protection

[waxen orbit]

Yeah

[umbral kernel]

Yea exactly

[waxen orbit]

I’m cool with bricking when it’s in moderation

I was pushing since launch of this expac and not really that salty

I’ve only hit this point as of 2 days ago

[umbral kernel]

bricking keys is part of the randomness of pug, and you should not get mad over it because you have absolutely no control on what other players do

[tawdry cloak]

I guarantee there’s something you could have changed to increase your chances of timing the key. You cannot play the game for the other person so that’s not a realistic method of improvement. Find what you can do differently

[long bronze]

So how about those spear icon changes

[waxen orbit]

Okay but you’re assuming that people don’t do that

It’s assuming people just don’t think about what can be improved lmao

[umbral kernel]

I stop arguing it's almost religious at this point lol

[pallid quiver]

People are expressing frustration about the differences in player mindset and performance that pops up when pugging, which is reasonable. They're not saying they're not having fun because they're not timing; they're saying they're not having fun because there's lots of people they're having friction with that are causing bricks, and it's frustrating that they can't do much to help improve the situation without just being in a different situation.

[tawdry cloak]

Maybe that’s more networking, maybe it’s comms, maybe it’s your defensive usage

[urban bane]

There are diminishing returns to what you can improve upon in keys as a tank. At some point others gotta git good, too

[buoyant lintel]

Yeah most of it is out of your control. It's part of cooperative games

[long bronze]

I didn't really think the spear icon change was needed but I guess its better than target capping TC

[tawdry cloak]

Sure, so why focus on what’s out of your control. Improve what’s in your control and I guarantee you push higher

[waxen orbit]

I’m just gonna say, I’m HF autistic and I’ve hyperfixated on tanking for 4 years, I quite literally think of every possible route I can improve as a player

I’m just clocking when it’s other people and it’s frustrating that others don’t do that

[tawdry cloak]

So the thing you can improve is finding these other more improved players

[urban bane]

Upward class mobility

[pallid quiver]

No, I literally cannot do healer dispels on other people. There is NOTHING I can do to stop last boss Boralus from killing the party if the party does nothing about it. I can't even be a Dwarf to solve it, because they still can't dispell magic.

There
is

NOTHING

you can do

You can provide the info or ask people

[tawdry cloak]

Find the healer that will

[urban bane]

Pick yourself up by your bootstraps people

[waxen orbit]

Okay you’re being facetious at this point dawg

[umbral kernel]

nah Thwump was a bit arrogant in his message and I was caustic in my answer but there is a limit to what you can do in pug. You're talking about networking and comms, you don't do that in pug. That's the definition of pug

[waxen orbit]

I def sounded arrogant

[pallid quiver]

You can't just swap someone out mid run; that's the problem that's being discussed. You're simply moving goalposts to win an argument.

[tawdry cloak]

I don’t mean improving your button pushing. There are a myriad of para-gameplay aspects you can improve on

[long bronze]

What's yalls favorite all time spell reflect

[waxen orbit]

Btw sorry for telling you to delete yourself bro

[umbral kernel]

nah I suggested it first

[long bronze]

I remember some pretty crazy spell reflects in BFA

I just don't remember what they were

[pallid quiver]

And this is why discussion good, because it lets people actually come to an understanding; even though there was friction, we've had two people at each other actually understand each other

[tawdry cloak]

I’m not. Everyone wants to cry that everyone else is ruining their experience. Take some ownership over your problems and I guarantee that mindset will change your results

[pallid quiver]

I'm glad both of you managed to cool down and make amends.

[long bronze]

speaking of cooldowns, avatar is pretty awesome

[south flint]

that was the dumbest argument ive ever read

[tawdry cloak]

Or keep crying and keep getting the same results. It’s your sub

[waxen orbit]

This is legit just the pull yourself up by the bootstraps ideology

[urban bane]

it really is

lmao

[waxen orbit]

Give me others’ bootstraps and I’ll do it myself

[south flint]

use the block button my friends

[waxen orbit]

I’ve got the time and the mental capacity

[pallid quiver]

A lot of it stems from people just being frustrated, and it doesn't help when people are attempting to grandstand how awesome they are in the middle

[tawdry cloak]

You can’t, so grab your own

[violet ginkgo]

So how do we and blizzard will come to an understanding

[pallid quiver]

you would not want to see how my chat looks half the time

[grim grotto]

is it just me , or do we strafe / lag / moonwalk without pressing wasd after we leap + charge ?

[umbral kernel]

haha ngl me when I saw the last patch notes

[pallid quiver]

Listen, there's gotta be a willingness to engage in dialogue

[long bronze]

I am unwilling to engage in this dialog

[pallid quiver]

And Blizz ain't willing to talk with no cave dwelling zug zuggers

[waxen orbit]

Can we just get one of the Skyhold mods that works with Wowhead and sims as the class dev for warrior?

They’ve unironically displayed the credentials for it

Not even shitposting or glazing

[umbral kernel]

when I saw that, I was like ok wow is just a minigame after all

[long bronze]

the good news is

[waxen orbit]

They’re right like 80% of the time too, that’s a pretty good rate

[long bronze]

this is in theory just the rework of some hero talents

[urban bane]

amen

[long bronze]

and the nerf bat is around the corner

[long bronze]

that said, anyone who is upset that they aren't as good as mage is seriously cope at this point because mage is ALWAYS good and you should know better by now

[umbral kernel]

lmao

[pallid quiver]

Straight on to Fury Warrior's face

[long bronze]

shouldn't have played dps warrior

[umbral kernel]

I'm not mad because I don't play this game "competitively" anymore but jeez they seem lost

[long bronze]

they need to learn from boomkin and sandbag to the moon even if they are good

[south flint]

warlock was too until this expac lol

[long bronze]

fury showed their hand on heroic week

[south flint]

now all 3 are bottom, getting the hunter treatment

[long bronze]

morons

classical blunder

[grim grotto]

from what side u have this?

[umbral kernel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/expected-class-tuning-changes-with-patch-11-0-5-class-writer-opinions-348659

[grim grotto]

site*

[long bronze]

I saw the light at the beginning of TWW and was like, you know what, I'm just gonna be a tank main

[umbral kernel]

I rotate Wow, satisfactory and tekken these days :

• wow with friend
• tekken / street fighter for competitive
• satisfactory for chill

[long bronze]

I now get to sit on my throne of shields and laugh as these petty dps squabble over whos e-dps is bigger

[umbral kernel]

perfect combo

[pallid quiver]

my condolences, he's a tekken player

Wasn't forged in the fires of korea, lost in the sea of NA

[umbral kernel]

Tekken is fun but community is another world haha

[pallid quiver]

or randomly the middle east as we've found out

[long bronze]

online video game, any competitive element at all, "community"

[buoyant lintel]

Red ranks are psychotic

[pallid quiver]

I only occassionally see bits from Tekken from my animoo fighter land. I watch a non-zero amount, but can't really find a drive to learn it.

Especially with T8's monetization, that's hilarious

[umbral kernel]

street fighter "community" is chill and friendly, at least on discord

[pallid quiver]

Deeeeepends with the fighting game community. If it's the wider group at large for the larger games (Tekken/SF and the like), it's pretty bad

[primal narwhal]

Whats the chill part abt the community, all I see is downplay

For FGs at least.

[buoyant lintel]

Sf community has had its highs and lows. A lot of the old guard knows what it's like to not have many people to play with

[long bronze]

I don't think human beings as a whole are capable of holding both the ideals of competition and community in their minds at the same time

[umbral kernel]

lmaoooo that kuma pfp

[pallid quiver]

If you get into groups that are like more dedicated tournament goers, it's usually more chill

[long bronze]

individuals certainly, but en mass? no way

[primal narwhal]

Surprise. I play Paul instead

And now heihachi

[pallid quiver]

FGC Twitter drama is amazing tho

[umbral kernel]

the pfp mixup

[umbral kernel]

insane, anime fighter drama

[violet ginkgo]

why this guy got so much plot armor? like the plot armor is really2 thicc

[primal narwhal]

I don't like the bear play style

[umbral kernel]

you are served now with hei, I dunno if he's really low or high tier but old man kicks ass with style

his combo sauce brooo

[pallid quiver]

Not even just animoo fighters, either. SF drama is peak. Also just salty tweets, too. Even though Punk is real damn good at the game and deserves to win, I hope he loses GF every time just so I can watch Twitter

[umbral kernel]

oooooh yeah you're right about punk, world's best scrub

[primal narwhal]

If u want anime FG drama. U can always just go play strive.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-im-home-leaving-gif-13884617

[pallid quiver]

harada really likes him and the community really likes him

Fighting game players really don't like losing old favorites in new installments based on things like Soulcalibur 5 and some initial responses to SF3

[pallid quiver]

vanilla bread ass game; i can get the drama just by watching, thanks

[primal narwhal]

I mean, in SF we thought bison died too. But he's back as well

[umbral kernel]

it's good he's back tbh

[pallid quiver]

Hi nim, it wasn't even me who started it 🙂

[lusty grotto]

lol

its fine carry on

[toxic pewter]

Who else gonna rock battle gear of wrath armor

[long bronze]

you kinda did #protection message

[pallid quiver]

I was baited, thank you

[long bronze]

[pallid quiver]

Normally I'm the one who chucks out the fighting game bits, but someone else did this time

[umbral kernel]

Lmao sorry

[lusty grotto]

not like there's anything else to talk about haha

[long bronze]

what do you mean

[pallid quiver]

But we need real fight games in this discussion, like Hokuto no Ken

[long bronze]

SPEAR ICON CHANGE?????

[high wyvern]

Let’s talk about Yoda build again cuz theres no real drama / changes

[pallid quiver]

we riot, change bad

i don't even know how they're changing it, it just scares me because change

[high wyvern]

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[pallid quiver]

i think i prefer the fight game talk

[long bronze]

[primal narwhal]

I won't know it changed cuz I have spear macroed

[pallid quiver]

I wanna talk about Under Night, I like that game 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

SPEAR ICON CHANGE Recolour

[strong forum]

it turns from blue to brown

[lusty grotto]

like my poop

[umbral kernel]

goated game tbh

[long bronze]

brown....good?

[high wyvern]

I know someone who macro: shield slam, thunderclap, ignore pain, and shield block in one button

And hes 2500 io

[long bronze]

blue = mage
brown =

[lusty grotto]

dont worry, gio posted an amazing build last night

the guy had no rend

[long bronze]

rend doesn't hit hard so it must be shit

[pallid quiver]

Uni 2 is interesting, because I like some of the new chars and changes are neat, but I think balance in earlier versions was a bit better. Unist was probably the best in recent memories; I didn't like Vat being as strong as she was in Uniclr, because it felt jank why she was strong in there, speaking as a Vat player

[lusty grotto]

but thunderous words AND bloodsurge

no rend

[violet ginkgo]

[primal narwhal]

My brain got rend reading that

[long bronze]

[pallid quiver]

If your poop goes from blue to brown, you should get that checked out

[lusty grotto]

its just food coloring

[pallid quiver]

something something bleed support

[violet ginkgo]

he probably ate blueberry too much on first place

[lusty grotto]

even bleed supports picks rend though

[long bronze]

that ain't shit, I'm >2600 and im garbage so I can make these claims

[high wyvern]

At least we didnt get nerf this patch

[pallid quiver]

But that's bleed damage, not bleed support. How can you support bleeds as hard if you spend points on bleeding people? You gotta support it

[long bronze]

wym we got nerfed

[pallid quiver]

Colossus took a stray

[long bronze]

text is red

[primal narwhal]

Maybe the nerf wasn't hard enough for him

[high wyvern]

Only yoda build got nerfed cuz he ran thunderour roar

[long bronze]

its so over

[lusty grotto]

if youre gonna bleed, you gotta bleed harder and gain more rage from it okay?

[high wyvern]

Spear gang is gucci

I love using spear on the bats before the the last boss of ara kara

Feels so satisfying

[long bronze]

im goin roar in protest of them changing my icon without a popular vote

[primal narwhal]

I like to use spear to kite the ogres in grim batol so I don't die

[pallid quiver]

I'd wager the icon changes if you use the glyph that makes it have the old graphics

[strong forum]

i like to use spear to do damage

[long bronze]

until they pay me to buy the glyph, i'm on strike

[autumn pendant]

Isnt one stun /soothe enough for them to drop enrage anway?

[strong forum]

correct

[autumn pendant]

then just do it again

[primal narwhal]

Yeah, but I pug and sometimes ppl over cc

[pallid quiver]

I'd wager shockwave would need a mini-kite in addition, but storm bolt would last long enough, but I can't recall

[long bronze]

whats the point of having a shield if you aren't gonna man up

and run away

[pallid quiver]

I was last in GB week 1 I think

[umbral kernel]

I love vat but I suck at charge inputs. I played uni a long time ago, played hilda. Bought Uni2 but don't have enough time to play it

[pallid quiver]

and i was running with a druid healer friend, so, like,

we just soothed it

[long bronze]

yall probably run away from throngus too

cowards

[primal narwhal]

I'm scared

[long bronze]

afraid he's gonna give you his finger eh?

[primal narwhal]

He wants to stick his big mace into me

[inner wren]

real gamers let molten giants lava fist their face

[pallid quiver]

Hilda funny casino character

Yeah, it's a shame to have rough times fitting in fight games. I haven't actually booted up Uni 2 for a hot minute due to messing with WoW until like, 2 days ago

[long bronze]

real gamers turn around first

[strong forum]

man the buff they did to lightning strikes last patch is hilarious

[high wyvern]

I like how we are so chill in here

[strong forum]

how is a single target proc doing that much damage xd

https://i.imgur.com/NRiG8pD.png

[high wyvern]

Fury channel and other dps specs are melting down over frost dk n mage buffs

[pallid quiver]

you do a lotta blastin', therefore, a lotta zappin'

[long bronze]

no tome

[strong forum]

ye tome not that good in keys

i prefer double on use

[pallid quiver]

The proc itself is ST is what he means

[strong forum]

for perma blast

[high wyvern]

Why do you have 2 thunderblast

[long bronze]

mark and shard?

[strong forum]

1 thunderblast is from seismic

i use transmitter and shard

[inner wren]

i shoulda gotten a higher ilvl tome while i had the chance

[pallid quiver]

Thunder Blast has two aspects of damage it recor- yeah that

I tried

I didn't get one

[umbral kernel]

I think I'll have more time from now on, I don't like this season, I tried to give it a good chance but I dunno some parts are too bullshit

[strong forum]

maybe i should cast more TCs

hmm

[long bronze]

no you need to cast more executes

[pallid quiver]

I think execute should cast thunder clap

[violet ginkgo]

[long bronze]

I think they should bring back condemn

[high wyvern]

Its ironic that prot warrior execute hits harder than Slayer Fury execute

[inner wren]

i forget i have execute

i should probably press that button more

[violet ginkgo]

like the DF S3 arms set? 😄

[high wyvern]

You should. Execute hits like a massive truck

[pallid quiver]

Only reason I won't immediately is because I want the cosmetics from this anni event, but after that, I'm probably done with S1

[long bronze]

I did SoD yesterday for mount and man I forgot how fun condemn is to press

[pallid quiver]

That's the exact reason it should exist again; it already has existed

[strong forum]

cuz fury execute isnt supposed to do damage

its just a rage generator

[waxen orbit]

Naw but forgive the salt earlier

[pallid quiver]

worst execute in the world

[waxen orbit]

Season is awesome if you got a group

[pallid quiver]

Can't believe they'd do that to execute

[violet ginkgo]

make fury execute hit harder plz

[high wyvern]

Terrible design if you ask me

[primal narwhal]

Man, I missed legion execute

[strong forum]

fury is entirely a terribly designed spec if you ask me

[inner wren]

we just need a cool tier set like casting demolish also casts a free ravager and champion spear at our location

[high wyvern]

Not fury as a spec

[waxen orbit]

Remember when prot banner execute was so strong in S3 of SL that we were actually #2 PI target in execute stage, and 2nd highest ST dam dealer next to demo lock?

[high wyvern]

Im saying execute designed for fury

[waxen orbit]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

mage buff is less insane imo, dk buff is just "wut"

[waxen orbit]

I remember

[pallid quiver]

I think Fury is designed fine, but it's not as fun or thematic as it should be

[strong forum]

bro theres isnt a single week that i dont complain about not being SL pwar anymore

[high wyvern]

If execute proc, you gotta press it imo thats should be the designed

[chilly brook]

I remember when our priest refused to PI me

:madge

[waxen orbit]

I have a very abusive relationship with it

[long bronze]

antorus Pwar

[waxen orbit]

Kind of a Stockholm syndrome situation

[high wyvern]

BFA Pwarr

[chilly brook]

And the Enh Shaman would bitch about putting a tank in WFT group

[long bronze]

R.I.P. inspiring presence

[waxen orbit]

I remember when I left my guild raid team for not being given WF

[chilly brook]

despite me getting the biggest gain out of anyone

[waxen orbit]

Still don’t regret it

[waxen orbit]

That part

[pallid quiver]

god i'm glad shaman wf is raid wide now

[chilly brook]

real

[waxen orbit]

Real

[chilly brook]

I just miss banner, the rest of the xpac can go die

[fallow hinge]

why is champions spear recommended over thunderous roar for mountain thane?

[chilly brook]

because it sims better

[long bronze]

damage

(big)

[pallid quiver]

Fits better with the damage profile of thane, so it does more damage

[chilly brook]

Gonna be an even wider gap now with patch

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-easportsbig-easports-electronic-arts-sports-electronic-arts-gif-27190796

[chilly brook]

Say goodbye to roar

[pallid quiver]

You also can then use the root utility, as well, but it's mostly the damage

[high wyvern]

Thunderour roar isnt terrible but spear is better right now

[pallid quiver]

since both roar and spear are pretty much just damage buttons

[fallow hinge]

if it sims better, then why does the rank 1 warrior run thunderous roar with thane?

[chilly brook]

Can't wait to give blizz $20 to race change

[inner wren]

same

[chilly brook]

because he did?

[inner wren]

time to give in to our dragon fursonas

[long bronze]

scalesona*

[high wyvern]

If you think you have to take roar to snap aggro cuz ur dps too smooth brain to wait a second, let your dps die

[chilly brook]

I'm not him, I can't tell you why he did what he did

[late bramble]

spear is for kiting

[long bronze]

kiting

what are you some kinda ppal pussy?

[high wyvern]

[late bramble]

Stonevault

[pallid quiver]

like, i

did bring up you can use the root utility if you'd like

[lusty grotto]

great for the big pulls after 2nd boss in CoT too

[waxen orbit]

Guh??

[pallid quiver]

Would you like to go back to the start of the talk or just tunnel vision on what discord started you on

[waxen orbit]

I mean maybe in a 13 sure

SV robot wing got that one kite pack

[long bronze]

#protection message

[waxen orbit]

First boss of NW you I can do it too, while still getting the crit bonus on boss

[lusty grotto]

yeah you dont actually kite it though

[chilly brook]

I must be doing something wrong cuz holy moly 605dh feels a bit squish in like 6s

[waxen orbit]

If you hit all the maggots and the first boss at the same time

[lusty grotto]

you just step back so they are within range of TB

[waxen orbit]

That’s still kiting

You’re out of melee range

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

[high wyvern]

Veng DH and Prot pally are quite squishy this season

[waxen orbit]

TB is just sorta ranged

🤷‍♂️

[long bronze]

if I can't live without facing my enemies head on I don't deserve to be a warrior

[waxen orbit]

That’s true

[pallid quiver]

That's even the traditional form of melee kiting, too, using extended range and slows to literally drag them like a kite

[long bronze]

[inner wren]

same

[waxen orbit]

But every season there’s a single pull

That you have to kite

There’s always one

[inner wren]

i tell my dps not to kill the gb enforcers until they have 20 stacks of the buff

[long bronze]

more dam = more rage

[waxen orbit]

Personally I just like feeling like Gimli holding the line against the Uruk-hai on the bridge at Helm’s Deep

Dwarfpilled and thanemaxxing

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/that-still-only-counts-as-one-lotr-dwarf-beard-gif-13281150

[waxen orbit]

I remember watching LOTR at 7 years old and Gimli being my favorite character

My fate was sealed from the start

[long bronze]

if you rock and stone, you're never alone

[bitter zealot]

He's a G

[chilly brook]

I liked Legolas but Gimli was a close second

[toxic pewter]

thanks for idea gonna watch lotr while servers down

should take up a good chunk of time

[waxen orbit]

Extended edition mandatory

You’ll get to see the whole first movie and the first fifth of the second one that way

[toxic pewter]

good call

found this lord of the rings movie made in 1978 its animated

XD

[bitter zealot]

Watch rings of power i heard it's amazing

[toxic pewter]

already seen every episode

I am in the minority I know but I enjoy it, but I acknowledge it is not faithful to the original works and whatnot

I dont even consider it that good but its ok

[cedar arch]

what u think about crafting shield worth it over other items ? does shield scale with shieldslam ?

[inner wren]

shield make you stay alive

[lofty warren]

Why does wowhead rotation say "Cast Champion's Spear on cooldown, paired with Shield Charge and Ravager."

What happens if sc and/or ravaged are not available?

[toxic pewter]

the strength and secondary stats help ss get stronger but the block value on the shield do not affect ss dam

[lofty warren]

They are all gcd so I can't pair them anyway

[inner wren]

should always be available with ravager

[rough crater]

why doesnt intervene always work on first boss NWs ability heaving breath spell?

[lofty warren]

Is there a way to put all 3 in 1 gcd?

[inner wren]

it does

[pallid quiver]

It means SC and Ravager should be active/hitting while Spear is down. Ravager lasts a while, so you can chuck it before throwing spear

[inner wren]

as long as you respect the rules of intervene

[pallid quiver]

But you'd preferably use SC after using Spear

[toxic pewter]

cannot use 3 abilities that are on the global cooldown in a single global no

[pallid quiver]

And no, they're all GCD abilities, so you'd just stagger their use across GCDs

[rough crater]

first one is intervene buff, 2nd one is heaving rech dmg

[toxic pewter]

means whoever you intervened moved away from you or you moved away from them

[lofty warren]

Should you ever hold sc or ravager to combo with spear?

[pallid quiver]

no

CDs on CD

If you just send them on CD, they'll line up when they line up

[inner wren]

you have to actually be standing on them when the retch goes off

[rough crater]

im stupid

[quartz thicket]

Anything looking good for us in BRD?

[violet ginkgo]

I mean... look they usually line up. Ravager and Spear are 90 secs and SC is 45. Means if you blow it all up originally then after 45 secs you press SC alone then the next SC is with ravager and spear again.

[toxic pewter]

the problem with brd gear its all hero track stuff lol, need myth track gear at this point

[lofty warren]

If you have spear down and you keep getting voilet outburst procs should you keep consuming it or use shield charge so it combos with spear?

[violet ginkgo]

I might settle for 626 this season.

[toxic pewter]

yeah I mean I guess maybe a 626 trinket or jewelry perhaps

[pallid quiver]

CDs on CD

[toxic pewter]

just press your buttons fast and remember ABSS

[lofty warren]

Don't userstand. The rotation guide says to consume violent outburst before sc.

[pallid quiver]

It hurts more to lose a cast of CDs due to trying to push something into a damage window than it does to have that thing outside of the damage window

[toxic pewter]

Always
Be
Shield
Slammin'

[inner wren]

anniversary curse upon us all

3x mythic track throngus fingers

[pallid quiver]

To elaborate, if you are using CDs on CD, you will have time to send that outburst after SC

Since when the CDs overlap, you will press Ravager into Spear into SC

and then there's still more spear duration

Just send your CDs on CD, and the problem solves itself

[lofty warren]

all im asking is if i do #6 and put spear but then i keep getting thubder clap/shield slam resets then that is what i should do evem if that means shield charge sits on cd until after the spear goes away

Ohh so you're saying the #9 is higher on priority compared to #8?

[sage pollen]

I think you want to shield charge on spear

mainly for the crit chance and damage

I may be wrong tho

might*

[violet ginkgo]

I know spear provide crit damage but I never read crit chance?

[toxic pewter]

doesnt give crit chance

just buffs 25% more crit dam

[sage pollen]

ok sorry my bad

but yeah

If shield charge crits it's huge damage

[lofty warren]

@pallid quiver

[toxic pewter]

with battering ram yeah but its just normal crit chance/crit damage without battering ram

[sage pollen]

yeah but still

[inland raft]

Wont be home for a bit how many extensions on maintenance so far?

[sage pollen]

I'm pretty sure that even without battering ram the crit damage it's pretty high right?

[bitter zealot]

Is battering ram ever taken?

[sage pollen]

no you don't

[toxic pewter]

no extensions... but its scheduled until 6pm eastern anyway.. prob will be up in time by then they are testing everything now to see if it all works the patch is deployed and everything

[violet ginkgo]

yes I think up to S3 DF and part of S4 then there is some changes.

after that we don't take battering ram, we move it to enduring alacrity

[toxic pewter]

the situation is saying that in single target/ low-target aoe situations, an outbursted Shield Slam does more damage than shield charge. So in that specific scenario, it is better to send the outbursted shield slam

[lofty warren]

Anyone can answer my question? I get that not every time you get non-stop procs I just want to know what to do if I need to use proc or use sc before spear go away

[violet ginkgo]

we can't answer your question anymore pepega

[bitter zealot]

Probably just me since I haven't played prot long. But I'd like if Shield Charge replaced charge when taken with a low CD and one charge rather then 2.

[toxic pewter]

I just answered it right above your last message

[violet ginkgo]

Well Roo the benefit of separate charge and shield charge is you benefit from rage generation.

Charge, then Shield Charge = 60 rage

[lofty warren]

Sounds like apb answered it. Follow the rotation order and ignore everything after the word paired in #6 because whether that text exists or not I should still act the same way

"Cast Champion's Spear on cooldown, paired with Shield Charge and Ravager."

Ev

[bitter zealot]

But like if u can use SC every idk 10/ 15 seconds and there is no range requirement wouldn't that be fine?

[muted arch]

how much benefit do you get from going dwarf?

[toxic pewter]

but at the end of the day you are overthinking it. Just press your buttons fast and hard and do big number

and shield slam a lot and keep shield block up

[jagged pier]

99% of the time u can press any button and its fine

[violet ginkgo]

if they replace charge with shield charge there is no way it will be 10-15 secs. And if that become such low CD, they surely nerf the damage and rage gen a lot.

[sage pollen]

yeah exactly

[lofty warren]

Should the wowhead genius be notified that the text after paired in the rotation guide should be removed since what you should do is the same if the text is/is not there?

[sage pollen]

double charge is goated

[toxic pewter]

ngl I have lost you and have no clue what you are talking about at this point

[inner wren]

i mean youre generally pairing it with those except during violent outburst scenarios if youre REALLY trying to perfect minmax but in practice it doesnt really matter

[bitter zealot]

I just like every skill I get to hit things with my shield so the more I can do it the happier I am XD

[lofty warren]

Or.. leave it up on wowhead so that random pwars read it and play wrong making us that are in know look better

[inner wren]

stop living up to ur name and just press your buttons

[violet ginkgo]

Apb, pepega doesn't even know himself what he is talking about

[sage pollen]

yeah dude is just yapping at this point

[toxic pewter]

the rotation guide is good how it is, it is succinct and has all the pertinent information for all current and prospective prot warrs

[muted arch]

what would u guys give up from the wowhead builds to take intimidating shout?

[lofty warren]

I agree. Don't suggest wowhead updates so that other pwars might hold their cds and we get gold parses

[toxic pewter]

Nowhere at all does it say that

you are spewing fake news

[violet ginkgo]

@toxic pewter the key of answering pepega is just give 1 answer then leave it that way.

[vague badge]

how much haste until i can pick into the fray?

[inner wren]

think pepega just trolling

[inner wren]

35%

unbuff

[toxic pewter]

yes

[violet ginkgo]

yes ziggs he is trolling, well he usually open with some honest question then 2nd question and so on are troll.

that's why the strat is just answer the first but leave it that way.

[lofty warren]

Idk about you but I was thinking holding cds to pair with spear might be good in order to fulfill the "paired with Shield Charge and Ravager." Part. Maybe I'm just dumb

[toxic pewter]

it literally says to use everything on cooldown lol

[buoyant lintel]

You don't need to hold anything to use them together

[inland raft]

If you can press it press it

[lofty warren]

What value do you get from "paired with.."?

[sage pollen]

bro read the talents please

[lofty warren]

I'm trying to say that paired with and on cd are contradictory

[buoyant lintel]

It is reinforcing that you should be comboing

It's not contradictory if they will always be up together

[sage pollen]

obv if you gotta sit it for 20+ secs just use it

exactly

[lofty warren]

If you combo then great but always should use on cd

[violet ginkgo]

@lofty warren let me put it this way, 100 ppl reading the guide got no problem reading it. Then 1 person like you confused of reading it and asked to be changed. Don't you think the problem might be you instead of the guide?

[toxic pewter]

obviously due to the global cooldown you can never get 1 to 1 pairity of cd on abilities

there will always be a slight delay

[lofty warren]

It might be me

[sage pollen]

more or less yeah

[violet ginkgo]

it's definitely you, it's no longer "maybe"

[lofty warren]

I don't care about the guide, I'm just happy I know qhat I should do ty

[inner wren]

pretty sure hes just trolling guys

u can stop responding now

[toxic pewter]

I do not think hes trolling tbh

[lusty grotto]

hes not trolling

hes that stupid

[toxic pewter]

yes LOL

[lusty grotto]

has been doing it for a while

[toxic pewter]

that is the vibe I got

[waxen orbit]

They line up

That’s it

[inner wren]

i choose to believe hes trolling

[waxen orbit]

Don’t overthink it

[inner wren]

because if he is truly asking this

[lofty warren]

Bro I was legit serious and 100% I think paired line can lead to confusion but it's not worth fighting over

[waxen orbit]

It’s not perfect wording but that’s what they mean

[inner wren]

after playing war for 3 months

[muted arch]

is it just me or are the dungeon specific builds on wow head all identical?

cant see any difference between them

[violet ginkgo]

because there is no need to build spesific dungeons?

nome's build is just work fine to all of them

[bitter zealot]

So they said some tuning will happen on the 29th do yall think prot will get hit?

[violet ginkgo]

plus what do you want to even change from our talent? pretty much everything is just 1 route except maybe 1 flex point.

[ornate thicket]

The specific dungeon is a thing they did across all spec guides now. So thats why the format exists

Things like curse cleanse or poison cleanse vs purge etc

[violet ginkgo]

I honestly think the dps spec should have some love, like arms is almost nonexistent

[muted arch]

ahhh ok, nah i was just saying i saw that this was added recently

[lofty warren]

I have seem ppl take the double shield bolt talent in m+ instead of intervene

[muted arch]

but they all seem the same as the standard build

thought maybe i just wasnt noticing the differences

[bitter zealot]

Arms has always been my favorite spec in the game but seems everytime I'm subbed it's in a bad spot

[waxen orbit]

Same but imo that’s stupid

[lofty warren]

You can look at builds on wowmeta or archon.io to see what the sweatiest are trying

[lofty warren]

Ngl I have been taking that bc I often forget to intervene during keys

[quasi pivot]

Having single target stop is important for a few pulls to desync auto attacks. Like the spotter packs in SoB. I love the intervene shield, feels pro-gamer when you save someone on an aoe with it

[violet ginkgo]

Basically right now Roo, the only way you got to play warrior dps is your own key or you got friend, that's it. If you fully pug no one will accept dps warrior now.

Thankfully your tank status is good. So if you pug M+ and want to play as warrior? practically has to be prot or ppl won't accept.

[plush tendon]

I mean, this is the reality of top keys

good thing 99.5% of the playerbase doesnt go above like a 10 at best

[inner wren]

hope they buff brew

chad spec

[plush tendon]

where none of this matters

[bitter zealot]

Yea when I came back to the game I was arms but literally no one would accept me so I switched to prot so I could actually play the game

[lofty warren]

Is there a way to macro based on role? Like @healer /cast intervene without a mouseover or focus frame?

[waxen orbit]

Do you want my weakaura set?

It reminds you to use stuff like that

[lofty warren]

Sure

[waxen orbit]

Auditory and visual cues

[muted arch]

the only thing i dont like about the standard build is it doesnt include intimidating shout or cheat death

[waxen orbit]

Alright I’ll DM you to mark it in my discord and I’ll send it when I get home

In an hour or two

[lofty warren]

Sounds good

[brittle owl]

pepega is that you

[median kayak]

would also take it of possible

[whole coral]

is there a weakaura that show you when to jump out of the pull in on the last boss in ara kara? i know you can leap out of it but i'm having a hard time actualy timing it

[bitter zealot]

It still sprinkles down doesn't it? Like people in a 2 key will want the meta specs that are used in like a 12?

[waxen orbit]

Designed it because I really kinda need stuff in the center of the screen to actually remember to use it (mainly just an autistic and ADHD thing for me personally) but it p much shows all your CDs centrally with a host of sound effects when stuff is ready

[plush tendon]

if anyone in a 2 cares about meta, stay away from them

they are doing you a favor

[brittle owl]

wait a minute

[lofty warren]

I goy a spell reflect weak aura from wago and that thing is great bc I'd either forget to use or use it on something that isn't even reflectable

[brittle owl]

@lofty warren did u get banned from felhammer?

[lofty warren]

Yea I said the name of a former us president's and they canned me. Wasn't even vulgar or anything

[waxen orbit]

If by cheat death you mean BSV, you shouldn’t be proccing that really unless it’s a 12 or 13

[brittle owl]

[inner wren]

sus

[bitter zealot]

I have had pug healers heal themselves like double what they heal me so I have been taking BSV as a just incase button ... I don't like wasting a point on it tho. I have trust issues Xd

[muted arch]

Yeah im talking for 12 and above

[waxen orbit]

Yeah it’s for sure great in 12/13

It’s maybe a 100-150k overall DPS loss but

It means literally never dying with proper play

Like never

And being able to pull like a fucking maniac sometimes

[waxen orbit]

Are you really in a high key pug if you’re not beating the healer in HPS overall every single key?

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[brittle owl]

pwarr hps

[agile elbow]

DK discord super dooming

[violet ginkgo]

HA? they got buffed, why dooming

[bitter zealot]

Last min nerf haha

[agile elbow]

They nerfed them by 22%

Last minute

Arcane got nerfed too

[bitter zealot]

Idk why as a warrior i love when dks suffer....

[lofty warren]

Is that frost and unholy or did they shaft blood too?

[agile elbow]

Frost and blood

[upbeat timber]

hi laddies, noob prot here 🙂 2 questions:

• how much of a dps decrease is it to take thunderous roar instead of champions spear for m+ ? would much rather have a press and forget aoe bleed
• better to craft 636 main hand or shield?

[lusty grotto]

shield

[strong forum]

its a 0.6% dmg loss assuming you do play both separ talents, if you dont play both spear talents ints a dmg gain

[violet ginkgo]

oh they nerf the heroic talent deathbringer, but damn... that's mean BDK is collateral damage

[strong forum]

ye BDK is dead now

[lofty warren]

They weren't even doing all that amazing I don't think

[lusty grotto]

meanwhile druid of the claw still cruising

[plain iron]

I know they are capped at heroic, but say you are a dirty casual that don't have access to mythic gear (yet), is there any trinket that are worth looking for in BRD raid?

[agile elbow]

Yee

[inner wren]

rip bdk

[river shard]

is that assuming both thunderous roar talents too?

[lofty warren]

I like this question hope someone give you answer

[agile elbow]

The frost numbers aren't even looking to be doomworthy. Speculation is the 22% nerf just puts them equivalent to the next highest dps class instead of gapping by a large margin. Arcane nerf takes it from an 11% buff to 2% buff.

[lusty grotto]

haha

[violet ginkgo]

What I don't like it Nim... blizz seems has a need to create collateral damage.
Want to nerf Fury? Let's make Arms as Collateral damage.
Want to nerf Frost? Let's make Blood as Collateral damage.

like why!? why can't it be just spesific spec, why must collateral as a bonus.

[pallid quiver]

I love how toxic Brann seems with all the system messages

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[stable marsh]

who's playing prot demolish?

[river shard]

how should I be simming my prot War for keys? or for AOE in general? Dungeon slice is no good, right? Shoiuld I do 5 target patchwerk?

[lusty grotto]

blizzard is dead set on balancing via hero talents not taking into account the other spec

they are tunnel visioning

[inner wren]

you will play the intended hero talent tree for your spec and you will like it

[lofty warren]

Shh they buffed dps war and accidentally gave us a buff too earlier

[lusty grotto]

5 target 1.5 min or 1 min is fine, you can also do 8 target

[strong forum]

no, only uproar or TW

you cant play both roar talents as Thane

dont have enough points

[agile elbow]

They think it's less work that way but they lack brains

[stable marsh]

if samone playing DEMOLISH WARRIOR can you guys tell me why revang isnt giving stack of demolish when hit 3mobs or more?

[waxen orbit]

BDKs deserve this

[inner wren]

DEMOLISH

[river shard]

Ty Nim & Nom, you guys are awesome as always...

[strong forum]

you need to talent seismic reverb

[lusty grotto]

you need to spec seismic

[waxen orbit]

They legit got to be immortal as their gimmick for 3 years straight

Fuck it bro

[strong forum]

BDKs do not deserve this

[lusty grotto]

yea agreed

[inner wren]

make bdks great again

[lofty warren]

Any spec with the number of buttons that bdk and brew have deserve 100% so nobody plays spec with too many buttons imo

[strong forum]

prot has just as many buttons

[graceful kite]

Wdym

[lofty warren]

Idk I feel like bdk has more

[graceful kite]

Dk doesnt have a lot of buttons

Only tank with involved gameplay with many buttons is paladin probably

[lofty warren]

Maybe not idk. Maybe it's bc I went from bfa DK to trying all the stuff they have now

[agile elbow]

And brew has significantly less now than they did before

[graceful kite]

Cuz you have to track others to use them efficiently

[agile elbow]

Brew before TWW was like trying to play the piano with t-rex arms.

[lofty warren]

And you have to manage your bone shield stuff in addition to all the buttons. I like the pwar style better "shield slam, thunder claps, shield block" end

[lusty grotto]

all tanks need to manage 2 resources

[bitter zealot]

Do you die alot in M+?

[lusty grotto]

boneshield is... not really something you focus on anyway lol

[agile elbow]

I'm just over trying to manage standing in something when a lot of fights require nonstop movement.

[lusty grotto]

outside of having it on pull

[lofty warren]

Hmm not really if I die usually it's a full whipe

[agile elbow]

DnD and Consecration is annoying.

[grizzled nova]

Pwar and ppala are the two best rotations in that they're 3 frequently used buttons and 1 off GCD spender, with many conditionals.

[agile elbow]

Make them auras, thanks.

[lusty grotto]

if they do

then they should SL cap them

like every other tank

[agile elbow]

Yeah.

[edgy bone]

How is this dude playing demolish on a +15? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVmbn-4CgQ&ab_channel=Kiratank_tv

[strong forum]

cuz theyre weird

also playing IO

[lofty warren]

I would be happy if they made it so we didn't have to put the spin y circle or spear and instead base abilities did more damage

I want to keep shield charge though for the interrupt

[violet ginkgo]

wait... is this some bug? I thought the colo talent already stat if it hit 3 then get stack, why must be paired with seismic to gain stack?

[grizzled nova]

you're lucky if your pugs are doing half that

[strong forum]

yes thats a bug

[grizzled nova]

is how he's doing it

[graceful kite]

Isnt it normal in 10s

[violet ginkgo]

So nome you telling me blizzard doesn't want to fix bug but want to nerf dps warrior, what is this clownshow.

[lusty grotto]

sounds like regular blizzard 🙂

[strong forum]

BSV was bugged an entire expansion

WW was bugged for 3-4 expansions

what the fuck do you expect xd

[graceful kite]

Everything is bugged its wow

[lofty warren]

Mr parrygod may i suggest removing "paired with Shield Charge and Ravager" from #6 in rotation guide?

Other people said that no matter whether that text exists or not that what you should do is the same

[ionic nimbus]

its not a bug, its a feature

[manic shale]

hahahahah

[strong forum]

it says "ideally paired"

[violet ginkgo]

3-4 expac? wow... I came back at DF so I don't know about the long bug that last 3-4 expacs

[strong forum]

but you dont always wanna pair it

[ionic nimbus]

did you ever played havoc dh? felrush zooooooom!

[lofty warren]

im on the prod wowhead and am only seeing paired with

[strong forum]

ah

then it got cut out when i shortened it

[violet ginkgo]

I haven't nim, I mean I don't play a lot of class. So far Warrior(main)/Druid/MM hunter/DK/Shaman

Other than main I just play to keep things fresh.

[pallid quiver]

It would be super nice if you could just say "just slap these buttons on CD"

but i get the feeling staff would get ornery with you for that

[strong forum]

not rly

i made the text so long

to be more precise

[lofty warren]

It's really not a big deal I just got supper confused when I read paired with alongside "on cd" because those are contradictory. It sounds like paired with and ideally paired are great but at the end of the day, you should never hold cd in order to pair

[strong forum]

they line up

they have the same CDs

on CD is pairing them up

[lofty warren]

What if you're in m+ and they got desynced because pack died

[strong forum]

then you misplayed

[lofty warren]

Ohh

[inner wren]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[strong forum]

and should aim to pair them again

cuz thats where the power lies

otherwise you should just stop playing spear

[lofty warren]

Ok hold spear if you don't think you can jam in a shield charge right after or pack will die before you can

That makes sense if pack if about to die to not use spear

[strong forum]

or ravager

[lofty warren]

But what if you get non-stop shield slam procs after using spear?

[strong forum]

[gentle shuttle]

does anyone have any advice on higher keys for mitigating the obsidian beam from first boss in dawn? i usually spell block the first one, then wall, then hope my team gets her to 50% before getting another beam. then repeat the same on the next phase. seems if i cant get enough uptime to cdr my shield wall that it can get pretty dicey, and the 25% reduction from spell reflect does not seem to be enough.

[grizzled nova]

You'll at the very least have reflect for every single one.

[gentle shuttle]

i've definitely fallen over with reflect up

[lofty warren]

Spear ==> shield slam proc 4x in a row ==> spear go away and sc not used yet

[strong forum]

SC has higher prio than SS

[grizzled nova]

Demo shout for every other, wall for every other, spell block.

[lofty warren]

The violent outburst version

[strong forum]

thats only 1

not 4

[gentle shuttle]

what's SC? new to warr haven't memorized all the acronyms

[grizzled nova]

shield charge

[gentle shuttle]

demo shout is DEF not enough in my experience

[strong forum]

i wasnt answering your question sorry rath

[pallid quiver]

Shield Charge

[grizzled nova]

These things will all be stacked with reflect.

You'll have reflect + wall/spell block/demo shout.

[pallid quiver]

But you can also apply shield wall, as well, and you can give yourself more of a buffer with Last Stand, as well

[grizzled nova]

For every single one.

[lofty warren]

Can you get violent outburst right after using it?

[mighty fulcrum]

i need opener help

[inner wren]

have you read how violent outburst works

[pallid quiver]

You'd have to have pooled a ton of rage and gone very out of your way to not press SS or TC to not consume VO and risk getting a second one

[gentle shuttle]

ok thanks, i'll try to keep that in mind

reflect + demo should be sufficient

[violet ginkgo]

what about try to wall the first one? after that you can cycle your rage and spam SS to reduce as much CD as you need, then 2nd one use spellblock and hopefully wall will be up for the 3rd?

[gentle shuttle]

yeah that rotation might be a better strat

[pallid quiver]

I can't remember exactly how far apart they are, but I think you might barely be able to catch two of them under spell block if you cast it late enough into the beam cast, since it lasts 30s

[gentle shuttle]

oh interesting, true

[violet ginkgo]

then it's even better 1st wall 2nd and 3rd spellblock and by the 4th come your wall is surely up again

[strong forum]

you can probably do SW -> Spellblock -> Spellblock -> SW

ye

ive not rly paid attention on that fight

[mighty fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/JHt3UTx.jpeg shamans and rets are hard pulling threat on the start of packs when im only new to prot but feel geared

i freak out

[strong forum]

threat is direct result of dealing damage

[pallid quiver]

You'd want to do Nome's rotation, since I think the 2nd beam specifically is more than 30 seconds away based on a log I'm glancing at

[mighty fulcrum]

charge, into shield charge, thunderclap, avater?

[pallid quiver]

They're usually 25s or so apart it looks like

[lofty warren]

Am I crazy or can't you get toilet outburst proc like right after using it?

[mighty fulcrum]

should i open with avater up

[strong forum]

only if you didnt use your first one and spent 240 rage without pressing shield slam or TC

[lofty warren]

Violent not toilet lol

[grizzled nova]

You'd have to spend 240 rage?

[pallid quiver]

That was the case in SL with the tier version of it, but that's because the 4p made it so Avatar gave you outburst

[strong forum]

ravager -> charge -> avatar + TB -> Demo -> spear -> sc

for threat

[pallid quiver]

So if you're thinking of that, that's how it used to be. But currently, you'd have to spend two and a half rage bars without most of your rotation

[strong forum]

otherwise aoe taunt

[grizzled nova]

What even is the genesis of this conversation, just fucken press shield charge during spear lol.

Stop inventing imaginary scenarios where you wont.

[strong forum]

pepega is as his name suggests

[mighty fulcrum]

first pull db 10

charge into first two then ravager big pack

also 2nd big pull db

[lusty grotto]

or

just invis pot first 2

and its an easier lust pull

🙂

[mighty fulcrum]

this is pug life

[lusty grotto]

so?

i do it in pugs

[mighty fulcrum]

no you dont

[gentle shuttle]

gonna try that very last second cast and check if it's still up before i panic and use another defensive :)

[lofty warren]

Ohh I think the problem is that I didn't know how toilet outburst worked I thought it was something that like nonstop proceed as mountain thane instead of being blessed on how much I spend

[gentle shuttle]

ty all

[lusty grotto]

tell them to invis pot, use those 200 DF pots they have bagged

[strong forum]

this is my DB first pull opener

[lusty grotto]

yes i do

[mighty fulcrum]

not telling people to invis pot in 10s

[strong forum]

this is 2nd pull

[grizzled nova]

Every single pug I've been in just does the first pull natty, everyone lusts double lieutenant pull on the boat.

[lusty grotto]

well you cant have anything done if you dont communicate

[mighty fulcrum]

i need to bind my heroic throw xD

[lusty grotto]

pugs arent mind readers

oh

we're talking about dawnbreaker

lmao

i was hard stuck on GB

my bad

[mighty fulcrum]

oh gb would make sense to pot

[lusty grotto]

yeah double lieutenant is the go to for lust

[mighty fulcrum]

i main rogue 2700io, this warrior is 2500 io now and it already feels left behind in elo hell

a crumb of threat and dps is crying

they cant kick

making learning prot so hard

[grizzled nova]

I mean that's just pugs in general.

It's a giant dice roll whether dps are going to bait mechanics correclty, place mechanics correctly, prio dps the correct targets.

[nocturne spindle]

2500 is just always gonna be elo hell now

since its basically the no timed 10s range

[strong forum]

always has been

[mighty fulcrum]

why is their number gold colored

when they have timed like 1 10 and the rest are 9 and 8s

[strong forum]

cuz comparatively its "high"

[barren oar]

11s generally better than 10s

[strong forum]

compared to good players its not however

[barren oar]

if youre selecting the fill wisely

[echo egret]

My DBM used to show trash mobs abilities timers in DF, is it gone now ?

[mighty fulcrum]

i wish i did this tank zero to hero experiment with prot pally

[sharp gale]

Idk their score is purple blue on my screen

[mighty fulcrum]

gold is from like 2300 on mine for some reason

[sharp gale]

Im not gold either im 2k7

[barren oar]

rio and blizz m+ rating uses diff colors

[sharp gale]

Yes I use rio addon

[grizzled nova]

Honestly the reason the vast majority of pugs fail, in my experience, is just that most DPS players just aren't that good overall, and part of that overall is that they rarely use cooldowns on the right things at the right times.

[dense portal]

Can someone give me the macro to announce the spell reflect?

[grizzled nova]

The reason you get those smooth sailing 12s while others are an end to end struggle bus is because one set of players knows what things need to die quickly and make sure it happens, others don't.

[mighty fulcrum]

same old thing

[barren oar]

good dps make nad break keys tank and healer can only carry so much

[mighty fulcrum]

higher keys easier with good players

[lusty grotto]

that reminds me, @strong forum what did you change with the WA last update? i havent updated yet

i saw the SR yell was removed

[jagged gust]

Ugh, that reminds me, when I updated it didn't save my size and position

Even though I had the box unchecked

[lusty grotto]

hehe yeah i dont update right away because of that

for some reason unticking size and position still messes it up

on update

[jagged gust]

Spent 30 minutes trying to get the pixels on the VO and rage bar tracker to align lmao

[strong forum]

small VO fix and SR/defenders aegis overlap fixc

[barren oar]

i'd be interested in a reflect WA that announces spell reflected, damage done and when it expires

[lusty grotto]

i see

[mighty fulcrum]

do u guys use cast on cursor for spear and ravager?

[strong forum]

you can

[lusty grotto]

i dont

[mighty fulcrum]

i do but wondering if most do also

[jagged gust]

@player because I'm lazy and don't trust my mouse

[strong forum]

i do at cursor cuz im not lazy

[barren oar]

< lazy

[sharp gale]

I do at cursor because I’m lazy

[jagged gust]

the duality of man

[waxen orbit]

Mage discord post

[lusty grotto]

i like the reticule too much

haha

thats an S tier message

[pallid quiver]

sending to my mage friend as we speek

[waxen orbit]

Tbh can doubly apply to warriors

[lusty grotto]

mmm

i dont know if that applies to us

we have the men but

people rarely follow it

[sharp gale]

Didn’t they get nerfed like an hour ago ?

[strong forum]

enha didnt

yet

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/handbanana-gif-6133650

[pallid quiver]

enha also has a non-zero amount of bugs, too, iirc

so like we don't even know how many things are going to be functional on enha

[sharp gale]

It’s like on many classes every patch

[jagged gust]

That Shaman S3 DR bug fix leads me to believe the bugs may stick around for a lil while

[strong forum]

2 of the 3 class breaking bugs are fixed

[pallid quiver]

Ah, good, so there's only one class breaking bug left.

[strong forum]

we dont know if they introduced new ones yet

cuz couldnt test after first 2 fixes

😄

[grizzled nova]

I just want to know what blizzard's plan for fury is - they made a spec that does 90s worth of aoe dps in 6s, then does nothing, decided that was op for 2 bosses, so they put them in the actual dumpster for every single piece of content that isn't blowing up a set of adds every 90s.

[sharp gale]

Fist of fury cancel on monk lasted since mop no ?

[grizzled nova]

Giga omega last place dumpster tier ST damage, bottom 3 overall damage, but they still keep nerfing it.

It's wild.

[jagged gust]

I still pump /shrug

[sharp gale]

They fix what went wrong and they will aura buff

Or aura nerf (like arcane mage and fdk)

The patch are reworks mostly, not balance/tuning really

[nocturne spindle]

servers unded

[jagged gust]

dang vault, helm with leech for prot or gloves with avoidance for fury, choices choices

[grizzled nova]

myth track helm has to be the better choice, more str, more armor.

[toxic pewter]

would you guys rather use a hero track sikran neck or a mythic regular neck

[tropic tangle]

another week, another blessed vault

[sharp gale]

A myth track regular sikran neck

[toxic pewter]

lol

crap just realized had this same conversation last week

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmmmm maybe myth? Extra health and stat etc2.

[toxic pewter]

when a myth neck dropped for me

XD

[jagged gust]

you know the answer is myth lul

[sharp gale]

I would wear a myth track neck, I would not choose in vault a myth track neck if I have sikran hero on me

[toxic pewter]

yeah exactly i didnt choose myth neck

i like sikran neck too much tbh

screw it

[sharp gale]

No more than you don’t care that much about having a good neck

[toxic pewter]

yeah exactly

[smoky anvil]

quite pleased given everything else was trash

[zealous goblet]

fellas should i choose a myth track belt and catalyst it or a myth trinket to save 60 gilded crests

since i already got 1 myth track trinket 2 weeks ago

[sharp gale]

First I want chest legs trinkets etc after we can talk about shit gear value slots

[grizzled nova]

need two upgraded trinkets to save crests

[zealous goblet]

i got one already 2 weeks ago

[violet ginkgo]

Is the catalyst even good? Also what trinket in the vault?

[grizzled nova]

I'm saying having one 639 trinket doesn't save you any crests, you need two upgraded trinkets before it drops the cost for others.

[zealous goblet]

void pactstone, and the tier belt is haste and like, mastery i think

[smoky anvil]

yuh

haste/mastery

[zealous goblet]

and no, my two trinkets rn are 4/6 hero bro, it'd let me get 6/6 for free essentially, since i also got another 1/6 myth 2 weeks ago

[grizzled nova]

what?

That isn't how it works.

[zealous goblet]

what?

[sharp gale]

My brain stopped braining

[smoky anvil]

7% haste gain off of heroic track sureki's GYATT what an item

[violet ginkgo]

Oh no I don’t know what is void packstone, probably something bad?

[royal rune]

is that trinket ok?

[swift veldt]

Well, i have 4set and crafted shield with embelishment. Im currently using heroic ulgax trin and the candle. Would it be better to open vault as prot or dps one considering my trinkets aint that good?

[smoky anvil]

take weapon, trinket is cheeks

[royal rune]

2.3mill dmg

is not nothing

[smoky anvil]

its a tiny amount in content that matters on 1 min cd that requires your taunt

its cheeks

[violet ginkgo]

It is nothing

[sharp gale]

Read what ignore pain does

[grizzled nova]

bleh

[royal rune]

right ok

[violet ginkgo]

Time to seek more offensive trinkets.

[grizzled nova]

just get lucky ezpz

[tardy sequoia]

is it normal to get oneshotted by obsidian beam on a +9 at 8844K hp?

[sharp gale]

I don’t even know what void pactstone is

[smoky anvil]

did you defensive?

gotta defensive that

[tardy sequoia]

i throw shield wall on first cast but second is uncovered

[inner wren]

void pactstone is aight

[pallid quiver]

If you didn't defensive up, then yes, it's very normal

[inner wren]

i have it on my war

[royal rune]

obsidian beam hurts

[pallid quiver]

Unless you're untalenting spell block for no reason

[bronze aurora]

myth shield with crist mast or myth legs?

[pallid quiver]

you have spell block

[smoky anvil]

I know

[tardy sequoia]

spell block works?

[violet ginkgo]

You know you have spellblock right?

[glad magnet]

Is the court trinket everyone seems to be using really that good in m+ or over valued?

[smoky anvil]

sw/spellblock/sr+ls

[pallid quiver]

Should also have Spell Reflect, can leverage Demo Shout, LS to give extra buffer

[tardy sequoia]

that's why I asked

[grizzled nova]

You should have reflect up for every single one.

[smoky anvil]

honestly, if you're rotating avatar well, you can sw/sb each

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block works on almost every single thing that hurts tanks this season

[grizzled nova]

Make sure you have one of wall/spell block/demo shout available to stack with reflect for every single obsidian beam.

[tardy sequoia]

i dont think i can reflect that btw

[grizzled nova]

Reflect gives you 25% magic dr for the duration.

[smoky anvil]

reflect is a 25% mag dam reduction for 5 secs

[violet ginkgo]

No no no that’s why you should open the pinned post sense’s document

[smoky anvil]

in addition to a reflect

so yes, you can sr it

[grizzled nova]

You should be using it a lot even if you don't plan to reflect anything.

[pallid quiver]

The only things it doesn't off the top of my head are Ansurek Feast, Extraction Strike in Ara Kara, and the exposes on Sikran (not the phase lunge, it works on that)

[grizzled nova]

You're taking a ton of magic damage.

[swift veldt]

I mean sacbrood drops in everyspec. I dont know if offensive ones will help me. I dont know if 612 is considered enough to kind of perform on +10s but today i've depleted grim batol so hard i didnt know its possible to get that much damage on tank ever. Maybe its just a skill issue or i was tried cause it was 2nd batol i've done and i performed much better with 605 then today with 613 lmfao.

[inner wren]

🙏 BLESSED VAULTS

[barren oar]

mythic track nullification aegis

[simple drum]

Why does Treacherous Transmitter sim SO LOW EVERY WEEK

I THOUGHT IT WAS CRACKED LOL

[sharp gale]

Im glad I don’t open my vault in prot lol

[grizzled nova]

movement minigame trinkets are a huge fucken pass

[jagged gust]

"Where the fuck did my orb go" for the dozenth time in a day

[sharp gale]

I have it on my hunt I hate that trinket

[smoky anvil]

statline now post sureki's

big happy

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmm based on the update channel by archi there might be extra maintenance

[mental pecan]

killing myself

have to go belt right

and catalyst it

[inner wren]

THREE CLOAKS

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[reef sluice]

The only feasible upgrade for me from a prot vault at this point is a hero track tier chest instead of champ. Do I start swapping fury for mad king/jewelry fishing from vault?

[sharp gale]

Plz give a screenshot

I want to see that

[steady ember]

Is myth Swamguard a good trinket? It’s that or myth chest. I assume hero track sac and hero track raid trinket is better

[grizzled nova]

that's what I just did sadge

[tepid arch]

Get the Sac or get a mythic piece and catalyst it.. currently have a Hero Sac.

[mental pecan]

🤝

[sharp gale]

Sacbrood 100%

[ionic nimbus]

Sacsacsacsacsacsac

[tepid arch]

i figured so.. sitting 14 min sim queue to verify

[sharp gale]

You don’t know if you would ever see it again anytime soon

Like a myth set piece you can take ANY piece/slot that pops in vault

[reef sluice]

Prot vault for shoulder/chest upgrade or dps vault for mad king/rings? What say you?

[inner wren]

life is pain

[true idol]

what % of your dmg is it usually? any idea

[jagged gust]

need 1h+shield? open prot. Need shield? Open prot. Need 1h? Open fury. Need neither? Open arms for offspec

[sharp gale]

Arms/fury for off spec and remove all tank trinkets from loot table

[jagged gust]

win/win

[reef sluice]

Thanks

[jagged gust]

yeah tank trinkets are the downside of rolling prot, but if you need a shield you need a shield

[sharp gale]

I crafted shield and wep, so I open every week since the first as arms

[soft mason]

That feel when you get 2x Pants and Throngus Finger from Vault but you already have Myth track set pants with speed.

[sharp gale]

The more myth track you have on you the more it happens

[soft mason]

Is there any reason to take Throngus? Or just get a socket?

[tropic tangle]

think that's a big socket angle

[jagged gust]

socket unless you wanr free ilvl

[reef sluice]

Champ tier chest to hero tier chest or sockets?

[jagged gust]

it is a funny item though, I do tend to take trinkets based on how much they make me laugh at a certain point in the season

depends on if you can farm 7s or not

[sharp dock]

Baby Prot Warrior here, (613), Skarmorak Shard (mythic) or Mad Queens Mandate (heroic) from vault?

[obsidian violet]

I have the same hero shield and shard trinket. I also have meh champ track rings. No myth track anything. Any recs?

[inland raft]

why do i suddenly have 117% move speed? is the speed gem bugged and giving speed buff even for multiple of same color gem?

[remote tusk]

cloak? idk

[jagged gust]

shard is the hardest thing there to get on myth track, but id be tempted to take shield so you never have to open as prot again

[vocal verge]

I'm leaning towards belt because 2 weeks worth of loot but idk if I'll see a decent trinket again. Tough choice

[velvet knot]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-dancing-dance-moves-peanut-butter-jelly-time-gif-17303374

[tropic tangle]

does the belt have a natty socket? that makes it tougher, but if it's just a belt you definitely go trinket

[vocal verge]

natty socket

[blazing condor]

certified peanut butter jelly time moment

[tardy sequoia]

well thanks, I followed your advice, alternated between spell block and SW and life got easier

[ancient grove]

should i craft my shield crit haste or haste versa ?

[valid pecan]

wat weapon enchant do we use?

[drifting veldt]

How trash is ceaseless swarmgland?

[ornate thicket]

Id go skarm shard. Can craft a belt

[ornate thicket]

Pretty trash

[prisma echo]

Bois what is correct route for first room in threads? Checking keystone guru and there are like 4 different routes. Is this the best one?

[pallid hare]

I'm looking at a Shard/Mark combo and am really surprised Raidbots is putting them as like a solid 2% over any other trinket options. It seems crazy to me that 2x on-use is considered this good, am i missing something or is mastery jsut that good?
(debating on myth helm vs trinket vault)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wD6W23BPcFY4hxpJ5rffot

[pallid hare]

depends on if you have access to the dungeon-buff

thats really the main reason there are so many options

[prisma echo]

ah it make sense

lets say i dont

buff is party wide?

[pallid hare]

yeah its like a 15% dmg amp for a shrot duration (forget exact details)

[grand ingot]

pretty fresh alt, what would you open vault as?

[remote tusk]

prot until you have big shield?

[grand ingot]

i have 1 myth slot i should say

was thinking prot

but can also craft gilded later

very scared of a tank trink in that 1 slot haha

[ornate thicket]

Fury

Craft shield

[warped nymph]

Can we have too much haste? wondering if should socket with haste gems?

[buoyant lintel]

you cant get too much haste in this phase

[sharp epoch]

Anything known about the brd trinkets if they’re worth going for?

[warped nymph]

IS the loot not 620 from brd quest? cache treasure monster?

[remote tusk]

its heroic level i think

[shy trout]

anyone switch to dracthyr yet ?

[soft tusk]

what's our bis off tier?