protection

[broken light]

it works with stormstrike damage right?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[mighty valley]

what if a cantrip killed my family

[broken light]

i mean the new nature physical thingy

well that sounds great

[lusty grotto]

thats why i said interacts with thane

[broken light]

nimchip do you think haste crit will work* in higher keys?

i plan to do 14's this week

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

but with ilvl bumps every week, its possible

[mighty valley]

no matter what happens, blame the stats instead of yourself when it goes to shit

[lusty grotto]

there's always a point where there's kind of a requirement for vers, kind of

its hard to say depending on ilvl caps every week

everything is a moving target

if you want to play it safe, you can do a healthy balance of both

take note of what is hurting, that you cant solve with gameplay

the last part being important

and see if the extra vers will help out

[inner wren]

sorry nim that's too nuanced of an answer

[lusty grotto]

[broken light]

yeah thats what ive been doing so far anyway

thanks for taking time to answer ure awesome

ive been doing like 10k crit 9k vers and stuff like that

[lusty grotto]

ty, i appreciate you saying that 🙂

[waxen orbit]

Yo do you think Larynx is anyh good for dam minmaxing in M+?

Sacbrood/Larynx

Or Sacbrood/Skarmorak shard?

Or Skarm/Larynx

?

[broken light]

also one more question why does sacbrood sim low rather than ovinax egg

its cuz sim uses ovinax perfectly?

[waxen orbit]

Ovinax is good

[lusty grotto]

mercurial sims at 20/10

its sim-baity

cause it assumes you will always have it at 20/10

[broken light]

yeah thats what i thought

[lusty grotto]

and that's not the case in real scenarios

[broken light]

if i know me ill have it at 0/30

[lusty grotto]

yeah i ran it for a bit and i was mostly locked to 30

i just dont wanna min max it so i swapped it when i finally got sacbrood

if you can optmize 20/10 by doing smart uses, its great, but that's asking a lot for us

[broken light]

thanks to the ansurek ring my crit is higher than my haste now 😖

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt worry about it

[jagged pier]

Its good apprently

I dont have it

[alpine flume]

Does anyone know if a 639 [Husk of Swallowing Darkness] beat out a 636 [Everforged Defender] defensively? Is the 1310 block value that much of a difference in damage reduction?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[jagged pier]

Yes

[broken light]

well its better for sure

[alpine flume]

How do I caculate how much damage reduction that actually is in a raid? Other then looking at the number difference?

[lusty grotto]

myth shield will always beat crafted

[alpine flume]

Thanks!

[lusty grotto]

youd have to get the current K Values

which ive been procastinating on calculating

since season started lmao

oh whoops

there you go

[smoky anvil]

I’ll typically build to 20/10 and lock it in as I make a giga pull but otherwise I’m either 30 str stack or small mix

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[alpine flume]

So in simple terms, ill stick with understanding "Mythic 639 > Crafted 636". Thanks all for the info.

[smoky anvil]

I prefer it as a trinket because I love not really having to brain it too much

[lusty grotto]

thats kind of how you would use it

optimally

[smoky anvil]

Also I get to like 41% haste with it fully secondary statted.

[lusty grotto]

i just dont wanna worry about it, i can minmax an anvil or signet fine, but worrying about movement is cringe

[smoky anvil]

Activates the neurons.

[jagged gust]

that's goated

[sick current]

i do m+'s only, do I use this neck or do I use a 6/6 hero neck with better stats with valor stones upgrade? https://i.imgur.com/IElfhlM.png

[smoky anvil]

That’s without ITF as well

Got heroic sikrans in vault, shit is gas

[mighty valley]

mr jeff bezos can't you just pay blizzard games to get you the bis myth neck

[thick copper]

what %of haste is ok to swap from heavy reprecussions to into the fray

[jagged gust]

35-40 is where it starts to feel good

I have 35 and drop SB for about 1 second per 45 seconds

[sick current]

i could, but i prefer to be one of you guys, a mere peon

[thick copper]

ah ok I am at 30% base without flask so I guess I ll wait a bit longer

still 600 ilv finished leveling yesterday 😄 so I am jsut asking 😄

and also we got haste/crit or haste vers depends on sims right

[waxen orbit]

I'll try it in some 11s later maybe

and report back

[jagged gust]

yep, stats should be simmed for DPS generally

[waxen orbit]

Just got a hero track avoidance one so it's looking enticing

[manic wharf]

How do you guys use intervene

I just dont see it being worth

maybe im doing smth wrtong

but its weird

Like, whats the point of me dashing into someone and interrupting their casts

when i can make my shout interrupt everything

[alpine flume]

Is Ascension or Elemental Focusing Lense better for a crafted weapon as it can't have the lining.

[mighty valley]

huh? intervene doesn't interrupt anything

[alpine flume]

you don't interrupt your allies casting when using intervene.

[manic wharf]

I meant that

[tiny flax]

evening my Knight fellas,
is there anything beside the bonus effect ring to be considered as good from Anniversary BRD Raid if i dont raid myth?

[manic wharf]

But like, in what situation is intervene worth

[mighty valley]

intervene is good for movement, the lil storm shield from thane talents, and the occasional fixate or boss ability tagged as ranged attack (like first boss NW)

[jagged gust]

Anytime they're being targeted by uninterruptible damage, like first boss NW

[manic wharf]

Ah I see

hm

[alpine flume]

damage prevention/reduction. The magic shield (if Mountain Thane) can be very helpful

[jagged gust]

oh yeah fixate is huge, I always forget that

[pine osprey]

Anyone has a WA that shows me current damage taken? I dont want to use ignore pain if it only gives me 10% for example.

[mighty valley]

yes you do

[hardy snow]

if you have lot of rage, you want to use IP anyway to dump that rage

[pallid quiver]

I mean, you use IP to cycle and avoid rage waste, anyway, but

[pine osprey]

What if I want to pool a bigger IP together with high rage for next pack in m+?

[pallid quiver]

Anyone know what ilvl the new timewalking dungeons drop at max?

[scarlet stone]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,exist] Intervene

I can't figure out why this macro won't work on my party frames.

[pallid quiver]

if you wouldn't be taking damage, then you're already working to that

[scarlet stone]

It works if I mouseover their player model, but not my party frames...

[orchid ginkgo]

my main hand weapon is my lowest item (606) so I was gonna craft one. What embellishment would I want?

[pine osprey]

So you use IP whenever you have 50 rage?

[pallid quiver]

To avoid overcapping, so usually around 60-70 rage

If you use it too much, you end up not being able to cast Revenge when needed, so you can't get SS resets, so you generate less rage

Which means less IP, less CDR for SW/Avatar, less healing from indom, and less rage from violent outburst

The entire class centers around generating as much rage as possible and spending all of it, so you keep the cycle going however you need to; if you do need to pool IP for a big hit, you can like

just press it twice before it comes up

[tribal wharf]

will there be any guide for new raid

for as pwar

[south zealot]

not sometbing you do for engaging packs

only really for some particular bosses where defensive rotation is very tight

and only on super high keys

tanked a 28 vexamus as prot without even considering ip stacking

depleted key bc overgrown ancient secret hardest boss lmao

[iron sphinx]

any changes?

[pallid quiver]

Secret hardest?

[south zealot]

roar is (VERY VERY VERY) slightly worse

[iron sphinx]

im not playing roar so

🙂

[pallid quiver]

i thought it was known to be the key bricker for aa

[quick bramble]

any1 else feels like keys are hurting way too much?

i feel like blizzard stealth buffed the mobs

in keys

[south zealot]

high keys it was vexamus

but yeah overgrown ancient was anything under high key bricksd

bricker

even on like 20 weeklies your healer/poison dispell wouldnt dispell

and youre taking 50 stacks of debuff

[iron sphinx]

is mountain thane still best?

[south zealot]

generally speaking, yes

[iron sphinx]

buuuut

[south zealot]

colossus does more damage in m+

its squishier though

so i wouldnt recommend it

but if u were just doing vault keys its an option

[iron sphinx]

is there any good guides for prot warrior? feel like im stuck at +7

[mighty valley]

Right there in #protection-faq

[broken light]

what areas do u feel like u fail in

[molten gorge]

I always find it fascinating when people ask about a guide on a class discord

like how has someone found the discord for their class but not heard of wowhead

not even a flame, genuinely find it interesting lol

[broken light]

is colossus better for max dps in raid

[tribal ravine]

hey guyz,
i have a hero 6/6 haste/vers weapon and 619 crafted shield.
what's better: to craft a weapon with gilded crests or to upgrade the shield?

[molten gorge]

do you kill first boss on mythic?

shield is gonna be biggest upgrade regardless

but if you have easy access to mythic track shield / 1h then

[tribal ravine]

no, i'm doing keys mostly and heroic raid time to time

[molten gorge]

then ya craft shield

[tribal ravine]

thanks!

[limber cosmos]

general question: we have any data on the even heroic trinkets?

[west turtle]

does anyone else get hit like a truck by the DOT on mythic rashanan? Seems like a hard boss

or am I shitting the bed (high chance)

[fluid widget]

I’m also interested in this if you find anything out

[strong forum]

Yep, every tank does

Healers need to kinda heal there

[pallid quiver]

but their dps parse

[west turtle]

healers were complaining that we were taking too much dmg, but I was seriously spamming ignore pain and rotating defensives when I got 2 stacks

then again, it was mostly shamans and holy priests, I guess they have less spot healing, idk

[pallid quiver]

If you're hard spamming IP, you may have been actually less tanky

It's counter intuitive, but over the course of time, maintaining your rage cycle ends up being more reduction if there's constant damage on you

which

there's a bit of

[tiny flax]

LF Help pls, is there anything beside the bonus effect ring to be considered as good from Anniversary BRD Raid if i dont raid myth? i got enough keys to buy 1 Timewarp Item on Hero track

[real fossil]

how much weight should be given to the cantrip cloak as a tank?

10% healing recieved feels...not bad?

[strong forum]

Maybe 3ilvl

[unborn island]

Hey all- lovely vault question, I have once again received a massive pile of shitty trinkets, the only one I can't seem to find out info on whether it is utter ass is abyssal trap...if nothing else it is an ilvl upgrade over my siphoning light brand....

What's the verdict on it?

[strong forum]

Don't think so

Trash trinket

[cosmic heron]

Thats suposed to be a good thing or a bad thing ?

[tribal wharf]

golemlord despawnd when we killed him on ramp LOL

[deft mortar]

Imo they can't do something too wrong

[fluid widget]

isn't the heart of roccor a fairly decent trinket? each stack refreshes the total

[deft mortar]

Whereas BDKs probably run decision trees

[fluid widget]

in terms of being able to buy a passive heroic trinket (for those with shit luck for ara kara)

[cosmic heron]

Mhh ok good one and maybe dumb question but which one between pwar and pal prot is the most « tankiest » now?

[compact topaz]

At what point should we drop Heavy Rep for into the fray?

[south zealot]

20k haste unbuffed if u wanna be safe

[compact topaz]

ty

[iron sphinx]

because using only one source of information is 90% of the time not good 😄

[scarlet stone]

#protection message

[tiny flax]

i asked about the Ring not Trinket

[molten gorge]

icy veins isn't new either

idk, imo the class discords are harder to find than guides so it just surprises me

[orchid mural]

Really wish more prot wars took disrupting shout. bit of a meme to not take it IMO. i alt a surv hunter, and boy do i struggle watching these tanks use the recommended build that does not have disrupting shout.

[molten gorge]

?

[smoky anvil]

Why take it when other folks can just press they own buttons lmao

[molten gorge]

fr

just kick

[smoky anvil]

I’m not sac’ing my build so Harry hunter and Michael mage don’t have to kick

[molten gorge]

like what?

translation of that post "man it's so annoying when the tank doesn't carry me even harder"

[smoky anvil]

Ong

[orchid mural]

hmm

[molten gorge]

Looks like your DK is a brick

unlucky

[iron sphinx]

u have explosive trap

[smoky anvil]

So your response is for the tank to do more and not that the melee all have trash level kicking.

Gotcha.

30 kicks ain’t even a flex btw

[iron sphinx]

u should be flaming the shaman for not using cap totem

[orchid mural]

a tanks role is support. period. if u think sacrificing some of your dps is a loss, to keep a wipe from happening, u're smokin ;D

[molten gorge]

it's lost rage most likely

which is less IP

[smoky anvil]

You don’t know how warrior works. We run the build we run for rage to stay alive.

Kinda hard to live if we have less of our buttons pressed

[molten gorge]

and less avatars cause less rage spent

[turbid shuttle]

disrupting shout is amazing y'all cray

[orchid mural]

i main prot war, pretty successfully actually. Arthedain-shandris if you want to take a look.

[molten gorge]

it's not that it's not good

but it's perfectly fine to not take it

dps just have to play the game

[turbid shuttle]

yea for me I'd rather just have more carry ability

as a mostly pug tank

[molten gorge]

sure

[turbid shuttle]

I want to put as much of the success of the key in my hands as possible

[molten gorge]

no flame to those taking it

[smoky anvil]

I’d rather just hold people accountable and not carry people in high keys.

[molten gorge]

weird to flame people who aren't tho

[turbid shuttle]

tbf no flame to those not taking too, for me

[smoky anvil]

That’s all.

[molten gorge]

ya ofc, either is fine imo

[smoky anvil]

A fdk with 3 kicks shouldn’t be taken to anything

[turbid shuttle]

never gonna see that guy again anyway whatever

[molten gorge]

American's are so weird I swear

not saying I'm better, but all 11s is not some omegaflex to be like "pretty successfully too if you ask me 😏"

11s pretty standard for a decent tank rn

[orchid mural]

sure - u can take a look at other seasons as well if you really want to - but to say i don't know how it works - i think u're wrong.

anyways. i wanted a constructive discussion, instead it was changed to flaming and claims of flexing. moving on with my life.

[turbid shuttle]

tbh this did read to me as heated at all

[molten gorge]

this is my first season ever tanking, and my first time playing at all since SL s1

and I am like 20 score behind you

🤷‍♂️

and have done less keys

like relax lil bro

[smoky anvil]

I just find your logic of linking shitty kicks as a reason for tanks to carry even more of the load on interrupts.

That’s wild af.

[molten gorge]

^

[south zealot]

bloodsurge is more rage

more rage more ignore pain

more ignore pain more rage spent

more rage spent more avatar more rage through thunderclap cdr more shield slam through more thunderclap

more shield walls through more shield slam and more rage

more outbursts which is more rage and ignore pains

rage is very very good

if you want to drop bloodsurge you can but you’re making yourself squishier for not very much gain at all

[turbid shuttle]

does the taunt from aoe taunt also give a bonus thread window while debuff is up, same as regular taunt?

[molten gorge]

it's a fixate if that's what you mean ya

[turbid shuttle]

that's not what I mean

[molten gorge]

then idk

[turbid shuttle]

regular taunt, while the debuff is on the mob, all damage dealt does some multiple of threat (I think 3x or 5x)

[molten gorge]

didn't even realise

[turbid shuttle]

it's mostly a thing in raids, because you want to put your cds in to your taunt windows so your offtank doesn't rip off you

[fiery ore]

whats the benefit of taking disrupting shout? never really had an issue with agro

[turbid shuttle]

you get the aoe taunt regardless. the question is if you want an aoe interrupt

[orchid mural]

more imptly, an aoe silence.

[turbid shuttle]

it's not a silence

[molten gorge]

it's just regular interrupt

[simple drum]

It’s good

[turbid shuttle]

interrupt and silence aren't the same thing. interrupt must land while casting, and locks out that specific school for X seconds. silence can land while not casting, and prevents all casting. also silence doesn't work on cc-immune mobs

[molten gorge]

yes

[orchid mural]

^ silence for 6 seconds

[molten gorge]

I know what the tooltip says

[turbid shuttle]

that's not silence

[molten gorge]

but that's how interrupts work

[fiery quarry]

regular interrupt

[molten gorge]

and prevents any spell in that school from being cast for X sec

[normal heath]

what do you guys think? 3ilvl on crafted shield or hero to myth track upgrad on belt?

[mighty valley]

there are a few pulls where it's pretty good and a lot more where it's just one more kick on a 90s cooldown, and you have to give up a real talent to get it

[molten gorge]

Noooo bro you don't understand

he mains prot warrior pretty successfully

[south zealot]

kicks and stops dont work like that anymore

u can counterspell a frostbolt and itll immediately recast frostbolt

like a second later

[mighty valley]

kicks still work as they say they do

but stops don't put the spell on cd

[molten gorge]

tbh thinking about it as a 90s AoE kick it's like

is there ever a time where you'd want it

cause if you pull too many casters that you need the extra interrupts, they probably live too long anyway in high keys

[mighty valley]

there's a few places with super dense casters

like dawnbreaker

those fuckers on the ground are always casting

[molten gorge]

Ya for sure, there's definitely some value but like you said

you can only interrupt once

and then dps got to do their job anyway 🤷‍♂️

so it's not like it allows you to pull more or something that would make it actually valuable

[muted arch]

can you still get 100% SB uptime if you run into the fray?

[mighty valley]

yeah for every key where you end up in a situation where you're like "damn disrupting shout would be really good here"

there are like 15 where you don't think that lol

[molten gorge]

[south zealot]

the beams dont do anything though

[south zealot]

with enough haste yeah

get like 20k unbuffed

[molten gorge]

it's actually not an insignificant amount of rage when I look at it either

from a random 11 key

[muted arch]

like 20k without the into the fray effect on you?

[south zealot]

yes bc that doesnt give you rating

20k with no flask or weapon oil etc

[muted arch]

i see, so below that you wouldnt recommend running it?

im only at like 15k rn

[south zealot]

as colossus

[molten gorge]

sheeeeesh

[south zealot]

not unless you accept that you will have shield block downtime

so id say no

i have 17k with no haste buffs and it still has a couple seconds downtime here and there

especislly if u dont have full uptime of the max buff

[molten gorge]

an 11 NW from today (with the BSV build)

[muted arch]

gotcha

[molten gorge]

ya idk how you're ever losing Bloodsurge ngl

[muted arch]

yeah i see a lot of dudes running it in high end m+

i guess they prob just have more haste than me

[edgy bone]

That is SO much haste lol

Thats basically ~632 ilvl with haste on every piece

[south zealot]

it is but if you don’t want downtime on itf

you need a lot

if you’re okay with a couple seconds downtime 17k unbuffed is fine

wouldn’t ever do it under that though, too risky

[inner wren]

wit enough haste

[molten gorge]

@orchid mural just comparing a random log, you're doing 100m less ignore pain and almost 300mil less dmg potentially because of that single talent choice

like no meme

I don't think that's worth

no flame

[muted arch]

what talent we talking about here?

[molten gorge]

disrupting shout

in place of Bloodsurge

[lyric loom]

nothing has changed for prot since patch right lol

[muted arch]

chain has a sick new icon

and thats it

lol

[lyric loom]

does it increase my dps

lol

[south zealot]

nothing changed

if you use roar you will lose a VERY VERY small amount of damage

[inner wren]

dont tell me what to do

[nova pond]

this spec has remained stable

that is....a blessing

[turbid shuttle]

my only 2 wishes for pwar: 10 yard kick and 40 yard hammer

[inner wren]

invite ele shamans for your free keys rn

[turbid shuttle]

I also miss the aoe hammer talent

[inner wren]

worlds fastest weeklies

[smoky anvil]

Has their girth increased that much?

[bitter zealot]

I did my first 10 key with one idk if it's considered high tier dps but 2.4m overall highest i ever seen

[glacial wren]

@molten gorge what is BSV build?

[smoky anvil]

AYO?

Highest I’ve seen is 1.9mill from a ret

[molten gorge]

Battle Scarred Veteran

[glacial wren]

Oh

[bitter zealot]

Never played with a good ret highest i seen one do is like 800k overall

[glacial wren]

Closed 12 NW 2day with sham overall 2,5 mill

[smoky anvil]

Yikes. 800-900k is what I’m pulling myself. XD

[molten gorge]

Ele Sham getting nerfed end of the week if not sooner

It's nutterball rn

[golden sedge]

is there a point to stop getting haste or keep building it even in penalty?

[bitter zealot]

Yea i don't see many high dps players in my pug keys lol

Also the closest dps in that key was 650k XD

[errant widget]

I'm seeking advice on the right choice here as both Mythic raider and M+ player. The weapon seems to be BIS for S1, whilst belt is the bigger upgrade right now. Sim suggests vault belt + crafted wep and shield (ascension emb) >>> vault weapon + crafted belt and shield (double dawn emb). That's a patchwerk sim though, and I understand acsension loses a ton of value in M+

[bitter zealot]

So then prot warrior 3 ele shamans and restro shaman meta? Maybe ?

[inner wren]

theyre hyper overtuned rn

like capable of 4-5 mill overall depending on ur pull sizes

[molten gorge]

Outlaw looking kinda spicy from some logs that got posted too

[muted arch]

does BSV not increase healing of impending victory?

[smoky anvil]

What key level

650 is sad

Oh, 10

Bro that’s criminal

[bitter zealot]

Was a 10 CoT timed it cause of that shaman

[smoky anvil]

You had literal terrorists without that sham

[inner wren]

id take a vault wep any day if you dont already have a myth track wep

[bitter zealot]

Shaman didn't say a word just disappeared into the night

[smoky anvil]

Based

[torpid merlin]

Would you all craft a 636 cloak or a 636 belt? Have 619 in both already. The belt has poor stats but has a socket. The cloak has bis stats. I'm leaning cloak because it will also give me a reason not to take a cloak should one come up in vault.

[mighty valley]

Any chance of getting the cantrip cloak

[toxic pewter]

Yes it does. Last stand too. Best to use last stand before iv

[rain bone]

Me:

Why tf am I taking so much damage in this +8 Dawnbreaker?! It's absurd.
Also me:
Using Battle Stance
Still timed it 😎

[sonic tinsel]

our warrior is taunting ansurek right after the liquefy cast on heroic and taunt isnt going off. is that the right timing because taunt just isnt casting half of our pulls

[mighty valley]

Do you have a log, might have gotten diminishing returns somehow

[sonic tinsel]

we think its becaues hes doing it right after liquefy finishes instead of during halfway through the cast

so our old tank still has aggro when she decides who to feast

i have logs but idk how useful it would be, nobody is taunting except on the specific tuant swaps

[mint pike]

You need to taunt before the next cast after liquefy

ideally mid-cast of liquefy

tank buster design is so inconsistent its awful, some of them are locked in on target but some will hit whoever the target is at the end of the cast

[sonic tinsel]

this patch in particular is incredibly frustrating for our AOTC-only guild

no way to get OP gear as easily cause our blasters cant carry people through 10s

[mint pike]

tell your tank to taunt off as soon as they see boss casting liquefy and prep defensive for the next hit

[sonic tinsel]

and just buggy encounters pun not intended and intended. Were having him do mid cast and it seems like itll be more consistent 🤞 thank you!

[turbid shuttle]

I was in 12 SV getting absolutely rocked by the twins boss tank buster. "wow, this hits really hard on 12 damn... oh I'm in battle... since 2 keys ago? shit"

[rain bone]

I always taunt DURING the cast.

[chilly brook]

This patch is incredibly frustrating. The content is good, but the tuning of keys is so toxic.

[rain bone]

Also, make sure that after Liquify, you aren't super close to the boss

[chilly brook]

Coming from a guy who does mythic and would like to push keys

[rain bone]

Try to be behind the 2nd tank

As you generate more threat than he does if you are closer

Experienced that a lot in my pugs

[chilly brook]

You just hit a point where it's impossible to get into keys if you're not a "meta" spec because of how toxic it's been

[sonic tinsel]

wait what?

proximity matters for threat gen?

[rain bone]

Yes

If you watch your threat

[sonic tinsel]

for warrior or all tanks?

[rain bone]

You can see it slowly rise

All tanks

If you are closer

[turbid shuttle]

on that boss or in general?

[chilly brook]

?

[turbid shuttle]

I've never seen that before

or heard of it

[chilly brook]

That sounds extremely incorrect

[rain bone]

Not sure if it's for everything

But that's true for Queen at least

It might be a bugged interaction with her

[chilly brook]

Taunt is just a button that puts you at the top of threat and increases threat gen for the next couple seconds

[rain bone]

But if you are closer than the tank currently tanking, you can see your threat go from 70% to 75>80>90>99 and then you get 1 hit.

And die.

[chilly brook]

Or is it possible that you're pressing buttons better than he is

and doing more damage

and ripping threat

[rain bone]

What I ended up doing to prevent that in the beginning, was that I used Challenging Shout around 2-3 seconds after my taunt

And then I taunted again once it was up

[rain bone]

I was doing ~100k less damage than he was

And generating more threat than he was

Because he is going out of melee range moving the boss

And I'm inside the boss circle

Or even close on the outside

[chilly brook]

No

you're generating more threat because he's not hitting the boss and you are

[rain bone]

Nope, even when he was standing still.

And just hitting the boss

I could see every spell and attack I did

[chilly brook]

logs

[rain bone]

Generated threat

[chilly brook]

por favor

[rain bone]

Not sure if they were logged cuz I never defeated the boss

So it's all wipes.

Not sure if anyone else logged it but I wasn't.

Haven't set up logging yet.

But you could try it out

Get like a healer, a tank buddy of yours and try it out as you 3 or something

Not sure if that would work but

I was generating more threat than he was, and I was 100k less DPS than he was

It doesn't matter what tank they were, they've been Pala, Druid, DK, DH

I still generated more threat than them

I had to stop attacking the boss

Turn around from the boss

And then just not attack the boss for the longest time.

Turns out

All I had to do was be behind him

And I ended up not generating more threat than him

[chilly brook]

character name

?

[rain bone]

And ended up going down to around 60% threat

Malikaskye-Silvermoon

I literally haven't had that issue on any other boss other than Queen

[chilly brook]

Hard to see any pulls on queen

just one kill on normal and that's it

[rain bone]

Yeah

I guess people don't parse prog ;p

And I don't parse at all

But like this

Big fushia = Queen
Smol red = Me
Smol teal = other tank

I'd generate more threat than he does

[chilly brook]

our tanks haven't experienced this, and I haven't either

[rain bone]

But as SOON as I walk behind him, no issue at all

All of a sudden threat gen is normal

[chilly brook]

I would expect there to be sometihng else going on

[rain bone]

And I'm stabilizing at what, 60%?

It would suck cuz

Sometimes during webs

I'd be in front of him

And I'd see my threat go higher and higher

Just waiting for that shhhlap to end it all

Pretty sure that it's a bugged interaction though

And it shouldn't happen.

Unless they thought it would be a fun... tank mechanic?

Sounds odd though, never experienced it on any other Nerhubarb bosses

[vernal aspen]

can someone share a colossus build for m+? I've checked wowhead but they only have colossus builds for raid

[onyx moon]

among prot, fury, and arms which have you guys found to be best for delves?

[rain bone]

Should check Quazii's m+ talent build.

He includes a Colossus variant, at least he did in his video.

With a few swaps in talents.

[marsh stone]

Anyone tried out BRD yet?

[untold hornet]

thoughts?

[sick grotto]

Oh queen is the worst other cotanks are annoying af

[west turtle]

I'm having issues doing damage during Mythic raids, I run Ara-kara Sacbrood + Swamlord and I go for a more defensive build in most fights, but of course I get grey parses all the time, do you think that's the wrong approach to progress?

[mighty valley]

I mean parses are just a dps ranking

So it makes sense if you’re deliberately making more defensive choices you’d parse lower

But Grey is pretty low, might be missing something

[keen pivot]

Hey all, I sometimes tank, keys and tonight tanking mythic. I am not sure what I should use for trinkets. I have a 626 sacbrood which I am using for sure, but also ahve a 626 Sikran's Endless Arsenal and 626 Skarmorak Shard. Been using Sikran's. But neither of these seem like a slam dunk.

[mighty valley]

Shard’s pretty good, lines up with our CDs

But overall trinkets are less powerful this season so there’s no huge difference

[marsh stone]

Be wary of parses, the tank dps parses get overblown by geared players pushing dps talents and trinkets and screaming for PI

[fluid widget]

swarmlord is never going to save you in mythic raid tbf

because it reduces a lot of chip damage, which is why it feels pretty effective in m+

in raid, its all about significant defensives for the tank busters. but also grey parsing doesnt matter as much as long as you are doing your job

[sick grotto]

@west turtle if your grey parsing it will not be the trinkets fault. You could run a defensive trink and easily get 80-90 parses

[west turtle]

Yeah, I was using it on M+ and have been doing great on keys, but not so much on raid, I will use something else, thanks

[sick grotto]

I got a few 95+ running defensive trinks

On brood twister and queen

[west turtle]

Mythic?

[sick grotto]

Na was heroic

[mighty valley]

the competition is way tighter in mythic

[sick grotto]

I get that

[fluid widget]

so many fewer people running it

[sick grotto]

Point still stands

Its not going to gutter your dmg

[mighty valley]

but yes, grey parse does sound like there are prob rotation issues

[west turtle]

what build are you guys running on Rashanan mythic?

[fluid widget]

it could be not a rotation issue but a messy kill

[mighty valley]

yeah also true

[west turtle]

I forgo Ravager and get Battle Scarred Veteran

[fluid widget]

like if you have a 3m longer kill, no rotation will save that

[mighty valley]

anyway share a log if you wanna be sure things are good

otherwise we’re just guessing

[west turtle]

this is my last Sikran kill:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tc7M8wPR3pd9Kgzm#fight=85&type=damage-done

and all my M Sikran have been around 10-20 in parses

[sick grotto]

Your dmg is pretty low

Think sikran im doing 700k

Are u running execute build?

[west turtle]

first 3 kills I didn't, last kill I used it iirc

[sick grotto]

Ill show u one of mine a sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hv1mxLn283adAKct#fight=12&type=damage-done

Mayb compare the casts

Also because this is heroic dmg will naturally be skewed kill time is shorter so will inflate the dmg a bit being closer to lust

[west turtle]

Yeah, 3m fight vs 6m fight, seems harder to compare them

[sick grotto]

Regardless 250k difference is alot

And your execute phase is longer

Which is a big portion of our dmg

[west turtle]

would stats affect this?

I'm running more of a vers/haste build right now, it works better on keys

but most people run a crit/haste build

[sick grotto]

Im mostly haste vers personally id have to double check stats

Have u tried simming? Your dmg

[west turtle]

wth, the average cast damage of thunderblast of a guy with 100 parses is 1.5m, but mine is 340k dmg

[mighty valley]

You both cast three spears/three ravages despite the fabox fight being 2x the length

[west turtle]

yeah, seems like my cd usage is suboptimal

[mighty valley]

Avatar uptime lower, yeah just press your buttons when you got em

[west turtle]

but still, the difference of average damage from Thunderblast is excessive, why would that happen?

[narrow cape]

Is Gathering Clouds an additional flat 30% or 30% more of 25?

[west turtle]

Trinkets?

[mighty valley]

1.5M average thunder blast on a single target fight sounds wacky, that’s like they’re all outbursted and crit

[marsh stone]

You in battle stance for the whole fight?

[sick grotto]

Nope

But if u wana squeeze 99+ battle stance dancing is the play

[jovial saffron]

Carrying 1 chars in 10s is kinda easy tho, me and healer are carrying a naked friend rerolling, pugging other dpses and still doing em..worst case you dont time it

[mighty valley]

you can bstance basically everything in heroic til queen

[sick grotto]

Pretty much this

But in this kill i was defensive stance wasnt full sweating it

[deft mortar]

But what's that 3% crit gonna do

Give ya like 40k overall?

Kekw

[sick grotto]

When your high 90s it matters for sure

[mighty valley]

if it’s literally free why not

[deft mortar]

I did constant stance switching in DF and so happy I no longer rly need to

[sick grotto]

I mean its nice if you want to put the effort in and squeeze the damage its a great feature

If i stance danced that kill would b a 99 there. But im a bit of a sweat when it comes to defensives

But i definitely could have spent half or 3/4 of that fight in battle stance and not lost anything defenisve wise

Just switch it for tb and switch it off

@west turtle your casts per minute of shield slam is nearly half of mine

[deft mortar]

That's problem

Can be partially haste

[marsh stone]

Yeah I was looking at one of my parses and I'm the same (though shorter kill time). I think I tunnel into revenge too much

[deft mortar]

Tbf I get 1M Revenge crits as Colossus sometimes

[sick grotto]

Could be his execute

Is also half

His execute phase would be longer as well

[mighty valley]

it's 60 vs 87 cpm so it's kind of just one of those

"tighten up everything" situations

[waxen shore]

Icyveins has one

[sick grotto]

Could be leaving himself rage starved

[marsh stone]

@sick grotto did you 9 man it?

[sick grotto]

I think we did that run

Guild cbf pugging and 10 man was gonna be late

[marsh stone]

Yeah I used more revenge than you in a shorter fight and less than half the shield slams and executes

[sick grotto]

Ya just gotta be eating the slam procs

And thunderclap before you hit revenge

[marsh stone]

Yeah definitely a part of it. My parses aren't terrible but nice to improve

Thanks for sharing

[sick grotto]

Yeah always room to improve even for myself can always be more optimal with stance dancing and stuff

No ones perfect as long as your fundamentals are solid the damage will come naturally

[marsh stone]

My fundamentals are 20 years old now lol. Must be time to retire 😄

[brazen coral]

whats the build that takes Battle-Scarred Veteran?

[deft mortar]

pretyt sure this is BiS

Mages get fkn tho

[sick grotto]

Oof im 30 back problems soon i bet

[deft mortar]

16k intellect on use nice

[sick grotto]

Uhh yeah people were saying it was pretty broken that trink

Think a fixed came through for it

Shares cd with spymasters noe

[deft mortar]

nvm i didnt see no strength

on the weapon

[sharp gale]

People are crazy

[sick grotto]

Free gold is free gold

[sharp gale]

It’s normal ring

[tacit fulcrum]

Hello
I have a question.
Why use this talent : (see image, don't know the english name)
Instead of the axe that swirl arround ?
Don't you loose a lot of DPS for a limited value ?

[sick grotto]

Losing dps beats tanking the floor

[deft mortar]

ravager is like 5-7% of ur overall MAX

[sick grotto]

Ravager is 5%

[deft mortar]

gives also phatt rage

but

[wintry gate]

guys is it every week or every two weeks this drops???

[sick grotto]

Plus 60 rage per use

[deft mortar]

Sometimes at high keys u go BSV

[tacit fulcrum]

BSV = that orc icon ?

[deft mortar]

y

[sick grotto]

Yes

[deft mortar]

and not like 12s i mean like ppl go it for 14-15s

[tacit fulcrum]

wym ?

[sharp gale]

In high keys you might need it

[deft mortar]

waste of talent point in low keys tho

[tacit fulcrum]

Hoooo

I missunderstood the "S" as second

Ok 😄

[sharp gale]

C’est dans le sens « les 12 »

[tacit fulcrum]

Ouais du coup j'avais capté au final 😄

[analog ravine]

are any of the BRD trinkets worth as prot just got HoJ from weekly wondering if its better than meathook

[lone eagle]

So Void Shredders isn't spell blockable?

Sheet currently says it isn't but that seems bizarre

[raw parcel]

Yeah... people wanted this, for some reason. I preferred personal loot.

[wooden widget]

still no barb training? even in colossus?

[sharp gale]

It would go for higher if it was personal loot

[deft mortar]

lmao

I can solo mists 11 last boss

does no dmg

[wooden widget]

Would this just bankrupt our rage even more in colossus?

[south zealot]

sim it

think its more damage iirc

but yes youll be even squishier

[wooden widget]

That’s chill I only run colo when I’m certain I’ll live 🙂

[edgy bone]

Guys did the patch screw us? I feel like glass in M+ now

My durability cut in half

I can't survive anything anymore

[south zealot]

someone said something similar earlier

theres a lot of bugs in the patch right now

[edgy bone]

I feel like half my talents arent working

[south zealot]

so wouldnt be surprised

if u can compare a log from today to an older log

[edgy bone]

What would I look for?

Damage taken?

[south zealot]

depends on what talents you think arent working

could look for damage taken

maybe buffs

whatever u think is wrong

[edgy bone]

I have no idea what's wrong, my rage generation is basically zero

My survivability is 50% of what it used to be, and not only because of lack of rage

[wide pilot]

what are you guys doing for 1st pull of GB? trying to pull the 3 packs but its seems extremely difficult to get that 3rd pack consistently back

[ornate magnet]

What key level are you running?

[edgy bone]

+12

But I've had everything timed on +12 for a week now, and I'm getting WAY harder than last week

Something is wrong man, I can feel it

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/milhouse-van-houten-the-simpsons-eyebrows-gif-4880957

[full maple]

can someone explain this to me?

[jagged gust]

You raise a good point, why is that the only node that calls lightning strike stormstrike

[urban portal]

something probably does stormstrike damage

dont worry too much about it

[jagged gust]

wait several nodes call it stormstrike, it's lightning strike though

[urban portal]

thunderblast does stormstirke damage

[soft mason]

Lightning Strike is the ability, it does Nature damage.

[urban portal]

stormstrike is the damage type

not the name of an ability

[soft mason]

TBlast does Stormstrike damage.

[urban portal]

well its the name of the shaman ability

but thats irrelevant to this topic

[jagged gust]

so it's like a damage classification?

[urban portal]

yes

[static pumice]

the first time i played tww and read that stormstrike node, i thought some classes had same hero talents kekw

[torn gulch]

Stormstrike damage is a multischool damage type consisting of nature and physical

[waxen cradle]

Hey guys been getting into 10s lately and have been running into some literal idiots. Such as a +10 Ara Kara, is the new strat on the first to ignore the first set of adds, allow them to make it to the boss, and blame the tank when he is moving the boss away from the second set for causing a wipe ?

because holy shit I had some idiots in that key

[torn gulch]

Yes kekw

[waxen cradle]

also the strat must also be to allow the boss to empower ? from Ascended because they let that happen too

[torn gulch]

I had dps complain that I am moving the boss too far and messing with uptime while they were doing 0 add focus and using no ccs and slows to the adds

I don t really care about your uptime pal I want to prevent a wipe

[waxen cradle]

I was shockwaving and Stormbolting the ascended orbs and the dps were just like herpa derpa let the boss empower

every time the ascended orbs are up if I have it to spare I will shockwave and stormbolt as many orbs as I can. well not that group

because its a boss fight what else am I gonna use it on, especially that one

Yeah I genuinely dont get where people's brains are when it comes to mechanics anymore. I mean killing adds on a boss like that, or that fight in general is like a m0 mechanic and they think they can ignore it on a 10 ?

truly mind boggling

[torn gulch]

I exclusively pug and I ve seen everything there is to see regarding mechanics

I ve seen dk pulling adds into boss there

[waxen cradle]

The best part was the first set made it to the boss, and I had to literally kite away from the second set that was going to be up with the first set still up, and I told them that the adds should be dead before they can get to the boss, and definitely before 2 sets are up and they said my damage as the tank was the issue, and the fact that my IO is only 2200+ is the issue. Said that sounds like a low IO mentality

I guess now killing adds as a mechanic of that fight is a lower IO mentality

[tender reef]

Well yes, if the spider already ate the add and you survived till second wave.

Then it is indeed time to blame you for going crazy.

Afaik the eat buff doesn't stack

[waxen cradle]

@tender reef The first set was allowed to run to the boss, and the second set was spawning while I was still trying to kite the boss away from the first set

@tender reef As the dps did not swap to them and kill them

[tender reef]

[edgy bone]

@south zealot Think I figured it out.

[tender reef]

Classic

[south zealot]

what is it

[tender reef]

Yeah pug madness try to not take it to heart

Which gets harder and harder

Stay sane exile

I had a hunter flaming me to stop moving at last boss COT in a +10 and later I checked the highest he did it was +3 😵😵😵😵

[waxen cradle]

Yeah just dont understand peoples way of thinking, I mean unless they have the dps to burn the boss down before any of the adds get to the boss, or before set 2 spawns then my way of thinking is to kill the adds

[tender reef]

Well if healer can heal the extra dmg also a way to do the boss

I can tank enraged spider for about 30 sec

[wide pilot]

are most pulling triple puling the 1st pull of GB?

[waxen cradle]

Yeah and I would be fine with that if that was discussed ahead of time, or agreed on, but mid fight with no indication of what they intend is kind of silly

[tender reef]

Yeah like I said just forget it

Happens

Alot

Find premates if you wanna go higher than 10

[tender reef]

First pull is the 3 and the drake

Second pull is pat

Thirdpull is the the other 4 and big guy

You mean those 3 pulls together ?

Noway jõse

[wide pilot]

1st 3 mobs, drake, and pat

[tender reef]

Pat depends

But yeah not nornally

[wide pilot]

cant seem to get it consistently into group didnt know if many ppl were doing it

[tender reef]

Yeah they dont

[sick grotto]

I usually pull it when its patting back and dragons half

[tender reef]

This

[wide pilot]

so what are most doing? 1st pull being the 3 mobs and drake, 2nd pull the pat, 3rd pull pulling the rest of the drake platform with lust?

[tender reef]

No

Lust is drake first pull

I chain through it

[sick grotto]

High keys baboons still tanking kb

[tender reef]

Kb?

[sick grotto]

Knockback

[tender reef]

Yeah let them

[sick grotto]

Half the pugs dont los

[tender reef]

What key +++ we talking here Shirley?

+3 or +13 ?

Also pug or premate ?

[edgy bone]

@south zealot Switch talents to colossus, switch back to mountain thane, log out. That'll fix all the buggy talents making you feel like glass

[wide pilot]

11

[tender reef]

In 11 I'd say do the Standart raider.io route or talk with your team about another strategy.

Pug or team?

Because the big guys hit like trucks

Andi got 1 in oat and 1 on platform

So you can't tank that

Dragon and pat already slaps

And when they LoS u might die

https://raider.io/weekly-routes

I use those for pugs

https://raider.io/weekly-routes#grim_batol

From +12 everything changes

[wide pilot]

34 pulls seems like alot doesnt it?

[tender reef]

And 2 wipes is key deplete

What's your point

[torn gulch]

Yes from 12 you have to pull more

Per pull

[tender reef]

I played a 10er last night and we played it great till th ogres

2 wipes key depleted

And we played 3 and last boss also well

And I did big pull at platform too

[sweet summit]

34 pulls in gb??

[torn gulch]

The section between second and third boss has probably the deadliest trash this season

[tender reef]

Yep

Hurts

[torn gulch]

You normally do under 20

[tender reef]

Haven't been in that dungeon for a few weeks

I face tanked the enraged

😅

And then my DPS pulled more

[wide pilot]

well the timer is 36 min say 3 min on each boss thats 12 min...gives u 24 min for trash...30 pulls in 24 min would be really tight with no deaths

[tender reef]

You an chain you can pull more

[torn gulch]

The moment ogres enrage I switch to shadowlands season 1 style

[tender reef]

But depends on you and healer and dos

What is your point ?

Time is short ?

Xeah

[sweet summit]

the ogres get 1 stack per auto

so you just

never tank them?

xd

[sick grotto]

Stun lock em and gap it

[tender reef]

Yeah

[sick grotto]

Or invite a soothy boy

[tender reef]

Bro cries about CD second pull

Don't do the smoothy boy

[torn gulch]

It s easier to just gap it

[tender reef]

Or take 2 of em

But who wants that ?

[torn gulch]

I think one of the secret tanking arts is to know when to gap it

And the movement required for it

[tender reef]

Also 3 min per boss, bruv

[sick grotto]

You guys been doing the cheese on 3rd boss gb?

[tender reef]

Yes

[sick grotto]

Its kinda nice

[torn gulch]

Yes

[sick grotto]

Saves time

[tender reef]

Love it

[sweet summit]

you can do pull 2 and 3 together but don't pull double overseer
you can do pull 18 19 and 20 together
23 and 24 together
25 and 26 together
and suddenly you're down to like 24 pulls if you excuse the dragon rp "pulls"

[torn gulch]

I skip double lavabenders

And do the cheese

[sick grotto]

Yeah i suppose u could

[tender reef]

I skip the whole instance

[sick grotto]

Not bad idea

[tender reef]

What a shit dungeon

[torn gulch]

Skipping double bender is huge

[sick grotto]

Havent done much gb after recent nerf but the bender dmg doesnt seem to bad

[torn gulch]

Same as pulling a extra dragon before first boss to skip the dragon after third boss

[sweet summit]

dragons are free count tho

[tender reef]

In 11 they hurt

[sick grotto]

They are very good count

[torn gulch]

I switch one dragon for another in order to merge 2 pulls

[wide pilot]

just seems odd when i go in gb on my ret paladin the pugs go smooth and when i go in on my prot war they are always rough

[tender reef]

Like I said if your team easy slays the dragons he dungeon is easy.

But if you wipe at the dragonsl once it's more or less over

[torn gulch]

And I skip benders because they hurt in 12+ keys and they have a lot of hp

[sweet summit]

you only wipe to dragon if you get knocked off or something, but you just los the knock so they do nothing

[torn gulch]

You can los the dragons every knock

If you don t los you re shit as a dps

Especially in 12 and higher

[sick grotto]

Yeah i pull the dragon after 3rd boss with crawly boys

If you do their mech its free count

Pillar los op

[torn gulch]

I skip that dragon to pull crawlies into next pull

And do a dragon in first area

Instead

[sweet summit]

how do you expect to live the torment thing with 40 billion stacks

[sick grotto]

Yeah im experimenting getting diff count in gb

Doing diff routes

[torn gulch]

I ve never wiped into that pull up to 12 including 12 might not be an option on higher keys

[wide pilot]

this too aggressive for pugs in an 11 you think? for me personally i dont ever feel in danger with these pulls but not sure how the groups actually feel

[torn gulch]

That s too conservative

In my opinion

[sand pebble]

hand of justice is another melee swing (causing devistate) or just an attack of its own?

[sweet summit]

just damage proc

[sand pebble]

thx!

[wide pilot]

how would u shorten it up? feel like my biggest hurdle with pugs is them not interupting the earth callers at the beginning

[torn gulch]

First pull includes the patrol

[sweet summit]

pull lavabender 1 in pull 10 and do pull 11 with 12 too

[torn gulch]

Second boss is pulled with a 3 pack

[sweet summit]

the first two mobs from pull 4 you do with pull 3

but maybe not instantly as there are 3 earthcallers

[wide pilot]

ok ill try those then...feels like if i can get past the 1st boss with a pug it goes generally well but usually the ones where we will for sure time something flooky happens like someone DCs and cant get back in the game lol

[fallow fern]

that belt has 600 leech.. is it worth it over the tier since any myth legs can be converted?

..also that hammer for fury.. 🤔

[sweet summit]

600 leech is like 0.6% or

[fallow fern]

yea

so not that much

[sweet summit]

if you can yoink legs from raid i'd take belt

fury isn't a real spec so you're not missing out by not taking hammer

[nova rapids]

Do you notice any difference to before the patch?
i have the feeling that we're not as tanky anymore,
i'm really having problems in some places that i didn't have on monday.

[jagged pier]

As we didnt get changed and there was no mob tuning there should be no difference

[sweet summit]

should

idk I didn't notice a difference

[jagged pier]

I havent noticed anything

[nova rapids]

I dont know it feels really strange.

[sweet summit]

do you have logs to compare?

[sick grotto]

Seemed ok for me last night. But it was a buggy af patch

[barren oar]

beguilers in grim cast /chained mind/ now vs sear mind

[barren oar]

not the only person ive seen saying this, something seems up.

[sick grotto]

It might we a couple of dungeons that are iffy and not all

[sweet summit]

dawnbreaker was kinda fucky, our rogue fell through the ship (not on mount) 3 times but that could've happened last week too so idk if this patch did that lol

[jagged pier]

Nah thats normal he dismounting / mounting too earlier

[sweet summit]

ye

[south zealot]

lot of ppl have been mentioning it so im inclined to believe something is scuffed

[tender reef]

13cpm shieldslam low ?

[jagged pier]

Yes

Also depends how much downtime u had in the log tho

[tender reef]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V6rz4vqcp3NALYR7#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=2

Idk

[jagged pier]

City has a lot of forced downtime

[tender reef]

14.2 is my highest

Is that low too?

Not that much higher

[stoic flicker]

if I were to craft a wep, which wep would be best for prot?

[jagged pier]

Any u like the look of the best

[jagged pier]

I get around 15-16 depending on dungeon

[stoic flicker]

oh nice, glad that it doesn't actually matter

ty ty

[tender reef]

That shucks

[jagged pier]

This aint classic wep damage is standardized

[tender reef]

Can u post one for me ?

Pleasz

[jagged pier]

Ur casts are just a bit off

Looe your gens are a bit too low

And your revenges are far too high

For thane

U can just look at mine

Or nomes

Jakeyplops
Nomeratur
Sense

Erga probably too has logs i would trust

[tender reef]

Yeah I skill back to collos this weekend

[tender reef]

[tender reef]

What's that

[jagged pier]

Looks like yyour generators are a but low

[tender reef]

Damn boy u a yellow man ♂️

[jagged pier]

I.e ss, tc and tb r a bit low

[primal pollen]

You guys are pretty strong I think they should set your shieldblock to a 2 minute cooldown

[stoic flicker]

sorry I'm blanking on tb

[tender reef]

Thunder blast

When ur TC changes Icon and shiny

[stoic flicker]

AH

yes

ty

[tender reef]

Will check thank you jakey gtg

[jagged pier]

Have been since SLs

[tender reef]

Sl ?

[jagged pier]

Shadowlands

[tender reef]

xD

Have to cross over which is hard on phone will do on pc

[jagged pier]

Best times SLs beta we just

Away the pain

[tender reef]

coloss will fix this

[jagged pier]

[tender reef]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-cya-lol-no-gif-22059831

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-gif-11441473103925830959

[lost canyon]

a bit late to the party, but i have a question, ring is not the best for prot, right? and also idk about the shield, i'm leaning towards the mythic track chest

[primal pollen]

It’s definitely not a BIS but it has the trink effect which helps

[sweet summit]

you're not replacing a myth track shield until next season
the ring is really good offensively but had 0 haste so i am not a fan!!

[lost canyon]

since I already have the 636 crafted one, 3 ilv isn't that big of a deal, also the maste stat being higher is not that good

[strong forum]

I'd pick the ring myself tbhlad

Shield you can get from first boss myffic

That ring however everyone and their mom wants and only gets replaced by the same ring on myffufc

[frail ibex]

Man I don't think I am ever gonna go back to the dps life for keys

atleast when it comes to pugging

[lost canyon]

i was thinking the same thing, also how much of an impact can a 639 shield with somewhat bad stats vs crafted 636 shield with good stats?

[strong forum]

Shield has haste

Therefor, good stats

[lost canyon]

it's lower stat compared to the mastery

[strong forum]

Dudn matter

[vague badge]

As blood I have a plethora of cds to rotate through trash packs, as prot not so much.
How am I supposed to rotate them when pulling trash or do I only need it for really dangerous packs and SB + IP handles the rest?

[strong forum]

Ilvl matters more

[lost canyon]

i know the ilv matters but idk to what degree since it's only 3 ilv

[strong forum]

And it's probably around 3%

Less dmg taken

Block value goes a long fuckin way

But it's up to you

I would pick the ring cuz dmg is dmg is dmg

[strong forum]

You have demo shout, spell reflect, shieldwall, last stand and spellblock

[lost canyon]

ye i'm still leaning towards the ring xD

[strong forum]

How many more defensives do you need 😄

Sw is 40sec effective cd

Spellblock has 33% uptime if you use it on CD
Demo shout has effective 20-25sec CD

Sr is 20sec cd for 5sec of 20% magic dr+reflect/deflect

Beyond that shield block is the strongest mitigation in game + layered IP ontop of it

So you don't need to actively cycle CDs on every single pack outside of specifc mechanics

[primal pollen]

Keep the annual post going

[vague badge]

If it’s only physical I have demo, and shield wall. Last stand isn’t like really a cd outside of bolster since it’s only max hp (I heard)
As blood I have DRW, VP, Lichborne, IBF and tombstone 😄
That’s why it feels like I have less cds for physical compared to blood

[strong forum]

Cuz we don't need cds for phys

At all

[vague badge]

Is shield block THAT strong?

[strong forum]

It's permanent 50-60% damage reduction

Vs blockable dmg

[low spindle]

warrior tank is so damm fking tanky...u dont need so much more cds

u aint a pally tank

[strong forum]

Block + IP can reduce a 15million hit down to 500k

Been like that since bfa

[tender reef]

Crazy how people not take the ring

Or the shield

But a chest

[strong forum]

It's more crazy to me that people perpetually rediscover that pwar is in fact tanky

And has been turbo tanky continously since 9.2

Heroic raid mostly

Or capping out on gilded crests, so that then runed crests drop from keys

[eager phoenix]

can also exchange 90:15 of the previous tier crest

only works if your cap allows to you receive 15. so like if your at 82/90 for weekly cap it wont let you

[tender reef]

I want that ring

[vague badge]

What changed in bfa that made prot so tanky?

I remember SB being strong, but not THAT giga strong

[ebon abyss]

pwar weaknes was always magical damage, but with spell reflect and SB its no longer an issue
lack of self heal was also fixed

[primal narwhal]

if yall played blood dk or guardian druid. you'll realize how tanky prot war is

i rmb first week, attempting to do 10 COT. our bear tank kept dying to the tank buster on the first boss

next attempt we had a pwar and it was ezpz

[vague badge]

Shield ilvl is really important for tankieness, right?

[jagged pier]

Combernation of azerite powers and corruption

[cosmic olive]

any tank wants to come do queen ansurek? giga curved group

[vague badge]

Since I got slapped hard sometimes in my first m+ even though I had IP + SB up, but my shield is like 560/570

[quartz meteor]

might not be blocking much damage if the block number is low, even with SB up

[vague badge]

Still unsure if I want to craft a shield since it’s not recommended for “endgame build”

[primal narwhal]

Are u ever going to do mythic ulgrax?

If yes, don't craft shield

If no, craft shield

[vague badge]

Is it puggable?

And what about vault shield?

[primal narwhal]

Ehh，I would say it's very easy

Probably even puggable

[jagged pier]

Its easily puggablr

2-4 probably not

[primal narwhal]

But if u doing mythic ulgrax is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

Just go craft the 636 shield

[vague badge]

What if I get a mythic shield inside the vault?

[primal narwhal]

If u do get the vault shield choice that's cool

But maybe there's a juicier option

U probably want the rare neck/cape/ring from nerubar palace