protection

[winged grail]

oh seeing red tracker

[proud plank]

[jagged gust]

critcakes uses some rotation tracker that displays his last like 5 abilities used, not sure what that one is though

[static gale]

Wait, so in my UI, there are key spells, when they’re grey, they’re on cooldown. Sometimes they get a yellow square highlighting them. Is that the rotation tracker? Is that effectively saying that is the priority cast

[sharp gale]

It’s for stream purposes

[jagged gust]

it's saying something triggered a proc that affects that ability when it becomes highlighted

Like when you get a free revenge

[static gale]

Ah darn

Was hoping I was missing a key piece of info

[winged grail]

how do you make a wa that creates audio?

I feel like if I get wa to tell me when to thunderclap/ss I could get my eyes off action bar

[strong forum]

depends on which pack

[winged grail]

ip/sb/ss/tc on wa audio

would be perfect

[jagged gust]

bro that would spam the everliving fuck out of you

[solemn pumice]

I want

[static gale]

Wait, so there are packages that basically tell you next prio ability to cast?

[winged grail]

I feel like I wouldnt even look at action bars and just use memorized keybinds

if I had those wa audios

[sharp gale]

Avatar = Madness

[jagged gust]

you can take that TTS WA I sent you and change the triggers, but I don't recommend it

[winged grail]

maybe just like a ding or something for ss

[strong forum]

well my WA pack makes TB and SS glow under certain conditions or turn TC red

[winged grail]

on my healer main I had lightening, shotgun blast, everything for everything lol

[strong forum]

you can do all sorts of things

[jagged gust]

Nomer's package is indeed goated

[alpine adder]

link

[winged grail]

I tunnel on the visual

I need audio I think

[strong forum]

try to get comfortable with the rotation first

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek

this is my WA pack

[winged grail]

thats a good one but having audio when your sb falls off would be great

not just when cap

[strong forum]

you can add sounds under conditions or under action tab

[jagged gust]

play with those two tabs and try some things out for yourself

[static gale]

You have one for fury by chance?

[strong forum]

an outdated one but i do

[winged grail]

so just make a few copies of that wa? and change the spell

[strong forum]

or well i do have one but not uploaded

i can upload rq

[jagged gust]

shoutout to nomer's Arms package that's gone untouched by me since DF lol

[pallid quiver]

Nome having one for fury at all, that's wild

[strong forum]

i made one for tindral mythic

and well

now needed for rashananokn and broodtwister

[static gale]

Well, I’ve been looking for a prot one anyways, so this is huge

[winged grail]

I feel like If i used that id want to hide the action bars

but probably would be overall better to do so

[jagged gust]

I like Dreadnug's Fury WA, it just yells at me a lot

[winged grail]

I feel like all the great players I watch have everything audio and almost all audio in game turned off

[jagged gust]

It's part of the learning process, once the keybinds are muscle memory you don't need an action bar

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/216RdH6Xs

[toxic pewter]

im having to go fury warr for mythic broodtwister and ngl Ive never raided as fury lol

[strong forum]

its very braindead

[toxic pewter]

i guess i just spin around a lot

ok

[winged grail]

should I just hide action bars and pick up the full wa?

[toxic pewter]

i guess i gotta whirlwind every 4 globals or some crap

[winged grail]

maybe add some audio also

[jagged gust]

AM buff next week, you timed it perfectly apb

[toxic pewter]

o rly

nice

[brittle owl]

you play enough of the game and at some point all the audio gets stale

music gets stale

[toxic pewter]

but wait isnt roar and odyn fury nerfed

[winged grail]

I alrdy have all audio turned off bc of my main's wa

was follower rank 1 of my class

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[toxic pewter]

ok

[brittle owl]

and all the effects sound, esp later into an expac when stats like haste become abundant, gets super annoying

[jagged gust]

do you have your abilities memorized to the point you don't have to think about what keys to press for all 30ish keybinds?

[winged grail]

the wa's will show the abilities still wont it? I feel like I now have the keybinds memorized

esp the core ss/thunderclap/ip/sb

and all mobility spells

and my defense spells are all right next to each other on keyboard

[jagged gust]

it'll track abilities yes, I do believe you can enable keybinds to display on WAs but I don't actually recall so I might be talking out my ass rn

[winged grail]

I got keybinds memorized

if I can see spells

maybe I hide action bars and try

go do a delve or something

[jagged gust]

id definitely give nomer's WA a run then, the colour coding is actually amazing

[winged grail]

yeah it showed a lot of execute and things like that I wasnt using in the beginning so it seemed overwhelming

but I think im rdy to try it now

[jagged gust]

remember you can change the order of appearance if anything is too odd for you

[queen elm]

Hey just reading into prot a bit and wondering what tells me when shield block uptime is no longer an issue for thee heavy repercussions swap to into the fray?

[strong forum]

when you got shitton of haste you can swap to ITF

[queen elm]

Shit ton! Okay, is there a quick number amount to start considering it at?

[sharp epoch]

Anything change with the patch tomorrow?

[winged grail]

seems like when I disable action bars on elvui it takes away my keybinds, how do I hide them?

[queen elm]

I have 15k haste aka 28% atm

[sharp epoch]

You can set action bars to mouse over in elvui

[winged grail]

hmm im trying to hide completely

and use wa's

[inner wren]

not enough

[jagged gust]

45% before itf

unless you're raiding

[toxic pewter]

we getting a sweet new icon

[queen elm]

Woof! Okay, thank you all so much! I appreciate the help a ton

[pallid quiver]

it's traditionally been 40% before buffs, i should mention

[sharp epoch]

Big damage increase

[pallid quiver]

You can likely get away with lower in like, Dawnbreaker since you're not running into blockable things as often

[jagged gust]

didn't we kinda up the number because of the ITF nerf?

[pallid quiver]

Nah, it was always 40% before since you assume no ITF stacks for the uptime, since you won't always have stacks

is the spitball, since as I mentioned, dungeons can make it vary

[queen elm]

Yeah, I had previously misunderstood what I had been told and have been running ITF, which has definitely resulted in my get Walloped

[jagged gust]

Oh also the haste affix does wonders, that feels like a locked in ITF week

[pallid quiver]

People have shown logs with fine amount of blocked hits in Dawnbreaker with only like 35% haste, so it's not really a clear cut "Easy swap here"

[pallid quiver]

this also can mess with it as well, yes

[alpine adder]

I cant seem to break past 34% haste no matter what I do

[jagged gust]

Well it's S1, only so many stats to go around

[pallid quiver]

Realistically, there's not really a point in S1 where you can reliably rock ITF

Stats just aren't quite high enough yet

By S3, it's almost guaranteed to casual rock ITF in all content as long as you have haste on your gear

[alpine adder]

lol okay that makes sense, I was like you people have 45% haste? 👀

[queen elm]

How safe is intimidating shout to use in M+ btw? Just looking at the builds and I usually struggle to find spaces for fears as cc

[sweet summit]

very safe

[mighty valley]

it breaks basically instantly

unless your whole team somehow falls asleep simultaneously

[queen elm]

Oh ! So it is primarily an additional AoE stop?

[jagged gust]

exactly

[strong forum]

why do people keep raising the haste level

[queen elm]

Awesome! Another thanks then

[pallid quiver]

Downsides are that it's target capped, tho

[strong forum]

its 35% not 45%

[topaz pine]

is there any chance dracthyr prot warrior is better than dwarf?

[pallid quiver]

yeah i was wondering about that

L:ast I had seen and heard was 35-40

[strong forum]

nop

around 35% haste is when ITF becomes extremely good

[pallid quiver]

So I go by 40 just so people don't run into any issues with it whatsoever

[chilly brook]

I'll be going dracthyr warrior because I like soar

[queen elm]

Cooler maybe! But removing Debuffs op

[jagged gust]

Bro I was saying 35% at the start of season, then everyone started correcting me to 40%, then people started correcting me again! idk man 😦

[strong forum]

before that you will experience annoying gaps in SB uptime

[chilly brook]

you'll be going dracthyr warrior because you want stat racials, we are not the same

[mighty valley]

the number will go up by 5% every time someone complains

[sweet summit]

35% before itf (including consumables and talents)?

[strong forum]

ye

[sweet summit]

epic

[pallid quiver]

I'd go drac warrior because dwagon if it wasn't for dwagon mog being limited and me being invested in my char as a char

[sweet summit]

i think i can get that

[chilly brook]

You can get that

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's possible this season, but a little tight

[chilly brook]

you don't have to be in dragon form

ever basically

[pallid quiver]

but why the fuck

[chilly brook]

Outside of soar

[pallid quiver]

would i not be in dwagon form

I'm in it for being the dwagon

[chilly brook]

because visage form is cool

[jagged gust]

fuck being a dragon, I just want the zoomies

[chilly brook]

Also double jump glide

[toxic pewter]

still think them keeping double jump racial and gliding around for a race is a bit inappropriate for some reason

[chilly brook]

don't care if it's nerfed

[chilly brook]

I think the outcry to nerf it was silly

[toxic pewter]

I think the nerf was warranted

[sweet summit]

holy hell goodbye hr

[chilly brook]

It wouldn't have been better than a lot of races for a lot of classes even with it

[toxic pewter]

i think they should of removed it

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

just feels wrong to me

will have to think about why more I guess

[inland raft]

Dragons shouldnt be able to fly

[strong forum]

chinese dragons when

[toxic pewter]

I guess I consider the basic maneuverability of the game and how such changes can actually become imbalanced

[chilly brook]

I mean I know a lot of people were like "oh no the race will be faster than other races I will have to play it"

But like

How impactful is that actually?

[inland raft]

That ship began to sail when they made classes with increased maneuverability

[chilly brook]

Almost never unless it's a fight like Painsmith tbh

M+ you're limited by how fast packs die not how fast you move

[inland raft]

I had a hard time playing anything besides dh for a long time because honestly movement in the game feels dated after coming from them

[inner wren]

necessary? nope. feel good to run faster than a wheelchair priest? yep

[chilly brook]

I mean that's basically it

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/gQ9tHyS.png

hm i can also get there

but i lose so much crit

[inner wren]

i can get to the great vault from the bank entrance faster than you as dracthyr thats all that matters

[chilly brook]

It's the same weird thing when they nerfed soar for evokers at the beginning of DF because "they didn't want unfair advantage for collectors"

[inland raft]

Honestly i think am update to normal movement for all races/classes would be nice just an update to the most basic element of game which is moving from a to b

[strong forum]

so fucking dumb

[queen elm]

The inertia break on the wings is probably more impactful than the move speed

[chilly brook]

real

[queen elm]

Ignore queen mechanics ftw

[chilly brook]

It's the same energy as the glide nerf for any non evoker dracthyr tbh. For some reason so many weirdos that play this game were flipping out about how insane the movement was lmao

[queen elm]

Or, as others like to call it. Make your raid leader rage when you fuck it up and splatter

[chilly brook]

inertia break on pull in is big

[queen elm]

But it is also hilarious when you time it wrong, and either get smashed, or gain a trillion move speed and zoom across the arena

[chilly brook]

I try to bank a dash on monk now by pre-rolling before the pull so I can just double tap and dash

[winged grail]

how are you guys tracking ip shield?

[chilly brook]

Brother, the getting zoomed around thing is balls and needs to get fixed

Pressed WDP last night on rashanan and got launched

[queen elm]

It is aweful, but fun

[chilly brook]

so stupid

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[winged grail]

lol

[molten gorge]

lmao

[chilly brook]

I mean like most WA's do

[winged grail]

ig im overstressing myself trying to always maintain it

[chilly brook]

but its entirely superfluous

[winged grail]

bc Ik healer isnt healing me

[strong forum]

thats how i track IP

[chilly brook]

You can just remove IP from your mind

[molten gorge]

I mean

[winged grail]

feel like I die if thats the case

with my healers

[chilly brook]

It's just a button you press when you need to dump rage

[winged grail]

but ill try it out

[molten gorge]

you definitely need to cast it, but if you don't need

ya

[chilly brook]

Yeah you gotta cast it

but it's not worth worrying over

[molten gorge]

it doesn't matter what it is

it could be anything

[chilly brook]

Have lots of rage? Press IP

Simple as

[winged grail]

so focus on sb, dump rage on ip

[molten gorge]

"rage dump button"

[winged grail]

and heal with IV on 25sec cd

ig I get more hp from spending rage

[queen elm]

yeah, revenge can just be set aside if you're nervous

and IP more

[strong forum]

no

oversending IP will get you killed

[chilly brook]

Feels like it's set aside most of the time to begin with as Thane

[winged grail]

are you the wa creator?

using yours rn I believe

[chilly brook]

Sometimes no globals to press revenge

[strong forum]

i am nomeratur

[queen elm]

Oversending IP? As in not saving the rage for shield blocks?

[strong forum]

or revenges

[winged grail]

the only wa ive ever installed where I cant select the first tab and increase size of everything/move everything at once. Im going 1 by 1 now to fix it where I want it lol

ty for wa though

[strong forum]

you treat revenge as your SS reset tool in the event of not getting TC or SS resets

[winged grail]

that only does one section for me

for some god awful reason

[strong forum]

you need to select the entire group

not an undersection

[queen elm]

Sorry, still a bit new to Prot warrior, the shortenings can catch me. SS is shield slam, but TC?

[strong forum]

thunder clap

[queen elm]

Ah, of course, thank you!

[winged grail]

I dont even have the groups shown

just the main one

and its that top section only

[strong forum]

hm

[winged grail]

I just went and did everything manually

[strong forum]

ig

[winged grail]

but I got it now

is this normal where you cant adjust the spell reflect position or size? or am I missing something

only thing I couldnt figure out

[strong forum]

that group is empty

[winged grail]

whats its purpose

[strong forum]

it used to store the spell reflect amount tracker but that one stopped working

didnt put a new on in there

[winged grail]

slacking

XD

ill delete it

[strong forum]

isnt hugely important

[winged grail]

I struggle with it tbh but ill gut it from someone elses

[queen elm]

Okay, so revenge is the better reset for that which makes sense since lower rage cost. People have been telling me some real get me killed junk...

[strong forum]

prio remains SS > TC > Revenge

but you wanna keep it in mind to actually use revenge to keep SS resets going

sitting on dead GCDs is what kills you

[winged grail]

so when do you ip?

[strong forum]

https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv

doing this

is what gets you killed

4 full seconds

of NOTHING being pressed cuz no attention is being paid

[chilly brook]

Something like 60+ rage or so

[inland raft]

you mean actually press buttons with 1 and a half brain cell instead of one brain cell?

[chilly brook]

but it's also very dependent on inside CDs or no

[inland raft]

zug zug

i cant

[winged grail]

whats the reason behind as a rage dump

[chilly brook]

And what procs you have

[winged grail]

rather than using all times

[chilly brook]

It's off the GCD

And all the time is just bad

[mighty valley]

we dump rage all the time so it works out

[queen elm]

Okay! is the macro for ignore pain that casts shield slam instead if it comes up still a good choice to have then?

[winged grail]

like prepping for a big pull like nw first pull with lust

[chilly brook]

If you have the rage to revenge it's a more efficient use of rage

[winged grail]

you dont ip until rage dump?

[chilly brook]

while not being at risk of capping

[winged grail]

which would be like once you gather everything and start building rage

[queen elm]

This thing I mean

[rough egret]

Swap them

[mighty valley]

it's not "instead of" - it'll cast both IP and SS at the same time

[inland raft]

ip first so it can dump rage before building it with slam

[chilly brook]

You could, it doesn't matter much but like I'd send things like shield charge early as well as hitting my other builders so I'm going to be getting a lot of rage to begin with before it's all properly grouped

[winged grail]

wouldnt that be bad bc your spamming ip?

that macro

[chilly brook]

no

[mighty valley]

this is your IP button

not your SS button

[chilly brook]

it replaces your IP bind

not Shield slam

[winged grail]

ahh

thats nice

[queen elm]

.< So I had it built right the first time!

I'll adjust it thank you

[mighty valley]

it just catches SS resets that you might've otherwise missed

[rough egret]

But put IP above SS

[chilly brook]

since shield slam resets can happen back to back

which means it's possible to munch one

[queen elm]

Fixed

[chilly brook]

so pressing SS as soon as it's up is beneficial

[jagged gust]

Well not a big deal with the showtooltip

[wicked pollen]

is this a certain streamre playing prot 🙂

[winged grail]

oh bc its off the gcd

I get it now

cant bind 2 things on gcd

[mighty valley]

yeah

[winged grail]

unless its a squence or something?

[mighty valley]

which is also why you're not really "waiting" to press IP

[winged grail]

I feel like thunderclap and ss could be one button

with ss being prio

idk

[wicked pollen]

you dont need the ip in the #showtooltip because it defaults to the first spell

[chilly brook]

Doesn't work like that

Can't do priority macros

and cast sequence wouldn't work either

[queen elm]

Yeah I just didn't bother ridding the macro of it as I understand it basically dones't matter and I had them backwards before so I 'needed' it then

[winged grail]

interesting

I thought dps could have like there entire rotation in one macro

[chilly brook]

no

[wicked pollen]

no

[mighty valley]

once upon a time

[winged grail]

ahh

Im returning from wotlk

[wicked pollen]

maybe if you are playing frost mage in classic

[jagged gust]

as long as you understand why, it's all good either way

[winged grail]

so prob old school thing

[queen elm]

Yeah, Blizz got rid of that.

[winged grail]

damn

[chilly brook]

besides

rotations are dead

[strong forum]

nah i just had to check

[chilly brook]

it's all a priority system now

[wicked pollen]

best part of the gif imo is that if he is playing thane he could just avatar and keeping playing the game instead of stroking his shit afk

[strong forum]

🙂

[wicked pollen]

i wonder how much haste ill need to play itf and execute without thinking

[strong forum]

all of it

if you want to play without ED you need 100% haste before you have clean uptime

[wicked pollen]

[queen elm]

IP does have a chance to reset shield slam, right? Just revenge is cheaper at it, or am I still missing something in there?

[jagged gust]

no

IP is simply a rage dump that gives you a half absorb

[timid solstice]

any tips / free knowledge here pls ?

[queen elm]

I see, thank you.

[sweet summit]

give me a log and i will scout

[wicked pollen]

is it possible to get 100% with hr and execute, i think if i dropped melee

i started crying

[winged grail]

I was late night reading and saw something where something gives a no rage cost of revenge

cant find it now

[wicked pollen]

passive i think

[winged grail]

ah ok

so always cast your free revenge in rotation then

[wicked pollen]

no

[queen elm]

Oh sorry that bits base revenge

[wicked pollen]

revenge is cosmetic

if you have ss tc

its infinitely better to press it

[south zealot]

free revenge doesnt change your rotation at all

[winged grail]

I thought I just read something where it was extremely important for ss resets

[wicked pollen]

yeah but pressing tc and ss

[winged grail]

oh yeah tc/ss>free revenge

I got it

[timid solstice]

aight a sec pls

lemme upload

[wicked pollen]

tc also resets ss

[winged grail]

so ss first

always

damn a macro with ss prio would be great

ohwell

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, free revenge just exists

Sometimes it'd be nice if it always costed rage, but

[south zealot]

dont overcap stacks of shield slam or thunderblast>ss>thunderblast>thunderclap>revenge

[wicked pollen]

not pssible

[sweet summit]

/cancelaura Revenge!

[wicked pollen]

choco everytime i see your pfp

it looks like an eagle

[south zealot]

yeah my friend says that lol

[frosty mango]

Sometimes I don’t press revenge for like 30+ seconds

[winged grail]

yeah see now im tunneling on SS

why is it such a minigame with ss lol

[ocean reef]

thank you for this macro Erga I will use it and become crazy strong prot warrior gamer

[winged grail]

ig overtime can be brainless

[ocean reef]

[south zealot]

should be using more for deep wounds in aoe

[wicked pollen]

hi banezi

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1289177846450753656.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[wicked pollen]

https://tenor.com/k8N0zqgKf2t.gif

[frosty mango]

And it feels kinda wrong smashing ss and tc ignoring revenge then I look over and I’m outdpsing all the dps and I feel better

[winged grail]

what is this O_O

[south zealot]

meme u dont need it

[wicked pollen]

the buff

is called Revenge!

[sweet summit]

it's meant as a joke idk if it is optimal sometimes but it is what it is

[winged grail]

so you guys are just spamming ss as like 50% of rotation

[sharp gale]

@strong forum shush

[timid solstice]

Necro 12:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fm19tH4jMFApLKJn#fight=last

Dawn 13:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/92BX7pMFDd8HPkRq#fight=last

[south zealot]

it might be possibly optimal if you would overcap rage not using revenge as a rage spender

[winged grail]

ss everytime its up, tc into ss everytime its up

[inland raft]

nah because can always ip and revenge at same time if reallyneed to spend the rage right then and there

[strong forum]

[south zealot]

assuming ip is on its icd

[sweet summit]

dms or here?

[frosty mango]

Yea but during lust ape pulls half the time you got like 400 slams in a row

[south zealot]

and u have ravager down and bloodsurge ticking

[frosty mango]

Just slam/blast all day

[south zealot]

true but its still worth to press revenge to keep up deep wounds in aoe

[dense spade]

Hi, does anyone have weakauras for Shield Block and Ignore Pain they could share? Anything I find on Wago.io doesnt seem to work for me

[frosty mango]

I’m too stupid for that level of meta gaming

[sweet summit]

i don't have enough keybinds for that ggykw

[winged grail]

you guys ever wait to tc if ss is like on 1sec cd?

is that a good thing to do

[south zealot]

no

dont have downtime

[wicked pollen]

you never want to have a dead global

[sharp gale]

did you logged that i don't know how i got os

[wicked pollen]

everytime i dont cast something

im punching the air

[winged grail]

so if tc/ss is dead

what are you doing

[wicked pollen]

revenge

[sharp gale]

if you can send in pm

[south zealot]

yeah no shot im ever binding cancelaura revenge

[wicked pollen]

without ip

[south zealot]

revenge/execute

if you dont have rage you messed up

[winged grail]

I need to bind execute

[wicked pollen]

?

xd

[south zealot]

execute owns do that immediately

[wicked pollen]

execute owns so much

that i only play execute

[winged grail]

yeah its good in boss fight

[wicked pollen]

[timid solstice]

w/e u feel you're cool with

[winged grail]

I just know the moment my ip falls off

I take dmg

[rough egret]

Whats prio has execute in ST?

[winged grail]

and healer doesnt heal me

and 25sec cd on iv

so ive been ignoring execute/revenge

[wicked pollen]

are you dropping sb

i swear my hp doesnt move

[winged grail]

not dropping sb

[wicked pollen]

when i have sb

[strong forum]

you didnt get 1shot, you got clapped by patchwerk soldiers shuffling behind you, also they just slap hard

[south zealot]

u take damage while ip is up

[winged grail]

just not using magic defenses

properly

[south zealot]

just 50% less

ip isnt something you try to keep up

[winged grail]

thats like

90% of me playing

until today

coming to discord

[wicked pollen]

well now you know

[winged grail]

sad

[wicked pollen]

time to practice

[winged grail]

I have to get good

at using magic reflect

bc I swear sb doesnt help me that much

[strong forum]

just clapped

that pull aint easy

its easily the hardest pull in the game

[south zealot]

could remove 3 of the soldiers for the boss

[winged grail]

nw first big pull

[sharp gale]

i know it's patchwerk jumping around, i don't like gatekeeper pull, but went smooth in 10before you came it's your fault i guess

[strong forum]

myeh sorry shoulda done more dps sorry

[sharp gale]

x) my brain went off when i got boneflayed/necrobolted to death before this one

[winged grail]

hmm thoughts on tieing sb to ip?

bad bc need to time sb

[strong forum]

what do you need to time about SB

[jagged gust]

I wish more people would

[winged grail]

when it falls off which is pretty consistently?

[tulip oar]

I did the mega first pull in NW without the gatekeeper. It certain is spooky when your entire screen is pretty much nothing but name plates. Thankfully the boomkin popped off at 10 mil dps.

[winged grail]

if you dont hit it often

whats max sb time you can get?

in a good rota

[strong forum]

3x base duration

[jagged gust]

3x base duration

bolster ignores this cap

[winged grail]

base is what 8sec?

[jagged gust]

6

[winged grail]

so 18secs

[jagged gust]

so 18

[strong forum]

6 sec is base, 8sec with ED talented

[winged grail]

and its on 15sec cd right

[sharp gale]

as tank it's not the gatekeeper itself that is spooky

[strong forum]

16sec CD but hasted

so closer to 11 in reality

[winged grail]

mine says 14sec so im low haste

[jagged gust]

Like as long as you're prioritizing SS, and don't let SB cap, you should never have it drop

(which is why I made that TTS WA)

[toxic pewter]

make ED and Massacre BASELINE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[winged grail]

so it drops naturally every 18seconds

and thats when you hit it

[tulip oar]

I know, but the gatekeeper makes the healer stress something awful. I try and avoid that.

[winged grail]

oh you just hit it when it caps

mid fight

with the audio

[jagged gust]

yeah because with HR every SS increases your SB timer by 1 sec

[winged grail]

yeah im ilvl580 with 11% haste rn

thats prob whats tough low haste

but yeah ill try that ty

[inland raft]

ya prot feels pretty rough until get higher haste

[jagged gust]

So as long as you're not sitting on 2 charges for 10 seconds, it will never drop in combat

[tulip oar]

When you hit 25% haste something changes and you ascend. Lol

[winged grail]

unlucky pieces giving no haste

[gritty eagle]

any items from the new raid looking good? im guessing trinkets would be the only potential thing due to only hero track

[winged grail]

I did get a set pc from raid last night though so cant complain

[inland raft]

but with hr its easy to keep block up just feelsl ike your swimming through cold molassas

[winged grail]

oof both rings no haste

thats my problem

[jagged gust]

there's 1 trinket, the stacking str one that looks great, possibly the fire turrent trinket as well but no clue how that's gonna sim

[winged grail]

you guys dont start with thunderclap to grab aggro

you guys start with ss?

feel like I got some untamed dps

theyre unloading on first mob while im moving to next to group 3

[jagged gust]

there are so many ways to pull and it changes based on your CDs

[winged grail]

taking aggro from me

does one thunderclap typically do it while you gather?

[jagged gust]

SC, Avatar TB will make mobs stick to you like glue

[winged grail]

im doing delves and stuff with casuals so theyre just unloading every chance they get it

[inland raft]

if dps are playing right they wont start until mobs are grouped

[gritty eagle]

@jagged gust ah y, im guessing the stacking str one would be annoying in m+ tho, since you might drop the staks in certain parts of the dungeon

[winged grail]

I'll prob have to get like +8 before I get dps with brains

[inland raft]

spoiler, dps never grow brains

even into 12+

[winged grail]

so what do we do with intial aggro

pop a tc and pray

I feel like im throwing a early revenge to grab aggro

getting hit pretty hard at first

[inland raft]

play the game and be ready to adjust pull if an idiot pulls aggro, or just let them die up to you

[winged grail]

real

[sharp gale]

i charge SS/SB, Avatar/Thunderblast, DemoShout, Spear, Ravager, SC

[wicked pollen]

no you equip it and never think about it again

[gritty eagle]

@wicked pollen not annoying that sense, rather that it might not end up that good in m+ because of it

[wicked pollen]

how

its just str

no questions

[jagged gust]

probably because we don't know how the buff will degrade when out of combat

[gritty eagle]

what do you mean? i read the trinket as you get stacks that drop after 15 sec, if you drop the stacks between certain pulls the trinket will obv loose value

[jagged gust]

15 seconds is a long time

[gritty eagle]

y might end up good, i dunno

[jagged gust]

A good sidegrade to the ritual knife

[winged grail]

how do i get this to trigger again when sb expires?

[proper flicker]

for SV first pull, do you guys use 2x shield wall + last stand? just wondering how gnarly it tends to be as keys get higher

[inland raft]

What damage? Wall on pull after that dont feel like does anything

[heavy sparrow]

dumb ass question here:

how can I get my UI to show numbers again

[sweet summit]

Necrotic Wake
1 - crit gem is so cosmetic and it doesn't even look good, speed gem owns
2 - 90% blocked hits in NW is not bad but could be better. (i don't know full lore on ITF blocked hits since i've been running HR)
3 - you barely wasted rage, good job
4 - looking at your death, you did get spell block off cooldown ~3 seconds before you died to necrotic bolt but those should not go off in the first place so wcyd

Dawnbreaker
1 - you only blocked 2 out of 45 umbral rush casts (spell block) kinda same with darkblade
2 - you could rotate defensives a bit better on obsidian beam. you have 3 hits where you used nothing and the 2nd hit you used both sac and bsv (use one at a time ideally)
3 - 95% blocked hits is good. you wasted 0 rage which is perfect!!
4 - i'm not gonna check what happened but paladin died to tank hit on 2nd boss lol get owned

i don't really have a lot else to say. you're doing great!

[winged grail]

found a weak aura that makes a BAM sound every time you take a hit without sb up LOL

[jagged gust]

I think you'd have to change it from spell to aura, and set trigger when aura = false but I haven't played around with triggers too much myself to say for sure, maybe zhai could help you in https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/365419450054344704

[winged grail]

I think im just going to hear bam until its ingrained into my mind

[lofty veldt]

i made it so my spellblock cd flashes when there's less than 2 seconds left

helps me a bit

[winged grail]

oh nice

can I have that import

[lofty veldt]

it's pretty easy in nomeratur's wa just choose the spellblock cd wa

make it trigger when duration is 2>=

[inland raft]

i dont need it but i made one long ago for a friend that just says "idiot" if block has less then 1.5 seconds while in combat

[lofty veldt]

i think that's how it worked for me

and choose glow 1

c:

[winged grail]

XD

[alpine adder]

you're saying Elusive Blasphemite > Culminating Blasphemite?

[sweet summit]

idk the names of them but probably yeah

0.6% crit damage is not real

stop that

12% movespeed is very real

idk if it's 12 i made that up but it's something

[alpine adder]

its like 8 but yeah

all I ever needed was one person to tell me to take movement speed

[inland raft]

8 to 10 depending if you use stam gem or not which i dont

[sweet summit]

🫡

DO NOT USE STAM GEM

[alpine adder]

but stam

[sweet summit]

:reallymad:

mods we need reallymad emote

[winged grail]

aw the audio part doesnt work on the wa anymore :*(

no more bam

[inland raft]

honestly i only get 6 because i dont even use mastery one i just did haste crit, vers haste, crit haste

[alpine adder]

arent there only 5 gems?

[inland raft]

yes 5 gem colors

[alpine adder]

what do you use instead of stam just another emerald

[inland raft]

one for each stat

[south zealot]

yes

[alpine adder]

ill use stam for 2% more movement speed 😆

[south zealot]

stam gem is beans

[sweet summit]

you use one emerald, one ruby, one sapphire, one onyx, and then fill rest with emeralds

DO NOT USE AMBER

I WILL HUNT YOU IN GAME

[alpine adder]

lol

[inland raft]

brb swapping to all stam

[alpine adder]

how am I ever going to hit 10.3m health with that attitude

[south zealot]

a bdk in s2 dragonflight had all stam vers gems

what a guy

[inland raft]

only the pure stam gem

[sweet summit]

gamer

[inland raft]

i assume there is one

[sweet summit]

there is one...

it's like 5 gold

[winged grail]

whats this for? something activates when using all kinds?

[alpine adder]

yeah the special gem

[sweet summit]

for the blasphemite

[winged grail]

not sure what youre referring to

[jagged gust]

I went all stam gems/enchants for a day in S2 because I wanted to break 1mil hp unbuffed

[winged grail]

a special socket?

[jagged gust]

[sweet summit]

special gem

[winged grail]

hmm

[alpine adder]

brb taking fast footwork

[winged grail]

so you guys have 5 sockets?

[sweet summit]

you get 6 for "free"

by buying the setting from AH

and getting 2 in neck and 2 in each ring

2+2+2=6

[winged grail]

ah

how much gold is that

[sweet summit]

they're like 8k or something

[winged grail]

ea?

[sweet summit]

ye

[winged grail]

oof

[sweet summit]

ye

[inland raft]

ye a bit pricey so only use on things will keep a while

[winged grail]

can you remove gems?

[kind glen]

4400g rn

[inland raft]

unless you rich mon

[kind glen]

on A52

[winged grail]

or sockets

and use on next pc

[sweet summit]

are they onmly 5k now?!

[kind glen]

One time use

[sweet summit]

what the heck

or is that NA

[kind glen]

NA

[winged grail]

gems also one time use?

[sweet summit]

ssibal!!!!

[winged grail]

gd

[sweet summit]

yes

[winged grail]

might do it with hero gear ig, but ideally for myth

def not doing this champion gear

[jagged gust]

bro the entire AH plummeted this/last week, even ore prices dropped by up to 50%

[kind glen]

Shoulda sold ore and herbs for 3 weeks lol.

Was super passive way to gte lots of gold

[sharp gale]

this screenshot is EU

[winged grail]

the people who flip AH are getting bored

[jagged gust]

Mining went from like 1-200k per hour down to 40

[sweet summit]

WHAT THE FUCK

MY GOLD

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:wah:

[violet ginkgo]

what's wrong erga?

[kind glen]

My guilied gave me 4 for free lol

Guildie*

[sweet summit]

i bought them at 12k...

brought?

[sharp gale]

oh i thought someone put 1 m gold on red

[kind glen]

lmao rip

[sweet summit]

idk stinky english language

[jagged gust]

bought

[sweet summit]

sick

ty

[jagged gust]

brought means to bring

[sweet summit]

i see

[violet ginkgo]

english is hard

we should choose easier language to be international

[sharp gale]

Oui l'anglais peut être difficile à écrire

[timid solstice]

tyvm bro appreciate it 🤍

[jagged gust]

unfortunately only weirdos seem to want to learn esperanto

[sharp gale]

does esperanto invades countries for oil ? i don't think so

[sweet summit]

created by a polish eye doctor

holy lore

[sharp gale]

well real talk english is the easier language we can find i think for international things

[sweet summit]

it's just easy because you're used to it and exposed to it so often

[sharp gale]

i'm french

[jagged gust]

english is a dumb language that was made dumber by people trying to gatekeep writing skills by rich assholes

[sweet summit]

everything boils down to rich assholes

[jagged gust]

fair enough

[bitter zealot]

If spell reflect reflects a spell do i still keep the magic dmg reduction?

[sharp gale]

English : not a gendered language, no declension

[kind glen]

Yes

[bitter zealot]

Ty

[cobalt wagon]

how much value does leech have in high m+? i feel like its prob less important for a prot warrior than something like vdh right? or is it even better since our self healing is so low already.

[sweet summit]

leech is the best tertiary stat but tertiaries are not better than secondaries or primaries

[violet ginkgo]

Well Luerce will just say "Speed is da best, everything else vendor" 😂

[kind glen]

Speed is legit lol

[buoyant lintel]

speed owns

[sharp gale]

it's 15% of my hps but i only have r2 wrist enchants and base leech

[shadow escarp]

Aaah i see, thank you for explaiining

[dusky canopy]

I am speed

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-in-place-exercise-workout-speed-walking-gif-7314529227611726320

[echo egret]

I love this whole « review of the 11.0.5 changes » series on wowhead for each spec, when we receive nothing…

[sweet summit]

we receive target cap on roar :3

[south zealot]

i mean

all prot changes that can come would be nerfs

so probably for the best

[sweet summit]

why would you say that

we want buffs!!!!

[hard cipher]

how are you supposed to tank the orb guy in dawn if it targets you? just back steps and dodge orb

[sweet summit]

doesn't that only happen if you're like the last person alive?

but yeah i guess that's how

[grizzled nova]

what specific problems with pwar needed changing?

Spec plays well, performs well, not really a whole lot to complain about.

We're just silently waiting for blizzard to take a nice, diverse tank season, and absolutely fuck it up by overbuffing ppala or vdh again.

[sweet summit]

tier set is honk shoo

[grizzled nova]

yeah but so is everyone's tbh

[sweet summit]

sure but i'll still complain

[tardy abyss]

S2 will be more exciting for sure

[inner wren]

are warriors players naturally smelly?

[sweet summit]

i get my stink from the stinky factory

[echo egret]

Mountain Thane lacks a bit of "freshness" - it's just the same as DF.

[winged grail]

is SS the only thing that extends sb?

[buoyant lintel]

shield charge technically?

[winged grail]

hm

so game of trying to hit as much ss's as possible to maintain sb

with cd's for situational like spell reflect

[next plaza]

Is the anlma slash in mots avoidable?

It seems like I went from being able to tank a pack with 2 or 3 guardians to absolutely getting wrecked if the pack lives too long. I can spell reflect every other occurance but between interrupting and moving I lose track of the slash casts.

Also I may just be overlooking something else that murders me during those pulls. It's the "big" pack with 3 guardians, one bite fox, one moth, and I think one tender or the bramble cast mob.

[buoyant lintel]

anima slash is nature damage

[proper flicker]

you can reflect anima slash

[next plaza]

Can I reflect every cast? Seemed like it was popping off sooner and I could only get every other one.

[buoyant lintel]

alternate reflect, spell block, reflect?

[proper flicker]

oh you can also spell block it if reflect is down

[next plaza]

Yeah it's about the 4th cast I run out of juice and get a triple slash. Then proceed to die

[sweet summit]

triple slash??

[polar wedge]

do you have a route for Stonevault which goes and take the Blacksmithing bonus?

[buoyant lintel]

is shield wall an option?

[jagged gust]

skip all loaders and bottom packs and grab all top packs instead

then either sap the one mob to take the train back or run back instead

[polar wedge]

there's a whole pack in front of the train

not one mob

[jagged gust]

yep

[heavy sparrow]

anyone have any Ara kara ports for mythic Dungeon tools?

[next plaza]

Depending on the maze I've popped shield wall the previous pack or the beginning. If I had it on the previous pack it's usually up again.

Just didn't know if I was missing something mechanically with the slashes other than just plan defensive better.

[keen star]

there's a pack with three guardians???

[jagged gust]

this dude, if you don't have it available just run back, it's faster than dealing with the pack

oh im dumb, screenshots disables my cursor, but the top left guy of the pack

[heavy sparrow]

anyone have an ara kara port?

[orchid crest]

Is there any way to check in logs how much does this mitigate?

[strong forum]

nah cuz it applies debuff on enemy

and then reduces dmg there

[next plaza]

Looking at the map. It's the room before the boss on the north west side. Right where the map says "tangle".

Not at my pc right now had to pull up a photo to try and see it.

[next plaza]

I do.

[orchid crest]

Thanks, since I dont have Swarmlord, what is a recommended deff trinket to get?

[keen star]

you can just not double-pull that

[orchid crest]

• Is it even necessary in a 12-13 range?

[keen star]

it's 1 smaller pack with 1 guardian and past the tunnel a bigger pack with 2 guardians. you can pull both packs at the same time or stagger them.

[next plaza]

Well then. I'll work on that.

[keen star]

it is the room where you have 2 packs but they're far apart

[next plaza]

These were all one pack. We'd cleared the pack before that.

Wierd. Yeah I was getting slashed by 3 guardians. I was absolutely floored because I never had seen 3 guardian packs and I've done... A lot of mots.

[keen star]

then it was just 2 guardians

or some ninja-pull yeah

[heavy sparrow]

can I ahs

has

[next plaza]

I'll go yell at my hunter then.

[next plaza]

Sure. If you believe in yourself and time 10 I'll give you mine. I know you can do it.

[heavy sparrow]

shit

alright

I'm in an ara kara 5 group

[snow kernel]

What addon/wa is good for tracking damage cooldowns for the group?

[jagged gust]

omnicd

[snow kernel]

Is it setup to track just the important stuff or do I need to config it?

[jagged gust]

you'll have to config

it does track defensives well, but for offensives it defaults to weird shit

[snow kernel]

Ok so I need to find a list somewhere of importants dps cds for all classes then 🙂

[jagged gust]

Like woyer defaults to... arms, but only kinda?

there is an import tab, so if you ask around I bet someone has more info than I

and you can just grab their profile

[snow kernel]

Thanks

[thick copper]

How good the scarab trinket is? I dont raid but I Got it from cache and saw kira uses it but on wowhead it is listed as C tier

[pale badge]

Does anyone have a WA that is specific for shieldblock, that'll pop up center screen and be highlighted if I drop it?

[jagged gust]

pretty awful

[pale badge]

seems I will absolutely just die in 12s if it ever drops for more than a second or so

and seems a WA could help a lot

[jagged gust]

~.5% damage overall in a key, and maybe 10% of overall healing

You can snag one from basically any warrior package, they'll all have SB trackers, or just search SB tracker on wago and you can find a standalone one

[pale badge]

thanks

[thick copper]

I wonder why is it the 2nd most used trinket in M+ according to archon… OK I ll keep it for now (I just lvled my war as my first tank in few years) and then change it if something better drops ty

[jagged gust]

because feelcraft

[pallid quiver]

It shows very well on details, can be useful for other tank specs, and players pushing top keys cannot be assed to min-max stuff that, to be quite honest, is not the problem stopping keys from beind timed when they could be out pushing keys and solving the problems that are stopping keys from being timed

They just have better shit to do, really

[magic mason]

Does spell reflect work on clearing the bananas in siege?

[pallid quiver]

no unfortunately

[inland raft]

Big strong warrior slips on banana zug zug

[jagged gust]

which is kinda silly that it does work on GB final boss tentacles

Tentacles are basically just sentient bananas

[regal yarrow]

How do you guys deal with the singing steels in siege of boralus?

[jagged pier]

cc as much as possible

be dwarf

[sweet girder]

Something i forgot to ask if anyone else noticed also, Avatar 4 seconds from Shield Wall, doesnt seem to always remove slows/roots, anyone else had this a lot?

[regal yarrow]

Do your groups normally have them as priority targets?

[uncut shadow]

Wait what. If I press spell reflect i can run over a tenticle ?

[tall mural]

Yes

[uncut shadow]

Does it pop on the hit or can I clear a few?

[tall mural]

Until the duration of sr runs out

[bitter zealot]

So i got kicked out of a 10 mists because "prot isn't good in mist" and decided they want a Bdk. Is prot not good in mist? I never noticed so far

[tardy abyss]

I guess they experienced pwar getting slapped by the guardians

[bitter zealot]

I do get scared of double guardians tho

[tardy abyss]

Which isnt an issue with proper cd management

[inner wren]

sounds like they just don’t want you

war is the best tank against the anima slashes

[tardy abyss]

^

SR every 2nd wave and jst SW/SpB every other one

[tropic tangle]

yeah, pwar has plenty in the kit for double guardian pulls

plus you get to crank juicy SR damage for free

[tardy abyss]

If only all SRs were as juicy as the ones in GB

😦

[violet ginkgo]

they nerf the one in GB damn it

[tropic tangle]

that and shadow claw in SV are great

yeah, the GB one was real nice

[tardy abyss]

Shadow claw is like 8M right?

[violet ginkgo]

they nerf too much SR, I think in the beta sense's document saying that some boss you can reflect for massive damage but when it comes to live a lot of things not reflectable or they change it to deflect.

[heavy sparrow]

streaming ara kara 4 come see me brick this keyt

[toxic pewter]

?

why you 622 ilvl and doing a 4

[velvet ermine]

why not?

[toxic pewter]

gotta be doin 12s

[velvet ermine]

3x4's is a 12

[jagged pier]

theres literally no point in doing a 12

[tropic tangle]

idk, you could prob be 622 and still use runed crests

[pallid quiver]

Almost every raid reflect that does massive damage like that needs to be nerfed, or else it becomes very degenerate, very fast

[tropic tangle]

assuming you've had mythic track vault access and farmed plenty of gilded

[velvet ermine]

Imagine doing 12's for "fun"

[jagged pier]

i mean all im seeing is ppl complaing about 12s

[toxic pewter]

gotta get those numbers up

[jagged pier]

yer i just dont get that

giga cba

[toxic pewter]

im just saying at 622 ilvl a 4 is bit trivial, I guess he is new to tanking or needs runed crests yea

[winged slate]

Some people enjoy challenging themselves, some people enjoy curbstomping

[regal yarrow]

Going from struggling in 10s and 11s to treating them like a joke once you start doing 12s feels pretty good. What do you even see people complaining about in 12s?

[worldly cradle]

how much haste yall running for keys?

[winged slate]

The main issue people had with 12s was the jump from 11s

It was the equivalent of jumping to a 14 or 15

[balmy kiln]

how can I fix huge rage Problems in M10 keys ?

[regal yarrow]

Isn't that the point in doing keys beyond 10 though?

[barren oar]

over 20k
were you in that dawn yesterday?

[winged slate]

No I don't think the point of doing keys beyond 11 is massive difficulty spikes

[worldly cradle]

nah long time listener first time commenter

[winged slate]

Endless progression to push yourself to your skill limits? Sure

[tardy abyss]

They could also just remove the 12s affix and almost nothing would change lol

[winged slate]

The affix was already nerfed and it's pretty fine now

[tardy abyss]

ye thats the thing

They nerfed it to a point where it might as well not exist

Besides the removal of kiss/curse

[winged slate]

That's the main reason it matters, you lose the buffs

[tardy abyss]

Not having to deal with the buffs is a good thing though

With how bad some of these affixes are

[winged slate]

They're largely better than old affixes, and the rewards for doing them are much greater

[tardy abyss]

I dont disagree

[regal yarrow]

I mean I'd rather have the difficulty jump be from 11 to 12, than the difficulty spike be a slow climb between 22 and 35. It was like playing russian roulette with your group members in every key when you could easily be carried through a 25. You could go from a 28 to a 22 just through inviting someone that didn't deserve the rating they had. it's not a big deal to fail with a competent group, it's still fun. but it's kind of frustrating having to climb back up 4-5 key levels because your group members were absolutely awful

[barren oar]

ah k. was in group with a fury TJ we almost 2chest 11 dawn but then group couldnt survive call of the brood in the 12 arak

[winged slate]

It's just nonsensical for every step to be roughly the same size, except this one, which is 3-4x larger

[inland raft]

12 also has the benefit of not having to think about the affix might lose the benefit but also dont have balls spawning inside say last boss mist during mechanics

[toxic pewter]

what kind of problems u having

[pastel geyser]

how do u exactly sim as a tank? you cant rly sim anything but dmg right

[toxic pewter]

yeah just damage no way to sim defensiveness

[regal yarrow]

What would you even be simming for?

[pastel geyser]

i have these 3 trinks all 606 wondering if the sv one is even worth running or just use gnash

[regal yarrow]

Don't use the stonevault one. Anything that's just an absorb will fall off once you start getting hit harder than the total absorb in 1 attack

[pastel geyser]

fair enough

[inland raft]

Such a weird trinket, absorb is tiny and also doesn’t it have a 1 minute cd when it wouldnt even be really good if it was every single taunt

[pastel geyser]

yea its so bad :D

[turbid shuttle]

if it was every taunt it'd be legit amazing

taunt is like 8s cd lol

[deft mortar]

i am so gonna get banned for my /w to this evoker who left SoB 11 because aoe fear made us pull the 2nd pack of monkeys before the stairs while we still had 12 mins left

bro its 12 mins for last 2 bosses like

[frail ibex]

They don't ban people for that stuff

[solemn pumice]

the amount of times ive charged through bananas, only to get stunned at the mobs and lose a dps or two, is surprisingly high

youd think id have learned anything from the first time

[frank rock]

wish we could reflect them

[grand wraith]

lads, returning to retail after a fair bit of time away from the game and have a few random questions about mechanics/best practice for prot after running up to ~8 keys:

1. do ravager/spear damage ticks update when avatar is cast AFTER? i.e. will ticks of damage 'update' to reflect the updated avatar damage amp?
2. i very occasionally find myself rage starved, but have been prioing stacking cds (avatar, spear, ravager) rather than spreading them out to smooth out rage gen - is this best practice? figure this will be a big 'it depends'?
3. how important is versatility? i've been using fury gear (haste/mastery), and wondering how much difference i will see as i transition to vers/crit
4. is there a 'tier list' of talents which are considered low value which can be swapped around for utility? i've been dropping bloodsurge to pick up disrupting shout from time to time - this feels ok, but is it optimal?

edit: 5. revenge/execute - how relevant are they to overall damage? i've been reluctant to press them much in favor of maintaining a high ignore pain %

thanks in advance for your time ❤️

[mighty valley]

1. Yeah, almost nothing snapshots your buffs on cast any more
2. Throw everything on CD - your rage issues are probably coming from somewhere else
3. Our stats are v close together, don't stress about it, haste is still most important so you're alright
4. Kind of varies from talent to talent since the flex points are in different tiers. Bloodsurge is the one people usually drop for disrupting
5. Low part of your total damage but important to make sure you have rage to press them when ss/tc are on cd, missing a gcd chance to reset shield slam kills your whole engine

[prisma echo]

I have similar problem now. Sitting on 2.3 rio pushed nearly all to +9 starting slowly to get to +10 and I feel like all my keys are Russian rulete and I have zero impact on dungeon. I don’t die to trashes I know my pulls I do mechanics, yea sometimes I need to sweat more but I feel it all comes to what dps today I’ll get in pug. If they know what they do I finish today ara ara +9 on 2 chest like it was +3 next day I do some +9 and group randomly goes to swirlis or fail mechanic and die and leave. I don’t know if you have same but I feel like I have zero impact on key. I just do my job and pray other will be competent

[south zealot]

yes. use cds on cd. besides haste your stats matter basically not at all. disrupting shout is bait. ignore pain isnt something you try to keep up, use revenge when it falls in line with the priority or to apply deep wounds in aoe, use ignore pain when high on rage

[spark lichen]

Always been this way in a team game

[prisma echo]

On SV first two boses I literally hit the bag and see if dps can do mechanic correctly

Like I feel as dps maybe I could „carry” the key with good dps etc to make it easier I feel as tank it’s super limited

[grand wraith]

thankyou ❤️

[lone crow]

I got a interface question on targeting, i know in the past F was target of target, so if your mob decided to run off to someone eles i had a neat macro that just went F / intervene but lately as im scrolling through the new options i cant bloody find a target of target option, closest i see is Target's last target, did they just flat out remove that option and do i have to go about making a whole new macro for a mob chageing targets?

[grand wraith]

thanks as well! surprised about not keeping ignore pain up though, i've been prioing as close to 100% uptime as I can! feels like my health spikes around a fair bit when it drops off haha

[mighty valley]

if you over-focus on it, you end up missing shield slam resets, which leads to lower overall rage income

[south zealot]

you still use ignore pain a lot because of how much rage you generate

but your ip use should never cause you dead globals bc you have no rage to revenge

[mighty valley]

caring less about ignore pain uptime ironically leads to you pressing more total ignore pain

[grand wraith]

riiiiiight, ok i understand

thanks lads ❤️

[balmy kiln]

I do run out of Rage in the pulls to not hold on my Deff skills a lot sometimes I just stand there and cant press any rage ability becouse no procs

[south zealot]

dont overuse ignore pain

[toxic pewter]

Read all the texts above to help with rage issues

[grand wraith]

i see you stream mate - any chance you have a vod of a key that shows how you're pressing your buttons etc?

[regal yarrow]

I don't feel like that at all in a 9. Maybe you need to look at how much you're forcing your healer to worry about you, and how often you're cc'ing. If your groups are struggling that much, make sure you're running AOE interrupt, fear and shockwave.

In a 9 you realistically should be able to solo all the required CC to keep your group up, and your healer shouldn't need to focus you at all.

[south zealot]

i dont think so as prot but you could skim through my vods if theyre available

[grand wraith]

will do - what's your twitch?

[south zealot]

itzchocotime

most of vods are arms keys i think idk of any are prot

[prisma echo]

I think I write it wrong I have zero problem with survivalibility. I know most of tank busters etc but even let’s say with my perfect 100% gameplay i feel like in the end if they day I didn’t matter so much if dps fail. There are many reasons like low dps, dying from random things etc

[deft mortar]

Idk I was bad, but he also clapped back so

[regal yarrow]

It's very rare that low DPS is going to fail your key below a 12. Are you running with the same people every time? Do you make your own groups and just invite people that haven't timed anything close to what you're trying to run?

[ornate thicket]

Need a dope sword/shield transmog combo to pair with the new t2 remaster set. Ready set go

[vague badge]

Is there a page for class specific dungeon tips, like which mechanic can be cheesed with spell reflect / intervene etc?

[prisma echo]

I join pugs and thats main issue. Like I check why we bricked last keys and I bricked 3 dawnbreakers on 2nd boss because dps couldn’t handle adds (I use all 3 stuns I have and rotate offensive cd), I brick like 3 sobs on 3rd boss with people randomly dying multiple times on waves I even had healer on ara that timed key before and didn’t know you can stun/I truly mob xd I’m just having situation where I feel I play on my 95% and I can’t do more to improve key run and it all depends what pug I get now. It can be also biased because I have limited time to play 1-2 key a day which can make sample small

Maybe I really need to switch to my own keys but i feel that with limited play I’ll be doing again same dungs I already did.

[remote tusk]

We saw some good matching items last expansion in the Deepholm raid. Pretty much a remaster of the shield you would have worn with OG tier 2.

Only started playing s3 of df so I dont recall the name

[turbid prism]

Experiment 1, Kitewing - I think?

[remote tusk]

Something like that

[turbid prism]

might be hard to get now but it is cool

there's a crafted item that has the same model but its expensive AF

[remote tusk]

Shame they didnt remaster tier 1 sincr prot artifact would perfect with it

Arms Warr will have their artifact appearance to match it though

[sturdy fog]

What's the preference nowadays? Haste/Vers or Haste/Crit?

[mighty valley]

They are extremely close

[remote tusk]

Haste Crit for Raid. M+ Haste + Crit or Vers. As theyre close.

Seeing many crit numbers does feel nicer though

[mighty valley]

Plus parry tings are sick

[graceful kite]

sim

[vague badge]

Is there a site where I can see which mechanics I can cheese with spell reflect / intervene?

[graceful kite]

pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[vague badge]

Does intervene cancel the vomit from first boss necrotic?

[graceful kite]

it casts it on you instead

intervene works on melee and physical attacks and doesnt work on spells

but vomit is considered an attack for some reason

[deft mortar]

imagine intervening and getting it hit your entire team instead

I'd laugh so hard

[vague badge]

So it just targets me so that I get the damage and my position will decide where he will vomit at?

[graceful kite]

it doesnt, roar is beneficial aggro wise but still not recommended

[graceful kite]

yes but you should be in melee range with your intervened target

they wont get any damage

[ornate thicket]

true, i have 3 versions of that. Missing only the LFR variant

[vague badge]

But won’t the intervened target be be hit then? Or is it not a cone ability?

[graceful kite]

you intervene them being hit

[marble cipher]

Does dungeon slice sim work for prot?

[tribal wharf]

grats to pika on the pvp thing, and no for sim, i dont know precise details but i know for fact its patchwork sims

[marble cipher]

kk

[tribal wharf]

some crap about, so many minutes in aoe, so many minutes in single target

X targets (low) vs Y targets (high

[winged grail]

anyone know how to stop a wa from moving left or right? Ive gutted one and ig it was designed to move left when execute is available

I want it to stay still 24/7

[marble cipher]

"move" as in it animates?

or "move" as in it's in a dynamic group and it'll move when another icon pops up in that group (or goes away from the group)

[winged grail]

this

and also it has two timers for some reason

trying to bring some things closer to me until I get more comfortable with them like ss tc and sb

I almost just want to put all my abilities in a circle around me

that way I can stop having to eye down etc

[gaunt turtle]

My fellow warriors, i have a question that i cant find the answer for on the google

[winged grail]

I found the second timer was elvui

disabled that

[hardy snow]

for UI issues I would suggest some UI discord or reddit instead of class one

[gaunt turtle]

How much haste in % is the softcap for protection warriors? i somehow had it in my head that it was 24% but i dont think thats true

[marble night]

I've noticed that sometimes when i mouseover someone, either just regular tooltip or when im inviting for a group finder group, i can see that for some people their raider.io info is limited, like it only shows timed 12+ keys. Is that an option you can customize? Would be nice to just not show timed +4s that arent relavant when people mouseover me

[hardy snow]

first is 30%, but its only 10%dr, so we can go up to 40%

[gaunt turtle]

alright. Thanks bud

[jade trench]

I haven't figured out the best packs to press spell block on. Any thoughts?

[gaunt turtle]

this might be the wrong way to go about it but i usually press it when there are more then 2 casters and / or uninterruptable casts that will land on you

[marble cipher]

if you only want that spell, just remove it from the group and place it where you want it to
If you don't want the group to be dynamic, then you'll have to add a regular group that doesn't "grow"
Or, if that icon is the "left most" icon in your group, set the alignment of the dynamic group to "left" in stead, so it'll only grow to the right

[winged grail]

ty

im tearing about this wa package and placing everything where I want and adding sounds to things

anyone take battle-scarred vet? seems nice for new player

problem is all talents are so good over there lol

id hate to take off ravager

[jade trench]

Does it work on aoe? I'm just worried about getting no value out of it.
In my mind I can press it, the mobs can no select me for their casts and it does nothing.

[grizzled kite]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml

[jade trench]

Wow thank you fam

[turbid shuttle]

if you don't press it you definitely get no value out of it. unless you're holding it for something specific, just send it wherever it feels like it might make sense. if you want specific pack by pack, I'd suggest pulling up MDT, the spell reflect spreadsheet, and a notepad, and just writing down where you want to send them per dungeon

[winged grail]

trolling or what do you guys think?

got sounds when sb falls off

[buoyant lintel]

you are going to tunnel vision so hard with this setup

[winged grail]

really? I did this so I can prevent tunnel vision

[buoyant lintel]

your playable window is that tiny 300 x 100 pixel area

[winged grail]

was tunneling down below

[buoyant lintel]

thats normal tbh. you dont know when to look down when youre new to a class

[winged grail]

seems like ss is up so often

cant take my eyes off of it

and I needed to make sb more noticable

[buoyant lintel]

tbh i just press SS every time