protection

[tropic tangle]

that would be fun interaction with thunderblast charges / reset from avatar

[strong forum]

With tierset

In SL

Avatar gave you outburst

And spending rage aswell

So you had outburst every 10 seconds (if you played well)

It was glorious

[cyan bronze]

ohh

i see

i thought you meant avatar was munching violent outburst procs

[knotty light]

do tanks soak in Ulgrax for carnivorous contest ?

[cyan bronze]

poggers! my avatar did 200% damage!

[sharp gale]

That’s what I pray for when I play colossus : that revenge spam will proc outburst, it doesn’t : rage starve

[strong forum]

The flaw isn't with the sim, the flaw is you not understanding the fact that sending execute at any point of rage below 70 is a dps loss compared to sending it at only above 70

I tested the scenarios and different priorities of execute

And this one gave the most dmg

[cyan bronze]

nah this is p standard

[strong forum]

They can and should help yes

[cyan bronze]

sim likes weird resource breakpoints

vdh havoc bear all have it to some degree

[strong forum]

But only the one who isn't actively tanking obv

[sharp gale]

In mm they don’t you just sit and watch for 1-2 min

[knotty light]

mm as in mythic?

[strong forum]

I wouldn't either if I'm going for parses

[sharp gale]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yeh Fr*nch people call it MM for some reason

[cyan bronze]

mega mythic

[sharp gale]

Mode Mythique i guess

But heroic is HM

[strong forum]

Mystique Mode

Heroic mode normal mode?

[sharp gale]

Yes I just think it’s still english acronyms but we just prefer that version

Mythic mode

[toxic pewter]

mm is marksmanship hunter

in my head

[sharp gale]

Yes and SB ? spell block or shield block

[toxic pewter]

shield block

spb is spell block

SpB

[sharp gale]

Or a random dungeon acronym

SB what dungeon it would be

[cosmic canyon]

if you say so

[sharp gale]

Some just say sb and you figure out from context

[cosmic canyon]

I would argue any pwar having more than 70 rage is doing something wrong in the first place.

[sturdy quest]

Tank alt. Would you take heroic track haste/vers/speed weapon (Currently using champion track) or heroic set chest with +leech and craft a weapon?

[strong forum]

During execute you stop sending IP

On sim*

[sharp gale]

I usually spend at 50 but after the next rage gen gcd

[pastel geyser]

even in english ig its just mythic mode

why hc is sometimes hm as heroic mode

[strong forum]

So you will have plenty of rage to send into execute

HeroiC

[cosmic canyon]

on Sim, there we hav eit.

[pastel geyser]

or hard mode ig

[toxic pewter]

hm i see that and i think hard mode for some reason

[strong forum]

🙄

Ofc on sim

[pastel geyser]

cuz thats what it is

[strong forum]

We're talking about Sims

It's the max dps rotation to do so, ofc am I gonna write it like that

[sharp gale]

So Mythic raid acronym is MC in savage countries (countries other than France ofc) ?

[oblique garnet]

MC is molten core idk what the others have smoked

Or mindcontrol

[sharp gale]

Im asking because it’s true French people only says nm hm mm

[strong forum]

We just say M or mythic

[sharp gale]

M raid

[oblique garnet]

In non fr*nch countries its just N, H(C), M

[strong forum]

Ye

[sharp gale]

Im glad you censored yourself, you are not allowed to say it

[oblique garnet]

Only censor it to prevent spreading hate speech

[sharp gale]

Then Jeve when we are on discord : OUI OUI I EAT SNAILS I AM HAPPY CROISSANT

[oblique garnet]

Now thats just racist

[sharp gale]

I love it but I don’t know any racist thing to say back

Who care about dutch

They are just lesser Germans

[zinc lichen]

This is a very interesting conversation 🤔

[oblique garnet]

First time?

[sharp gale]

Thanks if you have some Dutch stereotypes or a screen of your vault to post, it’s the time

[zinc lichen]

Be gentle with me

[wooden spruce]

hi! i need some help; i just simmed and came up to this but im not convinced with the siphoning light. Im using Force of will 616 mainly for the vers as i dont have a better trinket yet but im thinking on picking up the token for a gem slot, need some advice
Stats are: 10 crit, 24 haste, 20/10 vers, 19 mastery

[strong forum]

Don't pick that trinket

It's literally dog ass

Your best bet is to go and farm ara kara, city of threads, stone vault or grin batol for trinkets

They have all fantastic trinkets

From those choices, you want either that ring or neck

[wooden spruce]

the neck was my second option but im using silken advisor heroic

[strong forum]

Both ancient dredger and emergancy key chain are excellent

[strong forum]

That neck sucks tho

0 haste

[sharp gale]

I would not take the trinket, you can farm the other one, the others options are : at least you will not need to farm a ring or a neck THAT soon

Since everything is in hero

[wooden spruce]

my rings are earthen with haste+vers and fuzzy molding halo with 3.6k haste and mastery so...neck it is

thanks 😄

[zinc lichen]

So, is colossus fun to play? Haven't touched it at all but might play around with it for fun.

[sharp gale]

And the neck is bis fury I think so at least you have that

[vague badge]

About violent outburst, if it’s ready but shield slam is on cooldown, do I wait for it to come back or just send it with TC?
Is it mostly about “in case you have SS and TC ready, use it with X in aoe / st” or is it “always use it with x in aoe / st”?

[sharp gale]

It is, I play colossus for vault filling mist 10s, just some rage downtime

[oblique garnet]

Ideally its better to wait for ss

[sweet summit]

was the details nickname unlocker nuked or something

[sharp gale]

What is that

[sweet summit]

a weak aura

[sharp gale]

To unlock details nickname ? Like it’s not only guild mates that see it ?

[sweet summit]

ya

[sharp gale]

Oh i need that

[vague badge]

And do we even stance dance or is it defensive only since it doesn’t have a downside?

[sweet summit]

technically it is optimal to do but fuck that

[lilac sedge]

is tanking +2s on a 480ilvl char good?

i didnt do it yet, its just a hypothetical question

[open bluff]

Considering you can’t even get into heroics at 480, I imagine +2s will be a little rough

[sharp gale]

The issue is being accepted or people not leaving when they see they have 10x your hp

Im doing nm leveling on my pal 72 at 280 ilvl that’s weird too

[lilac sedge]

for some reason im squishy while being 582 ilvl doing +2s

im not sure if im too low for m+ or im just bad

[sharp gale]

That’s weird my friend tanked a +8 at 590 but he is special I guess

[lilac sedge]

Impossible

[sharp gale]

He is rank 1 tank

[lilac sedge]

Kiratank?

[sharp gale]

No mordrim, I know him irl so I help him with his pal alt

[lilac sedge]

never heard of him

[blissful fox]

Does bitter immunity work against affix?

[sharp gale]

Because no one cares about brew

[zinc lichen]

Do you have logs?

[lilac sedge]

not sure what logs are, but i dont think so

[zinc lichen]

Then probably not lol

[sharp gale]

But to be more related on topic, you should be able to tank a +2 at 582, it’s a mm0 with a timer

[lilac sedge]

i mean i did time it, but it took the entire timing

timed it in the last 2 sec or so

i felt like a noob

i couldnt even look at my screen afterwards to check my rewards

thats how embarassed i was

[sharp gale]

But you struggled yourself or pug life ?

[zinc lichen]

Can only guess on why you feel squishy then. You can log your dungeon runs on warcraft logs and then look over the data on what you casted and when and see overcapping rage and check if you just went into a pull with no defensives up or without shield block up.

Stuff like that

[vestal edge]

did authority of the depths get nerfed? is the radiant one bettern ow?

[zinc lichen]

You shouldn't have to be playing perfect just to feel not squishy so there are probably some easy things you could fix about your gameplay imo

[static pumice]

i guess more experienced tank can tank on low ilvl because they know which mob hurts/have tanj buster, or kite-able etc

[lilac sedge]

i dont want to play perfectly tbh

i want to be perfect

lowkey if i kite, i'd survive more tbh

[static pumice]

i.e you doing stonevault but dont know about shadow claw, then yeah u prolly gonna feel squishy

[sharp gale]

My guess without logs is either shield block, routing, group’s fault, or back hits. You don’t need to def cd anything yet

Face tanking everything with shiedblock and ignore pain should be enough

[zinc lichen]

My brain is drawing a blank on the addon you use to log

[south zealot]

warcraftlogs

[sharp gale]

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

[zinc lichen]

Oh, thought the addon was different from the site lmao

[twilit turtle]

Hi folks please help me to choose so all hero is an upgrade for me

[plush tendon]

sim; all are temp upgrades

whatever will help you do higher content

[grizzled nova]

Download simulationcraft, open it with your vault open, paste into raidbots, pick based on the results and what you plan on crafting.

[heavy sparrow]

Which one should I pick?

[sharp gale]

Yes with crafting on the table, when you see the results of sim you should still think about what you plan for longer term

[grizzled nova]

Skarmorak shard lol

[twilit turtle]

Crafted sword and shield are better?

[sharp gale]

They are not bis but people do it to have ones sooner

[heavy sparrow]

I currently have

[grizzled nova]

Crafted at 636 they're fine and it lets you open you vault in arms.

[remote tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mitski-miyawaki-mitski-nobody-be-the-cowboy-magnifying-glass-gif-13023187

[sharp gale]

Basically they craft shield and weapon 636 because you could wait weeks before you get those 639 from vault

[heavy sparrow]

Sorry I'm checking vault on my phone lol

[grizzled nova]

Yeh skarmorak shard

Bind macro to ravager, forget it exists.

[heavy sparrow]

So apparently shard is B tier?

Sounds good to me

[sharp gale]

It’s dmg raid ST this list

[grizzled nova]

It's in a?

[plush tendon]

Shard is really good

[heavy sparrow]

Oh woops lmao

[plush tendon]

cause you can macro it to spear

[twilit turtle]

I Have bis 616 dancing sword on vault

[plush tendon]

for big damage burst

[sharp gale]

616 can’t be 639 sorry…

Every 8 dungeons (+8 timed) you do you will have the possibility to have a 636 crafted item

5 items

[heavy sparrow]

So why shard over transmitter that gives 13k STR

[blazing condor]

whats the consensus on thunder blast and outburst btw

[heavy sparrow]

Just generally interested

[grizzled nova]

Because movement minigame trinkets are always bad.

[heavy sparrow]

Dang

I guess cause it's bad for a tank when you have to constantly be in a parry mode

[sharp gale]

When as tank, turning your back for too long = your key is depleted, you don’t want movement mini games

[grizzled nova]

Skarmorak is also just more damage in both st and aoe.

But any trinket that makes you work for the effect with movement is like an auto nope for me, regardless of how good it is.

Half of wow is standing in the right place at the right time, I have precisely zero interest in playing simon says with a trinket for the buff while also doing mechanics.

[chilly brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755924725372551261/1300868829752197263/image.png?ex=67226801&is=67211681&hm=6b14a214f126a2cb70c491cdf6cda2dd71814244dfffc7d03104184b28d84ccd&

https://tenor.com/view/birdman-hand-rub-thinking-dance-gif-17449632

[heavy sparrow]

Piss off Mr heavy bags

Mad jelly

[sharp gale]

Mmmmh

[violet ginkgo]

so which one will you pick

[sharp gale]

Can I touch my screen to increase my luck for tomorrow ?

[violet ginkgo]

you can

[sharp gale]

The neck 200%

[violet ginkgo]

holy that neck adds a lot dps wth

[chilly brook]

It's weird playing monk now that they actually love haste lmao

[sharp gale]

Not tank tho ?

[chilly brook]

ye brm still hates it

[sharp gale]

Idk what they could do to fix brew stats

[heavy sparrow]

Actually you need the weak auras feet mod

[sharp gale]

2 are almost dead stats

[heavy sparrow]

For 5% increase in damage

[chilly brook]

Casual 33% haste no phial rn on WW

[sharp gale]

Don’t worry I raid as fury with prot gear, I have 40% haste it’s so useless lol, I try to get rid of all this haste

But I still have billion of haste

[chilly brook]

My evoker also got a Spymaster's hero track in vault

I'm actually juiced on loot luck today

[sharp gale]

I just have something I would like you to fill

https://did-my-husband-buy-bruto.com

[sharp gale]

You piece of shit liar

How could you have that good vaults then ?

[chilly brook]

Idk

Blizz just paying reparations for the shit rolls I've had in raid

[sharp gale]

Fuck now I want to find a way to increase my luck

[twilit turtle]

You right sir

[frail ibex]

This was a 12 overtime by a minute 24 seconds but the change today ig allowed it to be timed in game?

I didnt think it would change previous io

[sharp gale]

You have 90 more seconds today

[frail ibex]

I know

but

still

thats from yesterday

[sharp gale]

Maybe it’s retroactive

[frail ibex]

hm

Still mad at the dk that died to chill scythe

[chilly brook]

My score definitely went up on my monk guess it's retroactive

[fallow fern]

The belt has leech and good stats... do you guys think it worth to take over the myth pants since they can be converted later from any pants? Pants bigger upgrade now.. but future the leech is nice...

[frail ibex]

Yeah I saw that I was almost 2900 and was like tf

[gloomy silo]

Are you supposed to go above haste soft cap as prot war?

[grizzled nova]

Belt can also be cata'd into high haste, leech as a tertiary is so nerfed it's whatever.

[chilly brook]

yes

you don't give a f about caps

[gloomy silo]

By how much

[grizzled nova]

Belt leech will be like what 0.6% leech? Doing almost nothing.

[chilly brook]

keep stacking haste until robot man says not to

[chilly brook]

there's no point where it becomes bad

[vestal edge]

that vers feeel so nice thooo

[gloomy silo]

Yah what if u don’t have much vers

[fallow fern]

Really? So probably take pants then?

How did they nerf leech?

[chilly brook]

not worth sacrificing haste over

[sweet summit]

google placebo effect

[vestal edge]

imo besides ridiculous ilvl gains getting a big chunk of verse is the only thing that makes me feel "leveled up" in keys and stuff

[chilly brook]

placebo

[vestal edge]

yeah but that placebo is hittin

[sharp gale]

Would it be a nocebo if you think you don’t have enough vers

[heavy sparrow]

Do you need to time 10s in order to get the mythic vault rewards?

[chilly brook]

no just complete them

[vestal edge]

this is where u guys are wrong everything is the mind if i feel like im tankier then i am.

"but what does the sim thats tracking wrong shit every week say"

[sweet summit]

we live in a society

[vestal edge]

nah man that trink got a cooler name and makes me feel good so its better

[chilly brook]

wdym

[vestal edge]

that placebos are real

[chilly brook]

playing for damage is usually the optimal way to play anyways since your base rotation is the way to maximize your defensives

[sharp gale]

They are yes, that’s the point

[vestal edge]

they made up the word placebo to attribute it to psychology instead of embracing the idea that someones perception actually does change reality around them

[sweet summit]

me manifesting one bajillion dollars at my doorstep tomorrow morning

[chilly brook]

settle down mr ork

https://tenor.com/view/ork-alert-gif-13436775519370939873

[vestal edge]

you could but you dont actually believe its possible thats why its not

[sick current]

lol wtf is this? https://i.imgur.com/096kpFf.png do I take this?????

[chilly brook]

no

[vestal edge]

kek

[oblique garnet]

[chilly brook]

shit trinket

[mighty valley]

in some studies, placebos affected people even when they were told straight up "this is a placebo"

[sick current]

is it a finger or a dildo?!?!?! wtf

[vestal edge]

lmao just delete ur character with that vault bro

[sweet summit]

worse than the conditions of your workers

[vestal edge]

be like me turn off tank loot spec forever make ur 636 shield never think about it again

[grizzled nova]

I mean take whatever you feel better about, if you're mythic raiding and are confident you'll have access to myth pants again by all means take the belt.

[chilly brook]

👋

[vestal edge]

i guess rings arent realy worth crafting 636 bc they dont have strength?

[sweet summit]

i crafted a ring and i regret it 👍

[tribal wharf]

eh, whatever about ring i say

[sweet summit]

you don't even know where i live 🤨

[chilly brook]

Worth crafting because they save you a shit ton of crests

[oblique garnet]

Estonia

[vestal edge]

i crafted weapon shield and boots. got a myth track 1hander today so upgraded that. wish i could scrap the old weapon for the mats

[tribal wharf]

I GOT A RING IN THERE LAST NIGHT

[sharp gale]

You didn’t use the craft bug to have free upgrade on the other one ?

[tribal wharf]

there sure is alot of rings in wow

[oblique garnet]

Or wait were you norwegian

[chilly brook]

Craft with wrong stats equip in both slots, recraft with correct stats equip in both slots and then log out and back in

[sweet summit]

idk what this means

[chilly brook]

enjoy free upgrades on all rings up to 636

[sweet summit]

[vestal edge]

trueeee

i guess thats why we cant scrap crafted gear XD bc we could just free upgrade every slot

[sharp gale]

Basically you can have free upgrade on the other ring if you craft the ring (weird shit to do and Idk if it still works)

[chilly brook]

Honestly I hate this crafted gear system but not for reasons you think

[oblique garnet]

Ok then im for sure robbing you even if you have bazillion dollars at your door it would still be the poorest house in norway so shouldnt be too hard to find

[chilly brook]

it's absolutely stupid that it's an entire weeks worth of crests to craft one item

when you're time gated to begin with on crafts

[graceful kite]

Big true

[sweet summit]

AHAHAHAH
bold of you to assume i have a house

[graceful kite]

I actually only crafted myth weapon and hc shield

Cuz you have to spend to much

[sharp gale]

If you start fresh now, I think you should craft 5 items 636 tbh

[graceful kite]

Buy 5 types of mats order multiple times

[oblique garnet]

Ok so do i look for storage units or the one street with apartment buildings

[chilly brook]

sure after grinding 8-10s for about 20 hours straight

[graceful kite]

And it eats up your upgrades

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

you look for the most hot and sexy and cool person and follow them home (most likely me)

[sharp gale]

Not straight it’s just by the time you do the next 8 dungeons etc the cap will be so high but you have no myth track to spend since you only get 1 a week that requires 75 crest to upgrade

[plush tendon]

90 for a craft is criminal

even more criminal that you need 639 in all slots to get discounts for alts

like, legit, BiS gear isnt all 639 pieces blizz

[sharp gale]

Basically like the cap now is 720 ? You have 645 crests to fuck around with, that you will never be able to spend on myth track if you only m+

[oblique garnet]

That would mean you go outside

[dusty temple]

How long should I keep my 606 sacbrood? Is it still better than any other hero track trinket?

[sweet summit]

i actually do!! i'm quite a normal and well adjusted individual i swear

[chilly brook]

Pfp makes me think otherwise

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[violet ginkgo]

forever

[gilded remnant]

how worth is upgrading 636 crafted weapon to 639 weapon from vault? I had a bigger upgrade this week, but it was tempting for long term

[sweet summit]

cry about it

[chilly brook]

I'd rather cry about this tbh

[sharp gale]

Valorstone on alts are really awful

[chilly brook]

I'm trying to juice my evoker ASAP but I'm limited by these dumb things

[sweet summit]

evoker L

[chilly brook]

real

[chilly brook]

I'm a Dev enjoyer I swear

I only aug'd so I could rat my way into 10s at 604

now ya boi is 617 so that brain dead spec is dead to me

[sharp gale]

I hesitate on my second character between hunt mage and pal

[chilly brook]

Evoker is like the only ranged spec I find I enjoy rn

[sharp gale]

But ugly tho

[chilly brook]

real

wish they got the same treatment as dracthyr of any other class, I'd like to just stay in visage form

but w/e

[sharp gale]

I really love dev too but the looks… sorry

Even if they could visage all the time, still ugly asf

[vapid slate]

is there anything good thats worth doing blackrock depths for?

[sharp gale]

Wish they could visage to any race

[chilly brook]

wdym they're just blood elves lol

[sharp gale]

Yes belf are ugly as males

[chilly brook]

Like this ain't bad

and at least I get a better beard than regular blood elves

[sharp gale]

True

[chilly brook]

real

Actually real

Panda visage when

[sharp gale]

Just to say, I don’t care about lore, I wish every races could do every classes

[zinc lichen]

Should be able to visage to any race and borrow their racials.

[sharp gale]

Just let people play their fetish

[fiery gale]

Dracthyr is kinda cringe

[zinc lichen]

Gameplay wise or you hate scales?

[jagged gust]

they uggy

[fiery gale]

Yeah, skinni boi lizards

With wings

[sweet summit]

nah man hear me out

[zinc lichen]

They are literally male BE models and human female for any normal person.

[jagged gust]

they promised us dragons, and gave us newts

[chilly brook]

I just like the mobility and the gameplay loop is fun to me

sad that they hard capped dragon rage though 😦

oh and soar is cool

[vestal edge]

if they just let u combat in human form itd be alright

[fiery gale]

You actually need to use many dragon abilities now?

[chilly brook]

wdym?

[fiery gale]

Playing dracthyr

[chilly brook]

there wasn't much of your kit that you didn't use in DF

[vestal edge]

also why cant demonhunters soar

[chilly brook]

broken wings or something

idk

[chilly brook]

All of these get used

sleep walk kinda giga ngl

[fiery gale]

That’s aug or not? Or is that all dracrhyr

[chilly brook]

thats dev

[fiery gale]

Dev yeah

It’s evoker

[chilly brook]

both my dracthyr racials are bound

[fiery gale]

Dracthyr i mean the race

[chilly brook]

I mean as the race this is good

granted 3m cd for non evokers

[fiery gale]

Dude they are thrown so far

Way more than Druid typhoon

[fiery gale]

If that’s the ability

[chilly brook]

very useful on nippletwister

[vestal edge]

dracthyr rogues dont make no sense!!

[fiery gale]

Not sure but one knock yeets the mobs through whole dungeon

[sweet summit]

i've never seen one so they must be really good

[fiery gale]

Perma stealth

Can’t die if nobody sees you

[sweet summit]

if a tree falls in the forest with no one around to see it, what would the details death log say

[sick sentinel]

Same reason why Warlocks forgot how to cast metamorphosis.

[fiery gale]

Why do you assume somebody died from that?

[tribal wharf]

in real life
if a tree falls on a person, kills them
the death log is

[fiery gale]

Depends if he is in your group

[tribal wharf]

the like fuckin, branches that impaled the dude, and the leaves and the barch all over his body

acorns and shit all around him , broken twigs, maybe an animal nest

and like, the tree bark, i called it barch for some reason, i think thats also correct?

[chilly brook]

it's a flat 1.5% mastery, can't be that bad for a lot of the classes available to Dracthyr

Mastery is like 2nd best stat for sin

probably still worse than tauren tho

[tribal wharf]

i took the meat hook

cuz ill be in SV all day anyways

just a hero one, oh no

and its ilvl, so i get less runeds cost out of it

[jagged gust]

I'm still contemplating between Rashanan cloak and myth legs

[tribal wharf]

once i hit runed cap and can no longer use runeds effectively

[jagged gust]

cloak has effect, effect not very good, but bad effect better than no effect, but cloak stats are

[tribal wharf]

i will hit up and learn 8-12 routes

[jagged gust]

Sims are screaming at me to take legs, but sometimes you just want to argue with a robot

[dusky fable]

Neck or cape? neck has so much haste 😮

[sweet summit]

what does "too much haste" mean

oh nvm i can not read

surely neck no?

[tribal wharf]

too bad the dmg is bad

too bad the dmg on meat hook is bad

[jagged gust]

neck without a doubt

[dusky fable]

was thinking neck too. thanks guys

[hexed shore]

Question about gems - when Culminating Blasphemite says "per unique Algari gem color" do the multicolored gems count as two?

[dusky fable]

does anyone know the PPM on neck effect is?

[hexed shore]

for example, does Deadly Emerald count as a green and a red?

[sweet summit]

its "type", like emerald, ruby, onyx, sapphire and amber (don't use amber)

and use the speed one

👍

0.6% crit damage is not real

[hexed shore]

kk

bliz couldn't make a more confusing tooltip

[sweet summit]

i'm sure they could.. they're quite good at that

[prisma echo]

Friends is there way to sort realm tanks by horde/ally? https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-realm-rankings/season-tww-1/eu/ravencrest/warrior/tank/0#content or other site?

[sweet summit]

for title cutoff?

[prisma echo]

just ranking by rio/keys but per horde/ally

[sweet summit]

oh

[prisma echo]

i got them mixed on link

[sweet summit]

idk never heard of doing that before

[tribal wharf]

is the mob i was talking about and depleted the 9 key city of threads to final boss room

is that

regardless of the key lvl, or it affixes, so even at low,

i always seperate them

and not pull beetle

cuz, obviously on 10+ it doesnt matter and i have to

[jagged gust]

4ppm

[tribal wharf]

cuz always fort

[sweet summit]

i like living on the edge so i do both 🤭

[jagged gust]

I generally see it with ~40% uptime, though so I'm guessing some of the procs are overlapping

[severe wigeon]

when do we reforge for haste verse

[jagged gust]

when the sims start saying take vers over crit

[dusky fable]

thats fat

[severe wigeon]

im not at crit pentalty yet do we just keep going crit

[jagged gust]

the less you have of a stat, the more it's worth, it's not a breakpoint sort of thing

[wispy marsh]

heroic sureki zealot worth taking over basically any mythic slot?

[jagged gust]

at 2% vers, vers is going to be worth a lot. Penalties aside, DR exists at all times, but sim to be sure

[fathom prism]

Guys....can I run ITF now?

[jagged gust]

yes

[wispy marsh]

dr stats at what, 30%?

[jagged gust]

No, DR isn't stat penalty

[severe wigeon]

download true stat values

do see ur penalties

[fathom prism]

Wait a second

I can go higher

unbuffed......

[severe wigeon]

theres a penalty at 19800

[fallow fern]

Is it worth it to have all different gem "colors" to make the epic gem more worth it..? Or still stack the haste/crit ones?

[jagged gust]

stack

unless you really like run speed

(i do)

[fathom prism]

Wtf is a dr? I just want more haste

[fallow fern]

Hmm I wasn't even thinking that one.. that's probably better than the "critical effect" one hey?

[severe wigeon]

dr means u lose value per rating in that stat

[dusky fable]

guys do i use this?

[wispy marsh]

👍

[severe wigeon]

use true stat values

[jagged gust]

stat penalties are "after x amount, y is worth 10/20% less", DR is just the diminishing returns on multiplicative values

[fathom prism]

Thats phase one bis! GZ!!!!

Fuck all that dr bullshit, I want more haste

[dusky fable]

[fathom prism]

I bet in all hase + gems I can get like 23k-24k

[severe wigeon]

if ur dr haste probably put the stats to something more valuable

[jagged gust]

no

haste is king

stat penalties are a suggestion

[gilded remnant]

When do we start taking into the fray

[jagged gust]

35% haste, or 30% from stats

(Both basically the same number)

[patent osprey]

I hate HR start of season. Feel like a zombie. So slow XD

[jagged gust]

ITF just feels right

It's like not taking frenzied enrage as fury

[patent osprey]

I played ITF even when i had lower haste, just because it felt infinitely more fun. But you def would have gaps in SB uptime, just be wary

[jagged gust]

you feel like you're running through water

[sharp gale]

It’s been two week I play ItF I’m glad I have it until next expansion

[tribal wharf]

GG

yeah, we reached second boss and didnt have lust for 2 minutes

is it supposed to only be the triple pull you do a lust on the start?

or okay for double with the beetle

[oak ivy]

Is there a way to add "people standing near me" on sim cuz im gonna lose my fucking mind if i get banned from the sikran neck because it sims dps loss over my 619 stonevault neck

[toxic pewter]

wat

[blazing condor]

you mean so you have full stacks of ITF?

[oak ivy]

yes

[blazing condor]

id imagine the sim accounts for that? @strong forum

if you sim patchwerk 1 target maybe not idk

[oak ivy]

639 Sikran Neck sims .6% DPS LOSS over my 619 haste/mast neck

and loot allocation in my guild is sim based so

[sweet summit]

default is full stacks at 100% uptime of itf

[oak ivy]

[urban portal]

oh while you are here, are you running BSV in push keys these days

[patent osprey]

yar

[urban portal]

dropping rav?

[patent osprey]

yar

[severe wigeon]

do we go colossus now

[urban portal]

why did you rebrand from plka

[patent osprey]

BSV is both a safety net + acts like a stronger Shield wall on large pulls

[urban portal]

do you happen to have any push key logs

[patent osprey]

u just use it like a Cooldown

[jagged gust]

Sounds like your stats are a little wonky

I need to see this sim

that makes no sense

[oak ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uEQvTEK6WrnrtPzGjQfMQe

[patent osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aJfP8pt7N4x2RZVH#fight=19&type=summary

Heres a log of a 14

COT

[oak ivy]

lemme see if it changes value if i include all raid buffs

[jagged gust]

I'd run it again in 5min patchwerk because mastery favours aoe, and if it still doesn't sim start swapping those gems and enchants for mastery

I think you're just stat starved

lets cheese these sims and get our boy an upgrade

[oak ivy]

oh my god i simmed dslice

in my raid talents

[jagged gust]

gg no re

[gilded remnant]

I just finished a run trying ITF. I have exactly 35% haste without it. It felt like there were gaps where i didnt have shield block for like 2s. Is that something I should be concerned about?

[jagged gust]

I fr thought your guild just had weird sim reqs lol

[oak ivy]

no no 5min patchwerk myth full upgrade

i just did it wrong cuz im speshul

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9mrSABAzbD2wVW3xJSa9qE

[jagged gust]

~1 second downtime is gonna happen every 45 seconds, the gap completely closes with a few more %, just make sure you're pressing SC on CD

[gilded remnant]

Thank you

[jagged gust]

1.3%, we're getting there

[oak ivy]

just secretly send in M+ talents dslice where it's like 9%

then again it was 9% when i had crit vers neck

[jagged gust]

nah he's mastery starved

so the other neck is gonna pull ahead in aoe

[oak ivy]

im a big haste vers enjoyer

[neon siren]

Haste vers goated

[oak ivy]

crit blocking rashanan feels so unbelievably good though

[jagged gust]

Legit I'd try simming with mastery gems to see if you can eke it a bit more in your favour

I can't run your sim myself because droptimizer doesn't save simc data for some reason

[strong forum]

sim assumes full stacks

[blazing condor]

ty nom sry for ping

[neon siren]

Does anyone know if this got buffed today? I have the hero version and the str stack was only ~290 per

[wicked pollen]

HOW IS THIS HUMAN IN A 10 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[jagged gust]

bro I had a feral with 450k overall in a 10 last week

[patent canopy]

anyone wanna make this choice for me?

[wicked pollen]

MAN ITS AN ELE

AND ELE

COME ON

[jagged gust]

Yeah that's kinda fucked, if they're not pumping 10mil dps in aoe what are they even doing

[wicked pollen]

i was bursting 3m and i se ethe ele at 1m

🙂

[sharp gale]

I did a 7 on my hunt the 590 ele was a little bit over me in overall

Im 616

[jagged gust]

shard very good for prot, very, very good for fury

[wicked pollen]

idk man

every day the players in this game surprise me

[patent canopy]

cool ill grab that ty

[golden wigeon]

Any earthen prot warriors out there? Does anyone use that azerite surge whatsoever?

[jovial saffron]

i keep getting this occurences where after a charge/leap i get isntagibbed by melees, should i not charge int opacks?

[vernal aspen]

do you have shield block up?

[jovial saffron]

i do

[tidal coyote]

are you charging past some mobs and getting hit in the back by chance?

[lofty veldt]

i did heroic ansurek for the first time today

it was a bit spooky

[mighty valley]

yeah you’re probably not charging the closest enemy

[sharp gale]

Are you charging the mob in the front of the pack right ?

Not one the farthest or in middle

[chilly brook]

Well since the difficulty band has been compressed and the max rewards are now stuck at what was essentially a 20 last expansion you are now stuck with this kind of BS, people who are in keys they have no business being in because they “have” to be for myth items in vault

[vestal edge]

Shield Charging dead center into a pack makes a cooler boom effect tho

[wicked pollen]

i think they were a healer main 🙂

i got baited by their duo

[dusky fable]

whats best 2nd craft after sheild

or is a sim angle?

[wicked pollen]

if you dont have mythic weapon

that will be the biggest dps increase

[sharp gale]

I got kicked of a 7 the other day, 2k719 Rio since week 2 (i just vaul fill) the guy asked me if I main tank or dps (i tagged in dps) i said both

[wicked pollen]

then maybe chest legs shoulders

[dusky fable]

only got 619 wep

so makes sense

[wicked pollen]

xd

[dusky fable]

ty

[wicked pollen]

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT HUMAN

[scarlet stone]

2000719io? Fucking gamer.

[dusky fable]

@scarlet stone you're not doing +195s?

loser

[sharp gale]

Like it’s kinda true since I dps in raid

[scarlet stone]

Hard stuck on +120s :pepehands: those pugs man smh.

[sharp gale]

Yes i know it’s Rio hell now 2k7 I’ll increase my score closer to next patch

I don’t care about m+ i just do it for vault basically

[mental scarab]

Sick dmg cant brake 850k

[scarlet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-jurassic-park-ellie-gif-19249741

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-down-pump-the-brakes-stop-chill-out-gif-20087795

[mental scarab]

[bitter zealot]

Good 7s are the real deal they don't wanna carry you bro! (Sarcasm)

[tall mural]

People are weird in this game. I declined a 2900 rsham because our healer was coming and he messaged me saying that I suck for being 7/8 on week 12. I don’t even raid… and drop group before queen because I don’t care.

Then blocked me obviously

[bitter zealot]

Small pee pee syndrome

[edgy cairn]

Hey guys, I'm brand new to tanking and if there's some addons I should bring with me before throwing keys away? Like stuff to track % at certain points of the dungeons without having to rememberize them from mdt

[buoyant lintel]

no addons are necessary to tank. nameplates will help to see mob aggro. and for routes just do low keys until you learn them. people dont care if you are under or over % in low keys

[gilded remnant]

dude this is bs. The 3rd boss in Siege of Boralus no longer does the frontal during 3rd set of waves

so I stood there like a dumbass waiting for it to go off just to get crushed by the waves lol

[bitter zealot]

Not true when I was learning i got slammed alot by 2k io or higher players for being off %

People be toxic af in low low-key

[pallid quiver]

oh yeah they absolutely do care but you shouldn't give a shit

[bitter zealot]

You better tank a 2 like it's a 15 and you're a top 0.01% tank or else death threats! (Personal experience)

[buoyant lintel]

that has not been my experience

coming from someone who is basically learning this game from zero just this expansion

[bitter zealot]

I only been tanking for like a month when I was learning in 2s it was the worst experience I had.

[buoyant lintel]

were you on your key or someone elses

i just do my own key

[bitter zealot]

Happened in both sometimes mine sometimes someone else's was never the key holder tho

Always the players who were somewhat high IO. It's like they go down to those low keys just to insult others while feeling like they're gods

[buoyant lintel]

i know what type of player youre talking about lol

its pathetic

[glacial pebble]

As a new tank, I only listen to constructive feedback from DPS

[bitter zealot]

Yep, just my experience in those low keys trying to learn tank there was alot of those type of players

[bitter zealot]

Now i never listen to any pug dps

[glacial pebble]

Healers I’ll take negative feedback from, but DPS I only listen to if its a specific thing “oh you can skip here”

[glacial pebble]

Good advice overall tbh, just isn’t worth worrying about. Unless they have tank experience they are playing a different game

[bitter zealot]

Game they're playing is smashing their heads on the keyboards.

[buoyant lintel]

legit i am just sending it in keys. dont know any routes. dont have any addons. never played this game before this expansion and im tanking 4-6s atm. ive have had basically zero toxicity.

[jovial saffron]

this is a question i can relate to cause i've done this mistake quite a few times

[bitter zealot]

Bless your luck haha

[jovial saffron]

but this time i was in the right:D

[bitter zealot]

When i started tanking I was trying hard to make my group happy taking blame when I know I didn't mess up they did. Taking insults blah blah blah and in 1 months time I now am not shy about leaving a key with toxic dps. They can go fight the que boss for a hour

[glacial pebble]

I haven’t left a key yet. I have told people to touch grass when they yell at other people in the group.

I’m not trapped in with them, they are trapped in with me.

Every key is a no leaver key imo

[bitter zealot]

Last key i left was today actually frost dk pulled 2 extra packs and started complaining in party chat like alot. I'm playing to enjoy myself so the moment someone wants to be extremely toxic I'm out

[jagged gust]

fdk's do be pulling

they're on my no fly list

[buoyant lintel]

i just made a fdk and the urge to yoink every pack is hard to overcome

[bitter zealot]

The worst part is they pretend it wasn't them lol

[ornate thicket]

This game has a way of making people angry because of the timer in keys lol. Someone who gives constructive criticism and then also the people who reply back with "idgaf" are just as guilty of being piece of shit mentality. Dps shouldnt rage on tanks for misplays but also tanks shouldnt clap back and leave keys/ be toxic in return.

[glacial pebble]

Constructive feedback is welcome 🙏

[bitter zealot]

Eh I'm big on treating people the same way they treat me. Good or bad

Constructive for sure is fine

[buoyant lintel]

eh be careful lol

[glacial pebble]

As a tank, I don’t get to see other tanks pull, so if they know something I haven’t seen that makes my life easier, great

[bitter zealot]

I listen to healers alot cause I love them

[buoyant lintel]

what if you misinterperet someones actions and now youre being a dick for no reason

[buoyant lintel]

if dps pull on me i would take it as im underpulling tbh

it doesnt happen anymore though

[toxic pewter]

feedback at the end of the run

[glacial pebble]

I haven’t seen it lately, but it is annoying when it happens

[smoky anvil]

Dps pulling for me or being told “GO GO” when I pause for 2 seconds with plenty of time left and speedy pulls prior gets me heated.

[bitter zealot]

Most of those dps don't understand what the mobs even do so if they are ninja pulling on you could wipe the group cause alot of pugs won't kick

Even been in GB with a pug group that won't kick? Scary imo

[severe wigeon]

do i reforge my shield to 636 or my wrists first

[smoky anvil]

Shield

[loud sentinel]

Could someone help me with which ring i should replace with Experiment 08752

[glacial pebble]

Speaking of which, shield or weapon to 236 with my crests first?

Or about the same?

[smoky anvil]

Shield first.

[smoky anvil]

The one without haste.

[glacial pebble]

I think I’ll craft weapon second

[sharp gale]

Exactly what I was writing alkaraz lol

[loud sentinel]

That's what I was thinking. A friend was saying to consider having more vers for higher keys in m+ to survive so I wasn't sure

[smoky anvil]

Are you doing higher than 12s?

If the answer is no then don’t even worry about it.

[sharp gale]

But your 623 ring has vers too

[loud sentinel]

Ok perfect. I'm around 9s/10s right now

[smoky anvil]

I’ve yet to time a 12 but me dying hasn’t been our limiting factor. I have like 7% vers.

[loud sentinel]

Here's with it replaced. Should i put +vers enchantments on both rings in this case or should I just keep stacking haste?

[smoky anvil]

Haste

[pallid quiver]

Does your friend play heals or DPS?

[smoky anvil]

27% is rookie numbers

[loud sentinel]

Heals

[pallid quiver]

Because that's a DPS/Heals consideration, since they don't have a defensive kit

[lofty warren]

what in the fck is this

[wicked pollen]

a correction

it was 7% the entire time

[pallid quiver]

Read the updates channel

[wicked pollen]

just misinterpreted

[loud sentinel]

Haha kk 🙂

[lofty warren]

Since 11.0 the only change to us is buff to execute?

[bitter zealot]

Not a bad thing

[smoky anvil]

For prot? Yes.

[loud sentinel]

Last question (probably lol). At what haste amount should I be taking into the fray over heavy repercussions?

[sharp gale]

First it was new icon for spear, now 7% on execute, we have blizzard’s love

[raw perch]

is execute higher prio than shield slam in single?

[pallid quiver]

Roughly around 30-40%, how comfy it is depends on dungeon

[smoky anvil]

I’m still running HR but not till between 35-40 is general answer.

[pallid quiver]

No, it pretty much replaces revenge in prio

[loud sentinel]

You guys rock. Really appreciate the help!

[lofty warren]

Feels good to not half to play vdh to be good for once

[pallid quiver]

For example, it's easier to get away with less haste in Dawnbreaker due to the amount of mobs spam casting spells

[lofty warren]

Even though I like vdh too

[bitter zealot]

Ew

[south zealot]

pepega what keys are you doing

[dark plover]

Join Gromnaks cord

[south zealot]

hell no

[dark plover]

[lofty warren]

I have a new child so I've been very casual doing 10-11s. Still being strong means easier invites

[ornate thicket]

@lusty grotto alive check. No comment from you in days

[lofty warren]

He went to be a vdh I heard

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-ew-gross-david-rose-disgusted-gif-18489037

[dark plover]

All the fun happens in there

[sharp gale]

that's some exciting tags

[jagged gust]

nim needs a break, dealing with fotm rerollers takes a toll on a man

[lusty grotto]

im alive

[pallid quiver]

Oh, to elaborate on my earlier comment, the amount of vers you would need to make a notable impact on your survival as a tank would be absurd amounts

It's infinitely more feasible to leverage your defensive kit properly, as tanks like, have those

[lusty grotto]

im around, i just have nothing to add

the channel has it covered

[ornate thicket]

Oic. Glad to see you alive

[jagged gust]

The one thing I miss about Jordan is them singlehandedly taking care of all comments related to vers

[lusty grotto]

i appreciate it

[pallid quiver]

ur appreciated

gottem

[lofty warren]

Someone give me @healer macro for intervene in m+ 👍

[ornate thicket]

What? Just mouseover healer frame nerd

[shy knoll]

Can anyone please explain to me why refrracting aggression module is c tier? seems good too me ahaha, stuck with my vault choice between (myth tier module and myth tier crit/vers cloak).

[jagged gust]

It's an extra IP every minute

[rocky crest]

any pointers on Umbral rushes in dawnbreaker, they eat my IP for breakfast

[jagged gust]

spell blockable

Also IP is there to be ate

[silent sphinx]

If i have shield/1h weapon at myth track

should i open vault as fury?

or is swarmlords good enough to keep try going for it

[jagged gust]

I wouldn't scrape my boots with a swarmlord

[ornate thicket]

Im staying prot for hopes at swarmlords but if you have myth track weap and shield its just 1 less slot to worry about (shield) if you loot as fury

You can try to run raid council for another shot at drop before opening vault too

[cosmic canyon]

question: what is the avg amount of agility given over 5 minutes (procc / uptime / iL ) from ara-kara sacbrood?

if one translates 'agi' given over a time period

[tropic tangle]

use some kind of mit on this

spell block, wall, demo, spell reflect

[cosmic canyon]

1.5 proccs of constant uptime? 3 ?

[rocky crest]

ty for tips

[alpine zephyr]

Looting my first myth vault, no 636 or myth track items as of yet. What loot spec should I use?

[smoky anvil]

If you don’t have a myth track shield and 1h prot, if you don’t have a myth track weapon fury, after that, dealers choice but either arm or fury for dps trinkets since most def trinkets are cheeks.

[alpine zephyr]

Great, thanks 🙂

[frigid eagle]

hey yall but whats a better pick for pwarr.. Swarmlord HC track or Skarmorak shard Myth Track!

using Sacbrood and Skarmorak shard on HC track also have Foul Behemonth on myth track and Ovinax HC track

[gusty saffron]

How many ilvl is needed on keys? im 595 and im not even close to be able to tank 5s

[wicked pollen]

that means you are misplaying

you can do 10s at 590

[gusty saffron]

i literally burned all cds

and dead

[wicked pollen]

do you have a log we can look at

?

[gusty saffron]

we dead first pull on siege

hasdhash

will log me now

I mean, not first, it was the 3º

[sick helm]

what do i take lads
I have a hero track sacbrood and oppressive orator's larynx as current trinkets

[tribal wharf]

hard to see it

but there is another judgement travelling to the boss

[wicked pollen]

🙂

[tribal wharf]

this game with pugs is becoming alot less fun for me lol

[wicked pollen]

i depleted my first 10

in weeks today

i know your pain yogi

[dusky fable]

do we always run ITF with 20k+ haste?

[jagged pier]

i mean u can if u want

u dont have too

[jagged gust]

20k is borderline for the ITF swap

I'd do it personally

I'm a simple man, I see haste, I take haste

[dusky fable]

with flask im at like 22k

so ill test it

[jagged gust]

As long as you're using SC on cd and not capping SB charges, you shouldn't see more than 1-2 second downtime on SB every minute or two

[buoyant lintel]

Is it reasonable to time that downtime in between pulls?

[runic grove]

Is it normal for us to be doing half as much healing as our healer?

bit more than half even

[jagged gust]

Downtime between pulls can work in your favour

I generally am 1-200k damage taken per second over my healing in 10s and under

I'm not even the top person healed on my healer's list

[ornate thicket]

Yes IP and leech count towards healing meter

[deft mortar]

3 weeks and I still couldn't time a 12 lol

I think Ima look up routes at this point

My blind pulls probably shit

At this point I am never dying in 12s tho

shit dont do dmg

even nw first pull is comfy

[jagged gust]

I mean if you look at something like crit's group, they're timing 12s with several minutes to spare, they're doing giga pulls, but it's still more based on your group doing a semblance of their aoe rotation and taking care of mechanics than some particular route

[deft mortar]

to be fair I had too many 12s that go pretty fine

But then people leaving upon their first death

to some spell

Even if it snot a wipe

[ornate thicket]

Mostly you can wing it if you arent familiar but id have a couple route to reference so you know what % you need before going into last hallways or end of dungeons so you know if ylu need more before taking a port or getting too far away from another pull

[jagged gust]

I saw crit die on first pull NW, then like 4 more times after that and they still timed it with like 6 minutes to spare, before the timer buff

[deft mortar]

Woah that's insane

Is crit the tank?

He probably runs a more offensive build than me

[jagged gust]

nah, think he was playing with prot at the beginning of season, but swaps between fury and frost

[deft mortar]

I sit at 11.5M hp unbuffed

Ah fair

[jagged gust]

but like even a full on wipe they would have timed it with 5 minutes left on timer

leavers are cringe

[deft mortar]

We overtimed this NW 12 by 2 mins, but combined the boomie and resto shaman had 10 deaths

[ornate thicket]

11.5? Damn. You have 2 pnts in the stam talent in class tree?

[deft mortar]

Nobody else died

[deft mortar]

My main content is maxxing my health

And haste

[jagged gust]

it's not optimal, but as long as you're timing shit and not dying you're doing it right

[deft mortar]

On colossus I got 9.8M hp but I use it for 10s and below only

[ornate thicket]

Yeah ive got 9.9 without the stamina talent

[jagged gust]

No word of a lie, I don't touch colo because I'm already using double on use trinkets and I can't spare another keybind without remaking my warrior ui lmao

[deft mortar]

I tried to run ulduar for the champ track stamina trinkets, no luck

If I had them both, I'd have another 30k stamina or more lol

Would've been funny

[jagged gust]

I did that back in S2, stam gems, enchants, that godawful trinket from ulda, it's dumb but being the highest HP warrior on the server made me laugh

[deft mortar]

BSV procs at like 4M hp lol

And 2nd wind ticks heal for like 150k

[jagged gust]

Wait, I just drop ravager for BSV and I can gain a keybind for demolish

problem solved

[wicked pollen]

[smoky anvil]

I’m too afraid of being exposed as a shitter going colossus for lower keys.

[wicked pollen]

?

what is the problem with playing either

[smoky anvil]

Nothing really, just not living up to dam potential in content where you’re going to time it regardless, may as well bang a bit harder

[nova pond]

I did a quick search,

• How come top 10 prot warrs have versatility instead of crit.

• How come we aren't doing that as well if (for some of us) our goal is to be as tanky as possible.

[smoky anvil]

The top keys guys live in a different reality where their needs are different to your average players. Unless you’re at bleeding edge, the vers tech isn’t needed. (There’s also debate as to if it’s needed and to what extent)

Crit vs Vers isn’t the reason you’re bricking your 12s.

[nova pond]

Ok! Prot pally top 100 also have 2ndary stats all over the place so it makes sense that the elite are doing something else!

[south zealot]

crit gives more damage reduction overall

bc it gives parry

most damage u take is parry

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[south zealot]

vers gives less damage reduction voerall but it reduces damage from 'scarier' sources

[smoky anvil]

Most general guides are for general pop. When you’re doing 15-16s kinda stuff you’re not in the general pop. These guys go off a lot of feels crafting as well.

[south zealot]

you want some of all stats

[nova pond]

crit also makes nice for arms offspeccing

i think that's the answer:

• Crit is overall best for overall DR
• Verse is overall best for bursty One Shots Mechs
  (Idfk, i just wanna live in a world where things make sense)

[wicked pollen]

the best part is yoda used this exact argument for stacking crit on prot pala but doesnt on war

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[jagged gust]

Once again, thank god he rerolled

[urban portal]

is prot war still the most represented in high keys

[wicked pollen]

well it hasnt been a day yet

[deft mortar]

are prot warrs the strongest or are the best players prot warrs frfrrfr

[wicked pollen]

so give it time

the pink wave is coming

even the chinese bear swapped

[urban portal]

do we expect ppal to be best

yeah prob gonna take 2 resets to get a chracter up to speed

[wicked pollen]

no they already have them geared

[cyan bronze]

where have i seen this before

[wicked pollen]

no idea

[cyan bronze]

idk, i havent seen another s1 of recent expac where pwar was meta before .5 patch and then prot pal got a mild rework and became meta

[jagged gust]

we had our time in the sun, see y'all next xpac

[neon elk]

Well keys 15 and up its already ppal over pwar , so its just a matter of time realy

[dusky fable]

should shield block uptime be 95%~ in keys with ITF>

[pallid quiver]

If you have enough haste, yeah

If you don't, it's going to be lower

[dusky fable]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bwWN8aMjpP6xhyJ3#fight=11&type=auras&target=10

[pallid quiver]

That's why you want enough haste before swapping to ITF

[dusky fable]

i was at 85% but we had some major downtime

with people dying

i def missed a few tho

[pallid quiver]

The more important metric is blocked hits, since that's used uptime in actual combat,

[dusky fable]

how do i check that

[pallid quiver]

And that log only has about 81% blocked hits, so it's a non-zero amount of damage coming in

Under damage taken, go to melee, and hover over the number in the hits column

[dusky fable]

what should i aim for for blocked hits?

[pallid quiver]

Of note is that you're getting clipped in the back and sides a lot while shield block is up

(You can check that by applying the source aura filter of shield block to on, as seen in this screenshot)

[jagged gust]

95% is a good spot to aim, 100% would be preferable but personally I take a lot of backshots chasing my transmitter from time to time

[dusky fable]

my mouses right click is super fucked RN

it releases and spam clicks itself

which is fucking my turning / kiting

good to know im getting hit in the back a lot tho

[wicked pollen]

you dont notice your hp bar being chunked by 20% when it happens

[dusky fable]

it was only a +8 so not really taking 20-50% hits

[wicked pollen]

lucky you

[dusky fable]

my dusk thread lining uptime

was 90%

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, and defensive CDs were like, actually being pressed, too

[jagged gust]

this was an 8

[pallid quiver]

So in an 8, it'll make it pretty chill overall

[jagged gust]

unblocked hits at the worst time are still a terrifying thing

[pallid quiver]

have you tried not getting hit by the cinematic abilities that aren't supposed to be used on players? smh

[dusky fable]

@pallid quiver i tend to slam my defensives on each pull / rotate them

since with prot they have such a high refund playstyle

[pallid quiver]

As you should, since trash usually hurts more than bosses anyway

[dusky fable]

i love the style of slamming shout then it refunds with TC

then shield wall is like 60s cd

[jagged gust]

When no tank with shield, I tank with face.

Well, my corpse does at least

[pallid quiver]

Also, this wasn't the point of the log, but you'll want to be more proactive with IP and catching SS resets; you wasted like 2200 rage from what I saw, so 22 entire rage bars worth

oh, sorry, 2328 rage, so 23 whole rage bars worth

[dusky fable]

for mine @pallid quiver

?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah

[wicked pollen]

[pallid quiver]

Notably, you're wasting a decent chunk with Ravager+Shield Charge, so I'm wagering you're letting yourself cap during CD timeframes where you really mash a lot of buttons

[wicked pollen]

that has to be like 5% rage no?

[dusky fable]

i tend to notice i can cap with Rav + spear yeah

[pallid quiver]

Almost 10% rage wasted

[dusky fable]

i had 85%~ Ip uptime

so i can def slam it more

[pallid quiver]

To be more specific

[pallid quiver]

slam it even if it's up and capped

it's better to spend the rage than waste it

You want to keep enough rage to be able to revenge, but not cap

IP uptime varies heavily based on damage profile, so it's not a useful metric to track

[dusky fable]

makes sense, and more rage spent

will give more cds

which will give more rage in a sense

[jagged gust]

precisely

[dusky fable]

more avatars good

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1hcrZjP7zpmwBYQ4#fight=31&source=375
mr luerce how did i do 🙂

[wicked pollen]

it was worse than i thought

[pallid quiver]

smh

[jagged gust]

half a rage bar? for shame.

[wicked pollen]

was that my ss wasted

[pallid quiver]

That's my favorite bit of all time

It was actually off Ravager, SC, TC, and passive rage gen from being hit

[wicked pollen]

my favorite part was when i did more damage than the ele shaman 🙂

[jagged gust]

your avatar uptime is surprisingly low

[pallid quiver]

Oh, and one proc of war machine

[wicked pollen]

and i depleted my first 10 in weeks

[jagged gust]

oh nvm, you went colo

that's like -10% avatar

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Colo so less Avatar from the random procs and rage gen

[wicked pollen]

yeah turbo cancer

but demo cranks

[pallid quiver]

I wager you probably could've gotten more use out of your bigger defensive CDs, like SW and Spell Block, but I'd have to see when you popped them and how long adds lived for that

Certainly weren't at all needed, but

[wicked pollen]

most of the time defensive cds are just not used because of my sb uptime

and i do predictable pulls

unlike the lst 10 minutes of the key

where we pulled the entire hallway

🙂

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, can still technically reduce damage with them, but definitely not necessary to do so

SR use though was fairly often, so that's a mega plus compared to most swinging in here

[dusky fable]

is there ever an argument for battle stance?

[pallid quiver]

Technically, we still advocate being in battle until you need to be in def stance,

But you can generally eke out more damage from the DR from def stance and pulling bigger

Which is worth more than the crit

[wicked pollen]

it was a lot more important before

[amber ravine]

Is anyone gemming/enchanting mastery? sim is telling me to swap

[pallid quiver]

So really, if you don't want to think hard, just be in battle stance by default on bosses, def stance on trash

[wicked pollen]

but no more negative modifier for prot

[pallid quiver]

And use def stance as part of your defensives on bosses

[oak ivy]

I need a colossus M+ build for the memes

[wicked pollen]

you sure

[oak ivy]

yes

[wicked pollen]

you want a gio build

its very good

🙂

[oak ivy]

hit me

[pallid quiver]

If you have enough of other stats, mastery gains in value, as you get more out of the rating it gives you than adding more rating onto stats you already have a lot of

[wicked pollen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/1300485219459137586/image.png?ex=6722543e&is=672102be&hm=9d433799cdee5704610e6a1434b41417972c3f0f7e926cb0362c21cc2f57fe97&

[pallid quiver]

So it is actually possible for sims to tell you to grab mastery

[oak ivy]

this is thane pookie

[wicked pollen]

just swap thane for colo

doesnt matter

and spear for roar

[pallid quiver]

oh yeah that's memes

[wicked pollen]

its more fun for me

[oak ivy]

this is psychotic

[pallid quiver]

I'd say just go all the way and swap HR to ITF if you're gonna do that

no balls

[wicked pollen]

i dont have enough haste 😦

[pallid quiver]

pfffffft

who needs sb uptime when you've got max speed E X E C U T E

That's a healer problem, man

[wicked pollen]

yeah but im trying to do weeklys and have fun

i dont have fun on the floor

does the log say my stats or is it bugged

[grim pilot]

I love pillar of frost

ninja pulling stuff

[wicked pollen]

nah my group

pulled the 5 pack after the 2 stoneguards before last boss

intentionally

🙂

[edgy bone]

How do you skip the lavabenders before dragon boss in grim? I taunted the dragon as it came down and it pulled the lavabenders along with it*

just let the dragon come to you and not use any abilities?

[amber ravine]

What level haste are we looking to essentially "stop" at and whats the mark people are saying for fray?

[toxic pewter]

never stop. gotta go fast

if u aint first u last

[edgy bone]

How do you skip the lavabenders before dragon boss in grim? I thought the boss pulls them when the dragon comes down

[jagged gust]

35% for itf, no cap on haste, ever

[wooden widget]

How powerful is the wings of shattered sorrow can trip?

[oak ivy]

ok colossus is kinda funny

[pastel geyser]

what is dynamic overall dmg? :D

[oak ivy]

overall damage but it updates mid pull

[pastel geyser]

seems to be overall of the entire play session

in my case

[shy knoll]

Any 3k io chads that wana let me pm them with a few questions?

[dusky fable]

me (im 2.2k)

[oak ivy]

this is fun xd