 1.5 guard
oh btw meant to ask
does sr cdr talent let you reflect every guard
wicked pollen
no
cyan bronze
zz
jagged pier
nopers
jagged pier
but there is a timing where u can get sr for the first sets without it
cyan bronze
ya, you can prob reflect every set now that i think about it
jagged pier
nah
cyan bronze
if you let the slash hit on like 1 sec?
wicked pollen
do double guardian packs live longer rhan 30?
cyan bronze
o rly
jagged pier
doesnt quite line up
cyan bronze
sadge
cyan bronze
it felt very close when i was hitting it on cast
so maybe possible
also how does sr actually work?
like
it doesnt double reflect slash, why?
jagged pier
u have to like SR less than 1 second before the first one starts the cast
quite hard to notice when lots of stuff going on in the pack
cyan bronze
can it reflect multiple spells, just dif ID?
wicked pollen
spell per reflect
wicked pollen
diva did you play my execute build yet :3
cyan bronze
kek
@jagged pier what are your thoughts on roar for snap in mists (assuming pet class/idk what other class can still pull)
cyan bronze
ye might just be gear issue or bad play
didn’t have aoe taunt for every one, and some of the packs have double charger, bit aids if you can’t snap before they charge+melee whoever
cyan bronze
sometimes they charge from walled room to targeted player, and will go like sonic
but prob bad play
jagged pier
Taunt them when they run past i guess
cyan bronze
ye
deft mortar
god dammnit
cyan bronze
only was issue with 2x charger
deft mortar
I only ever get Grim Batol or Necrotic Wake 12+ keys
cyan bronze
and didn’t have mass taunt
deft mortar
Now I got GB 13
jagged pier
single taunat
cyan bronze
also, I notice people run 45 sec troar
jagged pier
leap taunt the other one
jagged pier
because they dont use it for damage
cyan bronze
ah ig
jagged pier
they use its for snap threat / they copied the first person to use it
simple drum
What dps spec do you guys enjoy more right now when you’re not a Prot gamer, Arms or Fury
jagged gust
Fury
jagged pier
What dps spec do you guys enjoy more right now when you’re not a Prot gamer, Arm...
Ele shaman
simple drum
Ele shaman
Is it cranked rn after nerfs? Lol
cyan bronze
oh one last one jakey, do you know of any decent VO conditionals WA’s? ie; with vo proc, in 8+/4t(coll/thane) no avatar, no tb it displays tc icon, etc?
if not i can prob just make it myself, but just curious if you something similar
craggy frost
What’s our best bet for setting loot spec as prot, fury?
Ignore that, should’ve read the pins!
jagged pier
Is it cranked rn after nerfs? Lol
Its good
jagged pier
oh one last one jakey, do you know of any decent VO conditionals WA’s? ie; with ...
I just use brain
cyan bronze
Kk
wild anvil
my first craft upgrade should be shield to 636 right? thats the most important thing for defenses?
cyan bronze
oh this one is , but is TB+vo+seismic reverb more prio dmg than one vo+ss? doubt, but figured id ask
ig it might matter if avatar or not, but
nimble laurel
no
violet ginkgo
I have 36% hate, is this too much?
1 thing you need to know, as prot there is nothing as "too much haste"
robust urchin
Took some oxy for some pain today im literally IP spamming irl
glass totem
I only play m+ with trinkets should I aim for? Just got the one from Ara. Suggestion for a second?
waxen orbit
1.41mil overall in a 2 chested 11 mists with 15 deaths
Could have probably been like
1.6mil.
if no troll
Regardless tho this shit feels awesome >12 keys
This feels like SL prot warr
but without ping pong gameplay
1.3 mil on first boss as tank feels crazy
Like sustained even outside of burn phase
10/10 recommend
old basin
hey @jagged pier
drifting dagger
Ooh a colossus gamer
waxen orbit
Def could do more if I finally got around to upgrading everything and getting my valorstones
and made my second craft
violet ginkgo
so what is the story on that enhance shaman and boomy?
waxen orbit
Carries
Boomie was a friend that needed 11 and gear
Shaman was random LFG dreg
Now that i think of it with a whole group of gamers it prolly could have been like 1.8 mil holy fuck
Crazy potential
violet ginkgo
ah well understandable for the boomie if lacking gear, but that shaman was a bit too close to tank DPS, should've press more button.
waxen orbit
Agreed
Still was a 2 chest despite everything tho which is hilarious
I'll try it in 12 and above soon
Obviously it's nowhere near MT but
Maybe I try it like a 12 mists/dawn/wake/arakara
It's for sure way less tanky
Extremely punishing of any sort of mismanagement
Thankfully 11 and below is turbo free but I'm skeptical of how well it'd hold up with the 12 uptick in difficulty
cosmic canyon
the wording on this makes me read it's possible it affects all enemies even if I only apply punish to one target, but it's only vs the target with the debuff who is doing less dmg to me yea?
waxen orbit
It's not AOE
inner oracle
the wording on this makes me read it's possible it affects all enemies even if I...
Yes, target you hit with SS
cosmic canyon
figured. cheers
lime mantle
What was the colossus build if I may peep?
deft mortar
Ngl Blood Rage + 6k strength on use + avatar into Demolish goes hard
In Mists 1st boss
Single cast did 25M lol
patent jolt
is colossus worth playing at all or is thane just better?
deft mortar
Colossus big worth if your dmg taken is no issue
I do like 1.3M overall as Colossus in low keys lol
(Nome inc to tell us he does that as Thane in 12 keys)
waxen orbit
Thane is always your play in 12 and above
Extreme copium for your healer to play Colossus where you'll need more healing
Even if you play correctly
patent jolt
ah, well thats rough
i mean this is a new alt so not really planning on doing any 10+ for a while so
waxen orbit
That was my build
waxen orbit
What was the colossus build if I may peep?
Could do more dam without spellblock and bloodsurge and using double bloodborne but
Wanted to have the extra rage and a little spell defensiveness for the Guardian slashes when reflect is on CD
to make it as smooth as possible
deft mortar
Spellblock is for kittens
waxen orbit
Or for when you do enough dam it just don't matter
deft mortar
I think some pulls I do like 600k hps just from BV feeding into IP and Leech as colossus
And that's about my dmg taken too
small grotto
Guys what do u think about crafted ring? a lot of top players got it
deft mortar
Imo if you can sustain that way it's superior spec
river vine
is there any decent tank trinkets apart from the one from silken court?
waxen orbit
RAM
waxen orbit
Sacbrood
small grotto
yeah sacbrood + (?)
tribal wharf
orator but its more dmg oriented
patent jolt
how does the defensive profiles change between the 2? Rage generation?
waxen orbit
Boils down to secondaries and when you use it
river vine
i've got 639 skarmorak and 626 sacbrood but was hoping to get something to help survivablility as i'm starting to push 12's-13's
waxen orbit
You should be fine with just that imo
tribal wharf
basically, use a dmg trinket
waxen orbit
But for maximum comfort, it really is just Silken Court trinket
tribal wharf
because actual tank trinkets suck ass
waxen orbit
It's obscenely busted
tribal wharf
always have kinda
waxen orbit
Legit just Aegis from SL
patent jolt
does the desired stats change between colossus and thane or is it still haste vers?
untold bane
hi guys does ignore pain scale with strength
waxen orbit
Everything does
untold bane
because removing khardros didn't change tooltip and wowhead states 0.3*maxhp
patent jolt
Imo if you can sustain that way it's superior spec
could you perhaps explain colossus to me a bit? would like to see both sides of the coin lol
waxen orbit
could you perhaps explain colossus to me a bit? would like to see both sides of ...
Colossus essentially boils down to significantly less rage gen
Less rage = Less defensive potential
untold bane
khardros is passive str
waxen orbit
But if you have a lot of leech, the higher your dam is, the more leech healing you'll have
Thing is, that leech is consistent across both specs
deft mortar
could you perhaps explain colossus to me a bit? would like to see both sides of ...
I only use it for low keys where I can sustain my dmg taken through leech and brutal vitality
waxen orbit
And both do nearly equivalent AOE damage so
deft mortar
I get like 1M revenge crits and spam revenge as rage dump instead IP, because IP is capped
patent jolt
i assumed it was mostly about rage gen. Well thats a rip i guess
deft mortar
As soon as you need to use your rage for IP spam to survive spec gets shit imo
patent jolt
ole well
cyan bronze
thane does ok dmg also
deft mortar
Oh yeah ofc
waxen orbit
Should still be doing like 1mil + overall
deft mortar
Those feel so good
patent jolt
i shall stick to thane then for now. Thanks all
deft mortar
As does a demolish on a boss that takes extra damage for a phade
Seeing the last tick crit 10-15M is therapy
I also use classic numbers addon so it blurps
patent jolt
also spear over breath always or is there different cases>
deft mortar
Breath? Is that DK speak
Think u mean roar
I think it depends on how you sim
I got 7% crit so spear does nothing for me
patent jolt
yeh mb
waxen orbit
If I got 22% crit
Would it be wiser
to use spear
then
?
I thought about it
Hypothetically can use both LMAO
lean arch
what % of a healer's healing should be on prot war in a key? is that even a useful metric?
patent jolt
so more crit means spear better cause of increase crit damage in spear? Makes sense
deft mortar
0.22*0.25 is 5.5%, so you are doing 5.5% more dmg during spear on averave
But spear also lines up with all your other CDs
So it amps you while you are popping off
cosmic canyon
hi guys does ignore pain scale with strength
the cap is 30%, but you won't get 30% from one cast of IP. Also you can increase the "cap" cieling by going for the hero talent
dunno if it moves the cap to 50% or 30 x 1.2 = 36%
patent jolt
interesting to think about. It lines up with larger CD's
deft mortar
Let's say you're doing 3M dps, that 25% dmg done at 22% crit should do like 1M dmg I think over 6 seconds
But if u line it up with empowered TB etc can be more
Gotta sim
cosmic canyon
what % of a healer's healing should be on prot war in a key? is that even a usef...
it is a useful metric to see how much of your incomming damage you're able to outheal
some healers have really fast 'heals' so they heal prior to some of your stuff. But in most scenarios you can think of incomming heals as "damage reduction"
but, the more spike damage you take, the less useful that way of thinking is
sustained = = .
deft mortar
I like it if it's below the dps
Or healer himself
And what the healing on me is
If it's earthshield etc. I'm chill
Think high keys they gotta actively heal sometimes tho
untold bane
the cap is 30%, but you won't get 30% from one cast of IP. Also you can increase...
but does strength increase amount gain from cast
untold bane
not the cap, the immediate amount upon button press
cosmic canyon
but does strength increase amount gain from cast
based on attackpower and multiplied by versatility like most other stuff
attackpower comes from strength and/or mastery multiplier
and the max it stacks, idk if they changed this
but it used to be 1.3x how much one cast gave you. So if you casted two IP's in a row, it gave 130% of one cast maximum
if you increased how much one cast gave you, you also increased the 'cap' higher.
How it is today I'm not up to speed on. perhaps @strong forum is able to clarify. and/or someone else.
small grotto
Guys what do u think about crafted ring? a lot of top players got it
cosmic canyon
I also don't know how the multiplier on "No stranger to pain" hero talent is. if it's assuming your attackpower is 20% higher in regards to IP or however it works.
small grotto
Guys what do u think about crafted ring? a lot of top players got it
cosmic canyon
what crafted ring?
lime mantle
Why dragon?
Higher DPS I assume?
sweet summit
because removing khardros didn't change tooltip and wowhead states 0.3*maxhp
idk if it was answered and i cba checking but the cap is detemined by max HP and the tooltip just shows "up to" (the cap)
sweet summit
Guys what do u think about crafted ring? a lot of top players got it
is that because they have 639 shield/weapon and only one other embellshment?
cuz u can only get lining on armor slots, and i guess that is the best option for jewellery
fiery gale
Does that just mean it is possible to pool a bigger IP shield, or does it mean that IP shields for 70% intake instead of 50%?
sweet summit
literally the message before yours
sweet summit
cosmic canyon
but cap remains the same
where did they change this after bfa? dragonflight? tww? shadowlands?
weak flame
Hey team! im a mistweaver player and im wondering how Life Cocoon interacts with Ignore Pain. As in If i put Lift Cocoon on Prot war does the Ignore Pain get absorbed 1st or the Life Cocoon?
waxen orbit
Probably less worth without bloodborne
cosmic canyon
Hey team! im a mistweaver player and im wondering how Life Cocoon interacts with...
you mind reminding us how cocoon works? the text on the spell?
ty nom
cosmic canyon
Hey team! im a mistweaver player and im wondering how Life Cocoon interacts with...
don't know, could be tested vs a raidboss dummy
good question
but, why do you want to know this?
weak flame
Mistweaver discord didnt seem to know either lol
cosmic canyon
any good warrior constantly tries to have IP up, with the exception for pure dps 'raid' scenarios where they won't be taking damage directly.
weak flame
Just out of curiosity. My prot war friend thinks ignore pain is absorbed before the Cocoon so was just confirming
were more M+ players
cosmic canyon
ideally it absorbs 50% of damage taken & cocoon absorbs the rest
weak flame
When my mate in on later ill test it on the raid dummy
tribal wharf
ya, the number does change on some factors, i know at one point it was based on attack power then it was on hp
cosmic canyon
managed to pimp my hp to 17.x kk something with steadfast of the peaks & rallying cry
wild anvil
Haste crit are our top stats right or haste vers?
strong forum
ilvl > haste >> crit >= vers > mastery
crit for more dmg and better in big pulls
vers for flat dmg reduction
wild anvil
So crit vs vers is mostly preference?
pallid quiver
They're close enough, honestly, that if you really want vers, you can,
But since they're close enough, you also might as well go crit if given a choice
mr. theorycrafter, theorycraft my cow mog, thx, is totem optimal or no totem
This trading post had some real good jazz in it
strong forum
its a tauren
cosmic canyon
is there a simple way to see damage mitigated from spell-block in warcraftlogs ? to gauge how useful it is ?
strong forum
nothing fixes a tauren
cosmic canyon
mby in wowanalyzer? details? someplace else?
pallid quiver
I can never make Nome happy ;-;
strong forum
gotta sift through the log
and check manually what you spellblocked
for how much
(its really fucking big)
outside of maybe like Ara Kara, Mists or NW post 1st pull
cosmic canyon
(its really fucking big)
the log, or the damage mitigated? 😛
molten gorge
😳
strong forum
the mitigation
deft mortar
Spell Reflect the most important defensive in the game for M+ ngl
cosmic canyon
if you block and have 100% block chance (sb) will your additional normal block chance from say mastery add to your total chance of critical blocking? Also, question nr2, how does critical strike chance add to critical block chance? is it as simple as block chance + crit = critical block chance?
tribal wharf
im pretty sure its entirely mastery
you get a small amount of that effect from just existing though, even with zero mastery
cosmic canyon
How much mastery would you need to have 100% crit block chance?
tribal wharf
no idea but probably an insane amount
that would be incredibly broken if you critically blocked 100% of attacks
stupendously so instant within an hour nerf
summer finch
How hard is prot warrior? Coming from someone who just started the game 2 weeks ago I got one to lvl 20 and deleted cuz I keep getting kicked from the time walking dungeons can I understand it better if I just lvl 70 boost one?
buoyant lintel
keep shield block up and use all your cds
the barrier to entry is low especially with the easy learning curve with normals and heroics and m0s
at low levels you dont need to worry about maximizing your damage, just keep aggro one veryone, group up the mobs, and dont die
and make sure your team isnt dying too
glad brook
Is there a weakaura that says “spell reflect” When you need to?
pallid quiver
How hard is prot warrior? Coming from someone who just started the game 2 weeks ...
In terms of difficulty among tanks, it depends on your ease of pressing buttons fast. Prot War rotationally is very simple, but requires you to press very fast
There's minimal amounts of defensive minigame play as compared to managing bone shield stacks or anything, and dedicated BDKs already say there's no real bone shield management, so
sand pebble
How hard is prot warrior? Coming from someone who just started the game 2 weeks ...
no stick to leveling it, learn what each ability does when you get it - an issue for new players is information overload with boosted toons
tribal wharf
How hard is prot warrior? Coming from someone who just started the game 2 weeks ...
its, um, you have to know things before they happen and then copium your way out of situations
summer finch
When u say keep it up what do you mean I'm still new lol but I do have a blood dk and love it its already 70 from lvling
tribal wharf
but we can quite strongly cope
old basin
the mitigation
hey
sand pebble
When u say keep it up what do you mean I'm still new lol but I do have a blood d...
https://wago.io/K2jYdQHr5 - legit is easy to keep up, have shield block active at all times as it also increases shield sslam damage by 30% when active
summer finch
I'm pretty good with a lot of info at one time but I do get wanting to lvl the toon myself I wanted to but ppl made me feel like I was bad at the class so I made a blood dk and ever got kicked maybe I was just doing it wrong lol
tribal wharf
https://youtu.be/NNv2RHR62Rs?si=H9gc664_cu0-M0Sv btw pov you put 45k points into mastery or versa because you died and were told by some random you need 40% versa cuz tank in mdi had it and you need it too if we are going to time this key
we had someone ask how much for 100%crit block w mastery.
tawny current
Was 100% crit block even possible during Remix?
sand pebble
I'm pretty good with a lot of info at one time but I do get wanting to lvl the t...
this is players in general tbh, tanks are expected to know every single dungeon/mob/pull/ etc at all times - its hard for neew players but i promise pnce you learn pwar its the best tank in the game
sand pebble
Was 100% crit block even possible during Remix?
yep
summer finch
https://wago.io/K2jYdQHr5 - legit is easy to keep up, have shield block active a...
Oh OK thanks I get what your saying now
sand pebble
❤️
i like to pair it with but its spammy in /s https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1
pallid quiver
I'm pretty good with a lot of info at one time but I do get wanting to lvl the t...
Prot War doesn't really function right until like level 60, so that might be part of it, but BDK is also more forgiving of mistakes because you press one button and boo boo go away if you didn't die
And your average person has absolutely zero idea how tanks work, even if they're a tank player
summer finch
Prot War doesn't really function right until like level 60, so that might be par...
OK I want to be a tank and healer mains I have resto shaman I'm lvling I just dont want to use my boost on a toon I'm not going to use but I think I'm going to boost it and hope I get the hang of it lol I want to use a shield:/
pallid quiver
You could check out Prot Pal, then, as well, if Prot War wasn't vibing with you
red dock
Any tips or suggestions to try to start pushing into 12+ keys. Kind of bored with the game and thats the only thing that sounds enjoyable but seems quite daunting without a consistent group.
urban portal
make sure you get the fundamnetals down
summer finch
You could check out Prot Pal, then, as well, if Prot War wasn't vibing with you
I've watched a lot of warr videos and I think I would like playing it
fair silo
I've started pushing 13+, i've got 3k today
The best tip i would give about 12+ is simply that you have to accept that a lot of key will be depleted especially with pick ups
otherwise it's about knowing your char, what kind of pull you can handle, the basic routes of each dungeon, what you can deflect to make your life easier (especially in grim batol), when to cd
The first time i went to db12 i just dieded on first boss because the laser just one shotted me without any kind of cd (except IP)
red dock
otherwise it's about knowing your char, what kind of pull you can handle, the ba...
Laser?
fair silo
Obsidian blast i think it's called
the beams
When the boss casts them, it also deals an extreme amount of damage on the tank (without touching the beams)
In 11< you can juste facetank it with IP and you won't die (except if you're low ilvl) but in 12+ i have to cd to survive (at the bare minimum reflect, but usually reflect + demoralizing shout)
fair silo
same for the second boss of DB, the anti tank bump
in 11 you just facetank it
in 12+ you cd or you die
some tank busters become way more noticable
First boss of CoT deals tons of damage with its anti tank hit
same for the first boss of GB
red dock
Alright makes sense
ty, ill just start doing my own key and see how it goes
I typically DPS so this kind of thing isnt a problem, tank is more highlighted
fair silo
Just be chill about it, 12 got nerfed twice (first on the 12 affix and recently the 7 affix)
Just go there and see by yourself what is really dangerous and what isn't
red dock
Gotcha
urban portal
Some top players can do very high keys on classes they aren’t familiar as just cuz their fundamentals are good
buoyant lintel
OK I want to be a tank and healer mains I have resto shaman I'm lvling I just do...
if you boost you should go into Follower dungeons and just practice
how much you can pull without dying
how much you can pull without your party dying
keeping aggro on everything
and keeping shield block up
and using all of your CDs, both offensive and defensive CDs
languid mason
Can anyone tell me if those talent make sense for non heavy magic dmg dungeons
Sry I’m new
summer finch
if you boost you should go into Follower dungeons and just practice
Oh yeah I forgot those thank you
pallid quiver
Can anyone tell me if those talent make sense for non heavy magic dmg dungeons
I'd just swap to tough as nails if you're going to not use spell block at all, honestly, since it's too much fuss for not enough gain on anything else; you'd need a second point from somewhere to get 2x Blood booster time, anyway.
Also, there's a conversation earlier about the double wall talent above that may also be of note to you in this situation
#protection message
If you're really aiming for acting like magic damage isn't a problem, you'd also swap the magic def talent at the top into best served cold
It's barely a gain at all unless you're colossus, but if we're assuming there's no magic problem whatsoever, it's better than a wasted talent point
small grotto
Hey guys, was thinking about crafting ring, what do u think about it?
i know that can drop but i did many necrotics+cot and still dont have any
old basin
guys am i wrong for thinking prot warrior is boring
small grotto
or its just waste of crest
languid mason
If you're really aiming for acting like magic damage isn't a problem, you'd also...
Okay so swap to best served cold
pallid quiver
guys am i wrong for thinking prot warrior is boring
If you find it so, then it is. Different people find different things interesting, even at different points
old basin
languid mason
I’m doing 11s now
and that’s for magic heavy
Like necrotic wake etc
Let me know if I’m on the right track please 🙏🏽.
torn knoll
Question should I be using sac and authority it's simming like 20k lower but I'm seeing a bunch of prot warrior rocking both
pallid quiver
Main reason you see most Prot Wars on board rocking Swarlord's is a mix of the following:
- Looks good on details
- Decent enough defensively for most tanks
- Other tanks were already using it
- Word of Mouth says it's a good defensive trinket
It's definitely not for the damage
torn knoll
So it's the "def" trinket
pallid quiver
And they really cannot be assed to mini-tweak all of their gear when they could instead be timing keys and practicing timing keys
tender condor
how much haste are you aiming for before you pick into the fray
pallid quiver
Somewhere in the ballpark of 30-40% before any buffs; it varies per dungeon, since your limiting factor is 100% effective uptime on SB
So if things are just sitting there casting on you all day, you can get away with less haste (Dawnbreaker comes to mind)
tender condor
thanks
next pebble
does it make sense to prioritize revenge over shield slam in any case during aoe?
grave flower
hardy snow
you can craft something to pump up ilvl if you were unlucky in some spot
oak ivy
i love being a warrior
my damage taken on ansurek
my cotank's damage taken on ansurek
(Heroic prog w/ a casual friends guild)
which of these tanks do you think got hit with both liquefy and feast
pastel geyser
Well warriors job is to take as little dmg as possible through drs and ip
Most other tanks self heal a lot (bdk lol)
To keep themselves alive
We just block dmg and hope its enough
Atleast its the picture i got
pallid quiver
We self-heal less in terms of raw numbers, but we also take a lot less damage than pretty much every other tank
A BDK will get slapped for like 500k for example, but we get hit for 50k or something, as an example
So if they need to do 100k HPS to stay stable, we'd need
10k HPS to stay stable
That's not how the actual numbers work, but it gives you a loose understanding of the idea
It can actually be pretty hard to notice that other tanks are taking more damage, particularly BDK, because it may not clearly show on their HP bar since BDK gets things like Blood Shield absorbs that eat some of the damage, but Prot War takes the least damage upfront by a lot
Which makes the healing given by indom and the baseline 10% leech a lot more useful in context. It looks like less, but you need less comparatively to be the same level of stable as other tanks
tight prawn
How do you guys deal with having so many buttons? Gotta twist my hands into knots to manage my shit.
To be fair, I only use 1234, QERT, ZXFG
pallid quiver
does it make sense to prioritize revenge over shield slam in any case during aoe...
Also, pretty much never. The only time you could potentially consider it is as Colossus, near the very end of a pull, when it'd die in like 1 global, there's multiple mobs, and you don't have outburst. It might technically be more damage overall by that point.
Keeping the rage cycle going just does so much for your overall damage by making it so you have avatar up for more abilities and tankiness is maintained at all times that any times that scenario could pop up in a rotational standpoint, it'd be so fringe to min-max.
That being said, for aggro gaining purposes, that could potentially be different
pallid quiver
How do you guys deal with having so many buttons? Gotta twist my hands into knot...
Some players move a step over and use edsf to get easier access to more keys, some have MMO mice, some use good chunks of modifiers between ctrl, shift, and alt, or even combinations modifiers like ctrl+alt
next pebble
thanks @pallid quiver !
pallid quiver
I just use my thumb to hit alt, crossing under my hand. For some people, they say that's weird, but it's just pretty much bending your thumb
tight prawn
Hitting like, Alt+F is kind of awkward.
pallid quiver
You can also try sneaking in C as a button, since that's still quite close to D, so no real risk of getting lost
tight prawn
Yeah, maybe so.
I've got everything I think, except spell block.
and berserker rage
Fitting comfortably.
pallid quiver
When I used to play keyboard, I actually didn't really use 2 much, to be honest; it's why Charge has always been on 2 for me, since it's awkward. I always felt more comfortable going down to things like B even over 2
Berserker Rage you can easily slap onto something like V; it may not be a comfy button to press,
tight prawn
pallid quiver
But you also only need to press it if someone fucks up
also i'd recommend swapping heroic throw and IP
by like a lot
you slap IP a lot with the rage gen we have
tight prawn
buoyant lintel
but on R??
tight prawn
G is pretty easy for me to hit, actually.
pallid quiver
it should be bound to every key on the keyboard
pallid quiver
but on R??
R was where I had shield block back in MoP days iirc
I think Execute was F
tight prawn
T is interrupt on every class.
buoyant lintel
IP isnt really a defensive but a button youre constantly pressing to not cap on rage
pallid quiver
T is interrupt on every class.
Same when I was keyboard
IP is a rotational button more than a defensive. You'd want Shield Block on G if that's you're reasoning
And IP would be on 2 instead
tight prawn
Yeah, SB is on Shift+3
pallid quiver
oh those are shift binds there
pallid quiver
I'd recommend swapping ITF closer, though, since you're pressing it like 12-15 times per minute, though
er, IP
I've typed ITF too many times
I hit a capital I, it's gotta be ITF
tight prawn
Yeah, that's fair.
I can consider that. I'm pretty used to it living there.
It is a little far.
Might move it to 4
move ravager somewhere else
buoyant lintel
u probably want spear and ravager next to eachother since you will end up using them together frequently
actually i suppose having them on opposite fingers works too
tight prawn
Put ravager on SHIFT+E, Spear on SHIFT+Q
Moved shield block to G, ignore pain to R
Execute to shift+2
sharp gale
Alt roll up and roll down is good use of mouse wheel if you don’t want to remove zoom in and zoom out
cunning oriole
So this is def a noob prot war question...but I can't understand why my SimC on RaidBots says my DPS should be 575k, but on the tank dummy in Dorn for 5 min, my dps is only 325k?
buoyant lintel
it sounds like you are making mistakes in your rotation when maximizing for dmg
pallid quiver
Sims by default will use all raid buffs and consumables to start with
buoyant lintel
ah yeah make sure youre on the training dummy sim too
pallid quiver
But there's also probably mistakes going on, and you might not be in execute phase for as long as the dummy is on sim
sharp gale
So this is def a noob prot war question...but I can't understand why my SimC on ...
You will never do your sim dps and need to remove buffs, but try to do 5% less in 5 min if you want to
cunning oriole
You will never do your sim dps and need to remove buffs, but try to do 5% less i...
5% less than the sim?
sharp gale
5% less than the sim?
Than the sim where you removed buffs option
tight prawn
Also a baby warrior here, played a good bit back in DF S1. Just hit 80 like, two days ago in TWW. Got a mage as my 'main' so far this season, but the warrior is not far behind. Up to 608 iLVL.
Got tired of having to wait a million years to find a M+ group.
sharp gale
And put embellish at 100% uptime ofc since sim is 60%, training dummies will not hit you back unless you go on the other ones
cunning oriole
And put embellish at 100% uptime ofc since sim is 60%, training dummies will not...
Haha, idk, Crystalmaw is wooping me pretty good...I have to back off after 6 min or die
pallid quiver
You either hit the tanking dummy or lose out on the passive rage from being hit
sharp gale
Haha, idk, Crystalmaw is wooping me pretty good...I have to back off after 6 min...
Like you want it’s just to remind you raidbot is 60% uptime by default
pallid quiver
A tragedy of fate
tight prawn
Probably not important to have a threat meter, right?
pallid quiver
You can just have plater profiles change nameplates on threat
sharp gale
You either hit the tanking dummy or lose out on the passive rage from being hit
Yes I don’t’ really train on dummies that much so I don’t know what people do usually
pallid quiver
I generally always go to the tanking dummy for ST since it doesn't really hit that hard if you're used to mitigating it
it's pretty soothing for me personally
sharp gale
But I know you want to compare yourself to sim, you need to set sim to your actual conditions
And remember we are not robots
cunning oriole
as far as my rotation goes, my opening is Charge>Shield Charge>Demo Shout>Thunder Blast>Rav+Spear. Then I'm spamming SS/TC every GCD and hitting IP/SB simultaneously when my WA shows I need it
sharp gale
I usually open with charge -> shield slam+sb -> thunderclap, since you need to not die on pull and take aggro
And then do opener
tight prawn
The recommended opener on wowhead is insane.
Press 5 buttons during the duration of the charge.
So like, half a second.
pallid quiver
we're a very fast paced spec
The two most important to press after charge are Avatar+SB
tight prawn
Well, it says avatar, taunt, SB, during the charge before you're in melee.
pallid quiver
You can skip taunt if it's not a boss or you're not starting
cunning oriole
The two most important to press after charge are Avatar+SB
I've got Avatar macro'd to pop every time it's off CD. Constant uptime.
cunning oriole
The recommended opener on wowhead is insane.
Yeah, I have to practice sending a Heroic Throw when I charge
sharp gale
And the recommended opener is ravager first, ofc don’t send ravager if you will move the pack the next second
sharp gale
Like 90% of packs
languid sorrel
Hey guys noob question, is the guide.still 10 ilevels below gear drop for that key or has it changed in TWW?
digital sandal
Just a quick question. I got a 626 insignia with leech, is it worth investing in that or a 636 crafted neck
waxen orbit
Yeah, I have to practice sending a Heroic Throw when I charge
Legit what
wild anvil
That's a rough skill to master.
slender arrow
Is Captured Starlight of any value?
dusty plinth
in keys do you just drop enduring alacrity to pickup aoe kick in pugs? or is there something better to drop
cunning oriole
Legit what
Couple of tanking vids I watched said get a HT off when you charge (assuming first HT then Charge) for solid threat gen
lavish rivet
You can macro them together
cunning oriole
You can macro them together
lol that macro already looks like Ralphie's Christmas Tree plug
tight prawn
I guess we could charge macro to do ALL THE THINGS.
waxen orbit
Couple of tanking vids I watched said get a HT off when you charge (assuming fir...
That's overkill
I mean if you don't do much damage then sure I guess
tight prawn
Is there a downside to adding HT to your charge macro?
Like, you aren't using the GCD during charge, casting Avatar and Shield Block.
I guess it's not great during short range charges.
Max range the GCD is up before you land.
deft mortar
ahh
crafted my own 636 shield
i also mined it out
had to buy the tinderboxes and nullstones tho
self sufficiency aint extended to that
violet ginkgo
extend it agmius
sick sentinel
hello! as a new prot war tank, i know that rend is typically not on the bars, but i also heard that WW and slam arnt really needed on the bar too?
im guessing slam is baked into a macro with ignore pain, but i guess ww is just left out completely?
pallid quiver
When you hear slam, they mean Slam, not Shield Slam
And you need Shield Slam and IP both bound; the IP + Shield Slam macro only replaces the IP bind, so it doesn't save you space
WW and Slam both serve no purpose for Prot, and can safely be dropped entirely. They're vestiges of the levelling process
sick sentinel
ah ok i got it
fluid fjord
Why does the wowhead rotation recommend Revenge above Execute?
Am I reading it wrong/misunderstanding or is it essentially recommending to take Execute off my bars completely since I will always be able to use Revenge in a situation where I could cast Execute and they both reset Shield Slam?
pallid quiver
It's to keep the list a little more simple; Execute does the same stuff as Revenge, just only usable on low health targets
Also, Revenge is cheaper than Execute
So note that is says specifically "to apply Deep Wounds in AoE or to fish for Shield Slam resets"
A good way to think about it is if you have 40 rage; you can cast 2 Revenges for two chances to reset Shield Slam if you need to, but only one Execute
If you're in Avatar, however, you can press TC every other GCD if playing Unstoppable Force, so you don't need to fish for SS resets so to speak
As you can just send an Execute, then Clap to gain rage back
The most important thing is to never have an empty global, overall, but you can leverage your rage bar when an enemy gets low health to get some extra damage out of your rotation
You also don't need to fish for resets if your next buttons are going to be things like Demo Shout/Spear/Shield Charge/Ravager that takes higher priority than Shield Slam
buoyant lintel
Spending 40 rage in 1 gcd is pretty nice
placid oar
Good day warrior tanks, I main a dps and currently tanking for M+. Trying to push higher with only a heroic shield but also a desire to try and get a Mythic ilvl weapon for Fury since i play Arms mainly. Hoping to get advice/opinions if i should roll prot for a shield or continue to roll Arms for a better weapon or ring/trinkets. Appreciate any feedback/sharing
thank you
strange comet
Good day warrior tanks, I main a dps and currently tanking for M+. Trying to pus...
You could prob craft a shield and vault for fury, less sparks to make a shield
I know iLVL is generally just better but is this an exception ?
urban portal
20 ilevel is a big gap
tribal wharf
i just saw a mobile ad abouf a giant spider monkey fights a giant crab monkey
fast oracle
Are we taking Into the Fray in raid, assuming we have the haste to support it?
compact silo
before violent outburst was to be consumed only on SS. is that still the case or is it ok to use it on TC too?
sweet egret
Are we taking Into the Fray in raid, assuming we have the haste to support it?
you generally have downtime in raid so you don't need 100% block uptime
strange comet
20 ilevel is a big gap
yeah its stretching it lmao my thinking is the big stat on the keychain is mastery and the other is haste, so im losing stam and gaining 2k haste
stoic ruin
So getting into keys where tank busters can kill you. What is a CD rotation that would let you cover every beam on the first boss of DB for instanc
hollow sphinx
So i was 4 weeks off, honeymoon in indonesia - did sth change? 😄
sweet egret
So getting into keys where tank busters can kill you. What is a CD rotation that...
spell reflect
dull tulip
So getting into keys where tank busters can kill you. What is a CD rotation that...
It shouldn’t kill you through max ignore pain
And you can cycle your defensives in a way that your shield wall comes back if you’re not playing double shield wall
Just prioritise shield slam over anything else except thunder blast
And if you’re playing colossus your ignore pain tanks 70% of the damage you’re taking instead of 50%
molten gorge
So getting into keys where tank busters can kill you. What is a CD rotation that...
You can even just use spell reflect and survive usually
Cause of the DR it gives
placid oar
Hi Warriors, it is my first time tanking Queen for heroic. Somehow Feast and Liquify are trucking me to the heaves. Would appreciate any feedback/guidance to improve or point out where i go wrong. Thank you. (Pardon if this is the wrong channel, but wanna learn.) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V7n9BbDQLq3WYfrM
marble night
in the trash before DB first boss, is there a boat that you think is harder than the other side? if there is i may make my decision which way to go based on what my defensives look like after pull 2
small grotto
hey guys, should i craft ring right now?
my ring is shit and dont have luck to drop necro or cot
can anybody help ?:D
sinful spire
Is this thing any use ever?
proc rate seems dire
and assume 50k dr is useless vs busters etc
jagged pier
terrible trinket
jagged pier
do what u want its your char
personally i dont recommend crating anything after emblishments
as its a waste of crests
but if u dont get myth gear easily
then vraft what ever you like
small grotto
Is there a cap with embalishments?
inner oracle
2
small grotto
oh thanks
didnt knew
i think im still go with ring, it will make me stronger a lot i guess
inner oracle
in the trash before DB first boss, is there a boat that you think is harder than...
The one with the commander that got a tank hit + bleed
small grotto
have only one crafted item so still have much crest
and would like to craft shield/weapon/ring
sinful spire
So is colossus IP stronger than MT? trade off is less rage gen?
sharp gale
So is colossus IP stronger than MT? trade off is less rage gen?
20% bigger IP but you rage starve if you need to press a lot of IP
Each time IP pops off you feel bad
small grotto
guys is that skill blocks every spell for 30 secs?
or only one
when do u use that, on big packs?
sharp gale
guys is that skill blocks every spell for 30 secs?
Every spells for 30 seconds,
broken shoal
let's say on siege, when should i use this?
any time there's heavy magic damage going out.
small grotto
allright, so when im going for big pull it's shield block>shield wall> spell block?
sharp gale
allright, so when im going for big pull it's shield block>shield wall> spell blo...
It depends
broken shoal
a lot of the time you won't need to stack shield wall and spell block
small grotto
i did siege 11 before and insta died on first pack no idea why, had shield block on me
broken shoal
first pack in siege doesn't do much magic
probably standing in the frontal and stuff
small grotto
i have no idea what killed me, i go in and insta died, without frontal or smth
just put charge and dies
sharp gale
Maybe siege is a bad example because it’s a heavy phys dungeon
small grotto
i need to learn more about spell reflection because im not using it well i guess
sharp gale
i have no idea what killed me, i go in and insta died, without frontal or smth
You die because of that
sharp gale
i need to learn more about spell reflection because im not using it well i guess
Spell block doesn’t reflect or deflect spells
You just apply block’s damage reduction to spells (it’s huge)
marble cipher
i have no idea what killed me, i go in and insta died, without frontal or smth
Always check either logs if you're logging, or details after a key and check your deaths. You can learn a lot from it
(logs > details obviously, but details can at least still show you what killed you)
sharp gale
Details is fine to know why you died
marble cipher
Also, what can happen a lot 'on pull' is that you charge a mob far into the pack, and get sync hit in the back by all mobs you charged passed.
And then shield block doesn't matter as they hit you in the back
sharp gale
But chips is right logs will always be better to learn wtf is going on
green oasis
Singing Steel is only managable with def cds right?
marble cipher
Simplified: details shows you what killed you. Which is already great to know.
With logs you can learn more about 'why' that killed you (what mitigation were you missing for instance, or what cd did you have up that you could use there etc. )
sharp gale
It’s true that he can charge first pack of siege and take every tooth break in the back since it’s the first spell they do
sharp gale
Yeah, I speak from experience there hahaha
I remember too, charging the enforcer and instantly die
sharp gale
Singing Steel is only managable with def cds right?
It’s a bleed, it’s the only thing that hurts on packs where they are
And they insta cast it so you just cd on pull and watch out their cd
lilac sedge
I don't know your story, but i like what i see.
sharp gale
I don't know your story, but i like what i see.
Talking about insta dying on siege trashs
lilac sedge
oh thats easy, just be overgeared
and use defensives trinkets
then u can solo all mythic content tbh
im gonna be timing a +19 soon, in the upcoming day or two
then a +20 on my vdh
karmic plinth
is sureki zealot neck on hero track worth more than crafting a 636 neck
or is it just a sim angle
small grotto
guys do u have any advice for grim batol?
And about rage btw, sometimes i feel good with it but sometimes im feeling like i always have 0 rage
it is because of my gear mby?
sweet summit
is sureki zealot neck on hero track worth more than crafting a 636 neck
at that point i'd just save the gilded crests for upgrades no?
sweet summit
it is because of my gear mby?
it's because you press ignore pain too often/early most likely
and idk what advice you're after for GB
gotta ask a bit more specific
terse hollow
how is mad queens for prot in m+? i took it this week over a socket but unsure if its worth running
livid dawn
I am now in deep depression. I've been stuck at ~2700 for two weeks now as a presevoker. Not being able to be invited to a single +12 key. doing 2-3 hours of homework keys just to try to run my own +12 key only to brick on the first pull or first boss. Tried to level and gear my prot warrior... and got there just in time for prot war to stop being meta...
Only to find out today that my blue parsing rogue guildie that I taught how to use personal defensives last week just timed his first 12 last night
When I can't even get a single invite
sweet egret
i have no idea what killed me, i go in and insta died, without frontal or smth
turned your back?
inner wren
I am now in deep depression. I've been stuck at ~2700 for two weeks now as a pre...
just go aug
livid dawn
And deal with dps queues? But yeah... playing Aug is probably the only out for my evoker.
vocal yacht
is there any dungeons where you would not take spell block? started doing 13-14 with my group and dps is already very tight, been thinking how to squeeze some more damage of my prot war, though maybe i could drop spell block/6% spell dr in some dungeons and pick like bloodborne or revenge dmg, is this a garbage idea or no?
violet ginkgo
You die because of that
how to avoid this
sharp gale
how to avoid this
you dont, press a cd
i guess you can dwarf the dot too i'm not dwarf so...
someone else could tell you
rich pulsar
did you get a chance to do this? Would love to see it as well
vernal aspen
an evoker could remove the bleed if you have one in your party
regal yarrow
Big CC group, communicate to priority target them, ranged stand very ranged and apply slows to them
toxic gyro
is there any dungeons where you would not take spell block? started doing 13-14 ...
Tiny dps gains, especially on a tank won’t make much of a difference.
The biggest time saver is to merge some pulls together when everyone has their cooldowns.
small grotto
it's because you press ignore pain too often/early most likely
Im trying to not overcapping my ignore pain
And still have some moment when i have nothing to do
just waiting for cd's to gain some rage
regal yarrow
That's not actually what you want to do. Typically you're hitting IP between every single global no matter what
small grotto
i guess im playing wrong
regal yarrow
Your haste is probably just low so you're having rage generation problems
rain bone
:3
sweet summit
did you get a chance to do this? Would love to see it as well
i forgot
lilac sedge
guys im a fallen soldier now
rain bone
This fight was just pure RNG ;o
Tweaking my talents all the time was the most fun tbh XD
Learnt a lot of new things because of it ;p
lilac sedge
i think the achievement is the reward
rain bone
What's the reward for doing it?
This appearance for the Delver's Dirigble
lilac sedge
oh
rain bone
And then the achievement and a title (which you get no matter if you are solo or not).
molten gorge
rain bone
Quite an easy fight in terms of the mechanics. The hard part is figuring out a way to kill the ads fast enough and survive the dot ;p
lilac sedge
i love smokey
rain bone
The latest change I did in my Zekvir ?? talent tree was Sudden Death instead of Impenetrable Wall and Into the Fray instead of Heavy Repercussions.
Sudden Death made ads a lot easier to deal with, without random Executes on the ads, I usually didn't have enough damage to kill the cacoon before they popped. Even with Avatar, Shield Block buff, Demoralizing Shout buff, Light's Judgement, Thunderous Roar, Ravager, full rage and Revenge spam whenever TC or SS wasn't up ;p