protection

[shadow haven]

Do you guys use any of the weapon only embellishments? I see some warriors run ascendance

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

Double dawnthread dwarf chad here

[shadow haven]

thank you alkaizer

[pallid quiver]

Almost everyone here will be rocking double threads; embels aren't a big enough difference, but one of the reasons I've heard people give for using the weapon embel is because it still gives defensive value at less than 80%

you

really shouldn't be under 80% very often in a key, but it's not really a big difference like I mentioned, so it's not worth crucifying people over

[shadow haven]

I also don't understand why people focus so much on crit over vers!

[pallid quiver]

It does more damage and provides similar defensive benefit

[smoky anvil]

At high keys you can get white swung to death

[shadow haven]

for the parry?

[smoky anvil]

The idea is parry for girthy crits and higher chance to avoid getting hit altogether.

The vers idea is similar but with help on magic mit.

[shadow haven]

isnt our block enough

[pallid quiver]

People like to argue vers influences damage taken from bleeds and magic, which while true, ignores the fact that in order to get an amount of vers that actually influences a tank, specifically a tank, you would need disgusting amounts of vers that's physicially impossible to reach

[shadow haven]

yeah, maybe, maybe

its like old defense in vanilla

needed so much of that junk for it to work

[smoky anvil]

The timings at 12+ to finish a key are enough you will have to do pulls where you’ll be getting chopped no matter what.

[pallid quiver]

Block does a lot, but keys scale infinitely. You eventually still can get hit for like 1m a pop if you go high enough, and throwing in shit tons of melees means you can get hit for 300k a swing like 15 times in a second, which does hurt if you don't parry a single one

[smoky anvil]

The crit vs vers debate is school of thoughts warring.

[pallid quiver]

Ultimately, as long as you have stats, you're fine

[smoky anvil]

^

[shadow haven]

what alts do prot warrs play

[smoky anvil]

Whatever they want? I’m leveling a shaman and a DK currently, both for mdps.

[pallid quiver]

Jakey and Nome both have a Shaman alt

so apparently you are required to have a shaman alt. I need to shake down Sense and Mwahi to see if they do. If they do, that's pretty much all notable prot wars in here that have a shaman alt

[shadow haven]

I saw Yoda was running thunderous roar on mountain thane, what do you all think

[sharp gale]

i accidently ran a 10 with that

first pack i press on spear macro i'm like wtf is happening

[shadow haven]

How did you like it

[smoky anvil]

What dungeon? Id cry in SV without spear.

[sharp gale]

running a dungeon without ?

horrible

[smoky anvil]

I like 2-3 pulling the debuffers on the way to machinists and it’d be tougher with no spear

[tribal wharf]

you can swap gear now in keys if you have to , main hand weapon is what i replaced

i have a 606 with crit haste and leech

[sharp gale]

i was not even colossus

[tribal wharf]

so i kept if for long time

[smoky anvil]

Oh god

[pastel geyser]

is colossus the play now?

[smoky anvil]

Not even big ol’ demolishes to wipe away your tears

[tribal wharf]

not for me unless they nerf thane

[sharp gale]

i wanted to try colossus : modified class tree talents but didn't switch hero talents

[tribal wharf]

buffing col doesnt really equal nerf thane btw

sort of

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/catastrophe-what-a-catastrophe-gif-13803161

[carmine plover]

how come sometimes stormbolt doesn't stun for full duration?

[smoky anvil]

Diminishin returns

Someone stunned it first

[carmine plover]

holy shit that' a thing?

[smoky anvil]

Yes lol

[carmine plover]

no wonder trying to chain stun the stupid enforcers is failing lmao

do you have any idea about how much time that is

before it can be fully stunned

[tribal wharf]

blizzard needs to hire this guy

[smoky anvil]

You can spear the enforcers, or just tclap leap away

[tribal wharf]

small team of bug hunters/fixers and let them go ape shit on fix random wow bugs

[smoky anvil]

I also find the enforcers aren’t scary, really. It’s the flamerenders who apply a stacking dot that hurt.

You can reflect said dot

[carmine plover]

yeah something in that 2 enforecer pack is owning me

[tribal wharf]

too many things bugged lol

[smoky anvil]

Can’t kick it though

[carmine plover]

i just kind of assume dit was the enforcers

[smoky anvil]

It may be, they still fuck on high keys

One of my regular dps is a rogue though and he focuses big stuns into then

And we chop them so

[carmine plover]

yeah ran it a cuople times on 12 and i just lose health but i can't tell what it is

yeah tht's nice

[oblique quarry]

is BRD heroic as hard as i have been hearing?

[jagged pier]

apprently

[inner plank]

Any reason not a single guide mentions Throngus' finger ?

Absent from all tier lists as well

[jagged pier]

because its garbage

[sharp gale]

mmmmh

[jagged pier]

yer rage starve yourself have fun

[inner plank]

Interesting, care to elaborate ?

It has great stats and a good effect

[sharp gale]

rage starve it is then

i'll try that

[pallid quiver]

Most guides were also made before we even knew if it would do what it does. Now that it's out, it's been found

to be kinda eh, so they just continue to gloss over it mostly

[jagged pier]

vers does next to nothing comapred to haste or strength with u can get on other trinkets

and dodge does very little for us

[pallid quiver]

actually, jakey, for knowledge on the "all wars have a shaman alt" bit, is your Shaman Enha pure or do you also do Resto on it?

[jagged pier]

its ele

[pallid quiver]

So it's just that we all have a shaman alt somewhere

Since iirc Nome mostly has messed with Resto, but also plays Enha,
I moslty play Enha, and sometimes mess with Resto,

and you're a ele child

[jagged pier]

im a bad resto

and an ok ele

[dapper sedge]

i feel like i should macro ignore pain to every button on my keyboard

[lime mantle]

THat's how you rage starve

[dapper sedge]

i alwayds have so much rage tho

i can't even use it fast enough

at least while leveling

maybe it changes during M+ and raid

[smoky anvil]

It def changes at max level lmao

[nova pond]

anyone run bitter immunity

[teal laurel]

Random question is icecrown citadel bugged for transmog runs lol, you tp to lich king and fall thru the floor 😂

[teal laurel]

Situationally

[keen leaf]

do u try to execute with mad queens mandate or just send it on CD

[sharp gale]

@jagged pier mist

you do rage starve indeed

[dapper sedge]

any way to remove the main action bar?

its not in settings

i want no action bars just the weak aura

[smoky anvil]

Fucking banging, gyatt

[solar fiber]

mountain thane is considered the go to build for m+ right?

[sharp gale]

yes it is

[fading viper]

The wowhead guide says nothing about crafting a weapon, is it not worth the embellishment?

[marble night]

What have you guys felt helped maximize your damage in M+ playing mountain thane?

As you progressed as a player moving into higher keys

Obv best answer is pull big lol

[remote tusk]

full edit mode addon

"Edit Mode Expanded"

[wide charm]

How do y'all deal with Singing Steel? The first 2 weeks you could kite it and it wouldn't go on you most of the time.

Seems like you can't just range it anymore though

[shut summit]

use CDs, stun them to delay it

[sharp gale]

on the third segment of mist revenge is 40% of my dmg, i dont know if show of force is really a thing, thunderlord might be better for rage starve issue/boomingvoice

[wide charm]

gross

[south zealot]

thunderlord desyncs from your windows though

shield charge and demolish

[sharp gale]

Yep I’m trying out to figure something that will not kill you in higher keys where you would need to actually press ignore pain

Because on average every cast of revenge is around 200k of ignore pain through brutal vitality, ignore pain will go down 100%

A cast of ignore pain is 930k

[south zealot]

mountain thane is just really good defensively

more rage more ip and shield wall

spamming tc is more demo roars

more rage is more ip and shield wall

etc etc

[trim magnet]

are any of the brd trinkets worthwhile at all?

[sharp gale]

Yep like I felt why I take avatar as colossus or why anger management if it’s for that small offensive cd and for wall reduction

[south zealot]

well u still spend rage

thane just spends more

anger management is not droppable

[sharp gale]

Yes the difference is so large it makes our cd feel really weak

[urban portal]

Yeah avatar isn’t the strongest cd

But wall is strong

[sand pebble]

im a show of force enjoyer

[sharp gale]

In the 3 min 23 segment I pressed 6 times avatar as colossus it is still surprising

[south zealot]

show of force as thane seems criminal

well the majority of your rage is passive or ss

regardless of hero talent

and u still need to tc to apply dw in aoe

always outburst ss in colossus so u have more rage than u would sending thunderblast outburst

it balances out more than youd originally think

[sharp gale]

basically my rotation when i did "a big pull" was use cds etc and spam revenge and outburst ss, not pressing shield slam if not

i finished at 3.5 m dps on that

0 colossus might stack

with 40% of dmg being revenge i don't know if you want to demolish at all with a big number of targets

and just have the 100% revenge dmg increase from colossal might

anyway it's the first key i do as colossus i will just try few different things anyway

and ST looks atrocious

[split stratus]

Hi all, so I timed an Ara Ara~ 11++ today without any issue, but I saw that I parsed a 0 (yes, 0) in healing
I don't have the Swarmlord's Authority but still, that's not worth a 0.
I checked my log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rGh46aZb1mkwTKqR#fight=4&type=healing&source=5 I have 120k HPS where other tanks have 200k+ on IP but I have the same uptime (~80%).

Am I missing something ? I know logs in M+ are not always super relevant, my am I missing something ? I don't understand why my IP is so low 🤔

[safe spoke]

how much ur haste stat?

[sharp gale]

i have a flask haste

without the flask

[safe spoke]

ty

[sharp gale]

but affix is haste too

so basically i'm 53% haste but 73% when affix

[fiery ore]

quick question to all the warriors in here, do you guys abuse the los mechanic on tank buster(when it chases you) GB 2nd boss? or is that not well known?

i've noticed that doing that instead of actually running in most of my keys we gain insane time, % on boss

[sand pebble]

warriors dont run

[sharp gale]

i don't know the abuse, what is it ?

long time since last time i did grim

[fiery ore]

give me a few i'll go into my vod and show a clip, but basically you tank the boss before stairs whenever you have to run you run up and los and the boss just gives up on moving

[sharp gale]

but does it start next weapon phase ?

[fiery ore]

yes everything goes normally except boss doesn't run to you

because you're abusing the path

[sharp gale]

okok nice to know so basically you exchange dps for heal cd sooner that's cool thanks!

[misty dawn]

hey just hit 80 on my warrior, what should be my first craft if im looking to only m+?

[fiery ore]

really badly explained but you tank the boss on purple, you run up the stairs and move left to right on yellow so you abuse the path, that way boss just runs left to right instead of running @ you

(yellow should be the side of the stairs)

[amber ravine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fmn6Ycjta4DZWRN2#fight=4&type=auras&source=124&ability=132404

[sharp gale]

sorry i don't understand first, you move from bottom to top ? or top to bottom with the boss ? and the abuse itself, you can go in melee and hit the boss ?

[amber ravine]

looking at this log- how does SB maintain for a full minute at a time. what am I not getting. Granted im new to warrior so might be missing some sort of interatction?

didnt type fast enuf, link is just above haha

[fiery ore]

i'll shoot you an ingame screenshot as soon as i'll rerun it

to explain better

[sharp gale]

because i'm used to do in that direction

[inner wren]

vod of that would be cool

wasn't aware of that tech

[fiery ore]

i think it works both ways, as long as you los the boss so it triest to take another route

[fiery ore]

i haven't seen anyone do it yet on stream or in high keys and was interested if thats something known or nah

[sharp gale]

but you actually can return in melee and hit the boss ?

and it takes less than 10 seconds to do

[fiery ore]

as the tank no, since it still doing the tank buster mechanic

[sharp gale]

oh it's a thing to save room

[wicked pollen]

THIS GUY IS 2800

AHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[candid cove]

Oh my. 15% more demolish single target damage and 10% more execute damage on weekly reset!?

[wicked pollen]

@sharp gale

[fiery ore]

not my pov, but you can see me doing the mech, and what it does to the boss.
https://roland.needs.rest/chrome_1rqU9c7c1M.gif

[tribal wharf]

my assumption is that build is so he can just SW spamm and BSV his way out of everything

hmm, not sure what that build is

[sharp gale]

okey thanks i thought you were doing that

didn't know it bugged if you go really right

[fiery ore]

it doesn't bug it to a point where its abuse but it saves a good chunk / might be really good in higher keys, im still doing pretty low keys 11-12's and it has been useful (started my prot war 2 weeks ago or so)

[sharp gale]

i didn't see a single high key grim bc i dont care about this dungeon tbh, but i think they do bottom to top

to do trashs with the boss

[violet ginkgo]

Damn thane prot got nothin’

Only execute damage

[wooden widget]

When is nome gonna wake up and tell me to play colossus

Or did I miss it

[bitter zealot]

No prot warrior nerfs is nice to see i always get nervous for warrior anytime a spec is doing well

[sick grotto]

More execute damage ill take it

[grim grotto]

quick question for grimbatol. is this drake before pull 18 far enough away to not pull him? or do we need a mindsooth etc?

its the last drake to endboss

[random tree]

You can skip it normally

[frosty holly]

I don't get it. Who gains DPS on this? Because surely nobody has trouble keeping up with him normaly?

A cool tactic for sure. But unless you full out speed run away no dps should have an issue having 100% uptime

[random tree]

Just hug the wall. Works best for me if you just straight up run into the wall till you slip by

[tropic linden]

Lots of good prot are picking BSV

Plka and quazii are using

[sharp gale]

i am so glad there are nothing each tuning patch

[wide charm]

That's because for pugging it is very good.

[bitter zealot]

Can confirm it saves my butt alot in pugs cause...well yea

[wide charm]

People butt pull, healers sometimes aren't great --- sometimes DPS are completely failing at stops because they literally don't know tank busters

etc

[marble cipher]

Yoda uses it too. I'm not sold on it though, but, then again, I don't do above 12's. Heck, not even above 11's for now

[wide charm]

It provides a lot of cushion for pug runs

[marble cipher]

Have to swap too many good points to get it imo. Losing ravager for instance makes me sad

[wide charm]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAPBUVBRFVgEVCWFBUBRNVVFEVBRFVZVUECUAEVVVUCAQ

I don't find the SB from SC necessary, don't get me wrong it feels good and I enjoy it but I drop it for ravager and I like that better.

[marble cipher]

Fair

Haven't ever run double wall charge either for now. Though it can be useful in certain dungeons

[cyan bronze]

what is the rough dif in sw casts between the two talents

[wide charm]

I mean it is undeniably strong for damage smoothing throughout a run. Especially since I was pushing hard only the first 2 weeks, I went extremely casual after that so I stopped at 2700 week 2
when everyone was 15-20 il lower it was very important

[sharp gale]

it's because you play Heavy Repercussions, you don't need anything else to keep up SB

[wicked pollen]

that was not the problem

[wide charm]

yep, no issues with SB uptime

[wicked pollen]

playing sc without the talent below

is worthless

[wide charm]

It's unlikely you have the, what is it, 35% haste? for ITF anyways

[marble cipher]

I'll give your build a whirl in some keys this week. Play around the cheat a bit. Always hate it when it doesn't proc (a talented cheat death, or low hp dr in this case), cause it's a worthless talent then

[sharp gale]

i think what shocks me is no intervene

[wide charm]

Meh, it's good. Having another stun because DPS literally don't CC at proper times is also good

[inner wren]

Dropping anything for bsv in keys less than 13 is giga meme

[wide charm]

You're giving bad advice.

If people are playing the game and trying to push and are still not doing 12+ why would you assume they are gigachads

[graceful kite]

I dont get demolish buff

isnt it already omega good?

[sharp gale]

well no, you took 5% speed over intervne that's what shocks me

[inner wren]

no

[wide charm]

Ah, that's just wrong lmao my B, usually would pick up that or intimidate

[hardy snow]

after recent changes thane became better in ST, so I guess thats because of that

[sharp gale]

ok because someone will 100% insult you at some point on the first boss of necrotic wake

[graceful kite]

heavy repercussions, shield charge

[amber ravine]

Not running heavy it looks like

[graceful kite]

intervene is good intervene is cool

[graceful kite]

just pressing block and charge then

sb is a hasted cd it lasts for 8 sec and stacks

(up to 24)

[copper heath]

what you guys use for the hallway to machinists in stonevault? thje pack that increases your damage taken?

[split stratus]

In the case when I'm close to overcapping rage (Avatar + Ravager), already have 100% IP, SS/TP are up. Should I dump rage on IP even if already 100% or on revenge ?

[grim grotto]

i would press ip in m+. i mean, you getting slapped 24/7 in there. 100% IP can go away in 1 sec in a pull / big pull. if u stay at 1 mob / boss, doing nothing on you next seconds, why not ;/

[toxic pewter]

why they still not add rage generation to demolish

[knotty pewter]

do these thane changes apply to prot as well? i thought previously that hero talent changes weren't distinct to specs

[toxic pewter]

if it is listed under just fury then I do not believe it affects prot

but crazier things have happened obviously

[wicked pollen]

its listed under fury

[wide charm]

Kite if your stacks get to 15~ if you are struggling.
There are also multiple packs that do this depending on what you are pulling

[copper heath]

figured as much. still learning warrior, main tank brewmaster. facing mobs and not intervening through them to kite

its a struggle

i just wanna ring of peace and roll

are we supposed to rotate cooldowns for boss mechanics or can we normally just rely on shield block and ignore pain to get through?

[wide charm]

@copper heath Managing your CDs is crucial. Say you are doing Stonevault on Machinists, if you don't have a CD for each Igneous Hammer you're going to get massively chunked.
Spell Reflect isn't up for each one, so when spell reflect isn't up, you need spell block, shield wall, or demo shout --- be hot on your Impending Victory, etc.
When you're in a big pull, let's say the 3 groups people generally do in the hallway before you walk into the room with the double Forge Loaders right? ( going towards the machinists boss)
You do that 11 pull --- if you run into that with shield wall, immediately demo shout and shockwave you are going to have extremely different results from if you had instead chained shield wall with demo shout (6-7 secs after you had initially pressed shield wall) and then used shockwave when you needed to finally kite.
This is all of course assuming you are already doing a good job of keeping up shield block and are using Ignore Pain as much as possible
The entire reason people use Mountain Thane primarily in keys is because of the rage generation --- more rage = more IP

[round pendant]

igneous hammer hurts?

never noticed

[copper heath]

i had read that demo shout is used on CD (with booming voice) so it becomes less of a defensive and more of a rotational ability. Should i change that mindset?

did not realize spell reflect can be used on hammer. that's kinda bs and also cool

right now i'm sitting about 602 ilvl trying to do 9s/10s to try and get some gear (unlucky rolls feels bad man). so some of the pulls i'm used to now require doubling up on CDs. i definitely agree that if 1 can keep you alive, spacing them out will lead to better survivability.

shield block i don't have a problem maintaining during active tanking time. the real issue (i think) is a combination of me still learning ot face the mobs (why can't i wear a shield on my back, not fair blizzard) and ignore paining. I either cap on rage and waste some, or I spam too hard and get left without enough to revenge and i'm stuck for a global or two without any buttons to hit.

[wide charm]

I mean, you should be using it a ton, yes.

It's kind of like using brand on a VDH to deal damage

I mean technically, you can do that and it will increase your dps

but it's also a defensive fundamentally

[copper heath]

vdh is magic to me, no clue what they do.

but if its off cd, and I know a tank buster is incoming sub 5s, I should just hold it for that

that makes sense

[wide charm]

Yea, you'll get the hang of it, due to the nature of mountain thane demo shout is up frequently

[copper heath]

demo shout is reduced per thunder blast, is that correct?

[wide charm]

Any thunderclap, not just blast

[copper heath]

during avatar or just forever

[fiery gale]

Mat quality doesn’t matter for gilded crafted right? Wanna do a public order but unsure now

[wide charm]

1.5s per enemy hit, up to 4.5s per cast

[fiery gale]

Need 636

[wide charm]

Check "Thunderlord" talent

[copper heath]

gotcha, just found it

op

[wide charm]

Again, Booming Voice does increase the dmg you deal during demo shout --- but it also gives you 30 rage, more rage, more IP

I'd almost say you're better off sending demo shout during pulls instead of worrying about optimising it's usage until you are more comfrotable
You gotta walk before running

better to send it off CD then end up casting 10 less per dungeon because you are trying to optimise it

[copper heath]

yeah that's been the strategy so far. i'm mostly just trying to maximize casts of shield charge, demo shout, ravager, champion spear, and avatar

agreed, maximizing cpm is probably the core concern. and then once that muscle memory exists, casting it at the right time becomes easier

[wide charm]

And as you get more comfortable you'll start using SC as a stop, or if you have Champion's Bulwark you use it to start a pull

Ravager you might start saving to ensure better threat at the start of a pull you know your dps are going to go ham (or just big pulls because dps always pick different targets, more threat is great for stuff like that)

etc etc

[copper heath]

honestly i have no idea how to start a pull. i get mixed signals from diferent context

some say to use shield charge to initiate (after reg charge) so that you get shield block up immediately

others say ravager into avatar into TC into wing it

[wide charm]

Charge + Avatar + SB (while you are still charging, before you touch the mobs this should happen) and immediately thunder clap

Same thing but replace avatar with demo shout is another

Same thing but charge + SC is another

(charge first, you can SC at any range)

If you are absolutely screwed (no avatar, no demo, no sc) you can charge with shield wall and SS then SB --- This is not something you ever actually want to do.

You definitely do not want to ever charge with 0 defensives up to start a pack. That's how you end up looking like a new BDK on pull.

[copper heath]

oh i've done that before

a nice heroic leap into respawn

[fiery gale]

Why avatar while charge though? Using avatar immediately after first clap gives a free clap again

[wide charm]

Yes but you HAVE to get SB up before you are hit

I am assuming you are starting a pull at 0 rage

What Chalk said is good to keep in mind though @copper heath, ideally you would want to use Avatar as a free reset for Thunderclap

but that's an optimization

[copper heath]

i like that, at my gear level, its difficult for snap threat (esp with ravager being down)

so double thunderclap is worth the extra mental energy

i've been doing that so far. doesn't always help, but is can if the dps gives me a second

[fiery gale]

Tbh if you’re super lazy, can just macro avatar to thunderclap

[copper heath]

that sounds like me

[fiery gale]

But after TC in the macro sequence, that’s important

[copper heath]

makes sense

[fiery gale]

That way you’re also surely getting most avatars possible per key

[wide charm]

Do you have a SS macro?

[copper heath]

what is the SS macro

[fiery gale]

Has drawbacks though

[copper heath]

the only macro i have is mouseover heroic throw and mouseover heroic leap

[wide charm]

#showttoltip Ignore Pain
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

You need that ^

[copper heath]

and stance dance which has killed me more than once

[wide charm]

Don't REPLACE your Shield Slam with that though

you need both the macro AND a regular SS

[copper heath]

gotcha, so that button becomes my ignore pain button

[deft mortar]

Finished a NW 12 with no wipes, but overtime by 2 min cuz 9 deaths and I pulled extra % that wasn't needed

And I think I had low overall at 800k

[wide charm]

Reason being, you can IP off the GCD, so sometimes you'll want to IP and SS at the same time --- hit macro instead of your normal SS button

[deft mortar]

But I never died

Only healer shaman and balance died tbh

[wide charm]

Honestly, sit in Dstance until you are more comfortable.

Again, stance dancing is an optimization that you certainly do not need even in 10s or 11s

It's obviously good, but again --- walk before running

[copper heath]

i concur

[wide charm]

This use to be a much bigger issue, as dstance use to reduce the damage you dealt --- meaning less threat gen as well.

it doesn't do that anymore as of this expansion

[fiery gale]

I’d even argue the 3% crit barely has any value

Switching to it every now and then

[frosty mango]

Imo in m+ there’s no point

[deft mortar]

It's rly close to being about 3-4% of your overall dmg

Which I'd say is something

But it's only for low keys

Even in low keys Dstance is more chill

[narrow ether]

Just stay Dstance and don’t mental overload yourself, that 3% crit won’t make or break any keys. But you dying will/may break your keys

[deft mortar]

Just pull even more

and stay in dstance

[frosty mango]

There’s really no place in m+ where 3% crit is gonna outweigh 16% flat dr unless you’re running like low keys

[pastel geyser]

Do you guys use radiant power or depths?

[frosty mango]

In which case it doesn’t even matter

[pastel geyser]

Depths feels insanely useless in m+ lol

[deft mortar]

even in low keys, can pull even more with dstance

[pastel geyser]

On prot

[deft mortar]

and proba pul lbetter overall

[fiery gale]

Yeah, dropping 16% or 22% mitigation in hard hitting content is definitely gonna hurt😄

[wide charm]

There are times, such as when the Crushing tent is dead on last boss of Siege on each platform
or the first boss of NW (it just does no damage)

[narrow ether]

I like chalk

[deft mortar]

NW12 I had 800k overall dps on me

After Dstance xD

[narrow ether]

Dusty sticks

[wide charm]

But it's definitely not necessary

[deft mortar]

96.9% SB uptime in there

[fiery gale]

Does that take into account blocked attacks too or purely what you actually received?

[deft mortar]

I think just what actually hit me

that took my hp down

after all blocks mitigation etc.

[fiery gale]

Oh wow that still a lot

[deft mortar]

I did 580k overall HPS

[fiery gale]

That would mean your healer had to pump 800k HPS into you though or not

[deft mortar]

Nah just about 220k

[fiery gale]

Or maybe without IP

[deft mortar]

Becase I healed 580k myself

[fiery gale]

Accounted

[wide charm]

IF you want a metrics goal, something to vaguely look at on details or wahtever meters you use --- check overall at the end of the dungeon and do your damage taken - your healing done
Generally in 10~s you should be about 200-250k depending on the dungeon, so use that as a vague gauge to your overall performance

[fiery gale]

IP is big

[deft mortar]

IP is after this metric so it's not so bad

[fiery gale]

Yeah

[deft mortar]

I am still 35% of the healers healing done so he had to actively heal me nevertheless

[copper heath]

doing a mist 8

will read after

[fiery gale]

How is it again with mat quality for public crafting order 636?

Can I buy cheapest?

[sharp gale]

Public orders, you just bet strangers are kind and benevolent with your order

[fiery gale]

Is it possible they mess up?

[sharp gale]

Yes you don’t put a required craft quality they can do rank 1

[fiery gale]

Rip

But can’t I set it to “highest quality”

As an option

[sharp gale]

In public order no

Only guild and personal

You find in trade chat someone or you ask in it

[fiery gale]

The tick on the bottom I thought

[sharp gale]

And you personal order him

[sharp gale]

It’s the mats you use

Select personal on top right

You will see you can set just under it craft quality

[sharp gale]

You want me to explain you on discord ?

Voice*

With stream

[fiery gale]

It’s fine thx, I have done a few craft orders already but not a public 636 one yet. Can’t find a crafter in chat currently

[sharp gale]

If you are EU well it’s 5 am

[fiery gale]

Yeah 🤣

[sharp gale]

Public order = you don’t care about craft quality, you do that for the crest thing since you don’t care about quality

[fiery gale]

Unfortunately my warrior is also on alliance side (for dwarf) on a 90/10 or so horde server

[sharp gale]

Crafts orders are faction only ?

[fiery gale]

I thought so, maybe not?

Is general chat cross faction nowadays?

[sharp gale]

I would not know tbh

[cloud dagger]

Just use a horde character to find a crafter then log onto your ally alt and send the personal craft

[sharp gale]

Crafts orders are indeed cross faction but trade chat is not lol

[copper heath]

@wide charm i think the advice helped. that run felt really really clean
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZRYMgb3DHvPLdT6B

[wide charm]

hell yeah

[copper heath]

damage is still ass, but i'm coping and saying its gear

i feel like my thunder blast and thunder clap cpm is still low

[fiery gale]

Good idea

[copper heath]

sitting at about 240k hps. didn't read your comment beforehand lol. so i guess it was alright

[fiery quarry]

is there a trinket bis list that is accurate?

[bleak breach]

Blood mallet

[solar mirage]

if i wanted to get wrecking throw what would i drop?

[copper heath]

holy shit umbral charge in dawnbreaker wrecks

[pallid quiver]

@copper heath I happened to casually peek in and see the logs, and I was just casually looking through, but something you're going to want to mind is your defensive CD usage; you're criminally underutilizing Shield Wall in particular, since it should have like a 50 second CD with proper play and talents, and you're uisng it like 6 times a 30 minute dungeon. That's gonna hurt your survival and ability to pull bigger a non-zero amount

[sharp gale]

One of those I guess

[copper heath]

i appreciate that luerce! thank you for looking. in that mists i never felt in trouble. but i definitely should begin by using it as a proactive cd rather than reactive (damage reduction obviously does not help for damage i've already taken).

one thing i struggle with is knowing the damage profile of the pulls

[pallid quiver]

Seismic's a lot of damage for both hero specs, so that's a no-go. It'd likely be Int Shout, all things considered

[copper heath]

knowing physical vs magic changes a lot of how i think about defensive usage

similar with memorizing spell reflects

[pallid quiver]

One thing that helps is that the highest damage point of any pull is the start, since the most mobs are alive

And you can pretty safely just press reflect if a cast is coming at you; if it reflects, that's cool, but if it doesn't, you mitigated the damage with a 20s CD ability

[copper heath]

oh wait wtf

[sharp gale]

I never thought of taking wrecking throw so I just guessed the talents to drop but yes seismic is like last to go on the ones I marked

[pallid quiver]

You only really need to keep in mind major reflects, like the flamerenders in GB or reflect jukes on bosses

[copper heath]

it adds 25% magic damage reduction

even if it doesn't reflec?

that's absurd

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's just a DR if it doesn't reflect

[copper heath]

yikes i'm the least literate warrior

[pallid quiver]

We used to lose the DR if it reflected, even

But it's ben QoL adjusted to keep the DR even if you reflect, so it can be safely added at any point as an extra CD against magic damage

The other thing I'd mention is that your casts are fairly low; I'd recommend taking a few minutes out of your day, like 5-10, no more than that or it starts becoming detrimental actually, to swing at a training dummy. It's causing you to lose out on tons of rage, which is why you probably feel shield wall isn't up that often; you're wasting like 4900+ rage on some of these logs, which is a whole 49 entire rage bars throughout the dungeon

[wooden widget]

Why is more than 10 mins bad?

[pallid quiver]

Muscle memory is bessed built through spaced repetition and without fatiguing the muscles

You learn muscle memory things a lot better doing them often in short bursts than large time period infrequently

[wooden widget]

Oh man I play way too much for that

[copper heath]

thats actually one hard part about warrior for me. the high apm is a struggle for me

[buoyant lintel]

Most of your learning is cemented overnight too while you sleep

[copper heath]

what casts seem low to you?

[pallid quiver]

Your body starts to recognize "oh hm, we're doing this a lot. I guess we should support this so we don't get murdered by a lion 🙂 "

[buoyant lintel]

your neurons are firing 10x over during rem sleep

[pallid quiver]

all of them; your CPM overall should be in the 70s once you're comfortable. You're averaging less than a button a second currently

It's just a familiarity thing. It seems daunting, but it's a lot easier once it's made more muscle memory, hence why you just gotta practice

[copper heath]

i think i cast IP too much. i'm finding myself rage starve and sit for awhile before i can revenge

[hexed helm]

How could blizzard deny Colossus prot warriors the ability to use a 2h and shield

[pallid quiver]

If you do have time to play a lot, do like 5 minutes between every 5 dungeons or something; you'll learn even faster that way

Since like I mentioned, frequent, short bursts teach muscle memory real fast

Just make sure to not do it fatigued or your muscles learn bad

[pallid quiver]

You're actually not pressing it enough, as IP is your main way to avoid rage capping

You're probably pressing it at the wrong time, which makes you think you're pressing it too much, so you overcompensate during times you absolutely should be hammering that button

That's part of what the training dummy aspect will help with; you don't have to worry about managing casts and can just focus entirely on building good muscle memory. IP when at 60-70 rage to avoid overcapping, and you'll know when your rage intake is higher than normal

[copper heath]

how did you come up 4900 rage wasted? so i can analyze from my next few dungeons

[pallid quiver]

For example, if you do a standard Ravager -> Charge -> Avatar -> drop remaining CDs start, you gen a lot of rage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZRYMgb3DHvPLdT6B#fight=3&type=resources&spell=101

On any log, go to resources, and change the resources from Hit Points to rage

[copper heath]

ah

yep that'd do it

[pallid quiver]

You can get a quick summary without any specific actor selected,

And you can get a specific breakdown of rage wasted by ability by selecting an actor (so yourself)

For example, 1861 of the wasted rage was wasted by shield slam specifically

So I'd wager you're not dropping your rage before sending outbursted shield slams, since you're actually funneling a decent amount into shield slam

You also wasted 366 rage from ravager, so it's likely you're not pressing IP nearly as much as you should during your main rage generating CDs like I mentioned above

[stuck glen]

is the new ironfoe worth using? assuming its replacing random hero track weapon

[copper heath]

i think the understanding of "cast more spells get more rage cast more IP" makes sense. its pretty fast paced for decision making

failed a DB due to some heals and interrupts. wish we could have completed though, I wonder how my rage spending/generation compared

[pallid quiver]

If you have a log, I can check it out

[outer valley]

i see people recommending wheel up and down for ignore pain and shield block, does it not waste rage like that or are we drowning in it at max level

[pallid quiver]

I haven't seen any serious recommendations like that, only jokes

Especially for shield block, since you don't really spam that one

I mean, unless mouse wheel binds are just comfy for you, in which case go for it

[outer valley]

that sounds more reasonable, though i'll probably put ignore pain on middle click

no i don't want to go back to the days of wheelspinning my heroic strikes

[pallid quiver]

IP is somewhere you'll want to be able to hammer it

But not where you'll always hammer it

Since we're flooded with rage while all CDs are down (Ravager/Spear/SC/Avatar all going off at once kinds of time periods, since the increased burst rage gen will also make you quickly reach violent outbursts, which flood you with more rage)

[outer valley]

middle click sounds good then, separates it from my hand slapping shield slam

[pallid quiver]

Pressing middle click feels like ass to me, but if it's comfy for you, then that's where it goes

[outer valley]

if i had an mmo mouse i'd probably use a button on that but i don't

[fiery gale]

One thing I really need to get used to coming from guardian druid is stun = dead lol

As bear, it doesnt really matter if youre stunned

pwarr its death sentence

[azure oxide]

anyone know if there is a weakaura to glow the party frame of someone targeted by stuff like blightbone's heaving retch in necrotic? for intervene purposes

[fresh kernel]

yo bros

i'd like to congratulate my protpals for not catchign nerfs today

here's to another patch of totally not bricked keys

[high wyvern]

No changes to prot warr?

[grim glen]

I use mousewheel down for IP and it feels great. There’s a short CD on it, so it’s not like you accidentally spam 2 or 3 out. It’s a super easy thing to press no matter what you’re doing with your other hand or the mouse, so I enjoy it. Also during large rage generating windows I literally just spam it and don’t run out of rage.

[hoary pivot]

I have IP bound to A (with Movement bound to WER), right beneath Q for SS. Those are the two most comfortable pinky binds, making that finger actually useful.

[wide pilot]

When do we swap to ITF

[pallid quiver]

Around like 30-40% haste before buffs, depends on dungeon and how much uptime you need to have 100% effective uptime

Always in raid

[wide pilot]

Thx

[pallid quiver]

I'd aim for 40% if you're not feeling comfy on SB uptime, since it'll just cover everything for you at that point

Realistically, you should probably just sit on HR in M+ this whole season

There's not a major damage difference between the two if you're assuming max stats perma, which won't be the case in M+ due to bosses and mechanics design

[outer valley]

i'm trying right now moving slam and thunder clap onto my 2 and 4 keys and IP on E instead of TC and slam on Q and E, it seems okay so far

with how much it's pressed i might actually wear out my middle click and i don't want to mousewheel it

[buoyant lintel]

i dont think slam should be on your hotbar

[pallid quiver]

Probably means shield slam

[outer valley]

shield slam 😉

[buoyant lintel]

ok

phew

[outer valley]

slam is in the shadow realm

what is the arc for blocking in front of us, is it just 180 deg? i find really big pulls sometimes mobs like to wiggle past my 180 degree mark if there are a lot

especially big hitboxes

[pallid quiver]

180, yeah

Mobs also often stutter step in order to no all be stacked on top of each other, so back pedalling helps keep them all in a cone in front of you

hence why we actually say that backpedalling is useful for tanks

[outer valley]

yeah that's what i've been trying to do, was curious if my assumption on 180 was correct

[pallid quiver]

and sometimes they step on a pebble, causing them to be on a different Z-axis, therefore they're secretly behind you and you absolutely explode

[outer valley]

fun

[pallid quiver]

That's an absolute fringe case, but every time I play bad, that's my go to excuse

[outer valley]

i will put it in my toolbox for when i'm pressing release spirit

[pallid quiver]

That's the spirit

[fiery gale]

Idk man while their damage is high the tankiness seems super bad. My ppal is 575 and can barely survive M0, on my pwarr I did 7 keys on 575

[outer valley]

how hard should i be working to try to keep mobs in front of me while i'm still pulling?

[pallid quiver]

Preferably, you take no hits to the back. Realistically, you're gonna get hit in the back.

Starting a pull is 100% the hardest part of tanking imo

[outer valley]

already know that feel from bdk and bear, love that raw pull feel

[fiery gale]

Walking sideways still blocks though, so maybe use that mostly

[pallid quiver]

You don't want to fully commit defensives, since damage is high once all the mobs pile in, but it's really easy to take unmitigated hits that clap you while gathering

[outer valley]

i have been trying to strafe yeah

[fiery gale]

So the Q or E walk, for standard bound

[outer valley]

i have strafe bound to A and D, keyboard turning has been unbound since 2004

[pallid quiver]

It can help if your DPS are waiting for you to gather to pull from range with heroic throw and use mobility to just simply stay away until you find a pack to charge to and stay facing

[fiery gale]

I unbound A and D but still use Q and E for Strafe haha

[pallid quiver]

For example, if there's 4 groups lined up in a Z
One at each point of the Z,

[fiery gale]

Got used to it

[pallid quiver]

Start with bottom right, heroic throw, leap past, heroic throw bottom left, ravager top left, charge+avatar+shield block into top right and drag to top left into the ravager

DPS will know to target enemies in the ravager if they are the patient type, since they know what's going on and that, since you immediately pissed off from the first two groups that there's no aggro, so everything will pile in there with you not being in melee until engaging top right

[outer valley]

dps waiting? might as well ask for them to die

[fiery gale]

The latter is not much to ask for

[outer valley]

at least outside of groups of people i know

[fiery gale]

But waiting… good luck

[pallid quiver]

if a dps piles on to something that they tank instantly leaped away from, there is no power in this world that can save them

They're the people who were getting extra credit in school and sleeping with the teacher to still fail their remedial classes

[fiery gale]

You’re assuming dps players have their eyes open

[outer valley]

i can confirm when i'm on my mage i'm required to close my eyes

[unborn karma]

Are warriors bug/exploiting? Because wtf is this lol

[fiery gale]

Where did you get that from?

[unborn karma]

Playing the game? He just went in murdered everything

[fiery gale]

What content was it l? Raid?

[unborn karma]

The BRD raid

[fiery gale]

Ah yeah I see

No idea

Dumb to exploit though, the outlaws are getting banned

[outer valley]

exploit early exploit of.. wait why am i banned

[pallid quiver]

BRD raid has scaling funsies

[unborn karma]

But he was level 80

[pallid quiver]

i got nothin' for ya boss

[unborn karma]

😂😂

[copper heath]

luerce, quick 30 second prio when target dummy training?

thunder blast > shield slam > thunder clap > revenge
ignore pain when above 50
maintain shield block

ignoring cd abilities so i can get a gauge for how the core rotational ones intertwine. is what i have above more or less what i should aim for?

[pallid quiver]

Assume SS prior for now and keep it SS > TC > Revenge

If you have Nome's WAs, go ahead and keep that up

Reason TB is prio in AOE is to avoid wasting stacks of TB

[copper heath]

i dont have any weak auras

who is nome and where do i buy

(download)

[pallid quiver]

No buy, he free

[copper heath]

damn nome cheap

[pallid quiver]

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek

Nome's our most active TC, since Mwahi's been avoiding us since we've been bad children

@ionic fern i still love you tho

[copper heath]

what does TC mean

[pallid quiver]

Theory Crafter

They're the ones doing all the sims to see what talents are most effective, doing the math, and making sure sims are even accurate

[copper heath]

gotcha

[pallid quiver]

effectively, they're the people doing the math everyone hates

Nome's WA will automate some of the decision making for you and give you tracking for most stuff

For example, when abilities reset, TC will go red, for example, to discourage you from pressing it so you can press SS instead

[copper heath]

so SS -> TC -> Revenge

got any metrics for what I can look for after a 5 min session and say, "yes i've been successful in X"?

[copper heath]

thats actually sick

[pallid quiver]

Your first goal should be to just try to get through about 30 seconds of play, so about your CD opener, without wasting much rage, if any

It's technically possible to play without wasting a single point of rage, though it's particularly hard in M+

[copper heath]

cd opener being ravager -> charge -> avatar -> tc -> ss -> champion spear -> prio?

[pallid quiver]

As long as you're not wasting rage and still following that prio, you're going to be on the right track

[copper heath]

i understand shield block as "keep up only when tanking", i feel like that pertains more to raid tanking. am I good just to spam it when it comes off cd (assuming i have rage) in m+?

[pallid quiver]

If you're assuming all CDs, you can skip that first TB (it'll be TB because avatar turns TC into two stacks of TB) and go straight to Demo

[copper heath]

can you outline opener for me quick, i think i must not have the right image in my mind

[pallid quiver]

If you're in M+, you mostly want to avoid pressing it as a pack dies so you don't waste uptime. If you're in direct combat, you have 100% uptime if you have 3/4 block uptime talents

[copper heath]

sure, that makes sense. but for all intents and purposes, if I'm in active combat, don't think too hard, just send shield block/shield charge

[pallid quiver]

Base opener idea (this can vary as a heads up, depending on what you have available and need to do)

But like assuming everything you want to pull is in one area:

• Ravager pre-pull
• Charge + Avatar + Shield Block
• Demo Shout
• Spear
• Shield Charge
• Thunder Blast/Shield Slam

[pallid quiver]

With Heavy Repercussions talented, you'll be fine, yeah.

HR is very aggressive in giving you absurd amounts of SB as long as you can keep hitting things

During this opener, you're going to be generating a lot of rage, so be ready to hammer on IP during the entire time

[copper heath]

cool. i really appreciate your time and help luerce, thank you very much

[pallid quiver]

No worries, feel free to yell at me whenever for anything. I might not respond immediately if asleep/at work or something, but I'll get back to you if you ping me whenever I can

[copper heath]

much love friend ❤️

[stuck basin]

charge demo shout does zero aoe aggro in the first global - i think go for 1 tb first and lose some dmg from demo multiplier is a lot saver for pugging

[pallid quiver]

Ravager's there to generate aggro for you in the above scenario

If you need to scramble for aggro so hard that you can't even spare one GCD, the DPS pulled that pack before you ever touched them

If you don't have ravager or are going around gathering, yes, but this is just to go ahead and get the base rotation, no external factors, hammered out comfortably

[stuck basin]

just expect your random zugzug dps ret fury whatever to be braindead usually 🙂

[mild river]

Colossus: Demolish is gaining some single target buff next reset. Is it enough to shift things around?

[south zealot]

it already does more damage

the situations u play colossus are the same

[mild river]

I never touched colossus this expansion. Seeing all the lightning bolts is so good. Definitely gonna try it later and see. Is it fun?

[south zealot]

its very different

your prio is ss>revenge>thunderclap

just make sure you have rends up

bc youre not spamming thunderclap

[next axle]

Has anyone tried radiant power over depths?

[violet ginkgo]

I think those who M+ like choco usually use radiant power.

[pallid quiver]

i use whichever is cheaper

[limpid estuary]

Anyone know if prot war is pretty tanky on M princess?

[old galleon]

prot warr is the tankiest (and prettiest) princess

[frank bough]

Do i use Thunderous Roar or Champion's Spear in M+ after the changes?

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think there is a change, colossus still roar and thane still spear.

[halcyon jungle]

is there a macro to slam if im melee or throw weapon if im ranged?

[peak pier]

spear > roar

[barren oar]

nope

[nocturne vine]

Demolish buff seems nice for raid

[fiery gale]

What is the name again for getting gem slots

On AH

[uncut quarry]

Hello everyone, one quick question is there a haste cap or more hast more fun?

[tribal wharf]

for pwar no, its like top speed in a race

just how fast can you go without crashing

you would need so much haste, that you would start to actively and intentionally gimp your self

on other stats

[sturdy fog]

How is this trink? 619 btw, not 639, just pulled tooltip

[tribal wharf]

good, but not the very best

[bitter zealot]

Does anyone know where I can find a list of all the mobs that have the stacking dmg like guardians in mists?

[boreal heath]

Gem slots for dummies

[tribal wharf]

in DF it was tiered setting or some shit

but i never found them on AH in TWW so i just said eh fuck it, no gems for me

[uncut quarry]

Thank you! 🙂

[silent sphinx]

any of the BRD trinkets good?

molten furnace looks good

[lofty warren]

celebrate good times cmon!

Does ot change rotation? @parrygodx

[tribal wharf]

not really, execute is highest priority offensive rage dump

you send execute over everything except SS/clap

you still keep up your defensive buffs firstly

[nocturne vine]

I think that paired with the demolish buff in raid will be nice

For boss dmg

[tulip oar]

Ok, does anyone have a trick for SoB or do mobs in there just truck the hell out of you?
Like every other dungeon I don't feel like paper. SoB, my hp spikes a shit ton.

I'm talking 11+. Timed it on 11 last night, but did not feel comfy.

[ebon abyss]

why shield is breaking so fast? 😦

I feel like I need to have spare one in bag to last for whole dungeon

[fallen spindle]

helou! i may be abit dense but was searching for some more advanced routes then standard pug ones. But cant seem to find a good source... anytips? my exp is done mostly all 11 timed rest 10s

[sand condor]

Raider.io has a basics and advanced routes

[fallen spindle]

Yeah i saw some of them but it seemd like either super basic or ultra comp but maybe i just need to look better, ty

[sand condor]

Other than that, maybe you can grab them from a stream/vid of one of the big key runners that do 15s16s

[tribal wharf]

comes with the job

if you happen to be smith, get/make a puple repair hammer and put points into each slot you crafted

[fiery gale]

Lol, but if u repair before and don’t die more than once or so, it should be fine

It’s funny they did this though, very legit given how much our shield suffers from the blocks

Are you running the 10% stamina talent?

I’m currently without, not feeling like I need it

[median kayak]

does anyone has a good source for routes if im new to +12/13 keys ?

[tender reef]

raider.io they have special +12 and up routes

if you pug i would stick to those

if you got a team, i would take the time and talk about routes in generall

[median kayak]

i can only find under 12 and then its like instant "pro" routes from +12/16 runs

[tender reef]

https://raider.io/play-like-the-pros

well yeah

+12 is the pros

😄

+7 is the good players

+10 the nerds

+12 and up are the pros

[median kayak]

sadge XD

[sand condor]

It pains me to hear +7 being good

[tender reef]

if you play solid +7 keys, you are a a good player

[sand condor]

But it is fair

[tender reef]

and with that i mean "being" good at that key level, not beeing boosted through lol

[sand condor]

Tbh

The facts that in an 11/12 a single missed kick can ensure a death/wipe

Is kinda crazy

[tender reef]

and wipe is deplete

almost certainly

[sand condor]

Yup

[fiery gale]

It’s not THAT bad, at least in 11

[sand condor]

Maybe you can wwipe once in mists/ara

[tender reef]

but also not far from being that bad §§

[fiery gale]

I pugged all 11s timed some weeks ago, since then I’m alt-ing because I kinda lost the motivation for pugging 12s

[sand condor]

I’ve had my dps being 75% chunked and die to an overlap on 11s

[fiery gale]

That was before 12s were nerfed though, maybe should look into it again

[tender reef]

i coulda done that, but i didnt play for rio i played the dungeons i liked or wanted loot from

[flint cliff]

With better gear you can outdps a wipe now in 10s/11s and still time. Not 2 weeks ago. But challengers peril is big pain anyways and bad affix design imo

[tender reef]

but in S2 i will push rio first, my mistake

[tender reef]

well yeah sure, better gear will make them more easy

and better teamplay too

but still +12 is for the pros

lets ignore the rouge bug abusers for a second

fk them losers

[fiery gale]

I did all my 11s on guardian Druid. On my prot warrior I’m only doing 9s until now. But it feels really good to play

[tender reef]

i changed back to coloss recently and tried out some different skill trees

i still have to get better at using cds

i also need better WA for cds, i hate the standart ones you get everywhere

but i also dont know how to make it myself

lel

[fiery gale]

What’s also insane to me is that on my prot warrior I easily timed a 7 at 575 ilvl while my prot pally struggles with M0 at 575

[tender reef]

575 is wild

[fiery gale]

Ppal has insane dmg but really bad tankiness imo

[swift veldt]

Yesterday i asked you guys bout my problems with tanking higher keys. I've done a test run today and posted a log in log review channel. I'd really appriciate if someone would look in it in some spare time and tell me what im doing wrong about prot 🙂

[tender reef]

just post it here

lol

im not leaving this channel

[fiery gale]

Ahh my bad had to check, it was 585🤣

[tender reef]

still wild 😄

+4 they already wanted you to be 600

tbf you had 2 weeks to farm delves at that point

[swift veldt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KZ6DdFQj29BvgPqh#fight=last&type=damage-taken

Sure XD

[fiery gale]

or even 588, but maybe that was just in my bags idk how it is calculated. Tbh i felt super solid in that key

While on my ppal, only about 10 ilvl less i feel like paper in M0

[swift veldt]

Ive started season week ago and this was my 1st vault with 10s, so i guess there will be a lot to correct. Thanks for anybody that will look in it and tell me how bad im in advance ❤️

[tender reef]

thats a 9er

is that higher ?

😄

sorry

ignore that

[swift veldt]

XD np, i wanted to post highers but i was stuck with 9 so anyways if im pressing buttons wrong you will see that, later i will try to provide 10+ for comparrison

[tender reef]

you want me to post here or should i dm you ?

[tender reef]

post the log

i wanna see it

😄

[fiery gale]

I don’t have a log sorry

[tender reef]

bruv want me to post here, or should i dm you ? idk some people are touchy about this

its gonna get spammy too 😄

[tender reef]

[fiery gale]

Warri is kinda op with SB and IP

[tender reef]

yeah

[fiery gale]

Don’t need ilvl

[tender reef]

well as thane true

ilvl is just dmg

i feel

for coloss you need ilvl lol

for coloss you need ilvl for survival, as thane for dmg

[fiery gale]

Ilvl is always good

[swift veldt]

Well, from my side whatever, i know im bad rn so i wont get depressed more then after depleting 10s or angry XD up to you but if theres a ton go dm so we wont spam the chat so hard

[fiery gale]

But on Warri it seems to be not as important as for example ppal

[tender reef]

okay brb chalk 😄

[fiery gale]

To get some context for DPS, what are you doing in SV?

I did an 8 SV as my last run, and there it was 790k end of run

At 618

[toxic gyro]

It’s kinda aids to check logs on the phone but if I saw it right your shield block uptime should be higher.
As general tip reflect is your best friend so if you want to really utilize it learn reflectable spells (there are WA and spreadsheet for it too). Remember it also gives you magic dr.
Spell block is one of the strongest if not the strongest cd in the game vs bolts. So if you’re tanking casters that bolt you a lot that’s your best friend.
Sw and Demo shout are sell explanatory. If you’re gonna get trucked press them, not after you took dmg.
Dmg wise I don’t know what currently breakdown should look like. If you’re doing low dps just check priority list. Prot warrior dps rotation is not complicated.

[tulip oar]

I'm doing 11s and 12s, and I'm no pro.

I made all my own routes, though for all I know they may match some of those.

I try to keep an eye on what people have for cool downs. Or what comfort level the healer can handle.

[sweet summit]

[toxic gyro]

Nice shield

[sweet summit]

got a new one from that thankfully

[tender reef]

im no pro i made all my own routes

brother how many people you think doing their own routes?

yes its 0.000000000001%

[tulip oar]

You don't need to be a pro to open up MDT and calculate, or even watch the group's cool downs.

Yes, these are both addons, but ok?

[west jewel]

Does anyone know the formula for calculating ignore pains absorb?

[fiery gale]

Nice 😄

[fiery gale]

Wait, it’s pala

How are you not dying

[violet ginkgo]

Spam the lay on hands maybe? Or press immune a lot

[fiery gale]

But he also has like only 5m HP🤣

[tender reef]

well im not talking "pros" as in method you get 10k to do it pro, fucking michael schumacher f1 driver vettel muhammad ali pro

were talking 1% of player pro

and of that 1% maybe 1% every tried to make a route

90% of players dont even know what a route is

100% of those just randomly pull shit because youre a slow loser noob tank

[tulip oar]

Don't know what to tell ya. If anyone wants my routes, I have no problem sharing them.

[cunning knot]

Uea

Own routes always

[tranquil socket]

Any tips on first Ara pull? DPS will never keep it in their pants, so how to group them most efficiently while keeping aggro?

I don't pull to first mini boss (11+)

[tulip oar]

I do sort of agree with this, because you will understand it a lot more.

[tulip oar]

I usually go till that first caster mob. Start pulling stuff to that point. At lot of it will depend on your group.

[cunning knot]

Yeah. You're never in doubt. And you can get as close to 100% with pulls you've chosen, those you're most comfortable with.

Ez

[fiery gale]

Then you try something out and people whine “dude normally you don’t pull that”

[cunning knot]

Well they can suck it, you're the tank

I mean staying up to speed with trends and tricks is good but yeah

[sand condor]

Btw when is the first mdi?

[fiery gale]

who is normally, their bunten route?

[sand condor]

Does anyone know

[tulip oar]

You should share your route when you can.

[fiery gale]

Yeah sure

[tulip oar]

I try and make pug friendly routes. You never know if anyone will have invis pots, or whatever for fancy skips.

[tender reef]

i have dps pulling randomshit

or not letting me finish pull before they blow cds

[tulip oar]

Yeah, that's dps needing the anti-horny spray.

https://tenor.com/view/ninomae-inanis-takodachi-tako-no-horni-horni-gif-26104396

[sweet summit]

i'm goated with the sauce as the kids say

[tender reef]

yeah still you def are pro right now if you got a timed +12 without boost

and +15 should be 0.1% i dont know the numbers tbf

thats the giga chads

[tranquil socket]

Ty 👍

[tender reef]

any1 here uses https://www.wowhead.com/spell=445104/sizzling-honey-roast as buff food ?

[sand condor]

And groups starts next week right?

[tulip oar]

The Hot Honeycomb will make that pretty expensive. Compared to Meat and Potatoes.

[rocky crest]

anyone having issues in GB. regardless if I have SB up and stacked on IP when rive hits and 2 brutal strikes go through. My god it hurts

[tender reef]

rix is who

[inner oracle]

In 11 I took all to 1st miniboss by warning them to just stay close and not dps till we reach it, I went pack by pack with charges and leap, and DK helped gather with abo limb/grip once at miniboss. But if they don’t listen what can you do anyway 😁

[tender reef]

thats why i ask if theres anyone using it atm

[inner oracle]

What key lvl? I don’t have issue yet but only timed 11 yet

[rocky crest]

12+

[tender reef]

also anyone using beledars over meat and potatos? i think the str and stam are more worth than the haste crit

can you sim different buff food? 😄

[inner oracle]

Ok then maybe I’ll sweat like you in 12 can’t tell for now, but it sure hurts 😁

[eager pilot]

is there any trick to upgrade shield levels? Like if you got 2 1h wepons 619 can u upgrade shield without crests?

[tender reef]

yes

skill fury put each in one

relog

change to prot

[inner oracle]

You should craft a shield anyway if you don’t get a Mythic one in vault 😉

[tender reef]

that too

but getting 90 gilded is not that easy 😄

[inner oracle]

Yes 😁

[glossy shale]

I just created a NELF fury dps warrior but there is a chance I might do tanking aswell. Should I have chosen dwarf or is it fine?

[inner oracle]

Nelf open doors in Tirna. But can also herb for that. Dwarf versa buff in SV. But can also Blacksmith for that. Rest is mostly your visual enjoyment, even though dwarf racial is better for taking purpose but it won’t make or break any content you’ll do 😄

[sharp gale]

You do not need blacksmith, you are a warrior for vers buff

[inner oracle]

Oh yeah, true 😂

[glossy shale]

kk good to know

[sharp gale]

Personally I have alchemy and herb, but 99% herb is useless im always not the one opening

[inner oracle]

I went engi for COT buffs

[sharp gale]

Alchemy because I’m a rat

Anyway i never used ara Kara’s thing

CoT almost no one is engi so I guess it’s good

[cedar hearth]

Could I post a log to see if someone could help me figure out why threat changed hands at a certain time last night?

[inner oracle]

sure go for it!

[cedar hearth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ln3CDqhv4NydMwm9

Pull 4 of queen ansurek around 18 seconds in.

The tank that got pulled off of is a significantly better tank than the other, yet the worse one is pulling off.

It doesn’t look like he accidentally taunted

[tulip oar]

Race is so minor it doesn't matter.

[remote spire]

Got this shield in vault. Is the bonus armor and equip effect worth the tradeoff in stamina? I'm loosing 80K health compared to my current shield. A weird shield methinks

[sharp gale]

there is one doing 4x the dps of the other before 18 seconds

he didn't taunt yes

[jagged pier]

it is bad

[cedar hearth]

So it’s literally just dps during that time causing it.

[sharp gale]

i didn't check cast timeline yet, but it looks he just melee the boss

[sinful spire]

I have a 590 neck and a 619 shield. Everything else is 619 or myth. Should I 636 the shield first? Or craft a Neck?

[cedar hearth]

Thanks

Was happening multiple times last night and gotta figure out how to correct it

[cedar hearth]

Wait actually, I don’t think that’s correct, I misspoke . So Aairwarriar starts the fight with aggro, after the mechanic, meekrob taunts, but then aair pulls back without taunting. So it’s a little further than 18 seconds in

[toxic pewter]

I would improve my shield before neck personally.

[sharp gale]

they both are not amazing but meekrob was worse on that pull

aair's timeline of the pull

meekrob's timeline

[rain bone]

Distance to the boss

After Liquify, the tank that gets the debuff needs to be further away from the boss than the tank that is taking Feast.

Queen either had a really weird tank mechanic or a bugged tank interaction. Had it happen several times.

[cedar hearth]

That definitely sounds like something they’d mess up

[wide pilot]

So i tanked my 1st 12 last night and it was a dawnbrealer. Is it normal for the pull 3 and 4 (the packs you fly to the small ships for) to beat the living shit out of you or os that a sign alot of casts were being missed?

[rain bone]

I can see my threat building up and nearing 100%, then I step behind the main tank (both auto attacking, both using spells/attacks) and all of a sudden my threat stabalizes.

[tribal wharf]

finally found those extra gems items

[covert bobcat]

pugs no interrrupts - dps should interrupt the humanoid and you interrupt + spellreflect spider + castblock cd

[rain bone]

We had that issue so many times until I saw what was happening. After that we never had any issue with the boss.

[sharp gale]

basically they both seems to lack knowledge of what is prot's opener, one half used cds between pull and 18s that's it

[rain bone]

I don’t get their openers either.

[cedar hearth]

Yea the one just swapped to Prot to cover, and the one is just a bad player

[frigid timber]

Hey can someone explain me how i should spell reflect last boss in Arakara? I use my SR 2 sex before she”s finish her cast but i get dmg anyway.

[sharp gale]

and meekrob started the fight 4 seconds late, aair started at 2, the pull count is there to start at 0 ( or close to 0)

[rain bone]

The guy that used taunt is using Ignore Pain mostly, no Spell Block + Spell Reflection combo for Liquify.

[cedar hearth]

Yea he’s really bad at using defensives

[rain bone]

And the guy that isn’t taking melee damage uses SB???

[slim pier]

Are there things I should know about tanking in 10s

Kinda new

[sharp gale]

you maintain SB even when you dont tank

[slim pier]

Just did a mists 10 that went 16 mins overtime

I did make a bit of mistakes but the group wasn't good either

so im trying to improve

[rain bone]

Why? That’s exactly when I pool Ignore Pain

[sharp gale]

SHield Block increase shield slam dmg by 30%

[slim pier]

There are probably a lot of things I should know about what mobs do do be able to tank properly

[rain bone]

And then during Liquify cast I use SB + SW.

[slim pier]

Like, spell reflecting anima slash

but how do I deal with 2 guardians

[sharp gale]

burn phase of first boss of mist, you maintain SB even if nothing happens

[rain bone]

Ah, well I don’t really care about DPS when I’m tanking.

[slim pier]

So anyone?

[violet ginkgo]

spell block works

[rain bone]

Practice the route on +8’s.

[sharp gale]

spell reflect the first, spell block second

you will have spell block on third and maybe fourth, if not, use wall or spell reflect if it is up again

you need to track anima slash cd

if you want to be efficient

[violet ginkgo]

what about spell reflect 1st wall the 2nd then the few set after is spellblock since, spellblock got a long duration, and we probably cycle through rage to make wall available again for next

[slim pier]

ok ty

i still need to know all the dungeons shit

where can i find that

[sharp gale]

yes i usually do that, it's more to have spell block if another guardian is here at the end of maze

[slim pier]

how do I track cds?

on enemies

[sharp gale]

personnally on nameplate

[slim pier]

used to have something like that but not anymore

I use default platew

s

blizzard ones

[sharp gale]

and i have a weakaura

[slim pier]

Can I have the WA?

[sharp gale]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons

i think it's this one

[slim pier]

ok ty

[sharp gale]

it seems it is

[slim pier]

ok this does help a lot

thanks again

[sharp gale]

https://wago.io/LyVvlKxvs for spell cds on nameplate i think if you want to try with default plates

[slim pier]

Does it work for default nameplate?

[sharp gale]

just try

[slim pier]

ok

[sharp gale]

you can go in mist mm0 or nm to see

[slim pier]

It does but this is kind aannoying

the dragon overlay

[sharp gale]

you pull and if for example that appears it is helpful

[slim pier]

gonna have ot use nameplates

[sharp gale]

yep just remove the weakaura, the other one is enough

[tribal wharf]

how to get it, buy dew

[slim pier]

We don't know yet

Possibly trading post

[sharp gale]

you need to move that somewhere you can quickly see

[slim pier]

ok it's fine but I don't like this plater profile

Any good ones I could use?

[inner wren]

Look at streamers and find one you like?

[sharp gale]

my pusher friend don't use plater at all, so it just depends on you

he actually has spell cd on nameplates with default plates and dragon on top x)

[prime gull]

Hey, question about the Queen Feast Cast: should I use Last Stand before or after I take the Hit? I thought maybe after, because of the Healing Effect of Last Stand. What is better?

[slim pier]

Found Jundie's

it looks great

Is it a bad idea to try 10s, I don't wanna fuck up people's keys

[torpid dome]

Any recommends for platers? I dont have a plater rn, so big packs look chaos /often miss what mob is casting interruptable abilities

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/plater/ pick your poison

no, but some have ss into ip

[hardy snow]

thats bad idea

[sweet summit]

it would

[strong forum]

IP in SS is bad

But SS in IP is good

[deft mortar]

Just maxxout your CPM

120% haste mans would know

(bl + xalatath)

At that point I think haste is useless

[strong forum]

I've said it since bfa

But wow plays best at 150% haste

[wide charm]

That's a concise way to put it, nice
I always just tell people that they need 2 SS buttons, one normal and 1 macro with IP

[main vault]

Or macro SS to your 1 IP button

[wide charm]

yea, that's an easier way to explain to people, I like it

[main vault]

🙂

[violet ginkgo]

we need 3. 1 normal 1 with IP and 1 with SB

[slim pier]

gg

better this time lol

[wide charm]

Hmm I can see the potential use, but I've never actually had a SS&SB

[slim pier]

@sharp gale

What should I know about tanking in Dawnbreaker?

and where can I find routes

[violet ginkgo]

I don't think there is too much route in dawnbreaker

[inner oracle]

1st boss beam is a tank buster, watch for it, go chill timer is permissive, rest is pretty straight forward 🙂

[slim pier]

Isn't the beam avoidable?

[violet ginkgo]

adds to first boss is obvious, then kill as much adds between 1st and 2nd boss, after you beat 2nd boss then it's just linear again

[inner oracle]

the beam itself yes, but when the boss cast the beam you take big dmg

[violet ginkgo]

there is initial beam hit even if you got hit or not.

[slim pier]

oh okay

so use spell block there or?

reflect?

[inner oracle]

you can't reflect it but reflect helps with the magic DR yes

[slim pier]

yeah I know that's what I meant

[inner oracle]

what key level you going to do?

[slim pier]

10

[sweet summit]

read block/reflect sheet

[slim pier]

ok

[inner oracle]

you can reflect bolt from boss also if your team allows it by not kicking but don't count on it

in 10 as long as your are full HP with 1 def CD you're fine with the tank buster

[slim pier]

ok thanks everyone

[wicked pollen]

i think its worth to hold reflect on the beam

just kick the bolts

worth on high keys

[sweet summit]

i'd rather reflect for damage in high keys no?

[wicked pollen]

ig

maybe i just dont have enough vers to live beam at 15 with just wall

erga how much vers does your character have

[sweet summit]

12.5k

[ornate thicket]

Imo dont use reflect on the bolt casts @slim pier you want to def have the DR for the beam tank bust

[wicked pollen]

mfw i have 2879

🙂

[covert bobcat]

im the only one who have Aggro problems and preuse before pull block dont trigger?

fells like not able to play warrior tank since patch on highkeys

[short frigate]

hi, new aspiring prot warr here, i read the pins but i couldn't find the answer to my question, is colossus prot viable, and what would the build for it be ? :)

[wicked pollen]

#protection-faq

its viable

[fresh current]

Im playing prot as offspec. Im sitting at 27% haste what should i be at