protection

[buoyant lintel]

if im going to press revenge i press SS first

[winged grail]

yeah not being able to macro it to spells is rough

[real fossil]

Feels like Deja Vu early into season 1 with warriors in a good place and suddenly prot pally might come onto the scene

[proud plank]

i’m very intrigued why storm bolt is with ur offensive cds

[winged grail]

ranged abilities

[buoyant lintel]

this is a good point it should be with pummel

[winged grail]

that is a good point though

its a cc

[buoyant lintel]

how much time have you spent in dungeons?

[proud plank]

idk i grouped them different than you it seems like

[winged grail]

no I agree ill move that over

just made this like 10sec ago

[real fossil]

Sheild charge isn’t a mobility spell

[proud plank]

i mean……

[winged grail]

cc as well huh?

[proud plank]

it can be put there

[winged grail]

good point

[buoyant lintel]

posting this is interesting because it gives us a peek into how u are processing yours kills

[winged grail]

well I hit lvl80 last night and this is a alt

[proud plank]

shield charge is shield block uptime

[winged grail]

so im but a humble learner

[real fossil]

No it’s kinda a core rotation ability or maybe with sb

[proud plank]

it just so happens to charge

[winged grail]

I see

thats key info

glad I shared this

[real fossil]

Revenge goes with rotation buttons

[winged grail]

"grants you sb" so thats a full 6sec added to it?

[buoyant lintel]

revenge, shield block, shield slam, TC should all be grouped together

[proud plank]

i thought revenge and IV were down there bc they both have free procs

[real fossil]

Gotta remember sheild charge/demo shout/avatar is pressed on cd

[real fossil]

Different use cases this makes no sense

[winged grail]

trying to make tc/ss the prio using revenge/iv situationally

also ofc for free procs

dont want to hit iv on cd when I could use the only heal I have

[proud plank]

wait a minute i can’t use other server emojis here

1984…..

[proud plank]

idk man i just use a WA pack

[real fossil]

You’re either over thinking it or thinking about the wrong things this makes no sense

[buoyant lintel]

honestly you should just plow thru follower dungeons and normals, trying to press all of your buttons on CD. you will learn what is important faster the more time you spend in dungeons

[real fossil]

On second thought this is so cooked lmao

[winged grail]

i'm roughly like 5 hours into it so im adjusting as I go

I did normal raid and 6 ish t8 delves today

[proud plank]

yeah idek why avatar is grouped with ur defensive cds

[winged grail]

its just a bigger cd I was thinking

so I have it in a diff row

[buoyant lintel]

i have avatar next to lance and ravager

[winged grail]

trying not to group anything with tc/ss

[proud plank]

put shield charge in the group of defensive cds

put avatar in w ravager and spear

[real fossil]

Shield charge, demo shout, and avatar (and spear and ravager) are all pressed on cd

And they are in all different places

[buoyant lintel]

try to think of the time scale of each game going on

you have like your core rotation which is about the CD of shield block

40 seconds which is demo and shield charge

[winged grail]

this better?

[buoyant lintel]

90seconds avatar, ravager, lance

[winged grail]

I feel like champion spear/ravager is like my get a big mob pull and throw it out kind of spell

[real fossil]

Press all buttons on cd, keep sb up, smash those IP/SS buttons

[buoyant lintel]

put shield charge next to demo

[winged grail]

not something id just use on cd

using on cd would just be like min/maxing dps right?

[real fossil]

Because of anger management and thunder lord you just send everything on cd

[winged grail]

rather than helping in situations

[real fossil]

Now it’s maximizing defensive value

Spend rage to get more defensive abilities to spend rage

[buoyant lintel]

you are using most of your spells on cd

and if you arent, you are trying to figure out where you can use it on cd

[winged grail]

right but youre trying to plan out your big def cd's, and using spear/rava to help with big pulls or situations right?

using iv when you need it maybe healers in a bind

[buoyant lintel]

yea you want to know what youre using before you go into it

IV can be used on cd as well tbh as filler instead of revenge

[real fossil]

It is just playing correctly- defensively and offensively. They are effectively combined now.

[buoyant lintel]

i think you want shield block next to tc and SS

same with revenge tbh

[winged grail]

I def dont want revenge cluttering it

im struggling to hit it on cd as it is rn

im learning though

[buoyant lintel]

5 hours is not a lot

[turbid shuttle]

you don't need to show revenge at all

[winged grail]

thats what I was thinking

show iv just bc of 25sec cd

Im already hiding ip

[turbid shuttle]

I have a dynamic thing that makes IV appear if below 60% and it's usable

otherwise I don't need to see that

[winged grail]

can I have that?

[turbid shuttle]

I just made it with custom trigger/condition

[winged grail]

im brand new to wa's im learning all that rn

[turbid shuttle]

!WA:2!1v1YUTXnx4OOF8xavGwl1g3e3GuL0eJ4UWi1ajnOOB04iL4chl1rJZLvA4md1qwpIKLdhjRSRAvwREBv3OfDv7gTQR9taHqrFa8I8a4NGEiNroXbXAHgEi)ox535WsTQnOwuTOxUXmAiN1LNjdXx9cZrrFFwQch9y0Hx81cu2fLJB3VFkwvAoIfs4YoCktfSDZ98A6UiKZtI4JyDhrfy)Jwk2mkgtKOqfLZsVNBQcjvvc6tz0usfh4JQYeLKghJLPBUUSy5RCvGoh4GYuCh1yb2nvGtsoonlapeZuDZ63NE48EB3ORxVUEnC9evZsX9IXmSKg2LWh1M5V4mIZtTFCXOOXNAOosmyi3UDAU7UZIWbGD9a3jFuZD70A)DxymQ117HgG9NyxUtuAfNmiYdejOXyPldolTIR1GIRSDrMxVJKhlXPP1VDxJABm1ymBE5p9uBE5Yx6VNMXkY7kRR)G)v)H6v0v11e1mkGcs5YGhHrjpMhH91xYxV6X5PYspnXGZeq(6R6RVPXKh)AvZv7A6ptF9fnS3d13pffKG1FUVEn9NQVLXR)b4XRPx3FbK8HqEqahQiRDJ7Dh91TExrS2ydF9T9Zl2NbPVy1Zi3JdIifxUwTVPWlIQgAWqSxEUAIR)8cNauiSKHsEcqaGy73pwuu2Y5JFXvVWfNMIt6BjB6)pCjLIuzGPXKzWTOlo2WS(6v1vxaIbq1nwYZyrVCnrnf(qvVucckspRG6kUIDt7F95YbiaqXchgNHNE6X34wI3byrXcxfDao64CpSm8CASVxBXhz30qDbC0WNsJueNgG4j5gIEioYU5pkU57W(gd3lbhJch3RFcNljhzby6dP9hdLajxbPVhSPZET3RPyL3ip3MNWLFBPsLkRRkHcI5Of5TRllbZSWdTald)Mw4FG8Uslj9f1)UmueuGr198ex)8IqHehsn3yLptD(5fojpMhciaMM)cR0iUm6PsKyYtlwS4upBB6AVV3U7CA(8gZyev3zV9A62ZPTNx7h7UZdFKN4ANxGLlvsu)8amGh1ZWF8FT77sFb(teBCEAengAXPH9ueGysGMUXfL0Lz7RweNWh1sI)HmmlCCN)3D2CR7MFbyo4iOD5HjfxoKjMTmjSBhGkKmZiUlMfRixAUz9sJonEPk2RPJmIpWW8nfDlYL3OwV7rOHhWGgNYwf7gIsWLDml9TBSlfoSQ1Boq9hljbemnMOA6KWrrdTJNyWqmj54WeuAkCdezg(fUAqkLfNG)PafytMAv3bzjkAfxlSv1SkowyWI8zwNvDFNuO8ApDf40gfVOyFGHaJOmT5b0bcUu92aOmYmPTd3uVCmptDYbySOHXUkxtPGmNYYVTauqiDA9sEyr1zRmA08TB2hZEUBJ72E08(syWBxLHIx25fC(GsUJm9JnNP4HdZNdD5s)18BqJaM3abMfb5F9NqdH5zJDrjccQSntxobgML5AyuNKtlAzCGjId6UTBZM7TaggaB3wyFfSsaKg9PXvKuMXByI4Jx(CPPP(bu745iF9H(ZaOruRARTUBibhEW6Udrjz4YtgIKudqhZRbYqcIfJtxRYKL2YFkIrZRl3txP1ryuQjRTmT3dg3F)frfSPEMNyHaX4S0jgCMGxFFNbikRL(NTO1)I(x1)g899F7DQLgC3n)YVAZTQn8FE2)9

[winged grail]

the more I can remove the better

I want my eyes to be on sb timer and ss resets

[real fossil]

Your IP shield bar amount is one of the most important things to have visualized

[turbid shuttle]

I use a bar like this

use rage bar to fill sb/ip bar

very easy to process

[winged grail]

im not sure I even have one

whats the bar do?

[real fossil]

I’d really suggest getting a weak aura pack and then turning things off you think is too much

[winged grail]

I did but it was rough

[real fossil]

Because your set up right now is cursed and you’ll end up making mistakes

[winged grail]

Might have accidentally deleted ip bar

[winged grail]

really???

[real fossil]

You’ll make more mistakes with what you have

[winged grail]

I have everything I need though besides ip bar right?

[real fossil]

Yes you’re missing like half of the most important aspects of the class

[winged grail]

wait what

like what

I have every ability I have besides ip shown

[real fossil]

And your spells are clumped in a way that will make playing correctly harder

[winged grail]

and execute pops up when able to use

right spells clumped up weird but not missing half of them right

I made a point not to delete any spells I have

[real fossil]

Sb uptime, ip amount, rage, along with outburst procs

It’s basically this

[winged grail]

I have sb uptime but it only comes up when It's used

its right next to sb the missing part in the square

rage is right under my hp bar

the 0

[real fossil]

Look up the opener rotation and line up the buttons

[winged grail]

charge in/tc/ss with sb no?

using abilities on cds/situationally

like spell reflect etc

revenge if free procs, using excess rage on ip/revenge

I dont really need to see shield charge/herioc leap/revenge/ravenger/champions spear off to the side, just glance over if its off cd every now and then

is what I was thinking

my eyes are focused on my character and tc/ss/sb/sb uptime

[buoyant lintel]

to be honest your eyes shouldnt be locked on your shield block uptime

really the only solution is to just play a lot

[real fossil]

My guy you have to go around the world in your UI for the first 8 globals in a pull

This is not helpful

[winged grail]

like this but glancing over

is what my eyes are able to see

at all time

[winged slate]

Is this the clock UI?

[winged grail]

glancing over situational

[winged slate]

Where depending on the hour you look in a different direction

[winged grail]

I basically never have to look at red unless I glance over before pull, and blue I look at situationally like if im taking dmg, need to taunt or interrupt

avater on cd more than likely so just a quick glance for timer

[real fossil]

Other than 4 of those abilities being fairly high priority

Yes you don’t look at them

You’re not fully understanding the press everything on cd / anger management talent of prot warrior

Your ui will set you up to fail

🤷🏼‍♂️

[winged grail]

i'm thinking I need to walk before I can run so i'm trying to make ss/tc/tb easier to see was the orginal idea

looking down at action bar basically was bad for controlling mobs etc

[real fossil]

That’s not a bad idea! But you’re killing everything else in the process

[winged grail]

but ig I could have just got use to it

[real fossil]

I’d bet money You’ll never properly learn prot with your ui

[winged grail]

ss comes off cd so freq it was tough not tunneling

plus the sb timer was very small with no audio tied to it

[real fossil]

Yeah you gotta bind ss and IP to buttons you like to mash

[winged grail]

I have everything keybinded and ss/ip/sb/tc being the easiest to mash

with ip/ss macro'd together

[toxic jungle]

Hello everyone, have much versitility should I ideally have for 10+ mythic plus?

[untold hornet]

So roughly how shit upon is prot tomorrow with reset? Are we bottom of the barrel or what’s goin on.

[real fossil]

Literally doesn’t matter, try to stack haste

[winged grail]

where did you hear anything that would make you think that?

[toxic jungle]

I'm 619 ilvl rockingn 3%, is that making it hard for me? Feel like I almost get 1 shot somtimes. Or am I just using abilities wrong

[real fossil]

Abilities wrong 👍🏼

[toxic jungle]

Okay, so it's normal to have 3%

[untold hornet]

Just curious mainly since we are 5 target capped, which is a tad concerning since in m+ that’s where we shine. Haven’t done much investigation but I know of that situation

[toxic jungle]

Like I'm not getting 1 shot, but I'm coming close to dying sometimes

[winged grail]

is that a update to cap our stuff to 5 targets?

[turbid shuttle]

if you put 100% of your secondaries in to vers, you'd get at best 20% DR from it, and you'd still be almost getting 1-shot.

[real fossil]

You’re probably losing uptime on sheild block, which needs to be at 100% uptime

[untold hornet]

Supposedly the changes coming tomorrow with prot warrior according to wowhead

[wide wraith]

Wonder how Long it Will be before blizzard comes for prot

[toxic jungle]

That makes sense, Just wanted to make sure. So I need to just work on ability usage, kicks, cc, etc

[real fossil]

Yeah it’s not a gear thing

[turbid shuttle]

basic rotation + understanding incoming damage patterns in dungeon

[toxic jungle]

Are you guys sp[amming ignore pain and dstance in big pulls constatnly?

[untold hornet]

Make a macro to just give you a bigass timer on your screen for your shield block uptime

[winged grail]

share link for this

[toxic jungle]

Like should I hold back on revenge usage

[winged grail]

I gotta figure out what youre seeing

[real fossil]

I’ve never left d stance and neither should you

[toxic jungle]

oh LOL

I'm in battle a lot lmao

makes sense

I only dstance if i think the mod might kill me

[real fossil]

My man go read the guide you got some bigger problems to fix

[toxic jungle]

mob*

[untold hornet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/expected-class-tuning-changes-with-patch-11-0-5-class-writer-opinions-348659?utm_source=discord-webhook it’s part of this conglomerate post

I was unaware of target capping but I guess we are?

[winged grail]

why would you switch to battle?

[toxic jungle]

Just got extra damage if I'm moving fast thru the dung

Not always getting close to dying, just on certain pulls

[untold hornet]

Macro ignore pain to shield slam, only press revenge if you have literally no other buttons to press at all

[winged grail]

oh thunderous roar?

[untold hornet]

Ah, idgaf then

[toxic jungle]

That makes sense, I hit it a lot. Was getting slammed in a +10 recently prob cause of this

[real fossil]

Absolutely do not macro IP onto your SS button what on earth

[untold hornet]

And even when you are capped on ignore pain, in high keys just press it anyways to continue working down your CDR on shield wall

[winged grail]

brother thats a 1.5min cd that isnt even spec'd in M+

prot warrior untouched and still on top imo

[untold hornet]

Sorry other way around

Shield slam into IP

[buoyant lintel]

i think you should start with something like this

[untold hornet]

Shield slam should be its own standalone button, but IP being macrod in is

[toxic jungle]

LOL

[winged grail]

thats ironically how I started

but I was just staring at that ss/tc

and sb timer was up above

[buoyant lintel]

yeah thats normal

[winged grail]

very small

so I couldnt keep a good eye on what I was doing as a character or sb timer

[buoyant lintel]

cover your ui with a piece of paper or a cat or something

it just takes hours

5 is nothing

[winged grail]

yeah I got more time messing with ui than anything sadly, just trying to ingrain sb timer in my head

[untold hornet]

Having shield wall ready in m+ is very important, especially in high keys. Also, don’t forget spell block/reflect, you’ll be stunned how many spells you can just avoid basically

[winged grail]

bc rn I can barley keep track of it

[real fossil]

Ss/tc/rev/sb
sc, demo, avatar, ravager, spear

[toxic jungle]

WAIT

[real fossil]

Just make 2 rows of those buttons

[toxic jungle]

does dstance reduce your damage still?

[real fossil]

No

[toxic jungle]

other than the crit battle gigves you

[winged grail]

youre trolling

and im brand new

[toxic jungle]

was that a thing in dragonflight?

cause i used to tank thenm

just coming back now

I thought it reduced damage by 5-10%

[winged grail]

you need to go through the wowhead guide start to finish rotation and all

lol

[toxic jungle]

dude im crying

[real fossil]

@winged grail this second row you send on cd and should be together, the other ones are rotation buttons

[buoyant lintel]

this

[winged grail]

im not sure the prio of cluttering the rest of those abilities with ss/tc/sb

But I get the general idea of it

[buoyant lintel]

because when you look there you can see all of your cds at once

[real fossil]

It’s not cluttering you hit the button when it’s off cd

All of those spells you press when you can press them

[winged grail]

I think I get what you guys are saying, have those next to it so you dont forget about them kind of thing

[buoyant lintel]

try his set up and then go sit at a training dummy for 15 mins

and press all the buttons as they come up

and you will see

[winged grail]

I had that exact set up last 5 hours or so

I got carried away with this

[real fossil]

The reason you press sheild slam on cd is to generate rage so you can press that 2nd row of spells more

[winged grail]

moving ss/sb/tc up above then messing with the rest after

[real fossil]

You’re really missing the point of the spec here

[winged grail]

ss on cd to get sb timer up no?

[real fossil]

You generate rage to spend rage to press avatar more

[winged grail]

excess rage can just be spent on ip no?

[real fossil]

Yeah

[winged grail]

ig I was just trying to dumb it down to ss/tc/sb-sbtimer - excess rage on ip

until I got the upkeep on sb timer down right

[buoyant lintel]

you have to start there

[real fossil]

Do that and press all buttons on cd

[winged grail]

thats why I put those 4 next to my character

[real fossil]

Some tanks reactively press defensives, that’s not prot war

[winged grail]

bc im moving, dodging stuff, learning routes

[buoyant lintel]

theres multiple minigames going on

[winged grail]

bad gear bad healer

so I was putting cd abilities to the side/not using revenge unless free

I use revenge sometimes to grab better aggro

[frosty mango]

Prot war has a lot of key presses but it’s really not difficult tank to play

[winged grail]

yeah its just overcoming the sb timer

with sht gear and haste

my haste is 11% rn

[frosty mango]

Not as easy as guardian

[winged grail]

ofc not

[real fossil]

Do you play the heavy repercussions talent?

[frosty mango]

Monk is galaxy brain to play

Or at least to play well

[real fossil]

You don’t need any haste

[winged grail]

guardian does almost everything with 3 abilities and heals

[real fossil]

This has nothing to do with fear

Gear

[winged grail]

I played bdk to 74, guardian to 72, then got my warr to 80 this week all from scratch

trying to find best class, warr feels good but sb timer is stressful

[real fossil]

If you play heavy repercussions and hit shield block on cd you always have uptime

[winged grail]

not like braindead scroll mouse for ironfur

I also only focus on M+

[mighty valley]

SB timer is really not stressful with heavy rep, I basically don’t think about it

[frosty mango]

You can keep shield block up basically the entire key with heavy repercussions, if your shield block is falling off you’re not shield slamming enough

[winged grail]

let me look for that

[pastel geyser]

sb timer is stressful?

how lol

[real fossil]

You’re missing the core of the spec go reread the guide

[winged grail]

yes I have heavy rep

[pastel geyser]

i just press shield block when i see its not greyed out as in on cd and the rest i just shield slam and boom 97% uptime

[winged grail]

for me it seems with my haste its almost a perfect play to keep it up

not mentioned the downtime or any akward times inbetween pulls

[pastel geyser]

hm idk even while leveling i didnt have issues in shit gear

[real fossil]

Pressing shield charge on cd helps with that , it does not at all require perfect play

[winged grail]

but im at 11% like I said

[frosty mango]

Your haste really shouldn’t matter though since you have 2 ways to apply
It and he to extend it

[real fossil]

And it’s not a gear thing

[winged grail]

yeah I wasnt doing that so its big

[real fossil]

Yeah because you UI is dog water

And it makes it hard to see to do that

[winged grail]

bc I didnt know the ability did that

[frosty mango]

Shield charge into the pull, shield slam hr will extend, then expend sb charges to maintain

[pastel geyser]

does anyone use shield charge to cc? or just on cd for shield block

[real fossil]

Just download a WA pack

[pastel geyser]

i someitmes send it into the stun immune mob by mistake lol

[frosty mango]

I use it to cc since I don’t need it for sb with a bunch of haste but while gearing I used it almost exclusively to go into large pulls with sb up

[winged grail]

tbh I wouldnt have touched the wa pack if I could have figured out how to add audio to it to begin with

[pastel geyser]

still currently on 8s with my prot, just 608 atm

[winged grail]

still dont quite know how to add a beep or something when tc/ss comes up

[frosty mango]

Rolling into 12-15 mobs with no shield block up is wild

[winged grail]

I got a drum when sb expires

[pastel geyser]

i feel i can prob tank a 10 if im more careful lol

i did an 8 mists at 586

[frosty mango]

You can absolutely tank a 10 at 608

[pastel geyser]

war feels rly tanky

[frosty mango]

I healed a tank in a 8 the other day who was 574

[winged grail]

I miss being able to heal through mistakes like on bdk/druid

[pastel geyser]

problem is i rly need runed crests lol

[winged grail]

war feels like you got to know what youre doing/what they do

[pastel geyser]

but ppl doing 4-7s are dogshit

[winged grail]

and maintaining sb ofc

[pastel geyser]

imo the 8+ should also give the lower crests on top

having to downgrade key lvl to get crests is such a bad mechanic

[frosty mango]

You can trade them down if you want

[pastel geyser]

yea.. sure but

that's wasting the gilded

[frosty mango]

That’s your choice lol

[pastel geyser]

yeh

[frosty mango]

It’s by design so people run mid keys

[real fossil]

You’re basically invincible in low keys if you remember to press SB it’s so forgiving

[winged grail]

yeah and keeping up with spell reflect/block

[pastel geyser]

problem is mid keys people have no idea about mechanics lmao

eh

[real fossil]

Not even

Warriors are the rainiest

Tankiest

[pastel geyser]

rainiest 🌧️

[real fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-full-metal-alchemist-rain-it-is-a-terrible-day-its-not-raining-gif-15277596

^me when prot is forgotten for pally

[pastel geyser]

when is that happening lol

[real fossil]

Could be happening tomorrow we shall see!

[oblique latch]

is the mage tower doable as prot right now?

[modern dew]

Once capped you usually get the lesser crests unless something's changed

[pastel geyser]

yea.. capping 600 gilded crests gonna take a while

[torn gulch]

only 50 timed dungeons kekw

[inner wren]

they gotta make the gilded grind for alts way faster

its brutal rn

[torn gulch]

if you have a farming group you can do them in like 25-ish hours

you can't get the gilded discount until you have the gilded achievement

which means you'll have to have full 639+636 gear

which is not feasible

[inner wren]

ye

and then alts will be perma behind in mythic track gear

unless youre raiding with them

[winged grail]

anyone know of a ip bar rather than what this is?

[copper heath]

just got to 80, about 580ilvl, trying to do m+ like 6-8. new to protection warrior, but not tanking in general

i feel like once i get rage going, i'm nigh unkillable in combat, but start of pull is really rough.

what is the prep for getting rolling? charge -> shield charge -> shield block -> ignore pain -> thunder clap?

[queen elm]

I feel like 580 is fairly low ilvl for 8s, but shield charge puts your shield block up, so you don't need to click it right away

Just within th 7 or 8 seconds it gives you so if you want to rush some other form of defense thats fine to skip

[copper heath]

gotcha, so maybe extra ignore pains initially

[winged grail]

580 is crazy for 6-8's tbh, but good question about opener

[queen elm]

I normally do some form of charge into thunderclap to make sure things stay on me, then shield slam into ignore pain, and use a Cooldown if I know I'm gonna get slapped

[copper heath]

ignore pain is flat absorb right? so there isn't any prep for maximizing each use?

[queen elm]

erp, meant ignore pain after the slam

From there its normal tanking keeping SS and TC on cooldown

I'd rather do shield slam earlier, but y'know how DPS can be

[copper heath]

i do find sometimes i'm sitting lets say at 50% rage, SS, TC on cd, SC, DS, and SW on CD.

looking for buttons to hit, am I hitting revenge here, or just chillin

[queen elm]

Revenge can reset SS

So yeah, as long as you aren't going to run out of rage for the other important things, its a good place to not waste time

[south zealot]

revenge

[copper heath]

revenge happy can rage starve me pretty quick though and then i'm out of ignore pain and i'm heroic leaping for the hills to kite

[south zealot]

ignore pain isnt something u try to keep up

you use it to use excess rage

revenge is used if you cant thunderclap or shield slam

[copper heath]

that is a change in my mentality to be sure. so if I can keep rage under control with revenge (in between SS TC cds) i'm not really pressing ignore pain until i need it for mitigation?

[south zealot]

you press ignore pain to shed your rage

if youre over 70 rage hit ignore pain

youll still press it a TON

its just not something you think about 'keeping up'

[queen elm]

We;re just angy lil guys, fulla rage

[copper heath]

gotcha

yeah and that makes sense, given the stacking nature of the absorb. what does 'keeping ignore pain up" really even mean

[deft mortar]

Bro it's mad that I get these sweat lords in my keys who are annoying as hell about the game, like bro if you are that good go do 15s why u in my 12 key

[queen elm]

Don't we have something that feeds our damagee into our ignore pain anyway

[deft mortar]

BSV but it won't keep it up alone even if you are doing 2M DPS

On a solid pull

[copper heath]

what is bsv?

[deft mortar]

Brutal Vitality

Oh shit no S in there mb

[queen elm]

Yeah course if you are doing 2 mil dps theres probably a whole lotta things slapping you in return xD

[copper heath]

brustal vitality

brutal svitality

[deft mortar]

I mixed it up with Battle Scarred Vetteran

[queen elm]

I yearn for the AFK defensives, how dare they make me get hit in the head and think

[deft mortar]

Yeah me too buddy

The ultimate metric of tankiness is how much hits you can take while AFK

No buttons pressed, you are cooking in the kitchen, some rogue is popping off on you

Or you are DCed in a boss fight

[queen elm]

All the rogues and hunters can just misdirect for threat I will be a pillar in the middle, unshakeable

[copper heath]

you ever find empty globals or does that indicate poor decision making/cd management?

as a side note, I notice there is no maintained wowanalyzer for this spec.

if I take warcraft logs and want to analyze, what are some of the things I shoudl look for? was looking at some better warriors, and CPM seems like a good metric to aim for, but maybe that isn't even a 1 to 1 comparison cuz if I'm not pulling the same pulls, I'm likely not generating the same rage, therefore different CPM

[deft mortar]

Ur uptime on stuff, dps, healing done, and dmg taken are enough metrics no?

Bro I ate raw meat and my stomach hurts now

(side note)

[copper heath]

not necessarily, lets say I get a reset on shield slam and decide to cast 2 revenges, a demo shout, and a thunder clap before casting SS again. that's something i'd want to know

[deft mortar]

Are you looking for smth like Chess gameplay analysis

[south zealot]

empty glboals is a poor play issue

cpm is the best thing u can do

look at average cpm over dungeons

[deft mortar]

Where the ideal move is known and you get a % score

[south zealot]

14-15 shield slam cpm is what u want every key

[deft mortar]

My bad habit: Sometimes as Colossus if I have rage I just spam revenge for max dps

[queen elm]

https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv

[deft mortar]

Even if SS is off cd

[queen elm]

This was shown earlier as a bad thing. Also, makes me giggle

[copper heath]

appreciate that, thanks choco

[copper heath]

holy shit who keybinds stuff to 7, what an absolute mad man

[queen elm]

Hes slammin that ignore pain so hard it's starting to feel it

[deft mortar]

My TC is 1, SB is 2, SS is 3, Exec is 4, IP is 5, Revenge is Q

[queen elm]

I have shield charge at one, beeause I find 1 awkward to click a lot, but easy to find

shield black is on the mouse where my thumb always sits, then its 2-SS 3-TC 4-IgnorePain 5-Revenge

May swap those last two around, not sure

[deft mortar]

I wish I had the same button as 1 person lol

My Shield Charge is Alt-T

[winged grail]

1st craft is shield right?

big gains from 606->619?

also should I even spend the rune on a cloak that gives vers/mast? even if its brand new character and only hero pc

[buoyant lintel]

u should prioritize those greens since you wont have the valorstones for all of it

[winged grail]

yeah I just overlooked my gear, i'll prob save craft for gilded so I don't waste gold

[south zealot]

yes

[winged grail]

was prepping best I could before going to M+

not a terrible start, I have 3 616 slots in great vault tomorrow morning

might as well 619 the cloak ig also even though not haste

wont have to use anything but valors to upgrade next

could take all the greens to 580 for 200 valorstones each but seems like a huge waste

[lusty grotto]

Why would think that

Valorstones aren't hard to farm

[smoky anvil]

tried my first +12

wowee thats a jump

[winged grail]

ye lol

they say its equal to a +15 from last xpac

[smoky anvil]

I get where you're coming from @deft mortar it's nice AF to not have to deal with the weekly affix

[sick current]

Hey guys I am going to start playing prot but I am currently a fury main. I have 2x 636 weapons... can I get a hero track shield and 6/6 with just valor? or is it different for shields

[lusty grotto]

you can

[sick current]

awesome! thanks for the info

[lusty grotto]

if one single 2h is maxed, youre good

[sick current]

awesome

what if I have a 636 shield and 1h, can I use a 2h if I get a myth track or hero track 2h?

and deicde i want to try arms?

[lusty grotto]

no (if both are 636 the discount will work but only up to 636)

it works from 2h to 1h + shield

if you want the discount to work on 2h, you need both 1h and offhand maxed

[sick current]

alright cool

[lusty grotto]

basically 2h = 1h offhand

[sick current]

and it works from 1h + 1h to 1h + shield

[lusty grotto]

it should, technically

[deft mortar]

Ikr it's so relaxing to not have another thing in your mind

[grim grotto]

Is it possible to pull the mists first maze pack from the right side as warri?

[real fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sean-hayes-jack-mcfarland-will-and-grace-ddr-dance-dance-revolution-gif-9639573

[trim hamlet]

for grim batol, is it possible to intervene a party member and spell reflect the corrupt on the mobs before the last boss?

[lusty grotto]

no

[timber viper]

Is meathook our best m+ trink with sacbrood?

I have choice between myth meathook and myth vers/haste ring. I already have sacbrood and mandate

And also hero track avoidance cloak

[deft mortar]

aww bricked my NW12 at first pull

[smoky anvil]

rip

[deft mortar]

The gatekeeper didn't walk in

Despite 3 interrupt on him

[smoky anvil]

my sympathies babe

that 12 I tried tonight was NW, nearly pooped myself on that pull

[deft mortar]

And I didn't pull the mobs into the gatekeeper because I am afraid of midpack being ninja-pulled by Retri's divine storms etc.

[smoky anvil]

was my first time trying it ever

[deft mortar]

2.6M dps on my kekw

[smoky anvil]

strong af

we bricked on second boss

but up to second boss legit felt solid

[deft mortar]

I honestly don't wanna do that pul anymore

Just the first 2 packs is relaxed

[copper heath]

you pulling first 3, or 4?

[deft mortar]

I pull the blight bags + the corpse harvest + the 4 mob first pack + the 3 mob 2nd pack + gatekeeper

And I pop kyrian shield

to the first cast

[copper heath]

yeah that does seem a bit scary

[deft mortar]

I had 2.6M dps on me xD

I did 1.2M hps

Healer did 1.4M hps

Almost had it but

The gatekeeper didn't move in and I didn't pull the packs to him

Because I was afraid of aggroing more mobs

[mighty valley]

it's middle of the pack after the nerf

[grim grotto]

In my first NW +10, 2 days ago, someone linked me that pull with mdt. I answered with a laughing smiley because I thought... Wtf... After I pulled my normal first pull to the gate Keeper, they just pulled the rest. I had the same packs on me. Had to change my pants after, but somehow it worked 😅

[wicked pollen]

this cannot be real right

[deft mortar]

Everyone was very polite

When 12 keys end, and we always agree that it ends, everyone is like "sorry for the key man, thanks for try"

1 wipe will brick it, no point to try more

[deft mortar]

Yeah tbh I will stop doing it

Bricked enough NWs to it

[wicked pollen]

[deft mortar]

I..

Based no rend

LOL

I am about to drop rend too now frfr

[wicked pollen]

that makes bloodsurge

worse

[deft mortar]

I would drop TR as well, and get double bleed talent

[timber viper]

Think its the cloak then

Vers isnt really that helpful yet

[lusty grotto]

cant say im surprised

[mighty valley]

myth ring with haste seems kinda worth, vers is fine, it's stats

[timber viper]

Its high vers low haste

I have two haste crit rings at the moment

Ill see

[grim grotto]

Dawnbreaker first boss, when the rotation beams spawns, I get always a big hit. Like I failed. Is this normal?

[lone hearth]

is there any cds i can pop before inserting key as prot warrior?

[torn flax]

Technically you can pop last stand to get like 5 seconds of it

[grim grotto]

What about rage? Does it reset on start?

[lone hearth]

^

also spell block can be popped too or no?

[lone hearth]

the beams is a tank buster on you even if you dont get hit by beams

you need to pop a defensive or youre gonna go down really low

[lusty grotto]

rally

[lone hearth]

well rally is 10 seconds so that would be pointless no?

[lusty grotto]

i still do it

not like you lose anything

[smoky anvil]

he's making sure the boys are ready, gotta rally the troops

based

[lone hearth]

pep talking the squad

[lusty grotto]

its basically 3 min cds

spell block shouldn't work but

you could try it, im pretty sure it wont reset though

[grim grotto]

But 100 rage and shield block on a turnip will stay after start?

[lusty grotto]

shield block wont

its strictly 3 mins

the cutoff for reset

could be slightly less than, unsure if anything has changed

[lone hearth]

is not taking rend actually a thing

[lusty grotto]

so basically last stand and rally

it is for him

🤷

not gio, the guy that had it i mean

[gloomy cosmos]

No rend tech is cracked

Extreme cook from the bro

[lusty grotto]

absolute garbage cook

[wicked pollen]

wtf is the point of taking bloodsruge

without rend

[lusty grotto]

well it should work with dw

but

i dont know what went through his head when he could have dropped it easily instead

https://tenor.com/view/grover-sesame-street-garbage-oscar-gif-18950169

probably that

[wicked pollen]

proc chance goes from x(.10)^2 to 0.10x

yeah

i think bro

procced bsv on cd

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt doubt it

[wicked pollen]

time to wait for my heroic ansurek kill adn go bedge

[lusty grotto]

best of luck on loot

[gloomy cosmos]

Ur cook is fire 🔥

[grim grotto]

Do u think that def trinket from delve is good? I mean good as... If i want be more tanky, why not? Or is it garbage. Because right now, the absorb on champion is just 700k... It's nothing with 10m hp..

[wicked pollen]

lets see what he says

[gloomy cosmos]

Silken trinket is bis for survivability

[lusty grotto]

do you mean silken chain weaver? if so, yes its technically the best if you can get a hero track

[wicked pollen]

man

[lusty grotto]

even without its stupidly strong

[grim grotto]

Yes I mean that. Just got it on champion

[wicked pollen]

this is just not real

[lusty grotto]

since the attack speed slow is the same for all tracks

[lusty grotto]

[grim grotto]

Oh. Does it really slow. I thought maybe it doesn't work on m+ 😅

[lusty grotto]

it does

and it works on bosses

[wicked pollen]

is there a way to cc fears on details?

[lusty grotto]

and it stacks with rogue/dk/lock attack speed slows

[gloomy cosmos]

Warrior should feel extremely tanky on all content, if you ur not it could be cuz of stats, try getting more haste

[lusty grotto]

the absorb is not the reason its the best

its just a small bonus

[grim grotto]

I get ur point. But since I only do pugs, and weird things happen 24/7 Ive never seen before, I just want to be tanky as hell 🤣

[tulip oar]

Yeah 15% slower attacks coming at you is huge.

Especially when you hit 10+ mobs

[gloomy cosmos]

More haste equals more rage regen, 100% shield block upkeep on m+, and more ignore pain stacking, i wouldnt even bother with delve trinkets, arakara and silken court scarab is by far the best for war

[lusty grotto]

*rage

[tulip oar]

Hell with enough haste Avatar is a 30 second cooldown.

[lusty grotto]

he VDH'd it

*with enough rage consumption

but haste factors in

[grim grotto]

I'm not online, but I think I have round about 15k haste.

[wicked pollen]

wait nim

[lusty grotto]

haste doesnt directly affect Avatar or Wall cds

[wicked pollen]

what is the chance bloodsurge will proc

[lusty grotto]

indirectly, that's rage consumed via AM

[wicked pollen]

10% * 2 ^ x

[lusty grotto]

the only cd that's hastened is SB

[wicked pollen]

where x is targets

[tulip oar]

No, but it helps Gen rage you can dump yo reduce cooldown.

[wicked pollen]

but it cant be 2

[lusty grotto]

absolutely osaliske

[wicked pollen]

because its per individual bleed right

[lusty grotto]

its normalized

[wicked pollen]

???

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt scale per target

bleeding 1 vs 5 vs 20 should yield the same rage gain

[wicked pollen]

XD

thats so dogshit

no fun

[tulip oar]

Also, I did it boys. I plugged my way to all portals.

[lusty grotto]

gz

[tulip oar]

Pugging still sucks though, if you can avoid it. Do avoid it.

[gloomy cosmos]

Gz

[lone current]

Does ignore pain count towards rage spent for all 3 spender talents, indom, anger management and violent outburst ? or was that changed in DF

[wicked pollen]

yes

ip doesnt contribute to am on arms

[tulip oar]

Thanks everyone. Now I go to sleep, and try to forget our dps specs are doomed. Lol

[lusty grotto]

gio, its late, but the chances do increase with target count

the rage gained is normalized though

[wicked pollen]

what does that mean

[lusty grotto]

you dont gain more rage with bigger pulls

[lone current]

Ay that's what it was, yes thanks. Was raiding arms in DF.

[wicked pollen]

thats still dogshit nim

no fun

[lusty grotto]

it just means, more targets = more chances

so i suppose you could say

that its technically more rage

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[lusty grotto]

just not directly

its statistical at that point

[wicked pollen]

im just thinking

0.10^2

per target

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[wicked pollen]

thats for both bleeds to proc

[lusty grotto]

id say that sounds about right

[wicked pollen]

then 0.10 for either or

[lusty grotto]

right

it goes down considerably

so yes youre right that bloodsurge is kind of a weird pick without rend

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/bTank.gif

WHY DONT THINK

[lusty grotto]

hes also losing a lot of fucking bleed damage from Thunderous Words

because no rend LMAO

at that point why even go TW

[wicked pollen]

goes to show that you can play anything

he just picked

what looked cool

because no player doing 15s

would do that shit

[lusty grotto]

they would

[gloomy cosmos]

Cuz they would floperino

[lusty grotto]

but you know how they are up there

[wicked pollen]

no response

he was not happy

[lusty grotto]

maybe hes thinking

LOL

[gloomy cosmos]

Who is that guy? High rio?

[lusty grotto]

cannot compute

windows crashing

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pablo-escobar-pablo-stan-twt-standing-grandpa-gif-15901735077073339091

[wicked pollen]

no

it was an 11

[lusty grotto]

jesus

[grim grotto]

That sounds like something I had few days ago when I just picked the talents I wanted and gave a shit on the rest. I was so tanky.. I didn't even get dmg... Because... I lost aggro at the first second 🤣

[lusty grotto]

i mean an 11 is whatever

[wicked pollen]

he just picked anythign he wanted

for fun

nim

play raid execute in keys

🙂

[lusty grotto]

but honestly why go roar + tw without rend LOL

whats the point

[wicked pollen]

he doesnt know himself

[lusty grotto]

he has 3 dead talents right there

[gloomy cosmos]

11s as war , u can time it with only clicking clap-sb-ignore in a macro

[grim grotto]

Do u guys have a max dps build when u go lower keys / helping friends?

[wicked pollen]

yeah

just colo with double bleed talents

[lusty grotto]

yea i just go colossus

if i had to guess, that guy clearly doesnt know rend is applied by TC

and its like "well im not gonna press rend, so let me drop it, but let me pick the 3 other talents that directly influence rend in both damage and rage gains"

[deft mortar]

can't blame him, i aint readin all that either

[jagged gust]

imagine tab targeting rend like you're a filthy shadow priest

[lusty grotto]

i..

dont know what any of that means lmao

i mean i get the prison colony thing, if youre OCE

wild as fuck though, report him

[toxic pewter]

I’m guessing someone else said he was the best tank

[autumn glen]

😂

[toxic pewter]

Then this dude said opposite

[lusty grotto]

lol

its a mage, who takes them seriously anyway

[toxic pewter]

Area52 my dudes gotta chill

Making my server look bad

Yeah ngl I don’t really respect mages much lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeaaaa.... apb

[autumn glen]

Calling Aussies a prison colony member is more hilarious than an insult to us

[lusty grotto]

about that...

[deft mortar]

nothing a dps says matters

[toxic pewter]

Does area 52 actually have a reputation

[lusty grotto]

yes i think we've been over this

[toxic pewter]

Lol I guess I’m in denial

[lusty grotto]

both a52 and illidan tbh

[lusty grotto]

best way to take it, in stride

[toxic pewter]

When I went to Australia everywhere I went was so safe feeling felt like I was in a prison

It was weird sort of hyprocitwl feeling Lmao

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[toxic pewter]

Hard to explain

[autumn glen]

That wasn;t Australia mate, you went to actual prison

[toxic pewter]

In America here in Texas we walking around with guns and shit

And in Australia they’re like ey mate u wanna Tim tam

Maccas hungry Jack eyo

[lusty grotto]

roflll

is that accurate australian roddy?

[autumn glen]

thats actually pretty good i understand exactly what he said

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

[autumn glen]

He went to two fast food chains and got offered a tim tam

[toxic pewter]

I prefer hungry Jacks myself

[autumn glen]

I'd love to see Hooyahm-Area52 mage bro tank CoT 10

[lusty grotto]

me too

[toxic pewter]

What spec was he

[autumn glen]

frost mage

[lusty grotto]

LOL jesus christ

[toxic pewter]

Sounds about right

[autumn glen]

He died 4 times before the first boss

[toxic pewter]

Just projection

The ones that talk the most crap are the weakest ones

Still don’t understand how mages die so much when they have like 7 defensives

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a stereotypical mage i guess
forgets they have 3-4 defensives ☑️
plays the easiest spec of the 3 ☑️
shit talks tank for no reason ☑️

[autumn glen]

😂

[lusty grotto]

i bet he didnt altered time once in that key

alter*

[sick grotto]

A mage classic. Duality of mage majority are paper, a small portion are unkillable gods.

Funny thing is because he is playing frost he would have double cold snap

[wanton sandal]

Apologies if this is in the faq, but what should I use my enchanted crest (619) on?

[weak snow]

is this acceptable uptime for ip and shield block?

(m+)

[south zealot]

log and check your blocked hits

ignore pain uptime isnt something you care about

[sick grotto]

Depends on your gear but generally people craft bracers and cloak and wack the embellishments on them as they are least stat efficient items

[wanton sandal]

Thank you! My 1h and shield are both 606, can I throw it on one of those or hold out for bracers or cloak?

[lusty grotto]

do shield if its that low

[sick grotto]

I mean you can craft those slots and its a good upgrade, but you cant do thread embellish on those so i would leave them blank.

[lusty grotto]

you can do thread on shield

[sick grotto]

Ahhh there you got once you replace your shield eventually you will have to recraft one however

[lusty grotto]

basically all slots except weapon and accessories (rings + neck)

[wanton sandal]

Interesting interesting I'll see if I can be patient enough to hold onto it but might just whack it on my shield. Appreciate it guys and cool Hoodwink pfp!

[lusty grotto]

dont be patient

just full send it on shield

[sick grotto]

Haha nice timber pic. Bane of hoodwink players

[wanton sandal]

🤭🤭🌳🪚😡

[simple drum]

?

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean "?"

whats your question about what he said

we dont

[simple drum]

So fewer IP is better than more IP?

[lusty grotto]

thats not what he said

he said uptime

[south zealot]

if youre ever having dead globals, yes

[lusty grotto]

not number of casts of IP

[south zealot]

ip being active or not doesnt change whether you hit it or not

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

you hit it based on your rage regardless of if its currently active

[simple drum]

Ahh got it

[sick grotto]

Ip is slotted naturally in your rotation you dont do anything different if you have more less of it

[south zealot]

pressing ip on low rage can mean you cant revenge/execute when you cant thunderclap or shield slam which will lose you rage

[wanton sandal]

So if you have low rage and you're safe, it's better to press execute or revenge to fish for resets on thunderclap/ shield slam to generate more rage?

[lusty grotto]

if you have low rage youre doing something wrnog

[wanton sandal]

I c

[lusty grotto]

you press IP at 70+ rage, regardless of its status

so naturally its "uptime" doesn't matter

[wanton sandal]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

because it'll be high overall if playing correctly

but yes you do cast revenge and execute to get SS resets

that's kind of something that happens

especially if youre unlucky with Bursts of Power and SS resets and/or SS TBs

and/or not in Avatar windows

[grand ingot]

What's the conditions to use execute over revenge in those fishing scenarios?

[south zealot]

low target count

[sick grotto]

Its also different for colossus and thane

I usually execute on 1-2 targets as you will consume more rage which will leave you with less excess rage to spend on ip.

[lone current]

Speaking of colossus, I'd assume the target cap changes in 11.5 aren't enough of a reason to switch the colossus build to spear over roar?

[south zealot]

can sim it

[lusty grotto]

i havent been around but it depends on sims

[south zealot]

8 targets is what i sim for m_+

[copper heath]

how does intervene + spell reflect work? is there a special talent I need to take, or does it work like i expect out of the box?

thinking of stuff like the faceless corruptor in grim batol. he targets someone and begins a cast. I spell reflect and intervene to them. it just works?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

it only works on NW

because of something that should have been fixed

if its working on the corruptors, it will very likely be fixed

and it should only do 1 tick, do you have logs?

[copper heath]

ok i tried it on the corruptors and didn't see shit

so i wondered if i was bad or if there was something more to it

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[copper heath]

no, i'm 80 as of today. doing more learning/experimenting than logging right now

i'll probably log next week once i start doing 8s

i'll give it a try after reset and report back

[rugged wind]

Why do more people use the double shield wall talent?

[jagged gust]

cuz streamers

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt work on corruptors

[zealous goblet]

i glanced over at a build a top keyer was doing recently

[lusty grotto]

you can reflect it, but it never targets the tank

[zealous goblet]

they dropped indominatable for battle scarred

i almost had a stroke

[lusty grotto]

its there in the sheet for dps

[zealous goblet]

no way thats near viable right

[lusty grotto]

intervening will do nothing but give your friend stormshield

which you should be doing

[copper heath]

yeah, for some reason I remember from years long past that intervene spell reflect worked

[lusty grotto]

you cannot intervene + reflect (Blightbone is the only exception)

[copper heath]

i don't think it does anymore

[lusty grotto]

yeah you used to be able to in TBC

i did it for the longest time in arena

on both original TBC and Wrath

unsure if the classic versions kept that up

felt really good intervening + reflect sheeps or clones

[copper heath]

feels bad that they took that out. a lot of skill expression

half the stuff in the spell reflect doc i'll never get to use

[lusty grotto]

they took it out a long long time ago

in fact, they took it out in Cata

but yeah i agree it was excellent skill expression

it is what it is though

[simple drum]

Any loot you guys think could be cool for us in the new raid?:

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/20th-anniversary-event-blackrock-depths-raid-loot

[jagged gust]

I'm hoping Golem Gearbox is good

Heart of roccor seems solid

[grim pilot]

U can deflect the dot?

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah this seems good for long fight right?

[violet ginkgo]

Wait hold… After see those list I notice the items’ stat are Crit/Haste/Vers, no mastery at all. Is this intentional?

I mean sure for us not a big deal but what about the classes who actually want mastery?

[earnest cove]

They can still use the other trinkets in the game

[jagged pier]

mastery wasnt a stat in the game back then

nither was vers but they added vers to a lot of old items

which these have been scled up or made off of

[violet ginkgo]

I mean if they can add vers to old items… what preventing them adding mastery to old items? Laziness I guess?

[jagged pier]

[bold burrow]

Ive noticed that Battle-Scarred Veteran procs sometimes on magic dmg, even though my hp doesnt even come near the proc threshold.
For instance Grim Batol 3rd boss, if I stand in the frontal i first time proc, 2nd time i stand in it even if using nothing but ignore pain, i only drop to 50-60%.
Anyone else noticed it proccing from magic dmg without dropping low?

[strong forum]

It's it already pre-reducing the part that would drop you below 30% hp

But maybe they broke the talent again and it works again pre-mit

I wouldn't know cuz I never played it

Got a log?

[bold burrow]

Ah okay. Yeah it just seems wierd when I test it the 2nd time and I dont drop as low.

[pallid quiver]

Every instance I've seen in logs still works post-mit and it working properly, so I'd be curious to see that log

[bold burrow]

Ill ask group if they logged

[jagged pier]

that would be so funny

proccing at 100% again

[low spindle]

for dawn first boss, i sometimes get 1 shotted, not by the tank buster but by the team though i am not standing at the beam line as it spawn.

probably too close to the boss? cause i swear i am not touching the beam at all, just nicely within the cracks. reckon visual bugs?

[jagged pier]

u as tank always get hit by the first tick of beam

doesnt matter where u stand

[queen elm]

Went to farm sac brood, got this instead, worth a dang?

[prisma echo]

Friends how you handle adds on 2nd boss on necrotic wake especially with adds to take all gro on all mobs. I have taunt, aoe taunt usable and chargestun. How should i do it corectly?

[strong forum]

Get threat on early spawning mobs ASAP, look out for the melee dude, charge the mage and kick it, try to pull onto crossbowman to cleave it down, 2nd mage try to lock down with stuns

Or just get a dk and they grip things in

[prisma echo]

DK is gamechanger on that pull

[queen elm]

Yeah, solving that boss's adds yourself is misery. Some assistance from the group helps alot via interrupts or knock backs or pull ins

The orbs that AoE dmg and interrupt can be useful there though

[low spindle]

isint that this ability and not the beams? cause details says i died to beam

[spark lichen]

it is also a tank buster, guaranteed hit

so you pop a cd for it every time

[queen elm]

It does say she ejects dark energy at her current target and some at the rest, then starts the beams

[low spindle]

i dont think we are suppose to get even a tick of the beam, jsut purely that obsidian blast. i must have lagged or something ,cause details is showing me beam..

[bold burrow]

Dont know if its intentional, but we always take a tick of the beam. Bear tanks are struggling on the boss because of it

[scarlet stone]

idk why you just alternate BS and RotS

[bold burrow]

Dont think RotS is enough on 13 and above?

Anyway, not bear discord:p

[queen elm]

This bit is upfront damage that always hits

Then it has a second half here that does the lines you have to dodge

[scarlet stone]

RotS+Lunar Beam is up for basically all of them.

[vague badge]

which alliance race is aesthetically the best for you?

[lone current]

Use the 25% magic DR from spell reflect for it, the higher your keys get, the more that move trucks. It will should be up for every one

Dawnbreaker first boss^^

[strong forum]

Dwarf

[hardy snow]

Human

[vague badge]

what about gnome?!

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gross-disgust-gif-13789077

[vague badge]

with bullwark of azzinoth

[jagged pier]

if u like gnome play gnome

[lone current]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[waxen shore]

Gnome best

All my characters gnomes

[molten gorge]

Gnome obv the best looking race in the game

Just a shame it doesn't have Dwarf racial

Dwarf fortunately is a close second on aesthetic

[tender spade]

Casually making a prot alt for m+ when my main group is not online.
I was thinking of crafting weapon + shield, but the guides says to do it in low budget slots, is that still true when just going more casually, never gonna get bis weapon/shield

[molten gorge]

Craft if you won't get 639 ever imo

Shield ilvl is giga

[tender spade]

That was my though exactly - Thanks!

[velvet knot]

or be like me and craft 636 shield the same week you get this

rip 90 crests

[molten gorge]

Rip

[tender spade]

Thats just sad

[velvet knot]

is the mythic boe ring any good for us?

[lime mantle]

I am ready to join your gang, I crafted a MH early this week, pray for me (I will make a shield this week) : )

[velvet knot]

it has like what, 4k vers?

[tender reef]

Ahhhhh

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

[velvet knot]

eh its fine

[tender reef]

[lofty veldt]

|| did you drop shield block today? ||

[zinc shale]

Genuine question, is pwarr able to compete with ppal dps in m+?

As an example I'm easily doing 4~5mil on big pulls like the first in dawn on my ppal. On 11/12.

Howeever not sure if im not adjusted to pwarr rotation just yet, or it's just not able to do the same numbers? & instead makes up for it by being a wall.

[winged grail]

where is stragetist? im reading 2pc set bonus rn

just got it

[waxen shore]

I do like 600k overall dps through most keys at 626. Idk how that compares to prot pala. Dont really watch meters during the pulls

[winged grail]

oh nvm I found it and misread it

so basically our set is for more dps, with 2set giving a small dmg reduction

[molten gorge]

Prot Pala is just bonkers rn I believe

[prisma kraken]

if you wanna take battle scarred vet talent, which one do we usually drop (for m+)

[oak ivy]

potential yummy trinket?

[zinc shale]

That's like 300~k less than ppal then. Kinda confirms my dps as prot Warr isn't low then 😄

[zinc shale]

Dps wise yeah... But if you fail to rotate a CD for busters you get busted in a global. Unlike pwarr 😄

[faint maple]

I’m doing 700-900k overall in 10s…

In same 626

[oak ivy]

^

[jagged pier]

doing like 900-1mil at 924 in 10s/11s depending on dungeon

bit less on logs because it always is

[tender reef]

Depends on fast your team is for overall

[crude pumice]

Can anyone confirm? https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1g5j52c/double_dipping_gilded_crests_a_cheeky_way_to_pump/ this works if i craft 1h and just up my shield?

[tender reef]

No

Works on 2hand weapons for fury

[oak ivy]

I crafted 1h + shield 636 and fury weapons are crest-free up to that now

[tender reef]

Yeah but doesn't work on 1h and then "bug" the shield

[crude pumice]

ohhh thats nice il just craft 2h so it works on the two slots thats nice actually

[tender reef]

Or you could try switch spec to fury

Put your 1 hand in offhand

After you switch missive

Wait lemme read it again

Ahh no it's about upgrading yeah

[crude pumice]

yeah it just like tricks the upgrading system u already have a higher thing there

[tender reef]

If you got 636 weapon. Try switching missive go to fury and put in offhand

Should work

Then shield upgrades should be free

Will try today 👍

Then I could up my hero shield all the way

[crude pumice]

il try it for research

[waxen shore]

Maybe i need to try harder to do dam, i been doin 10-11s

Or pull bigger

[jagged pier]

its probably your not pressing buttons

[waxen shore]

Probably this my first season tanking

[lofty veldt]

Or probably not sending violent outburts right?

[waxen shore]

i havent played around the talent at all

just specced into it and forgot about it

[strong forum]

Yeah that'll brick dmg alot

[teal atlas]

question - do you macro ignore pain into shield slam normally?

[blazing condor]

you macro shield slam into ignore pain

since IP is off the gcd you can "snipe" shield slam resets quicker that way

[teal atlas]

oh

so its 2 different buttons still

just trying to wrap my head around prot having so many buttons

[molten gorge]

So many buttons? 😅

[regal yarrow]

it only really needs 6 to get you through all content that offers a reward

[tribal wharf]

true, i come from mario 3 nes days when all you had was A and B and select start d-pad..........

that was enough buttons for me.... 2 and pause, maybe select my special weapon once a level.... rest is just spam attack and jump for most part

[teal atlas]

yeah i mean

heaps of blocks

defensives

mobility

cds

shouts

[molten gorge]

Hmm, I don't think it's many at all personally, but ig depends what class you're coming from

[molten gorge]

This my first time tanking, so I don't have a good comparison tank wise I suppose

[teal atlas]

kinda what i have setup to track

for me that's a lot

[sweet summit]

revenge doesn't have a cooldown why track it like that

[teal atlas]

HUH

huh

[mighty flame]

you can macro few things togather, for example ravager and spear, i have also done spell block with shield block

[tribal wharf]

i get overwhelmed with the controls for xbox 360 call of duty.......... that thing has like, a dozen buttons....
free revenge procs i bet

cuz revenge = chance to refresh shield slam

so it would glow on his UI

and he'd know to use it

[teal atlas]

isn't that bad lol

[sweet summit]

macroing shield block to spell block is prob fine but don't do it the other way

[teal atlas]

you mean spell reflection surely

[mighty flame]

for me it is 😄 i dont like many buttons, so i try to reduce as much i can

[teal atlas]

what if you fight a pack without a caster

or need it for a certain pack

[oak ivy]

you should try being a resto shaman

[sharp gale]

You can mouse click niche ability

[sweet summit]

no

do not click

[strong forum]

[tribal wharf]

ya for me, its the timer this time around thats causing me all the grief, i just dont want to physically and mentally put myself there again for 3rd expansion in a row of pug ksm

4th

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/jonkamala-gif-21967682

Do not click

[sharp gale]

Sorry I mouseclick war buff

[tribal wharf]

been doing ksm pug since bfa, i think its time to stop lmao

[eager phoenix]

Yikes

[oak ivy]

shame on you that shit is S-5 to me

[strong forum]

Mine is T

[tribal wharf]

T= taunt

[oak ivy]

^

[strong forum]

All my class buffs are T

[teal atlas]

like the ss i linked is a lot of buttons right or am i trippin?

[oak ivy]

T is taunt nomeratur ur so wrong lil bro

who let this guy in here

[strong forum]

No that's normal amount if buttons

[sharp gale]

T is health pot for me

[strong forum]

Healthpot is alt+3

[sweet summit]

it's a lot but 90% of the time you press the same 4 buttons anyway

[sharp gale]

X is taunt on all tanks