then just get a shield and try it out
#protection
blazing condor
tanking is one of those things where you just gotta throw urself into it and get experience
but it helps knowing how to play the spec first
bold raven
I'm glaring at Mad Queen's Mandate, Oppressive Orator's Larynx and Sikran's Endless Arsenal (Already have Ara-Kara). What would you go with for higher end M+?
bold raven
what do you advice the boy to take
Depends on what Trinkets you have
shadow haven
Depends on what Trinkets you have
I got this
burnt torrent
I took a myth track mark of khardros this week
Is prot paladin stronger than us rage boys now?
remote tusk
sadly of the low itemlevel but ALL targets for 430K? Seems kind of OP on a 1min cd
fallow hinge
would this be any good?
sick sentinel
rigid pumice
Hey rookie question here : Im stuck at 85% uptime on my shieldblock but I never sit with shieldblock stack being up, that mean I'm overlapping too much of those I guess ?
sweet summit
Hey rookie question here : Im stuck at 85% uptime on my shieldblock but I never ...
or you're not at adequate haste levels to run itf and should therefore run hr instead maybe
sb does stack so that won't be it
violet ginkgo
so from this BRD only probably trinket that we can get?
rigid pumice
Thanks a lot for feedbacks
Just swppaed from fury to prot and stupidly copy/paste talent tree from top players, might be that
sweet summit
ye use wowhead talents 👍
rigid pumice
thanks ! will do
lofty veldt
rigid pumice
thanks c: thought it'd be pretty chill but turned out I almost lost a few finger pressing that much buttons
But it's pretty cool
sweet summit
ye it's kinda like fury where the difficulty comes from the apm lowkey
mellow palm
help me decide guys, khadros or shard for prot, m+ focused?
thorn basalt
help me decide guys, khadros or shard for prot, m+ focused?
Huh?
Mark of Khadros?
mellow palm
yea, got both on vault myth track
unkempt hazel
mark of khadros or mark of khadros 
thorn basalt
Oh shard
Hm
For raiding Khadros, definitely
Dont think it makes much difference in m+
I think
But may be wrong
From the tooltip, shard should be better but im not sure, is it a cast like Mandate?
rigid pumice
From the tooltip, shard should be better but im not sure, is it a cast like Mand...
Shard is instant
mint night
So i just got heart of roccor HC, i have myth track ara-kara, and champ track swaarmlord. What do you guys think? i will sim it ofc but havent seen anything yet on this trinket.
untold breach
our time is over
jagged pier
Good
rustic galleon
im confused boots or weapon 😦 weapon would be a 3 ilvl upgrade only ,,,,
onyx umbra
Hi everyone, got one question. Will this ring have any value at hero ilvl or it's just bad one?
untold breach
Hi everyone, got one question. Will this ring have any value at hero ilvl or it'...
it’s not a bad ring but it’s clearly better to have a ring with haste
haste versa is the best like experimental bond
haste crit work also
tender reef
im confused boots or weapon 😦 weapon would be a 3 ilvl upgrade only ,,,,
I'd say weapon
I have the same ngl
But 639 weapon most important
It hurts when you got crafted
But you gotta
And damn boy nice trinkets 😭😭😭😭
onyx umbra
it’s not a bad ring but it’s clearly better to have a ring with haste
haste ver...
Yea rn I have both crit haste rings from SoB and Dawnbreaker at hero ilvl, that equip effect got my attention
atomic mist
BRD tank trinket competitive with HC Swarmlords authority?
neat parrot
is this a viable choice ? even tho i lose tons of haste ? got hero track helm. and hero track belt, could use cata on the 2 other myth track items, but im thinking socket for wrists as well if i dont take the ring
sweet summit
it's amazing offensively
neat parrot
ye i know but i losea shit ton of haste
which would make itf not playable again, and i dont want to switch back to hvp
sweet summit
sounds like you don't want it then, prolly just take myth head and catalyst it. unless you can get that from raid quite soon. same with belt but belt has less stats than head
glacial skiff
any brd trinkets worthwhile?
sweet summit
idk
how do they sim?
raw mirage
Are any of these trinkets good for prot warr? Both are defensive so im guessing there is not a point to sim
fluid widget
So i just got heart of roccor HC, i have myth track ara-kara, and champ track sw...
What did the sims say? I saw they added dinar like currency for purchasing stuff
bleak breach
is this a viable choice ? even tho i lose tons of haste ? got hero track helm. a...
Take the ring
mint night
What did the sims say? I saw they added dinar like currency for purchasing stuff
Just raw dps was around 5% increase from swarmlord. both 619. it was however 0.1% worse then my 632 Ara-kara.
Dunno how much defense it gives with that amount of str.
fluid widget
0.1% worse than 626 ara-Kara is pretty impressive damn
looks like I’m gonna go visit brd
sharp gale
Just to remind everyone swarmlord is not an offensive trinket
As mandate is not a def trinket
robust granite
sup yall, do we know what's the best embelish for crafted one handed weapon for prot warr?
It seems like i can not pick the crit/vers while above 80% hp on weapon peace ...
robust granite
Aha oke, and the stats are haste/vers or haste/crit?
mint night
Just to remind everyone swarmlord is not an offensive trinket
nah swarmlord is huge for its defense purpose but if u dont need the defense purpose or if u dont have myth track ara-kara i think heart can be better then ara-kara atleast.
sand condor
why do the top warriors ot run ravager, nor roar, but spear
sharp gale
nah swarmlord is huge for its defense purpose but if u dont need the defense pur...
Yes it was more to remind to not compare swarmlord to an offensive one
With sims
Like you don’t compare races with sims as prot
strong forum
Are any of these trinkets good for prot warr? Both are defensive so im guessing ...
They're both meh, would pass on them
grim grotto
im at 615 itemlvl, and 2600 rio. i have the problem to get invited to next higher keys, because of itemlvl. now i have myth tier set legs or lfr swarmlord in weekly. do u think i should pick swarmlord lfr for m+ because its that big ?
grim grotto
but it sounds nice ^^
strong forum
People are blowing it WAY out of proportion
You're losing 6% str to get a trinket that does passive absorb of 2-3 mil once every minute
Laughable if you ask me
dense coral
Mark of Khardros trinket any good?
arctic wharf
I have this axe in my vault this week - i was wondering if i should take it, or if it would be better to craft a onehand with crit/haste on it?
grim grotto
You're losing 6% str to get a trinket that does passive absorb of 2-3 mil once e...
so the passive procc chance isnt that good? with the 1 spawns on autoo attack
i thought maybe it proccs like all the time 😄
strong forum
The passive proc chance is like a 300k absorb once in a while
It's just Details fluff if you ask me
sharp gale
so the passive procc chance isnt that good? with the 1 spawns on autoo attack
You don’t plan to have swarmlord 639, it means it you have to compared it 626 with every others 639 trinkets
strong forum
When you have 12mil hp and 150k+ hps from ignore pain 60k from indom and 60k from leech, getting 30k hps from a trinket really ain't all that hot, especially in big pulls where you do 1mil hps, getting a 30k hps trinket is FUCKALL
Just pointing that out
And yes usually HPs do not matter, but this is a trinket that does absolutely nothing else
strong forum
Ceaseless swarmguard does dmg but only grants the dmg reduction on the target that has the debuff, so it's marginally better on ST
Skarmorak actually provides a decent defensive gain as getting 15% mastery is increasing not just your dmg but also grants increased critical block chance which in big pulls is infinitely more valuable than a 2mil absorb
On bosses or very few mobs however defensively mastery is practically useless
glacial skiff
i want to agree with you but for some reason i always feel more tanky with swarmlord's. Maybe because im lacking haste, or maybe because bad play
strong forum
It's 2% haste
glacial skiff
and my swarmlords is 619, basically use on cd for big packs
strong forum
1200 haste is barely 2% haste
glacial skiff
but ive also seen some ppl doing like 13-15's not press it hardly ever so really confused
glacial skiff
its likely a placebo effect im guessing
strong forum
But I will die on this hill to come and say it does not provide significant defensive value
sharp gale
I member a trinket that does make you feel safe
strong forum
And this one actually had significant value
Because a) mainstat b) the absorb was waaaaaaaaaayy larger
Than measily swamplord
glacial skiff
what i really need is a shield, seeing people with 170k armor and im at 150k bc sparks/crests are saved for dps lmao
wicked pollen
nah
strong forum
To get big shield
wicked pollen
dont type that
glacial skiff
Yeah kinda wish i did, all i got was a socket
wicked pollen
you need for arms
strong forum
I ain't raiding no Mo
wicked pollen
why
strong forum
Ain't fun
wicked pollen
sadge
glacial skiff
could have chose the stupid gear a rang trinket but it sounds like more effort than a .5% dps increase
wicked pollen
yesterday i had to sit mythic because of packet loss
apparently rashanan reclear took 1 hour
🙂
oops
glacial skiff
I like raiding, i don't like blizz gutting what little warrior has going for it in raid/M+ tho
except prot
glacial skiff
WHAT THE FUCK
strong forum
Don't like progress raiding, but I like farm raiding
wicked pollen
surely you just move down guilds then
glacial skiff
join a solid 3 day guild lol
strong forum
Or just
glacial skiff
or 2 day
strong forum
Not
wicked pollen
true
glacial skiff
im so glad we dont raid extra days fuck that
tardy sequoia
Hey is catalyst charge still once every two weeks or..? Was confused about an article on wowhead
wicked pollen
what rank was your guild last tier
strong forum
95 or smth
tardy sequoia
I thought spark was once a week, at least in the last weeks of the season
wicked pollen
ig makes sense but still pretty cringe
strong forum
I thought spark was once a week, at least in the last weeks of the season
No that's half sparks
You get to craft and catalyse every 2 weeks, on the same week
glacial skiff
LMAO is saying ass banned here?
wicked pollen
no
glacial skiff
glacial skiff
lmao i mean its a joke but haha
tardy sequoia
No that's half sparks
Ok thanks nom
strong forum
Maybe they don't have automod on or they curated it
inner oracle
got crafted weapon, and hero chest... so higher ilvl upgrade for chest but... myth weapon would be my choice.. is that wrong? 😄
glacial skiff
maybe the mod here helps keep out the bots
strong forum
got crafted weapon, and hero chest... so higher ilvl upgrade for chest but... my...
Weppy is good choice
Eyir rocks
Can't believe eyir is dead
strong forum
Bot
wicked pollen
no clue
digital moon
Rate my trinket set up 😎
sharp gale
New guild update : I accepted to raid in two guilds tonight and both really push to me be here
digital moon
digital moon
DaMaGe Is fOr DpS
sharp gale
He loves having every min 3 ignore pain and swarmlord
peak pier
Rate my trinket set up 😎
GigaChad
digital moon
Can't hear you over my big damooj
wicked pollen
New guild update : I accepted to raid in two guilds tonight and both really push...
nice
digital moon
at least I will survive
strong forum
Frfr
glacial skiff
how good is refracting trinket for damage reduction in keys? i did 1st pull on a 13 necrotic yesterday and got destroyed
strong forum
Shard is very good
craggy crescent
mountain thane best for m+?
strong forum
Defensively yes
barren basalt
Did they accidentaly revert the thane rage gen nerfs? and dmg buffs?
tacit knoll
guys, like the ring trick for "free" upgrades to the other ring slot - how does it work with weapons(1H) / shields?
Can I in theory buy a weapon, place it in my off hand and get the discord for my off hand shield?
or how?
strong forum
Did they accidentaly revert the thane rage gen nerfs? and dmg buffs?
Had been fixed already
strong forum
guys, like the ring trick for "free" upgrades to the other ring slot - how does ...
Need to craft a 2h weapon with 2 sparks
Maybe as fury if you craft 1x 1h weapon?
And then do the trick
Maybe that works?
But basically, if you get the 2h weapon from first boss mythic you can use that as crest saver for 1h+shield aswell
sharp gale
My weapon was free as fury (i crafted 1 hand and shield)
strong forum
Ye it works vice versa
sharp gale
But still crafted a 2 hands
Since I raid as fury
Today is big craft/recrafts for me
knotty light
strong forum
Yrup
But you can also just follow simple stat prio of ilvl > haste > crit >=vers > mastery
And just go from there
somber trail
is this good i got this on new raid, seems like good
wicked pollen
sim it
proud plank
surely it does good damage
wicked pollen
prob not
ionic nimbus
Yep
deft mortar
the top warriors are haste vers
Maybe to avoid magic dmg?
wicked pollen
shield is also fake news
deft mortar
Cuz crit ain't doing shit for that
wicked pollen
sr spellblock
ionic nimbus
Even with decent dmg numbers it wouldn’t be good, cuz no str
deft mortar
I don't even use SB ngl
Real men just stack IP, shout and spell reflect the magic tank buster
(gets hit by 15M obsidian beam)
hardy snow
When you have 12mil hp and 150k+ hps from ignore pain 60k from indom and 60k fro...
619 is 50-65k overall (acoording to logs), 100-120k in peaks
strong forum
Sure and how much of that is just padding on useless things
Like, imagine NW first pull
The trinket is LITERALLY useless there
violet ginkgo
So what should we get from this BRD nome?
strong forum
So what should we get from this BRD nome?
Dunno haven't looked
strong forum
That's not how it works
deft mortar
Than some shit happens and the healer dies
Than I die
Key bricked, I go think about my life
slow violet
Hello, I have a question about which would be the optimal item to choose in the vault.
First question, the ring: According to what I have been able to investigate, despite it appearing as BIS in many guides, it is not really BIS for m+ tanks. Do you prefer full haste and versa rings?
Second question, the cloak: Is it good enough to keep it as a Hero piece instead of choosing the myth ones?
Third question, the shoulder pads: Having already 4 set pieces, is it better to use the set ones or stick with the normal ones?
I am only focusing on M+. I would like to hear your opinion, I have spent all morning trying to do a comprehension exercise but it is difficult for me.
deft mortar
I ain't reading all that just pick the higher ilvl upgrade
hardy snow
myth cape will be better than hero
slow violet
But i don't raid myth...
deft mortar
Was my ape response the actually correct answer
violet ginkgo
Jesus that was double rare, while my vault is real shitty this week
hardy snow
But i don't raid myth...
you can get mythic track items from M+ vault as well 
deft mortar
Did u sim 20 seconds
molten gorge
1m 30
ionic nimbus
U can craft a cloak with good stats
deft mortar
Still sim 5 mins nfl
ionic nimbus
M+ has no very good ones
slow violet
But the grace of the cloak is the passive one brother
digital moon
Anyone gota spare chest piece for me :(
molten gorge
🥲
deft mortar
Anyone gota spare chest piece for me :(
Get a champ track from pvp my guy atleast
Nobody has an excuse for veteran gear
tender reef
Hello, I have a question about which would be the optimal item to choose in the ...
That's queen ring take it lol
deft mortar
First step to capping CP: We intentionally loose 20 games in a row in quick fashion
digital moon
Agmius#2402
its fine I will keep grinding 10s and up and just pray for chest 👍 but thank youuu
deft mortar
Then we get lowest elo ppl and run over them
slow violet
That's queen ring take it lol
u really think? have no main stats, u only wear it for pasive that is good for raid but for push high m+ I think no
tribal wharf
deft mortar
Rings don't have strength
tender reef
Rings have no mainstat
slow violet
But u wanna HASTE and VERSA
tribal wharf
i never seen the vendor look like that before, not sure if thats addon or new update
tender reef
Queen ring > all other rings
deft mortar
That's odd lol
digital moon
whats this wide vendor
digital moon
is the vendor fatter than normal ones?
tender reef
ppl top war prot on raider.io dont wear that ring
Because they don't have it
deft mortar
ppl top war prot on raider.io dont wear that ring
Maybe they don't have it
tender reef
Also are you a top warrior ?
deft mortar
Tbf I am
slow violet
and for what of my rings u will replace it?
tender reef
Show logs for time m16
deft mortar
Under certain temperatures I'd outperform Kirawarrior
tender reef
Yeah when Kira is frozen solid
deft mortar
Fr
digital moon
ium pumping harder
tender reef
and for what of my rings u will replace it?
Which u got?
deft mortar
Yeah when Kira is frozen solid
Top warrior shit fr
slow violet
u can see on picture 😄
slow violet
Hello, I have a question about which would be the optimal item to choose in the ...
here
deft mortar
Kk this the week I time my first 12
slow violet
lol
muted arch
what do u guys think of going dwarf for the racial?
tender reef
I think one of them has versa on it
muted arch
is it super OP or not worth?
digital moon
Its good
digital moon
I mean most people wont even need it
I am dwarf I never used it
even tho I Switched to dward
snow kernel
Should I craft a shield to get myth level shield or should I craft belt? I got hero in both and I only do m+
digital moon
Anyone got one of those chinese weakauras that tells you everything to do
digital moon
Im in debt
deft mortar
Imagine going to China for a vacation and they drop your logs
digital moon
china #1
tender reef
I'd be celebrity
willow knoll
Hey guys.
Should I get HASTE/mastery myth shield from the vault or is it better to craft shield later?
I didn't craft anything for prot yet since I main fury in raid
muted arch
Should I craft a shield to get myth level shield or should I craft belt? I got h...
shield ofc
tender reef
Take the shield
digital moon
I got a 0 log on first boss mythic
deft mortar
Hey guys.
Should I get **HASTE**/mastery myth shield from the vault or is it bet...
Just take it fk it
digital moon
take that
deft mortar
Embellish is for nerds, 639 is larger than 636
muted arch
Hey guys.
Should I get **HASTE**/mastery myth shield from the vault or is it bet...
shield cuz u can make it 639
and then craft something with better stats on another slot
willow knoll
Hey guys.
Should I get **HASTE**/mastery myth shield from the vault or is it bet...
my other options are socket and council tank trinket
muted arch
what ilvl is your current shield
willow knoll
shield cuz u can make it 639
that's what I thought but was not sure
muted arch
shield and crank that shit to 639
muted arch
ilvl is always more important than stats
willow knoll
I just noticed most of the prots craft it but I guess that's cause it's not that easy to get myth shield
muted arch
I just noticed most of the prots craft it but I guess that's cause it's not that...
yeah exactly they craft it cuz they need a higher ilvl shield
muted arch
I used my weekly set token to convert my 639 belt into a haste belt
whats a weekly set token
willow knoll
so if/when I craft embelishments for prot I should just craft them in wrist/belt I guess?
muted arch
yeah, or just on any piece that you most need an upgrade
willow knoll
I'm almost full myth so belt/wrist is the way
lofty warren
Any thoughts on how good dragon race is for pwar in m+? Is it better than dwarf?
willow knoll
so the choice is:
- get myth shield from vault and be happy
- get council hc trinket and craft shield and be happy too
digital moon
Just be happy
willow knoll
Just be happy
easier said than done
digital moon
True esepcially when you pug m+ 
zenith gyro
Any of you feeling squishier after the update yesterday? I know they said they didnt change anything for prot, but was running a 10 siege for my warmup yesterday and just felt like I was getting the crap kicked out of me compared to normal.
Could of also been that I was running with a Rsham that was complaining the whole time about the shammy updates.
lofty warren
Any thoughts on how good dragon race is for pwar in m+? Is it better than dwarf?
I'm guessing not that great dps wise because it's a mastery bonus
rain bone
i think that’s the third time someone specifically brings up siege and feeling squishier
zenith gyro
Is it really? I apologize, did not see anything when I scrolled through.
rain bone
nah man u good i’m more saying something might be up
yesterday i was only playing on my ppal. did a gb, ak and nw. i’ll try and do a sob on ppal and warrior today and see how it feels.
zenith gyro
Specifically the big pull after the first boss.
It has always been a tough pull, but yesterday it felt absolutely nutty compared to normal.
lofty warren
Were there any dungeon changes in 11.0m5?
faint maple
Is this sword not op on hero track?
rain bone
Specifically the big pull after the first boss.
gotcha. i’ll definitely do a run through of it today
inland raft
Is this sword not op on hero track?
Sim it
faint maple
Oh shit, I didn’t see it doesn’t have main stat🫠
zenith gyro
Is this sword not op on hero track?
I would think that it would be trash having the only Str on it being a proc. But the SIM is the gospel.
inland raft
Assuming sims have been updated yet idk
zenith gyro
^
inland raft
But really only thing that stood out as maybe ok is molten furnace trinket and think falls into same issue as swarmlord where its a decent defensive trinket but prot doesnt need it so not really good but idk im waiting for the math nerds to say if anything worth taking
grim grotto
is the weapon enchant authority of dephts better then the haste enchant for m+?
sharp gale
Damn I hate when the bad guy is punished when he does something bad, I’m kicked of the guild I was applying and my current guild now knows I tried to apply in another one
lofty warren
Assuming sims have been updated yet idk
Sims not updates for races or these time walking trinkets. Soon 🙏
rain bone
id give my left ear for molten furnace to have main stat instead of vers. tf were they thinking
hoary pivot
if i already have a crafted weapon and shield, does it make sense to open as fury or arms to avoid those slots? i do not know the probabilities for different slots per spec...
hushed ruin
You won’t get 1h or shield if you open as arms
sharp gale
And tank trinkets
toxic pewter
if i already have a crafted weapon and shield, does it make sense to open as fur...
I opened as fury got a 1h myth track weapon and now I am working to get myth shield from first boss mythic raid but haven’t gotten shield yet.
And I open arms now
sharp gale
Basically fury= removes shield and tank trinkets but add 2 hands
Arms removes 1 h shield and tank trinkets and add 2 hands
deft mortar
I am just getting as much stamina as possible tbh
molten gorge
if i already have a crafted weapon and shield, does it make sense to open as fur...
even 3ilvls on shield is worth
depends if you're doing first boss on Mythic or not tho too ig
sharp gale
even 3ilvls on shield is worth
Is it worth right now when everything else is 626 or 619 ?
rocky briar
Hello guys i've a question about my vault, terrible choice
sharp gale
I think gaining 3 ilvl on weapon is not better than 13 ilvl on chest
molten gorge
Is it worth right now when everything else is 626 or 619 ?
not sure, @jagged pier probably better for the exact numbers I suppose, but my understanding was that shield is yuge
molten gorge
I think gaining 3 ilvl on weapon is not better than 13 ilvl on chest
weapon probably not no
rocky briar
sikran neck, weap haste versa + leech, boots haste vers too, idk what to do lmao
atm i've a 610 neck, 619 weap (craft), 606 boots
deft mortar
even 3ilvls on shield is worth
Just a note: every 3 ilvl on a piece increases its stamina by about 4% from the previous level
So every overall 3 ilvl ex trinkets, you get 4% health
Probably the same with other stats
molten gorge
it's the block gain from shield that makes it so giga
deft mortar
Ik
tender reef
sikran neck, weap haste versa + leech, boots haste vers too, idk what to do lmao...
Weapon not even a question
deft mortar
But like can't underestimate a 3 ilvl increase is my point
tender reef
And max it asap
rocky briar
Was thinking about it ye coz stats ty.
I was hesitant to take the weap, then craft the 636 boots (only 76 crests atm) with the last embellish
rocky briar
already have 636 shield
tender reef
Ah okay
Still Max weap fiest
How do you have 613 on 2 bosses but 626 on 4 bosses ?
rocky briar
Sikran neck
tender reef
Yeah take weapon and max it, but how is your 4 myth but your 2 sucks ?
green bronze
Yeah take weapon and max it, but how is your 4 myth but your 2 sucks ?
its very rare item from HC raid
tender reef
Ahhh
tender reef
It's still weapon :x
rocky briar
I was wondering because sounds BiS too, but ye fuck it
tender reef
639 too strong
It's sadge but you're lucky you only crafted 619
So you are lucky indeed
rocky briar
Stupid question maybe but, why the 639 weap here is better than the 639 boots with BiS stats too, (i've 606 boots with cringe stats atm) and I've the 619 weap haste vers. For the DPS ?
tender reef
Because weapon is king
And I lvl is king
So highest I lvl weapon is king of kings
You're not a mage
rocky briar
glad it's bis stats too with leech proc
tender reef
I still run 593 trinket on my main
rocky briar
kekw
tender reef
Don't even talk to me
Also isn't it the fourth vault this week ?
Or did you do 10s in the first week ?
rocky briar
on my main ye
tender reef
vapid valley
Anything worth farming in the raid for prot?
rocky briar
Silken trinket
tender reef
Mount
vapid valley
Sorry meant the new raid not palace
rocky briar
what is this new raid ?
deft mortar
I still run 593 trinket on my main
I got a 553 trinket that I run for funsies sometimes
tender reef
Silken trinket
Just get over it 
rocky briar
Just get over it <:keks:936231610850897992>
chad bro
deft mortar
Because it has 7k stamina
vapid valley
Blackrock depths
rocky briar
Just get over it <:keks:936231610850897992>
I've joined a group and the other tank (was lead) dm me to say "pass on the trinket" lmao
tender reef
Tell him to fuck off
dusk socket
Okay, I have a question for opening pull on heroic Queen Ansurek. I co-tank with a shado-pan BRM monk. He is 623 ilvl and I am 619 ilvl, he has crafted 636 MH weapon and his heroic drop bis for offhand (dual wielding)
I have 623 dancing blade and 619 Beledar shield (waiting on gilded crest to craft 636 everforged shield.
Anyway on pull monk taunts (talented for movement speed on enemy when taunted) then I taunt and take Liquefy and he taunts for feast. Last night I pulled off of him after his taunt with just melee attacking.
My opener is Avatar, revenge, roar, demo shout, then defensive IP, ShB, and either spell block or s-wall depending on cooldown timer.
I am constantly ripping threat on pull and his response is Monk threat takes 15 seconds to ramp because of one of the talent (weapons of order).
Anyone else tanking with a BRM having threat issues on pull?
rocky briar
I had the same problem with my dk
tender reef
I did and it /ignore
tender reef
Okay, I have a question for opening pull on heroic Queen Ansurek. I co-tank with...
My co tank is brew
deft mortar
But no dmg
But 200k second wind ticks
tender reef
That's the issue
tender reef
But 200k second wind ticks
Second wind skilled
deft mortar
(ye I run 2nd wind, its not even supposed to work but it saved me from 2 bricks thus far)
One was DB 11, healer died to some. Ns
I stabilized at 3M hp
Untill he came back
tender reef
I do that too sometimes
toxic pewter
Okay, I have a question for opening pull on heroic Queen Ansurek. I co-tank with...
Gotta tell the brew to hold aggro better
tender reef
Everybody dead but me
tender reef
Gotta tell the brew to hold aggro better
Tell him to roll pala
deft mortar
It's like we get to be BDKs for a Lil bit
rocky briar
Okay, I have a question for opening pull on heroic Queen Ansurek. I co-tank with...
Take the feast first
toxic pewter
Just be sure you do not lower your ability whatsoever
Oftentimes in situations like this you will be blamed for ripping aggro
tender reef
Tell your raidlead to kick the loser
rocky briar
Maybe it will solve the issue so he can ramp kekw
Brew si really dogshit
No damage
tender reef
Truuu
dusk socket
Take the feast first
When I take the first feast I pull threat from charge, leap out charge again, then start my cooldowns so I have enough rage for all defensive etc…
deft mortar
Go colossus and pop off with 1M ST dps to show dominance
toxic pewter
Nothing worse than others trying to bring others ability and capability down in this life
dusk socket
Go colossus and pop off with 1M ST dps to show dominance
I am colossus
tender reef
Go colossus and pop off with 1M ST dps to show dominance
Not playing collos in raid, kick him too
deft mortar
(I haven't stepped foot in a raid since MoP)
rocky briar
When I take the first feast I pull threat from charge, leap out charge again, th...
wdym, you lose agro if you take 1st feast?
dusk socket
wdym, you lose agro if you take 1st feast?
No I rip aggro from charging and leaping out to charge again to limit my melee swings and before liquefy hits I can have aggro and then take both liquefy and feast
I'd share logs but work has all gaming sites blocked except discord
rocky briar
lmao
toxic pewter
Yeah see there you go “limiting your swings”
They have already won
Feelsbadman
When the real issue the other tank isn’t doing their job
tender reef
Yep
Talk to raidlead
Or leave
Not worth
Make him heal and get a second prot warri
main ledge
Is this trinket good? For me, it's either this trinket or another 3/4 item set...
dusk socket
I am generally 88-95% on every fight for damage and 95-98 on healing as warrior for every fight, even with those numbers it would be hard to find a place that needs a tank
rocky briar
If I were you I'd say put the redirect (tricks etc) on the monk
Then say to monk to taunt before the liquefy then you swap back and it's gg
tender reef
Is this trinket good? For me, it's either this trinket or another 3/4 item set.....
No trinket
dusk socket
That would be the ideal scenario, I think they are giving him redirects and tricks. I am new to this team and the monk is their “boy”
tender reef
But wait there all hero
rocky briar
lmao
tender reef
Doesn't matter
sinful light
I'm starting to notice the top prot warriors are stacking haste>vers instead of haste>crit. Is that the new direction?
tender reef
Take whatever you have in myth
rocky briar
But wait there all hero
delves vault gang
dusk socket
I asked the monk last night why he wasn’t using the queen on use for pull and he goes “I don’t see a threat gain from it”
tender reef
I'm starting to notice the top prot warriors are stacking haste>vers instead of ...
No but the top always play verse
rocky briar
I asked the monk last night why he wasn’t using the queen on use for pull and he...
wtf
dusk socket
I said bro it’s 2 mill damage on its own
south zealot
I'm starting to notice the top prot warriors are stacking haste>vers instead of ...
it doesnt really matter
you want some of every stat
deft mortar
No but the top always play verse
Is it genuinely because magic dmg
toxic pewter
Wait the monk had a mandate trinket?
smoky anvil
Is this mythic raid? Cuz if not just pugging on Tuesday is gonna be better for your mental, lmao.
toxic pewter
And closing aggro?
deft mortar
I think Dat healing done increase ain't bad either
tender reef
Is it genuinely because magic dmg
Nah because they are verse nerds
dusk socket
Wait the monk had a mandate trinket?
Yes he does, and I do not. I am using egg and rash
south zealot
Is it genuinely because magic dmg
top players always play vers bc its the idea that vers is the tank stat
deft mortar
Just more reliable honestly
toxic pewter
wtf…
restive jackal
Hello guys
rocky briar
And closing aggro?
Because he doesn't use the trinket lmao
south zealot
most of the damage you take is melee, crit is parry, crit reduces more overall damage
dusk socket
He doesn’t on pull
toxic pewter
Gquit you’re better off in pugs
south zealot
the most dangerous parts of keys are massive trash pack where youre getting meleed by 30 enemies
main ledge
Take whatever you have in myth
hero is maximum, 1 have 2/4 set, and i can take set chest or gloves for 4/4 (i also have 3 harmonized silk)... basically here is my vault...
south zealot
you never wanna intentionally proc bsv
restive jackal
I have a question what to pick from great vault I have 2 options shoulders (equiped hero non tier) and got from vault myth tier set or neck I put pics in a second:
rocky briar
He doesn’t on pull
Does he play with the right talents tree ?
deft mortar
U walk in that pack it will pop
restive jackal
What to pick guys ?
deft mortar
At higher keys
sweet summit
you never wanna intentionally proc bsv
that's not necessarily true
south zealot
U walk in that pack it will pop
im aware it probably will but youd rather have it available then used on some random shit
young patio
Is the refraction trinket good right now? upo to 2.3m shield with 50% absorb seems crazy good to me on a 1min taunt CD
tender reef
hero is maximum, 1 have 2/4 set, and i can take set chest or gloves for 4/4 (i a...
I'd say take the boots, theyre the best. But if you still need set then take one of those
deft mortar
Is the refraction trinket good right now? upo to 2.3m shield with 50% absorb see...
It's just 3 more Ignore Pains on 1 min CD it's bad
dusk socket
Does he play with the right talents tree ?
His talent build looks to be accurate
main ledge
I'd say take the boots, theyre the best. But if you still need set then take one...
i have them already))
rocky briar
Skill issue then
young patio
It's just 3 more Ignore Pains on 1 min CD it's bad
how is that bad compared to any of the other trinkets? We barely have tank trinkets no? Guess swarmlords better but as a second one
sweet summit
there is no other "tank trinket"
rocky briar
Try to do what I said, my co-tank told me it was better to him to take the first liquefy, it was easier to manage
young patio
there is no other "tank trinket"
Swarmlords?
inner wren
there are certainly tank trinkets
young patio
I guess Im just failing to see how the aggression module is bad
sweet summit
there are certainly tank trinkets
they don't exist it's all a psyop
young patio
you got prime stat + big 50% absorb shield on a taunt
dusk socket
Thank you all for the information, and confirming what I feared.
Was double checking to make sure I wasn't crazy
rocky briar
What was your fear
dusk socket
That I was over threating him
young patio
going into higher keys gathering mobs just by pressing taunt you got a good shield and dmg absorb
rocky briar
kekw
dusk socket
but in reality he is underthreating himself
inner wren
aggression module is "fine" as a stat stick
deft mortar
how is that bad compared to any of the other trinkets? We barely have tank trink...
I value the strength from a trinket more than whatever the equip is tbf
inner wren
the taunt effect is whatever
deft mortar
It's nice to just have 60k str
tender reef
i have them already))
Yeah then set 😅
deft mortar
I am a passive stat kinda guy
tender reef
Me too
deft mortar
I ain't clicking another goddamn button
young patio
So what are our BIS trinkets then for Raid / high keys?
rocky briar
but in reality he is underthreating himself
Pop SW on the feast and you'll be safe
deft mortar
If it goes in avatar button it goes in avatar button
young patio
not talking about DPS like queens mandate here
tender reef
Healthstone is bound to shieldwall
rocky briar
should be really ez
tender reef
Meathook
Mark
Queensmandate
Doesn't matter
Just str
I listed the best
Check wow head prot warri guide if you need inspiration
Mandate is just raid boss trinket
young patio
I mean I dont see anyone running that in high keys
tender reef
New raid should have 1 or 2
young patio
mandate atleast
sweet summit
our main stat is strength but mandate has crit idk
inner wren
if its myth track its good enough for your weekly 10s bros
tender reef
if its myth track its good enough for your weekly 10s bros
Yap
zenith gyro
Been running maxed heroic sacbrood and mark, both feel great as a tank, but can tell in the 11's and up that I may need a trinket based around survivability. I am throwing around the idea of dropping ravager and running BSV in the tougher keys.
young patio
Nobody of the top 3 tanks right now uses mandate
young patio
and I am talking about 12+ keys as I timed all 11s
inner wren
you could go full mastery and be stam gemmed and have 2x throngus fingers and clear 10s with no issue
sweet summit
you'll be fine through 13s with sack and shard/mark
and you'll be fine in 12s without bsv that i can guarantee (unless you fuck up pretty hard but i don't like planning around failure)
tender reef
BSV is planning your healers failure
young patio
and in 12s I dont see how you would run mandate at all Im sorry, its not about ST dmg anymore but surviving
tender reef
Which I do
tender reef
and in 12s I dont see how you would run mandate at all Im sorry, its not about S...
Lmao
restive jackal
No one wanna help me what to pick fromGreat Vault ?
deft mortar
Healthstone is bound to shieldwall
Based
tender reef
No one wanna help me what to pick fromGreat Vault ?
Post again sorry
sweet summit
and in 12s I dont see how you would run mandate at all Im sorry, its not about S...
doesn't mandate have like a cast or something? if you can block during it i don't see why it's bad tbh
deft mortar
I should bind HS to smth
young patio
yeah its a cast
zenith gyro
In all reality, unless you are running with a boss Rsham or Disc, I do not get the warm and fuzzies from healers anymore haha.
inner wren
lets all fotm reroll to prot pals bros
restive jackal
I have a question what to pick from great vault I have 2 options shoulders (equiped hero non tier) and got from vault myth tier set or neck I put pics in a second:
inner wren
i wanna do 1.4m overall in m+
restive jackal
Post again sorry
I post it
inner wren
https://i.imgur.com/hAqcrQY.png
pog
sweet summit
I have a question what to pick from great vault I have 2 options shoulders (equi...
myth tier
deft mortar
i wanna do 1.4m overall in m+
It's also funny that their survival also depends alot on their dmg
And their pure dmg rotation is also their pure survival rotation
tender reef
I have a question what to pick from great vault I have 2 options shoulders (equi...
That's easy, take what ever is myth track
deft mortar
No u switch colossus for dmg
tender reef
Jajajajaja
restive jackal
That's easy, take what ever is myth track
ty
deft mortar
Or u choose between revenge or IP
tender reef
Says the thane slave
deft mortar
They don't even do that
south zealot
u said rotation
south zealot
Or u choose between revenge or IP
and no u dont
deft mortar
They just go brrrrrr
halcyon dust
I have a question what to pick from great vault I have 2 options shoulders (equi...
Take myth tier and recraft neck imo
young patio
any suggestions?
deft mortar
and no u dont
Go spam revenge at NW 12 first pull instead IP with 3M dps on you and tell me how that goes
tender reef
Queen ring
strong forum
seal of poisoned pact
jagged pier
ring
inner wren
one day ima get the ring
tender reef
Grfo
south zealot
Go spam revenge at NW 12 first pull instead IP with 3M dps on you and tell me ho...
i mean if u have no idea what youre talking about why even talk
young patio
pls no
inner wren
nome should mod anyone who gets myth track throngus finger and takes it
tender reef
Lel
young patio
even if it doesnt have haste?
tender reef
Then change the other ring
young patio
the other one also 3.5k 😛
strong forum
nome should mod anyone who gets myth track throngus finger and takes it
its funny that we get like 10 people per reset day
deft mortar
i mean if u have no idea what youre talking about why even talk
? Take big dmg have to use IP over Revenge
strong forum
of people asking about it
deft mortar
It's not even knowing anything mf its common fkn sense
tender reef
Teue
deft mortar
It's basic math
south zealot
? Take big dmg have to use IP over Revenge
its not a choice bc you dont revenge more for more damage
tender reef
I do
south zealot
its not more damage though
deft mortar
They on the same goddamn resource my man
tender reef
alpine zephyr
Is BRD weekly reset?
tender reef
I guess yes
deft mortar
And one isn't on GCD
jagged pier
yes
inner wren
its harder than that
tender reef
That's no good
deft mortar
U use IP to spend all rage after SB on some pulls and revenge only to keep dot up/if safe/if free
inner wren
those bosses dont play
deft mortar
Whereas Pala go Shield and Aven Shield brrrrr at every pull
south zealot
whether youre safe or not doesnt vary if youre using more revenge or not
it has the same spot in the priority
same as if its free or not
doesnt matter
inland raft
Brd is hard? Lol thats gonna make the casuals upset usually events are about relatively low challenge content for fun and easy rewards
deft mortar
Ok dump all your rage into revenge, actually go BT as well so u can dump more rage into it
south zealot
harder than heroic nerubar yeah
south zealot
Ok dump all your rage into revenge, actually go BT as well so u can dump more ra...
are you intentionally dumb
deft mortar
Nah man ure just onto nothing
south zealot
more revenge is not more damage
tender reef
More revenge is more dmg
south zealot
fucking fotm players
south zealot
about what
tender reef
So more revenge more dmg
south zealot
i bet i was right
inland raft
Revenge is pretty much only there to reset shield slam if dont get a reset and cant press anything else
south zealot
you use revenge to proc shield slam if you cant shield slam or thunderclap
this literally never changes
tender reef
Yes and more revenge more dmg
south zealot
Yes and more revenge more dmg
we are talking about 'spamming it' when youre safe
waxen quarry
tender reef
we are talking about 'spamming it' when youre safe
Yes
inner wren
south zealot
definitely cant be slurring
south zealot
<@&257983573498265600>
tender reef
Wow
tender reef
No reason for slirs
tender reef
Can y'all relax
south zealot
you are 2800 io trying to flex on someone who hasnt even tried pushing at all this season
inner wren
guys its world of warcraft this might be the lamest argument ive seen in here
south zealot
never claimed to be?
south zealot
he still does and its fine to do as long as you understand what you lose
toxic pewter
I think I am still more of a fan of dropping sc and getting bolster bsv
if i wanted bsv
south zealot
literally nobody has said its a talent thats useless
inland raft
Its a great talent if dont know how to press buttons
south zealot
its a fine thing to take as long as you understand what dropping ravager actually does
toxic pewter
it's definitely not useless it just has a high opportunity cost
waxen quarry
im like 400% sure nome said u should drop sc and take bolster + bsv
and makes sense imo
tender reef
its a fine thing to take as long as you understand what dropping ravager actuall...
One less button to press, thank god
waxen quarry
its a fine thing to take as long as you understand what dropping ravager actuall...
thoughts on yodas tree
troar without twords
south zealot
if its what he had in his guide when it came out
its shit
prot warrior tree has a lot of power though
inland raft
That choice is fine but his spec tree choice is troll
spring tusk
Yo, does anywone have any reccomended prot keybinds?
struggling to find something that feels natural
inland raft
Ya big troll
jagged pier
ppl dont run that do they?
inland raft
Giving up a ton
south zealot
yoda does
tender reef
struggling to find something that feels natural
IP mouse wheel up, SB mouse wheel down.
Alt 1-4 for off CDs
Shift mouse wheel up for health potion and last stand
Shift mouse wheel down for Frontline potion, healthstone, shield wall
Mouse 3 jump
Mouse 4 avatar
1 battle rush
2 TC
3 revenge
4 shieldslam
F kick
X taunt
5 demoralizing shout
south zealot
punish?
waxen quarry
idk nome said he wont comment
south zealot
yeahhe considers it a low value talent
waxen quarry
🎦
jagged pier
yeahhe considers it a low value talent
bet he runs high vers for the 'DR' tho
tender reef
Best keybinds
waxen quarry
punish also increases rage gen right or is it only dr
tender reef
You're welcome
spring tusk
how useful are the macros etc? like the ip shield slam one ?
tender reef
Wow I post you keybinds and you ignore
jagged pier
wont save u any buttons
waxen quarry
punish also increases rage gen right or is it only dr
nvm its damage
spring tusk
Wow I post you keybinds and you ignore
I was asking for the IP Up and down lol
waxen quarry
spring tusk
nice to combine health potion and last stand tho
waxen quarry
idk this is also such a weird choice
i guess if u really need 2 shield walls for a specific pack
oblique garnet
waxen quarry
but u are losing so much rage gen
tender reef
oblique garnet
Always on some bullshit
waxen quarry
😊
oblique garnet
So anyone else wilding out or are we behaving now?
alpine adder
deft mortar
Did I get banned
alpine adder
can someone tell me not to take the speed trinket
oblique garnet
Yeah dont do it
alpine adder
Thx
proud plank
can someone tell me not to take the speed trinket
clearly you take the speed trinket over myth track pieces 
spring tusk
IP mouse wheel up, SB mouse wheel down.
Alt 1-4 for off CDs
Shift mouse wheel ...
battle rush being impending victory ?
sudden kelp
hi guys, i'm able to craft belt 636; maybe noob question but how do I know if I should put crit/haste or versa/haste on it ? Doing statweight sim ? M+ oriented
oblique garnet
619
red dock
Any of the anniversary items worth much? Trinket seems nice
vestal edge
i just dont get why they cant make good weapons with good effects everytime its like hey you know the 2500 strength thats usually on this item now it has no strength but it has a proc for 3000 str for 15 secs like wth
buoyant lintel
Because it's easier to churn out "balanced" "content" that way
round pendant
wtf are blizzard doing lmao
buoyant lintel
Blizz is a public company so everything they do will try to cut costs as much as they can
vestal edge
i think the mythic plus is a bigger issue these affixes straight up suck every week. people have been hating tyrannical for years and now its literally every week
buoyant lintel
Without hurting their bottom line
vestal edge
and who thought of the 15 second penalty affix and when can we throw them in the shark pit
plush tendon
The state of classes this patch
just embrace the madness
round pendant
There's nothing to embrace
Things aren't even broken in a fun way, everything is just made to feel worse every patch
Crazy how much more negatively I feel about wow this expac than last
Did they literally fire everyone who made DF decent and just got the interns to work on TWW?
vestal edge
i actually like this xpac i just hate mplus rn
plush tendon
idk, the content is generally pretty good
inner wren
huh
plush tendon
but their balance has ALWAYS been atrocious
inner wren
the affixes are easy and in high keys there are no affixes
plush tendon
expecting them to not be is a fools errand
vestal edge
atleast volcanic quaking bolstering were fun and goofy and required gameplay just tyrannical fortified and the 15 second penalty and then the stupid xalatath affix SUCKS
random urchin
Hello, prot warriors. I come to you with an issue - what the hell to take from GV. These are the options. I mainly play m+ on this char (or at least plan too, cuz it's fresh-ish alt) it only sees raids as a booster on HC, so getting swarmlords from the boss or the mythic version is impossible.
plush tendon
into VDH dominance
round pendant
Point is at least half the classes didn't just straight up feel like shit
sharp gale
into VDH dominance
And Aug
inner wren
Hello, prot warriors. I come to you with an issue - what the hell to take from G...
myth track trink
go get normal swarmlords and boost it to 619 if you really want it
vestal edge
Hello, prot warriors. I come to you with an issue - what the hell to take from G...
i feel like skarm is probably "better" cuz its mythic track but honestly the trink from grim batol is betteri mo
plush tendon
Hello, prot warriors. I come to you with an issue - what the hell to take from G...
Im taking myth track Shard
its a non farmable trinket
inner wren
skipping myth track shard for swarmlords is a meme
plush tendon
Swarmlords is farmable if you really want it
vestal edge
ye tru
i took the meathook 623 cuz it was mythic track but honestly idk doesnt feel that great to use
round pendant
Trinkets all suck ass too
plush tendon
^ not wrong
sharp gale
i took the meathook 623 cuz it was mythic track but honestly idk doesnt feel tha...
ST dmg trinkets usually does that
plush tendon
vestal edge
ST dmg trinkets usually does that
yeah sucks having a juiced trink but can really only use on raid ST XD
sharp gale
I wish I could recycle my crafts just for crest idc about the spark
vestal edge
would u guys want to have it so you could swap trinks in mplus too for diff bosses or is that too much sweat
tropic tangle
prio dam isn't terrible in M+
but yeah, meathook lost a lot of appeal once it got fixed with the tank treatment
sharp gale
would u guys want to have it so you could swap trinks in mplus too for diff boss...
No i don’t want to have more macros
vestal edge
i hear u
foggy lance
Hi guys! What's the best craft 639 to do? for m+ content
red dock
shield if you dont have a myth track one
granite zephyr
I went shield first, sword second, boots to fill in lowest ilvl slot 3rd
vestal edge
but yeah, meathook lost a lot of appeal once it got fixed with the tank treatmen...
for mplus i usually use 619 eggsac from arakara and 619 mark of khadros hook is my only 623 trink
tropic tangle
yeah, I'd prob do the same
mark is nice to pair with your ravager/spear/shield charge
vestal edge
it was toxic
i was thinking just weapons/trinkets instead of full gearsets
frank rock
Best feeling is getting mythic track shield from vault week after crafting the 636 🙂
gz me
vestal edge
thats how the game works tbh
i swear whether its classic or retail i only get the item i want after i put gold and resources into a placeholder item
ive legit paid gold for boe legs and enchanted them and all that shit just to bait the real legs to drop and it works consistently
jagged pier
i dont know why ppl are crafting if they are farming myth vaults
we literally tell u not to do that
sharp gale
Best feeling is getting mythic track shield from vault week after crafting the 6...
Don’t worry now that I have too many myth tracks, each week I’m scared to death of that socket pick
frank rock
would it be better to have 629 shield and hope for a shield in vault?
i get 2 max 3 mythic vaults per week
doesnt seem logical
vestal edge
636 shield with perfect stats how much worse is it really than 639 with the wrong stats
high wyvern
we already had swapping gear in m+
I remember switching legendaries between packs and bosses
jagged pier
worse
sharp gale
And I think now we are in crests cap > upgrade everything to 626 so you can start to think of just crafting 5 items if you start fresh
jagged pier
because its the only piece with block on it
vocal cave
any notable drops from event raid?
vestal edge
should i use gildeds to max out my heroic tier set until i get a full 4pc mythic track set (never)
high wyvern
Use ur crest to craft important 636 piece
Most people leave their heroic stuffs at 4/6 for now
vestal edge
Use ur crest to craft important 636 piece
yeah i have 636 weapon ad shield already i have some 619 crafted boots that were just ilvl filler, not sure if i wanna just max em out or start using gilded on my heroic set and my few myth track items
sharp gale
yeah i have 636 weapon ad shield already i have some 619 crafted boots that were...
How much is the cap ?
vestal edge
(Im guessing no myth raiding)
yeah my guild kinda ass