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green bronze
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back in the day people kept coming here and ask if we ever use whirlwind in prot)

strong forum
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Even arms catching strays for whatever reason

sharp gale
green bronze
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a little nerf to rage gen wouldn't hurt prot too hard, considering how bad all the other tanks feel

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nerf may be warranted

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sharp gale
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They don’t really feel bad

tardy abyss
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Another nerf to rage gen would make the spec feel horrible

green bronze
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idk, they all very squishy compared to prot

sharp gale
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Just bdk complains for bdk reasons and brew don’t’ complain because it’s not tuned for m+ and they are irl monks

tardy abyss
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Theyre not tho?

green bronze
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i wasn't noticing mobs doing damage week 1 on 607 prot warrior, but was struggling in a fucking 9 on my 612 guardian druid

sharp gale
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Because you are used to spell reflect

proud plank
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idk there is a large gap between prots tankiness and the other tanks

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regardless of what it is bc of

strong forum
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And yet people said pwar was shit after s1 in DF despite nothing being different

proud plank
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don’t nerf tho js make all tanks as tanky

green bronze
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just buff other tanks' survivability and give more damage to prot

strong forum
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There's literally 15s done with bear or vdh

proud plank
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mhm

jagged pier
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paladin

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and monk

tardy abyss
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guardian and prot paladin do not have sustain issues

jagged pier
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too

sharp gale
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Im still in trauma for that intervene legendary in SL sadge

tardy abyss
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vdhs are just skill gapped most of the time

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green bronze
strong forum
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I'm bored of pwar

jagged pier
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dont know where this gap is

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proud plank
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deadge i don’t think anyone is denying that high skill players are going to do what high skill players do and do high keys on whatever they want

velvet ermine
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Isnt bear tanky af?

strong forum
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I was under that same impression yes

jagged pier
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it is

sharp gale
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It is

proud plank
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tankier than most still squishy than before

velvet ermine
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All tank posts i see are pissing on BM and Pala for being absolute ass

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and praising Prot and Bear

proud plank
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maybe it’s js placebo from the tank nerfs

green bronze
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bear is on tankier side, not on prot warrior level tho

tardy abyss
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Paladin is not ass

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Its just ass to play

proud plank
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pala is a skill issue spec

sharp gale
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All tanks are really fine except prot but it’s just gameplay

velvet ermine
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BM yep

sharp gale
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And prot pala got a patch just for them tomorrow

velvet ermine
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Ill never let go of warrior anyway

strong forum
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Shamans and mages also get lots of shit

sharp gale
strong forum
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They have that

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It's leech and healing taken

green bronze
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like other tanks have to plan their defensives on pulls that prot warrior just does with whatever he has available

strong forum
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That's kinda the whole design of pwar

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Lots of short CD defensives

proud plank
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the day we get a big balloon sword 1h is the day i main pwar

velvet ermine
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I felt like pwar has always been better passive mitigation

strong forum
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That's the whole point yes

green bronze
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yes

strong forum
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It's always been the turbo mitigation tank

proud plank
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yeah they can’t self heal at all

sharp gale
proud plank
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so they reduce the most damage

velvet ermine
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Good consistent defensive, but nothing special or huge

strong forum
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Spellblock is kinda special

velvet ermine
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fair point

proud plank
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very special

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very op

velvet ermine
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Spell reflect aswell actually

green bronze
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ye, spellblock kinda made prot warr a little broken)

strong forum
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Spellblock is why we can play m+ nowadays

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And Raid

velvet ermine
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Me colossus, me no block spells, me smash yep

strong forum
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Spellblock is arguably stronger on colossus

proud plank
strong forum
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Cuz 20% stronger (whatever that means) crit block

green bronze
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prot warr with utility would have been top 1 tank every season)

strong forum
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That means that crit blocks of spells are always 100% DR

velvet ermine
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20% stronker crit block 👀

strong forum
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Because spells aren't subject to the 85% mitigation cap

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So spellblock enables 100% DR

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As the only thing in the game

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Besides netherwalk

velvet ermine
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uhmm akshually

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my current block value is 39.71%

proud plank
jagged pier
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its still funny if u were giga lucky u could solo tank rashok kekW

velvet ermine
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that would make it 99.4% DR

strong forum
velvet ermine
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shh

strong forum
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And Account that m+ has the lowest K-value in the game

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So your block is more effective

velvet ermine
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Its over 100% DR for spells 👀

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we heal?!

proud plank
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reduce so much damage you start taking it again

velvet ermine
sharp gale
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Over 100% dr on spells, dmg should reflect Sighted

velvet ermine
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👀

green bronze
velvet ermine
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I love prot warr for that fact anyway

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Just simple passive mitigation non-stop

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nothing flashy

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An actual tank

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Now go back to BFA S2, and we also pump the highest aoe dps

strong forum
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Wasn't always like that

velvet ermine
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That was the life

strong forum
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In legion we sucked major ass

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After early nerfs

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Cuz block was whack

velvet ermine
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Good thing i didnt play in legion

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I dont even remember how it played in Cata

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all i know i was pressing a lot of Devestate

sharp gale
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Tbh all gameplay before mop is garbage

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I didn’t play back then but god it sucks on classic

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Hopefully leveling is good

green bronze
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prot warr was so fucking bad in shadowlands, i hated my life

chilly comet
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does anyone have any tips for surviving first pull of city of threads without a resto shaman?

green bronze
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shadowlands season 1 specifically, cause i dropped wow after it, cause prot was so bad)

green bronze
sharp gale
chilly comet
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scarabs + big guy and the 4 pack. with the engi buff

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but i am still getting destroyed by the poisons

green bronze
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never had problem on that pull, but i generally skip the first pack

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my party kept dying when i did first 3 packs together so i stopped doing that

chilly comet
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i am generally just doing the 2nd and 3rd pack together, skipping the first

green bronze
chilly comet
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not the top most pack. just button 2 sorry

spiral crypt
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What key level?

chilly comet
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10/11

green bronze
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try getting another healer with poison removal like druid i guess)

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but in 10-11 should be survivable without poison dispel

spiral crypt
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Ye done 10/11 and never died that pull I think

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Just press buttons copium

green bronze
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i have done as well, but i had resto sham) cause there are too many of them lol)

chilly comet
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i agree i think it should be survivable. i didn’t have an issue until yesterday so maybe it was just my pug group

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but i don’t want to blame other people lol

spiral crypt
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If you only had a issue one dung it could just be you pressed something wrong that dung or the healer shit

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Keep at it, maybe record vods

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Warcraft recorder is goat

chilly comet
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yeah that’s probably a good idea. i have a feeling im not fully saving defensives for when poisons go out

green bronze
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if you are dying to no apparent reason, its probably your group, just found i did that pull with holy priest in 11

spiral crypt
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Are you lusting that pull?

chilly comet
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no

green bronze
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you generally wanna lust pull after that

strong forum
chilly comet
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thanks guys!

strong forum
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Pwar was literal peak with double leggo + tierset

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Give it back

spiral crypt
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Bdk just clapped every tank SL pog

strong forum
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Idc bout bdk

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Pwar will never be as fun again

green bronze
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i specified that i meant SL season 1, havent played after s1

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green bronze
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gotta check VODs from shadowlands, never heard of prot being fun in shadowlands

strong forum
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Cuz only a handful of people could play it well

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It was hardest tank by multiple landslides

woeful trellis
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Loved prot back in sl, but I always love prot 😍

jagged pier
mystic radish
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Heya,
Worht keeping the shield with the bonus? Or might build 619 with spark so I could upgrade it to 636

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strong forum
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The haste shield is better

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Cuz it has stamina and stats

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The reactive thing is a meme

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Or craft the 636 ye

mystic radish
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Have wrist, waist and sword atm.
Is it worth going for the shield or just hope for mythic first boss?

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And go for e.g ring or other "bad" slot instead

strong forum
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Depends on you how long it's worth to wait for shield

mystic radish
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Okay tyvm. Might wait for reset then before crafting my "last" spark

strong forum
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If you wanna push 12+ this week you should craft, otherwise you can just wait for drops

sharp gale
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You don’t need 636 shield to do 10s so you can wait or just craft to spend crests somewhere if you don’t’ have a lot of myth track

empty moth
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Ok, I need assistance with one talent for M+ dung runs... I can not decide between Defender's Aegis and Impenetrable wall.
I kinda like 2 charges on shield wall, and 60sec less CD... But Impenetrable wall is recommended in almost all M+ builds. Does that 6sec reduction happens every time we use SB, it has no limit how many times it can occure?

velvet ermine
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Overal Impenetrable wall is better

jagged pier
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do u ever use SW back to back?

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because impenentrable wall is more SWs overall

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and more rage

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aegis is great if u need SW back to back

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which outside of very very high keys

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u dont

empty moth
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I am doing 5/6/7 at this moment

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So impenetrable wall then

velvet ermine
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Or if you want to do 2 big pack pulls in a row

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Aegis could be good

green bronze
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impenetrable wall is kind of counterintuitive, have to use wall very often to get its value, but you don't need SW that much in lower keys so doesnt really matter

empty moth
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Now when you are here... And regarding Heavy Repercussion and Into the Fray? 8% haste in dung is kinda a lot

velvet ermine
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Im an ITF enjoyer

jagged pier
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u arent always at 8%

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so HR is the choice

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until u get to around 40% unbuffed

green bronze
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try Heavy Repercussion first, after like 10 dungeons try switching ITF and see if you like it more

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HR is much much easier to play, but also more boring

velvet ermine
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me inviting 3 melee dps into my groups so i always have 8% haste yep

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ITF has less value on bosses unless your team stacks close

empty moth
velvet ermine
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Whereas HR can make it so you dont have any holes in your SB uptime

empty moth
velvet ermine
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Ill also say, getting more haste through gear can already change how rage generation and defensive uptime feels, even just a little

empty moth
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That is something I am working on at this moment

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I was focused on versa

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And then reading here for past week. I learned that versa is not that OP anymore... And that I can focus on Haste/Crit on my tanking gear

mental scarab
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Vers was only OP in BFA with the 1000000% corruption thingy

strong forum
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^

woeful stone
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how much does the ilevel of the weapon/shield matter as tank? (thinking of starting to tank m+ with 615 ilvl and a 600weapon/shield)

valid bridge
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What are the most common use cases for Intimidating shout in M+?
I've been using it at the end of long casts if there's no other interrupt available, but that really only buys us the duration of a spellcast

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I'm having a hard time mentally justifying the point in the talent

violet ginkgo
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violet ginkgo
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Nome said he doesn't use this as in no significant things that need to be interupted.

woeful stone
strong forum
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Yeah

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valid bridge
strong forum
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Well endurance training is on a whole diff gate

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And yeah I run rumbling earth

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The range alone is quite worth it

tardy abyss
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rumbling earth feels so insane

valid bridge
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Think Bitter Immunity will see more play with the poison totem nerf incoming?

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or is the cooldown too big

strong forum
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Not rly no

tardy abyss
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3 minute cd keks

strong forum
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Like what poison dispels are there even

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Except for ara kara last boss

valid bridge
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Yeah... the poisons that threaten the DPS rarely feel threatening to me

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if it cleansed bleeds too then maybe we'd be cooking

strong forum
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There aren't bleeds this season so

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Except dawnbreaker

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Before first boss

tardy abyss
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Siege?

valid bridge
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Why's everyone playing a dwarf then? I thought it was for the status purges

strong forum
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Cuz I like dwarf

tardy abyss
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Pretty sure the debuff from the bladedancers in siege is a bleed

strong forum
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But it's a nice to have that insta cleanse for any kind of debuff

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I haven't done keys in 2 weeks so I forgot a lot of names n stuff

valid bridge
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It is a sick racial, I've been tempted to switch. I'm highmountain currently but might try dracthyr

tardy abyss
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And the packs before 3rd boss in siege also have poison on hit

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But other than that theres not much

strong forum
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Ye

valid bridge
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theres some poison in city of threads but again i dont think ive ever felt threatened by it

tardy abyss
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For these few cases you usually have someone who can cleanse it off of you

valid bridge
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I usually tell healers prioritize me last

jagged pier
tardy abyss
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The only thing that feels threatening is the 2nd miniboss in dawn kek

valid bridge
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that pull is aids

velvet ermine
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The only thing that feels threatening is a bad healer yep

tardy abyss
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But thats also mostly because of the tacticians I believe

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They hit like a truck

valid bridge
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In PUGs its like 50:50 someone is gonna buttpull extra mobs somehow

strong forum
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The thing that's most threatening is Umbral Rush

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Cuz those mfers be charging at you from 60yd range in yo back

tardy abyss
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And oneshot the mage

strong forum
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Yea

tardy abyss
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But thats because mages refuse to ever use a defensive

valid bridge
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Also I feel bad, I definitely blamed a boomy early on this season for pulling the first boss in seige before they fixed the bug with starfall

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i hope he feels vindicated, wherever he is

strong forum
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That bug exists for decades at this point

velvet ermine
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What would be the recommended ilvl for last 2 bosses on HC? 👀

valid bridge
simple drum
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Do you guys think Dragon Prot War is gonna look fucking cool. I really hope the dragon holding a shield looks dope as fuck

strong forum
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And was really chill

velvet ermine
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But youre a legend

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you dont count

tardy abyss
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Meanwhile our tanks get oneshot there with 620

strong forum
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Cuz tmog doesn't work

valid bridge
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I just want the visage form so my armor models dont look stretched any giant anymore

velvet ermine
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Cant you choose to stay in visage form?

strong forum
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Heard that helps

strong forum
tardy abyss
velvet ermine
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I just want them to add more visage forms

valid bridge
lean bramble
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The infamous Pajeet trinket I hope it returns in WoD classic blizz didn't change the name.

velvet ermine
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Why would he @tardy abyssD:

tardy abyss
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And I will have to replace him in mythic until we get a new maintank

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He was dogshit honestly

velvet ermine
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Arent we all 🙏

tardy abyss
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By far the weakest link we had

valid bridge
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Someone recently posted a screen of a prot warrior raging about a bad healer and a details log showing he had like 10% uptime on shield block

tardy abyss
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Dont ask how often he died randomly during rash prog

strong forum
velvet ermine
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I would guess atleast once

tardy abyss
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Despite playing the lunar beam thing

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Which nobody does because tankiness is never an issue

strong forum
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Tbf that boss does slap if healers aren't paying attention

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Especially during the run

velvet ermine
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I dont heal tanks, i heal groups, spoken by an rsham main

tardy abyss
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Our healers are fine

solemn pumice
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Which tier piece slot would be best to drop? Shoulder?

velvet ermine
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Hands

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i think

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Theres some nice Crit Haste hands in M+

valid bridge
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also haste verse from ara kara

strong forum
velvet ermine
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guess im shit sadga

strong forum
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Eel tank

solemn pumice
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yeah but i have have some crit/vers shoulders, isnt that better than the crit/mas shoulders? like in an ideal world, id go with whatever is best, but right now, i have 0 hands, but better statted shoulders

strong forum
solemn pumice
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for reference

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velvet ermine
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Best i can do is give them a passive shower

strong forum
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How many catalyst charges do you have

velvet ermine
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Rsham be like pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft

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Watering the plants

solemn pumice
strong forum
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That's why my shaman is called freeshower

velvet ermine
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I have changed myself to a Kul'tiran named Thiccthys

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cause im supposed to save lives :(

inner wren
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ima swap to a qt evoker girl warrior on tuesday so i can float around like an idiot

sweet summit
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evoker warrior

inner wren
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evoekr warrior

valid bridge
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pally warrior might be good after the rework

inner wren
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dracthyr whatever

sweet summit
velvet ermine
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I wished i could play Shaman Warrior

valid bridge
heavy sparrow
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morning guys

remote dawn
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how much haste we need for ItF?

heavy sparrow
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I got 40% base haste

remote dawn
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oh this much 😄

inner wren
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one day I’ll get the sikran neck and I too will have 40% haste

remote dawn
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but is 40% the breakpoint? or befor?

sweet summit
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i think it's 40% with shield charge. less if you waste a point on bolster

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and also how the hell are you near 40%

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remote dawn
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i looking lemike on twitch and i looked on his char. (25% haste no bolster but play itf) ?^^

tardy abyss
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Sometimes people play suboptimal stuff

remote dawn
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xD

sweet summit
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itf is better for damage. but you will have major gaps in shield block without sufficient haste

peak pier
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Its not d&d bro

eager phoenix
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his risk assessment determined its worth taking unmitigated hits ratge

remote dawn
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he play 14/15er keys ^^

eager phoenix
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just proves you can do anything at any key lvl

heavy sparrow
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is there an updated version of this?

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eager phoenix
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whats incorrect about it

heavy sparrow
sweet summit
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what does that mean

remote tusk
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Only thing old about it is the crest change nothing else

hoary pivot
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Is there a way to tell by the logs if I am missing total casts due to bad queueing?

sweet summit
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you kinda have to math it

jagged pier
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i just send on cd

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and pray i kill something with it

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otherwise u just loosing casts of it tbh

heavy sparrow
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I have a gilded crest rn

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I have 619 crafted weapon + shield
I am thinking of crafting a chest piece or a ring since I know I can probably get a Mythic 1 hander from Sihkran at some point

vital vale
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why not recraft shield

heavy sparrow
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just cause the mythic raid offers a shield on the first boss and a one hander on the 4th

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shield drops first mythic boss

tardy abyss
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the one hander is from sikran, not rash

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So 3rd boss

heavy sparrow
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would be sort of a waste

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yeah thanks Stjpa

tardy abyss
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Im still waiting for the shield to drop

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sadge

heavy sparrow
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I'm limited to basically chest, ring, weapon, and maybe wrist

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no chest drops for the first 4 bosses of mythic

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ring I can add 2 slots into

deft mortar
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SS gives 1 sec SB players are afraid of speed

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Also it ticks 1 sec off your SB CD anyway

strong forum
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Cuz it rounds up or down

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Lol

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The fractions just aren't displayed

deft mortar
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I also play Bolster so

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End up with 95% uptime overall anyways

strong forum
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Yeah that's kinda the point of bolster

deft mortar
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And I don't keep SB on when a boss isn't hitting etc. Or the packs dead and just stack my CDs for next pull

potent anvil
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But your shield slam damage sad

deft mortar
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I mean if it falls off it falls off

heavy sparrow
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my base haste is 42%

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with 4 fray

strong forum
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That's pretty good

deft mortar
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Bro

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My base haste us 32%

keen wigeon
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tl;dr what would be talent/gear/secondary combo for max dps in m+, survival completely optional
My friends are about to get back to wow for KSM. They are the type of players that stay around KSM-level of keys, playing casually a few hours a week. Since we will be doing content that I'll overgear by alot I'm thinking about making full blast build on prot warr. Is crit still second in prio for damage, but worse for survival, or does versa scale faster? Colossal or Thane for pure dps in m+?

deft mortar
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Wtf is 42%

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OHH 4 fray nvm

strong forum
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Colossus

deft mortar
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I'd be 40%

strong forum
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With crit>haste gear

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Ideally 635+ ilvl

keen wigeon
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im 601 purely from warbound gear 😄

deft mortar
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Barbaric Training and click IP only to keep it active frfrfr

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1M revenge goes hard

strong forum
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Barbaric training will int your dmg

deft mortar
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I sim harder with it

strong forum
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Sure, sim

deft mortar
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Ik the math don't math but it do math

toxic pewter
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barbaric training just sounds like a slog to me

deft mortar
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2.5 do be less than 3

toxic pewter
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its already so slow and rage awkward

strong forum
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But in reality sending 3 revenges with 60 rage is better than 2 revenges

deft mortar
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But if you aren't rage starved u gucci

keen wigeon
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nice! I'll need to adapt, was leveling as thane

toxic pewter
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the issue with BT is it lowers your shield slam resets too I think

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and you lose sidearm damage which is small but doesnt feel that great

strong forum
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You lose overall rage gen

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By playing BT

keen wigeon
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with colossal I'd go roar instead of spear, right?

strong forum
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Si

keen wigeon
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goood

strong forum
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There's a colossus m+ build on the wowhead calculator

toxic pewter
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I was here when roar was uncapped

keen wigeon
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🕯️

strong forum
tardy abyss
deft mortar
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Shouldn't u have enough rage in big pulls in low M+ keys as Colossus that it don't even matrer

strong forum
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Only 23% crit...

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Shame

tardy abyss
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Yeah my crit is bad lmao

strong forum
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I got 37% with flask

deft mortar
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I got 7% crit kekw

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deft mortar
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I don't even wanna use spear cuz my crit%

tardy abyss
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Im not using mandate tho

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And most of my gear actually have crit

strong forum
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Neither am i

deft mortar
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I throw spear and achieve like a Devastator crit

strong forum
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Yeah then don't play spear

simple drum
strong forum
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Kinda self explanatory rly

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I'm not using mandate in keys

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There I use double on-use

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Transmitter + shard

toxic pewter
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are people using flasks other than alchemical these days

deft mortar
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The base spear is sorta nice to kite mobs as a defensive tbf

strong forum
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Sure, but nobody ever does use it like that

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For themselves

deft mortar
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The enrage ogres if stuns are fucked or the stonevauut hammerers

strong forum
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Eh

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Got a group to slow for ya

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Or TC slow alone

deft mortar
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Can just have a Boomie too

strong forum
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Yeah but then you have a boomy

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And 99.8% of them can't play

tardy abyss
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Boomies cant be as bad as mages

strong forum
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They're both terrorists

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At best they compete with my dmg

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At best

tardy abyss
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Literally

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Had that happen twice back to back yesterday

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lmao

pastel geyser
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guys is this talent page highly specialised for higher keys ? was thinking of swapping a few things around from the wowhead build since not having fear doesnt feel good, and this looks nicer. altho im prob not dropping ravager. mostly for lower keys on an undergeared alt :D

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deft mortar
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Ayo 639 Spymaster Boomie is insane @strong forum

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Bro popped 10M aoe on Stonevault first pull 4 packs with BL

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Then melted EDNA

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pastel geyser
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as in?

strong forum
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You can use your CDs poorly

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And still be fine-ish

unkempt hazel
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the coward build

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is what he means

strong forum
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But I don't agree with the spec class tree

pastel geyser
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i mean its from a 15 db video, surely it cant be bad lol

deft mortar
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I got 11M HP unbuffed I ain't dying to shit below 12 frfrfr

strong forum
#

How little talents matter

grizzled nova
#

you don't need to drop piercing challenge for 5% more stam, impenetrable wall is better in like 99.9% of scenarios I don't know how it ended up that all the push guys use aegis

strong forum
#

Or even playing your class well

strong forum
deft mortar
#

They may be intentionally popping BSV and keeping stains for DB 15 ngl

tardy abyss
#

Is aegis the choice node with 2 SW charges

deft mortar
#

I think that's Kirawarrior

strong forum
#

Not rly stjpa

deft mortar
#

The #1 Prot Warr globally

strong forum
#

There's hardly any scenario where it is better

tardy abyss
#

I havent learned all talent names yet

strong forum
#

It's just easier

#

Cuz you can slack

pastel geyser
#

so

strong forum
#

And kira is known to want to play the easiest playstyle/talent setup not the best

deft mortar
#

Well makes sense at the shit he's running

strong forum
#

Cuz he's doing shotcalling

grizzled nova
#

but it's not even like wall makes you work for it, you're already pressing shield slam whenever it's available

strong forum
#

Alot do not

tardy abyss
#

The only scenario where aegis is like a tiny bit useful is big pulls but also...not really

deft mortar
#

The way his DPSers pump dmg honestly

pastel geyser
#

but why not have it easier

strong forum
plush tendon
deft mortar
#

Left hand on numpad is curzed

toxic pewter
#

O_O

pastel geyser
#

is there any scenario u play battle scarred veteran tho

strong forum
deft mortar
#

Nahh

strong forum
#

All dmg is predictable

deft mortar
#

If BSV was purgatory I feel we'd run it on higher keys for sure

pastel geyser
#

sure but ur healer isnt predictable

#

if pugged

tardy abyss
#

I only take BSV for GB

strong forum
#

This has nothing to do with healers

tardy abyss
#

Enforcers are always scary

strong forum
#

If you play bad it'll be on cd 24/7 anyway

#

And then you get no benefit

grizzled nova
strong forum
#

Except for when it's ready for 8seconds

toxic pewter
#

saw a dude dropped indom for bsv.. is that actually still crazy after indom nerfs? I think it is

deft mortar
#

That's insane

strong forum
#

It's hard troll

toxic pewter
#

it was one of the 'top io warrs'

tardy abyss
plush tendon
#

people like BSV cause it makes them feel like they can fuck up and not wipe the key and dont have to deal with their healer or dps party members whine to them that they died and the key was bricked

pastel geyser
#

and into the fray? is that ever an option

deft mortar
#

Indom is 10-15% of ur overall healing and a phatt 6% to ur hp pool

jagged pier
strong forum
#

ITF is fine to play if you are aware of the fact that you will not have full block uptime and play around that

plush tendon
strong forum
#

I do not recommend to play that in this current season cuz very few people have enough haste to justify it

plush tendon
#

and go non-verbal

deft mortar
#

I haven't dropped ITF since the new talents came out, I ain't dropping it now. Mans love speed what can I say

#

Clicking faster gives me a kick

strong forum
#

I myself also run HR cuz I don't wanna deal with 3-6sec downtime of SB every so often

grizzled nova
#

but it's so much damage and it feels so much worse to play without it

strong forum
#

And yet I do more dmg than anyone

toxic pewter
#

I think people really undervalue just how much rage you lose by taking bsv also which is a lot of survivability

grizzled nova
#

we call those sb gaps "healer fun"

grizzled nova
strong forum
#

About 6%

grizzled nova
#

right

strong forum
pastel geyser
#

so btw what can i drop to grab fear?

tardy abyss
#

Its not like you lose 300k dps by not playing ITF

pastel geyser
#

sidearm seems like a very shit talent

strong forum
#

Sidearm does 1.5% dps

#

On average

remote tusk
#

It is better than the alternative

strong forum
#

Pretty good for a free point

deft mortar
#

Ngl I feel Ravager would give more defensive even in smth like NW first 4-5 pack pull than BSV cuz the rage

strong forum
grizzled nova
strong forum
#

But I can't say cuz I've not done that specific pull

#

I'm curious to try it at a 13/14

deft mortar
#

At some point in that pull Kirawarrior leaps out of the pack while Druid keeps them in away

#

Then he charges back in after 10 secs

strong forum
#

Cuz the vanguards

#

Are stacked the fuck up with their dmg buff

#

(also probably block uptime)

deft mortar
#

Yeah makes sense

tardy abyss
#

Id never pull that 5-mob pack in NW together with all the ones before

#

fuck these vanguards

#

Even a 2nd gatekeeper is much better

strong forum
#

It's a good pull cuz you have lust+all cds

sharp gale
#

On the first pull nw ?

strong forum
#

But yeah that 5 pack infront of boss fucks

tardy abyss
#

You definitely wont get around kiting though

toxic pewter
#

Its a good pull but I only pug so I am scared to do it

strong forum
tardy abyss
#

The generic big pull with gatekeeper is chill

toxic pewter
#

yeah its the 5 pack that scares me

#

other is just fine

pastel geyser
#

btw is there any univerese roar is playable over spear on mountain thane? i severely hate using spear in M+

toxic pewter
#

not sure its appropriate in a 12+ with a pug

#

but thats just my risk tolerance

deft mortar
strong forum
#

If you don't play all spear talents you're better off running roar + uproar

#

But then you have 0 points in endurance training instead of 1

pastel geyser
#

i have 8% crit rn

strong forum
#

Yeah lmaooo

#

Don't play spear

pastel geyser
#

fresh alt its 590 xD

#

drop all from armored to the teeth then?

strong forum
#

Just play this then

#

And you're gonna be omega fine in keys

strong forum
#

That talent is illegal to touch

random axle
#

Just rerolled from bdk to prot war, best embellishments?

strong forum
#

Dusk/dawn for m+
Lense for raid

random axle
#

Should I make 1 dusk 1 ascendance while i dont have mythic weapon?

strong forum
#

No

#

Otherwise I would have listed ascendance

sharp gale
#

Armored to the teeth when my hpal friend will lay on hands on my ass to give me 100% more armor ahhhh

grizzled nova
short kiln
#

@strong forum what's the Crit chance % where running Spear over Roar is ideal?

strong forum
#

No clue

pastel geyser
#

i crafted my stuff with haste/versa i imagine it should've been with haste/crit?

random axle
strong forum
#

It doesn't matter much what stats

toxic pewter
strong forum
#

But crit is more dmg

#

And better for big pulls

#

Vers is just vers

#

Less dmg but small amount of flat dmg reduction

deft mortar
#

I wish free revenge resets didn't have a time cap on them

#

So that at some parry%, Barbaric Training would defo be the best

sharp gale
toxic pewter
#

yeah they gotta use that on us on cd

#

lmao

strong forum
#

Isn't it 30% more armor

#

100% sounds a bit too much

sharp gale
#

Let me recheck

toxic pewter
#

they gonna make that not work just like they did to blistering scales

strong forum
#

Hpal has that and yes it doesn't

short kiln
#

PTR has is at 30%, but all patch notes to date are still showing 100%

#

nobody knows what is being shipped at this point

inner wren
#

Ye it was shadow nerfed on ptr so pallies are unsure which one is going live

deft mortar
#

I remember SL DF preparch

grizzled nova
deft mortar
#

I had 85% armor

inner wren
#

(Prob the 30% version)

short kiln
#

also down to 8s from 30s

strong forum
sharp gale
strong forum
#

That's the tooltip

#

On wowhead

#

But is it what the game actually gives you

#

Cuz tooltips on wowhead are also only snapshots

tribal wharf
#

thats literal improved lay on hands in holy tree from classic

heavy sparrow
#

which ring should I replace?

inner wren
#

yes

heavy sparrow
sharp gale
#

Maybe you are right it’s 30% for 1 min

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heavy sparrow
hardy canopy
#

Hi, just crafting 636 wep. not sure which embllishment is recommended. (M+ primary)

toxic pewter
sharp gale
#

I don’t have ptr installed, will just see tomorrow I guess, ptr changelogs says it’s 100% 30 seconds

grizzled nova
sharp gale
#

It’s in the patch note

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strong forum
random axle
#

Best crafted gear? Wrists and boots?

snow island
#

Hey chat, if I have a violent outburst proc with avatar off cd, do I thunder clap -> avatar -> thunder burst, or just avatar -> thunder burst for most damage in m+

grizzled nova
#

In aoe? the second one, otherwise shield slam it.

snow island
#

Sweet tyty

plush tendon
#

lowest stat budget of any piece

#

and can socket bracers

#

so basically socketed crafted bracers become BiS

random axle
#

Oh so thats why belt>boots?

#

I feel like its a waste crafting the belt when 1st boss drops haste vers belt but i might be wrong

valid bridge
#

theres a lot of good belts and boots tbh

#

i crafted boots but only because I was having horrible luck finding any. Had full hero basically and still veteran boots

plush tendon
#

but I like bracers and belt

#

cause I can socket those pieces and then never worry

deft mortar
#

I got champ shield

#

It's rough

valid bridge
#

Craft ASAP

deft mortar
#

Nah I ain't spending a dime

valid bridge
#

In the wise words of goblins

#

Time is money friend

#

I got lucky though I cant talk, my first vault was a hero shield

deft mortar
#

Act think I waited so long that they nerfed tinderbox from 9k to 300g

#

So I could craft now for reasonable price

valid bridge
#

Yeah it's definitely more reasonable now. I got 636 shield for less than 50k i think

#

was over 100 not long before that

deft mortar
#

I also do public orders only and tip 50g

#

I am OK with 629s

sharp gale
#

My golds when I will recraft my weapon and craft bracers Wednesday : sadge

deft mortar
#

I'll replace them with a mythic anyway eventually

#

I also ain't doing all that embellish bs

sharp gale
#

In fact I’ll recraft shield, weapon and craft bracers this reset

#

It’s even worse

deft mortar
#

Bros will die over 1% to their overalls

valid bridge
#

All those 1%s you dont care about add up though

deft mortar
#

I got stamina gems

#

Kekw

valid bridge
#

but, also depends what content you're doing. if you're not pushing keys it probably doesnt matter much

sharp gale
#

Your gear is what matters for most players even if you are casual

#

It’s why people loves to do

#

That’s why you see everyone slaughtering for 24 hours centaurs or do cobalt assembly

deft mortar
#

M+

#

Just rly not even close to 0.1%..

sharp gale
#

I think if you do all 9s you are in top 1%

deft mortar
timber topaz
#

@.yam.

jagged pier
#

hey the tank i had yesterday was in the top 1% and died to unmitigated melees

deft mortar
#

My premades already quit tho

jagged pier
sharp gale
jagged pier
#

why would they, got mounts and tmog to farm

#

dont need to worry about ppl

#

or failing

velvet ermine
#

Still a lot of chars that get into M+ anyway

jagged pier
#

its a simple life

deft mortar
#

Or dumbass dpser mistakes

#

Always...

velvet ermine
#

EU its 1m chars thats did a key 👀

sharp gale
#

Just on Raider.io : 18 million runs (timed or not) were completed since the beginning of m+

ornate thicket
#

Anything from brd worth having a look at?

jagged pier
#

probably not

velvet ermine
#

Honestly, M+ participation is still fine

grizzled nova
velvet ermine
#

Even if we're at 100k players, it'll still be fine

jagged pier
#

yer participation has always been fine

#

the problem is the community

velvet ermine
#

Like me? sadga

jagged pier
#

like take my 10 yesterday sure there was a wipe

#

and healer just insta leaves

#

key was still timable

#

its dawnbreaker

ornate thicket
velvet ermine
#

Thats the fun part of pugging though keks

sharp gale
jagged pier
#

the kantip and trinkets could be good but i dont know if any have been iomplmented for logs yet

fallow hinge
#

without any major cds, how do you pull packs in m+? sometimes I struggle with threat at the start of the pull

velvet ermine
#

Tell your dps to stop blasting when you start charging

random axle
grizzled nova
# jagged pier its dawnbreaker

in an 11 yesterday we hard wiped first boss at like 2%, after we fucked around for like 2 minutes because the boss just refused to move, dropped circles, stood still no matter what,

#

still timed that key with like 3 minutes left

#

dawn timer is free af

velvet ermine
#

I did a 10 CoT last week

#

wiped 2-3 times on first boss

#

i said something like "its a +10, we should all know what were doing"

random axle
#

How? Thats the easiest boss xf

velvet ermine
#

and the hunter said i was toxic and left

#

He said i was the reason all my keys get depleted :(

sharp gale
#

Why did you wipe ?

velvet ermine
#

They didnt move in time

muted arch
#

do we give a shit about 11.0.5 or nah?

velvet ermine
#

Nothing really changes for us right?

sharp gale
#

And thunderous roar initial dmg is soft target capped at 5 (from 8)

#

That’s it

velvet ermine
#

thats a minor change

#

small nerf

sharp gale
#

Not even a nerf

#

You don’t take roar

muted arch
#

nice gg

velvet ermine
#

im playing roar sadga

sharp gale
#

It’s targeted at fury

velvet ermine
#

guess im not taking roar

#

time to reroll spear because new icon

sharp gale
#

I’ll try colossus in m+ next week so I’ll see

velvet ermine
#

Its working for me so far, so i dont really see a reason to swap yet

#

saw a 4.5m crit, albeit it was on Mists 1st boss

jagged pier
#

seen a 24 mil crit on that boss

oak ivy
#

christ

jagged pier
#

see whats funny if i was arms it would have been more

sudden lynx
#

Am I missing something with Crackling Thunder? The talent that gives Thunderclap a wider radius. Just seems like a filler point to me that I would rather spend on something like Rumbling Earth.

sharp gale
#

I didn’t know roar could do 24 m dmg

oak ivy
#

I'm happy with my (for a single frame) 18M spike gladge
Leaped into pull with avatar and a VO Thunderblast

jagged pier
#

i didnt say it was roar

#

i just said i had seen one

velvet ermine
#

Jakey when he hits that yoinky sploinky

jagged pier
#

when i press mandate at the correct time for once

sharp gale
#

Oh mandate I have it on my alt that thing hits hard

oak ivy
#

I love watching my dps pop mandate and just disappear a mob from 20%

sharp gale
#

Randoms 11m

#

It’s on my mage who begin to do +2-3 shit disappear when I use mandate

velvet ermine
#

Its not really the new beacon, but it sure seems like it in terms of on-use value

#

jfc

#

Give me one of those man dates too 👀

sharp gale
#

I would love to man date too

jagged pier
#

i would love a date

oak ivy
jagged pier
sharp gale
#

a man would talk to a tree if it approached him first

oak ivy
#

Jakey rejected me

jagged pier
#

pretty hard to approach if i dont leave the house

plush tendon
#

interacting with woman outside of games is a dps minus

safe sky
#

hey which embelleshment would you currently use for M+?

plush tendon
#

many great players were once doing top damage and topping leaderboards

#

then they met a girl and struggle to pug into normal

simple drum
plush tendon
bitter zealot
#

Girls are not real

sharp gale
#

I never talked to one so I would not know

grizzled nova
#

11 hour na maintenance tomorrow

sharp gale
#

For classes being bugged until EU reset

chilly brook
sharp gale
#

I Will start to pray Egg God for the vault in 1 hour

jagged pier
sharp gale
#

Except jakey’s ass

chilly brook
#

I’m just trying to be wholesome and enjoy some Dino ribs

sharp gale
#

Dino ribs

#

That looks so tasty, I was hoping for actual dinosaur ribs tho

chilly brook
#

Would be a little bit hard to find those lol

green bronze
#

where do you get routes for +12 keys guys, i keep getting told that my routes are slow

jagged gust
sharp gale
#

Basically you try to avoid insanity packs and big pull when you can easily

green bronze
jagged gust
#

And outright bad, that 15 NW looks like it intentionally skips a spear to absolutely no gain

sharp gale
green bronze
sharp gale
#

Yes spear stacking is dead

jagged gust
#

Ah didn't know, but even without a soothe you can reroute to pull those extra 2 packs and skip the trash before the miniboss, but I suppose that adds an extra pull

#

works in a 12 at the very least, plus you can use the spear elsewhere

inland raft
#

Can soothbe get spear, suicide to get it is also a play ive seen used, or night elf

sharp gale
#

Or just have a rogue take the spear

jagged gust
#

Rogue stonks in NW are unreal

#

skip 2nd necromancer, free spear, and whatever magic garrote does

green bronze
#

it is such a big change of pace from 11 to 12, can do all the packs 1 by 1 in 11 and still have like minute left, and all of a sudden have to do huge pulls in 1 key level higher

#

like have to re-learn everything from scratch

winged grail
#

goodmorning everyone, been playing prot war lately, tanked a normal raid last night

plush tendon
winged grail
#

seems like pwarr is pretty unforgiving, not much heals. are we just making sure we have enough ip at all times to make it work?

plush tendon
#

plus you lose the affix buff which does just give a ludacris amount of stat

winged grail
#

might need more enemy knowledge to prepare better

plush tendon
jagged gust
plush tendon
#

its all about Shield Block uptime

green bronze
plush tendon
#

and proper use of defensives and spell reflect

#

IP is a rage dump

winged grail
#

interesting

#

seems like I take heavy dmg even with shield block, ig I got to learn my magic defensives and when

inner wren
smoky anvil
#

What content are you doing that you feel squish with block up?

inner wren
#

war is probably the most forgiving tank

plush tendon
winged grail
#

that impen vic on 25sec cd only heal besides major cds

jagged gust
#

if you're doing below 10s, you're probably taking unmitigated melees

smoky anvil
#

Are you not using CDs before busters or what?

winged grail
#

I get low yes I can put up some ip

pallid quiver
sharp gale
balmy canyon
#

Not really. You go low it's on the healer to get you up. Impending is only 20% which isn't much if you're real low

plush tendon
#

Prot War isnt a heal tank

winged grail
plush tendon
#

Prot War relies on mitagating damage before its done

pallid quiver
inner wren
winged grail
plush tendon
smoky anvil
inner wren
#

prof war is so proactive that it should be trivial

pallid quiver
plush tendon
#

you need to log raid and dungeon and review whats going on

smoky anvil
#

But even then, you shouldn’t need bomb healing.

winged grail
#

no but it was like 100% ignored

smoky anvil
#

You’ve got a shit ton of buttons to live with.

winged grail
#

for sure

#

I just read the in depth wow head guide

pallid quiver
#

You should generally survive in most raid outside of tank busters/spiders on brood/things like that without any direct healer intervention

winged grail
#

a lot of increase max hp spells I was using as much as I should

#

and iv scales off of it

balmy canyon
jagged gust
#

in raid spell block is your best friend, go pay a visit to the SR/SpB link in pins

winged grail
#

yeah its almost like my bigwigs doesnt advertise like it should

#

so I dont spell block

#

need to get a good import for plater and bigwigs

inner wren
pallid quiver
#

"so I don't spell block"

Ah, yes, I don't know when to death strike, so I don't. Why am I dying?

winged grail
jagged gust
#

its not gonna call for you to use specific defensives, you should memorize which abilities you need your defensives for and watch timers/cast bars

pallid quiver
#

As we mentioned, Prot War is entirely about mitigating damage up front

winged grail
#

im about to start M+ today is there a list or something I can start learning

jagged gust
winged grail
#

to spell block / reflect

wide pilot
#

how are you guys rotating ur defensives for 1st boss in cot? i seem to always screw it up for the subjigate

pallid quiver
winged grail
pallid quiver
winged grail
#

ig its all about getting a good bigwigs then and learning to spellblock everything

smoky anvil
sharp gale
winged grail
#

pwarr seems really nice IF you know what youre doing

smoky anvil
#

Wall, spell block, LS/SR

winged grail
#

and what your enemy does

jagged gust
#

bigwigs/dbm, and the raid WA

pallid quiver
#

he edited his statement

winged grail
#

druid/bdk just press buttons and stay full hp no matter what unless one shot lol

sharp gale
winged grail
#

pwarr takes skill

pallid quiver
#

It requires you to press your buttons

inner wren
#

skill is not how I would describe pwar

jagged gust
#

bdk is reactive mitigation, protwar is proactive mitigation

winged grail
pallid quiver
#

It's honestly easier to play than BDK, you just need to press your buttons

smoky anvil
#

Prot warrior is press buttons and don’t show your back.

pallid quiver
#

If it doesn't work on it, then it's the same as if you didn't press it. If it does, then you mitigated the damage

winged grail
#

I got a new ui im trying to learn and bigwigs is not set up properly

sharp gale
#

When big wigs says tank buster or ping you or alert you on tank mech press wall or spell block

pallid quiver
#

Even without bigwigs or any UI,

#

If you've done zero studying of content,

#

If you see a cast coming at you, just press something

sharp gale
#

Yeah when the cast has the shield it means it is coming for you lol

pallid quiver
#

SR still mitigates magic damage if it doesn't reflect, especially in raid you don't lose much if it turns out you can't spell block something and you try to spell block

winged grail
#

ig cast bar under there target

#

trying to get use to elvui's thing

jagged gust
#

you can move/enlarge the enemy cast bar in elvui to be more visible if that's how you want to track

winged grail
#

I feel like since im new its kind of a struggle to keep up shield block and I tunnel

jagged gust
#

understandable, it's a common complaint to newbies

winged grail
#

You guys just cast thunderclap,ss, ip and sb without looking at action bars?

#

and stare at enemy cast bar etc

pallid quiver
winged grail
#

I feel like I could macro ss/thunderclap together

jagged gust
#

The biggest recommendation I have is to get a SB tracker and put it somewhere highly visible, possibly even on your characters head so you can never miss it until you get used to it

pallid quiver
sharp gale
winged grail
#

I need to learn how to get my eyes off my action bar

#

and look more at a weakauras

#

I have everything keybinded

jagged gust
barren belfry
#

am i able to shadow meld mid pull to dodge a cast and instantly have aggro after coming out ?

valid bridge
winged grail
#

btw how do I learn routes? Ik the dungeons well bc of my main

#

but not the perfect routes to get 100% and time

#

I have mythic dungeon tools

jagged gust
#

oh actually, I made a text to speech WA that tells you whenever you capped your SB charges

winged grail
#

should I import some routes and learn?

winged grail
#

the visual isnt doing it for me

grizzled nova
winged grail
#

starting M+ today

#

is there any starting routes I can go off of?

grizzled nova
#

I use the m+ timer weakaura, I prefer knowing the specific count of mobs and how much count you need vice percentages

sharp gale
#

Mists has a straight route

winged grail
grizzled nova
# winged grail I have that

then it's just a matter of practice, make a plan in MDT, try the plan, see what works and what doesn't, what's better off being combined and what isn't

valid bridge
grizzled nova
#

practice practice

winged grail
#

I feel like I have everything but its not all set up properly

#

so its a bunch of thing in the wrong places I cant pay attention to well

grizzled acorn
#

Just steal routes from keystone guru

winged grail
#

I will

grizzled acorn
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Its a site google

jagged gust
tight maple
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is there weakaura to track bsv?

sharp gale
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Just don’t do crazy big pulls until you get what is going on prot

winged grail
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is there any tank add ons you guys reccomend?

desert yoke
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Is there a way to have use the effective health wa and have to say defensive if it registers your health would drop below say 30% if you were to take the hit?

sharp gale
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Mdt, maybe a weakaura to track trashs casts cooldown

jagged gust
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So if you open WA, go to your SB tracker, click on the display tab, scroll down to positional settings and click the dropdown arrow, you can change the width/height from there

grizzled nova
sharp gale
grizzled nova
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that's when it tends to, yes

tight maple
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well yea i know that but i dont want to glance up to check if i cheated

winged grail
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anyone here a blood elf? trying to figure out when to use racial

strong forum
toxic pewter
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when u gotta dispel something I guess

jagged gust
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havent played my belf this season, but it generally does well popping shields/enrage effects

winged grail
desert yoke
grizzled nova
sharp gale
jagged gust
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on mobs, when they're the dispellable kind, idk if any count as such this season tbh

strong forum
winged grail
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I thought it use to silence also

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is it a interrupt?

jagged gust
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that got nerfed

winged grail
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oof

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ik I should have went dwarf

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but rough look

jagged gust
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S2/S3 belf had some great dispel targets, it comes and goes

desert yoke
winged grail
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you guys using champion spear/ravenger on cd? or on big pulls

jagged gust
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everything on CD

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except when a pack is at like 5% hp

desert yoke
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If its up and youre out of defensives, you could use it to kite, but that doesnt happen very often.

winged grail
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this is my set up now, I feel like im staring at abilites below and not that sb timer. might need to make it bigger

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sharp gale
winged grail
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might move rage bar to middle also

jagged gust
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yes do

winged grail
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I feel like ss comes off cd so much im always staring down there

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instead of whats going on

jagged gust
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your eyes are gonna be going in 4 different directions

winged grail
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spamming thunderblast ss constantly

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and keeping ip/sb up

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might just need a wa to tell me instead

sharp gale
winged grail
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but the enemy spell bar would over on the right

jagged gust
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most people will have their rotation and buff tracker directly under their toon

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and energy bar

winged grail
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I wonder if I should move enemy spell bar into the center and make it big

jagged gust
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keep your eyes near your character, so even if you're locked in on your abilities, your peripheral vision will catch things you have to react to

winged grail
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kind of just stacking important info on top of my middle action bars

desert yoke
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Ive seen some people sort their bars by priority and adjust keybinds to their liking

sharp gale
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At some point you will not need to stare down when you want to know what is up, it is in your peripheral vision

winged grail
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ig ip I can start looking at rage bar

sharp gale
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By playing

grizzled nova
proud plank
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WA that plays a sound for ss resets

static gale
winged grail
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anyone know what this yellow bar does under rage bar?

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sharp gale
proud plank
jagged gust
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Well I meant action bars, but there are rotation addons like hekili

grizzled nova