protection

[strong forum]

as much as you can get

[hoary belfry]

Is the sikran neck even at lfr ilevel worth being kept or is the buff to team mates at that level not enough to justify the big ilvl gap?

[violet ginkgo]

you need as much haste as possible.

[wicked pollen]

how big is the gap

[hoary belfry]

like lfr ilevel vs max lvl craft

[median echo]

quick question... for the 619 crafted, what should we use? thank you in advance

[wicked pollen]

craft the str is too big of a diff

[wicked pollen]

what do you what should we use

[hoary belfry]

but it has no strength or wdym with str?

[wicked pollen]

wait

you right

uh

how much is the stam diff

[median echo]

what piece of gear should we craft?

[wicked pollen]

whatever you are missing or sims the highest

[median echo]

ok so it really doenst matter then? thank you!

[wicked pollen]

i mean it does

[keen scaffold]

Any advice for bigger M+ pulls? I’m popping wall/block/ip and healers can’t really seem to keep up. then I get chirped haha

[pallid quiver]

If you don't need LS to live the hit, which you shouldn't on Heroic but I don't know on Mythic, use after the hit followed by IV to help push off the heal absorb; Feast's heal absorb is based on how much you mitigated, so LS doesn't do anything other than help you live the hit

[pallid quiver]

Generally, it's healer help and properly stopping casts. You should be taking notable amounts of damage from melees, but it shouldn't be slaughtering you

[keen scaffold]

Perhaps I’m expecting too much of a pug and just need to try less

[pallid quiver]

But there could be a lot of things going wrong, and big pulls can mean a lot of things

You could also just be pulling the wrong things when going big

Like if you pull two Overseers in GB without a good plan, you are asking for trouble

[sinful spire]

Are the pros/cons for Colossus/MT written up anywhere?

[violet ginkgo]

so mitigate with shield wall+Demoshout and Spell reflect?

[pallid quiver]

Wowhead's Hero Talents page for Prot War should

[high wyvern]

If u have block / ip / wall up and still dying it means:

• healer not healing
• kick the cast
• you pull the whole dungeon

[pallid quiver]

SR does literally nothing against Feast, as it's 100% phys damage

[keen scaffold]

Thanks for the advice y’all

[high wyvern]

Prot warr should not be dying to dmg this season

[violet ginkgo]

ok so our best bet is wall + demo shout + def stance for that feast

[pallid quiver]

My knee jerk guess is that casts aren't being handled or you're pulling things that should not be pulled together, since those are the more common issues when trying to go big

[high wyvern]

U should always be in def stancr

If ur in battle stance ur trolling

[pallid quiver]

If you start tanking, as a heads up, I believe demo shout just ends up being up for the one Feast you take, as well, if I recall correctly

[pallid quiver]

Valk's talking about raid

Ansurek does no damage outside her tank swap mechs

[high wyvern]

Oh ye i mean if ur offtanking for sure

[pallid quiver]

unless mythic cranks her autos up to ungodly levels

[high wyvern]

Get that 3% crit king

[pallid quiver]

Like even while actively tanking, Heroic Ansurek autos don't hit for shit

[high wyvern]

Even then, most high level tank just perma def stance anyway i think even in raid

Less headache

[pallid quiver]

it's literally one button press at telegraphed points in the fight

[prime gull]

Thank you. Yes, for the first and third cast I use SW. Then I use LS after the second cast

[pallid quiver]

For the non-feasts, the liquefies, you should be using spell block

It works disproportionately well on it

[prime gull]

My Co Tank is a druid. Do you think he should take the Feast Cast or the Prot Warrior?

[pallid quiver]

Due to how spell block works, if you crit block, you can potentially negate almost 100% of the damage

[violet ginkgo]

nah I mean both tank can handle it well? druid got barkskin right

[pallid quiver]

You should start tanking and take the 2 Liquefies and 1 Feast

You handle magic damage, especially burst magic damage, extremely well in comparison to Druid

Even better, the liquefies are almost exactly 1.5 mins apart on Heroic, which is exactly the time between spell block uses

[prime gull]

https://youtu.be/p9ChjtwgdDY?si=v9K-mT7yw552m94U
In this VOD, the Prot Warrior took all 3 Liquefies.
What are the advantages to take 2 Liquefies and one Feast?

[pallid quiver]

easier swapping effort

It makes it so you don't need to finagle taunts in order to make sure hits go off on the people you want

Heroic Ansurek really doesn't hit that hard, but P War can handle the liquefies better than Bear, and Bear can do more to fix the heal absorbs than War

Between health increases + 2 charges of Frenzied Regen + that one def CD that just gives a burst heal

Heck, if they're in Incarn when the feast hits, they can just FR into FR into FR into FR...

So if you can coordinate it, it would be better for you to take all three liquefies, but it's more finagly with managing the aggro part

It's also not that hard, but most pug tanks I've tanked with would have been free-farmed by that

[prime gull]

Thanks for the tips. We are still progging P1 and have for sure more important issues in this phase then the tank hits. But want to min max my part as good as I can 😊

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, really, as long as you don't die, it's literally up to the healers/DPS to get you through the fight

you have almost no influence as to how a pull goes

[jagged gust]

Queen is a P1 boss without a doubt

[carmine plover]

am i being gaslit by a dps or is the subjugate tank buster on city of threads first bust spell reflectable?

my wa doesn't say it is, nor does the spreadsheet

[violet ginkgo]

as in after the p1 and the p1.5 everything will be easy?

[prime gull]

2/3 of our Healers are really bad. We assigned to Lay On Hands on me, to make sure the Heal Absorb gets healed... 🙈

[pallid quiver]

You can use SR for the DR

[fallow wind]

Morning all, finally complete my first timed 10, was wonder if i could get some feed back on my performance, I feel that i could of pulled more, but was playing it safe. First time tank here 😄 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cZCQPfJ6kY2NW8yF

[molten gorge]

You can reflect the aoe and it does a lot of dmg

Maybe that's what he means

[carmine plover]

the cast before the move?

[molten gorge]

Ye

[carmine plover]

i see

[molten gorge]

Not the actual tank buster that you have to move out for

[robust urchin]

Bunk THEZE NUTS

[molten gorge]

Present them

[split stratus]

Why taking into the fray over HR when having already high haste ? Why does haste have an impact on SB uptime please ?

[pallid quiver]

You should probably swap to HR over ITF, since you're only blocking 86% of all melee hits in Dawnbreaker, a dungeon notorious for having mobs that just spam cast all the time. You also should probably swap off of the double wall talent, since you're not even using it back to back often, defeating the point of having it. You probably feel that it gives you more shield walls, but that's because you're still wasting a good chunk of rage; you wasted 916 over the course of the dungeon, so 9 entire whole rage bars worth. Your prio for the base rotation appears to roughly be correct, but you just need to press them faster and better; you can comfortably reach above 70 CPM on Prot War, and you're barely sneaking over 60 CPM.

You're also underutilizing your defensive CDs, most notably being spell block, which you only used 8 times in a dungeon where there's a ton of mobs that just sit and spam cast. You also might want to find a way to track violent outburst better, since it's almost half and half between SS and TB/TC, which a lot of those being TC

[pallid quiver]

ITF just gives raw percentage, so it gets better the more haste you have as rating becomes less valuable. And SB is hasted, so its CD is reduced by having haste

[true surge]

hey gusy new protty boy here coming from bdk, last boss ara kara is there a cheest to the suck in? usually just deaths advance it haha. just curious

[onyx moon]

is Mad queens only good in raid?

[cyan bronze]

do the mechanic

[true surge]

ty so much for that info! wasnt my question though :/

[onyx moon]

with a warrior its hit or miss you can leap out of it sometimes not reliable

so just leap too a root

then cc or interupt the root

[cyan bronze]

ig can charge to an add also

and hit it

[pallid quiver]

You have to leap at almost the exact last second, after the very last pulls have gone out

So it's a little tight

[fallow wind]

Thanks for the feed back ❤️

[deft mortar]

its pretty funny that protadins can use most of their spells and just kite a pack while consec slows them

and take 0 dmg

we can kite as well but we can't do the same dmg they do while doing it

[pallid quiver]

We also don't generate resources at range like prot pal can

That's one of their actual strengths is that they can keep their mitigation going at range, unlike pretty much other tank

DKs need melee for Death Strike, Bears work off rage with Mangle/Thrash, Monk needs to keep kicking people with blackout kick to keep shuffle running, and I believe VDH has to be in melee or something

i dunno that class stinky

[main vault]

Prot Pal also has to do triple the effort to do the same things as War

[robust urchin]

Wow warrior bad for 3 days and you guys tripping

[high wyvern]

Who said prot was bad?

[jagged pier]

Same shit different season

[high wyvern]

Still S tier tank

Just cuz pally got buff dont mean we r bad

[main vault]

The wild part is thinking Pally is actually any better. It just does big dmg

[high wyvern]

Prot pally wished they only have to press 2 buttons like us to take 0 dmg

[pallid quiver]

It also can generate resources at range, unlike the other tanks

It's not relevant at the moment, but it's like, a unique factor of the class

[main vault]

Doesn’t make a difference

[pallid quiver]

It mostly would only matter in raid, but like I said, it's not relevant

I'm not at all saying prot pal is better than War because of it

It's like saying DKs bring the unique utility of grips

you can't deny it, and it doesn't really always mean "Oh BDK is better then"

It's just a unique aspect to the class

[main vault]

Ok

[high wyvern]

We technically are getting buffs with execute buffs

[tulip remnant]

Prot Pali also has massive cast control. Which is god tier. If they are too tanky, they are the ONLY good option

Bc being able to pull to a boss, and singlehandedly interrupt every cast for like 10 seconds is wild.

[violet ginkgo]

I just wish our AOE taunt is like 1 min instead of 1 min 30 secs.

[chrome falcon]

hey i dunno if anyone who's actually good at the game is online but

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/twAhNL4TWB81jMCf#fight=last&playermetric=playerscore&type=summary&source=5

here's a 10 i did today if anyone wants to look at it and call me an idiot

i haven't been in here at all recently so i'm just smashing buttons idk if i'm fucking up

83% blocked hits feels a little low?

[violet ginkgo]

83%? no you block 92%

[chrome falcon]

oh am i looking at the wrong section

cool

[alpine goblet]

do you guys think about rerolling dracthyr?

[weak snow]

when you tank a key you havent even played before 😄

[fiery gale]

That’s also checks out with my limited experience trying both. Big dmg but feels weaker / perhaps harder to achieve the same as pwarr

[chrome falcon]

you can't play prot paladin if your dps suck

your run out of CDs and fucking die

[cyan bronze]

from the pallys ive talked to, pally is just squisher

good dmg, good cc, good group util

[split stratus]

Where are you looking at for the 92% ?

[cyan bronze]

its just a good option

[violet ginkgo]

The usual hover on the hits count?

[fiery gale]

Nahh they don’t even look good imo

[cyan bronze]

does avatar of the storm avatar proc not interact w/ immovable object(am aware it isnt played generally, just curious)

[pallid quiver]

smh

About the only kneejerk thing at a quick glance I can give you, Matta, is that you're sending a few too many outbursts on TC; that's a few more that could have gone to SS. I wager they likely could have since you have more outbursts sent on TC over TB, even. You're still definitely popping off, though, so you can feel happy that you've still got it. Blocked hits could eke a little bit up, since you're getting clipped in the back a few times while SB is up, since you onlu have 94.7% blocked with SB up. You're catching tons of interrupts, too, so you're doing really good overall.

I should have sent the smh as its own message for the bit

[chrome falcon]

yeah so one thing i never actually asked

[pallid quiver]

The picture is supposed to be right beneath smh

[chrome falcon]

do we ONLY outburst on TB

is it still bad to outburst on TC in aoe?

[pallid quiver]

Outburst rules are still mostly the same,

So try to avoid outburst on TC specifically unless bungo aoe for damage only

It's fine to send outbursts on TB in AOE, but you'll still mostly send on SS

[chrome falcon]

idk dude i press outburst on TB on aoe and i see the number 8,000,000 on my screen

feels pretty cool

i am insanely overgeared atm for the 10s i do with my friends

i wanna go try some 12s

[fiery gale]

thats the highest IP uptime I ever had lol

[pallid quiver]

You just spend more time against bosses and at times where outburst comes up with you not having TB

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pr9WqGpJLVHjM8Dc#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=4&sourcebuffs=386478

For example, Nome's breakdown in an 11 SV

For outburst casts specifically

[fiery gale]

even avatar 56% thats probably from the procs?

[pallid quiver]

You're doing really well with them still, but it can be slightly optimized

[pallid quiver]

Avatar CD is cycled from Anger Management

That's part of why we cycle rage so much

[fiery gale]

Wdym cycle?

[pallid quiver]

CDR

Every 10 rage spent, second off the CD

[fiery gale]

ah right, yeah

Im only playing pwarr since 2 weeks but I feel like I got used to it pretty good already, feels very nice to play

[fiery gale]

DPS also seems good, in this run above here (8 SV) I had 890k overall DPS

without aug

[hasty mauve]

Hi, I'm quite new to prot warrior and I have trouble with understanding stats on this spec. I'm playing Mauntain Thane and if I understand correctly I should be playing Haste/Vers but I see some warrios putting Crit gems and my question is, are there any stats caps? Or should I sim myself for dmg and just go with what raidbots are showing ?

[robust urchin]

Gain rage

Spent rage

Repeat like a cycle

[chrome falcon]

if you have a ton of haste, crit is good for more damage

vers sucks

go haste/crit

do big dam

[hasty mauve]

for m+ specific ?

[chrome falcon]

either

[hasty mauve]

So why some of those warrios are going 30%haste around 20% vers ?

[chrome falcon]

idk i might be wrong

but

i go haste crit

[chrome falcon]

they might suck

[fiery gale]

Vers is flat damage increase by % (and mitigation by half %). Whether crit or vers is bigger dmg benefit idk but the mitigation part is also pretty nice for non-blockable stuff

[fiery gale]

So that’s 20% more dmg out of the box. Probably 20% crit would be similar?

[chrome falcon]

meh

warrior is already obscenely tanky

[hasty mauve]

Ok thanks

[pallid quiver]

They're both very similar. Crit gives more damage, and they both reduce relatively similar amounts of damage

[eternal urchin]

Hello, I am leveling up a tank for the first time and was wondering if anybody knows of any addons that can help guide me through old dungeons I am unfamiliar with

[toxic pewter]

maybe on youttube or something can watch videos

but honestly most dungeons are just press w and kill stuff

[fast palm]

The vers can help with magic damage mitigation

[astral harbor]

Whats the properly way to Sim DPS to M+ ? Because all my sins Arakara trinket lose XO

[normal kelp]

what flask we using in m+? haste?

[fiery gale]

It’s possible it’s just worse for dmg than whatever you are simming it against

[toxic pewter]

crit is good in m+ because most damage we take are from melee's anyway.. not only does a parry mitigate 100% of an auto attack, it also enables that HP that you would have lost to actually be used toward magic damage

[fiery gale]

BiS gear is only bis when you’re full bis. If not full bis, other items can be better in your particular slot

[violet ginkgo]

maybe you need to repent then, cleanse your sins

[obtuse spindle]

anyone running colossus in M+? thoughts on it?

[dapper walrus]

Who are the best streamers to watch run M+ and get a sense of their prioritization?

I follow quazii but his VODs are subs only

[violet ginkgo]

basically if you are lucky you can catch nome when streaming, or if you are lucky again you can catch critcake become protcake

[main vault]

Like the rotation?

Nom does a good job in the wowhead guide

[violet ginkgo]

I think he want to see in real time

[dapper walrus]

Correct

Anyone who posts M+ runs on YT

*anyone worth watching

[high wyvern]

Only Kira and Yoda consistently post high level keys (15s, 16s)

Actually have footage and logs

Unlike some keyboard warriors

[cyan bronze]

@high enough hastes levels, can you maintain 100% sb w/ dropping enduring defense whilst still running ITF?

[dapper walrus]

Ok cool. Thanks

[high wyvern]

https://youtu.be/LQrYVnvGvvQ?si=zFEjYkE91dqXYnPV

This run was pretty insane

[dapper walrus]

Awesome

That first pull 😯

[high wyvern]

If ur pugging i probs wouldnt pull massively like that

But then again im assuming ur not pugging +16s so maybe u can do it

[marble night]

in yalls overall dmg at the end of the a higher-ish key like 10+, what % of your dam is revenge generally?

i got 3% on my last key im pretty im not revenging enough

[violet ginkgo]

depend if you are colossus or thane.

[marble night]

thane

[violet ginkgo]

"Not revenging enough" probably only valid for colossus, not thane.

[urban portal]

At a very high haste level yes

But that’s not obtainable in an expac

[cyan bronze]

attainable haste levels this season?

[urban portal]

No

[cyan bronze]

ty

[urban portal]

Not even in this expac

Unless they bring back azerite powers

[high wyvern]

You dont need 100% SB to survive though

[cyan bronze]

was curious, its a similar talent to smth vdh drops @ high enough haste levels

[silent cosmos]

Hey guys, did they not fix the Into the Fray talent? It was giving more haste than intended, but it looks like for me it still gives 10% haste instead of 8%

[urban portal]

This is normal

Haste gained is multiplicative

[cyan bronze]

is ED+CB enough for block uptime, or do people generally run bolster aswell when running itf?

[toxic pewter]

depends on how much haste you have

[urban portal]

No one really runs bolster right now

[cyan bronze]

kkty

[urban portal]

I’m surprised about this

Considering spikes never has 100% uptime

[high wyvern]

I would say try ITF for one run, see if u can survive. If not cuz u cant manage SB, then go back

[cyan bronze]

yeah, its just different in use case

[high wyvern]

Ur a tank anyway ur getting auto inv to any keys

HR is def much more simpler and easier to play

But ITF has higher dmg potential

Try both

[dapper walrus]

Not even close. I'm an hpal main just now getting my prot warrior into M0

[high wyvern]

But if ur ITF and u die and brick key cuz cant manage SB, im reporting u

[cyan bronze]

[high wyvern]

For me personally, once im past 30% haste i switch to ITF and has not notice any defensive struggle (yet)

[cyan bronze]

are there any magic tb that honed reflex has any baring upon (19sec timer,vs 20sec timer?)

[high wyvern]

But im only doing 10s and 11s

[molten vault]

I was looking at my details last night and my shield block aura only had like a 67% uptime, but I have a WA that tracks SB and I keep it up near 100% during boss and trash

is it just counting out of combat time as wel?

[cyan bronze]

also, why do people not run overwhelming rage?

am looking @ alot of vods, and people overcap rage(alor)

would overwhelming not just be a defensive gain in that context?

[high wyvern]

From logs i can seen, with ITF you can get between 85-90% SB uptime

You decide whether or not thats worth it

[violet ginkgo]

we run it for raid, not for M+, M+ need the talent point to grab some more utilities.

[cyan bronze]

gotcha

last, is beserker shout castable while feared(havent done mists on my pwar reroll yet) or do you have to cast prior

seems nice for 1st boss mists if its castable while feared, if no sham

[willow musk]

I ain’t got room for all these damn key binds

[violet ginkgo]

castable while feared

[cyan bronze]

pog, people run it for first mists if no sham, i assume?

[violet ginkgo]

nah at least so far I know we don't run it.

[south zealot]

you can if you want

need ppl to be in melee

and use it after fear goes off

[pale badge]

Do people have a CD rotation they like for DB boss 1

for obsidian beams

[inner oracle]

I always run it in Tirna without sham yes

[bitter zealot]

10s are now boring as prot. Are 11s a big jump?

[queen hemlock]

SOB 3rd pack in the dungeon, the 3 assholes guarding the door,
3 packs guarding the path to the boss
and 3 roaming packs
whats the general game plan for prot warrior on this particular route

[inner oracle]

Nope, you won’t feel any difference, 12 is a real difference

[inner oracle]

I usually take 3 guarding the door + when you go forward left pack with caster + patrol if it’s there

Then proceed with the 2 packs around boss

[queen hemlock]

the 3 pack seems to butt fuck everyone i try to go with, almost including myself

should we lust this pack?

[cyan bronze]

invis

is an option

[queen hemlock]

im thinking that too but oof not everyone brings it

[cyan bronze]

ask before key

at a certain key level, not having invis pots is kinda trolling

[queen hemlock]

10-11s i guess mm oke ill try thanks

[fiery quarry]

Tried my first 12, the jump from 10/11 is a lot, any tips?

[inner oracle]

Then you can wait for patrol to leave and impact the pack with caster only then

In pug I don’t like relying on invis pots, always someone forgets and use the timer

[fiery quarry]

I leap from stairs down to the wood stairs next to them, charge them and take them around the corner to the next pack where you will then time up with the patrolling pack,

[queen hemlock]

tried this pathing but seems to always fuck up due to bomber not moving, kinda need outside help

[fiery quarry]

1. Make a DK friend. 2. use the corner on the left it will move

[queen hemlock]

yea maybe i never move in far enough, will try again

[round pendant]

mistimed a +11 by 30seconds

and the guy who did only 1.1m dps and died 3x at the start got pissy about it

lol

[fiery gale]

Real, depending on talents and using some macros or not Warri is bloated af

Got it to be manageable though

[willow musk]

Yeah I mean I was half trolling. Its better to have the buttons to press then playing another class and not having an answer for a situation

[zealous goblet]

hey all, whats our best mitigation pot?

i've been playing around with like, frontline, and cavedweller as another defensive, and iunno

[fiery gale]

It’s true though compared to other tanks

Look at ppal they have like 5 buttons

[zealous goblet]

combat pot*

[main vault]

Health pots are the best mitigation pot

[tribal wharf]

if dps dies to shade slash is it dps issue or tank issue

he got 1 shot by it

cuz im doing that key on 7 and up now, so if someone dies, its a bit bigger of a deal now

[main vault]

From Nx?

It’s a frontal

[tribal wharf]

seems like what happened is the rogue got got by patrol circle and got sent back and he was on his way up the stairs, and couldnt see the ground frontal as he was going up the stairs

thank god for my caught in 4k game footage

[main vault]

Rogues are notorious for being super aware players

[tribal wharf]

rogue as a solo pug player and not relying on your guild is hell

also make it pvp

no armor + you have to get in melee range to attack, and you need 2 weapons no matter what

[main vault]

Sounds like most melee

[tribal wharf]

you forget the it doesnt have armor +it doesnt have many group utility, it has okay cc

and then you need 2 melee weapons and to get in melee and if ambush or backstab build, have to get behind

its same problme as pwar if you do it all just fine, nobody will even notice you are there out side of big blade flurry dmg

which isnt even that big of a problem,

[formal vigil]

is there any resource of known intercept tech this season?

also do ppl run storm shield talent for the absorb shield on intervene? the shield it gives is so damn tiny i feel like its pointless

[tribal wharf]

very simple response: anything that deals magic damage

storm shield you mean?

[toxic pewter]

it adds up over time throughout the course of a dungeon

[tribal wharf]

its a ~500k m-dmg dr shield on 30s cd,

its good, use it on anyone who is taking magic damage or you think will

[formal vigil]

yeh its like 10% of a dps hp, i guess if youre barely surviving a hitit can matter

[tribal wharf]

sometimes thats all they need for 2.7 seconds

while healer heals another player

and healer gets back to them

[formal vigil]

ye

wish it didnt actually charge to the person

messes with positioning

[tribal wharf]

just do it on melee

mouse over

[formal vigil]

yeh good call

[tribal wharf]

it has no minim distance

[formal vigil]

so intervene absorbvs magic spells? or just magic melee?

[tribal wharf]

the part where it intercepts is a melee ability that you can block typically

[formal vigil]

hm

so if i have spell block up can i then intervene spells?

[tribal wharf]

no, the intercept part of it covers the melee hit, re-directing it to you

and the storm shield covers the magic portion

[formal vigil]

ok

is there any instance where a mob will melee a dps? unless they have aggro

[tribal wharf]

yes, or you can just use it to stop them from being hit by something that does physical dmg

[formal vigil]

ah yeh theres some physical aoe u can block

i guess it works on that

[tribal wharf]

intervene is very good spell to use

is TLDR

[deft mortar]

i aint saving no dps

if he dies he dies

[tribal wharf]

if he dies you dont time the key

[formal vigil]

yeh but its also niche, i wish there wasa spreadsheet for aoe/attacks u can intervene, like the spell reflect spreadsheet

[deft mortar]

I spammed execute on my DK who got MCed in Grim Batol 11

[simple drum]

For Intervene do you just shift click a dps’s nameplate who’s taking damage, I assume that’s the easiest way to use the ability?

[tribal wharf]

i use my spells as mouse over

[tulip remnant]

As is required. I’ll brick a key over a MC

[deft mortar]

zug zug

[tribal wharf]

so whatever my mouse cursor hovers over it does that ability on that target

[tulip remnant]

I would kill my healer if he got MCd

[simple drum]

How do you know who to target if you can’t see their health over their character though, or do you have friendly nameplates enabled?

[tribal wharf]

plater, or pay attention to what way mob is facing, aka, not at you and at the dps

plater can show who the spell is being cast at if you want to fiddle with it

[keen star]

guys how much main stat is dark iron racial?

wowhead is showing 7.3k but I don't believe that

[zealous goblet]

yes but we have a combat pod cd aswell

[keen star]

yes for candledweller's delight

[tribal wharf]

not a perfect example btu this is my lvl 50 dark iron

[vernal aspen]

depends, there are some specific cases like NW first boss where you can intervene the breath, otherwise yeah that's what I do but usually when I know some dmg is coming

[shadow haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr0TN9fL_R0 do you guys not like this guide? Some people here were making fun of me for using a build from it!

[tulip oar]

It's the singing steel debuff that seems to have zero counter play. I've stun locked em multiple times, but they just keep casting it. It trucks insanely hard, so I just shield wall it.
If anyone has tricks for SoB, I'd be all ears as well. Cause SoB is pretty much the only place I find my HP bounces up and down a lot.

[coarse sphinx]

i know it says craft shield then trinkets then lower ilvl things on the wowhead guide. But do i stil make a 619 shield even tho i got a 606? or you recommend i craft other things?

[molten vault]

it’s outdated now

[shadow haven]

wooooooooot

[main vault]

Shield is by far your most important slot

[shadow haven]

well what is up to date

[main vault]

Wowhead and IV

[nova pond]

so on the wowhead guides, there are BIS gearing options with Mythic gear stats.

1. I'm wondering whether there is a way to see the overall stats the gear provides.
2. This way I can aim for the percentage stat and know when DR begins to occur

[keen star]

yea it's most likely a different value at max lvl but thanks

[tulip oar]

To add what I was saying, I timed SoB on an 11 last night but it was spooky at times.

[shadow haven]

I also know that youtube guide creator has allied with Gromnaks archnemesis Drogoah!

[tribal wharf]

personally i would seek offensive trinkets rather than defensive ones

but you can do what you like

[coarse sphinx]

you recommend fury loot specialization? i would love off trinkets!

but i stayed don prot for shield drops

[tulip oar]

Ara-Kara, Mark of Khadros, Ovinax egg.

All can be found in Prot loot.

[tribal wharf]

u only ever go prot loot if u want to loot those trinkets or a shield to wear to transmog

[tulip remnant]

Khardos can’t bud

[main vault]

Pretty sure drogoah is everyone’s nemesis after that discord leak

[cinder storm]

Ok I'm back to wow, expansion is fun so far

[tulip remnant]

Skarm can

[coarse sphinx]

thank you! i appreciate the help!

[tulip oar]

Right, which is odd cause it's pretty much the same thing.

[tulip remnant]

GB is old, idk

I don’t overthink it

[nova pond]

woah, it's weird how ppl r saying there are no DR anymore when DF had so much

[tribal wharf]

larynx and sac from city of threads and echoes

[tulip remnant]

Got my mark yesterday tho

Replace my last champ piece

[tribal wharf]

those 2 are very good for being dungeon loot

[tulip remnant]

Raid loot mid af this tier. Minus Mandate and Spymasters

[tribal wharf]

that larynx was the first real trinket i ever got as like a blue from leveling dungeons worth a damn

and i've pretty much only equipped that trinket this whole season

was able to get hero in vault

[shadow haven]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFVlEFKSURBENVVFEVBUFVZVQUCUAEVVVUCAQ how do you feel about this

[coarse sphinx]

hey @tribal wharf you mind checking your DM please

[swift orbit]

https://outplayed.tv/media/GYaPjL

Can someone please explain to me wtf happened here? When you play it frame by frame, it seems like one for the beams starts to move JUST before the cast goes off..

Has this happened to anyone else?

[tribal wharf]

i typically dont do the DM thing, you can ask here and someone will get back to you

[keen star]

I think the clone all the way to the left of the screen at 0 seconds is the one that barely hit the group with his cone

[tribal wharf]

you didnt craft anything at al yet im guessing?

[swift orbit]

You can see that the beam starts to sweep towards us JUST as the cast is about to go off..

[keen star]

the ground is noticeably darker before the frontal goes off so its AoE was there even if barely visible

[coarse sphinx]

i have 2 crafts avauilable but i can upgrade my shield to 619

[tribal wharf]

he has this gear and he wants to know what he should be crafting

[coarse sphinx]

should i use crests to upgrade gear or still craft it

[tribal wharf]

if he should do a weapon and shield or a low value slot

[coarse sphinx]

upgrade sheld**

[keen star]

this is the cone that killed everyone imo

roughly

[lime willow]

Anyone have advice on how to increase my hps parse in M+?

Getting roasted by my group for it

[tulip oar]

Huh?

[keen star]

take more damage, stand in mechanics, dont use shield block, spend all rage on ignore pain

[tulip oar]

Spam Ignore pain to prevent capping rage.

[lime willow]

So it doesnt matter if Im not dying is the point

[tulip oar]

Hps parses... wtf, like we're not healers.

[lime willow]

Thats what I said

[keen star]

yes you can only increase your HPS by increasing your damage taken first

[tribal wharf]

i think if you can get a myth shield easily, i wouldnt craft a shield and weapon

[keen star]

which is why it's pointless so judge a tank by their HPS

[lime willow]

Cool thats what I figured

[tribal wharf]

i dunno what lvl keys you run, could be run 14 for all i know

[lime willow]

10s

oh sorry not me

[tribal wharf]

i just dont want to give him bad advice is all

i stick to the safe and obvious routes

[coarse sphinx]

im runnings 7s right now only 593 ilvl

[fiery gale]

Wait

Just farm gilded and do 636

It took me only 1 day to get 636 weapon and shield

Spam 8s

[coarse sphinx]

thank you!🙏

[fiery gale]

Dawnbreaker is a good farm key

Not much for others to fuck up except ninja pulls

[tribal wharf]

i like threads personally

even though people claim its difficult

the team that did that dungeon design it perfectly

its easy to see whats going on, attacks are delayed and telegraphed

[coarse sphinx]

i think CoT is very easy dung as well

[ornate thicket]

I hate cot

But mostly because the RP shit after first boss is just annoying to me

Fighting 3 mobs a time playing hide and seek zzzzz

[tribal wharf]

it can be pretty fast section

memorize the ending locations and observe the differentations in the ghost trail, till you know where the 3 sub locations are

[ornate thicket]

Its not a matter of doing it

I just dont like the design at all

I dont like any RP in keys at all

[tribal wharf]

this is the route i do for it it needs minor fixes but its overall good enough

https://wago.io/XQ2xxxCcB

[idle bluff]

If I craft a 2h 636 wep, does that let me also upgrade my shield and 1h sword to 636 for 0 crests?

[timid solstice]

any WA to announce spell reflect is up ?

[coarse sphinx]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

hope this helps, ive been using this one since DF

[dapper sedge]

is the idea to have ignore pain uptime as much as possible?

[main vault]

The idea is to use IP as a rage dump

[dapper sedge]

feels like im constantly rage dumping

every second i use IP and shield block

[main vault]

Welcome to War

[coarse sphinx]

sounds about right lmfao

[dapper sedge]

should just bind them together

[coarse sphinx]

no cause youll use your SB charges spamming IP

[main vault]

The real play is to bind SS to IP

And keep going

[coarse sphinx]

^Yes!

[dapper sedge]

lol i do havee them bound

[tulip oar]

It's not super hard, there are just a couple small things that are really dumb.

1. 2nd boss is just cancer and stupid design. (again, not hard, just stupid)
2. The healer can sleep through 80% of the dungeon, than the last two bosses are a nasty hps check.

[fiery gale]

First boss is super annoying for many tanks too

Subjugate

[dapper sedge]

do y'all ever come out of defensive stance?

[fiery gale]

And if kicks are not good for trash before first boss, DPS keep dying

[dapper sedge]

i don't have any other stance bound

[fiery gale]

Nah not really worth it unless you are in basically 0 danger at all

Then feel free to switch

[astral frost]

question, how do we use spell block?

[coarse sphinx]

i stay in D stance

[astral frost]

because I feel it does nothing

[coarse sphinx]

make sure you have shield block up with spell block to block spells

[astral frost]

but does it work like reflect?

like does it negate the spell?

[fiery gale]

Spell block is actually OP

[coarse sphinx]

no just blocks it

take no dmg

[fiery gale]

Blocking all magic for 30 sec?

OP

[astral frost]

Oh gotcha

[fiery gale]

Or spell reflect in stone vault doing 7m+ reflects of shadow claw lmao

[coarse sphinx]

does necrotic bolt get reflected back to mob?

[craggy pilot]

on Ara kare trash in the end before last boss, do you go middle or sides?
i feel like both are kinde hit or miss

[sudden kelp]

With Culminating blasphemite is it better to put 5x same gem in other sockets or one gem of each type ? wowhead says x5 same gem and icy veins says opposite

[copper heath]

why does nome's thunderclap WA go red when violent outburst is active? do we not want to consume that with thunder blast or thunder clap?

[pallid quiver]

By and large, you want to send as many outbursts as possible on SS

It's acceptable to send it on TB in aoe, but you also don't want to lose on TB charges, eother, by aiming to send it in TB

and sending outburst on tc at all is no good in any practical scenario

[grand ingot]

Because of the double rage?

[tribal wharf]

i dont think i want to run echoes on a 10 12

i dont like the trash between boss 1 and 2 and boss 1 and 3

[onyx vessel]

when your doing normal with your guilds mt and he brings his shit warrior

[shrewd grove]

I think I puked in my mouth

[onyx vessel]

so did i

[shrewd grove]

Lemme guess, he was in dstance the whole fight too

[onyx vessel]

shit i sit in dstance whole time

[shrewd grove]

In normal?

[onyx vessel]

still sit in 90% SB

yeah idgaf

[shrewd grove]

Bstance it up my boy, nothing in normal hits for shit

Get your crit on

😉

[onyx vessel]

he dies as prot pally on 2nd boss to melee swings

[shrewd grove]

Nah, live your life. I just love the warrs that sit in dstance but never use shield block. And then complain that they can't use bstance bc "warrior is so squishy" lol

[shrewd grove]

On normal raid?

What ilvl?

[onyx vessel]

heroic

619

[shrewd grove]

Wut

[onyx vessel]

me just afk whats dmg from white hits

this guy

called his ass out

[shrewd grove]

That's actually insane lol

[molten gorge]

What an animal

[onyx vessel]

[mellow ridge]

Why is rend in the build but the rotation never says to use it

[toxic pewter]

Because Thunder Clap spreads rend for us

[mellow ridge]

So it doesnt need bound then?

[toxic pewter]

No, you do not need to bind Rend, Slam, Whirlwind

[mellow ridge]

Thank you

[toxic pewter]

no prob

[sharp gale]

i'm still impressed a prot killed ovinax 2 tank

now that i look the replay that's seems really fine tbh

[smoky anvil]

choked a +12 DB by 2 min earlier today

[strange horizon]

Hey guys which mob and boss abilities can’t be blocked?

[reef rock]

[grand ingot]

so as a new war, i need double the gilded crests to craft 1h + shield vs a 2 hander? 90 (for enchanted crest) x2 ?

[sharp gale]

You need 90 crest for each crafts

2 hands is 1 craft but use 2 sparks

[distant fractal]

Hmm, but if I stay in Dstance then there will never be a time where the healers need to heal me, and they can DPS instead, which might end up being more DPS than us doing like 0.2% more.

Plus, Dstance lets us one tank bosses on normal. Just gotta kill the boss before the tank Buster gets too wicked

[shrewd grove]

Don't see how this is relevant to what the guy above was talking about in any possible scenario. His tank buddy has like 20% uptime on shield block. Start there

[shrewd grove]

Or you can do both bc prot takes literally 0 damage in normal even in bstance lol

[distant fractal]

???

[shrewd grove]

Yes, referring to the post above that where he linked a prot Warrior with a 20% uptime on shield block but sitting in dstance lol

Getting that uptime to 90% and swapping to bstance will mean BOTH taking less damage AND doing more damage

Hence my entire comment thread regarding it

I apologize that you missed it

[distant fractal]

God you have such Redditor energy

[shrewd grove]

Great response. Very helpful

[distant fractal]

I'm gonna sit in D stance and watch my overall raid damage go up. Stay mad.

[shrewd grove]

Okay? I'm very proud of you sweetie. Please feel free to post your sick logs whenever you get around to it. I'll try to peek in between my hysterical cry sessions

Lmao

[distant fractal]

Tl;dr

[shrewd grove]

Hitting someone with a tldr bc you can't think of an actual response, after calling THEM a redditor is peak comedy. Nice job. Waiting for logs

[scarlet stone]

How will your raid damage go up when you already require 0 healing?

super redditor energy of you @distant fractal kind of cringe pilled tbqh.

[shrewd grove]

Maybe his logs will tell us. I can't wait to see this crazy damage. And his healers must be pumpers

[scarlet stone]

Yeah I can't wait to see some 600k dps healers all thanks to the difference in healing requirement he reduces.

[shrewd grove]

And, assuredly he's also sending like 600k-700k dps in dstance

[prisma quiver]

any1 have any idea whats randomly changing my stance in key

i dont even have it bound

[mighty valley]

In normal raid you can stay in bstance and still not need any healer attention, nothing hurts

[sharp gale]

And even in the hypothetical situation a healer attention is needed, they will lose dps in both bstance and dstance

They will mostly lose the exact same amount in both stances, they will not require more GCDs because you took 16% more dmg

But passive healing usually does the thing

[scarlet stone]

I like to do 3% less damage because numbers scare me.

[coarse lark]

What should we craft? im thinking mh+shield + belt/boots?

but the neck and ring also look good

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/555666-cmatrix-matrix-gif-23709685

You freaked out yet?

[cyan bronze]

what tcount does spending VO on TB become worth

[scarlet stone]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-creepy-skeleton-spooky-month-month-gif-4387100718728051700

[cyan bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1283093111928524890/Screenshot_2024-09-10_at_8.53.00_AM.png?ex=671e6214&is=671d1094&hm=fe7f3ba51e168563fd5d332c86cf0b44cf3fb6bc2ffaa46394615455cd28da2b&

found this

what is the conditional on tb out of avatar?

[misty trail]

Hey everyone, just leveled a warr im planning on doing M+ with, whats the best spec for pushing keys? Wowhead says Mountain Thane, but I noticed the top people run Colossus?

[mighty valley]

Are they? Front page of r.io still seems to be using thane

[misty trail]

I only had a quick look i could be very wrong

[mighty valley]

Thane still seems the clear winner for surviving but they keep throwing damage buffs at colossus

(the thing it's already kinda better at)

[jagged gust]

Honestly I just prio it at 2+ targets regardless, but judging by the last line it seems to imply 6+ targets. Though based on the previously line TC prio increased by 2 out of avatar, you'd think it would follow that TB would have a similar increase

[ebon sandal]

how do I pull mobs from the other room in maze?

[shrewd grove]

You don't. Someone else does. Like a hunter or boomie

[twilit locust]

is there any versa cap? man monster lok that they hit me hard

lol

[mighty valley]

other than the diminishing returns that every secondary has, no

[violet ginkgo]

first time ppl ask versa cap, usually they ask haste cap

[fiery gale]

Why do 10 and 11 hurt on pwarr? On my guardian i could probably even combine 10 and 11, but somehow on pwarr it hurts pretty good even though its all physical

[pallid quiver]

I can't think of much reason why they should; do you happen to have a log?

[fiery gale]

unfortunately not, but during these I had full SB uptime and was spamming IP

also had to use demo shout and SW

[pallid quiver]

Kneejerk most likely is getting clipped in the sides

[fiery gale]

I see, I didnt die in these, but after burning all CDs in 10 I had to leap out of 11 one time

[south zealot]

stacking damage debuff

[fiery gale]

yeah, so one reason might also just be DPS was too low ig

took too long, big stack

After the roar nerf, is it a "must" to play spear?

[violet ginkgo]

I mean thane usually already use spear although some ppl choose roar for snap threat.

if you are thane and spear you shouldn't be affected by the roar nerf.

[fiery gale]

yeah Im MT but i prefer roar

might need to change then

[boreal heath]

how do you deal with tainted slash in DB just did a dawnbreaker and it seemed like I slowly rotted out to the bleed after the hit if I didn't have a cd up

[scarlet stone]

It hurts equally on both so probably just SB/IP usage.

[cyan bronze]

how squishy is colossus

[scarlet stone]

Ideally you kite that first pull.

stay in during CDs then kite a bit

[fiery gale]

yeah I did a new run and my HP bar didnt even move in these same pulls, no idea what was going on before. I did same things

[scarlet stone]

They're all slowable so just a slow backpedal works.

[cyan bronze]

backshots?

[fiery gale]

One or to times a knockback was used, so some backshots were possible I guess

[scarlet stone]

I also like this, but that 10 pack hurts even more. Still super easy though because it's a single caster and only the tank busters.

[azure dagger]

Hello warrior Chad's. Which healer do you like having most and why

[sharp gale]

Sham, because it’s meta

[boreal heath]

MW because it buffs dam

[south zealot]

druid is the healer that functions the best with warrior

passive hots is all we need

[scarlet stone]

Spear chains mobs so you can take 2 steps away from your spear and mobs can't hit you.

[fiery gale]

yyeah the better run was actually with druid

[smoky anvil]

Shamans because I can bring something that doesn’t bring lust. And shaman is cool and handsome and my alt even though I’d never be caught healing.

[azure dagger]

I'm deciding between druid and priest for a healer. I already have a resto shammy but it's kinda boring

[boreal heath]

disc priest does a ton of damage in aoe

[scarlet stone]

Like spear for those exact 2 packs is massive, spear for ara'kara first boss, for all the jumpers in ara'kara / nw / etc.

[smoky anvil]

Spear is lit for the debuffer pack in SV. Pull it all, spear the little shits, then go for a walk.

[sharp gale]

I never look healer dps, what is good dps for them ?

[fiery gale]

besides going spear is there some other stuff I should defineteely change up for M+´? This here was from yodas prot warr guide iirc

[scarlet stone]

250-300

[azure dagger]

300k overall is good

[sharp gale]

My friend does 350k I don’t know if it’s that good

[azure dagger]

Yes

[scarlet stone]

You can drop BSV for Ravager unless you've planned why not to.

[south zealot]

swap defenders aegis

for the other node

[fiery gale]

yeah tbh i dont have 1 more keybind for ravager lol

[scarlet stone]

you defnitely do 😛

You also can simply macro it in to the exact same keybind as roar so

double do

[fiery gale]

my whole left hand side keyboard and in total 5 mouse buttons are bound already for warr

even some shift combos

could do another ig

[south zealot]

use ctrl

[sharp gale]

So a disc priest does way more than 300 k ?

[scarlet stone]

I've got absolutely everything bound + focus macro hotkeys and double kicks and etc, with 1 mouse butotn.

[barren oar]

and alt

[scarlet stone]

no ctrl mods

only shift

qertfgzxc12345 mwheelup/down

but yeah

just make a macro for roar+spear because you will never haveb oth

orw ait we were talking ravager

derp

[sharp gale]

I have French keyboard, I use : AERTFGWXCV12345 2 mouse button everything has a shift too and mouse buttons have alt

[fiery gale]

nobody using F1-F5?

[sharp gale]

Basically I have maybe 30 binds

[scarlet stone]

F1 commanding F2 battle shout

[sharp gale]

F1 is the battle rez or warlock portal toy in raid

[pallid quiver]

Also, you'll probably get more value out of rumbling earth than pain and gain the the class tree

Pain and Gain's healing is

very minimal

[fiery gale]

true, it does less than my leech

[sharp gale]

It’s only preferences tho, only suggestion is no keybinds that move out your fingers of WASD

[pallid quiver]

oh huh, that build also doesn't have bounding stride

[sharp gale]

F1 usually move out my fingers so I bind it to very niche thing

[pallid quiver]

You can also get rid of Int Shout if you're not getting use out of it, since things tend to just recast instantly after an AOE stop in these dungeons and it's target capped; could put into Bounding Stride for easier time gathering and to have it selected if we get no changes going into the next season and there's leap tech on bosses

[scarlet stone]

You don't need to drop it

[fiery gale]

yeah for now I changed some stuff up to this

[scarlet stone]

you're getting back 3 points

[fiery gale]

so that for now effectively only roar is replaced by spear in gameplay

is BV better value than fueled by violence?

Ive seen on archon most use it

[pallid quiver]

Generally yes, but both are pretty minor

You can legitimately pick whichever you think has a cooler icon and be fine

Also, you're going to want both nodes under spear, so begone point into the stam talent

[scarlet stone]

PC isn't necessary.

The absolute best uses out of it aren't even damage based.

[pallid quiver]

You know what's even more unnecessary? The stam as compared to extra rage gen and damage

[scarlet stone]

10 rage

😰

[sharp gale]

That’s the one I drop if I want the stam point yes

[scarlet stone]

It is definitely the better point depending on key level, but the 10 rage/90s is a SUPER easy cut as you push up in keys.

[sharp gale]

It’s for the 50% dmg I take it personally

When I take it

[scarlet stone]

Yeah the damage is definitely why it's a better baseline until you want the stam.

the rage text is basically fake.

[sharp gale]

And when you play ITF it’s easy to rage cap when you press cds

[scarlet stone]

But uhh like Luerce said too you can drop the int shout point but I'd actually move it in to the SW talent at lower keys / pug keys with less coordination where you don't get nearly as much value out of int shout. The extra duration reduction and RANGE is super nice especially for this week's affix.

[sharp gale]

This week I would not give up ont shout in low pug keys for the affix

[scarlet stone]

the SW talent makes it so you can always hit eveyr single orb in a single shockwave

[sharp gale]

You still need to step back

[scarlet stone]

Yeah you gotta position well, for sure.

But int shout might not even get the orbs because of target cap.

[sharp gale]

It’s for pug keys when the ones that are supposed to do the affix (not a prot war) don’t do it, if orbs pass you don’t wipe but if all yes

But now 10 and 11s are not really out of the low key territory when I saw pugs this week

[scarlet stone]

Yeah 10s and 11s are super easy now

[sharp gale]

No i mean it’s a hell

[scarlet stone]

what?

[boreal heath]

10s are easier than 11s

[sharp gale]

2k5-2k6 Rio is Rio hell it looks like

[scarlet stone]

I've been doing a ton of 10/11 this week on my alt with gf for vaults and it's been stupid easy.

[boreal heath]

na 2k7 is because you can't get into 12s without having timed a 12

[scarlet stone]

It's definitely rio hell because all the low keyers are hard walled by the 12 jump

yeah 2k7 is the cutoff of hell for puggers lol

[sharp gale]

No i mean if you take someone who has 2k6 in a 10 it is no longer a good guarantee timed

[boreal heath]

I mean if u want a guaranteed time u invite 3kers

[sharp gale]

That’s what I do, I’m just here to fill the vault I only m+ for raid

Like i’ll push again closer to the next patch to not be in rio hell first weeks but mainly for gear incentive

[lean bramble]

Is dragon racial any good for PvP and pve M+ tanking?
I feel that wind push back come in handy in M+ melee mobs.

[teal atlas]

does spellblock mean i block all spells for 30 secs, 100% chance or does it mean i am able to block spells for 30 secs

[onyx vessel]

quality prot build boys

[fiery gale]

is the IP cap influenced by some stat?

[onyx vessel]

[deft hinge]

nice guide on how to get rid of affixes wowhead….

[onyx vessel]

with rumbling you can do most of them instantly

so idk see the issue

wheres the problem

[fiery gale]

This was an 8 COT, least heal i ever needed I think

13%.. healer didnt have to target me even once xD

if its not super urgent, you can wait if you get myth item in vault for upgrade

or even myth tier item

im only aware of them making tier items

Maybe they have another use, no idea

[urban portal]

Stamina

[fiery gale]

does stamina also increase absorb value of 1 IP charge?

maybe thats why so many people run double stam buff?

Endurance training talent

[urban portal]

No it does not change how much of 1 ip press

[urban portal]

You run endurance training because hp on a tank matters more than 2% damage on a tank

Which will time your key about 3 second faster

[fiery gale]

fair

[urban portal]

When instead you can save a healer global

And they make up that damage for you

But it’s all preference

Farm content play whatever

[solar spear]

what is the IP cap nowadays? I saw an old wowhead comment saying it's 32x stamina, what does that mean? Like an actual numeric value 32x your stamina value is your cap?

[urban portal]

Think it’s 30% of hp

[meager berry]

how can I learn on which spells I can use intervene and save my party member ?

I know only in necrotic and ara kara 2.boss debuff. I have no idea how it works tho

[solar spear]

brill got me going, did some testing and for me it was looking like 29.22%? but anyway helped me with my weakaura

[urban portal]

Rounding

[restive remnant]

Need some advice on what stat to prioritize or focus on next

[mental scarab]

how much ivl can we ignore on rings? wicks golden loop 593 2686 haste and 1492 vers.

610 ring of dun algaz

dropping sop much haste :>

[urban portal]

Sim

[urban portal]

Focus on item level

619 is shrimp

[violet tide]

i think this is much better

[desert mist]

it is a very good trinket but the question is, if the other two of brd are equal or slightly worse and just went under the radar

havent found any related source with test metrics 🙂

[sweet summit]

they're not great

[desert mist]

Found this on the Molten Furnace trinket: "This trinket is actually good. At least for guardian druids since the absorb is somehow scaling with stamina and mastery in bear form.

Naked in feral spec (no guardian mastery) it gives around ~4.4M absorb. But in bear form, with lunar beam active (+30% mastery) it gives me ~7.5M absorb.
Then there is the offensive part that could be bugged or the tooltip is wrong. It does 95K damage to every enemy around you. On pull with 20 enemies it did ~6M damage."

[silent sphinx]

i havent seen swarmlords authority once D:

im a sad silken chain weaver boi :[

[muted pumice]

Is there a recommended MDT route collection for pugging 12+? the ones from keystone.guru don't seem to be optimized for higher key levels, and the raider.io ones seem suboptimal for playing in an uncoordinated grp

[charred ivy]

at what haste we swap to into the fray?

[fiery gale]

They seem both pretty bad imo

The first one is similar to aggression module (taunt shield), but weaker

And swarmelord is much better than aggression module

At least the shield, no main stat is debatable

[desert mist]

mists 12 overall healing with Molten Furnace

and the dps, cant compare it to swarmlord´s cause i dont have it, baught the Molten furnace one and its 626 for testing purpose 🙂

[jagged pier]

Yer thats a no from me dog

[desert mist]

anyone got numbers for the swarmlords?

its a 30 sec 30% dmg absorb on the furnace, feels quite nice tbh, kinda like the fyrrak trinket in dragonflight

[tender reef]

for +7 with 620ilvl yeah 😄

[inner oracle]

what is the intervene interaction you refer to in ara kara?
ik there is also the 2nd boralus boss where you can intervene the 1st shot of ricochet (and ofc the fixate from last tirna boss)

[tender reef]

should i wisp @strong forum about this? the ichor are as BIS in the m+ but those seem to be better and sim better so..... why?

why you dont like ballast sinkers

[fiery gale]

Because bis gear is only bis when you’re full bis

It’s the combination that makes it bis

1 different item in some slot and then other items can sim better for you that are not officially bis.

Bis gear is the best combination of stats out of all items. Deviate from that slightly, and something else can be a better combination

[fluid sparrow]

Hey, anyone got some tww talents for Mage Tower?

The listing on the wowhead guide just shows a old code for DF

[jagged pier]

Just run m+ talents

[fluid sparrow]

Would you change anything here?

[feral tulip]

is there a way to pull right room as warrior in mists after 1st boss?

[fiery gale]

I see wrote the same thing like 5 times but differently, time to sleep

[tribal wharf]

"2nd boss is just cancer and stupid design. (again, not hard, just stupid)"
second boss is literally a skill check

all it is is during NX stack on tank, and on VX get off the tank,
then, you start on VX as she starts ranged and inactive, with NX being active at melee and after each set of dashes the active mob swaps.
if you do that, then they stand together and are cleavable and effectively take double damage

[tulip remnant]

And as long as healers can keep up with random party damage. It’s a vibe

[tribal wharf]

when each of the 2 is active, they have different move set

[tulip remnant]

Ice Sickle and Knife throw I think

[tribal wharf]

so it should be predictable

[tulip remnant]

I’ve had a few healers not able to keep up when they overlap

[tulip oar]

My guy, did you not read what you quoted? It's just a dumb fight.

[tulip remnant]

It’s really not.

You just stack and don’t stand in stuff

[tulip oar]

I know how to do it.

[tulip remnant]

CoT bosses are just fun to do

[tribal wharf]

i dont mind the fight

its far less cancerous than alot of twins fights, say, macshinists, not a 1 to 1 example

[tulip oar]

When you watch yourself take a 90 degree turn during a charge at one, you will understand what I mean by dumb fight.

[tulip remnant]

I’d take any boss in CoT then the Fairy in mists

[tulip remnant]

That’s anything that teleports

[tribal wharf]

meh, i play warrior, (and doom), im very used to dumb ass LOS thingies

its an annoyance

[inner oracle]

I think it's fine, I like BSV instead of enduring alacrity for the safety net but it's a matter of personal choice, also you can swap 1 spear talent into fear group dispel for tirna if no sham, rest is covered

[fluid sparrow]

It's for mage tower

[inner oracle]

oh sorry, then you are good to go yeah

disr shout can help with interrupts if needed

[quiet zenith]

is there anything we can use pre bevor a key gets started?

with insta reset

[lone bane]

hello, any1 know why sometimes intervene works on NW first boss frontal and sometime it doesnt?

is it because of the 10 yds range?

[inner oracle]

Should work everytime if your mate stay close

Can be, 10yds is very short

[lone bane]

yeah i just noticed while reading it again ^^

[inner oracle]

Not much afaik, commanding shout is too short duration, rest is too low CD

[quiet zenith]

kk thx for the answer

[vast geyser]

Any trinks in brd worth considering?

[fiery gale]

Combat pot , rallying cry, last stand

[quiet zenith]

thx also for the answer!!!

[fiery gale]

Oh didn’t see other

Yeah though forget about rallying cry it runs out when dungeon beging

Combat pot you have 20s left at start, last stand 5 sec

Im lazy and just have rallying cry Macro’d to last stand anyway lol

[hoary pivot]

I think you can keep Rage

[fiery gale]

Probably if not I would never use rallying cry

[hoary pivot]

Iirc

[hoary pivot]

You should really use it for group wide damage events

[fiery gale]

Yeah I do that

[hoary pivot]

I mean Rally, not Last Stand

[fiery gale]

The last stand + RC macro is my “oh shit big aoe” key

[hoary pivot]

You should be the last person in danger in big AoE situations

What I mean is that Last Stand and Rally are very different buttons

[fiery gale]

Yeah I mean it’s not really a good macro technically, but they share CD and one is off GCD, and I don’t have more comfy keybinds available

So it’s fine 🤣

[hoary pivot]

Rally can probably live on an uncomfortable keybind (mine is Shift 2), as you mostly know when to use it in advance

[fiery gale]

Usually, I press it when I can make use out of the last stand heal. Most times in these situations the group might also be low, so it’s ok to have RC with it

[tribal wharf]

i tried to warn them, but they made fun of my keystone english

terrifying to see that happen

[fiery gale]

Wtf does that mean though

Swils and chares

Swirls and chargers?

[tribal wharf]

was supposed to read swirls and charges

the mechanics that would kill us

[fiery gale]

I’m so clever

[tribal wharf]

this part is 100% real

take them to narrowest section

have everyone at either or wall

they move like 5 feet

[fiery gale]

I’m trying to teach that in every SV run, but in the end the chargers end up yeeting through the whole dungeon 100%

[tribal wharf]

the worst part is we cant even spear of bastion them :S

[fiery gale]

Just stand at a fucking wall near tank god damn

How is that hard

[main vault]

People are stupid

[tribal wharf]

another hot yogi take: the LFG protests wont do shit

vault will open, everyone will need to fill there vaults once again........... "git gud" / "ur bad" arguments thrown out, sales of carry runs for gold all over the place again and then ppl will forget they were even protesting until they try it a year later

i use the meat and potatoes one

[violet ginkgo]

I need a carry yogi

[tribal wharf]

you lose food buff if you die in a key anyways have to spend full 10 seconds to get it back

cant be arsed, to buy good food and bad food and manage eating both types (wow food buffs)

maybe if i can eat while mounted? so i hop if someones mount while eating or start eating, and that player is an earthen, so they dont have to spend time rebuffing food

i have to carry my self to lvl 8 key, 8 cot, and then work on pushing other keys (joining a key on a lvl higher than i previously did, repeat, upgrade, go again.)

[heavy sparrow]

hey guys

does Queen do magic?

[tribal wharf]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/enchants-gems-pve-tank#food

[heavy sparrow]

ie should I spec out of spell reflect?

[tribal wharf]

supposedly we are supposed to be eating bounty

im gunna go look how much all 3 costs

[rare panther]

question prot warrs, would you rather wear Hero - vile butcher w/ leech or Myth - tier shoulders both max upgraded

[violet ginkgo]

oh yeah I just hate they now don't provide embelishment that you can keep foodbuff after dead like DF, instead they make it into hearty food version.

Myth tier of course

hero only 626 myth you can reach 639

[rare panther]

true, but the secondary stats on the vile are better. but iguess i get more str/stam from myth

[violet ginkgo]

ilvl > secondary stat

[inner oracle]

You can lvl up cooking craft just a bit (40 is enough I think) and transform regular food into longer death lasting food

100 sorry

[graceful kite]

sim

i dont know whats vile butcher tho

[rare panther]

myth does more DPS by a mill

its the shoulders off wake. crit/verst prio on crit

also got lucky with leech on it

[sweet summit]

highest ilvl 👍

[lime mantle]

What's the reflect WA?

[charred ivy]

is there some intervene WA or something also? or a list whatsgood to intervene? feels like i miss out on use this

[stone moat]

fixates like last boss mist, third boss NW, first boss NW retch come to mind

[charred ivy]

does it work third boss NW? cause i tried on mob fixate and i dont think it helped

[tribal wharf]

https://wago.io/gDJ5XzNk1

i think

[mighty valley]

liquefy and feast are both part magic and worth using SR on, spell block is especially good on liquefy

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

[mighty valley]

oh whoops, misread the tooltip

still, don’t drop sr/sb

[mental scarab]

Fight Trough the flames is that a talent we ever use?

[violet ginkgo]

you can if you want.

[mental scarab]

but is it worth it? for m+ frend of mine always use it but i think its to small of DR to pick

[mighty valley]

6% is pretty decent for one point if there’s a lot of magic damage wherever you’re going

the choice is basically between that and best served cold, and revenge is not a lot of thane’s damage

[mental scarab]

always alot of magic dmg when people dont interutp xD

[mighty valley]

but it is some damage to give up

[mental scarab]

yea and i dont like that

[mighty valley]

just check your damage after a key and think about how much you would’ve lost if revenge was doing 10-20% less

[mental scarab]

the horror

[mighty valley]

it’s spooky season

[mental scarab]

[tulip oar]

Hmm

Interesting question here.

or 30% up to ~900k every minute or 2.2 Mil every minute.

The slower attack speed is kinda huge, figured I'd ask here. Incase there was some hidden tech/varible.

[halcyon dust]

Is there a certain haste % in which we swap HR to ItF?

[mighty valley]

you’re not getting to 100% blocked hits with itf this season most likely but it’s safe-ish at around 35% unbuffed haste

[strong forum]

silken chain is infinitely better bacuse of the attack speed slow

the absorbs on both are laughable

[halcyon dust]

THanks!@

[tulip oar]

I figured, just wanted to confirm. Never know with these defensive trinkets this tier.

[strong forum]

basic rule of thumb -> tank trinkets suck

[violet ginkgo]

then we copium on the tank trinket on season 2?

[strong forum]

it would need to be really fucking good or be able to cheese mechanics like rageheart did in s3

[urban veldt]

is elemental focusing lens any good?

[strong forum]

ffor ST yes

[tulip oar]

Don't think we've seen a good tank trinket since Nathria and the cheat death from Sun King in Natheria.

[strong forum]

not sure if bait or not

[tulip oar]

Was there something good in tier 3 of Dragon flight? Didn't play that. Or season 4

And I don't remember anything fantastic from Abberax.

[strong forum]

Shard of Annhyldes aegis was the single most broken tank trinket for pwar

which came out in 9.1

Tree-mouth splinter was pretty good in DF s1, s2 and s4

[wicked pollen]

mr nome how broken was the cheat death from s3?

[strong forum]

Rageheart was good if you needed the absorb

i dont regard cheat death trinkets as good

theyre simply bandaids

[tulip oar]

That's fair

And useless for most other tanks.

[violet ginkgo]

I thought the dreadplates is also good

[strong forum]

dreadplates are sneaky OP yes

extremely good aswell, but very hard to understand for 99% of the population

[pallid quiver]

Cheats can be useful, but require fringe, rare scenarios to be actively useful and something to plan on

It requires something that you'd rather choose to die from to enable, but doesn't require you to actually be dead on the ground

[vocal portal]

Should we be bothering with execute as Thane Prot?

[violet ginkgo]

If enemy less than 20% yeah why not? it's a better button than revenge

[strong forum]

execute hits fucking hard you absolutely should use it on prio targets and bosses

[violet ginkgo]

a good rage dump too

[bitter zealot]

Outside of prot warrior any other tanks ya'll find fun?

[strong forum]

id rather play 2 prot warriors than a different tank

[red otter]

Yeah, blizzard just made tanking unfun as hell this xpac. If you asked last xpac I woulda also mentioned Blood and Guardian. But hard to mention anything given the current state of tanking.

[violet ginkgo]

what is your definition of "fun" though?

[heady dagger]

hey guys, there is an aura around that shows what u can REFLECT/DEFLECT ?

[bitter zealot]

Fun is subjective so it would be whatever other tank you like to play/ find fun. I kinda wanna play a 2nd tank but idk what blood feels meh, druid feels slow and boring, brew is weird, dh is lame imo. Pally is idk

[trim pendant]

i just use "spell reflect essentials" WA

[heady dagger]

ty fella

[vestal cove]

I play all tanks to KSM in a season and pick one or two for KSH.
I think pally feels real good now - I think it depends if you like to keep mitigation rolling or use CDs when needed.

[trim pendant]

np np, i isnt perfect, misses some reflects and for some reason it says "reflect" in dawnbreaker when some adds do fronts

[heady dagger]

not a big deal, but I apreciate it, im main BRM and got the war as second PJ, im learning the things u can reflect

its very fun to tank dungs with warr

and BRM its very good on raid, but at M+ ppl its like allergic to monks x)

[trim pendant]

some dungeons have huge reflects as prot, i think grim batol has some huge ones

[heady dagger]

looter arakara egg yesterday on warr

[violet ginkgo]

I think if I wanted to seriously play another tank it might be druid, sure it's boring since not so much button to press but I heard it's quite effective as tank.

[heady dagger]

it is

druid its pretty strong as raid tank and m+ tank

anyways pally might be good and fun with the last updates

idk, didnt played prot pala since Shadowlands

[fiery gale]

Definitely a good m+ tank. Started this season on guardian but currently going a bit to prot to get some change

Have to say prot is way more fun

[wanton mantle]

Druid has to be careful on first pull tho. Not like a warr who can go Leroy mode and pull big. Druid need to build its defenses first before pulling the next pack

[heady dagger]

pro is way more fun but war is not the best thing on raid

at m+ its the best for sure

[fiery gale]

Need some iron fur yeah. Usually on guardian you use barkskin on pull, it’s 40% dmg reduction on 40sec CD or so, without CD on pull you get deleted very quickly

[violet ginkgo]

Interesting please explain more since both tank uses rage.

[heady dagger]

druid can resist more than warr pullin

before poping anything I mean

[fiery gale]

I mean Warri you ideally shield charge into the pack and can already press the first IP

[heady dagger]

but u cant shield charge every pull

[fiery gale]

On guardian you need a def CD or running iron fur stacks on pull

[heady dagger]

and u dont wanna shield charge for pullin bosses on raid

as first strike I mean