protection

[sharp gale]

Mail is already a hard choice for transmog because 50% is designed Hunter and 50% designed shaman

[faint maple]

If you use without helmet on warrior it possible to find decent transmog. But helms ruin it

[toxic pewter]

Yah I cannot deny mail is worst type for mogs

[faint maple]

But now you have evokers

[sharp gale]

Yep I will not comment on dracthyr transmog, they have to choose between Hunter looking armor or shaman ones

[faint maple]

Didn’t see any hunter set that I liked

[grave flower]

What do you mean, if you’re not an evoker you can just sit in the better form and look dope in your normally fitted armor.

[faint maple]

Shamans have decent ones

[toxic pewter]

the redone hunter t2 is actually pretty cool if i say so

[sharp gale]

I use a mix but even that I don’t find it satisfying

[sharp gale]

Dude…

[faint maple]

I had one that I make for my hunter in dreanor, this is mix of shamans armors

[toxic pewter]

lol

on a human that looks bad

[grave flower]

Shoulders are dope, but yeah; looks bad on human for sure.

[toxic pewter]

I think on a nelf or somethin

look better

[livid dawn]

Thank you, this is the response that I needed.

[faint maple]

That looks good only on dractyr

[livid dawn]

Thank you for the input. I suppose I leveled/geared my warrior just in time for it to stop being meta 🥲

[grave flower]

I think their visage form has the best armor ratio to body out there given their size and stance.

[sharp gale]

You need to have classes pre prepared if you want to follow meta, they prepared their paladin since launch

[livid dawn]

I've played a blood elf warrior and a female orc warrior for 15 years now. Drakthyr just made me reroll immediately. They just look so good in armor and their animations are beautiful

[faint maple]

Don’t worry pals soon got nerfs👍

[grave flower]

Agreed, I went drac for the drip.

[livid dawn]

Problem is, I've been playing healer since launch. I've had my evoker and shaman geared up and then Disc priest came out of nowhere

[grave flower]

Prot warrior is still great, don’t go pink.

[sharp gale]

You need to have characters ready to go in +10 right away if you want really to follow meta

[livid dawn]

Based on the previous seasons I pushed in, I always played off meta classes and I never faced as much meta-discrimination as I do this expansion. I never thought it would be this bad of a problem.

[sharp gale]

You have 60 dungeons of crest cap to farm now

[livid dawn]

I went from being able to get invited to any key I wanted to being invited to zero 12's for a solid week

[deft mortar]

If they made the 0.1% achi class & role specific it's be chill

[livid dawn]

I tried pushing my own key but doing 1-3 hours worth of keys just to have one attempt at a 12 just doesn't fit into my lifestyle + work schedule

[grave flower]

People really aren’t invited warriors to 12s? I get invited immediately to 12s as a BDK and I know warriors are better which is why I made the swap

[deft mortar]

It wouldn't make it easier for us, maybe even harder

[sweet summit]

what the fuck

[livid dawn]

Perhaps it's a bit better as a tank. But as a healer, I get straight discriminated

Because tanks are far scarcer than healers

[grave flower]

Oh. That makes more sense

[sharp gale]

Meta discrimination comes that early because of key lvl squish tbh and +12 affix trauma before the nerf

[grave flower]

I thought we were talking about tanks

[deft mortar]

Must be CR. But BDKs get one shot in higher keys to shit we can largely ignroe kekw

[livid dawn]

Well, that's why I figured I switch from healing to tanking. Because I figured it'd be easier to get invited

[grave flower]

CR?

[deft mortar]

Combat ress

Or maybe grip

[grave flower]

Ah maybe, I don’t think I even counted on that

[sweet summit]

or maybe just a tank

🤔

[deft mortar]

Nah prot warr is superior in every way

[grave flower]

Yeah prot is. I’m 603 ilvl on my warrior rn just starting keys and I feel safer already vs my 629 BDK

Hitting way less buttons and preparing for pulls far less

(I only pug so I have to do more prep pre pull in my experience)

[sweet summit]

how do you not turn into the jorker from batman by only pugging

[livid dawn]

Yeah... I really didn't expect this kind of fallout from the key squish and the +12 trauma

[grave flower]

listen to music and have low expectations

[sharp gale]

A + 12 before is a 14 now

[kindred wharf]

Anyone having any issues with all the fuss around the other prot being on the up and up

[livid dawn]

Last time I played was DF S1 and S2

[sharp gale]

I mean a +12 first weeks of TWW is a +14 today

Before they nerfed guile from 20% to 10%

[grave flower]

I do like 12s jump up in difficulty. I don’t think this season has as many issues as Reddit thinks…im a fan of s1 TWW

[sharp gale]

You did 12s before the nerf ?

[sweet summit]

maybe not now but at the start it was horrible 👍

[sharp gale]

At the start it was horrible

[grave flower]

I attempted them before the nerf, and not having as many issues doesn’t mean I have 0 issues lol

[sharp gale]

With 615 ilvl on everyone

[sweet summit]

and now that the dungeons are tuned somewhat well you still just rng fall through floors 👍

[sharp gale]

Now I don’t know if 12s are in a good state I overgear them by being 630 I think

[dawn turtle]

Do we enchant our shield and sword? And if so do we do one of each of the recommend ones being authority of the depths vs of radiant power

[sweet summit]

sword yes shield how

i use radiant power (i just play m+)

[dawn turtle]

never treid my friend play rogue and echanted both his weapons

[sweet summit]

a shield is not a weapon unfortunately

[bitter zealot]

They should let you put something on shields tho would be nice

[dawn turtle]

ah okay I think Raidant power looks better for M+ as I also mainly play this

[bitter zealot]

Maybe a leech

[sharp gale]

Shield slam, blizzard… pls

Give us one more enchant

[dawn turtle]

would u say this one is better for m+ then yeah?

[sweet summit]

would be kinda unfair if you could get leech enchant on shield i think

[bitter zealot]

Nah warriors deserve everything in the world!

[sharp gale]

Dh and monks have double radiant or the other, I want it too

[sweet summit]

ok real

give me ten bajillion leech

[marble cipher]

The more enchants my dps have, the faster packs die, so I don't mind 😄
(well, if they're not braindead anyway)

[sweet summit]

yeah probaly idk
you can sim it

[sharp gale]

Give us a enchant only on shield that give 10% leech, both prot rules now

[bitter zealot]

A warrior only enchant when you SS you leech 120% of dmg done

[vague badge]

so, how is your day going?

[sharp gale]

How

[sweet summit]

slightly better than yours i think

[marble cipher]

50 deaths in a +5???

[grave flower]

Uh

[sweet summit]

i wish you all the best going forward soldier 🫡

[bitter zealot]

5s are actually hard to the casual players

Really casual

[marble cipher]

I guess

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s the start of the fortified / tyrannical hit, 4 are still not punishing tyr and fort

First day of m+ I was not taking anyone who did not do a +5 which is not mist or ara

And I mean 1h30 after the reset

[vague badge]

I was trying to be patient, but I should have left after the first boss
People didn’t handle the xala debuff, nuked us at 2nd boss with the orb etc

[bitter zealot]

Teach em i assume it's a low key to you

[regal yarrow]

His overall was 500k, probably not that low to him

[deft hinge]

is there a way to macro 2 instants on same button but still have to click 2 times to activate the second?

[sweet summit]

depends on what spells you want in that macro

[vague badge]

The shaman took 6 tries to understand the orb mechanic
I told them all to stack on me, so I can just jump the smash out

[sharp gale]

Can macro a gcd with off gcd, 2 off gcd but not 2 gcd

[regal yarrow]

The orb never goes on the tank. You should have had them stand opposite to you, near the boss. Whoever has the orb doesn't move, everybody else moves

[vague badge]

If I wouldn’t be standing there with a marker and a world marker, the shaman wouldn’t get it

[regal yarrow]

So let him die and do it with 4.

[vague badge]

Well he would take the orb to nearest object and nuke everyone except me

[sharp gale]

You wipe if orb go to wall

[regal yarrow]

Okay, but if everybody is standing where they're supposed to aim the orb by default, that can't really happen

[deft hinge]

LS on first and SW on second. will have it on its own key ofc

[vague badge]

Since he was full panic mode I guess

[bitter zealot]

Where did u tank the boss?

[vague badge]

That’s the problem
“Where they are supposed to”

[regal yarrow]

Then the only one that dies is someone that personally doesn't get it. If you have someone moving the orb, then they could potentially wipe the group.

[bitter zealot]

If he's that bad more open area the better

[vague badge]

around there

[tough smelt]

Hello! For m+ should i focusing on haste/crit or haste/vers?
Im about to start pushing some +10s tonight
Peace! ❤️

[marble cipher]

both work

haste+vers slightly more defensive
haste+crit slightly more offensive
sim if you care about offense, pick either if you don't care about simming

[sharp gale]

Focus haste and you will choose what to focus when you have 2 myth track in your vault one is haste vers the other haste crit

Grab what you can for now which has haste since it’s just hero

[tough smelt]

From what i understand haste/crit is better against melee and the haste/vers is better against casters, but the different is very small between the two

[marble cipher]

crit gives parry, vers gives damage reduction, so you're right
But, as you say, it's minor

[sharp gale]

Like chip said crit gives well crit chance and parry, vers gives flat dmg up and dmg reduction

[tough smelt]

well crit does sounds more fun 😉

[marble cipher]

I personally went allout haste-crit, but, I might swap it all to haste vers at some point ..... just cause of the extra gear you get and the valor stones being capped 🤷‍♂️

[tough smelt]

sweet! do we go with [Into the Fray] instad of [Heavy Repercussions] at a fixed haste % cap? 🙂

[sharp gale]

Over 35% unbuffed

[tough smelt]

Okey thanks! i still have some way to go then

[sharp gale]

I think it’s 19-20 k haste I should log in to tell you but can’t sry

[tough smelt]

yeah that sounds about right, im at 16k haste now and im at 30%

[round pendant]

bruh

[tropic tangle]

impressive for a 5

[vague badge]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-bow-thank-you-gif-7544903

[tropic tangle]

almost have to go out of your way to just stand in swirlies, never interrupt and never press a defensive ever

[round pendant]

+8s I'm snoozing

+3'd a +8 as fury last night

people be slacking

prot pals pump tho

[tropic tangle]

yeah idk, been running up my dk alt key as frost and it's been p smooth

2'd a 9 siege into 11 mists last night

[round pendant]

They should buff prot war and nerf prot pal damage

[sharp gale]

Keys are more smooth overall now that everyone has ilvl and more REALLY basic knowledge of dungeons

[marble cipher]

prot pala dmg is a bit sily sometimes, but then I laugh when I see them flop over because they didn't time all their defensives in the correct order 😄

[round pendant]

Tell that to the 629 2600 rio mage I played with who died on literally every single trash pack in dawnbreaker +11

[frosty holly]

Getting this from the spell refl WA. But if i edit it like Github says. It stops working. Ok to just leave it as is?

[sharp gale]

You depleted ?

[round pendant]

yeah he died 11 times

and I just gave up

[sharp gale]

16 deaths 2 full wipe I timed a 12

[round pendant]

he did like 700k dps too

[frosty holly]

Hard to dps if dead

😄

[sharp gale]

Oh gosh

I mean I can fill 1 low dps since I do 1m almost all the time as tank

But 700k, bosses he pumped at least where you can’t as tank ?

[round pendant]

on bosses he was dead

I don't know how that man got to 2600

[sharp gale]

Lol gotta see those 3min+ bosses and 6 min last boss

[alpine adder]

1m single target tank dps? what am I doing wrong 🤔

[sharp gale]

Overall dps of a key

[round pendant]

I've only had 1m overall once

And it's cause every other dps was doing 1.5m

so the key was fast

Not my usual experience in pugs tho

[sharp gale]

Im at 650k I think on pure st bosses

No pause in fight

[alpine adder]

TR Colossus or MT?

[sharp gale]

MT, colossus ST sucks

[vernal aspen]

I've been struggling in 12s as Colossus, but the damage is so good that it's hard to go back to Thane :/

[sharp gale]

But I colossus 10s filling vault it’s fun tbh

[sharp gale]

I mean how higher is the dps ?

[vernal aspen]

for me it's around 150k higher in overall

I just started logging my keys so I don't have that much data to back it up though

[sharp gale]

I did 1.3m mist10 as colossus and around 1.2 as thane

[vernal aspen]

(and I'm not a good player)

[sharp gale]

I would not switch for 100 k dps but rage starve

[vernal aspen]

I'm probably not using revenge as much as I should as Thane

[sharp gale]

I don’t press that often, it’s just chasing thunder blast procs (usual thing you should do as min max thane) and cds usage

Like in mist you can avatar demo shout the first boss on pull , you will have it back on burst phase

You can avatar demo shout spear ravager the 2 guys before

[vernal aspen]

this was my best performance so far as colossus (the only 12 I have timed so far)

I'm gonna try to get some runs as Thane to compare with actual logs

[sharp gale]

Yes you did 1 m+ on details I guess

[vernal aspen]

yeah

[vernal aspen]

yep I'm blowing my cds on cooldown, I don't hold them

[sharp gale]

It’s good dmg tbh, it’s just to you give up too much something else for that ?

[vernal aspen]

I feel like I'm made of paper playing Colossus compared to Thane so I guess I'll just have to get better at playing Thane for now

[sharp gale]

Both colossus and MT are good just the moment you need to press IP a lot as colossus you fall off

[vernal aspen]

exactly that's been my issue so far playing Colossus

[sharp gale]

Yes basically you feel bad if IP pops off by dmg and you need to reapply for brutal vitality

[alpine adder]

you run ravager?

[vernal aspen]

negative, I'm using the cheat death because I'm bad

I don't feel confident enough to change that talent

[sharp gale]

But the issue will be more recurrent the higher you go, simple melees packs will pop IP, that’s just what I want to tell you

[kindred wharf]

Preach

[vernal aspen]

got it, that's such a bummer though because I love how it feels

it's not as spammy

[tropic star]

until you start spamming revenge to try and beat some dps

[kindred wharf]

I feel like the aoe threat generation from MT is hard to give up. Maybe I’m just bad

[vernal aspen]

I agree, that's also another thing I've noticed

[kindred wharf]

I feel like when I run colossus I’m a lot more stressed gathering packs

[vernal aspen]

as Colossus I'm popping the taunt shout all the fucking time

[sharp gale]

Use BSV, you start to do 12s+ it’s time to focus on not depleting in an environment 1 mistake kills you 100% and it’s depleted

[kindred wharf]

BSV?

[kindred wharf]

Got it

[dawn turtle]

Once you +10 a dungeon in time and get the achievement how do you teleport there?

[alpine adder]

general tab

[short dawn]

You have a new spell in your spellbook

[marble cipher]

"hero's path: <expansion>"

[dawn turtle]

Awsome ty

[marble cipher]

opens up, shows you the portals you have

[dawn turtle]

8h cooldown dang

still nice though

[alpine adder]

resets once you complete the key

[olive hamlet]

Hey guys, I tried to find an answer online for my question but couldnt find any.
I would like to craft a weapon - which should i craft - the 1h sword or the 1h mace? any significant difference here?

[dawn turtle]

oh cool haha

[smoky anvil]

There’s a WA “Dungeon Portal Buttons” or something that will make a button on your mythic dungeon tab for the season for ease of access. I’d recommend.

[vernal aspen]

it doesn't matter, they have the same stats afaik

[olive hamlet]

Yeah - stats i can streamline, but my question is with respeect to the different max and min dmg

[smoky anvil]

It doesn’t matter.

It’s all off weapon dps not low or high end

And they all have the same dps.

[cobalt wagon]

How often do you guys find yourself using spell block in m+? Other then the last pulls of stone vault, the mini boss in necrotic wake, and the upfront damage from anima slashes in mists I don’t really use it. What are some other pulls that come to mind where it’s worth using? I’ve been timing 12s not really clicking it at all lmao

[olive hamlet]

Thank you very much! That helped a lot ❤️

[smoky anvil]

It’s a great tank bust cd

[tribal wharf]

eh, pretty close

[smoky anvil]

I’m working rn but I’ll tap of someone doesn’t

Yap*

[tribal wharf]

if i was a caster, i would want that staff model, for sure

[cobalt wagon]

I’m definitely not using it for tank busters other than last boss of nw cause it doesn’t feel needed at the key level im doing I can easily live most with either shield wall, demo shout, or just max ip. That being said it would work on obsidian beam right? That’s one tank buster I struggle with and I haven’t been using it there. And it could probably get two beams no?

[vernal aspen]

the molten giants in grim batol are another place where you could use it if spell reflect is still on cd

it works for dawnbreaker 1st boss too, for obsidian beam

[cobalt wagon]

Just for the lava fist? It doesn’t work vs things like shadow flame slash right?

The bleed from gb

[vernal aspen]

not sure about shadow flame slash but you can check the spreadsheet in the pins

it has info about blocking spells

[cobalt wagon]

Oh that’s nice thanks

[wild anvil]

According to the Google doc it's reflectable but not blockable

[cobalt wagon]

I saw that spread sheet before but I misunderstood thinking spell reflect would sometimes absorb the hit but not reflect the damage lmao.

[molten ermine]

does the yoink from spear have diminishing returns?

[tribal wharf]

the new ring is basically the same from 10.1 right

[smoky anvil]

I use it on the tank buster on DB 1st and 2nd, 1st and 2nd, 4th if CoT, lots of use in NW with necrotic bolts on 2nd and 4th and trash, lots of use on CoT trash. Works on Anima Slash IIRC, not the dot but the application chonk.

[tribal wharf]

seems like it to me

[waxen frigate]

You mean like stun dr?

[tribal wharf]

i assume it counts as loss of control of character

[waxen frigate]

I doubt it

Presumably works like knockbacks do

[tribal wharf]

i would assume it works 3 times then stops working

on a single mob

[waxen frigate]

Oh like if you’re yanking them against the pull over and over?

[tribal wharf]

thats what i assume, but i am probably wrong

[waxen frigate]

Idk why you’d assume that tbh

[tribal wharf]

cuz thats how sap and blind and fear and all them work

[deft mortar]

GB 12 I gave simple fkn instructions, Let me finish grabbing the overseer pack into the drake and stack them all before you pop off with BL. Still nah.

And bros failed to LoS even

[tribal wharf]

CC effect happens, can be done twice more, then you cant for 60seconds

pretty simple concept

so i have to assume, that the pull back part of spear, is one of those

[deft mortar]

retri died twice to umbral wind and balance died once, and ench decided to pop the off while I was stil lbrining the mobs together and got one-shot to aggro rip from 1 mob that was chasing me

[tribal wharf]

it woulbe be nice if they made a distinction between normal fear and cower, but cowers only last half the duration of a normal fear because the mob cant run to aggro more shit

[vague badge]

Any special tech for the first two bosses of dawnbreaker? Mostly talking about CDs

[sweet summit]

not really

just press one then the other

[vague badge]

So no special cd should be used for a certain ability? Just have one up for the “tank buster”?

[mystic lantern]

Where can I find the list of reflect-able spells?

[vague badge]

Protection faq

[mystic lantern]

Ty

[deft mortar]

Yall think mass pulls are a requirement in 12s

Like I just wanna get 2 packs and chill most of the time

Not because I am dying but because others get overwhelmed with mechanics and die

I ain't dying kekw

[ornate thicket]

With good dps not required

[lilac sedge]

I love mommy dps

[lavish solstice]

Is thunder blast procs priority over shield slam even in single target situations?

[wicked pollen]

i think no

ss is too strong

[ornate thicket]

Shield slam is priority even in aoe to keep genning rage unless 2 procs thunderblast (don't overcap if able), and you want to spend violent outbursts on ss

[mortal pecan]

If champion is the best gear I can currently get, is it best to try and upgrade the pieces to 8/8? How do you guys approach upgrading the gear?

[lavish solstice]

so the prio should be

1. thunderblast on 2procs
2. shield slam
3. thunder blast

where in the list is the free revenge procs?

[plush tendon]

I upgrade champion gear and hero gear to 619

all gilded crests i save for crafted gear or mythic pieces

[mortal pecan]

Gilded is only required for mythic? Or hero as well?

[plush tendon]

Gilded is what takes a item past 619

so you can get a hero piece 4/8 to be 619

but to get it higher requires gilded

which I dont think is worth

[mortal pecan]

Ah ok. So it's only worth spending those on the mythic pieces.

Makes sense

Thank you

[plush tendon]

in my opinion yes

[mortal pecan]

What crafted items do you recommend?

[plush tendon]

granted, I dont know your situation or your access to myth pieces

[mortal pecan]

Shield or 1h?

[plush tendon]

Shield->1H

[mortal pecan]

I haven't done any +7 yet

[plush tendon]

also, remember there is a free heroic craft

https://www.method.gg/guides/free-heroic-runed-harbinger-crest-and-story-mode-guide

super quick, super ez

very worth

[mortal pecan]

Nice I'll check it out

👍

[molten ermine]

yeah this is what i was asking about - if the yank only happens 3 times before it stops. i can probably find some mob in the open world to check this with

[molten ermine]

to add, if you have another character that's done with runed crests, your alts all get a discount on upgrades with those crests - so spending crests on crafting becomes much less efficient

[velvet ermine]

Any good updates on a decent colos M+ tree? 👀

[raw parcel]

Oh boy! A new Onyx Annulet! ...on the bright side, it'll probably be a free 639, and I don't have myth rings yet. 😄

[old basin]

i require assistance

[keen leaf]

do we get a cata charge this tuesday or next

this as in 4 days, or next as in 10 days :x

[jovial steeple]

do you think it is releveant for 12/13 keys whether i go haste/crit or haste/vers? would you recommend a good mix?
or can I go hard on haste/crit?
Guides say haste/crit and high keys say haste/vers.
that's why i'm asking :).

[velvet ermine]

Crit = Crit Block = less damage overall

and its also damage

and parry

[waxen frigate]

Doesn’t crit block come from mastery

[velvet ermine]

Ahh ofc, thats mb, then its just parry

[tribal wharf]

in my fantasy world

pwar uses tons of haste and mastery

so then, not only 100% blocks but 100% critical blocks of spells and 85% of melee

i mean... and then you also get loads of attack power, so your abilities deal more dmg

[slow violet]

Hi mates. For m+ what sword is better? Crafted 636 or 3ºboss of raid 639?

[sweet summit]

639

higher number usually better

[slow violet]

I have both but dont know what is better

[sweet summit]

the highest ilvl one

stat websites are kinda flawed like that

if you don't understand how and what it does

some people just haven't gotten a myth track weapon yet

which means the 2nd best option is crafted weppy

[slow violet]

ahh okay really thanks bro

[fallow hinge]

how important is the dwarf racial for higher key levels?

[plush tendon]

its powerful, but content is 100% playable with other races

like human stun break is really nice for some dungens

[tribal wharf]

i got more effect text than a yugioh card now

[plush tendon]

need a nelf for Mists

[kind hinge]

Is mastery rly needed for high keys +14 / +15 / +16?

Would mastery help me more on keys?
I am going 38% haste 21K with 4 stacks of into the fray is 49%
15% Crit 6K
19% Vers 14k
16% mastery 700

I know that mastery increases block + increase the power of ignore pain, but those buffs would only be good in some specfic dungeons like sv maybe no?

[marble night]

so i was doing the 1st miniboss in DB, the church one. he did his tank smash terrifying slam. that showed up under avoidable dmg though?

[deft mortar]

god damnit can I get an easy key for once

I only get Necrotic Wake 12s xD

[tribal wharf]

should be unavoidable, maybe you can reduce it

[pallid panther]

that fear smash is cast on the tank. can't avoid

[marble night]

yeah i figured its unavoidable, dont know why it showed up under details as avoidable damage taken

i can understand if i wasnt prot

[pallid panther]

best can do is run from other members so they don't get feared

[tribal wharf]

you can spell block all the abilities, apparently

[strong forum]

you want a little bit of mastery

like 20-25%

[pallid panther]

or just plant and let them move away.

[strong forum]

cuz you barely invest any mastery but get huge return value

[tribal wharf]

not that you would want to touch the purple bfg ball

even with spell block, i have to imagine

[violet ginkgo]

even if the sim tell us not to?

[strong forum]

si

[violet ginkgo]

alright then I'll make some arrangement after wake up. Thx nome.

[deft mortar]

was about the say how tf is that little then I noticed I got 25%

[wide pilot]

how big of a deal is that swarmlords trinket from the raid over other m+ trinkets

[strong forum]

absolutely 0

like that trinket really doesnt make any difference

[sweet egret]

what can we do to do more dmg in high keys?

[strong forum]

play better

and dont play stupid trinkets

or talent builds

and gear for haste/crit

[tribal wharf]

o shit

mdi

[deft mortar]

some mdi pulls online are fkn stupid to do with pugs

[tribal wharf]

thats all its gunna be next week here........

i saw it on the mdi and i tried it in my 14 siege and now the key bricked, wtf you guys, what do i do

[deft mortar]

Imperfect Ascendancy Serum or Mark of Khardos (same ilvl)

[cyan bronze]

Can I run codex

[carmine zodiac]

ilvl 628 here, I had a crafted neck 610 haste/crit and I'd like to replace it with a 636 neck haste/versa or crit/versa. Either I go under 10% crit (first option) or I go 15703 haste unbuffed (second option). Is it dangerous to go under 10% crit or 16k haste unbuffed? I'm doing lvl 13 keys right now

[tribal wharf]

BRAND X

[snow furnace]

is swarmlord's authority bait? I have to choose between that and spare meat hook

the guides say swarmlord is D tier but I see high ranking warriors running it

[smoky anvil]

Are you pushing big keys?

[snow furnace]

just getting into 11s

[smoky anvil]

I’d go meat between the two.

More dam is nice.

[sweet summit]

you don't need it but if it makes you feel better then i guess it's fine

[carmine zodiac]

anyone's advice here? or I'm overcomplicating things? 😄

[tribal wharf]

weird

they changed how you earn the things slightly now

[jagged pier]

not weird at all

completely how they advirtise this months trading post

[sweet summit]

you overthinking it
vers crit is probably more damage
haste crit is middle ground
haste vers is defensive ish

[tribal wharf]

i was going to say the packs mostly seem exspensive but no big deal, means i have get 2000 points now

[carmine zodiac]

alright, thx @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

it won't make or break anything. as long as it has haste you'll be happy

[mint stream]

How many of you run Colossus as prot atm?

[whole osprey]

As someone who only runs m+ are any defensive trinkets from the dungeons even worth it? Just looking at them then just seem very underwhelming
Or is something like sacblood/khardos just better?

[sweet summit]

the only one worth thinking about is swarmlord's

and that one is from the raid

[jagged gust]

Even then it's main value to a prot war is the extra haste

[edgy bone]

Why are we not doing bolster

[jagged pier]

Because we alreay have 100% effective uptime of shield block without it

[grim grotto]

After the 2nd pull in sob, when u go down the stairs, what do u pull there in ur routes for +12 and higher in pugs? That patrol going around there always makes a shit show. And as far as I know, los them to stack them up is not working, because everyone has to do it and the fire bomber lays down a void on ur los position. So... I always struggle there. Any suggestions?

[tribal wharf]

bolster if im not mistakend is colossus

[sweet summit]

i do this

[grim grotto]

So u shroud

But that's not a good pug route

[compact palm]

Invis pot

[grim grotto]

Let's say I join a random group and I really convince them buying their first invis pot this season 😅🙈, the next death release point is after 2nd boss right?

[bitter zealot]

Is there a reason to go above 12s?

[olive sail]

Glory

[bitter zealot]

I bench the bar irl I have enough glory

[grim grotto]

A snickers bar?

[bitter zealot]

With 2 m&ms on each side

[grim grotto]

No way!

[bitter zealot]

I'm a warrior irl

[keen leaf]

dumb question, how often are yall executing in keys

[bitter zealot]

As much as I can

[jade flower]

would you use a 606 Ara-Kara Sacbrood if don't have a hero track one . im 620 prot warrior

[bitter zealot]

I do don't higher then 10/11s once I can execute i spam it with 40 rage or higher I don't waste rage on IP or revenge just execute spam XD

[old basin]

this game is making me unhinged

a guy said something to me on final boss and i left the key with 10 minutes left

i need a mental reset

[cyan bronze]

Alor

[green quiver]

does anyone else experience that suddenly the aggro gets dropped? I had now 2 occasions where i played a boss and everything is smooth but suddenly beneath 10% lifepool i drop aggro without any idea why... anyone know something about that?

[cyan bronze]

I fucking love

@strong forum what tcount does execute >/< revenge for raw dmg

no execute build, no bsc

[sweet summit]

revenge pulls ahead on 3

[cyan bronze]

ty

[lofty warren]

Is bis race changing from dwarf in 11.7?

[sweet summit]

why would it?

[lofty warren]

There are buffs incoming

They buffed some xandalari by 4000%

[pastel geyser]

seems like much

but its a part of the racial thats not used

at all

cuz its shit

if u wanna look at the buffs compared to this

everyone would take paku cuz its just better

tho kimbul with 400% increased effect might be funny, since i am zandalari on my war

[cyan bronze]

I heard maghar orc buff matters

Already simmed high for 2 min classes

[grim grotto]

Did u checked the logs? Happens often when earth elemental from shaman taunts, or trees, or random taunt from someone who can taunt 😅

[smoky anvil]

My sham never calls his earth ele and seeing lost aggro makes me panicky. Always gotta hit him with a “thats ele right?”

[green quiver]

both times it was the boomi that got aggro without trees or anything

[smoky anvil]

It’s the worst in pugs because I’ve had pugs drop ele at terrible times. Like ok GB 1st boss during the lines when tank buster isn’t active.

[grim grotto]

You can set up a plater nameplate color for that. Mine turns white /gray if they are taunted by pets etc

[smoky anvil]

Really? I’ll have to do some work when I’m done parsing gym.

[grim grotto]

That's true. I always hate the placements too. Have to taunt back everytime

[inland raft]

Or when you pop wall and then they drop it and waste cd for nothing

[smoky anvil]

It’s always when you don’t need it, and they look at you all proud n shit. Like look what I just did. And don’t have to heart to get on them.

[proper flicker]

in SoB, between boss 1 and 2 there's the pack that shoots at the entire party

I've basically heroic leaped and engaged the mob but I find my team still dies when they follow, am I doing something wrong? is it enough to just engage the pack or do I need to do something else?

[smoky anvil]

Like dude popped it in NW… AFTER the big pull was over. Like cmon dog.

[inland raft]

If someone dies to that pack thats on them they need to wait for shooting to stop

[smoky anvil]

The first gun shot pack will keep shooting for several seconds after you engage because multi dollar company. They gotta wait.

It’s not on you provided you don’t int into the gun shots and die too and just wall them.

You can leap or leap charge both packs and not need to pop a big cd to get them to fuck off.

[sweet egret]

the mobs shoot straight (this is when you're in the fight with them)

so if your dps are standing behind your back

you take the shots and they dont take dmg

same with the shooting squad past the banana monkeys

just get the group to stand behind you and they will be fine

their rp shooting sequence is interrupted just by you coming close enough to them

but there is a delay

[bronze dagger]

Is there anything from BRD HC worth getting for a protwarr?

[lofty warren]

Link me 11.7 racial Sims 👍

[turbid shuttle]

if you're fast and mount -> leap -> charge you can get to them before they start shooting and your team will not have to wait at all. if they start shooting they will continue for at least a few seconds even if you're actually fighting them.

[deft mortar]

Ur team is room temperature IQ

Happened to me the other day at a Boralus 12. Just because I leap in don't mean they gotta..

Bros won't understand that I got 12M hp and 55% armor

[smoky anvil]

What happened to routing that folks have changed SV pathing

looping around the room before twin machinists

[stone moat]

Just dodging the mechs? Aren’t you over on count then?

[smoky anvil]

I've always taken the two mechs

and dodge the patting one

w/group before the cart

this dude is skipping the cart and just running back

[pallid quiver]

They're likely swinging to get the Warrior/BS? buff that's in that room

If you do so, to avoid going over count, you'll skip the mobs near the mine cart and just run back

Costs you like 15-ish seconds on average in exchange for buff

[tropic tangle]

you can still get the cart depending on comp

need mind soothe, or a hard CC like imprison

but you can't really do a soft CC that goes in combat unless you have someone that can drop aggro

[pallid quiver]

This, but most groups will generally just run

[tropic tangle]

yeah

[trim tree]

Hi all. QUick question. Which of the hero specs has better self healing?

[regal yarrow]

Start the firing during your previous pull, and stop the firing right after the mobs last hook. You can run into the gunfire at the end of their "cast" and it won't tick on you, but it also gives you the extra time to guarantee they won't shoot again while your party runs through.

[regal yarrow]

You could probably technically get more actual healing out of colossus if that's all you cared about. but thane will take less damage and you can make your health bar not move until you start running 12s very easily.

[trim tree]

I have been playing BDK for a bit so got used to the self sustain....which makes me a bit reckless at times :p I like to solo delves as well when not in a grouping mood

plus i pvp as tank :p

[regal yarrow]

If you're going to pvp and only want to play 1 hero talent spec it might as well be colossus

Anyways the extra healing would come from fueled by violence, so I doubt any of the guides will have a decent build for you, but I haven't checked it out

[trim tree]

yeah they seem to shy away from it

but I like unorthodox :p

thanks for the advice 🙂

[jagged gust]

Nah, colo feels really bad in pvp, since demolish roots you they just walk out and /laugh at you

[trim tree]

well its either colo, thane, or stick with San'layn dk. BGs only on the pvp front. Hate arena. PvE I am finding the damage I take too spikey on DK but love the self heals

[copper grail]

Hey friends, annoyed with the fury hate and never getting invited to anything nor even getting people applying to my own keys lol so I'm thinking about trying to learn prot. I can "play" it through T8 delves and such for whatever that is worth but is there anything you all would recommend to look at it to try to get ahandle on how to actually use the spec?

[pallid quiver]

Wowhead and IV guides are generally a good read-up to start with. After that, just slap some practice on dummies and get rolling

The base rotation of playing Prot is honestly fairly easy; it's all the other tanking responsibilities that are a lot harder to manage

[copper grail]

Alright fair enough. What other responsibilities?

[toxic gyro]

Read to guide the get the basics and rotation. Most important thing is to have 100% uptime on shield block. Use your cds a lot and before you take dmg, not after. Spell block might be the strongest cd in the game vs caster bolts. Use demo about on cd pretty much. Spell reflect is amazing for both reflecting back but it also gives you magic dr. Play the game and learn to tank. Learn routes(mdt add on helps a lot), you can copy routes from raider.io

[pallid quiver]

• Routing and managing dungeon pace
• Properly mitigating damage with your defensive CDs
• Managing interrupts
• Etc

Luckily, routing this season is pretty simple, since you need to kill most of the mobs in most dungeons anyway, so it's really "Can I pull this without the group dying"

[toxic gyro]

👆also this, learn to control packs by yourself as much as you can if you’re gonna tank, especially in pugs. Shockwave, challenging shout silence (if you spec into it). Storm bolt, shield charge, fear.

[copper grail]

Awesome, thanks for all of this.

I've already been learning that bit because of encountering people just not doing anything in M+ lol

[toxic gyro]

That’s why playing with guildies, friends, making your own group slowly is the best course of action. Being in coms help a lot and make it more fun.

You can assign ppl to kicks and use auto marker wa for marking.

[fiery gale]

People who are playing both warri and pala on same level what’s your feeling?

Mitigation wise warr really can’t be topped imo

Pala dmg is op though

[queen hemlock]

Pala is im fucked if i have to panic divine shield when doing 11s for me

Pala is great with how you can do stupid pulls and just as youre gonna die DS and WoG u gucci
Prot doesnt get the luxury of doing those without x2 shield wall and even then
Shit like debuffs from those assholes in SV (mech side) and CoT(conscripts) make me wanna cry if no one stuns for me LUL

[scarlet stone]

[queen hemlock]

Has been times where its on cd/ already did and the pack is still dying
OR
OR
ARCANE MAGE EW

[scarlet stone]

Plan better?

It shouldn’t be on CD coming up to the pull that you need it for kiting. 1 reset of your stacks should be enough to then face tank the rest of the pack even if damage is bad, and if it’s that bad then you can just leap out and kite again.

[inner wren]

prot war is i never get in that position in the first place

but doing giga dps is fun so pal is fun

[scarlet stone]

Pal vs war is pretty similar damage with meta comp after bshout, but spellward / ds / sac / wog > intervene.

Oh and freedom ofc.

[inner wren]

they are when considering bshout

but

its more fun to have your bar be bigger and little dps babies have smaller bars

[queen hemlock]

I tried leaping out a few times,
Ended up with people not kicking shit and them dying to stray cast
Those packs has been engrained in my mind as a win or wipe fights

Honestly just gotta plan better but
Yea
Never held spear for them as much as I should

[scarlet stone]

The cot pull only had 1 caster in the first pull and 2 in the 2nd. And they’re not that dangerous overall so it’s purely on you kiting.

The sv pull has 2-3 casters but they’re also not particularly dangerous unless you’re in 14+, at which point you’re not having that problem.

Really so long as you plan spear for them it makes it much easier. Use spear more for how powerful of a hold it is and not the damage.

You’ll get the damage out of it regardless since you’re using it on a pack of mobs. But the damage is not the main utility of spear.

[queen hemlock]

Rage gen and not gonna lie
I macro the spear to cast on me cause i fucked it up too many times LOL

[scarlet stone]

Gotta fix that.

[queen hemlock]

Ita really just a me problem
Better players wouldnt have an issue

[scarlet stone]

Rage gen is also a joke you already have infinite rage.

[queen hemlock]

Mean im very very afraid of the 3 pack pull from the start of GB

[fiery gale]

Yeah to me pala doesn’t feel super tanky

It’s also the tank I always have the biggest healer % contribution with end of run, usually 30+

Maybe they’re just scared though

And don’t believe in WOG at low %

[queen hemlock]

When hp at 40% press wog
Always contest healing with heales in packs

Prot pala plays like a bdk LUP

[neat terrace]

Hey brothers, is colossus that much weaker than mountain thane?

[round pendant]

define weaker

You can do more dam with colossus but it's harder to play

you're squishier too

[tawny current]

Who can say no to a 5% size increase? Clearly best stat

[edgy bone]

Any guides on the best way to use tailoring items in Ara KAra?

[queen hemlock]

Very very fun tho colo
But yea you're alot squisher
And sincd your goal as a colo is do damage
You're spending alot of rage doing revenge instead of IP
And the one thing that feels off af is using demolish as a mitigation during heavy tank busters

[fiery gale]

Yep HP bar looking similar that’s for sure

Weird though because they have quite big armor with sotr and a good 100% block uptime from the WOGs and shields

[cunning berry]

So, my question with Colo, is I’m at 604 on my warr right now just farming VS surely I could get away with farming like 4s on Colo instead of Mountain Thane yeah? Just looking for a switch up while farming

[queen hemlock]

Never really know why they took so much aa damage as well
I dont know how often i block afterall
But its a very fun tank
If you play templar
Lightsmith (at least before rework) feels ass

[fiery gale]

I only started M+ on my ppal after rework I think, currently around 613 ilvl

And lightsmith exclusively

Definitely fun, but I wonder if always having 30+% healer contribution on me is a me issue or healer trust issue on ppal

[queen hemlock]

Yea you can
All the way to 11 even if you know what youre doing

[cunning berry]

Dope, I know I’ve been using it for raid prog and demolish just feels really fun to hit, not to mention all the damage you get out of revenge

[fiery gale]

Does sacrbood actually drop in prot spec?

[queen hemlock]

Should be yes but dont use prot spec
The other trinket can drop

[fiery gale]

Alright

[boreal heath]

defensively is it better to craft a 636 shield if I have a 606 one, or a 636 glove since mine is 580

[south zealot]

shield

[queen hemlock]

Ultra rare shit>mandate(maybe if you actually use it)>Shield>trinket>weapon everything else

[fathom forge]

i got 22000 Haste do i want ascendance or would i rather just go Duskthread lining-Vers

im at 15crit/39Haste/16mas/15vers

[lilac sedge]

What is love,

Baby dont hurt me

Dont hurt me, no more.

[fathom forge]

fuk me i guess lol

[lilac sedge]

Day 2 of NNN

LETS GOOO

[jagged pier]

U go which ever lining u want

[paper flame]

Whats the cap for haste?

For prot

[jagged pier]

There isnt one

U keep stacking it

[paper flame]

At 27 percent was thinking to get some crit up instead if more haste

Still low ilvl only 607

[meager berry]

what is the max haste i should go?

without flasks and etc

i have around %46 in dungeon is that normal?

[lilac sedge]

guys whats a good herb and mining addon?

i want to make 10k gold a day

[violet ginkgo]

make it FNN (F being Full)

[violet ginkgo]

no add on I think, honestly I am more seeking into what knowledge point to spent in those professions, for effective farming. All I know is gathering while mount is a must, but after that is blank.

[fallen heath]

Hi any stream to learn prot warrior?

[jagged pier]

In the faqs i believe

[lilac sedge]

is this good for herb? as a starter

i never done professions before im noob

[fallen heath]

i read the guides but want to watch some skilled prot warr play. any recommendation?

[jagged pier]

Oh there used to be a list on discord somewhere

But basically
Nomeratur
Sense

Sense has lots of runs on youtube

[lilac sedge]

jakey help 😭

[sand condor]

Okay gang, we’ve seen a decent amount of prot war in mdi, and something interesting I saw is that occasionally they ran the upgrade to challenging shout. Is it actually viable if you’re pulling really big?

[violet ginkgo]

Not about really big, more like if you pull a lot of casters.

[sand condor]

I think im gonna try to play around with it? It looks very interesting

I was happy to see something else than just vdh tbh

[sudden tangle]

Could someone help me with where I might be going wrong on prot?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XhT7amybG1R9cF6K#fight=3

Or should I post in the log-review channel. Want prot specific tips though

[violet ginkgo]

I can't go on detail but from a glance I think you need to press more shield slam

[lilac sedge]

why do blacksmithers expect me to pay 15k on a craft

when my own mats costed me like 2-3k gold

its just clickin a button

[violet ginkgo]

let me ask you a question, do you think it is easy to max rank a craft?

[lilac sedge]

Yes

u just focus on it instead of raiding/etc.

since its ur thing

its like me joining high keys and asking for 15k since im tanking it

same logic

its not easy getting to 630ilvl to tank

but, do i charge people?

[violet ginkgo]

false, the answer it's not. They have to do weekly knowledge profession gathering it improve the knowledge and that is not free.

the order from patron that gives them knowledge point is not free as they might have to buy things from AH to finish that patron order.

[lilac sedge]

its ok its their fault

[sand condor]

Lol

[lilac sedge]

nobody told them to focus on that profession

[sand condor]

Labour costs are a thing big man

[lilac sedge]

No.

[sand condor]

If someone cleans your car you pay material, costs labour costs and then the margin.

[violet ginkgo]

well then if they are not focusing on that profession then who will craft your things lul.

[sand condor]

Do you expect people to do things for you for free?

[violet ginkgo]

I think he did expect like that

[lilac sedge]

but what if i brought my own materials

[sand condor]

If you work at mcdonalds and someone brings their own cup. You may give them a discount but it stillnisnt free

[lilac sedge]

so if i go to mcdonalds with my own beef, sauce, buns, i'd pay full price for him to put them together?

O.o

[sand condor]

No they’d tell you to fuck off

[lilac sedge]

no they wouldnt

[sand condor]

Because thats weird as fuck

[lilac sedge]

maybe they would tell u that

but they wont tell me that tbh

im known

[sand condor]

They would charge you to use the kitchen

[lilac sedge]

anyways just got the craft for 20g

so keep begging for 15ks

[sand condor]

15k is insane btw

[lilac sedge]

yeah

which is why i was saying that its non sense

[sand condor]

But expecting everything free in life is also insane

[lilac sedge]

till u wanted to be a hero

not free, but for a reasonable pricee

if they dont wanna be reasonable, dont expect me to be aswell

[violet ginkgo]

Put it this way, You want a fried rice. Then you come to a Chef that can cook a good fried rice. You said you bring your own mats but that chef will still charge you for his service

Because he spent time and years to improve his skills to be able to make a good fried rice.

[lilac sedge]

i'd go full cheap mode

[sand condor]

I forgot how incredibly entitled some people are lol

[lilac sedge]

he said 15k to gurantee Rank 5

but 10k to make it a 30% chance

and valk is agreeing

[sweet summit]

fuck that

[lilac sedge]

exactly

got rank 5 for 20g

[sweet summit]

i pay 3k max

[little steppe]

Its fake

[sweet summit]

fuxk you 15k

[lilac sedge]

yeah valk is a scammer

[little steppe]

U don't have a chance now

[lilac sedge]

valk's backup was "Because they spent too long on learning the profession >_<"

[violet ginkgo]

I agree not because of the price, I agree he should charge you because you expect things to be free.

[lilac sedge]

yeah, lemme just slide t hem 1mil gold instead

i never said free

i was complaining abt 15k

even with my metaphors i said "Full price"

which indicates that im still willing to pay, but not that much

[sweet summit]

if I pay 15k i expect them to cover mats too what the hell

[minor forge]

I pay 5k gold for a 636 off the bat craft
2500 for 619
500 for 606
Anything more this late in season with proffession knowledge and catchup aint worth paying

[lilac sedge]

if im paying 15k that shield better walk alone and tank alone

[sweet summit]

real

[violet ginkgo]

if you are not OK with the 15k then why complain here? just say no to the offer and move on, someone will offer less.

[lilac sedge]

this is why i love erga

[sweet summit]

i love me too

[lilac sedge]

should've said this in the first place

instead of yapping abt non sense

but we are prot warriors we have to complain so we get buffed

[sweet summit]

we should get 2 extra talent points, one in each tree, that would be an acceptable buff i think

[lilac sedge]

true, or even use both war within talents together

colossus + mountain thane

[sweet summit]

honestly real

[sand condor]

Colossus is kind of a funny button

[lilac sedge]

guys how to use mdt

i just have it installed never used it

[minor forge]

Not pushing 10s yet
Currently a 619 hero track weapon, is it worth crafting a 636 weapon as next craft(have 636 crafted shield)

[lilac sedge]

Yes. 100%

[minor forge]

Cheers
The grind continues

[knotty light]

is valk an extortionist who rips people off their hard earned 15k gold for just a click???

[sand condor]

Damn Valk being put on a pyre for real

[violet ginkgo]

I don’t know, I got paid 30k for offering item from normal raid. I got that item for a simple click.

[knotty light]

can the assistants in ARAK with Extraction Strike be soothed?

[lilac sedge]

guys how do i reset impending victory cd

or is it rng

[sand pebble]

killing something

[lilac sedge]

as in me being the last hit, right?

[steep crest]

yes you have to be the killing blow

[sand condor]

Even if i get the proc, i typically hold it for the affix or after a buster to help the healer

[steep crest]

are you guys running Bitter Immunity for this week?

my VR isnt topping me off as is

[sand condor]

Lol

No

[sand condor]

It just helps soften it if the healer has to heal through it

[tender reef]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-this-ricky-berwick-look-down-helmet-shield-gif-20937345

[rancid tiger]

15k is cheap

[sweet summit]

i currently have 1.5k gold in my inventory

15k is a lot!!!

i need to rob a bank in game

[chilly brook]

meanwhile me dropping 6k on a ring craft in tips

[tribal wharf]

i guess todays mdi is the other half the dungeon pool?

i want to see stonevault and threads keys mostly maybe mists or somethin, seems like they had SV last night

immediately after it i ran low one for resource nobodu needs intstruction or anything

[slim oar]

Guys i have wep and shield that are 619 (shield is crafted) , now i collected 90 gilded crests, should i make a weapon or upgrade shitty neck that is 606 to 639 with 2x gems

wep is fully upgraded with crit/haste

[sand pebble]

shield = biggest defensive upgrade, weapon is the biggest offensive upgrade - neck is just more stam!

[slim oar]

hm then i assume i should make wep because i want 2x embelishment

[sand pebble]

unless you have access to myth track weapons id craft that tbh

[slim oar]

yea

imma do that thanks my G

[tribal wharf]

what the shit

[marble night]

does demo shout only effect attacks toward you? or all attacks coming from who has the debuff?

[sand pebble]

only you

[marble night]

https://tenor.com/view/wack-thatswack-hannibal-burress-ericandreshow-gif-20565184

[fervent nymph]

Hey all, newbie question, do I have to be Fury spec in Ara kara to loot the trinket?

[wild chasm]

All specs can loot it, if you ever wonder what spec can loot something, just open dungeon journal and choose the loot spec, check what items it gets

[bitter zealot]

Prot pally?

[green quiver]

I am playing mountain thane prot in m+ only. However, i got the feeling my dmg is kinda slacking. I am playing a more defensive build using Champion's Spear (no Roar or Ravager). However i kinda have the feeling that there needs to be more dmg. I think i am doing too less Revenge dmg overall in the keys. Can anyone give me some insight on the rage spend on Revenge? Is it only used when you get the free one or is it also regularely spent all the time?

[tardy abyss]

[violet ginkgo]

If you are Thane then Revenge is just to use for 2 things

1. Apply deep wounds to the mobs you pull/tank
2. When Shield slam and Thunder Clap on CD and you try to fish SS reset.

[green quiver]

thats what i think I already did. However I feel like my dmg need to be higher. Can you tell me how much % of dmg your Revenge does in a key 12+?

[violet ginkgo]

for that kind of question I think better provide your log here, I think some ppl can really help with reviewing. I can't review though.

[tardy abyss]

The Revenge damage is irrelevant

Sometimes you dont have to fish at all, sometimes often

Even if it mattered, that number would be REALLY small

[violet ginkgo]

yeah that revenge part is irrelevant but if he feel his damage can be higher then it's play issue and that can be seen by logs, and I think review log is the way to fix that.

[green quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cXQKFGDBgC1HL3ra#fight=5&type=summary
Here is the log of my timed +13 SoB. in that run particular i had the feeling i lost soo much dmg. However i am pretty new to warrior and i had the feeling there must be something wrong. I would really appreciate if you could help me find out what I am doing wrong

[tardy abyss]

How did you time it with that total dps

Including your groups dps I mean

That is insanely low

[green quiver]

yeah was not the best run

was still timed tho

[sweet summit]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yCGXnBpVvJ4AMgP7#fight=46&type=casts&source=279 compared to my 13 siege you had eight (8) less casts per minute than me and we have basically the same haste

you're just not pressing buttos

or is it 6

idk

but that's a lot

[jagged pier]

weirld build if your going for the defence build honestly

[violet ginkgo]

I am not good of reviewer but from a glance.. Your shield slam is 15 per minute. While that is OK but on Thane since you got burst of power, it should be higher for sure.

Also the blocked hit is 83% you got hit a lot in the back?

[jagged pier]

your running ITF and taking bolster

when u could just run HR

and then u can have ravager back

[violet ginkgo]

Ah Jakey is here, you are in luck, he is a good feedback giver.

[jagged pier]

which will make u more tanky

[tardy abyss]

Also two points in endurance training

[copper grail]

If I'm transitioning/learning prot can I use my fury gear? Will it be a huge difference?

[jagged pier]

no difference

[violet ginkgo]

@green quiver ahhh well we found a talent problem yeah I mean you miss the other spear talent and no ravager, that will lower your damage for sure.

[copper grail]

Oh awesome lol

I see avoidance as a stat and wasn't sure if that shows up more if I'm set to drop prot gear

[tardy abyss]

Isnt Ravager alone like 50k-100k dps

[green quiver]

well i got to admit since i play warri now for only 2 weeks, i took what most ppl use. But the variance in dmg for me was weird for me. the casts per minute shocks me kinda

[tardy abyss]

"What most people take" as in the highest r.io warriors?

Lots of people just copy yoda and co

[green quiver]

murlok.io

well i gotta start somewhere 😄

[tardy abyss]

Copying their builds when youre not even close to their level is usually a bad idea

They have to play their keys differently

And thus take niche talents

[green quiver]

i know that simply copying is not the best. However, if i am new to a class i will have a look what is popular. Now i see i am slacking and i am informing myself in detail to fix the issue

[tender reef]

no the 15k shield that tanks by iself 😄

[tardy abyss]

If youre new a guide should be the first stop

Not some random website with terrible info

[tender reef]

how about copy the wow head guide instead of the 0.0001% of player

[sweet summit]

kinda overshot it

[tardy abyss]

The large majority of 3rd party websites are bad because they give information without any context

[tender reef]

but it also gives you RAGE

which should give you more dps too

you can sim with ravager and without to see

[tardy abyss]

I guess it can be up to 50k but 30k is still a lot

[green quiver]

its not like i cant play guys. I timed my keys using this build but i had some issues thats why i ask for insight and help. Telling me to copy a build on wowhead is really no help

[tender reef]

then whats ur issue

or what insight are you looking for

[sweet summit]

i think this is the highest i've gotten from ravager

[tardy abyss]

Copying and reading the guide would be help

Swarmlords is also overrated if you have another dps trinket, anyway

[tender reef]

haha i did hc yesterday first time, i sold swarmlord for 400k

hahahhahaha

trash trinket

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

me walking out of that raid

[tardy abyss]

400k is crazy yeah

[tender reef]

i woulndt have sold for 150k, but for 400 i coulndt say no

id liked to keep it to try it out, but its not worth losing 400k 😄

[tender reef]

you forgot all of them, or you dont believe i answer you honestly?

cmon hit me with issues and missing insights, im hot for them

[sweet summit]

i'm not trying to be rude or anything but the "popular high key build" isn't really necessary unless you're actually doing that content (something that the stat websites just kinda ignore). there are some things you can change up from the wowhead build depending on dungeon like spell block/double wall. but that doesn't mean you should do all of that at once, i prefer doing it in increments (idk if that's the right word but hopefully you get what i mean). ideally you "learn to play" with the "offensive" build and go from there. however, i won't yell at you for doing what you're doing because it's obviously working.
that being said, your main issue for not doing as much damage, other than the talents, seem to be not pressing buttons, unironically. i'd be happy to dive a bit deeper if you have a log you feel like you did well in as you said that one was not your best run

[tender reef]

your spells look good, your dmg does suck. you stacked versatility which is bad.
you got vers on everything also your embellishments sucks
you didnt skill the second spear upgrade
you didnt skill sidearm
you did skill defenders aegis for what ever reason, and then using sw like 3 times
you didnt skill bloodsurge
you did skill bolster, lol
you can skill show of force or sudden death instead of thunderlord

yeah thats what i see atm

you can make more offensive changes but depends on how stable you are

🤷‍♂️

[cunning bay]

Does anyone got a good source what can be intervened in the current m+ season? Like the one on the 1st boss in nw ? ❤️

[sweet summit]

don't think it exists but i can probably put something together later today

[tender reef]

that be nice 🙂

[green quiver]

For me that build was a starting point. The issue what i personally experience is that i do different dmg with the same build. And I gotta say the answer that I might have low uptime might also be the reason why i slack in some keys. That is kinda what already helped as i can focus on that and see if that solved the inconsitency. Regarding the build and spending points in different talents to get more dmg is something else. Thank you for taking the time to answer me guys, I appreciate that.

[cunning bay]

That would be great 👍

[tender reef]

this answer does not fit the "iam above the wow head guide", i go back to dont copy the 0.00001% of players.

start at the guide and then suit it more to your playstyle

[sweet summit]

just to clarify, different damage between different dungeons or compared to the same dungeon with the same route and similar dps player damage? because my damage varies a lot from dungeon to dungeon and stuff

and also how much does it vary

[tender reef]

also bro what

[sweet summit]

what what

[green quiver]

???

[tender reef]

yeah lol just change your talents to a normal build and your dps should go up

[green quiver]

The variance i noticed was in the same dungeons for the same routes. I know that different dungeons and different routing also result in different dps ofc

[tender reef]

but not sure if you need it

lmao

[green quiver]

what do you mean by you are not sure if i need?

[sweet summit]

do you have logs from those runs? i can take a look and compare to see if i can find anything

[tender reef]

the difference is, if you are in your boost group or not

[sweet summit]

what

[tender reef]

yeah you cant play pugs the same as premade team runs

imba run

not imba run

yeah if you got insane group the fast time alone pushes your dps up

but if you got normal group you need to carry yourself lol

[sweet summit]

there is a 10 ilvl difference between those two screen shots

which might make a small difference

innit

[green quiver]

ilvl

[tender reef]

fair

you didnt do mythic for like 2 weeks

[green quiver]

what mythic?

raid?

[green quiver]

???

[sweet summit]

i think you need to clarify a bit more you're just typing words without saying a whole lot

[tender reef]

well not much to say here

if that is you

what is your goal

and what you mean you only play since 2 weeks since the logs are way older

also looks like boost account

[green quiver]

Ok let me explain what you miss here. The char exists since DF at least. Played it for some time and i reactivated it a few weeks ago to switch from main druid tank to warri. I had a lot of Ara runs to get the trinket thats why that number is so high. but i mostly play with the same people so i already knew the dungeons and could time the same keys and higher ones what my druid already did with the same group. May I ask if you try to look for something to expose me or what are you trying to say with the last messages?

[tender reef]

you said you started playing the warri tank 2 weeks, ago. which is not true.
you also state you got issues with your dmg, which is true, but look at your fucked up talent build.

you play 13ers with your mates youre in the 0.001% you play really well, your dps sucks because of your items and build thats all

i have no idea how to get to 16cpm SS

im at 12

[green quiver]

Again, I am not complaining about my dmg logs or the overall dmg. In the runs i did with the same talents and the same gear, i could see that my dmg was different sometimes it was good sometimes bad. Without changing anything in talents or gear. That made me think that i miss out on something I was not aware of. So i thought maybe i ask my other prot friends here on the discord. And I am sorry if i did not write my message clear enough but the way you answer me and provide screenshots of my logs including an implication that i got boosted is really not what i expected. Maybe you try giving feedback that is actually answering the questions asked or simply keep your thoughts to yourself. Thanks to everyone that actually took me serious!

[tender reef]

i did answer

btw

[green quiver]

you think you did

[tender reef]

okay

anyway of course the numbers change based on the party

they change based on the pulls

and based on fast you get through

faster = more dps

bigger pulls and faster = more dps

even though the dmg you do would be the same

to show you that i posted you the different runs you did, but then you said oh its not the groups its the items lvls

well then just get another 50 item levels to do the dmg you want to do

🤷‍♂️ good luck

[molten gorge]

People are not robots, you won't play every dungeon perfectly exactly the same every time 🤷‍♂️

On top of the things that got mentioned like comp, clear time etc

Better to look maybe at your CPM on certain abilities, maybe you did less or more cause you were off or on your game in that particular key

Someone mentioned CPM actually and said it was low, so ya, it's a very spammy spec

[slim oar]

Feels good to tank that boss

[small grotto]

hey guys, which craft should i make first? weapon/shield?

or mby ring? my ring is shi tty

[sharp gale]

It’s siege

[tender reef]

weapon

[tender reef]

you can farm them in m+

[remote frost]

Is Battle-Scarred Veteran bugged? Since this reset I have had multiple packs kill me through proc and the hits seem to not be affected by the DR after I go below 30% HP.

[lilac sedge]

guys, can you share the story of how you met your current partner/wife as an introvert that is broke?

[molten gorge]

😂

[jagged pier]

no its working fine

[violet ginkgo]

636 shield go for it

[sharp gale]

you can die through BSV, if you drop Shield Block for example you will, if you no cd 2x anima slashs you will too

[violet ginkgo]

contrary to ppl's believe bsv is not cheat death, Falko.

[jagged pier]

BSV procs on something that will bring u below 30%

u can still die with the buff on

[small grotto]

so shield or weapon ?:D

[jagged pier]

if u are taking insane amounts of damage

like u can proc it at 100% HP if u take a beam tick in dawnbreaker

on a 15

it will proc it because that hit will bring u below 30%

well honestly that tick would probably kill u

but thats how BSV works its not a cheat death

u can 100% die with it

so you ither taking tones of damage that is dropping u to below 30% or taking 1 massive unmitigated hit thats procing it early

[small grotto]

So which first craft is better boys 😄

[jagged pier]

shield

if

u arent going to get a myth track shield easily

[small grotto]

allright, thanks!:)

[jagged pier]

if u are farming 10s recommended not to craft one tbh

[small grotto]

i will farm

but need some better gear rn

Which embalishment should i use for shield?

[jagged pier]

lining

[small grotto]

got it on wrist i guess

but still only lining?

[sweet summit]

they stack

[lilac sedge]

guys do veng dh have good survivability?

ngl being a demon is hot

but whats the point if i cant self heal right guys

[toxic pewter]

wat

[wild chasm]

Looking at the top m+ runs, they appear there. They do have some self heal, better than us, not on the level of BDK. If you utilize CD’s well then you can play it without problems, but if you struggle with managing CD’s it will be a pain in the ass at 12 and above

[wild chasm]

I met my first ex through a guild in wow :v So that works

[timid wigeon]

Hi, can anyone explain how dodge/parry/block/crit block system works ?

[sweet summit]

dodge and parry you just negate the attack and it's debuffs (pure RNG)
block and crit block are just damage reductions, crit block being our mastery (more mastery = higher crit block chance) and just giving twice the amount of damage reduction compared to regular block up to a cap of 85% DR (spell block is uncapped)

[timid wigeon]

also is the nerubian embelishment that stacks random 2ndary stats better duskthread ? I find myself under 80% hp quite a good time on high keys to fully use duskthread, and the pulls become bigger and longer

[timid wigeon]

I meant, the rolling system for dodge/parry/block/crit block

[tender reef]

id craft weapon and the gem laser embellish, dmg is king. vers is for nerds

[timid wigeon]

does it sum all dodge/parry/block first for normal white hit first, then roll dodge+parry for missed attacks, then roll block for partial attacks. Is %crit block on mastery tool tip is the % of crit block over a blocked attack ?

or does shield block add 100% block chance then the over 100% block chance becomes crit block then adds the % crit block from mastery on top of it?

[sharp gale]

god that's a lot of dungeons

[lament prairie]

just 40
its fine

[sharp gale]

it's such a pain

i dont even have crest discount

[tender reef]

i think its this, but not sure

[tender reef]

40 timed ones... 👍

[sharp gale]

at least every 90 i get a 636 item...

[lament prairie]

does crest discount for gilded even exist?

[sharp gale]

you need every slot in 639

crafts doesnt count

[lament prairie]

ah okay

so gilded discount doesnt exist for me :))

[sharp gale]

yes and there is a chance if you start now fresh and only get myth track through vault you will never have full 639

[lament prairie]

Im fine with that

Im not mythic raiding

so idc

[sharp gale]

yes it's really fine, just crafts 636s you will not die from 1 overall ilvl

[lilac sedge]

during a raid? or was it just normal guild chatting everyday,etc.

ngl i want to meet a woman that plays wow with a dead rich husband

so i can get with her and when she dies i'd be able to clutch

[tropic tangle]

what is going on in here this morning

[tender reef]

hes korean, they got a different culture

[lilac sedge]

fr, korean on the passport not from the waist down though

i be black down there

[tropic tangle]

also just the guy you were arguing with before, that was a weird one

[lilac sedge]

are you american?

[tender reef]

yeah idk what his deal was, seemed to be just here to flexx.
asked for help to push his dogshit dmg, and then acted like he was above it all 😄

[lilac sedge]

fr, some people are mentally ill on discord

[tender reef]

normality for the spider, is chaos for the fly

you doing a good job on that part too, dont worry

[lilac sedge]

me?

or Denic

[tender reef]

u

[lilac sedge]

oh

[tender reef]

asking alone is another strong point

[lilac sedge]

do you like points?

[tender reef]

almost as much as edges

[lilac sedge]

weak

go lift

[tender reef]

dont like lifting either, i like rowing

for the river of fate is unpredictable

[lilac sedge]

i never asked about what you like nor your feelings

you're a man so go lift

otherwise self execute

[tender reef]

and were back at mental illness

[lilac sedge]

Bro'll do it for some shoes and some clothes, You'll see what he'll do for a necklace.

we're*

[tender reef]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-shocked-fry-not-that-shocked-expected-gif-22106566

[lilac sedge]

change the fox pfp into an anime profile or smth

are u an animal?

Is a different timezone.

Tomorrow i've got another plane

I'm not gonna take it.

Mhhhmmmm instead im gonna fly straight to you,

i paid double for the tickets

And i dont give a shit about the contracts that i signed

And they can say whatever, we're making love

We're fucking tonight.

[marble night]

you dont have to reflect anything with spell reflect to get the 20% spell dmg dr correct?

[wild chasm]

We were in the same guild/raid group. It was her brother that got her there, my raid leader got interested in her but as I was the more outgoing guy I invited her to join keys with us and to generally hang out in teamspeak I believe it was. So yeah

[lilac sedge]

ay thats whatsup man

finally a warrior who had the balls to say his story

[strong forum]

Correct

[kind maple]

Guys who playing 12-14+. How many ravangers for dungeon you got? I got like 150-190, think its a bit low, but for more i should be sometimes without ignore pain. It is okey or not?

[blazing condor]

revenge casts?

you can always just look up on warcraftlogs yourself and compare

[strong forum]

Uuuh

Doesn't sound too wrong

[kind maple]

Casts

[plush tendon]

naw, Im sending 100+ Ravagers in a dungeon

[dusky canopy]

As long as you’re doing it on cd while in combat you’re good

[kind maple]

I got like 600k overall every dungeon. Gear 615-617, but anyway thinking it’s low

[dusky canopy]

Assuming the mobs live its full duration

[tender reef]

sounds about right, but yeah tank dmg kinda low

[round pendant]

lmao what is happening in cities rn

dornogal is a ghost town