protection

[fiery gale]

I mean m+

[wanton mantle]

Warr has massive dm from armor+shield+dstance+block allready and builds rage extremely fast. Druid on the other hand only has dummy thicc health and armor to begin and doesn't builds rage as fast, so to pull big either needs allready some rage to start building up IF or start with a defensive on the pull if not

[fiery gale]

Raid pulls are not really relevant😄

Not dangerous

[violet ginkgo]

ahh so the key aside from the base is the rage building speed.

[fiery gale]

Not sure to agree tbh. I would have to compare a key with total rage spent on guardian and pwarr

I think guardian will be more because of incarn

Outside of incarn, rage is not too bad too. But it all goes into iron fur

[wanton mantle]

You have to efficiently manage your rage as bear. Warr, specially MT, on the other hand, you have to be careful to "avoid" capping rage.

I have no idea about bear hero talents tho so their rage regen might be better now dunno

[mighty valley]

still think it’s silly that people are shield charging to pull, you’ll hit like one guy with it that way

[fiery gale]

The most popular bear build for m+ right now has iron fur as the only rage spender basically. It’s a no brainer regarding management.

But what is good to do is to pool some rage at the end of a pull, that way you can have iron fur up when running into the next pull

[mighty valley]

and lose the rage gain from regular charge

[wanton mantle]

Still think bear gets extra points for being stylish juggernaut (werebear) tank

[violet ginkgo]

Well I am not sure about bear Chalk, I haven't even peek it as in what ability generate rage or something.

But to back up Greedo, We (prot war) start with Charge (20) then Demo shout (30) + avatar, then shield charge 40 and that is already 90, not to mention you probably throw ravager already and it start building.

That is from 0 to almost 100 in span of less than 5 secs maybe?

[fiery gale]

What about the neon bears?

[wanton mantle]

They are nice but werebear is chad

[fiery gale]

I always think they look like deformed gorillas

[violet ginkgo]

Is it weird that I felt were bear appear to be more "tank" than the default bear form.

[wanton mantle]

I like to imagine in my mind the fel grizzlemaw bear as the canonical result of the mage tower tank challenge for druids. As the battle ends with you falling uncouncious from tanking the colossal fel explosion from Krull to protect Velen. While other tanks had some way to protect themselves from the blast (shields, chi, armor etc) the bear tanked it with their bare bodies so corruption and mutation of the form makes sense

[deft mortar]

Big doubt, bros need to use spells just to hit our baseline defensiveness

Buddy I got 11.5M hp, 56% armor, 40% block, 15% parry

[rocky nexus]

hey guys, did anyone test this trinket yet? https://prnt.sc/2zo8GH93pyKv

[long bone]

Isnt our most important item our shield?

[deft mortar]

I can hear Nome say it's bad for X reason

[rocky nexus]

ye, dunno is it even close to these 2 i have https://prnt.sc/67qHg4DaJMUb

looking that they're bis for m+

[tribal wharf]

i have a tip for you

hold shift + windows key an then tap S

you will get a crop selection tool that saves your image to , i forget what its called, exactly, but it puts it in memory, so if you did another screen shot in the same manner without saving, it would overwrite.

[vocal harness]

When do you Guys start using Battle scarred vet in m+ instead of ravager ? Whats the threshold DMG wise

[echo egret]

Is there a way to get this baby on hero or mythic track ?

[halcyon dust]

Use both?

[ionic fern]

Worrysome, but i'll allow it.

[tender reef]

fair

def worth it

[tender reef]

where is it from ?

[echo egret]

Wowhead says Delves...

[mighty valley]

there’s no mathematical threshold, it’s just an insurance policy against mistakes

[brave jackal]

Is this similar to Quazii weakaura for spellreflect?

[deft mortar]

Holy fuck it's an aoe

Basically a smaller 2nd demo shout

In terms of defensiveness

I am thinking about stacking crit for parry over vers

Sure vers is fun and all but

Parry outright stopping melees is very good at higher keys

[bitter zealot]

Question 2 shield wall charges vs the cd reduction? Looked at archon shows the additional charge is being used more

[deft mortar]

CD reduce lowers the cd to like 45-60 secs

Combined the the ragekne

One*

Sorta bawsy

[marsh axle]

hey, what talents you guys use in ansurek heroic?

[violet ginkgo]

standard raid talent I guess

[torpid fiber]

is the bonus armor racial from earthen significant at all?

[strong forum]

no

[strong forum]

only relevant talent is spellblock

rest you can play like normal

[strong forum]

2x SW is easier cuz you can play worse and have a backup

imp wall is better cuz you get 26.7% increased rage gen on SS and 40sec CD on SW if you play well

[inner wren]

Earthen are ugly dont don’t do it

[torpid fiber]

big disagree. theyre dwarves but not lame

[mellow ridge]

for m+ should i be using potion bombs of power?

[strong forum]

you can do that for big pulls ig ye

[fiery gale]

Most use tempered potion

It seems

[deft mortar]

I use Frontline

Frontline + Demoshout > Wall + LS > BSV and if at that point the big pull ain't dead we ain't gonna make it

That's like 30 secs of not taking dmg

Tbf after BSV shout is probably back

[true thistle]

Is there a list of WA anywhere for new to warrior peeps?

[deft mortar]

I still have never used WA

18 years of WoW

Lol

[tribal wharf]

it should just put a message in the chat when you do it

if you want one that tells you when to activate spell reflect you need something else

[vocal harness]

I thought, that you can use it kinda as CD at some Point. In a rotation after Wall, demo etc. When healer Wall is on CD. Some Kind of niche

[timber nest]

hey! question: im using engi health pot helm, I OS Arms... should i send a crit helm or go haste?

[toxic pewter]

wat

[timber nest]

only 1 stat, so i gotta choose

[toxic pewter]

just use the item with highest ilvl

[timber nest]

i dont think you understand the question

because im recrafting, so its the same ilevel

[fair beacon]

which one do I get from blackrock? fat haste or extra tank effect, or maybe even none?

[timber nest]

sim it

[toxic pewter]

i would just go with haste helm

[brave jackal]

You suggest anything specific for that purpose?

[red dock]

Is pulling the double charge mobs into the next pack in the last Stonevault hallway too dangerous for a pug group you think?

They dont really do anything besides charge right?

[tribal wharf]

the document and weak aura/plater

i just have any important reflect play a banana sound

[grim pilot]

I tested, x2 sw is only okay in nw

Rest dungeons defo single wall

[violet ginkgo]

Of all the stat you can choose, you choose mastery
Should’ve go haste

[timber nest]

i was MS fury before i gave up pugging as dps

[violet ginkgo]

I thought fury also want haste?

Also…. That bad right on pugging, no one wanna pick dps warrior.

[tribal wharf]

what is the stuns on first pulls of city of threads

[timber nest]

fury doesnt like a lot of haste, and i already had 13000 haste

[tribal wharf]

i never really noticed them, went into 8 and we got decimated

i guess the silk binding

healer said "stunned" and tried a few more packs and went disaster, im out of it now

[cyan bronze]

have to kick/cc silk binding

and the orbs

[violet ginkgo]

yeah this one, but it got long channel before it actually stun you, can CC and it will go away.

[tribal wharf]

been a while since key exploded like that

[violet ginkgo]

Anyway first time doing necrotic 8 on fortified, jesus that dungeon basically filled with mini bosses. I can't imagine for the 10, when tyran and forti active. That's a lot of bosses and mini bosses.

[blazing condor]

you can always skip the dude on the middle platform

after 1st boss

same with the patroling ice bloke

[prisma echo]

Prot friends i need some tips how to manage 2nd boss on grim batol on +10. From my experience i can kill pull nr 12 but dont have time for either 14 or 13 before boss comes. Should i just not aggro him, wait he go away then pull 14-13 and then run with him to start of room? What are your tips here?

[rich ingot]

Hug right you won't aggro boss

[prisma echo]

with the pull nr 13 or 14?

[jagged gust]

13

[prisma echo]

then i kill 13 or go for boss?

[jagged gust]

12, hug wall and do 13 on the anvil, go back for 14 then do boss as he's probably sitting by the SW corner channeling by then

[prisma echo]

copy that

[tribal wharf]

whats the cd for HOJ

[lean veldt]

Guys ive a question i have the Craftet shield il 636 now i get the 639 shield form the frist boss whats better now?

[jagged pier]

639

[tribal wharf]

heres why we died

[deft mortar]

We're all casuals compared to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMWkD5VsZ8

[cyan bronze]

Mage can reset it infinitely

If you have in party

Prob hunter, rogue, nelf also

also; potentially stupid question, why do we ever want to send VO on TB in higher tcount, isnt it just worse rage regardless?

or is it just a dmg thing

[pine lotus]

Did you notice a big diff going from 619 to 636 shield?

[gentle pier]

Hey guys, how much versatility do you guys have?

[jagged pier]

2%

oh 1%

9 with choas and wark buffs

[violet ginkgo]

4% on me because somehow sim direct me there.

[violet ginkgo]

well I think it is nice also it's quite confident boost too, something like I got bigger shield now, I can tank more.

[naive panther]

@prisma echo last couple runs we killed 12 and 14 then somehow boss aggro way far while we hide. So I pull it back by edge near entrance and we've had plenty of room to kill it. As long as axe cleave goes to center.

[prisma echo]

I just did it and all wokred i manage kill 2 pulls and then go to boss

[strong forum]

I got 890 vers which is like 1%

Sims Just happened to end up that way

[strong forum]

Should be a 15% difference in dmg intake

[cyan bronze]

nom, can you explain this to me, i didnt see the logic anywhere on wowhead 🐸

"also; potentially stupid question, why do we ever want to send VO on TB in higher tcount, isnt it just worse rage regardless?
or is it just a dmg thing"

[strong forum]

On 2+ targets during avatar you can send outburst on TB

On 3+ you can always send it on TB

[cyan bronze]

no ik the conditions of it

would you still ss on higher target counts, if you're worried about falling over

[strong forum]

Oh you mean why

The rage from TB is not much less than SS

So it's purely just a dmg thing

[cyan bronze]

i see, thank you

[strong forum]

Even with the nerfed rage from TB, it's still very close to SS up to the point of being fairly negligible

But SS just hits that much harder on low target counts

[cyan bronze]

i see

[strong forum]

You get like 40-50 rage (depending on talents) from outburst SS

TB is like 29

[cyan bronze]

yeah, the rage differential becomes smaller if you play double wall

which seems really susge to me, outside of maybe NW, but idk im just fotm

[deft mortar]

yo what do we reflect on

ovi'nax

[strong forum]

Nothing, you use it as damage reduction

[pallid quiver]

reflect your tears that you're probably getting benched on mythic unless something's changed

[rocky igloo]

Do we go seal of poisoned pact as BIS or is a haste vers crafted ring better? (I get that poisoned pact sims higher but defensively for SB up time from haste?)

[graceful kite]

Sim but probably poison

[mystic radish]

Heya,
im running https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPAVVBRFUgUVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBRFVZVUQCUEEFVVUCQQ atm
but Archon shows a different build with no ravager. Did I miss any changes? X:

[graceful kite]

Statted cantrips are strong

[strong forum]

Archon Just shows what's popular

Which doesn't necessarily mean best

[pallid quiver]

and what's popular is auto-piloting as much of the class as possible

[violet ginkgo]

why our standard build not popular?

[graceful kite]

Maybe people not picking ravager will somehow make blizz remake it

[pallid quiver]

because people hate playing the game

[graceful kite]

Boring button

[strong forum]

Our standard build is not popular cuz it's not used by r1 Strummer

[violet ginkgo]

then let's support nome to be #1 streamer

[pallid quiver]

Streamers as a whole are held to be more of an authority on the game among the popular player base

[strong forum]

Which is exclusive to wow

Funnily enough

[pallid quiver]

That can be nice if the most popular streamer is very well versed in the class/character/etc they're playing

[pallid quiver]

Nah, that's fight games, too

A lot of shooters were like that, too

[graceful kite]

They probably are in their fav class

Dorku is probably very knowledgeable in bear

[pallid quiver]

Most popular streamers are playing whatever's considered meta for their group

[mystic radish]

So "wowhead" build still pog 🙂 ?

[graceful kite]

And yoda in pala

[strong forum]

The wowhead build is perfectly capable, and in my opinion, better for high keys

[pallid quiver]

I'm not saying they're not good; they're better than the majority of the playerbase, and they're among the best at playing dungeons

[violet ginkgo]

I mean.. I don't mind ravager but... damn they don't give the good keystone for prot. Sure doesn't make sense if we got unhinged and shieldslam 1 target everytime ravager deal damage but... please make something else? These 2 keystone are both bads for M+ and Raid.

[buoyant spade]

If I would like to spec disruptive shout as Moutain thane f or M+, what should I be giving up?

[strong forum]

Bloodsurge

[graceful kite]

Its just a boring button to press

Grounded aoe dot

[cyan bronze]

how much of a rage loss is blood surge to drop

[strong forum]

7-12%

but its the only button you CAN drop

[violet ginkgo]

if you are thane? you probably don't notice the loss

[pallid quiver]

It hurts, but you likely won't directly notice it

[buoyant spade]

That sounds like a massive loss, yikes

[strong forum]

dropping anything else hurts your performance much more

[buoyant spade]

Makes sense

[pallid quiver]

It's like getting a better shield; it 100% helps you, but you will be pressed to notice it

[mystic radish]

But I feel the rage regen is good especially when the pull eats the IP bar in ms x:

[fresh kernel]

any protbro got a weakaura that announces when reflect is up

[violet ginkgo]

@graceful kite I mean... sure it is boring but with unhinged for arms (if they take it), mortal strike is quite damaging and for fury it damage plus keep the enrage active. At least it brings something because of the keystone.

For prot it's just boring because there is no good keystone to upgrade it. And as usual blizz won't notice warrior

[mystic radish]

Is there any haste threshold I need min.? Like the ~5.6k ish we had in DF? Havent played prot alot in tww

Or just go full sim

Because no more ITF?

[pallid quiver]

There's no minimum unless you're looking to rock ITF

But as much haste as possible, even if able to use ITF, is preferred

Can just sim to solve your woes, though

[cyan bronze]

do people not like storm of steel?

[tawdry cloak]

Didn’t you say you’re not doing high keys this season?

[cyan bronze]

seems like a nice capstone for it

[prisma echo]

Guys is there still any cheese 🧀 strategy for 3rd boss grim batol?

[urban portal]

no storm of steel is really bad

it gives you 1 more ravager per key essentially

[tribal wharf]

both of them are really bad

one does basically nothing

the other does LESS damage

[jagged gust]

Dance of Death is an embarrassment of a talent node, and yeah without some sort of built in CDR to Storm of Steel you're dropping damage from every single ravager to get 1 additional cast. The extra rage is nice, but it's just an overall DPS loss, even if the damage wasn't reduced there aren't any talent points available to take it without losing something worth more

[cyan bronze]

is the extra rage gen not worthwhile

[urban portal]

nope

[pallid quiver]

Especially in comparison to what you'd have to give up to get the point

The entire middle row is hard non-negotiable hard locked, and SC+Bulwark is needed for SB uptime, sooooo

[inner wren]

Does the wall hug not work anymore or something?

[pallid quiver]

If you were to go bolster to try and grab it, you lose out on the damage and the stop tied to shield charge, which is likely more of a gain than anything the rage would give you

[cyan bronze]

yea thats fair

oh LOL

its less damage

[pallid quiver]

Unless the fight only lasts like 30 seconds 🙂

[cyan bronze]

i read it as +30% rav dmg

[scarlet stone]

Man didn’t read the tooltip, came here and asked, didn’t read the replies then finally realized it does less damage.

[cyan bronze]

i read tooltip

just dsylexic

[jagged gust]

Well I'm glad you came here to confirm

[pallid quiver]

yo this guy ain't one of us, he can read!

[warm apex]

What do yall like having Avatar macored to, if it all?

[gusty saffron]

hello! new as warrior, how doables are delves t8 as 580? ther eis any chance to solo it?

[coarse ginkgo]

Anything is possible, going to be a skill check.

[gusty saffron]

Well as 580 as mage you cant do some bosses

and as rogue you can easyli with tricks

[coarse ginkgo]

I guess try it out and see what you find out.

[gusty saffron]

Ye wanted to avoid wasting 30 mins

to see the boss is not doable as prot warrior 580

[jagged pier]

did em in less at launch

[pallid quiver]

100% all soloable as prot by then; di

[jagged pier]

u dont

[pallid quiver]

ye what jakey said

[coarse ginkgo]

I mean wouldn't it depend on the delve as well if you want to be like that.

[gusty saffron]

nice. will try then

[warm apex]

👍

[gusty saffron]

i guess brand is healer

[coarse ginkgo]

Yeah just try, don't worry about min maxxing 30 mins and have fun.

[gusty saffron]

Delves are not fun 🙂

Not for me at least

[coarse ginkgo]

You going to do it anyway.

[gusty saffron]

Delves are the best way to equip an aleter

with no friends

[coarse ginkgo]

Yeah I guess if you want to min/max.

[tribal wharf]

gunna have a myth item of some variety

[coarse ginkgo]

Nice!

[fresh kernel]

is there a list of what i can reflect in raid out there

[timid nacelle]

Hey guys, considering race change to dracthyr from nelf? Are the additional stops worth it?

[torpid briar]

anyone know anything about the BRD trinkets for tanking?

[jagged pier]

they bad

[tribal wharf]

i dont want to write any of them off but i would assume they are bad

[coarse ginkgo]

Check the pins.

[blazing condor]

[torpid dome]

hmm bit more haste, or bit less haste + socket

[fresh kernel]

ah there's a tab for the raid in there, nice!

thanks broski

[tribal wharf]

really tempted to catalyze it

due to shit helm i have

[torpid briar]

it's gonna be the same item if you catalyze it

[tribal wharf]

next track with a socket

but not hero

is my point

[torpid briar]

i mean yeah? obvisuly

[tribal wharf]

yeah, im having a hard time waiting on vault with hero/myth helmet... lol

[echo storm]

Yo guys. Are we bugged or nerfed? Logged in today to tank my weekly’s.
Seems like I can’t survive a 10 key now 😄 last week everything easy clap or healers don’t heal prot warrs anymore?

[wooden widget]

Isn’t that an 8?

[jagged pier]

literally nothing changed

[tribal wharf]

ya, 8 gives myth in vault doesnt it?

pretty sure they changed it

or do i have to keep going

[jagged pier]

nope 10

[tribal wharf]

oh ya

well shit, i dunno if i will be getting full myth gear this season

[scenic bough]

Hey everyone, looking to start tanking, is mdt a good addon to learn routes? Can i download optimal routes through that addon? tia

[tribal wharf]

yes but no

its good if you know how to use it

end of the day you develop a hold W strat in 90% of dungeons anyways and do the things

[scenic bough]

Just trying to see how everyone makes sure you have percentage by the end of the dungeon

[tribal wharf]

if you want to be painstaking about the route, mdt is your thing

[pallid quiver]

The easiest way to make sure you have percentage is to open up MDT, check the last mobs you need/are going to hit in a dungeon and see how much percent they give

And just make sure you have enough percent by that point

[tribal wharf]

i use it alot to draft routes, but its by no means nessecary

[pallid quiver]

Ultimately, you need to kill most of the mobs in almost all the dungeons in current pool, so you can kinda hold W through most of them

It's also not really that big of a deal if you go over unless you're planning on pushing biy boy and girl keys

as in like 13s, 14s and the like

[tribal wharf]

if you and team of pugs are really really really astute, with no addons could time a 10 by hold W and coolddowns on cooldown

[scenic bough]

haha aight cool thanks everyone

[vague crown]

does anyone know if any of the trinkets from brd are any good?

[tribal wharf]

not overly good no

if i had to rank them, in a vacuum

or like, if you had to take them cuz you had no other gear

[chilly brook]

^take this with an extreme grain of salt because it’s Yogi

[barren oar]

anyone mind sharing their nw route on mdt

[tribal wharf]

your gunna deal 225k fire dmg, so it probably gets partially absorbed

at best case, no

[remote tusk]

i like hand of justice, procs a lot

same for the ring

[vague crown]

thanks for the chart

[remote tusk]

but stats are badge

[tribal wharf]

dont take that chart seriously btw

just a personal thing that i think about them

[hard wolf]

Hey guys been trying to decide between those 3 trinkets Quickwick Candlestick Skyterror's Corrosive Organ and Sikran's Endless Arsenal. All of them at 623 any recommendations?

[rare otter]

Hi, asking for a bit of help, on the last trash in Ara Kara i run out of ways to get out of the slow from the last mobs, any tips>

[tribal wharf]

candle stick is F tier, sikrans is pretty good but not the best, unsure about sikrans, i heard its middle

[smoky anvil]

Avatar, totem from sham, freedom from pal, heroic leap

Being slowed is fine, getting hit by webs isn’t.

Can get uppies from an evoker

[rare otter]

yeah its getitng out of the webs thats the problem

avatar, leap, intervene. then i die

[jagged gust]

You mean the avoidable swirlies? oh im dumb, didn't read you said trash

[rare otter]

yeah the trash packs just before the end, the drones put the stacking snare then the white circles come and i cant move out

[halcyon dust]

Intervene, leap, etc

[crisp portal]

When you start getting up into keys around 11 or 12 what are options to drop so you can get Battle Scarred Veteran? Everything seems to good to go or you can't drop it because of pathing.

[smoky anvil]

Ravager, typically, is what I’ve seen. Personally having done 5/8 11s timed, I don’t think BSV is needed. I’ve tried 2 12s and the bricking offenses weren’t my dying either. Not quite sure it’s worth considering till higher.

[crisp portal]

I had been dropping ravager. seemed the best option. Agree 11 probably doesn't need it. I do tend to play safe on survival though so sometimes it's good to have it there. Only done a couple of 11s so far as this is an alt. Thanks

[naive hatch]

yeah drop ravager for BSV. not needed at 11 but definitely comfy and ravager does like no damage anyway (3% of my overall for a key)

[smoky anvil]

Ravager’s for rage more than dam tbh.

[naive hatch]

are you ever out of rage though

[smoky anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Haven’t done true cutting edge shit so I don’t have a true dog in the race on use BSV or not.

But saying that it’s low dam doesn’t mean much when the dam is secondary to rage for helping your mit. That’s all.

[tribal wharf]

only champion but i got it

[marble night]

those little jumper fucks at 1st pull mists, can they still be purged/mass dispell like in SL?

[naive hatch]

ya

[marble night]

bet ty

[jagged girder]

Leap, avatar, leap, avatar, and so on. Just save your avatar for that

[scarlet stone]

Intervene, leap, avatar, and freedom/tiger's externals. Warrior is by far the easiest to negate that mechanic.

infinite options

[rotund raven]

ive been running MT in keys but are people running Colossus in high keys ?

[wet bone]

no

[severe moon]

Nah, always thane

[rotund raven]

okay cool ty

[winged grail]

Any tips? Was heavily struggling with aggro in this +9 nw. Still managed 91% sb uptime but was spamming revenge to try and hold aggro inbetween tc/ss. And actually lost aggro after gathering and securing the mobs once

Almost have enough to craft my 636 shield, just started 8s/9s last night

I'm assuming 400k dps just cant keep up with the 3mill dps spikes they had

[austere storm]

anyone play pally, war and/or dk? currently playing blood in 10-11s and looking to level another tank. thoughts on pally vs war compared to dk in terms of ease of learning gameplay and effectiveness?

[winged grail]

Pally seems to have more utility/damage and more pug friendly. But pwarr is untouchable at the top of being the most "tanky" imo

[scarlet stone]

Your rotation is likely completely off, if I had to guess you're struggling to get your kicks and up instead losing out on your rotaiton so setting up macros for focus kicks or mouseovers will help you a lot. Assuming it's not simply a lack of knowledge on the rotation itself that you might also want to look up.

[jagged gust]

Yeah that damage is quite low for a nw

[scarlet stone]

Gear is obviously not great but you should be pulling 750-900k before gear comes in to play.

[winged grail]

Interesting, my dmg is very low huh

[scarlet stone]

You're doing below half of what you'd want.

more thunderblast and SS, less revenge. Avatar every 40s

[jagged gust]

and damage directly correlates to threat

[winged grail]

whats the dmg based off of? Our 1h weapon?

or a certain stat

[scarlet stone]

It's not your geart

[winged grail]

outside of rotation

[scarlet stone]

Your gear accounts for like 10%

[winged grail]

ik im still rocking my 606

ahh I see

[austere storm]

is pally mitigation that far behind pwar after the buff they got? currently playing dk so both will likely feel tankier

[winged grail]

You don't play pally for defense imo, you play it to be a team player and have big dam

A lot of top players rn playing pally's where the higher keys its more about having the offense to clear rather than defense with a aug evoker. I seen them pull the most insane pulls 5x of what I would think is a big pull and barley time a +16

pwarr defense is just in a tier of its own though, its far above everything else imo

Bdk for raiding, Pally or Pwarr for M+. I've seen a good amount of pwarrs do both raiding and M+

very very low pally parses rn for mythic raiding

pally dmg/healing rn is stupendous though

prob closest thing to bdk

[austere storm]

those big pulls only possible on pally with aug? and pally dps gives it the edge on killing the pack before it kills the group?

one of the things that drew me to blood was self sustain so thats why im kinda interested in pally

[winged grail]

Not confirmed but id imagine ppl just play pally to have big dam

[austere storm]

but i dont want to play another tank that will be fighting for their life all the time

[winged grail]

pwarr doesnt need self sustain, they just dont take dmg if played right

big obstacle to overcome switching from a self sustaining tank imo. I played bdk into druid, got bored of druid played pwarr

struggled with it until I got more haste and moved some keybinds around, now im pretty unkillable

if your draw to your next character is to get away from the fight for your life aspect of self sustaining tank as bdk

then pwarr is the 100% complete opposite

pally would be a upgrade to bdk in M+, downgrade in raid

but similar

honorable mention that pally unlike bdk but similar can also kick a ridiculous amount of times and heal/dispell party rather than self only as bdk

[austere storm]

hmm i only play m+ so the raid considerations are moot

[winged grail]

I mean if your a M+ only player chasing the meta (like myself) then id say pally just caught up to druid in S tier with pwarr remaining in S+ tier

with the next patch notes not nerfing warrior

between druid pally and pwarr id say feel out what feels best if rerolling specifically to be a better M+ tank

[main vault]

Warrior is deffo better than druid

[winged grail]

and pally

in M+ and raiding imo

[main vault]

Pally probably the best if you are willing to put in the effort

having a 4th DPS is a big advantage

[graceful kite]

Pally is good because it actually has utility

[winged grail]

Being unkillable has its advantages also for obvious reason

[graceful kite]

As in you can do all cc shit meanwhile saving your whole group in weekly pugs

For normal level people obv

[main vault]

being unkillable is only an advantage if other tanks are dying at the same level

being tanky is great but, at a point dps is good too

[winged grail]

I think theres a little bit more to it, obv the aug evoker effect etc

[graceful kite]

Are we talking highest keys or normal range keys

[winged grail]

its ones own personal choice

[austere storm]

im not so much a meta chaser, but looks like i'll need to just level both and see what i like to play

on that note, whats the fastest way to level from scratch currently?

[main vault]

both prots are really fun rn

[graceful kite]

I think all tanks are in a spot where you can do everything except for top level keys rn

Play whatever you like

[winged grail]

I've been meaning to try out a pally but I finally hit that breakthough with pwarr when I'm walking into the unkillable stage

and pushing keys

simple on paper but you need a good understanding of kit plus good amount of haste

idk if pally would ever reach that lvl no matter how good you are defense wise

[main vault]

pally has the highest keys rn

[winged grail]

warrior has the highest rating

overall

but yes pally is up there when it comes to premade aug evoker keys

when dmg is a issue in +16-17

and tbh a lot of those pally keys was a pwarr main who prob just switched to pally in the moment of buffs for view and clout

but not taking anything away from pallys at all, there in a good spot. big dam

[main vault]

two highest pallys were playing before

[winged grail]

yoda holding 2 highest keys rn

[austere storm]

been watching yoda but he doesnt play blood much these days 😦

[winged grail]

was the pwarr main I mentioned

[main vault]

he was a pally main tbh

[graceful kite]

Log would be nicw

[winged grail]

yeah I didnt want to burden someone

[graceful kite]

But generally revenge spam is cringe

[winged grail]

but if someone asked I would have been happy for sure

[graceful kite]

Your dps is very low

[winged grail]

Agreed

i'm coming out of my perfecting the defense rotation

and stepping into the zone of feeling comfortable to dps

[main vault]

best thing about tanking

[graceful kite]

Best warrior dps rotation is the best defensive rotation

So youre doing something wrong

[main vault]

doing the optimal dps usually means rage/mitigation generation

which is the best defensive

[winged grail]

I would agree that kicks I hyperfocus on now also, i'm still in the learn all kicks and what every mob does to the tee phase

those guys have 15ilvl on me and I was out kicking/interrupting

[graceful kite]

Do you priorotize shield slam and thunder blast, do you use cooldowns on cooldown?

[winged grail]

could be throwing off my rotation some

[graceful kite]

Do you use a custom build?

[winged grail]

I try to 100%

i've gone back to the ss reduces sb by 1sec rather than the haste

and lowered some haste with some new rng gear

feels 100x better

[main vault]

sounds a bit sus tbh

[winged grail]

lowering the haste was unintentional and did not mean to include that as a package statement

[graceful kite]

Ilvl>secondary

[winged grail]

I mean im rocking a 580 piece still so im getting what I can you know

[jagged gust]

Well HR is the right choice when low haste, and ilvl is ilvl so sometimes you lose too much haste when swapping gear with unwanted secondaries

[graceful kite]

Send a log if you want detailed advice

[winged grail]

kk can I dm it?

[graceful kite]

Yea if you dont want to send it here

I can look at it in 15 minutes prob

Btw if youre greedy like me theres a tip

[lament zealot]

Any of the BRD tank trinkets good/better than swarm lords?

[graceful kite]

Dragonflight gems give 50% of tww stats but obly cost like 3 gold

[main vault]

nothing is better than Swarmlord

[graceful kite]

Mark and transmitter

Or larynx

[main vault]

that sounds like a poor man take

[graceful kite]

Why would you want swarmlord

Unless youre a sweaty +15 pugger

[graceful kite]

Heroic leap, avatar, intervene to ranged player

[winged grail]

if you download warcraft logs app does it make the process easier?

I havent been logging bc I was still learning character, its been awhile

[graceful kite]

Yep

[winged grail]

do you have to have overwolf up to run it?

[graceful kite]

And make sure to toggle advanced combat logging in network options

Umm

No?

[winged grail]

My cpu isnt the greatest, upgraded gpu but havent got around to the rest lol

[jagged gust]

only if you want to live log

[graceful kite]

I dont have overwolf so probably not

[main vault]

dont need overwolf to live log

[jagged gust]

iunno, overwolf opens when i open the log companion, and the log companion closes when i exit overwolf

theres a standalone edition?

[graceful kite]

I think there is a dl link with and without overwolf

Atleast it was like that for curseforge

[winged grail]

I couldnt find it on there website

if there was a stand alone version

[graceful kite]

Ah yea another advice

Delete elvui

It crushes performance

Literally 30-90 fps

[winged grail]

really??

[jagged gust]

me running elvui with 40fps

[graceful kite]

Especially raidframes and nameplates

[winged grail]

I dont even use there raidframes or nameplates

[graceful kite]

I told my guildie to uninstall after he got 40 fps on queen

[winged grail]

I just liked seeing my fps at the bottom

[graceful kite]

And hes a stable 90+ raid fps enjoyer now

[winged grail]

no shot

thats crazy

I dont even use it for anything spec tbh. I hide all my action bars

[graceful kite]

I have 130-160 fps wo elvui and 60 with elvui in raid

[winged grail]

wtf

so if I disable it in add ons I should see the difference?

[graceful kite]

It just became bad around shadowlands

[winged grail]

you set me up XD

[graceful kite]

Inefficient and bloated with dumb ideas

Like running functions every cycle of your cpu to check if there are alts of developers in chat and color their names in rainbow colors

[jagged gust]

I meant to say 60, 40ms*

[winged grail]

now Idk how to check fps

now that ive turned it off

[graceful kite]

Ctrl r

[jagged gust]

Good news, there's an fps tracker in elvui

[graceful kite]

Biggest elvui offense outdoor is freezing while dragonriding in cities

[winged grail]

15 fps higher in city

while shaking my camera like crazy and jumping

thats disgusting tbh

[graceful kite]

It was very good before tho

Always a hope someone forks it and cuts off the bloat

[winged grail]

tbh elvui has been exhuasting to me since the moment I tried setting it up

even when I got it perfect ui wise it still was iffy to me

seeing the exact ilvl/on each gear in character is the only real plus I can think of

any tips on this?

not sure what its asking me here

[graceful kite]

To choose a log file

If you logged your rub

[winged grail]

how do I just start fresh and start live logging

itll save that somewhere for me to go pull from right?

[graceful kite]

Logs folder

Inside wow folder

[graceful kite]

Just toggle advanced combat logging in wow network options

[winged grail]

got them both already

[graceful kite]

Youve got 4 on the bottom

[winged grail]

interesting, I should upload those to see what they are

[winged grail]

how do I name them and put them in a seperate folder? or just haevt to look out for it

[pulsar goblet]

Hey guys im looking to try tanking. i know people get upset about routes. Is there an addon/weakaura that will point out the routes for me or is it a memory thing

[frail ibex]

The addon is to tell people to cry more when they complain

[pulsar goblet]

xD

[inland raft]

Tbh routing is far less important then used to be

Still ideal routes but its not like before with all sorts of skips etc

[frail ibex]

I had a tank main that was on dps get mad at me for a shammy using earth ele in wake

cause he got cleaved down

Then he started saying my route was shit because of something I couldnt control

[chrome rivet]

dont bother, shit people will always be a thing

just wave and smile

try ur best, look at what routes the good players are using and try to utilize them with urself

obv dont do mdi pulls

but at least know what mobs and how many u pull

[inland raft]

Dont pull a hundred casters at once in a pug and youll be fine

[chrome rivet]

thats also a very good starter

[sharp gale]

And don’t pull the insanity pulls like in siege after second pack, pulling left and door pack

People (like me) just leave when you see some crazy shits in linked routes

[quartz meteor]

this pack is fine. just kill it in 2 seconds. or before the singing steel or whatever that is called is casted on you

[winged grail]

Mythic dungeon tools and use the weekly routes from raider.io. You can import them like wa's

You'll have to learn to not gather some mobs at first until you get geared

https://raider.io/news/673-the-weekly-route-ascendant-fortified

[pulsar goblet]

Thank you this is what i was looking for!

[brittle tendon]

when do you guys typically leap out of cosmic singularity on last boss of arakara?

i've been messing up the leap nonstop

[jagged gust]

~.9 seconds left on the cast

gotta thread the needle on it

[tawdry cloak]

wait in the pull in until you see your character do a little jump. That's the last pull in, and you're safe to jump out

[brittle tendon]

yeah i heard about the jump part but that seems dicey to me

maybe i'll try that again

[winged grail]

thoughts on best shield embell? I see kira rocking vers and other rocking dbl embell of the other embell

first craft

[winged grail]

a few characters can do this, its very sketch lol

[brittle tendon]

do you still jump if you're in the singularity?

[winged grail]

yes

it bounces you basically

[brittle tendon]

ah ok i just cna't see it then

[winged grail]

and you have like .3seconds

to get out

after

idk if it one shots a pwarr though, ive never tried on my tank

[sharp gale]

It does one shots you at some point yes

I know monks, dk, mage, rogues can do it too, maybe more

[winged grail]

dk's are just immune to being pulled in

my mains a evoker and I can dash out at the perfect timing, but I got caught once on a +10 and said id never do that again

when theres no interrupt in that boss fight and you can interrupt out of the blob cc

[sharp gale]

The perfect timing on all the classes who can’t immune grabs is the little jump you do

[winged grail]

yeah its risky for sure

am I missing something? I upgraded my 619 shield to 636 and only got 2% more reduced dmg while blocking

and like .10% of other things lol

[sharp gale]

Seems alright to me

[winged grail]

idk why I was hyped up like the shield was huge gains XD

just spent like 35k also

allg ik its our biggest gains gear wise so its a good thing

[sharp gale]

Damn that’s expensive (i spent 80-90 k on the shield)

[winged grail]

yeah I was exaggerating, I spent like 25kish more than likely

perks of being on top server, everything cheap and theres a million crafters so expectations are low

[sharp gale]

In a universe where you boost nm raid you get 100k

It’s cheap

[winged grail]

wow tokens like 350k rn

[mortal brook]

eyir socks

what the heck

eyir sucks

@strong forum where did you put eyir

[barren oar]

just puged my last 11 it was nw. did the mdi gatekeeper pull with another big gatekeeper pull right after. got to give it to pugs theyre not as bad as before

[restive oak]

gtz

[clear crest]

Went to a palace hc pug yesterday. VDH as other tank. 1st boss went fine and then came the 2md boss....

1st pull: vdh aims the beam straight into our group and adds, but we dodge. 2nd beam cuts us off from other harbinger and then when it's his time to go down again, he doesn't taunt and wipes half the raid. Blames me ofc

2nd pull: Beams go better, but now he just taunts the boss with the debuff and wipes his own group. Still blaming me

./rant

[round pendant]

Yup, that sounds like raid tanking in pugs!

that's why I retired!

tank m+, dps for raid

this is the way

[clear crest]

Yeah! I was just trying to get a trinket for my alt m+ tank. Stuck on veteran trinket atm

[sharp epoch]

i have sac, swarmgland, and swarm lords at 626, do i go sac + gland? or sac + swarm lords

[jagged gust]

swarmlord is good if you need a little more haste to push you in to itf territory

If you don't need it I'd just try to find an overall better trinket to pair with the sac

[inner jungle]

too add on above question, i have sac + swam or mark of khardos, khardos could be 639, but I was getting told by healer friend that it's a noticeable difference for them when i use the 'dps' trinket, I would prefer the runs to go smoother, but would me doing a shit ton of damage > tankier?

[teal atlas]

do i stay as tauren xD

[soft mason]

What Haste rating are people swapping to ITF with?

[urban portal]

30% from rating

[jagged pier]

no

40% unbuffed

[soft mason]

I am nowhere close lol

What ilvl are people able to do this at? Like 630?

[cunning berry]

May I ask do we have a anything anywhere Detailing Trinkets? I know looking at the WoWHead post its basically just throwing Mad Queens and Sac

Apologies I did just see in FAQ we have a gear section Sighs I am a bit dumb lol

[jagged pier]

i mean i dont see how wearing them makes a difference for your healer, swram does something but not much of anything really so i would say khardos, but if wearing a defensive trinkets make u play better through placebo then run it

[jagged gust]

It's really dependant on what stats are on your gear, you need almost exclusively haste gear at lower ilvls and still quite a bit at higher ones to reach the mark

[inner jungle]

i'll fully stick to khardos, I re-read the wowhead trinket explanations, and since my khardos is on myth track, i'd rather just get good at that, thanks!

[jagged gust]

My average healing is a little under 100k from my damage taken, your healer shouldn't be struggling outside of an "oh shit" moment

[inner jungle]

it's whispers in my ear and i started doubting, that's bascailly it

[jagged pier]

which swarm trinket is it?

[inner jungle]

swarmlords authority

[jagged pier]

yer thats what 3-4 mill or somthing

compared to just IP in a normal pull that nothing

[sweet summit]

i had enough (35% before itf) at 627

[jagged gust]

619 with a whole lotta luck 🙂

sikran neck having 5k worth of haste helps a lot

[fiery gale]

With flask, mana oil and food?

[sweet summit]

yae

[jagged gust]

actually this week specifically with the haste affix you can go itf a lot earlier

[violet ginkgo]

In the meantime I haven’t even see rare things in vault ever (cloak/neck/ring)

[ebon sparrow]

I have a few questions regarding my gear. I am on eu horde side but I won’t be online until tonight. I know simming is the way to go , any tips?

[violet ginkgo]

Get lucky on the gear drop/roll first.

[sweet summit]

this question is way too vague, could you specify?
like generally just ilvl>>haste>crit>=vers>mastery. ring/neck you can drop some ilvl for haste and trinkets are case by case but wowhead as a list.
otherwise, if you just want to maximise damage you can sim yourself

[strong forum]

In this household we crit

[violet ginkgo]

Because there is critcake in the house? 😂

[tribal wharf]

i go for haste because

GAS GAS GAS im gunna step on the gass,

[mild river]

Hey guys...how much dps overall are you guys doing in a 12? I just did my first 12 in time (GB) and i did 873k overall (no deaths). Using sac + defensive trinket

[brave jackal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QGWawbf1qrVMDYgh

can someone check my logs and advice me with pointers? Don’t check the NW because it was a mess 😅 check others

[ebon sparrow]

I will post things later today

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-w0ZZovgCDI

someday they are going to add a ufo cash shop in the game, 10million dollars, unlocks everything in the entire game, all acheivements and transmogs and collections

[silent sphinx]

i know moutain thane is better

but demolish just feels good to use

seeing that big ol smack

[tender reef]

Then you know wrong 😒

[tender reef]

I'd buy it on my second account 🙂

[tribal wharf]

i think the people belly aching are just making a big scene of it for nothing

90$ that you can get with in game farmable currency and if you dont have it "U R TEH POORZ EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GET AWAY FROM ME"............. meanwhile 500usd league skin 6 months or so ago now ? lol

and it has a mailbox, so this is gamebreaking never before seen, ingore the racials and engineering stuff

i mean shit, if you gave your wife/husband, 20th anniversary gift, a brand new 2025 tesla with wifi alexa etc, they'd be happy too, probably makes sense after that long

[molten gorge]

Absolutely genius from Blizzard ngl

It's gonna easily be their most profitable mount ever

(Excluding China stuff obv since that's NetEase)

[gusty saffron]

hello

Got a noobie question, new as tank, should i run some plater/wa/addon to make my life easier?

saw the reflect ones on pins

but no more

guess something about agro

[sharp gale]

It’s as you want, you need some infos but it’s preference

[gusty saffron]

I mean playing healer with no mouse over is a little bit....

Or rogue with platger tha hide poisons

[sharp gale]

Basically be able to know shield block duration, shield block cd, be able to see shield slam resets quickly, but it’s as you want

You can enable basic wow combat ui (the thing under your character) I think it gives the minimum

[rocky nexus]

damn, actually giga protip:D gna use it for work aswell since i gotta snip stuff all the time xD

[pastel geyser]

Is the mailbox rly the selling point? I think having a portable ah is the better thing if you didnt play bfa or got the other bruto back then. There are mailboxes legit everywhere and quite a few mailbox toys

[sharp gale]

The selling point is just the AH, no one has the AH mount, no one is a black market rat, 10 m is a crazy amount of gold to have on you for a mount

[rocky nexus]

btw guys, is it intentional that you can use molten furnace at the same time with any other on use trinket or what?

[pastel geyser]

I still think its pretty funny its double the price of the expansion lol

[rocky nexus]

its weird to be able to pop both trinkets at the same time

[strong forum]

Tbf the mount will be useful for longer than the expansion

[pastel geyser]

Sure but i dont think thats an argument lol

[sharp gale]

It’s cheaper than what 99% of players actually paid to play 3 more days of WQs

[strong forum]

I couldn't personally quantify how much the mount should/would be/is worth

[pastel geyser]

Indeed wow players are the real whales

Or should i say blizzard

[strong forum]

In either gold or money

It's a crazy good thing to have on hand especially combined with the mailbox

Cuz getting the mailbox toys is a serious grind I'm not willing to make myself

[pastel geyser]

Next thing they need a pet that transforms into any proff table

[sharp gale]

The highest amount that you could sell it, that’s it. Now they can try over 100$ mounts

[pastel geyser]

The nokhud bird?..

[strong forum]

Yeah idk how to get it

Never bothered

[pastel geyser]

Like

Rep with centaurs

[strong forum]

Yeah

Fuck that

[pastel geyser]

Play dragonflight

[sharp gale]

Yeah fuck reps

[pastel geyser]

Is all that took lol

[strong forum]

Bro im like renown 9 with em

[pastel geyser]

I never farmed rep or did any grind and i have it

[sharp gale]

Im still 8 all reps in TWW

[strong forum]

I played all of dragonflight

Cba reputation grinds

[pastel geyser]

I think just turning in the trophies u randomly got every now and then was enough

So you REALLY cant call it a grinf

[sharp gale]

I have 69 wow streak on discord, I will not touch reps if it is not for gear

[strong forum]

Yeah I just deleted the trophies

[pastel geyser]

[sharp gale]

= DELETE when full bags

[strong forum]

At one point I had like 180 or so of em

[pastel geyser]

Thats on you then lol

[strong forum]

Miss me with the currency bloat

[pastel geyser]

I can imagine how your guys’ bags look by these statements

[marble sundial]

league ftp, wow is subbed and purchased, different case

[strong forum]

15-20 different random tokens in my bag

That just eat space

[sharp gale]

Like the marks, the orange circly ones

[strong forum]

From DF alone

[sharp gale]

Idk what it was for

[strong forum]

Mine are clean af

Only combat items and offspec gear

Rest gets deleted

Or sold

[pastel geyser]

I mean yiu really cant call passively getting rep with a faction an insane grind when you actively delete the rep items u get for free

Thats just so funny

[strong forum]

Cuz I don't care about reputations

[sharp gale]

What gives passive rep in TwW ?

[pastel geyser]

Delves when u did them

[sharp gale]

[marble sundial]

speaker of machine or w/e weekly

[sharp gale]

We said passively

[pastel geyser]

And the weeklies that take 10 min

I was talking about the currencies im df tho

[strong forum]

Yeah that's not time I'm willing to spend on it

[pastel geyser]

The titan fragments and centaur trophies

Shit u go to a vendor and turn in 5 seconds

[edgy panther]

Is prot warr still the beat tank?

[pastel geyser]

Its worth just doing spider weekly to max weaver for crafting speed buff this expac tho

Insanely good

[strong forum]

Yeah I don't do professions either

[pastel geyser]

Damn what a boring player

[strong forum]

Never was

[pastel geyser]

[strong forum]

I play to press buttons, not to play house 😄

[edgy panther]

So what was druid?

[pastel geyser]

Sure but running m+/raid 24/7 would fry my brain

[sharp gale]

my bag is hell

[pastel geyser]

[fathom turtle]

swarmlords authority good or not for us?

[strong forum]

It's a mediocre trinket in a see of terrible trinkets

[pastel geyser]

You have 2 random recipes

In there

[strong forum]

There was no "best" tank

[pastel geyser]

Lol

[strong forum]

Sell all those random armor pieces bro

[sharp gale]

cursed mastery idk what it is

[pastel geyser]

Why do you also have 2 unlearned pets

Bro

[sharp gale]

what if sim will tell me to use 554 trinket at some point ?

[strong forum]

It won't

[pastel geyser]

Surely

[strong forum]

Sell everything that is 613 or lower

[pastel geyser]

U use the item recovery service

[tribal wharf]

some of its stuff i need to get rid of buy meh

[sharp gale]

it's a joke x), there is a full pvp set so that 18 green pieces

[tribal wharf]

alot of those items i cant vendor

[strong forum]

Which only scales to 626

[pastel geyser]

Heart of azeroth.. why

[tribal wharf]

i was trying to and did solo ghuun

is why

[sharp gale]

i'm not a pvp guy, idk if being 631 pvp (no pvp gear) is better than full 626pvp gear

[pastel geyser]

What does solo ghun have to di with heart

[strong forum]

But to answer your question properly @fathom turtle ,its paladin now

[pastel geyser]

I thought they made bfa where u can ignore all mechanics

[strong forum]

If paladin can survive keys and doesn't do 0 dmg, it will always be the best tank

That's just how it works

[pastel geyser]

Atleast for nyalotha they did

[strong forum]

It's unparalleled in group usefulness

[pastel geyser]

Well theyre using pala for 17s i saw

The dmg that tank is doing is unreal tho lol

[strong forum]

It always did insane dmg

But people slept on it cuz everyone sucked pwar off, and it was just kinda fucked

It was obv af that prot pally wasn't gonna be left in the dirt

Hence why I called it day1 that pally will be meta

[sharp gale]

tbh i'm really impressed there is not a real bad tank but brew (i listen mordrim every night having copium) / bad like it push team really down

[tribal wharf]

well, i figured i was in BFA so i would probably need it to do more raids like i wanted to do nyalotha

but its removed

[strong forum]

That's been the case since DF s1

[tribal wharf]

last i checked, if you go in without the cloak and heart GG

[strong forum]

There's not been a bad tank since the new talent trees came out

Just some more or less fortunate ones but never bad

No matter what the community wants you to believe

[tribal wharf]

maybe BDK right now but thats about it

dont think i see alot of them

[jagged pier]

but if a tanks not meta its bad

[sharp gale]

is not the "felt in the moment meta", like i think they dont understand pala is no longer shit in 5-7s

and yes they ask for meta comp in 7s

[deft mortar]

That's a big if

Mfs Wall is on 5 min CD and Ardent Defender ain't it

Bros aren't surviving shit

Altho now they can bubble mechanics too and often..

[strong forum]

?

[deft mortar]

I used to have to bubble taunt and than cancelaura

[strong forum]

You realise there are 16s and 17s done with prot pally

[sharp gale]

they have -50% dmg taken under 30% hp every 45 seconds

[deft mortar]

Where that come from lol

[strong forum]

Has been around since DF

They have a plethora of cds they need to rotate

[jagged pier]

a oh the pink wave has come

[deft mortar]

Nice

Fk do bros do in a dung like Temple of the Jadeserpent

No way that lines up as well as AMS or SF still

Maybe AMS does line up badly too tbh

[strong forum]

There is no dungeon like that

Soo

[deft mortar]

I miss it dearly

[strong forum]

Also they were notoriously better

Cuz bubble/spellwarding

[deft mortar]

Them refleccs

[strong forum]

And simply wog

[sharp gale]

they will add a dungeon like tol dagor next season like : tol dagor

[deft mortar]

Wish I could react to this with kekw

Feels like I got a phatt CD for every mechanic as a prot warr it's giga chill

[sharp gale]

i wish they would have the ability to add shrine next season mmmh

[strong forum]

Both of you, out

You have terrible ideas

[deft mortar]

I want one of the MoP CM dungs

All that memory gotta help

[sharp gale]

it's not ideas, it's realisation that the bfa dungeons left are the most atrocious ones and even if they add only 1 bfa dungeon it doesnt grind my gears

[deft mortar]

I can already see the dps deaths in Tol dagor

They gotta disable the canons tho

It was so bad

Bad as in bad design

[sharp gale]

I think they disable canons and change a little bit some bosses canons mechanic (the last eheheh): I love tol dagor

[deft mortar]

I want Plaguefall so I can get a phatt stamina trinket

I gotta hit 20M hp this expac

Maybe 30M

I should reroll guardian and stack mastery for shits and giggles

Anything but a DF dung

Yday I almost couldn't solo CoT first boss at 8 after team died, my last demolish killed the boss and I had 500k hp left only

With BDK it would've been chill

[tribal wharf]

plague fall is that place can go fuck it self for real

i did it once and never again do i want to run that key

[lime willow]

possibly the dung I avoided most in SL

[tribal wharf]

i would do it 1 time and because of trinkets

and thats only it,

it looked like a level out of doom but very very green

like it was trying to be legion dungeon

i mostly hated the boss designs, and how hard some trash is

[ornate thicket]

Prefer it over theatre

[tribal wharf]

theatre best dungeon

[lime willow]

I was new to M+ at the time and I remember the boss mechanics being overwhelming as a squishy hunter

theatre was tight

why they brought mists back out of them all I have no idea

[tribal wharf]

it was a pain in the ass to run but it was very fun dungeon

[lime willow]

I want de other side

[tribal wharf]

the teleporter section gave me more problem than ANYTHING else in all of shadowlands

if they add it back, they teleporters section needs a fix, tuning to how that works

some crap like, 3 players have to attempt to use the gate for 3 seconds, and then the entire team is sent, to ensure nobody gets left behind

[barren basalt]

Can you sim defensive uptime for our shield wall and such? shield block is included but the sim doesn't click wall right

[tribal wharf]

the last boss of theatre in phase 3 is scary ya

[deft mortar]

I think 2x SL dungs first season was enough

1x Cata what's even the 4th non WW dung

[graceful kite]

Sanguine is a pretty good dungeon

It sucked because of sanguine no pun intended

And quaking and other shit affixes

[gusty saffron]

Im also reading pins, and on normal mythic should i loot as dps too?

[graceful kite]

Halls of atonement is a very good dungeons

[gusty saffron]

or just vauklt

[graceful kite]

Just please no spires

[sharp gale]

Hunter are still squishy that’s one of the reason why they are not that good in m+

[faint maple]

I loved spires:)

[violet ginkgo]

I think blizz somewhat not caring that much for warrior and hunter?
I heard from MM community that Dark ranger is bugging so it make a really big parse, then apparently blizz want to nerf DR based on that bugged data.

[sharp gale]

I think they care about warrior a lot more than hunters, BM was (still is ?) atrocious = 100% deplete for 3 month

[grand ingot]

anyone know how i can query a log to see my percentage of blocked hits?

[sharp gale]

Dmg taken and you over hits

[grand ingot]

that includes parry though

[sharp gale]

Sorry I’m on the phone it’s a little bit weird

[jagged pier]

u need to change to website version

on phone

[grand ingot]

its not quite what im after though

those "hits" include parries

i just want to know if im fucking up shield block

[sharp gale]

No it doesn’t

Parry are missed attacks

[grand ingot]

actually you are correct

apologies

[sharp gale]

I have almost my parry chance of % miss

[jagged pier]

u can check parries under the mitigated tab if u want

but u look at total casts it takes of the missed and u get hits

which is what hitting u

[grand ingot]

yep thats mb

i read one event wrong

[violet ginkgo]

yeah but I mean it's about hunter and warrior are like the bottom class aka the class blizz not care about, sure lucky enough we are not at the very bottom but still...

[sharp gale]

Yes we could be monks

[grand ingot]

so if i see in logs i had SB up but didnt block it means my positioning was bad?

[jagged pier]

yes

or its unblocable

[stiff plover]

is there any approximate of how many ilvls is leech worth it?

[jagged pier]

0

[stiff plover]

even for non main stat pieces like neck?

[jagged pier]

depends what stats are on the 2 necks

but still pretty much 0

[stiff plover]

right

thanks

🙂

[sharp gale]

Oh I saw a sub rogue yesterday in m+ I thought I was hallucinating

[grim grotto]

am i doing soemthing wrong, when my shieldblock cd is ready in 2-3 seconds and my shieldblock is up for maybe 5 sec left ? . i eman.. its pretty close everytime. cant i hold it on like 10+ seconds?

[sharp gale]

It’s an off gcd, so yes you could extend shield block duration with shield slam if you play heavy repercussion (which you should if you start), and press shield block between 2 gcd

[grim grotto]

ah i see. i play into the fray all the time

but i like the haste .. hmm

[sharp gale]

If you don’t have 35%+ baseline haste you can’t

[graceful kite]

probably a crime in some countries

[lyric nebula]

cheers, i am new lvl 80 prot, what do i craft for the embellishments and what pieces?

[graceful kite]

if you dont mythic raid craft a shield

if you mythic raid but cant loot a shield anyways craft a shield

[grim grotto]

how much stats it is? do u know that maybe? im around 14k and have 27%

[torpid dome]

Im at 90 gilded's, if the vault is bad this week I'll craft a max ilvl shield I guess

[lyric nebula]

okay 😄

[sharp gale]

Around 20k

[grim grotto]

so .. i only can play into the fray, when i have baseline 35% haste? becasue of what ? is it easier to extend the sb uptime ? based on what mechanic

[violet ginkgo]

but attacks from adds mostly blockable right? or do we have to care for certain adds?

[sharp gale]

Basically you can’t play into the fray if you don’t have enough haste to maintain shield block, and I think it’s 35%

[graceful kite]

you can play it below on this week's affix iirc

cuz haste

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s true

Im at 78% haste on affix

[violet ginkgo]

minimum 40 unbuffed I heard

[sharp gale]

Might be that yes, I’m gnome so I have 1% free and I flask haste

[grim grotto]

crazy . last time i didnt played into the fray i was like ... losing aggro after charge 😄 i attacked in slowmo

so i guess we dont use unique gem color for the primary socket. instead we use just haste + vers/crit ?

[sharp gale]

It’s weird you shouldn’t lose aggro after thunderblast

[deft mortar]

Never had aggro issues as a prot warr

Actually once I had it

[torpid dome]

must say sometimes this happens to me with a DH if the DH bursts within 5 seconds after pull

[grim grotto]

tbh i have a ret pal premade who bursts everytime 😄

[deft mortar]

I pulled with revenge and this arcane mage decided to open with 5M dps on this obscure non-elite mob in melee range

Who turned around and sent the mage to the shadow realm

Just target the goddamn interrupt target mage..

[strong forum]

Around 35% is when ITF starts to become really good

[deft mortar]

Pull packs with hard and fast ngl SC, phatt avatar TB don't even give your dps the chance to think

[strong forum]

It's not "minimum 40"

[tardy abyss]

Never played with a good enhancer I see

[deft mortar]

I never dropped the talent since it came out

I never will

[deft mortar]

Aoe taunt goes brrr

When shit hits the fan

[tardy abyss]

When shit hits the fan the enhancer is dead already

[deft mortar]

Blame healer

[tardy abyss]

[sharp gale]

Yes ofc don’t need to mention AoE taunt but 2 min cd, if you have trouble with aggro it will happen again before 2 min

[deft mortar]

I had a Boomie pop off 10M dsp in SV first 3 packs

And kept aggro somehow

[tardy abyss]

If anything its the enhancers fault for not waiting but blasting 50M+ damage with 2-3 globals

[deft mortar]

Tbh the mobs were hit so hard they didn't have a chance

[icy citrus]

who can tell me, why i cant always pull first eye of queen (city) into mob after 1. boss? sometimes it works sometimes it dont

[sharp gale]

Bugged elem pulled 20 m on a random 2 guardians pack mist in my random vault filling 10

[deft mortar]

LMAO

[tardy abyss]

A few specs can hit 10M on that pull

[sharp gale]

The pack died before the second guardian did anima slash

[tardy abyss]

Survival hunters can get there as well

[deft mortar]

I did 1 demolish on mists first boss for 25M the other day

It died in 1 phase

Bro got fked

[tardy abyss]

yodas group 1-phased that boss in a +17 haha

[deft mortar]

Ele was still pumping 4M ST

[deft mortar]

I hate them for tjat

[tardy abyss]

With the enhancer finishing with 6M dps

[sharp gale]

I play colossus in mist 10 for being over dps in details

[deft mortar]

They gotta make delves have a rating

I'll see those mfs then

Turn the game into dark souls

[tardy abyss]

That would be fun tbh

[deft mortar]

Ngl anything that colossus can survive without having to spam IP, colossus is better

If BV keeps IP full, Revenge spam colossus dps goes hard

[sharp gale]

I appreciate 1.2 m overall in mist indeed

[deft mortar]

Just spamming revenge and pulling 800k hps on packs

[tardy abyss]

meanwhile Pally 😦

[deft mortar]

I'm a Pala hater

Prot Warrior is Omniman and Prot Paladins are those pilots in the jets

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[sharp gale]

Im leveling my pala now that my friend who otp monk told me it’s fun

[deft mortar]

One thing with Prot Palas tho is that their entire kit is almost ranged

And they can go in and out to hit SoR