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primal narwhal
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Good dps trinkets

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The vault shield might be a low prio for u but the answer would always go just sim

vague badge
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I just don’t wanna end up crafting it, just to get a better shield in vault next week copium

primal narwhal
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I mean, sometimes god just wants to point his middle finger at you and you can't do much else

nocturne vine
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Guys im in progress at Rashnan with my guild, luckily it is almost done and then i will lose my mind at Ovi… are you guys playing Colossus or Thane in raid, both seems valid but on the logs i see lesser colossus now

primal narwhal
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I'm in prog too

nocturne vine
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What u using mate

primal narwhal
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But my tanks can't pick up ads fast enough and I die to infested bite

nocturne vine
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In using colossus

primal narwhal
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Oh I'm just using normal slayer

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Feel like bladestorm is enough

nocturne vine
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I tought you were prot

primal narwhal
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Oh Im playing fury for prog

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I play prot for m+

frail ibex
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best change I ever made

waxen shore
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Once you get 2600 on prot people let you come to their +8s as arms for crest farm

sweet summit
vague badge
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Is arms so bad?

sweet summit
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it's cringe

vague badge
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Why? Haven’t played arms since like 5.4

strong forum
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I prefer arms

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Don't listen to erga

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He's a hater

graceful kite
vague badge
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Isn’t it quite inflexible in like, be either full aoe or full st or be shit at both?

tepid nest
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aoe phase? of which boss?

bitter zealot
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Yesterday was probably the most stressful day of m+. I wish Blizzard would double valorstones and crests for tanks for the nonsense they have to deal with. Maybe even make sure we always get a piece of loot.

orchid frigate
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was there an hotfix inc today or?

fresh pilot
frank rock
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I heard hunters can turtle the orb soaks

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its very healing intense so your healer needs to click buttons

tepid nest
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It's a hard boss to heal, remember you have rallying cry and intervene (if specced into magic absorb) to help out.

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Otherwise, pick better healers for your keys, tank the boss nicely so that the room doesnt get filled with shit too quickly.

fresh pilot
frank rock
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that fight seems to be outside of our control, cant help people running around like chickens soaking orbs in the middle of the room

tepid nest
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ofc you cannot control what the dps do, can only fill your own role as best you can

flint cliff
tepid nest
frank rock
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either they soak too much or healer not healing

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or both

tepid nest
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yes but any mistakes during a fight can affect what defensives/cooldowns dps and healers have. the cleaner the fight as a whole is the easier it will be to heal that aoe phase

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its a 10 mate, any healr can heal that, any dps can live it

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ye and that has fuck all to do with the classes oyu are picking

frank rock
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i would say its the player not the class

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only pick healers that have cleared the key level your going

tepid nest
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i wont tell you because i dont want to create another meta slave

frank rock
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lol

tardy abyss
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We did a +11 CoT 2-chest with a holy priest lmao

frank rock
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priests are solid ngl

tardy abyss
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Not holy

tepid nest
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disc is, holy not rly

frank rock
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they tend to die tho lmao

tardy abyss
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Holy is like by far the worst healer in keys

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It's not even close

frank rock
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how so?

fresh pilot
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tbh i did a 10 GB yesterday with a Holy priest, was just fine.

tardy abyss
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Close to no group healing

tardy abyss
frank rock
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so far ive had the most problems with holy pala

fresh pilot
tepid nest
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they are insanely good spot healers but not good at burst aoe

tardy abyss
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Holy pala is fine-ish

fresh pilot
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For me, the most issues with healers, have been druids by far.

tepid nest
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druids also suck atm

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well they dont suck, they're ok

fresh pilot
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I tend to just go after either a Evo or sham

frank rock
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Monk or sham

tardy abyss
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Disc/sham for me

fresh pilot
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Monk is also fantastic

frank rock
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a good monk is great

tardy abyss
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Havent seen a lot of good monks yet

tepid nest
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ye mate better get a meta comp for your +10 CoT

tardy abyss
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megawatt keeps complaining about mw tho

frank rock
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sham is really hit or miss, a lot of meta slaves who cant heal pick it

bitter zealot
# fresh pilot Why stressful? yesterday i did a few +10s withnot any issues?

Had a grim where the kick breakdown was me 36, shaman 3, rogue 1, restro shaman 3, dk 0. Was called a horrible tank because people were eating bolts. Had another key a 10 mists no one could do over 700k. Had another were the healer stood in mechs and died every boss. Had a siege were the dps didn't under the bombs in first boss. Had a dawnbreaker where they smashed the orb into walls

fresh pilot
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true, but most shamans ive grouped with has been fine. but yeah, sham, monk, evo, disc, all solid healer choices.

frank rock
bitter zealot
tepid nest
tardy abyss
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Its not like you find a lot of people with a brain until 12s and even then you shouldnt ever invite ele/mage

frank rock
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2600k is a lot of points

fresh pilot
bitter zealot
tepid nest
frank rock
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lmao

bitter zealot
fresh pilot
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Dawnbreaker is by far my favorite one though, that instance is fun and ez to time.

bitter zealot
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You'd think lol

fresh pilot
bitter zealot
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Maybe I just got all the pugs that were carried to their current IO.

fresh pilot
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Maybe lol, i am fairly picky when it comes to groups

bitter zealot
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I didn't even respond cause idk what to even say to someone asking that. Maybe in a 2 or something fine

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So imo double valorstones double crests for tanks! XD

fresh pilot
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I mean i wouldnt mind double crests, had so many runs fail due to low DPS etc. dps fucking up etc. and resolving in not timing runs and wasting time.

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Or just generally increase amount og crests per completion

bitter zealot
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It seems fair doesn't it tho? More responsibility deal with more nonsense seems weird we get the same as dps players

fresh pilot
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yeah, and tbh. the amount of runs we have to do is massive to hit the cap, and i know its ez. for a lot of ppl, but for old guys like me with kids and other responsibilities, its.. tough.

bitter zealot
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Same i can't play 8 hours a day. I normally play maybe 2 or 3 hours a day if that with Saturday I up it to 4

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Plus increasing the rewards a tank gets maybe more will play tank

fresh pilot
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But thats also a high risk though, because you will get a lot of new players trying to tank which will be just as bad tbh.

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tanking takes patience, and willingness to understand tactics and when to use cooldowns etc..

bitter zealot
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As tanks already not our issue they probably already killing runs as dps lol

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I played my alt for a run yesterday had a prot warrior who acted like the best tank ever...never used shield wall his uptime on SB was 60% he did pulls he couldn't handle didn't kick and blamed others

lethal bone
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Hey guys i need a shield crafted but i think im on a shit server group or something and cant find a crafter, Can anyone do everforged defender that can maybe ginv me or anything like that?

faint maple
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I think that tank need extra rewards, but if it isn’t loot even some bonuses like consumables.
If talked about cap, they need or increase gain or rebalance for all. Coz like dd your can search dng for eternity

distant kettle
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dracthyr?

tepid nest
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Its much easier to get invites as a tank or healer BECAUSE of their scarcity, that is reward alone

bitter zealot
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Nah if you're willing to take on more responsibilities and stress you should be rewarded more then roles that don't have to do much other then don't stand in pretty circles. More Valorstones and crests wouldn't be "broken" the game needs more tanks so make tanking more attractive

tepid nest
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I'm curious why you think the game needs more tanks

bitter zealot
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A huge number of players pug not enough tanks to go around. For dps and healers waiting 30+ mins for a tank is crazy. But none of them will be willing to tank without added rewards since they are all reward driven.

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Why would most want to do a harder job for the same rewards

tepid nest
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they would play it because they enjoy the role, challenge doesnt have to be a bad thing. if you don't enjoy the role or the challenge (not talking about you specifically here, just generally), don't play the role.

and if the enjoyment of the role is the problem then make the role more fun. extra rewards is not the answer

bitter zealot
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True I just feel most of the wow player base only respond to more shiny

hard cipher
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It's fucking disgusting how hard as dps it is to get into groups

zealous grove
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I think you're hugely understating the difficulty of playing dps at a high level. Tanking 10s and 11s is just as easy as dpsing them.

bitter zealot
zealous grove
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I pug regularly and i group regularly

bitter zealot
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You must get some good pugs. I run my own keys i pick "meta" or high io players and they still can't do basics. (10s)

fresh pilot
zealous grove
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They can't be that high io if they can't do the basics. I pretty much wouldn't invite anyone to a group sub 2600 rated.

bitter zealot
bitter zealot
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I'm start screenshoting XD

zealous grove
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Not an experience I've had in a key since like week 1

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Are you checking they've actually timed whatever you're running?

bitter zealot
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Yea they all had it timed on 10 one had a ++ 9

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But everytime on that last mini boss no matter who it went on they aimed it at the wall

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One said in party chat "why are we dying"

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Yesterday was definitely an outlier tho since I started tanking worst day of pugs. But any day I play there are always 1-3 keys of really bad dps players good io good gear but refuse to kick or refuse to do mechs.

zealous grove
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Try inviting off meta dps unless you need the specific utility for some reason

bitter zealot
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I'm not set in taking only meta. Only thing I always want is a shaman healer I gotten really comfy with them

loud sentinel
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Hey guys. Anything bis items or items to look out for in the brd raid compared to what we can farm in m+ or narub?

bitter zealot
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I also refuse to take any dragon bois I hate they can grab me and move me

wanton mantle
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what do you guys think of the molten furnace trinket?

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eager phoenix
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poop

hard cipher
lime mantle
wraith olive
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I don't raid so M+ is my end game. I also want to switch to tank because of the queues, but I'm also scared

bitter zealot
mental scarab
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@wraith olive tank is the easier role in the grp

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Pull shit and dont die

lime mantle
lime mantle
mental scarab
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Blame dps for failed interupts clueless

hard cipher
lime mantle
bitter zealot
mental scarab
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We will always meat some idjets @hard cipher

hard cipher
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Aye. Anyway it's good to tank for a while because they are changing mage every 2 weeks

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lmfao

bitter zealot
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Doesn't mage always have atleast one spec that's meta?

wanton mantle
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graphic about wipes causes when playing as a tank

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bitter zealot
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Blue slice is too big

hard cipher
bitter zealot
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Take 50% from blue slice and add it to red slice

bitter zealot
ionic nimbus
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Rename Blue Slice to „no path available “ and we r fine

tepid nest
wraith olive
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Thank you guys!

bitter zealot
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Now i just complain about dps players XD

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Also question in 10s what should my dmg be around? Currently I'm doing 700-750k overall

rigid edge
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Trying to decide if I swap to Dracthyr or something else

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Hate these dilemmas

wanton mantle
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imo, don't swap for racials, if you like the race, just swap.

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i race changed my warr to dracthyr allready.

frank rock
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Glide is great though

jagged pier
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Thats the one reason i havent swapped

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Cause i spamm jump so i would just glide through a boss and get slapped in the back

frank rock
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lmao

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helps a lot getting packs together with glide, the thing i miss the most from VDH

wanton mantle
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it is fun to make small movement adjustments in combat. Last night after my GM had a issue with our sub tank i ended up becoming the off tank of our guild by default and helped tank brd. Glide helped to quickly make small movement adjustments when fighting first boss and to basically become inmune to the fire boss push mechanic

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also glide makes you inmune to Ansurek thread yanking mechanic too.

bitter zealot
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Do u always have to be in dragon form?

sick sentinel
wanton mantle
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dual wielding its ok, but 1h still grabs them on that arms raised/boxing like posture

frank rock
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human form makes your group reg hp out of combat, currently works in combat though because of bug

wanton mantle
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mogs look nice too in visage, still wish i could separate the visage mogs from dragon form's

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strong forum
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Atleast you can stay in Visage perma

glad magnet
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What’s the deal with swarmlord. I see the tier list it’s junked and in here people say it’s bad. Then I see it’s the most used trinkets and the logs seem like a lot of healing. Are people just using it cause they see other people use it? Trying to decide between a 626 swarm and the 639 skarmorak shard I ended up with as I look to move into 12+.

strong forum
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Many people use it cuz others use it yes

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And I keep fighting to explain that it's mostly just hps padding

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In big pulls or dangerous pulls the trinket does nothing

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You get like 3-4mil dmg absorb per pull

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Which is nothing when you got ignore pain sitting there with 50-60mil

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In a huge pull

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Swarmlords Just racks up big numbers cuz you just fullsend it on cd so it looks "big" on overall

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It's the same way how long haired cats look fat, they're not fat it's just a lot of fluff

wanton mantle
glad magnet
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That makes sense. I’ll try some keys without it and fight against the placebo effect. My brain says “you’re tankier now” with it on. But those points seem pretty clear.

strong forum
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Tanking is a lot about being comfortable and placebo

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So if it makes you play better even if it doesn't actually do anything, it still does something for your gameplay

wanton mantle
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its nice having people to help you too, i do keys with guildies and they been kind enough to teach me the routes when i tank

strong forum
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I just yell at them to tell me what to pull

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Usually

glad magnet
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Mechagnome masterrace

jagged pier
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Nice ppl in my video game???

wanton mantle
# strong forum Usually

its the other way around for me. I just pull, and they yell at me "noooo, don't pull that one too omgsfggergdf!"

strong forum
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Yeh nah

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When it matters I want them to tell me

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When it doesnt aka below 12, I just W

wanton mantle
strong forum
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I already know what doesnt work for me so I'll then just not pull the stupid pull

round pendant
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is there a single class in a good state rn

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except like, dk?

strong forum
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Always mage

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Boomkin is very good rn aswell

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Even if they've been nerfed

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But they're turbo blasting

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Warlock also solid like always

round pendant
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I'm noticing a pattern

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casters

strong forum
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Shaman is in a good state aside from being buggy

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Yes it's always casters

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Evoker in a good state

round pendant
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so I need to just learn to enjoy casters if I want my wow experience to be less schizo?

strong forum
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I hate casters

round pendant
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same

strong forum
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So I just play whatever I enjoy

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And that's pres, enha and warrior

round pendant
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It's really hard to enjoy when my class gets nerfed into the ground

strong forum
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Idgaf about tuning

round pendant
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and my alt gets bugged

strong forum
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I'll make it work

round pendant
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Arms felt decent enough through all/most of DF

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felt ok at the start here

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and now it's ass

strong forum
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Arms is fine, not mega pump, but fine

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Could use an MS buff

tribal wharf
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i'd rather play fury cuz higher dps

round pendant
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Arms went from being like pretty decent top 5 or something

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to bottom 5

tribal wharf
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less buttons

wanton mantle
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arms definitely pulls ahead most on ST tho. still use fury when not tanking on anything that adds or mt that needs to die fast

round pendant
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I mean wcl position isn't everything but why are we catching strays

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especially considering fury hasn't even needed any nerfs after the first one

tribal wharf
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i still prefer the way thane fury plays compared to slayer

wanton mantle
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also its fun seeing you start to move up Details ranking when execute phase starts

tribal wharf
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even though i play slayer because its more dps

round pendant
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I'm pretty sure Fury beats Arms in ST now

tribal wharf
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thane fury feels a bit smoother to play i think it was

round pendant
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Really blows my mind how rogues never get nerfed

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and they're always at the top once balancing settles down

wanton mantle
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arms is more likely to avoid giving you carpal tunnel too

round pendant
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idk I play prot

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arms and fury are both reclined

tribal wharf
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thats cuz rogues dont bring literal anything besides dps and have to play at melee

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if you want life on hard mode wow, play as pug rogue, and turn on pvp mode

fresh pilot
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I reallylike having WW monnk in my groups atm, they do good dmg and utility.. def. also worth looking at.

wanton mantle
tribal wharf
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i wouldnt mind if rogue could do something similiar to what warlocks do with healthstone, with the rogue pvp create tradeable potion

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i would want that to be basically crappy soul well

fresh pilot
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what warlock spec should one aim for having in grousp, ive done a few iwth affli lock, and feels like they are below standard in terms of DPS.

tribal wharf
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2 charges at most maybe just 1 and you can only hold 1, but slightly shorter CD, not huge advantage over healthstones overall

round pendant
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all lock specs are below standard in terms of dps

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You take them for SS and summoning stone

tribal wharf
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provides like you know, 90% effective healing as just hitting a healthstone on cd

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you also take warlocks for pets

round pendant
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meta: invite warlock, take cookies, summon friends, kick warlock

tribal wharf
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pets can aggro shit through walls such as mists, and loads of various other things

round pendant
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don't do this, it's cruel

tribal wharf
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nononononono yam wrong

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browse keys, find one with warlock in it, get in, wipe the group 3 times, leave without using cookie

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THEN join new key with fresh lock stone but no lock

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i would never personally kappa

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besides stealth and party stealth, rogue too much hard mode for me to go back to it

round pendant
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Got chewed out as arms in a pug aotc for low damage

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looked at wcl for heroic queen arms

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I'm literally doing #1 damage for my ilvl and lower (went through all the ilvls below me)

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wtf am I supposed to do, grind out another 10 ilvls before I can clear heroic???

round pendant
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Outlaw is a bit RSI inducing tho

wanton mantle
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aotc pugs are always toxic af. still traumatized that i had to join around 30 to get my evoker legendary back in DF

round pendant
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yeah this one is particularly bad tho

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I'm on 60 wipes or so so far

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avg'd like 30-40 for pug curve in all of df

tribal wharf
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killing spree is a great ability

wanton mantle
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Ansurek its only bad on the first phase tho. everyone i ask says that they took the most wipes there, then the rest of the fight is a breeze

round pendant
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got to p3 twice last night

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people ignoring my advice

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we died

vague badge
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If I have an enchanted crest to craft up to 619, should I craft the weapon or shield first

wanton mantle
# round pendant Outlaw is a bit RSI inducing tho

having played feral a lot and now playing assassination recently the difference its quite noticable lol. 300 energy and 3 charges for regen vs feral 100 energy cap and a single energy regen skill every 30s

round pendant
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they fucked thistle tea though right?

wanton mantle
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not, really i think?, they just made it instant cast if you go below x amount of energy, still can manually use it though.

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passive cast*

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i actually like it. freed me up one keybind.

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and slice n dice now applies itself too. only need to use it on the start of a fight and can just forget it exist for the rest of it

split remnant
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How to negate damage from the mech boss in Stonevault? He has a big slam attack.

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Spell block or reflect dont work. So simply shield walling?

tender reef
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The first one ?

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You get a dispellable debuff which when it gets dispelled gives you like 80% dmg reduced for 4 secs

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Your healer has to wait till he casts the big slam, and then dispell u

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There's videos about this

remote ore
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How many crafted can we have at this point now?

round pendant
split remnant
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Its not like I cant survive it. It does like 30 40% with ignore pain and shield block. Its just a hasstle to think about.

tender reef
tender reef
split remnant
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It was 11. Overall I think its really shit I have only 623ilvl

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But thats because instead of upgrading my gear I had to craft both weapon and shield because I didnt get any from the vault.

sweet summit
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you have shield wall for some and it's like the only thing that does damage outside the special mechanics so you're not forced to mitigate ALL of it

tardy abyss
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623 is pretty fine for 11

frank rock
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623 is good for 11

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Click demo shout

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Boss ability that does 30% HP with ip and sb up shouldnt be a problem

craggy stream
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General mechanic question - Thunder Blast is stromstrike damage (nature + physical), and lets assume that i recieve a buff that increases nature damage by 100%. Will this then buff thunder blast by 100%? Or is it only 50% damage increase since its a mix of nature and physical?

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rough egret
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what do you have atm?

strong forum
craggy stream
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No of course not, just wanted to understand the mechanics behind it

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thank you though

inner oracle
marble night
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is it pretty commonplace to kite the Stonevault forgehands? that debuff fucks toward the end of the pull

tardy abyss
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ye you should kite them after like 10+ stacks

marble night
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or are yall chads dwarfing it off, im an orc gaymer

inner oracle
craggy stream
sweet summit
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kite to drop the debuff then go back in

marble night
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rgr

inner oracle
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I kite in 3 key/packs I think:

  • SV stacking debuff
  • GB when too much stun DR on ogre rage
  • Tirna when mobs leech on you
lean panther
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Is the one handed sword from brd good?

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It sims slightly worse then the normal raid

marble night
sweet summit
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if it sims bad it's probably bad

tardy abyss
sweet summit
inner oracle
sweet summit
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think it lasts for like 2 seconds

marble night
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which mob we talking bout

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they all ogre mfs

inner oracle
tardy abyss
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With a total of 3 vanguards you have no choice but kite haha

inner oracle
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Oh yeah I think I take only 1 with gatekeeper

tardy abyss
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The red ones

marble night
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ahh okay

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thats triggered by their auto attack?

tardy abyss
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yup

marble night
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so kite and it falls off

inner oracle
marble night
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oh im seeing it now

tardy abyss
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Shouldnt wait until 10 stacks tho

marble night
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its only 3 sec duration

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easy jump away

inner oracle
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Can also stun but lot of times you got high stun DR on them if you play with sham/aug/DH/etc

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rough egret
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then it doesnt matter, you can go with weap to boost dmg, and get shield after

vague badge
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are there shield enchants?

sweet summit
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no

craggy pilot
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anyone know whats going on with Outlaw in logs/r.io?

solemn venture
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I see prot warriors using versatility embelishment and crafting omen items with versatility instead of crit. Is vers now our best 2nd stat after haste?

craggy pilot
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people take vers because they think it will help them survive

simple drum
shut summit
toxic pewter
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they don't call it the maintenance within for no reason

craggy pilot
toxic pewter
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hopefully everyone exploiting is banned

solemn venture
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Im sitting at 21% crit, 31% haste and 2% vers. Would you think its wise to trade some crit for vers? Im mostly pushing keys.

simple drum
sweet summit
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vers embellishment is turbo fake btw you only have it above 80% (you will not die from 80%) and crit is likely better offensively

simple drum
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If you’re asking more generally, crit is better than vers so don’t give up crit for no reason

inner wren
inner oracle
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New bug with hero talents it seem yeah 😐

barren belfry
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do we like queen ring at all?

sweet summit
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it's great offensively

oak ivy
# inner oracle

Honestly good on that guy for at least including the warning

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Prog bosses dying because the rogue is suddenly doing insane dps is acceptable ish but this is just blatant bug abuse sadge

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high oasis
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oops sorry theres a log review channel..will use there instead

blazing condor
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its fine to post prot logs in here

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most ppl do it

high oasis
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seems like my shield slam and ignore pain cpm is tooooo low

upbeat cloud
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Do you guys know if the skip in Nerub-ar Palace will let you into Silken Court?

bitter zealot
jagged pier
upbeat cloud
sick grotto
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did it today

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yeah it does

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and you can revisit other bosses after

upbeat cloud
# sick grotto yeah it does

Do you know if you have to go back and still kill brood and princess to get access to queen if you use the skip? I know it's blocked by a web until court is down, but I don't know if that opens up by just killing court.

sick grotto
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queen opens up after court

upbeat cloud
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10-4 ty!

upbeat cloud
sick grotto
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yep

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sikran, rasha'nan, brood and princess

vapid forum
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Hello, with the changes to the pala tank, is it better than the warrior right now?

violet ginkgo
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hmmmm what if you trigger the skip but you still go to sikran and rash? will the door open?

plush tendon
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but, generally speaking, tank balance is very good

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and its more about player skill and group needs

jagged pier
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Is better from what i understand

plush tendon
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lots of bugs with Paladin right now

jagged pier
plush tendon
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blizz annouced theyll be doing tuning before next reset

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reality is.... they have a very full plate of shit they need to deal with

vapid forum
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okey thanks for the response 😄

bitter zealot
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I seen a prot pally do some crazy dmg

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1.2m overall idk if that's considered high for top end tank play. But he was 1st in dmg lol

plush tendon
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dont look at outlaw rogues right now

violet ginkgo
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then there is potential damage buff for protwar to not create a big gap?

jagged pier
plush tendon
jagged pier
unkempt hazel
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not true?

bitter zealot
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I'm worried prot warrior could get a nerf if anything cause blizzard hates warriors

unkempt hazel
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we need to 1 hand a 2 hander

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and bigger shield

jagged pier
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Just bring back the SL bug

nocturne vine
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Even only for trasmog

unkempt hazel
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or wait

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dual wield shields

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two hand a shield

nocturne vine
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Cant look at my tauren holdint this fucking toothpick

unkempt hazel
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a... great shield if u will

faint maple
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Oh they are alreadykeks

jagged pier
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True

unkempt hazel
jagged pier
unkempt hazel
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damn jakey

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semi friendly fire

faint maple
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Why they just don’t want to give prot a 2h and shield and delete fury. Or make it “shout spec” like augment so it buff every one, and prot just will be fun running around with 2h and shield!?

spark cedar
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A warcry barb spec that shouts at people to do more dmg would indeed be funny as fuck

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Would def main that 🤣

inland raft
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Protpally has so many bugs though right now

bitter zealot
faint maple
bitter zealot
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Just yell at the targeted player to increase dps or healing

foggy viper
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Is lizard better than dwarf as a race guys?

plush tendon
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whatever you like the look of better

smoky anvil
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Dwarf too strong, dwarf too chad, don’t go scalie.

plush tendon
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Dwarf cleanse is very powerful

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I personally like Dwarf and Human

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human stun break is quite handy as well

smoky anvil
bitter zealot
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Orc is still the Chad race of warriors

plush tendon
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orc is very warrior like

nocturne vine
plush tendon
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but Orc racials are more suited to PVP

smoky anvil
inland raft
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If i wasnt dwarf id be vulp since it eliminates the single time feel in danger which is on pull

plush tendon
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less so PVE content

bitter zealot
nocturne vine
inland raft
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Nose for trouble is super strong on pull

bitter zealot
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Also female orcs look amazing in full armor

nocturne vine
simple drum
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Troll Prot slept on big time

inland raft
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But dwarf is hands down bis

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So its not a debate

bitter zealot
marble sundial
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i forgot to check my vault

image.png
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is this good

plush tendon
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lots of haste

left meteor
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no vendor

marble sundial
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43g?

plush tendon
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and the cantrip is just extra

simple drum
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My mog owns on my troll protty

marble sundial
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it has mastery so idk

plush tendon
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dont know if trolling, but mastery is fine

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it has a shit ton of haste

split remnant
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This shit makes me want to swap from Dwarf literally every day.

image.png
bitter zealot
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Lmao

split remnant
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why the FUCK is the beard cliping both trhough the chest and head?

inland raft
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Ya got to adjust facial hair based in mog

split remnant
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There is no beard-less option so all mogs are destroyed by beards

strong forum
marble sundial
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should i add a gem socket to this neck

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is it bis i rly dont kno

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havent been keeping up with prot

split remnant
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and I remember reading some reddit post "Dont worry dwarf bros, blizzard fixed it, you can rock your beard". Bro thats literally the LAST thing I want to do

strong forum
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The beards are the best part

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Sometimes

inland raft
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Thry are just have to change it based on mog

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Cant just never visit the barber

split remnant
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Wtf is good about this? You can clearly see again both the chest and the helmet clipping through..

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0 clipping. Give me option "Hide beard "

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done

oak ivy
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How close does my alt spec have to be to my main spec for raider.io to light them both up properly

inland raft
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It exists just go to barber

strong forum
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Dwarf can't hide beard

strong forum
inland raft
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But can get ones that fit mog 90% of time maybe not fully no clip but limited

strong forum
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Or just get a helmet that hides beard

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But helmets that show beard are usually better

inland raft
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I usually just wear the crown from bod on dwarf myself

sick sentinel
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guys

split remnant
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If yo uare in game

sick sentinel
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what do if damage

split remnant
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and on your dwarf

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search for something something avenger

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And you will laugh how bad the clipping is

simple drum
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Just download Transmog Roulette like a real gamer

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And then who cares

tulip remnant
split remnant
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I usually go mogless. But this seasons set is just clip fest so I have to mog.

strong forum
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Eww

split remnant
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Best set was first dragonflight season

oak ivy
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real

vague badge
oak ivy
split remnant
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Nah season 1 had the shitty mountain mog

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where you couldnt see your head at all

inner wren
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just want this stupid warrior t2 mog but man it’s so many coins

split remnant
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That was awesome

inland raft
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How do tou even get coins besides raid?

inner wren
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shitty weeklies like awakening the machine, troupe, etc

toxic pewter
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can get 49 total this week

inner wren
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yea i ain’t doin the pvp ones

inland raft
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I want warrior and pally mogs but i dont have time to raid

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So just weeklies?

inner wren
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i want all the tank mogs

simple drum
# vague badge What’s that

Addon that randomizes all your transmoggable slots, you just click the dice icon while the transmog interface is up, spin the wheel and enjoy

orchid frigate
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is it just me who feels like with the current systems its better to have two chars of the same class than one if you want to play with different specs/roles for that class?

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must be missing something since that cant clearly be the way

daring copper
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if both are pve its fine. if you wanna pvp aswell you need 2

midnight basin
orchid frigate
midnight basin
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Oof

inland raft
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I think if main fury and play prot it works but if opposite ut can feel bad having basically no mastery

daring copper
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The catalyst charges is the big issue there

inland raft
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But still works

orchid frigate
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yeah

midnight basin
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Mastery isn't "that" bad on prot

inland raft
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It isnt but if main prot not stacking it

midnight basin
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Yea, I've gotten two sets of ring/neck for secondaries

orchid frigate
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main fury but think ill craft something for prot since i really like it

midnight basin
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I crafted my Main hand for both specs before I even got my buffed ascendance craft xD

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It didn't affect much

ebon abyss
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spear is now "champion's spear" or I have some weird SL bug?

silent kraken
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Is this worth it

dam.png
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Or good?

oak ivy
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I'm gonna guess not

nocturne vine
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Craft it

oak ivy
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No stam or secondary stats

silent kraken
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Got this from zeck from an 8 delve

ebon abyss
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does it even count as "taking magic damage" when you have spell block?

silent kraken
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Peba you have a point there lol ok thanks everyone

flint cliff
mighty valley
cold pilot
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What do your guys' stats look like?

ebon abyss
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but does it reduce proc rate from this shield or not? in other words: is blocked spell still count as "taking magic damage"

cold pilot
mighty valley
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yes because your character still takes damage that's magic

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it's not a great shield regardless but spell block doesn't affect it

cold pilot
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I feel like my stats are OK, but I'm not sure.

mighty valley
# cold pilot

looks fine, sims will probably tell you that vers and mastery are big gains

cold pilot
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weird.. i guess my haste is too high cause it's telling me i sim better with hook and and organ over sacbrood

inner wren
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are you simming pure st

wide charm
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Would y'all ever socket 149haste and 49 VERS instead of 49 crit if you have extremely low vers?

inner wren
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such a miniscule difference that it doesn't matter

cold pilot
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it was simming target dummy not patchwerk.. let me rerun

inner wren
lofty warren
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Any power that can be gained from time walking stuff for 621 pwar?

inner wren
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cuz you can also sim like 5 target 1 min, 5 target 1.5 min

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yadda adda

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depending on what you're actually looking for

lofty warren
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Or all lower ilvl and cosmetic stuff

inner wren
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that's what simming is for pepega...

knotty light
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how long is the cooldown of avatar generally, when its reduced

lofty warren
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Bro I just want to know if there are any broken tickets from time walking my lowest is 619 heroic hook trinket

toxic pewter
knotty light
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ty

toxic pewter
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can get lower than that even these days

inner wren
cold pilot
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Dungeon slices are showing hook and organ and st boss fights show sacbrook and organ

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but like 5k dps aint shit

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and i'd rather have 1 passive trinket and 1 use than 2 use

jagged pier
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But dungeon slice doesnt work for prot

lofty warren
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Back in the day when legion time walking because available ppl were going into brh for some trinket because it was omega op even at low ilvl. I'm asking if something like that exists. Wouldn't need to sim to know that

cold pilot
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even 5 targets for 1.5m is saying the same thing for me

inner wren
grim bough
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Hello. I’m looking for a guide on this season’s tanking trinkets. Preferably covering all of them. Is there such a resource? Thanks in advance

inner wren
grim bough
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‘Swarmlord is better than the rest’ is one data point, for which I thank you.

mighty valley
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The two guides in the faq channel have tier lists and descriptions of most of the notable trinkets... honestly, the power level on trinkets this season is low and none have a massive defensive impact for us, so it's kinda just gut feelings and dps sims

grim bough
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I’ve read those guides. In your opinion, if a trinket is not mentioned in the guide, should I assume it is worse than ‘D tier’? Because the guide only mentions a few

mighty valley
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Probably - if you think they've missed a trinket that's powerful, bring it up

grim bough
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Okay. Thank you for your insight

tribal wharf
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we back to BFA

inner wren
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damn we shoulda all rolled outlaw

grim bough
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Theres a bug related to outlaw atm, right?

marble cipher
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Yup

sharp epoch
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you guys doing close to or over 1m overall in dungeons? cant quite hit it

tribal wharf
grim bough
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I wish they did more testing, this makes seasonal ranking less meaningful.

inner wren
grim bough
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@sharp epoch In my usual +8 gang, the good dps do 1300k, the bad so 500k

tribal wharf
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i was hoping it was something to do with blade fury? flury? flurry??? and killing spree

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cuz that combo does a ton of dmg

sharp epoch
inner wren
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nw I can hit a milly, mists im usually around 920k in 10/11

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630 ilvl

grim bough
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I pull conservatively tho

sweet summit
smoky anvil
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I’m 628, I’m 800-950k

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Haven’t managed to crack 1mill

ebon abyss
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it turns out that shield I got from BRD LFR is not prefered armor type for pwar

chrome lance
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No stam on it? Or Str? 😄

ebon abyss
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Idk what's wrong here

image.png
tribal wharf
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any shield will say that

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at least people are taking note of that feature of the game now

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when you try to use bad weapon

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its one of those bugs that will either be fixed by end of expansion, or never, until it is removed entirely

chrome lance
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I mean, I see the issue. Yer using a shell. WHo uses a shell for a shield? Pssh.

ebon abyss
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or will be fixed and few patches later restored

tribal wharf
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hide behind solid object has been the definitive strategy for humans and animals

deft mortar
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im legit taking 0 dmg in CoT 11

tribal wharf
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in real life, for very long time

deft mortar
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Overall dmg taken 576k

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Overall hps 456k

tribal wharf
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im sending my rat dk to LFR

silent kraken
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Anyone switch to a dragon warrior?

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I love it!

tribal wharf
#

TROGADOR

deft mortar
silent kraken
deft mortar
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only 4 acceptable warrior races

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Orc, Tauren, Human, Dwarf

silent kraken
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Lol

deft mortar
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I'll let Kul'Tiran slide as well, but they're human anyway

plush tendon
tribal wharf
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trogdor was a man...... i mean he was a DRAGON man......

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i gotta go burninate some peasents in keys or lfr

chrome lance
deft mortar
chrome lance
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😄

tribal wharf
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tauren, dwarf and human

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thats about it maybe undead for meme

chrome lance
plush tendon
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you gotta include Orc my dude

violet ginkgo
chrome lance
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So ... may be late to the news/game. Ya'all see Brutosaur mount for sale for $90? 😄

inner wren
inner oracle
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we got the 5th full spark this week right? is that the titan disc fragment quest that gives the last half?

inner wren
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yes 5th spark

chrome lance
tribal wharf
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gave me 2 weapons same boss

chrome lance
sweet egret
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which defensive trinket is currently the best?

tribal wharf
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its givin me all the weapons

clear bone
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New warrior / new tank question: is there any value in creating a macro to cast demoralizing shout with another ability?

sweet summit
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no

clear bone
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Easy enough, thanks!

sweet summit
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🫡

grizzled nova
pallid quiver
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Chain's notable in that it scales with difficulty due to not being a flat absorb or something along those lines

tropic linden
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Hey, my WQ are not showing up on the map, but they work just fine when I walk up to them. Anyone with this problem?

pallid quiver
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You may have filtered them off on your map options there

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Where the option is depends on if you're using base UI or overhauls like ElvUI iirc, so I can't tell you exactly where to find the options, but they should be adjustable from the map

tropic linden
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Didn't filter, already checked

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Don't use ElvUI

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Lol, handynotes was the culprit

grizzled nova
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microsoft joined instant dollars I see

inland raft
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Not home to check, how expensive are tokens now with the $90 ah mount? Lol

tropic linden
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Bought with cash

molten gorge
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almost 300k up from around 250k on EU already keks

inland raft
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Oof by time i get home itll prob be like 300k

grizzled nova
inland raft
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Might be a swipe angle incoming i have 1.5 mil only im poor

grizzled nova
tawdry cloak
grizzled nova
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there's gonna be so many of these fucken things

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you don't even need your own

molten gorge
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most profitable mount blizz ever implemented I'd expect

cursive prawn
#

Just wait for the Gilded Spectral Tiger

vague badge
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they will make so much money

grizzled nova
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They'll make more money off this mount than they did tww sales

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for like 2 hours of effort by some modeling guy

bitter zealot
inland raft
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The real money will come from the flying ah/tmog combo mount in 5 years when they struggling again

molten gorge
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like not even bothered to make it unique

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turbo based from Blizz

tawdry cloak
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The next time they release a scuffed patch they’ll just throw up a flying ah/bank mount for $200, with a $50 mailbox attachment

inland raft
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Build-your-own mount $100 per module

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Infinite cash flow as they randomly make new assets for it

grizzled nova
smoky anvil
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Why spend $90 on a brutosaur when I can instead buy several succulent Chinese meals

tawdry cloak
jagged gust
tropic linden
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Didn't play on BFA, everyone had the mount back then?

opal wave
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Should i craft 636 weapon or shield first? Not seeing me Getting myth track anytime soon

inland raft
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Jokes on me anyways i cant swipe because the wife would go ballistic when i just told her no on some random thing she wanted to buy

molten gorge
tropic linden
tawdry cloak
inland raft
tropic linden
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Buy her a purse or a shoe that's 200 dolars

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So u can buy a mount on a game

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that costs $90

inland raft
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Bruh good purses in her eyes are like $40k

tropic linden
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Oh shit oh fuck. That much? My wife's purses cost at most $500

inland raft
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Birken or kellys arent cheap

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$10 worth of leather, infinite markup

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But try explaining that to her

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Luckily ahe is realist and knows unless we somehow become more then just comfortable itll never happen but she would certainly try to guilt me about it when compared to a digital item lol

marsh stone
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As she should to be fair lol

inland raft
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True

marsh stone
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But it's a two way street definitely

inland raft
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I just need to find a boosting community to make some gold

tribal wharf
#

you can just BUY the long boy now

toxic pewter
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I bought it

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used only in game gold though

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its worth buying if you want a mobile AH and mailbox

tribal wharf
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if its limited time offer i MIGHT get it

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maybe

toxic pewter
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i think it is limited time

tribal wharf
#

uhhhh how about add it to year long sub with the mounts pack

toxic pewter
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***Available through January 6, 2025.

tribal wharf
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i hope hes transformable orwhatever for that

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cost

toxic pewter
#

I mean considering if you want the old brutosaur it costs 10 million gold

tribal wharf
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i used to joke the new AH mount would seat 5 ppl and fly and have AH and repair

toxic pewter
#

this is a good deal

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the old one is equivalent to over 1000 dollars if you buy wow tokens for it

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this one is equivalent to like 1.2 mil in goold

tribal wharf
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if they add it to 12 month

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id do that

toxic pewter
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def wont

tribal wharf
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ehhh locks in alot of players for 1 year

inland raft
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Pretty sure based on phoyo linked here ahowinf how many bought it there are pencil pushers already upset that they didnt price it higher

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Def wont get put in a sub package

tribal wharf
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its also 150$ for a mount

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is another way to put it

zinc lichen
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The problem with equating gold to real world money is you can't buy things in the real world with gold but you could farm that gold in-game for free.

Time equals money but only when you're on the clock at work. Not when you're at home with no way of earning money anyways. So like, $90 shop mount is not a better deal than getting it for free in-game. It's just player cope to justify buying it.

inland raft
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I mean its a little more complicated when you can use real money yo buy it and theres always the grey market of selling gold floating aroubd

tribal wharf
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i have a feeling there will be an asmongold rage video about the mounts in shop later today

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with the cost and how many were released

inland raft
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But generally yes

zinc lichen
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He's banned atm so he won't lol

tribal wharf
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just on twitch, he can make a YT

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dump salt in his hair for old time sakes

zinc lichen
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He's not doing any content atm outside of life updates on cleaning his house.

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I think it would ruin the whole repenting for what he said image if he made content before his ban was up or his house was clean

inland raft
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What was he banned for? I dont keep track of streamer drama

tribal wharf
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uhhh,, bad words

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essentially

inland raft
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Ah just read it. I mean he isnt wrong about sharia law but ya to say it the way he did on a public streaming platform is pretty bad yikes

tribal wharf
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anyway, i thought i shouldnt name him here because of that topic

inland raft
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Im sure there will be plenty of rage videos from others

tribal wharf
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but, i could see him getting mad about something like those store mounts

zinc lichen
#

His wow takes are pretty out of touch these days.

tribal wharf
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some of his takes on wow are bad some are based

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like the down sides to wasting time in raid

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imagine you are completely ready to go, all the energy in the world is being sent your way, and you cant do the boss cuz you dont have a tank

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so you have to sit there for 7 hours waiting

violet ginkgo
#

I mean.. the point of holy trinity is having a tank right.
For raid I more wonder about why there is no summoning stone inside? Technically they already done it with MOP remix, that feature should come to retail too.

cyan bronze
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dehumanizing stuff

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like idk the full context but in the clip it sounded pretty mask off 🙈

velvet maple
#

What uptime on SB and IP would be considered good during m+?
Always played fury but since the countless nerfs, trying to tank.

wintry gate
velvet maple
wintry gate
velvet maple
grizzled nova
molten gorge
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Details is not very accurate for shield block from what I understand

wintry gate
grizzled nova
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Avatar should be north of 50%, nearing 55% with correct play

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IP is a button pressed to dump rage.

molten gorge
#

^

chrome lance
#

#1 = ABB (Always Be Blocking)

grizzled nova
#

You don't care about IP uptime, that isn't a real stat to track, it varies wildly and for no consistent reason.

small grotto
#

Hey guys, do u reccomend other builds than wowhead/icyveins?

molten gorge
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The fact it does anything is almost irrelevant tbh

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It's an off gcd rage spender

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Stonks

violet ginkgo
chrome lance
#

Sure. That too.

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😄

wintry gate
grizzled nova
#

IP isn't even a thing that you think about absorbing tank busters, you have other buttons that do that, that should be used for that - wall, spell block, spell reflect, demo shout, last stand.

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IP is a button you press to make sure your rage stays uncapped.

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That's it.

molten gorge
#

😩

chrome lance
velvet maple
#

Thank all for your input!

wintry gate
grizzled nova
wintry gate
#

What keys are you doing?

molten gorge
#

Don't wall my pp pls

wintry gate
grizzled nova
#

Again, don't think about IP as a defensive, it's a tool used spend rage to keep your rotation moving.

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The vast majority of your rage spent will be IP, but you're not pressing it because you want it to line up with mechanics, you're pressing it to prevent yourself capping rage.

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Overcapped rage = wasted rage = less anger management = less avatar = less damage.

wintry gate
violet ginkgo
#

I think thukker is on 10-12 range?

wintry gate
#

Idk why he won’t say, but I can’t understand either why you wouldn’t see IP as a defensive?

molten gorge
#

It just doesn't matter

grizzled nova
molten gorge
#

The fact it's a defensive is a bonus

grizzled nova
#

What possible bearing does that have on the use of IP?

molten gorge
#

But you can ignore its existence as anything but a rage dump

wintry gate
molten gorge
#

I'm doing 11s and have wet my toes in a few 12s and agree with Thukker 🤷‍♂️

wintry gate
#

I’m doing 10s as prot and if I don’t have ignore pain up I’m getting deleted by trash packs. (With shield block up)

grizzled nova
#

Overusing IP at the wrong times is going to cause you to either A) drop shield block, which is defensively worse, or B) not have rage to fish for shield slam resets, which is less rage in the long run and less IP in the long run, which is defensively worse.

#

Use it to prevent capping rage when you're above 60ish rage, to keep your rotation moving.

bitter zealot
wintry gate
violet ginkgo
#

rage cycling

buoyant tangle
#

isnt that called spinning?

violet ginkgo
wintry gate
#

So less IP means more rotation to generate rage for more IP?

grizzled nova
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And get avatar and shield wall back faster, yes.

molten gorge
#

Surely you aren't playing around IP?

wintry gate
#

👀

molten gorge
#

Like you just press ignore pain when close to rage capping

bitter zealot
molten gorge
#

That's it

grizzled nova
wintry gate
molten gorge
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You're probably hurting your survivability by trying to play around it and over using it

molten gorge
grizzled nova
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I'm not saying don't press ignore pain, I'm saying make sure you're pressing it for the right reasons.

wintry gate
grizzled nova
#

Again, the overwhelming majority of your rage will be spent on IP.

strong forum
#

getting stuck in your rotation is what kills

wintry gate
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I guess I’m playing wrong because I’m not trying to always max IP, but there will be times when I dont have enough rage (rarely) to generate more ss

molten gorge
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NW 11 a recent key

strong forum
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and instead revenge, if TC and SS arent ready

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dont empty your tank

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dont cap your tank

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its that simple

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anything in between and youre gucci

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you dont wanna be caught with your pants down and afk until SS gets ready again

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THATS what kills you

wintry gate
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interesting

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Idk how I got to 2500 playing like how I was lol

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I should be able to do way more then what I’m doing now

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Playing better

strong forum
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very likely

urban portal
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2500 is 12s all?

molten gorge
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TTV in your name gave it away tbf

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🤭

wintry gate
molten gorge
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🤝

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True

strong forum
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2.5k is barely all 10s

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not even

molten gorge
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already better than the other Americans in here

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wp

wintry gate
strong forum
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yea

wintry gate
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2505 is poop

strong forum
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all 12s is like 3k

wicked pollen
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yeah

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title is like 2980ish now

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nvm

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2996

molten gorge
strong forum
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just play it clean

molten gorge
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I don't feel like I'm the problem, and that is probably dangerous territory

strong forum
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and youre gucci

molten gorge
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ya, feels like there's always some shit keks

strong forum
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"need to do these special pulls"

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nah just hold W and play clean

wicked pollen
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yesterday

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i wiped 3 ara karas at the first platform

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because people hit things before i got to the platform

molten gorge
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some days be like that

wicked pollen
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then blamed it on me

molten gorge
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1 Thunderclap bro

wicked pollen
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wasnt my key so idc

molten gorge
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smh

molten gorge
strong forum
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tbf you need to apply some bleeds

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before you go next

wicked pollen
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i did

molten gorge
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I respect it

wicked pollen
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i stopped

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tc

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revent

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walked forward

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one of them

molten gorge
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dps unable to hold their nut, unfort

wicked pollen
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aug lusted ret sent all cds and mw was healing

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like

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xd

strong forum
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cuz they keep getting wimpy tanks who stop at the stairs

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gj you pulled 3 mobs

molten gorge
strong forum
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and 12 fluff mobs

wicked pollen
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how is it my fualt

strong forum
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absolute clown pull

wicked pollen
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if they send evyerhign

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while im walking

strong forum
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if i get a tank that stops at stairs, i aggressively afk on my mount

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infront of him

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cuz i aint popping CDs for 3 mobs

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when theres a literal turbo pull right infront

wicked pollen
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usually ive been stopping at stairs

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but pulling eveyrhting

strong forum
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"everything"

wicked pollen
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but im never going to improve

strong forum
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bro thats still only 3 mobs

wicked pollen
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if i dotn go for riskier

strong forum
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the smallies die in 0.3seconds

wicked pollen
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yeah i know

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which is why ive stopped

strong forum
wicked pollen
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😦

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omg

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for a second i thought it was another roo typing

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you scared me

waxen cradle
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I always pull everything to the first bridge in Ara Kara, or right past the first bridge but dps still start popping cds and going nuts before I have done more than TC'ed once

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Which I find hilarious since I will say I am pulling to first bridge or right past it

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Which software do people use to record their own gameplay for review?

bitter zealot
wicked pollen
toxic pewter
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this trinket any good

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wicked pollen
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sim it

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and probably not

toxic pewter
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its a defensive trinket

wicked pollen
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sim damafge

toxic pewter
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lol

wicked pollen
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realistically all you care about is damage or cheat death

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and we dotn have 2nd

raw perch
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why r people saying swarmlord is bad and why is it the most used trinket in big keys?

vague badge
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How do I sim stat weights with raidbots?

wicked pollen
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because the healing it does is not noticable on prot warrior

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you dont sim stat weights

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they are outdated

raw perch
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so what should i use instead? i'm using mythic sacbrood and swarmlords

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i have hero transmitter

wicked pollen
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transmitter will do a lot more damage than swarmlords

raw perch
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ok tyty

wicked pollen
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you can also sim it

vague badge
wicked pollen
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yeah

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and best gear

violet ginkgo
carmine plover
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for the pack in the 3rd boss room in ara kara, what helps get rid of that slow debuff taht's applied?

toxic pewter
violet ginkgo
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I think healer's dispell should remove the debuff or it's not?

wicked pollen
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praying to god your team is human

carmine plover
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the grasping slash

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ok so freedom helps with that? i swear i had a paladin tell me one time it didn't

tropic tangle
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avatar will remove stacks on use as well

violet ginkgo
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that pally lied to you I think

wicked pollen
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you let yourself be gaslit by a dps player

carmine plover
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so any movement buffs

wicked pollen
tropic tangle
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but yeah, paladin makes it pretty trivial

carmine plover
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wind rush/freedom/tigers ?

violet ginkgo
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he just want less responsibility

vague badge
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Avatar?

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Or does it only work for roots