guess im grabbing weapon and putting double duskthread right
#protection
heavy sparrow
Colossus or mountain thane?
strong forum
Yeah that's a sick weapon, grats
strong forum
Colossus or mountain thane?
Colossus for dumb Zug zug dps fun
Thane for actually stuff that hurts
heavy sparrow
Wild
Because I wanna do more DPS as a prot tank
600-618 basically dropped the C level damage mitigation stuff
Basically 620+ just been getting damage trinkets
strong forum
Best way to do more dmg is practice and proper rotation
I did my highest overall at 616 ilvl as Colossus this season
heavy sparrow
How are you during single target Raiding like queen
strong forum
I might try to get some big fun numbers this week now that I'm almost 633
heavy sparrow
Or court
strong forum
I didn't get to do raid dmg yet as prot
But I'd imagine closer to 1mil on queen
And like 1.2-1.3mil on silken
strong forum
Tanks
heavy sparrow
My user is
mcaulkiner on moon Gaurd. Can I look up your char as a reference point
strong forum
My name is Nomeratur everywhere
elder bay
everywhere?
strong forum
r u sure
Yeah, I have more trouble finding tanks for my keys than healers
Everywhere
Even on onlycrits.
elder bay
let me see that birth certificate
strong forum
Holup need to scan first
elder bay
wtf is scan fist?
strong forum
jagged pier
thin finch
hey guys. Hows collosus doing compared to MT after the buffs?
jagged pier
that
tribal wharf
city yes
jagged pier
is a question for sims for you char
lilac sedge
guys i think im currently the best disc priest out there
strong forum
Colossus will do more dmg if you have alot of crit
If you don't have crit, thane will do more dmg
jagged pier
thin finch
tks what exactly is a lot of crit? more than 30%?
strong forum
Yeah
elder bay
yup this is legit. I stand corrected.
strong forum
Im closing in on 40% crit 
thin finch
Im closing in on 40% crit <a:BearLETSFUCKINGGOOOO:1242605190377508945>
poggers
tardy abyss
strong forum
But also, if you don't have a lot of crit as thane, you shouldn't play spear
heavy sparrow
If you don't have crit, thane will do more dmg
I got like 5% crit
strong forum
Rip
lavish solstice
is arms or fury the best offspec to protection in case i need to switch on the raid?
heavy sparrow
But 43% base haste
strong forum
Doesn't really matter, Elder
tardy abyss
is arms or fury the best offspec to protection in case i need to switch on the r...
arms
elder bay
But also, if you don't have a lot of crit as thane, you shouldn't play spear
so how much crit? I am at 19% crit
strong forum
Both specs do want tons of haste
tardy abyss
But fury wants mastery 2nd, no?
strong forum
Arms wants more crit whereas fury wants mastery
tardy abyss
exactly
strong forum
so how much crit? I am at 19% crit
That's mainly a sim question, I don't know the exact breakpoint
jagged pier
so how much crit? I am at 19% crit
thane probably does more
lavish solstice
I will try to use arms then, seems more simple and only use 1 weapon
twilit turtle
Hi folks is true Haste > vers for M+ and Haste > crit for raiding?
jagged pier
for u
lavish solstice
thx guys
thin finch
so how much crit? I am at 19% crit
Im sit on 19% as well, 24%haste
jagged pier
Hi folks is true Haste > vers for M+ and Haste > crit for raiding?
haste>crit/vers for both
your stats after haste dont matter for surviability
elder bay
That's mainly a sim question, I don't know the exact breakpoint
gotcha, I thought there was a range say, once you are over % amount Spear is best.
strong forum
Nah "breakpoints" or specific stat spread to aim for dont exist in a world of Sims and vault
sick sentinel
Hey, it's my first tank toon and I want to do raid finder and normal raid etc, is there a solid weakaura pack that just tells me to taunt and stuff?
rough egret
not rly related to Warrior, but more like raid weak auras 🙂
sudden lynx
Hey, it's my first tank toon and I want to do raid finder and normal raid etc, i...
I'd probably recommend to just learn the timings etc, low diff raids are a pretty good environment to learn that kind of stuff anyway imo
Up to you obviously but I do think it's better to improve your general awareness on your own before you start lettign addons tell you things
heavy sparrow
Hey, it's my first tank toon and I want to do raid finder and normal raid etc, i...
Hey.
Hekili
Weak auras
DBM taunt
Just go from there you'll be fine
small steeple
Whats the purpose of this macro in the faq
/cast Shield Slam```How important would you guys say that damage is for a tank? I always try to maximize my damage as much as I possibly can without risking a death, but I also see a lot of tanks who just do kind of the minimum to keep threat not die. The answer to my question seems obvious to me but I was talking to a friend who is quite a bit higher up than me in rio and he says that tank damage doesnt matter all that much
sterile owl
would you guys take myth sacbrood or myth cloak? (got hero in both)
sudden lynx
Whats the purpose of this macro in the faq
```/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Sla...
To immediately use rage you gain from ss, I'm not a fan personally but it's there if you want to use it. It's just to reduce the amount of buttons I think
sudden lynx
Lol
small steeple
whats its for
Sorry, I want to know why you would use it as in what is the reason for doing that?
jagged pier
as it says
it casts sheidl slam when it resets if u press IP at the same time
it saves u needing to also press SS in that instance
sudden lynx
Is there a big problem with people not researching questions in advance or something hahah
small steeple
There is a difference to explaining what it does and why you should use it.
sudden lynx
Seems like a disproportionate response
small steeple
I wanted to know why
sudden lynx
There is a difference to explaining *what* it does and *why* you should use it.
It just reduces buttons, you dont need it
small steeple
It just reduces buttons, you dont need it
it doesn't though? same number of key binds
sudden lynx
No like buttons you need to press while playing
So instead of hitting IP and SS back to back you just hit that macro once I think
sweet summit
it's just to make it easier to snipe ss resets simple as that
lime mantle
I don't like using it, I am pretty sure it's for convenience sake not a thing you must use, like say those vanilla cancelform macros for druid
Or macro'ing start attack to most abilities :`)
sudden lynx
Yeah I think you should skip most macros that "help your rotation" if you get me
At least when learning
heady sigil
In Arakara, when you go left before last boss, what do you do when you are supposed to run and have an insane amount of slow? I cna manage it with leap once, what up after?
smoky anvil
How important would you guys say that damage is for a tank? I always try to maxi...
Can only speak for myself, I’m 2.7k. I take tank dmg very seriously. Shit lives so long every lick of dam helps. Obv I’m not sacking my survivability, but there’s also an element of dam = threat, and the lads need to be able to bang for you to clear shit.
sweet summit
In Arakara, when you go left before last boss, what do you do when you are suppo...
intervene
sudden lynx
Can only speak for myself, I’m 2.7k. I take tank dmg very seriously. Shit lives ...
Yh thats what im thinking as well
lime mantle
In Arakara, when you go left before last boss, what do you do when you are suppo...
avatar purges the slow
smoky anvil
In Arakara, when you go left before last boss, what do you do when you are suppo...
Vene, avatar if you’ve got it up (can save it) can get freedom, monk tiger thing, jet stream totem.
sudden lynx
im 2k myself but my buddy is like 3k on multiple toons
sudden lynx
In Arakara, when you go left before last boss, what do you do when you are suppo...
Can you not leap basically the whole thing
smoky anvil
Can you not leap basically the whole thing
Depends on key level and dam. Mobs live long enough that leap will be cd.
heady sigil
Just timed a 10, but we died there once because of me
somber cloud
Hey, it's my first tank toon and I want to do raid finder and normal raid etc, i...
I personally add sound effects to the abilities that I want to monitor (in plater). That way I also can keep tabs while targeting other things like spiders on broodtwister and silken court.
sudden lynx
Also does everyone just opt out of ravager to take bsv? That's what makes the most sense to me but it feels bad to miss out on ravager
sweet summit
everyone? no
sudden lynx
In the cases where one takes bsv I mean
sweet summit
top pushes ye maybe
smoky anvil
You drop ravager for BSV. You only take BSV if you genuinely push big keys.
Anything 12 and below these days doesn’t need it, at least ime.
sudden lynx
I feel like I'm getting crazy value out of it in pugs though, mainly to cover others' mistakes like a dps butt pulling
I'm taking it in 6's atp lmao bc it just saves runs with not great players
smoky anvil
I can only speak for myself, and I’d say my dying is rarely our problem in keys.
sudden lynx
Same tbh, haven't really died the times I've taken ravager either
Maybe I just notice bsv value more when I take it because you obviously see the proc, while rage generation from ravager is a bit harder to see in post
sudden lynx
I am, but people just kind of run around
jagged pier
logs would be good
sudden lynx
One big one is the bit in ara kara between the first and second boss
After the bridge, where you take one stationary pack and a patrol
And people just pull the whole side of that area
Bc they like blinked wrong or something
hoary pivot
Maybe I just notice bsv value more when I take it because you obviously see the ...
You should see the Rage in healing, damage and uptime of avatar, SW and demo shout.
sudden lynx
I actually might have that recorded I can check when I get home
sudden lynx
You should see the Rage in healing, damage and uptime of avatar, SW and demo sho...
Ooo I'll try looking at it there ty
hoary pivot
Also this
hoary pivot
u must not be pressing stuff
^
Using defensives early in bigger pulls is important. SW can ahve a pretty nice uptime if you are not sitting on it too much.
gusty saffron
Noobie question, are we "forced" to go into deffensive stasnce usually in dugneons or should we rotate it to do dmg?
smoky anvil
Can just sit in def and be fine
jagged pier
u loose literally nothing to be in d stance
sudden lynx
logs would be good
Ok I found an ara-kara log where its not the one I was thinking of before that I have a recording of, but I THINK the same thing happened there
Want me to post it here or in the log review thread?
For cohesion
jagged pier
heres fine
sweet summit
you're getting hit in the back
jagged pier
your just not pressing buttons
sudden lynx
? Should I be hitting something more often
I usually just go after how much damage I'm taking
For defensives
jagged pier
u should be pressing stuff before that damage
hoary pivot
I usually just go after how much damage I'm taking
but then it might already be too late
hoary pivot
predict the damage you will be taking and press your defensives beforehand
jagged pier
when u should have pressed it before lgoing low
looks like a melee in the back thats whats caused it
but
if someone but pulls
and u have to take backshots
press SW to gather
not when its too late
sweet summit
pressing cds after is better than never but before is infinitely better 
odd summit
tried intervening the corrupt from the trash mobs at the end of GB, but doesn't seem to do anything? am I doing something wrong or does that just not work
sweet summit
you just intervene for storm shield
sudden lynx
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JD7akZwhc2QLqPpf#fight=2&type=auras&target=3 So I compared my log to this random high ranked ara kara 7, and it looks like we have similar amounts of CD activations
Is it more a matter of WHEN they are used then?
odd summit
anyone happen to have done the math on how much of a dps loss it is not to take violent outburst?
toxic gyro
anyone happen to have done the math on how much of a dps loss it is not to take ...
Just sim it.
jagged pier
👋
sweet summit
Is it more a matter of WHEN they are used then?
the only "oh shit" button we have is last stand and last stand really stinks. other than that we are basically fully PROACTIVE which means using things before the big hit(s) happens to reduce the damage we take
i think jakey was also commenting on the fact that you only have 58.5 casts per minute which is low. but you only have like 8k haste which is also low, compared to my 20k haste and 76 casts per minute (also ara kara). as an example i had 100 more shield slam casts than you and you were in the dungeon for 5 more minutes
pallid quiver
u loose literally nothing to be in d stance
Excuse me, I lose my 3% crit, thanks
sweet summit
gm (16.27 btw)
wicked pollen
everyday number goes up
sweet summit
dr squatch
wicked pollen
erga which hero talent hav eyou been playing more
sweet summit
thane
wicked pollen
just pref or gotten used to it
sweet summit
i like clapping and slapping
regal yarrow
how did you take so much damage from so few unblocked hits in that dawnbreaker
wicked pollen
uh
vague badge
was the radiant echo bug fixed?
wicked pollen
idk i just play the game
sudden lynx
the only "oh shit" button we have is last stand and last stand really stinks. ot...
Yeah idk im hitting ss tb etc on cd, could just be 1) low haste, 2) we had a fair bit of downtime between pulls or 3) a mixture of both
wicked pollen
im pretty sure my number of hits blocked is low
sudden lynx
Yeah idk im hitting ss tb etc on cd, could just be 1) low haste, 2) we had a fai...
Also im just grabbing stuff based on ilvl rather than substats so my haste is rng atm
sweet summit
wicked pollen
weird
how come i can pull the entire courtyard in db and not die without bsv
🙂
slight incident
wicked pollen
let me check what did the most damage to me there
strong forum
And aside from Umbral Rush and tacticians there's no tank dmg
sudden lynx
sounds like you should play hr
Yeah I am, I have 100% uptime in pulls
sudden lynx
or, was in that log at least
Yeah I basically always am until I hit 40k haste, no exceptions
sweet summit
that's a large number
sweet summit
block it 4heed
wicked pollen
it seems
i did not press spell block
🙂
no i did
towards the end
xd
i think i used it for boss before
slight incident
colo cpm should be a lot lower than thane correct?
wet bone
so I had a pretty crappy vault this week, but I'm trying to decide if I should take the mythic shoulders in my vault because I can juice them higher. I'm not super excited about the mastery, and I's be at 5 pieces of set. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/clievage
naive flicker
hi huys, would u take myth track (crit haste) shoulders or myth track wrists (haste versa) with leech?
violet ginkgo
shoulders
wet bone
shoulders
violet ginkgo
when you fully upgrade you will get more stat compared to myth wrist
naive flicker
but wrists are bis stats no?
violet ginkgo
where did you get that info though?
solid cargo
More stats>less stats
strong forum
Yeah but shoulders have way bigger stat budget than wrists
sweet summit
they have like 500 leech (0.5%)
naive flicker
hmmm
violet ginkgo
well we all love leech
naive flicker
but still the shoulders cuz more stats overall?
solid cargo
Leech might make them better yea.
strong forum
That's up to your now ott
sweet summit
i'd take leech but idk if that means it is the optimal play fwiw
solid cargo
Very valuable in keys.
opal wave
should i go for more mastery ?
naive flicker
okay thank u guys for the info and quick respons ❤️
wicked pollen
should i go for more mastery ?
sim yourself 🙂
violet ginkgo
should i go for more mastery ?
can you go with more haste?
wicked pollen
yes
sudden lynx
I'd like a clarification regarding the pinned message about vault rewards per spec:
I realise that both fury and arms give good chance to give a dps trinket from what I'm reading, but does arms spec provide a higher chance to get a dps trinket somehow?
sweet summit
yeah because no 1 handers on the table
sudden lynx
Im asking because the possible good rewards listed are 2h/trinket for arms, but 1h/2h/trinket for fury
sudden lynx
yeah because no 1 handers on the table
Right great I understood correctly then
Am I then also correct in thinking that your spec doesnt affect your chance of getting certain gear slots other than the ones listed? I.e. no one spec has a higher chance of getting rings or hands or smth than another
Basically, does spec choice when looting vault only matter for the listed slots
sweet summit
idk afaik all items have equal chance of appearing in the vault, some loot specs just remove some items from that loot table
sudden lynx
Gotcha
I've just been full sending prot since I started so this whole idea of going different loot specs is kinda new to me
sweet summit
i got my shield this week so my loot spec is locked to arms for a good while now
sudden lynx
Nice, I'm just trying to max my chances to get the mf sacbrood
sudden lynx
Rip
heavy sparrow
should i go for more mastery ?
Less mastery more haste
manic perch
or
oblique garnet
Trinket
wintry gate
boys, rn I’m at 623, 2565 io lvl.
Everything +10 except CoT (+8)
Is it time to try 11s?
wet bone
yes
toxic pewter
11.0.7 POWERFUL RING COMIN AGAIN LOL
3 SOCKETS COLLECT DIFFERENT GEMS FOR IT IN NEW ZONE
manic perch
ty
knotty light
inland raft
3 SOCKETS COLLECT DIFFERENT GEMS FOR IT IN NEW ZONE
I just see a ring is mentioned, where do you see its a repeat of the whole special gems again?
molten gorge
11s should be easy at 623 ya
the big jump is 11 to 12
and they smoothed that out alot now even
toxic pewter
I just see a ring is mentioned, where do you see its a repeat of the whole speci...
mentioned it in the video
swift veldt
Just asking out of curiosity but how much colossus st is better then thane? I've geared my war so i feel safe and decided to try colossi for today's hc
simple bloom
If I'm fresh 80 and got the enchanted crest from the quest, is the best thing I can do just craft a 619 shield with it?
simple bloom
Is there a formula somewhere how block stat on shield scales for our defense? I just see "number go up" but I can't gauge how valuable it is lmao
toxic pewter
number go up
toxic pewter
lol
pallid reef
for Queen, whats the most optimal raid comp? 2/2/6 seem like slower kills/disproportionate amount of raid wide damage, kills but 2/4/14 seems like too much room for error? keep getitng into groups with 8/8h tanks dying to feast, which I don't see often in 2/2/6
sweet summit
Is there a formula somewhere how block stat on shield scales for our defense? I ...
block/(block+K)
simple bloom
block/(block+K)
ty
violet ginkgo
Not sure, so far I know warrior is just fine vs liquify and feast, but of course healer need to heal the feast absorb.
chilly brook
New Onyx Annulet in 11.0.7 bois
dusky canopy
sweet summit
stinky no?
chilly brook
stinky no?
I liked the ring tbh
It wasn't particularly hard to get and it did big dam
But then again I like it when they do "create you own gear" items like the trinket from mechagon etc.
stuck basin
hated this ring in df - so much less secondarys and need to use it over 20 ilvl higher rings from next patch for way too long
chilly brook
hated this ring in df - so much less secondarys and need to use it over 20 ilvl ...
ya'll worry about secondary stats way too much
yeah
bad
very bad
green quiver
Hey guys, I couldn't find any specific information regarding Spell Block ability. Does anyone know where in the current season (specifically M+) i can get the most value out of it? I saw that in scenarios where spell reflect is good, spell block seem not to work. Can anyone please give me some insights? Thanks in advance
violet ginkgo
Hey guys, I couldn't find any specific information regarding Spell Block ability...
But it’s in the pinned?
sweet summit
that's the only cloak with haste from dungeons 
sweet summit
Hey guys, I couldn't find any specific information regarding Spell Block ability...
reflect sheet has it included too
stuck basin
ya'll worry about secondary stats way too much
definite true - still dont want to give up 3k haste right now - lets get a special wrist or something instead 😅
sweet summit
yeah probably idk i don't raid
and seeing how you didn't include raid slots i assumed you don't either
lofty warren
Why blizz has a hotfix or patch like every other day?
sweet summit
the game is bad
tender reef
Yes cape or hands
If you have a chance to get the raid cloak in myth track, and no myth Hans yet take the hands
jagged pier
the game is bad
based
lament zealot
Has anyone ran a dungeon with naglering? Is it doing worth it damage?
cyan bronze
Hey guys I heard plunderstorm was coming back will prot warrior still be meta in that game mode
sweet summit
hypothetically if only have crafted jewellery to add an embellishment on, do i just grab lens?
deft mortar
got siege of boralus +13 lol
violet ginkgo
nice
jolly lagoon
at what haste level do we start to use into the fray in m+?
jolly lagoon
close:
blazing condor
unbuffed that is
jolly lagoon
yeah
urban lotus
jaunty rune
Does anyone know if you can Intervene the initial damage from Void Shredders on the Nexus-Princess Ky'veza fight?
knotty idol
Yo what spec should I open vault as if I already have a myth 1 hand weapon and myth shield?
cyan bronze
does anyone know if chain weaver (delve aass trinket) works
@one point the aass didnt work
keen path
hi, i see the top tank going haste/vers, is it the way or us people go haste/crit ?
stuck basin
Yo what spec should I open vault as if I already have a myth 1 hand weapon and m...
arms if you dont want a tank trinket
bitter zealot
hi, i see the top tank going haste/vers, is it the way or us people go haste/cri...
Vers doesn't matter much imo unless you doing super high keys. I got like 4% vers and have no problems on 10s
keen path
ok, om doing 12 to 13 so its the same i think
grave flower
12/13s are high keys
bitter zealot
12s from what I heard are way harder then 10s so you may want that vers haha 10s are my ceiling have no interest in going higher
lament zealot
I'm doing 12's as colosuss with 4% verse. It's doable
south zealot
hi, i see the top tank going haste/vers, is it the way or us people go haste/cri...
you want some crit and vers
ignoring one for the other is bad
just get a lot of haste thats all that matters
jagged gust
If you're doing 20s and are worried about getting 1 shot by an unkicked shadowbolt, vers will make you take 99% of your HP instead of 100
pastel geyser
u guys running dusk or dawn thread lining? for who dont run crafted wep
jagged gust
Whatever sims better, I have more Crit than vers, so I go dusk
pastel geyser
well i have a shitton more vers than crit, i went for all vers :D
grave flower
If you're doing 20s and are worried about getting 1 shot by an unkicked shadowbo...
Pfft spell reflect
violet ginkgo
dawn all the way william
jagged gust
well i have a shitton more vers than crit, i went for all vers :D
Then in all likelihood dawn will sim better
But run a sim to be sure
grave flower
I'm doing 12's as colosuss with 4% verse. It's doable
Do you find colossus more comfy than thane at those levels?
jagged gust
Absolutely not, but you don't need the extra dr from thane until you do
pallid reef
if you were still progging heroic queen, would you be thane or colossus? Purely pugging AoTC on my warrior alt (have AoTC on my healer), and even in AoTC-only groups its a joy wiping constantly in p1. Would like to make it as easy as possible from my end
strong fox
Thane all day
jagged gust
We're quite good at mitigating queens damage, you can run with either, but yeah thane has more passive defensiveness, makes pugs go easier
eternal marlin
if taking into the frey talent puts me at 40% haste is that good enough to stick with it? or should i look at getting 40% before the talent?
jagged gust
35% before itf
pallid reef
Thanks @strong fox and @jagged gust
violet ginkgo
if you were still progging heroic queen, would you be thane or colossus? Purely ...
I go for thane because well if you proc thunderblast during root it's nice too cleave it.
plus can always intervene someone for extra shield.
jagged gust
Thanks <@372555203129638932> and <@250038096031121419>
AH, AH, AH
pallid reef
yeah makes sense, the thunderblast during roots are nice. I'll stick Thane then
just ready to be done pugging Queen 🫠
violet ginkgo
well unlikely you gonna be rooted because you can spell reflect the root but still nice to help your teammate
cyan bronze
looking @spare meat hook, trinket can crit from what i can tell testing; does it get influenced by spear increased crit dmg, or is champions might a whitelist?
jagged gust
Trinkets are influenced by vers for damage and your Crit chance from stats
cyan bronze
not the question, no
jagged gust
But it is the answer
cyan bronze
so champions might crit dmg doesn't affect trinket crits?
jagged gust
Talents/passives don't influence trinkets, much like avatar doesn't affect the overall damage of the trinket
Neither will spear
eternal marlin
how am i mean to keep SB up all the time with ITF? i dont quite get it as the CD is still longer
cyan bronze
ty
regal yarrow
Are you using shield charge to apply SB too?
jagged gust
how am i mean to keep SB up all the time with ITF? i dont quite get it as the CD...
That's why you need a minimum amount of haste before swapping, you need to never cap SB charges and use SC on cooldown. If you're at the minimum recommendation you'll have ~1second of downtime every minute or so because haste lowers the recharge time of SB, a few more % closes this gap quickly
eternal marlin
with 4 stacks of itf im at 49% haste
eternal marlin
guess i will just have to test it
lament zealot
Do you find colossus more comfy than thane at those levels?
I do yeah. But I haven't played thane much. Really enjoy colossus play style way more so I just stuck with it.
glad relic
Hey guys new here...please your advice...what would u pick?😵💫
already have brood on hero track
grave flower
I think anyone here will say to sim yourself.
ionic nimbus
you will shot yourself, when you dont take trinket and wont have it in the vault again, just sayin 😄
glad relic
well and playing only prot...forgot to mension
chilly brook
Vers doesn't matter much imo unless you doing super high keys. I got like 4% ver...
it doesn't even matter in "super high keys"
dense coral
Detachable Fang any good ?
chilly brook
hi, i see the top tank going haste/vers, is it the way or us people go haste/cri...
Everyone too focused on secondary stats
solid cargo
As long as you have good haste you're golden really.
sweet summit
what's the affix this week
ionic nimbus
Despell
sweet summit
epic
ionic nimbus
so instead of on shaman, you'll take restro and ele/enhanc for totem KEKW
strong fox
long flower
worth having impending victory on ur bars if u do m+ or raid?
sweet summit
ya
solid cargo
Could do priest+shaman too, have em alternate
solid cargo
worth having impending victory on ur bars if u do m+ or raid?
Absolutely.
Will save your life
ionic nimbus
worth having impending victory on ur bars if u do m+ or raid?
depends if u like your healer or not 😄
long flower
what about these https://i.imgur.com/rzmi6rq.png
solid cargo
Can use it like death strike on a buster you don't have mit for.
Hamstring very situational. No to the other two.
chilly brook
so instead of on shaman, you'll take restro and ele/enhanc for totem KEKW
had a shaman healer in a 10 last night complain that "no one was helping" with affix
long flower
prot so many buttons plz blizz 😭
toxic pewter
We have an appropriate amount of buttons
grave flower
I feel prot has less than DK and paladin
ionic nimbus
had a shaman healer in a 10 last night complain that "no one was helping" with a...
not taking totem is grief, but after nerf (2min CD) its not ready for every affix round
toxic pewter
Been seeing this a lot lately saying we have too many buttons
chilly brook
not taking totem is grief, but after nerf (2min CD) its not ready for every affi...
ye but myself and the ret had been pressing the button and the mage too
solid cargo
Def less than paladin. Not DK though I think.
chilly brook
bro was just cooked
ionic nimbus
ye but myself and the ret had been pressing the button and the mage too
meta class gamers ... never played shaman before this season seriously hehe
pala will always have a lot of keybinds due to utility shit like blessings
grave flower
Def less than paladin. Not DK though I think.
Maybe its just me panicking and trying to survive white hits at 12 keys as a bdk
solid cargo
DK does have more CDs now that I think about it, at least defensively.
grave flower
We use a lot of them just to get drw back off CD
Bonestorm and tombstone we just want to hit and not use as CDs like that but yeah, I think bdk just has a little more. Prot just feels smooth to me to play. I have been focusing on bdk this season though so im way off base most likely
south zealot
what about these https://i.imgur.com/rzmi6rq.png
don’t need these
chrome lance
We do not have too many buttons, buttons are good. 2 xpacs ago now (?) when they "streamlined" crap ... we had FAR too FEW buttons. I was going crazy.
south zealot
dragonflight was a perfect amount of buttons for a lot of classes
grave flower
We’re able to hit what buttons we have, a lot and that can feel like a lot but we don’t have as many answers to things I feel. My lens is only prot paladin, bdk, and warrior
south zealot
some too few and some too many
solid cargo
I like paladin even though there's buttons everywhere it still feels smooth to play
And unless you're a try hard Andy the utility can be ignored like almost every Prot I've ran with ever below like 2800 rating
tardy abyss
12s from what I heard are way harder then 10s so you may want that vers haha 10s...
Besides the fact you dont need it, it wouldnt make a difference
dusk bramble
Probably a dumb question, but is Devastate embedded in another ability or what? Because um talented into it but i dont see what it becomes a passive of
round pendant
12s from what I heard are way harder then 10s so you may want that vers haha 10s...
11s aren't much harder than 10s
give em a shot if you get an 11 key
if you fail oh well back to 10
bitter zealot
I thought about it but pugs stress me out. The 10s were annoying as is XD
pastel summit
Probably a dumb question, but is Devastate embedded in another ability or what? ...
Devastator
buoyant lintel
Probably a dumb question, but is Devastate embedded in another ability or what? ...
Your autos
dusk bramble
Ok ty
round pendant
dude
I just can't get a dawnbreaker group where people don't just grief like fuck on the 3rd miniboss
smoky anvil
I just can't get a dawnbreaker group where people don't just grief like fuck on ...
People like going balls to the wall on it a lil too much. XD
bitter zealot
Most dawnbreaker groups i been apart off can't even do first boss let alone make it to 3rd mini boss, but when we do and they aim the ball at the closest wall its "what happened"
buoyant lintel
It's actually baffling how far some people can get without learning certain mechanics
sweet summit
to be fair 3rd miniboss is kinda cringe
bitter zealot
Dawnbreaker has in my experience been the dungeon most pugs don't understand
hallow stream
Did anyone try demolish since the buff?
smoky anvil
Dawnbreaker has in my experience been the dungeon most pugs don't understand
Easiest dungeon if people know what’s up
It’s my favorite of the season.
bitter zealot
I have had multi runs where no one will grab bombs to throw at the last boss.... and don't understand i can't go get them
hallow stream
I am critting 5 mil with it. Any inputs?
smoky anvil
I have had multi runs where no one will grab bombs to throw at the last boss.......
Lusting last boss p1 🙂
buoyant lintel
Doesn't the dmg actually help p2 tho
P2 will be shorter
Though half your time is running to get bombs
bitter zealot
"Boss has no tank mechs just go help with the bombs"
sweet summit
actually real
buoyant lintel
I learned the hard way not to help the DPS with the bombs
vestal cove
how are you tanking amarth on tyran weeks? with the adds i cant get round to aggro them before they kill us 😦
hallow stream
I use 2 orbs for that pull
sweet summit
idk i just tell my dk to grip and he grips
bitter zealot
First wave never seems to be an issue then I make sure to have 3 orbs for the next 3 coming waves and hope the dps hits hard enough that there isn't another wave
hallow stream
Also you tank him in the corner
As you go up the stairs to the far left
Have ur group stand there
Then the adds spawn close to you
And u spear and lust
hallow stream
Put a blue ground marker and tell them to stand there
bitter zealot
And lust on 3rd boss imo is better
hallow stream
If u lust 2nd u can also lust 4tg
ebon sparrow
what should i do i got shit trinkets, but i guess cloak is BIS in all
bitter zealot
Those are easy bosses tho that shouldnt be an issue your dps should he doing plenty of dmg for lust not to matter
hallow stream
If u dont have mythic helm get the head and tier it
bitter zealot
3rd boss killing him the first time he comes down is a time saver
hallow stream
Maybe
bitter zealot
Also a pug killer for sure. Orbs make the 2nd boss not a real issue
upbeat plover
Is Nagelring on heroic worth?
stuck basin
i tend to talent aoe kick in nw - very useful on various pulls and also for amarth big help if you have no dk - aoe taunt first wave orb second and 3rd you got disrupting shout rdy again
or you can cc the casters when they spawn far enough - shackle undead para trap etc..
smoky anvil
And lust on 3rd boss imo is better
After nerfs we send lust on big 1st pull, 2nd boss, 4th. 3rd seems to be a 2 phase for us no matter if we lust or not so meh.
bitter zealot
After nerfs we send lust on big 1st pull, 2nd boss, 4th. 3rd seems to be a 2 pha...
In pugs? I never seen the 3rd boss done right if we don't kill it in one go
exotic summit
is this any good ?
bitter zealot
Actually kinda same with first boss on tyrannical without lust. People just die
sweet summit
in NW? there's nothing do tie to unless you deliberately tank the worms for forever
bitter zealot
in NW? there's nothing do tie to unless you deliberately tank the worms for fore...
They let the worms hit them
sweet summit
that's insane
bitter zealot
Happens alot in the pugs I seen. It's one of the reasons NW is a last resort dung I don't wanna go in there
Nw and dawn
chilly brook
In pugs? I never seen the 3rd boss done right if we don't kill it in one go
bro the amount of times people break my fucking paralysis on purpose >.>
tribal wharf
if i had about 10k it would cover all the TWB i need
marsh stone
Tankian, great name
tribal wharf
do i have to wait for legion TW again to get that mount, since i have 5k
i would like to buy 2 mounts if i can
chilly brook
Like it's insane that people don't know that you can just CC a mage on 2nd boss of NW and you don't need to kill it
tribal wharf
if you kick it with a spell lock it does nothing but slaps you
those skeletons should die so easily anywas
bitter zealot
bro the amount of times people break my fucking paralysis on purpose >.>
Because they would have to think rather than pew pew
Tanking as made me dislike 90% of dps pugs and made me rethink how I played as a dps.
regal yarrow
Tanking has done the opposite for me. It feels like I can carry the group, and anytime I try to DPS now the tank makes it feel like hell
neon elk
U can "carry" much less than in df as tank . But since u are responsible for whole route pulls etc yea, u can make it way easier or safer than any other tank, or it at least looks that way to you
chilly brook
tanks drive me nuts
pull 2 mobs when I have dragon rage or don't grab more while I still have a good amount of it left
long flower
recommended ilvl for m0s?
neon elk
Whatever u have , like 580 is good enough
wicked pollen
you can do 5s at 564
chilly brook
you could do it in like 550
wicked pollen
ilevel is fake news
neon elk
Yea idk what is like base ilvl when u hit 80
chilly brook
no'
neon elk
Realy? Is it that low ? Xd
chilly brook
no
long flower
Whatever u have , like 580 is good enough
only good anwser
wicked pollen
i was leveling tw so i dont know
chilly brook
you're going to be like 530-550 at 80
neon elk
Yea so like 550, if u arent new and this is alt u can pick up bunch of reputations items , or u could spend like 3-5k in AH to go like 567(?) Or whatever those items are
And from there u can do whatever u want realy , especialy now where u most likely will have at least somehow geared people in dung just nuking everything
strong forum
yeah
neon elk
Do u guys split somehow that arakara first pull ? Or dismount somehow early and go slowly ? Because for some reason i aleays have some dead dps there and im not sure what would be easiest fix ( pugs)
neon elk
Yea gotta try that , ty
bitter zealot
Yea gotta try that , ty
If pugging maybe tell your group before key. If you don't they may stay at the stairs while you go to mini boss alone
frigid dagger
I was lookingat external healing required for an 11 siege I just did and the overall said 165k.. im 610 right now and was curious what kinda ehrps yall are typically seeing for keys?
ig im asking bc 165k seemed pretty darn good but I also am fairly new to tanking so I dont really have context
round pendant
how is a mistweaver monk supposed to heal 2nd boss of dawnbreaker
should I be running away from the boss with my big purple circle?
so he can be in melee range of the boss + group to heal them
+11 btw
neon elk
I always run there from boss , feels like better choice so group can stay and do their thing
Same as city last boss
smoky anvil
I always back up a lil bit. You don’t have to go super far. Just give them a bit of space, pop up SR and another def and charge back the second you get the YEET.
heavy sparrow
Thoughts on the revenge doing 25% more damage or 20% chance to throw axes at 3 other enemies.
smoky anvil
One costs rage and make rage starve more, other free aoe dam.
heavy sparrow
Lmao that's true
Damage wise, I guess I'll have to sim it since rage isn't an issue so far
tribal wharf
turns out last boss full heals if you dont deposit the debuff
perfect for when i dont have leap
stone vault
fast drum
Mountain thane or colossus?
blazing condor
thane gang
tropic tangle
what should i do i got shit trinkets, but i guess cloak is BIS in all
cloak is not bis unless it's mythic
you're better off with a 636 crafted cloak than heroic rash cloak
jagged gust
Damage wise, I guess I'll have to sim it since rage isn't an issue so far
It will be. Sometimes you have to revenge several times in a row to get a SS proc, and suddenly that rage you have pooled isn't quite enough and you're sitting on your thumb waiting for CDs
waxen orbit
Broke past ELO hell
Queued with good players
Doing 13s/14s now
Legit just teammate diff
I'm actually having fun playing the game again
green trench
I dont do mythic, but do mythic plus. is a 639 cloak better than the winged?
waxen orbit
Yes
wild chasm
What is your source for routes? I want to try getting more serious about tanking, because it’s hard to get in as fury, so having good routes for +12 would be great
waxen orbit
I make my own
prisma echo
Guys am i reading corectly that on ara ara on first boss when spider use puddles i can just spell block and stay in place?
or i will get hitted by dmg
same with lass boss pull?
lunar scarab
do you guys take bitter immunity this week to help with dispels in pugs?
lunar scarab
Yeah, i use that every time i dont have stoneform. It never breaks the heal absorb but does a good job removing a big chunk. you just tell ur healer to heal you and dispell others then?
waxen orbit
Usually that and any aoe heal will be enough
cyan vector
Hey guys! Quick question — does this Naglering ring from BRD make sense at all for a tank? Has anyone tested it?
Or is the significant loss of secondary stats just not worth it?
tranquil socket
Do I go with the hero rare neck and craft a 636 ring or
craft 636 neck and pick up the myth belt or ring?
smoky anvil
Do I go with the hero rare neck and craft a 636 ring or
craft 636 neck and pic...
Neck is the single largest haste increase youre going to get in the season. It’s VR. Get it.
jagged gust
Hey guys! Quick question — does this **Naglering** ring from BRD make sense at a...
2ppm, not worth
smoky anvil
Only thing that replaces hero track neck is myth track neck. If your neck currently has no haste you’ll get something like 5-7% haste.
It’s giga nice.
To say nothing of its embellishment.
Cantrip. Whatever.
cyan vector
2ppm, not worth
got it, thx!
cyan bronze
why do we take indomitable in raid build(outside of living)
is battering ram not more dmg
urban portal
not much more damage
chilly brook
This is the weirdest fucking season man
urban portal
they gutted ram sometime in df
inner wren
making alts is ass
jagged gust
Constant DCs, unbelievable lag, bosses completely breaking, locking people in to combat and not dropping loot, desynchronized aoe particles vs when the damage actually occurs
inner wren
sounds like youre talking about raid
chilly brook
There was always the "I'm qualified for this key but I'm not getting invites" prior to this season but it's like turned up to 11
long flower
what ilvl is ok/good for m0s?
chilly brook
And 70% of players are literal terrorists in your key
jagged gust
The middle part, yeah, but I've had the desync'ed aoes, lag, dc's and boss abilities simply not happen in dungeons as well
I did like when the second boss of mist just didn't cast abilities it telegraphed, that was a nice breather
buoyant lintel
what ilvl is ok/good for m0s?
if you are new ~580. a good player at 550 will be a stronger tank than a new player at 580 though
inner wren
The middle part, yeah, but I've had the desync'ed aoes, lag, dc's and boss abili...
i haven't had that at all
jagged gust
What a lucker
prime obsidian
Is there something that causes the first boss in DB to not follow me after the pools go out?
neon siren
worth upgrading for 606 on swarm? currently using 626 sacbrood and these are my other trink options
or just wait for heroic to finally drop
lilac basalt
for my warrior alt, if I have a hero 1/8 crit/haste shield, should I still craft a 619 one? is the embellishment worth it? or should I craft a weapon instead?
(I can't raid sadly, only doing m+'s)
waxen orbit
Can someone explain how the fuck to do this shit when you can't reliably set up an intervene target to get out every single time?
I'm using avatar to clear the slow, I'm using heroic leap to get out
I'm trying to use intervene but I reliably cannot get out every single time due to people not running out far enough
I'm walking as far as possible, kiting the little guys to ensure they can't hit me with the slow, and they still do
This is the ONLY pack in the entirety of Ara-kara giving me trouble -- and it hasn't given me trouble until I've hit 13/14
I don't know if the slow is buffed, or the application rate is, but I NEVER have this issue in 11 or 12
ONLY in 13 or 14
Does ANYONE have any advice?
neon elk
Not sure if it realy helps, but i pull the first few with first big caster ( idk his name )
smoky anvil
Jet stream totem, freedom, tiger thingy form monk
neon elk
Then i pull next 2 and i chain them into small ones, using charge to dodge stun , the avatar and leap is usualy enough
smoky anvil
Aka get some help from the boys
neon elk
If u cant get help from others ofc
waxen orbit
I'm just using legit everything and only when it's a 13
Do I run out of shit to escape
and I just get walked down
even as I run to kite it
Do I just stay out of melee range?
Like I even do that but
they seem to just
neon elk
Guess u cant or if u can it will be painful
neon elk
I just wouldnt pull it all together if i cant get* any reliable help from team
smoky anvil
If you’re getting worked pulling it all and don’t have help you’ve gotta split the pulls up. Or alternatively, provided you have it, rip a lust. Last boss if you’re competent should be fine lustless, and better to kill the trash faster than a boss.
If even with lust you’re dying then split it up.
Can’t bash your head into pulls that are untenable for your group.
2-4 deaths are reasonable in big keys provided they aren’t YOUR deaths.
If you die, it’s a wipe and it’s joever.
Are you just getting white swung to death or is it snares into swirly stun?
neon elk
Ye i get that
waxen orbit
I'm being told "just range them stay out of melee"
by my friend
but like I do that
and there's just not much room to kite it reliably
smoky anvil
If you’re not able to do it with vene/leap/avatar and your group has no outs for you, you can’t pull it as one.
neon elk
I mean, how many cycles of stun are u geting , cuz it shouldnt live longer than like 3-4 stuns
smoky anvil
Ya, is your dps not blasting?
waxen orbit
They for sure are
neon elk
And u have enough stuff yourself to always get out if u have like 3 stuns
smoky anvil
What your comp or are you pug life?
neon elk
What comp u runing?
waxen orbit
This is my one moment in any of these keys where the problem is unabashedly something I am doing wrong, no way to blame others, other than people positioning wrong for my intervene
smoky anvil
This is my one moment in any of these keys where the problem is unabashedly some...
Nah lmao
They stack you to 90%
Fast as fuck
neon elk
Yea even if u are lucky with parries ( which is still rng) u will get stacked fast
waxen orbit
Doing it with rogue, enhsham, [insert random dps], [insert random healer, usually rsham/evoker/priest]
smoky anvil
If you are out of outs, pack isn’t dead, and have no help from group?
That’s just a comp issue.
Shamans can jet stream totem you out
neon elk
Iirc both shaman and evoker can save you there
smoky anvil
Mine does it all the time
lone hearth
I need advice on crafting! right now i have duskthread lining on heroic everforged wrists and belt but i just got a mythic belt that id like to replace my crafted belt with so should i recraft my everforged shield with the duskthread lining or another embellisment or put the duskthread on a new crafted piece?
neon elk
Also random dps can help you too a lot of times , depends what it is
Or just simply tell your group , pick preferably someone from your premade , to always dodge a far so u can intervene
Anyway, that crafted ring thingy to save crests, does it still work?
lone hearth
I need advice on crafting! right now i have duskthread lining on heroic everforg...
bump
bleak breach
I run 1 of each. Pieces don’t really matter which one it’s on
neon elk
bump
Depends , what is your current shield, do u mm raid ? What are chances of u geting mythic shield anytime soon ? If low then go for shield as its bigest deffensive upgrade
Also depends how many spark u have, if u dont mythic raid can also craft shield ( for reasons above) and just slap embel on like boots or back and pretty much never replace it . Because even if u craft shield u eventualy would want to swap it for those extra 3ilvls
lone hearth
Depends , what is your current shield, do u mm raid ? What are chances of u g...
this is my shield, and i do mythic raid, we're 3 mythic bosses down now so not sure the chances of me getting a myth shield soon is
i do focus more on m+ tho
i saw most top prot warriors that i looked up on raider.io are going the ascendance embellishment which gives you primary stat if you dont move or whatever, but its not recommended on wowhead or any guides so im confuzzled
wicked pollen
i saw most top prot warriors that i looked up on raider.io are going the ascenda...
thats not how ascendance works
lone hearth
Well yeah that one, its good for us?
Should I put it on my shield instead of the verse embellishment?
neon elk
U cant do ascendance on shield
Also most people with ascendance have it because of raid . It isnt that good in m+ unless u play with premade and can plan realy good ahead and keep yourself in combat for a good amount of time
ebon abyss
which of those 2 you'd select asuming your current gear is total garbage?
smoky anvil
which of those 2 you'd select asuming your current gear is total garbage?
What’re their item levels and tracks and what are you currently wearing?
marsh stone
I'd say the ring as there are plenty more boots around, but personal experience has me still rocking champ boots...
neon elk
Arent those "best" boots tho ?
Realy hard to pick when we dont know his items ilvls/tracks
alpine grove
lunar scarab
What determines when we should switch heavy repercussions into the fray for m+? Is there a base haste value to hit or any other metric?
jovial saffron
Today i've had the worst chain of toxic people, are school closed tmrw?
scarlet stone
This is my one moment in any of these keys where the problem is unabashedly some...
It’s been mentioned a lot but between leap and avatar you should have FULL coverage, with intervene as backup that should also always be up and work no matter your comp. personally I just alternate vene and leap because I prefer not to lose avatar uptime. All 3 of these abilities that get you out of it have short enough cooldowns to be up for every other cast so you only need to rotate 2 out of 3 of them.
fast oracle
What determines when we should switch heavy repercussions into the fray for m+? ...
About 20,000 total haste is the break point. The main thing is whether you can keep shield block up without heavy repercussions
marble night
Hi, hope you are all doing well. This is my breakdown from a 10 GB i just did - feel like my damage is quite low. My damage in keys usually hovers around this and I've gotten all my 1's and moving into 11's now. Do you guys see any glaring issues?
fluid widget
why is Rashanan sometimes doing 2 Savage Wounds and sometimes doing 3?
smoky anvil
He’s already starting the fight wounded. He’s had a long day. Cut him some slack.
deft mortar
How can these guys be 2.7k+ but unable to kite SoB first boss to an explosive
waxen orbit
Oh you're in rat IO
That's hell right there
You can't pug your way out of it
Do not even try
I'm warning you, you will genuinely harm your mental health trying
Find literally anyone who can be a static player that you can rely on to be shit or good, it doesn't matter, just make sure they're consistent
and push with them
Do not fucking play with pugs at that IO
Ever
frosty mango
Drop your key to 8
Invite all the 3k+ players who apply
Make friends with the good ones
Get them to carry you past scrubland
???
Profit
frosty mango
I’m not even kidding
waxen orbit
People may say "That's not realistic"
That's the point
Get lucky
Or don't
Legit no way out other than that
marble night
Hi, hope you are all doing well. This is my breakdown from a 10 GB i just did - ...
Just realized this doesnt even show the overall lol. My overall was ~670k 😕
Any advice would be appreciated
copper heath
start of pulls, i feel super squishy, even dying through shield wall
what are the essential things i should check to ensure i'm pressing the right buttons
is it mostly just shield block + shield wall? demo shout early in pull?
deft mortar
start of pulls, i feel super squishy, even dying through shield wall
Do you make sure all the mobs stand in front of you so you can block and parry?
any back shots will hurt ya alot
marsh stone
Dying through shield wall means your healer is either out of range or terrible
Or you're really undergeared
As Agmius said, make sure they're in front of you, make use of shockwave to give yourself breathing room and keep up block and IP
bleak breach
any back shots will hurt ya alot
Life is really just about avoiding back shots isn’t it
violet ginkgo
Indeed
grizzled nova
start of pulls, i feel super squishy, even dying through shield wall
Make sure you're going in with shield block up, always charge the closest mob to you on the outside of the pack, not necessasrily the one you're going to be prioritizing in the pull.
copper heath
Or you're really undergeared
i'm 616 in 10s-11s. i think that should probably be OK. but i'm also playing colossus.
grizzled nova
Charging thru the pack to that caster you want to kick is an excellent way to get punched in the back 8 times;
copper heath
Make sure you're going in with shield block up, always charge the closest mob to...
when ip lay other tanks, I tend to walk around the pack to make them all face away from the healer (frontals + dps less movement)
pallid quiver
Colossus will make you notably less tanky, especially if not played well, due to the lowered rage gen and worse inherrent hero talent defensive ability
copper heath
should i jsut stay where the charge is and let everyone move around me
marsh stone
616 is heaps
pallid quiver
should i jsut stay where the charge is and let everyone move around me
You can still definitely rotate around; it's like a 180 degree arc that you block in
copper heath
Colossus will make you notably less tanky, especially if not played well, due to...
yeah i'm definitely thinking i'm not playing optimally. but its hard for me to reach the cpm needed to play thane well i think. so i'm gonna see what i can do with colossus
marsh stone
Charge, aggro, step backwards
Don't need to step back much. Roll defensives and then shockwave them when they're all nicely grouped up
Then go nuts
copper heath
is there an easy way to look through damage taken logs to see whether or not something hit me in the back?
sharp gale
Move a little bit backwards is really nice to do
copper heath
is there a haste breakpoint when you can swap from heavy repercussions to into the fray? (not sure if shield block cd is haste-affected) or is it just a skill diff talent change?
undone beacon
How many people took the dracthyr pill?
rain bone
Should I do anything differently with my gems?
I don't have gems on my neck piece yet, I'm waiting for a hero track neck.
On my ring I've got the diamond and the deadly emerald and on my other ring I've got a quick ruby and a versatile emerald ;o
Not sure what to put on my helmet and my belt I don't care about, I've got some stamina on it.
sharp gale
is there a haste breakpoint when you can swap from heavy repercussions to into t...
If the cd is in green on the tooltip of a spell it means it is affected by haste
copper heath
If the cd is in green on the tooltip of a spell it means it is affected by haste
thats what i was thinking. i knew SS was affected and the cd looked like SS's
scarlet stone
yeah i'm definitely thinking i'm not playing optimally. but its hard for me to r...
Mouse wheel.
sharp gale
thats what i was thinking. i knew SS was affected and the cd looked like SS's
And the haste breakpoint of ItF is when you can maintain Shield block without HR basically, around 35%+, you can flask haste if you have 35% if you are not sure
Like when the cd of SB is short enough to explain it more broadly
scarlet stone
The breakpoint for that is higher, but you supplement uptime with shield charge.
sharp gale
The breakpoint for that is higher, but you supplement uptime with shield charge.
Yes it was to make it clear what is the reason without too much, but yes it’s with shield charge in consideration if you take it ofc
copper heath
gotcha,s o sitting around 35% haste (post flask) allows 100% uptime of shield block through both SB and SC casts on cd
i'm a little bit less than that, but maybe that's fine cuz m+ has downtime between pulls?
sick helm
How many people took the dracthyr pill?
100%
Double jump has cucked me a few times though lol
undone beacon
100%
Double jump has cucked me a few times though lol
How so?
sick helm
Just being a thick noob jumping backwards and then hitting space twice and then going forwards into a pack lol
undone beacon
Oh lol, fair enough
I gotta test on the PTR to hear what their shouts sound like, I’m so used to my goblin screeches that it may annoy me
sick helm
Its decent, sorta reminds me of the Tauren shouts
scarlet thorn
Hey, local healer coming in to ask some tanks doing mythic Rasha'nan. During the cast of savage assault, does the tank swap happen during the first cast or does it need to happen after the cast in between the two casts of savage assault? My groups tanks look to be missing the swaps more than half the time and trying to figure out how to help them
toxic pewter
Best to taunt during the cast of savage assault
Boss casts on tank a, tank b taunts during cast, wound will be on tank a, tank b takes second assault
And basically just repeat
scarlet thorn
Thats how I envisioned it, its basically like the taunt swap from Larodar
tame jasper
The target is locked in at the beginning
toxic pewter
Thats how I envisioned it, its basically like the taunt swap from Larodar
Yeah similar to how can taunt during charge cast yea
scarlet thorn
They have been trying to swap after the cast, and have been missing it by comically small amounts (.05 seconds)
toxic pewter
Yeah it’s not reliable that way
If they use dbm it tells them to taunt after first cast so it’s not ideal
They have to use their brain slightly more than usual
Once they get the taunts though the boss is easy
scarlet thorn
Thanks again for confirming it, I appreciate it. I havent had a chance to get a tank going this season so I wasnt able to check for myself what the hell was going wrong
toxic pewter
Yeah, you’ll see improvement right away
scarlet thorn
And you could probably tell, but a blood dk taking double assault just before movement phase is really really stupidly hard to heal
toxic pewter
Yeah we had a vdh who kept dying then we got the taunts under control and it was smooth sailing
During movement phase not stepping on any green crap is crucial too
It helps a lot
That stuff hurts and adds up the dam people take
I listened for the boss’s audio queue for savage assault that helped me to realize taunt is needed
scarlet thorn
I was noticing that too, pretty cool that they added that nice audio queue
alpine edge
shield is big ye?
surreal bluff
is there a haste breakpoint where into the fray gets better the heavy repercussions?
sick helm
shield is big ye?
Better off crafting a shield I believe
minor forge
Could I tackle 7s or 8s as 590ish ilvl
Provided I get invites or run my own keys
sick helm
Provided you get dps that kick, yeah
zinc marten
guys do we use whetstone or oil
lean bramble
Does this trinket benefit for prot warrior?
Seem like nice to me or should I go city of echo trinket?
violet ginkgo
And you could probably tell, but a blood dk taking double assault just before mo...
Meanwhile prot war laughing in spellblock
trim hamlet
how do you guys feel about dracthyr race for the CCs on high keys
oblique quarry
I swapped but not for the racials. They are mostly mehhhh.
rain bone
When crafting gear, can you use both the Duskthread Lining and the Elemental Focusing Lens or only one?
lilac sedge
i wish there was a WA that showed my ignore pain stacked absorb and shield wall seconds
that would be so cool tbh
and if it could show my rage too
oh boy that would be so cool
ionic fern
trim hamlet
there are a lot of those WAs
lilac sedge
guys, any alternatives for routes WA? this one seems to not load at all for me
strong forum
oh boy that would be so cool
True, can't believe nobody did that before
strong forum
guys, any alternatives for routes WA? this one seems to not load at all for me
You're looking for weakauras, when the routes aren't weakauras
heavy sparrow
Looking for tank for 4/8 Mythic clear
lilac sedge
You're looking for weakauras, when the routes aren't weakauras
what are they
strong forum
Check the wago box, not WA specifically
heavy sparrow
we got a solid group of 629's, we just wiped at Ulgrax with 8m health left
lilac sedge
Check the wago box, not WA specifically
oh, thanks so much
i import on WA, right?
or how does this one works
heavy sparrow
raid is ready to go with lock summons
lilac sedge
or do i need wago addon
lilac sedge
oh yeah thanks so much i found results
but what addon do i need to import it into
i assume not WeakAura since its not a WA
strong forum
These are MDT imports
^
lilac sedge
yeah i never used it
strong forum
lilac sedge
i think thats why im a noob tank
does it like automatically tells me what to pull,etc
strong forum
No
rain bone
But usually you want to double up on either
Uhm, could you explain further please? :o
rain bone
On the same piece of gear?
rain bone
Ah so, for my shield for example, I use Duskthread Lining
And then for another piece, I use Duskthread Lining :o
strong forum
Yeh
strong forum
Yuh
lilac sedge
Nomer can i ask u smth
is this https://wago.io/MD_v3xG0r better than the normal WA that show rage,etc
or do i use both basically
strong forum
It's not "better" it's as basic as it gets
lilac sedge
thing is, i dont have an WA to show my rage
strong forum
It's just simple buff and absorb tracking
Rage bar tracking is also as basic as it gets
strong forum
Absolutely can
fast oracle
lilac sedge
rate after the change
strong forum
2 would be better
fast oracle
takes too long to read the numbers off an icon imo
I just need to see if it's high or low
lilac sedge
and i have personal power shown in options too
strong forum
takes too long to read the numbers off an icon imo
fast oracle
yeah. I usually disable the icon
just updated and haven't gotten around to it
same for the IP icon
strong forum
No
rain bone
You ideally want to recast right before it runs out.
strong forum
It stacks until 3x duration
fast oracle
there it is without them
the white tick on the SB bar tells me when it's a waste to fire off another
lilac sedge
It stacks until 3x duration
that explains why im always squishy.. i never stacked them
strong forum
Don't need to "time" your SBs
rain bone
But I recast if I've also used Shield Charge and I'm nearing 2 charges of SB.
rain bone
that explains why im always squishy.. i never stacked them
Well, don't just stack them willy nilly.
strong forum
Well, don't just stack them willy nilly.
You absolutely can
rain bone
Sure but those SB's are gonna be wasted if the pack ends.
lilac sedge
i mean, i usually chain pull in M+ so stacking would be good for me
burst down the caster, and pull to the other pack
gotta practice for MDI next year
fast oracle
by waste I mean the SB cast is for 8 seconds of SB, but you can only have 20 seconds of SB total
strong forum
24
fast oracle
so if you've just shield charged and SBd, there's no point firing another one straight away
24
you'll get less than a full charge out of it
lilac sedge
oh, guys i meant i was stacking SB not shield wall
i call shield block shield wall tbh xd
got them mixed up
rain bone
Shield Wall is a single use defensive.
lilac sedge
and i thought SB wasn't stackable
rain bone
Unless you've got the double charge talent.
lilac sedge
Shield Wall is a single use defensive.
yeah the 40% reduce damage, i dont stack it at all
yup i have 2x charge
lilac sedge
i meant i didnt know that SB timer could be stacked
rain bone
Yeah, it can.
rain bone
There's a talent that makes every Shield Slam (SS) give +1 second to SB.
lilac sedge
no wonder why it takes me 20mins to finish a +2
is this the best talent tree in the world?
strong forum
is this the best talent tree in the world?
Absolutely not
frozen cypress
I just macro SS > SB > IP > Trinket in that order and spam one button, double timed a +10 last night with a 99% SB uptime and never had an issue about dying (617 iLVL)
lilac sedge
i like bitter immunity tbh