protection

[inland raft]

Its a good trickle damage defensive trinket but prot warrior takes 0 damage if played right so its mid tier i think nom has it in c on his trinket tier list and seems pretty accurate place for it

I like it on some tanks but warrior it feels unnecessary

[robust merlin]

thanks

[tough patio]

Is Shield Block (gameplay feeling) equivalent to purifying brew?

But proactive instead of reactive

[vocal nimbus]

no

you want to block as much as possible

not only a big hit

[tough patio]

[sharp gale]

Shield block is equivalent of shuffle

Shuffle is automatically applied shield block is not, that’s it

[tough patio]

Ah I see

noice noice

[sharp gale]

If it helps you understand that you need SB as you need shuffle as brew

[tough patio]

And ignore pain is stagger, kinda

[velvet ermine]

Its a better stagger imo

I hate stagger

[sharp gale]

There is no stagger, IP basically half absorbs what dmg taken is left after everything’s mitigated

[tough patio]

I mean my WOO is 'revenge' keklulz

[sharp gale]

God I hate WoO

[velvet ermine]

WoOoOoOoO!

[tribal wharf]

the problem i have with brew is that dying to stagger feels like being exodia'd yugioh, no counterplay really, just you die

[sharp gale]

I play with the other talent when I casually play brew

[sharp gale]

You mean being healer dependent

[tribal wharf]

i would probably play brewmaster if i could stand how stagger works

[sharp gale]

You need a quick answer ?

[mighty fulcrum]

which wep should i craft

[velvet ermine]

Dying to stagger is the equivelant of cant heal because no enemies on disc priest

[mighty fulcrum]

sword axe or

[tough patio]

Best icon imo, WOO icon is trash

[sharp gale]

Or dying in bdk because kite mechanic + can’t heal himself

[tribal wharf]

when i play anything that isnt plate wearer

[sharp gale]

I sold my soul to a cloth wearer char

[tribal wharf]

bdk different story, theres alot of dank memes about bdk

[velvet ermine]

Im fine with not wearing plate on dps

but as a tank, i cant play anything beside prot warr

Warr just feels the best

[sharp gale]

Monk and war were the best feeling tank I experienced (i didn’t try vdh and don’t need to try)

Bfa monk*

I didn’t really played since

[inner wren]

We need a cloth tank

[velvet ermine]

Ive played almost all tanks in M+ at some point, but i just cant take the spikiness of some tanks

Mail tank, shaman tank when?

[sharp gale]

Maybe a Mail tank before

[velvet ermine]

Still waiting

Shaman should just get a tank spec imo

[mighty fulcrum]

does it matter which type of weapon i craft

[velvet ermine]

No

Although axes tend to have a lower low and higher high damage roll

[sharp gale]

As a gnome supremacist i would hope tinker class would come one day

[velvet ermine]

they are usually recommended because of that

[inner wren]

Yes maces look cooler

[velvet ermine]

Maces have a very tight low-high damage no?

[inner wren]

No idea also don’t really care

Maces are cool

[sharp gale]

Axe cooler than mace

[inner wren]

Wrong

[sharp gale]

No u

[velvet ermine]

hes cooler than a mace?

[tribal wharf]

mace simply superior

hammers and swords are the go to

[sharp gale]

Nah mace doesn’t slash things so it’s less cool

Mace goes bonk

[tribal wharf]

an axe, unless its vs a beast

is a tool

[velvet ermine]

Axes are for savages

[tribal wharf]

for chopping lumber

[velvet ermine]

Swords are for refined men

Hammers are for Paladins

[sharp gale]

We brown named people zug zug

[tribal wharf]

hammers for all classes

mace hammer

[velvet ermine]

mace windu

[inner wren]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lordof-the-rings-smash-hit-swing-gif-4849903

[vague badge]

why is 30% the point we switch to into the fray?

[sharp gale]

Give me a good looking war hammer and yes I would say mace > axe

[tribal wharf]

it really is funny to think that some caveman came across a tree branch used it to hunt and was sucessfull, and because it had like wet leaves and berries, he believes it was enchanted with magic and that led to his success or failure

1000s of years ago

[velvet ermine]

Because Into the Fray is flat

it doesnt care about Diminishing Returns

[sharp gale]

Do you still think it’s funny ? Aren’t you jealous of this man

[vague badge]

and that haste we get is soooo good?

[velvet ermine]

More rage, faster SB cooldown

Faster SS and TC cooldown

[vague badge]

k

[velvet ermine]

Faster TC also means faster Demo Shouts

[tardy abyss]

I'm at 32% Haste and still don't play ITF

Prob never will

[deft mortar]

Idk man maybe I should just focus on gearing up

Instead trying to push keys

[velvet ermine]

I think ive always seen ITF tho

[deft mortar]

Legit got my first gray hair this week and I blame pugs

[mighty fulcrum]

why not

[deft mortar]

I simply can't push 0.1% without being in a team with everyone on Discord and chill

[tardy abyss]

Feels horrible to play

[sharp gale]

Gearing up : waiting each weak those 90 crests and mythic track loot

[velvet ermine]

Even all the top builds are using ITF, free haste

Why would you not want free haste

[deft mortar]

I meant like as my general goal in game

Just chill and farm gear

[sweet summit]

maybe they want shield block instead

[mighty fulcrum]

so what does heavy rep haver over ITF

[sweet summit]

shield block

[velvet ermine]

More haste = more shield block

[deft mortar]

Cuz holy fuck bricked like 5 12s now

[mighty fulcrum]

but more haste means mroe shield block

[sweet summit]

HR is higher and easier uptime than ITF

[deft mortar]

I always time 11s and I always brick 12s

[sharp gale]

I don’t’ push so it’s my goal already, i’ll push if I’m 636 ilvl and I think it’s fun

[deft mortar]

Idk man, because then everyone will be high ilvl and it will be pain again

[velvet ermine]

But ITF does more than just give SB

[sweet summit]

yeah

[velvet ermine]

Getting more rage overall is a better gain

[violet ginkgo]

because the pug did something?

[sweet summit]

but sometimes ITF is not enough

and that is when you have to get bolster to cover

[deft mortar]

Something always goes wrong. NW 12 Frost DK did 2 ninja pulls that lead to 2 wipes

[sweet summit]

but if you already have spell block ,then you kinda lose a point to get bolster

[sharp gale]

It’s a loop if you don’t get out quick you are stuck with every hardstuck players until next patch and cycle repeats

[sweet summit]

and suddenly the damage gained from ITF is not as impactful anymore

however, if you can comfortably survive with ITF it is better offensively

[deft mortar]

DB 12 Boomie rando died in first boss, which lead to the shadow pools being melee range, and me being too focused on moving the boss out before beam and forgetting to pop defensives

[sweet summit]

not even close

[deft mortar]

So that's partially my bad

[woeful ore]

Question: How do people deal with the insane slow u get from the mobs between Anub Arash and Ki Katal in Ara-Kara? I can HL out of erupting webs, but it is usually on cooldown the second time around then.... It has killed me numerous times now

[sweet summit]

intervene and leap

[sharp gale]

I did my part of pushing in bfa I will go back only if dungeon pool is absolute perfect

[sweet summit]

maybe even rescue

[deft mortar]

Also the boss got stuck mid air and started floating when I leaped out

So that was very confsuing too

I was flabbergasted lmao

[sweet summit]

that boss sucks to move lol

[deft mortar]

Forgot that I even need to pop defensives

[woeful ore]

Intervene is a good point...

[deft mortar]

Let's see... SoB 12 failed to time because idiot rogue died to 2nd boss cannon fire back to back

And ragequit

[sharp gale]

And if you pressed cds on trash packs before the boss you will die

[deft mortar]

Bro can just step out

OOHHH and he also didn't pop defensives for richochet

and died

[deft mortar]

I can just spell reflect that with stacked IP to survive ez

I got 11M hp unbuffed

Wall CD is like 45-sec 1 min anyway

[sharp gale]

I mean over 12s

[velvet ermine]

Wally

[deft mortar]

I guess I can save demo shout

[sharp gale]

I know in 12 you can just SR

[deft mortar]

cuz defo can have DS and SR on all beam casts

[violet ginkgo]

2 things I don't understand Agmius.

1. Why there is need to downgrade key if we fail? I mean wiping or failing is normal. Look at raid prog, wipe over and over but we don't have to back to the first boss or something.
2. Challenger's Peril... who the hell think this is good.

[deft mortar]

Challenger peril lowkey good, forces good gameplay imo

1. is annoying as dogshit

[sharp gale]

Challenger peril is fine, the only thing I would change is switch 7 and 10 affixes

[deft mortar]

With point 1., literally what's the point

If I got my key to 12, I will do it again

Just wasting my time

[violet ginkgo]

I think Challenger's Peril should be remade. I mean if 1 person die maybe 5 secs, then if the same person die within X minutes, then take 10 secs, so progressively punishing rather than insta 15 secs.

[deft mortar]

Also raiders get to chill between bosses etc.

M+ is like one single bossfight with a tight enrage timer and 1000 mechanics that lasts 30 mins

[sharp gale]

I would just give 5 free death (1 wipe) and 15 seconds every death

[violet ginkgo]

At least we are all agree the key downgrade if fail is just dogshit and unecessary.

[deft mortar]

Yeah literally why

[sharp gale]

Im on ovinax MM I dont chill

[deft mortar]

It's a game for fun

[deft mortar]

Was in this Polish guild in Cata that took a smoke break every pull lmao

[sweet summit]

would be kinda silly

if your key stayed at x level

forever

[violet ginkgo]

I think he mean if we raid with guild you know 5 wipes we can just chill, review, take a break, make coffee etc2.

[deft mortar]

I am not even Polish they kept me as a pet

[sweet summit]

there would be too many cases of people being at a keylevel they do not deserve due to being carried through lfg. even more than there are now

[deft mortar]

You can just vet their timed runs

[violet ginkgo]

I think you can downgrade key in purpose for sure that option should always exist. But instantly downgrade key because fail is no no.

[deft mortar]

I guess people would reset their run at any inconvience

1 death? Kk reset

Gotta make it unresettable maybe

[sweet summit]

yeah that sounds like fun too i think

[deft mortar]

Gotta wait that 30 min LOL

[sharp gale]

Yeah casual guilds are such good to be in, but unfortunately mine is wipe -> rez - rdy check - pull

[deft mortar]

That'd actually solve it

[carmine meteor]

hey i just started playing warrior tank and wanted to ask if there are tricks to stack up Foul behemoths chelicera

[violet ginkgo]

1 death shouldn't be reset maybe 1 wipe and 3 extra deaths perhaps think of reset.

For my guild Happy, we also wipe - mass rezz - ready check - pull but if things start to get a bit tilting then take a break 5 mins or something.

or there is time for assigned break after done some boss fight.

[deft mortar]

I think keys downgrading too much punishment for job mfs like m

[sweet summit]

idk that's just such an integral part of m+'s identity no?

[sharp gale]

I had a debate with some m+ stinkers on should they make keys not deplete if untimed

[deft mortar]

It's already punishing to waste my time

Sometimes when my 12 key bricks I just stop running keys for the week because I don't need another 11 that's just meme difficulty

[velvet ermine]

Point 1. exists to waste your time/keep you playing tbh

[violet ginkgo]

part of identity yeah but... I mean if something bad, shouldn't it be reviewed again or changed? I am pretty sure it's not just 2-3 ppl feel that insta downgrading key on fail is bad.

[velvet ermine]

I get why it exists, i dislike it aswell, but it would be stupid if it was gone

Everything in M+ basically says "Play good or get punished"

[deft mortar]

Besides doing keys below 12 gives me brainrot, I forget some mechanics kill ya

When u do it higger

[violet ginkgo]

I mean... tbf Thyrrus... Let's say the key never downgrade right? Agmius running a 12 then well lots of death and fail. He probably will try 12 again and will it be success? Dunno there are many factors, it's not like it's guaranteed that he succeed on 2nd time.

[sharp gale]

I forgot to kick 2nd boss of mists this week because I’m in vault filling mod

[violet ginkgo]

He will keep playing and trying but at least it feel less bad if the key not downgrade.

[velvet ermine]

its not about succeeding or failing, its a case of keeping you busy, especially high pushers

[narrow cosmos]

Anyone else feeling rage starved at times?

[deft mortar]

High pushers have teams and pool of 5 keys atleast

[deft mortar]

Are ya colossus

[narrow cosmos]

Nah thane

[velvet ermine]

If you key goes down, you effectively have do 1 extra run to do the same level again

And thats what they want

[ionic fern]

Happens if you spam Revenge / IP too much.

[violet ginkgo]

Well I guarantee you we will still be busy even if the key not downgrading, it's not like we will succeed on 2nd try.

[deft mortar]

Yeah well I will bare with that a few times a week at most

[violet ginkgo]

Ahhh since Mwahi is here, what is your take Mwahi?

[velvet ermine]

I agree, but this is also a case of if you make a mistakes early, you just reset the dungeon

[narrow cosmos]

I don't think i am over pooring IP but there are some times

[deft mortar]

Then I'll stop running for the week

[narrow cosmos]

might be mob count

[ionic fern]

Take on what?

[velvet ermine]

And that is degen behavior

[sharp gale]

Well they gave me good points of keys not depleting is a bad idea

[deft mortar]

May even sub out for the season if I feel it's too much of a pain

[velvet ermine]

Its meant to be a challenge, if you just get off by resetting the key and trying again, where is the challenge

[violet ginkgo]

Take on The M+ key shouldn't be downgraded instantly if fail.

[deft mortar]

I can grind League rank instead which I can just requeue if my match "bricks"

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

Depelting should go.

[velvet ermine]

If it was queued content, ill whole-hartedly agree

[deft mortar]

I wish it was queued content ngl

[sweet summit]

yeah and you get -LP for not winning ???

[deft mortar]

So the teams would get fked lol

[deft mortar]

Yeah but I can requeue the same thing

[sharp gale]

I would not mind it they put auto queue until 10s tbh

[velvet ermine]

I hope they never do that

[sharp gale]

Why

[velvet ermine]

That just devolves the entire issue even more

[sharp gale]

Why caring about something not affecting you

[velvet ermine]

Integrity

It does affect me when they start adding random queues

It lowers the active searchers

[sweet summit]

i would never time a key if i got literal randoms in my key

i don't think this is a good idea

[sharp gale]

If there was random queues and LfG, you would random queues ?

[velvet ermine]

The fact that it exists would lower the player pool of current LFG

So yes, it does affect me

Not directly, but indirectly

[sharp gale]

It would lower the player pool of bad players of current LfG

[carmine meteor]

hey i just started playing warrior tank and wanted to ask if there are tricks to stack up Foul behemoths chelicera

[velvet ermine]

Thats just an assumption

Theres enough people, mainly dps, who might be willing to get into bricked keys if its faster than waiting 10+m for LFG

Depending on how fast an M+ queue would be

The fact that you even think we need queued content for everything because you dislike going with rando's, guess what

Thats what guilds and communities exist for

[sharp gale]

Yes ? Is that a bad thing ? Playing the game is better than turning in round in Dornogal

[velvet ermine]

Blizzard shouldnt be the one who gives you everything you need, you might want to do stuff yourself to ensure success

The entire idea of "a queue can fix this" is just lazy man thinking

[red grail]

Hello, had a read through and been looking at a lot of different m+, what is generally the best? I've seen some running double dusk and some running dusk and ascendance, not sure what is best as it's completely different than pala

[sharp gale]

I don’t think we need auto queues, I just said I wouldn’t mind since it doesn’t affect me, I basically already auto queue when I do 10s to fill my vault

[frank rock]

As I understand, it doesnt really matter since the benefit is so small. However ascendance can be hard to maintain in m+

[red grail]

Is double dusk recommended? Just so I can send my crests into basically

[sharp gale]

Ascendance is mostly because they raid

[red grail]

okay, ty, this alt is purely m+

[frank rock]

Id go double dusk or dawn if you dont raid

[red grail]

Perfect, thank you

[sharp gale]

I have a question for you guys, I’m in a guild and I tagged in another guild calendar for next week, at which point should I say I’m leaving ? I’m thinking when RL asking me why I didn’t already accepted the calendar.

Or should I just say nothing and leave, that’s more what I would do tbh

[tropic tangle]

I'd just proactively let the leadership know

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-disappear-peace-sign-gif-15768199

Just hittem with the “peace”

[tropic tangle]

but really up to you

[grizzled nova]

Enough time for them to find a tank to replace you, would be the ethical answer, or just monkeybranch in the way that best beenfits you individually, for the unethical answer.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[velvet ermine]

Depends on your connection with your guild

[sharp gale]

But I raid with my current guild today and tomorrow, if proactivity means benched huh

[velvet ermine]

We have lots of people who leave without saying anything or just a simple bye

[tropic tangle]

Even more reason?

[grizzled nova]

Oh if you're benched then just peace out lmao.

[tropic tangle]

if they bench, just peace

[smoky anvil]

If they gonna bench you for bouncing just leave

[tropic tangle]

but if you're trying to sneak loot on this lockout when you already know you're peacing, that's shady

[sharp gale]

Yes but 20% ovinax

[tropic tangle]

I mean, who cares, you're presumably going to a better guild?

[smoky anvil]

You’re moving to a better raid team? If so, you’ll get him anyways

Why quibble about spilled Boss hp

[sharp gale]

I Will join an equal we might say but raiding 2 times and not 50 times a week

[velvet ermine]

Then just peace the f out

[smoky anvil]

100%

[velvet ermine]

Who cares about a slave-driver guild

[tropic tangle]

It sounds like you're just trying to avoid the confrontation. You can just drop guild tag before you even raid this week

take a few days and relax before joining a new raid team

[smoky anvil]

The ignore function exists for a reason, ya know?

[velvet ermine]

Are we talking Mythic btw?

just wondering

[sharp gale]

Basically I joined 2 weeks ago and I noticed they mass recruit all the time and raid 3-5 times a week and that’s how they CE the raid each time

[tropic tangle]

oh fuck man

[grizzled nova]

brother you've been there for two weeks and you're worried about disappearing?

who cares just bounce lol

[smoky anvil]

Then you’re on a conveyor belt and they won’t be surprised

[tropic tangle]

just drop tag, if they're that kind of guild this probably happens all the time

[sharp gale]

They are no that good

[smoky anvil]

Why you worried bro

[velvet ermine]

Honestly, the moment i see them mass inviting raiders, id already peace out

They dont exist to breed a good envoirement, they just exist to give a few upper people their CE

[smoky anvil]

Raiding 3-5 times a week alone is enough for me to say nah

[tropic tangle]

exactly, they make up for leadership deficit by raiding a lot

and so they churn players

[velvet ermine]

Guilds that work like this basically exist to just give a few of their leadership their CE/Progress

[sharp gale]

It’s 3 times MM and the others are « optional » HM boost and really optional alt HM

[velvet ermine]

while they cycle players non-stop

I imagine theres barely any community in a guild like that aswell

Any guild who is actively cycling players non-stop isnt a guild worthy raiding in

[sharp gale]

Yeah I will peace out tomorrow after raid

I still want to raid imo

[velvet ermine]

All i want to know is how the officers/GM of that guild are actually performing

I dont want to make assumptions, but...

[sharp gale]

They are « fine » tbh they are not carried

But we have too much gdoc documentation for a video game

Tracking every gear slot of every roster player is insanity to me

[frigid spire]

for highend keys would u go MT or col?

[tropic tangle]

I don't think this is super uncommon as you climb the ladder

can't say one way or the other whether this guild should be focusing on that

[sharp gale]

I mean tracking if the slot is 1/6 or 2/6 etc

[velvet ermine]

Thats insanity, but understandeable if you want CE

[tropic tangle]

but uh, high end guilds definitely try to optimize gear and where drops go

[sharp gale]

If it’s hero track etc how many keys you did this week

[tropic tangle]

sounds micro managey

[velvet ermine]

Micro managey but also understanding

if they actually want to hit CE

[tropic tangle]

but the last time I raided at an organized high end level was cata

[sharp gale]

The issue is they don’t, I’m still on rasha reclear but need 0 loot

[tropic tangle]

I mean, I can also see it for a guild that churns

reward the players putting in effort outside of raidlogging

[velvet ermine]

Thats what my mindset would be tbh

Especially if id be wanting to push CE

[tropic tangle]

yep

[velvet ermine]

People who dont put in weekly effort to gear shouldnt be rewarded with easy raiding progress

Also brings down morale

[toxic pewter]

last night my guild master inspected the raid and found many dudes without enchants and lit them up in discord LOL

its grreat

[tropic tangle]

lol

[sharp gale]

Not having 2 myth track m+ slots in vault = benched

[velvet ermine]

A bit harsh, but understandable

[tropic tangle]

don't let your guild leader look at my boots still using DF enchants because they're champ track and I can't be assed

[sharp gale]

But officers has a joker ofc on that rule

[velvet ermine]

Then thats scummy

As i said, its a guild that prioritizes their own circle

They dont care about the small guy

[sharp gale]

I miss my bfa guild, we were blind progging in MM it was the best time I had in wow

[edgy bone]

Anyone have a weakaura to track their teammates spymasters

[sick sentinel]

is swarmlords bugged for warr?

druid in a 10 vs warr on 12

[sharp gale]

What is wrong ? I don’t think swarmlord is bugged and the two pictures have 0 context, does both have same trinket ilvl, what are their haste, did they used it on cd

[sick sentinel]

same ilvl, 20% haste druid, 34% haste warr, both on cd,

the trinket for druid goes up to around 8mil in shield dont think ive ever seen that on warr

[sharp gale]

Maybe just having more dots means more scarabs

When I go home I’ll check if the trinket has a spec aura , I’m on the phone right now

[deft mortar]

Meh ngl I am only gonna do 8x 10s for gear now

Idgaf about 0.10% anymore

[sick sentinel]

cooould be this

[deft mortar]

I don't wanna bother with putting together a team etc.

Or being on voice

Shit was fine when I was 16

[sick sentinel]

dont need either of those

[sharp gale]

I have more fun personally in 10s trying to giga pulls or trying out a colossus dps greed build to outdps a dps

[deft mortar]

I'd rather grind delve 0.10% or smth than M+

[tardy abyss]

Why not do the same in 12s and do 3M dps

[sharp gale]

Pug

[tardy abyss]

Fair

[deft mortar]

Tbh 3M dps would give ya 600k hps from leech and BV

Still I pull like 1M hps vs packs as Thane kek

[tardy abyss]

Usually you can survive big pulls without a healer ye

[oak ivy]

Haven't run bloodsurge in ages. Anybody got a log/details on how it's performing for you in M+?

[south zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zvCjqdZYRWafhAH7#fight=20&type=resources&source=4&spell=101

can look through my other logs too

[simple drum]

Would be way more fun to grind if there were actual real rewards/incentives

[south zealot]

you get a rare title

[deft mortar]

Should be a tabbard as well

And mount

frfr

[south zealot]

only other thing they can really do is a mount/transmog of some kind

[simple drum]

A r a r e t i t l e

[south zealot]

but youd see more and more ppl buying title

making it more cringe to get than it already can be

[deft mortar]

I hit 2.5k in 2s as a prot pala in BFA, was world 2nd highest ranked protadin, and that grind was much more fun

[south zealot]

if you dont like pushing dont push

[deft mortar]

(We just hard countered rogue / mage)

[south zealot]

why do you need to be incentivized

[deft mortar]

Yeah I stopped pushing after realizing shit is like 5x more time and patience consuming through pugs

[sharp gale]

M+ push doesn’t need rewards

[deft mortar]

And I ain't gonna put together a team and my premades online times are fked

[sharp gale]

You push it because you like to push to highest keys possible

[simple drum]

Honestly the entire rewards system needs a revamp and/or way more creativity. We’ve limited ourselves to mounts, titles and maybe a mog here and there. There needs to be new things altogether that we work towards. Transmog visual effects were interesting but it’s only a start

[sharp gale]

I think it’s more dungeon designs philosophy they need to change

[south zealot]

what else can they even add lol

[deft mortar]

I wish dps had less shit to do

[sharp gale]

Dungeon pool is fun = push is fun

[deft mortar]

Because bros just can't

Arcane Mage primary targetting a random non-elite for 5M dps as soon as I charge in is insane

BRO WHY THE NON-ELITE

And getting one-shot from a single melee

(Why is bro even melee range)

I guess their magic show explosions

[brittle owl]

are you just complaining about bad players

[deft mortar]

yes

[brittle owl]

cause they're everywhere at lower to mid-high levels of content

you're gonna have a better time at the higher end of things, generally

[deft mortar]

I put 2.6k and 620+ for my 12 runs

So bros atleast timed some 11s

Very reasonable

[sharp gale]

Don’t take someone who did not timed a 12 in a 12 tbh

[deft mortar]

I haven't timed a 12 myself so that'd be geh

[brittle owl]

why

[sharp gale]

Be geh then

[brittle owl]

you're a tank

you get to be spoiled

[deft mortar]

Tbf usually the mfs I invite are like 627 and 2.7-8k anyway

That's just the cutoff I input

[sharp gale]

2k7 is all 11s still don’t take them

No 12 = no invite

[deft mortar]

Eitherway I am going back to just focusing on gearing as my main content

[sharp gale]

My main thing is raid so at least I don’t mind m+ since I rarely push

[deft mortar]

It's almost less of a grind parsing my annual performance review at work

Esp in terms of stress

And atleast that gives me a phatt bonus lol

[sharp gale]

But with big Rio score you get all the girls no ?

[deft mortar]

kekw

Had a perfect DB 12 up to 2nd boss the otherday. Just 1 death

Then retri randomly at 30% exploded the bomb in team leading to 3 dps instantly dying

And rage quit

Almost had my first 12 xD

[sharp gale]

Wow a 12 dawnbreaker not bricked on first boss because melee dps don’t bait out the puddle ? That’s amazing !

[deft mortar]

Legit all of it cast on the ranged mage and resto shaman

And the mage had spymaster

He melted that boss so hard

[manic wharf]

[deft mortar]

Ok another thought

Maybe I will only do my 8 keys a week and just do whatever comes next instead try and intentionally push

If it happens it happens

[sharp gale]

Just tag in mists ara and db 12 to fill your vault and slow push like that

[deft mortar]

kekw those dungs

My fave dung is SoB for some reason

[sharp gale]

I don’t like this dungeon pool but yeah SoB is fine I was too much « it will be like bfa SoB »

[deft mortar]

The nerfs to last boss saved it tbh

[sharp gale]

Removing dogs from dungeon too

[deft mortar]

Also somehow the DPSers are amazing at first boss??

When the mechanic makes them hit more

They suddenly become mechanic gods

[sharp gale]

Or third boss not being a patrol

[deft mortar]

oh god

PTSD

I've seen how Kirawarrior plays and his team communicates

Bros are mad good

[sharp gale]

Do you prefer : Shrine, Tol Dagor, Motherlode, Sephralis or kings rest ?

[deft mortar]

Tol Dagor is fun ngl

I hate Motherlode with a passion

[low pulsar]

First time tanking in raid today: should i go thane or collosus?

[sharp gale]

If they put a bfa dungeon next season it will be one of them

[deft mortar]

Inc. Atal Dazar for the 10th time

I don't remember the rest for some reason

[sharp gale]

They never put a dungeon twice in the m+ « come back » dungeons

[deft mortar]

Imagine Mogu'Shan Palace

I can see that be painful

[sharp gale]

Nothing will be more painful than shadow moon burial ground

[manic wharf]

I'd like legion dungeons

[deft mortar]

wait that dung was the fastest and easiest no?

[vague badge]

That dungeon was omega lul

[deft mortar]

except last boss on tyrannical

[vague badge]

It was like so giga easy

[deft mortar]

but then everyone started targetting the same one

[sharp gale]

Yes but still painful

[deft mortar]

by default

once ppl got used to it even without markers

[sharp gale]

The worm boss randomly taking 5 min

[deft mortar]

lmao

Thaat was fun boss tbh

[sharp gale]

5 min of 2 mechanics

[deft mortar]

being melee sucked ass tho

[sharp gale]

I put my bet on Maw of Souls and Motherlode

Don’t know which SL dungeon tho

[deft mortar]

MoS would go hard

Anything but Halls of Valor again

I had enough

[sharp gale]

A dungeon never came back twice for now, so you can assume halls of valor will never come back before a very long time

[steady harbor]

Tazavesh streets

[dark plover]

HoA

[chrome falcon]

i love mythic kyveza!

[mild river]

I tried a SV 11 today and it's so harder than the others keys at the same level. So much castings to interrupt, so much debuff on tank...I have to kite a lot. The bosses does a ton of damage as well...man, my NW 11 was a walking in the park comparing to that.

Is everyone having a similar experience in SV 11+?

[tardy abyss]

SV feels like a breeze besides the mobs that cast the shadow claws, which you can reflect though

On the other side you just have to make sure to have cds available when youre high on stacks

[dreamy spire]

are there any vids that show how to run the M+ as a prot? (where to use cooldowns etc)

[red dock]

Ive been upgrading my hero gear because I dont do mythic raid or anything. However I've just realized if I were to fully upgrade my hero track I would be just under the season cap. Does that cap raise each week?

[chrome falcon]

yes

[red dock]

If not then I've kind of screwed myself with not having enough to upgrade myth track

Ok ty

Was worried

[sharp gale]

90 each week

[red dock]

sick

[sharp gale]

Basically if you only do m+ and no mm raid you upgrade everything but keep 75 for vault myth track

[red dock]

makes sense, ty

[chrome falcon]

1/6 myth is the same as 4/6 hero btw (maybe 5/6?)

so

pushing to 6/6 hero isn't a waste of gilded because you'll save those gilded when you upgrade from 1/6 myth

[sharp gale]

Mythic track starts at 623 so 5/6 hero

[chrome falcon]

what they said

[red dock]

Sure, the 6/6 upgrade would be the "waste"

But not a problem if it goes up

Wait no

Im wrong nvm

[sharp gale]

You do waste gilded crests but you have no other way to spend

[red dock]

yeah

[sharp gale]

You get 90 crest a week and a myth track (cost 75 crest to upgrade)

If you missed myth track week, you will never be able to spend those 90 crests on myth track since next week you will have new 90 crests

So just upgrade hero and keep for vault 75

I don’t count crafts because you can always do them

And I think we arrive at a time if you start fresh right now, just full craft 636 shits

[fading charm]

hey, did anyone else have this bug, i have it very very few times, but obviously its very disturbing, that im using shield charge and it gets on CD but doesnt grants rage and shieldblock? cant figure out what causes it

[urban portal]

My theory is that it got parried

[mild river]

@red dock i think that if you shield charge DURING a normal charge, it bugs out. But I'm not sure. I have to try it.

[velvet knot]

I'm currently at 2720, and I'm struggling to get any invites to 12's. Do any of you have advise?

I've timed all my 11's, +2'd a few

[sharp gale]

you don't get invited because you timed no 12

[mild river]

Someone once said to me: add people you meet. That's how

[sharp gale]

so do your own key i guess

[urban portal]

You can run couple more 11s

And add people and ask to do 12s

[velvet knot]

Eugh

Socializing in my mmo

[mild river]

LOL I feel your pain.

[velvet knot]

In an ideal world I can do my tank shit and the dps know what they're doing without me having to play the game for them and command them around like lemmings.

[toxic pewter]

They working on m+ queue soon enough details will be announced

[violet ginkgo]

no advice at all sadly.

[sharp gale]

ye basically you get no invites because you have no 12

try tag in mist/ara/dawnbreaker

[violet ginkgo]

wait wait what are they cooking?

[velvet knot]

So i have no invites to 12's because I haven't done a 12. But because i can't get an invite to a 12, i can't do 12's

[sharp gale]

you can do your own key

[lyric loom]

I’m new to tanking still. I’m having issues curving the molten hammer on the mechanics fight in SV. I pop a last stand for one, a shield wall for another, sometimes I can get away with a stacked ignore pain, but a few times I get 1 shot when I don’t have anything up

[velvet knot]

I tried, I'm bad at picking people i think. It always goes bad when its my key

[sharp gale]

and once you do your own key 12, you will understand why you don't take people who didn't do a 12 in a 12

[violet ginkgo]

Basically like real world, you can't get a job because you don't have required experience, but to get experience you need a job.

[velvet knot]

nevermind i got an invite

[violet ginkgo]

You mean 3rd boss? isn't that interuptable?

[lyric loom]

I don’t think it’s interruptable?

I think it’s called ignious hammer

[violet ginkgo]

Did you perhaps mix the words?

oh yeah that's what I thought, there is Molten Metal and Igneous Hammer then you mix it together become Molten Hammer

[edgy bone]

cocaine is my gasoline

[vague badge]

during avatar, is TC more important than SS? (disregarding thunder blast)?

[errant tulip]

Last boss in City of echoes, can you heroic leap out of the Grasping Blood pull in mecanic?

[thorn orchid]

Anyone noticing prot warrior taking more damage since today or yesterday?

I got a feeling that i'm taking way more damage. is it just me?

it's like block value is reduced or something

[violet ginkgo]

there is spellreflect document in the pinned post.

[wintry gate]

^ What’s your ilvl and what keys are you doing

[shadow escarp]

Had someone ping a specific place on dragon boss in Grim Batol. Told me to watch a video about it after the key. Can't find anything specific about how to do that boss or cheese anything. Does anyone here know?

This is where he pinged

[jagged pier]

has to be off the ground

but barely works anyway

[lyric loom]

608 and like 7-8 keys

[inner wren]

Nope I’m still immune to all damage in 10s

[sweet summit]

just stand all the ay inside that place there and the boss is magically free as hell (kinda scary on tank especially if you choose to eat the frontal)

adds will spawn on the boss and therefore will be grouped for easy cleave and aoe cc

[sweet summit]

yes. leap after the last pull @ 1 sec left on cast. i leap at like 0.8 ish and make it just fine every time

[sweet summit]

just you i think. i didn't notice anything off today

[deft mortar]

Holy fuck

How do these guys die to first boss on a DB 11

They're all 2.6k+

I am using this as my M+ vent channel at ths point

[inner wren]

That boss is kinda griefed with the orbs this week ngl

[deft mortar]

Lol healer died to Darkness COmes

[toxic pewter]

Literally tank here behind that brazier with back against wall. Be sure to dodge frontal then reassume the position. Tornadoes will spawn in the walls and it makes the boss super easy.

[sweet summit]

SS is kinda always better than TC. for just raw damage per gcd TC is better with avatar up as thane on 4 or more targets. but SS generates more rage+has punish+has brace for impact or whatever

[sweet summit]

i live it just fine with IP+spell reflect although ideally i rotate cds well. spell block covers 3 hits if you time them between the special mechanic that mob has.

[lyric loom]

Ahh I always forget about spell reflect. Thanks!

[sweet summit]

it only works for damage reduction there btw, but still great

[median kayak]

what u guys think is better overall ? and why ? .... just from reading the effects ... the non-raid-trinkets sounds better for me

[violet ginkgo]

I think ppl said that swarmlord is the best among defensive trinket on this season, still bad but... if you feel the need to have 1 defensive then it's swarmlord.

[lofty veldt]

I got an idea for a little project

https://wago.io/I362kRTcM

I wanna recreate this but for prot 👁️👁️

[bleak breach]

There are similar ones

[lofty veldt]

0 experience with weakauras btw I have no idea how long this will take

[noble glacier]

This is the first time in all my years of playing. has the dungeon/key scene been this fuckin stupid

[bleak breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/best-weakauras-macros-addons

[noble glacier]

I cant get into a 10 key cause I don't have a timed 10 key but I cant get the timed 10 key because I don't have a timed 10 key. Then when I do my own 10 key some dumb mf just leaves a perfectly timeable key for no reason. What is wrong with people this expac

[jagged pier]

welcome to puggging

[karmic plinth]

feel like you get that every expac

[jagged pier]

so u mean nomes WA?

[lofty veldt]

Truuuuueeeee

[noble glacier]

Hasnt been this bad in years

[lofty veldt]

But with some minor tweaks to suit me

[pallid quiver]

Realistically, you need a timed 11 in the 10 you're looking for to get invited

[noble glacier]

Absolutley ridiculous

[pallid quiver]

And that's about how it's been for all of DF and what I played of SL

[lofty veldt]

Could be a fun experience to learn how to tweak weakauras

[pallid quiver]

Thing is that you're competing for invites against people who have timed 11s and 12s, sometimes 13s

And very basic vetting that just looks at key clears an io will go, "This person has clearly achieved a much higher level, therefore they are a better player in every possible way"

[noble glacier]

Ive had 627s with 2600 io be the most dogshit players ever

[pallid quiver]

Disregarding that having timed a key means you timed the key.

No relation to how well that specific player played, or if they got mad carried, or if they almost solo'd the key

[noble glacier]

^^^^

[pallid quiver]

If you find issues with how most people vet people that join their keys (which you should), the only real choice is to always run your own key and vet however you prefer

If I'm really stingy for a given key level, I personally look at logs

Downside is that takes longer and people hate waiting

[noble glacier]

I do the same, think I get a good one, then they just leave

Happened in almost every 10 key ive done

[pallid quiver]

Since "looking at logs" to most people translates to the same thing as "reading a book" meaning glancing at the picture on the cover

[lofty veldt]

Damn I should upload my m+ logs

Gotta get my resume ready

[pallid quiver]

For what it's worth, I don't even look at logs for anything below, like, 11s, probably? Since I don't care enough

Hell, I haven't even hit a 10 yet this season because i cba

Haven't even hit an M+ this week yet

don't think i even have a key atm

[pastel geyser]

does anyone have a wa for tracking violent outburst?

want to make it a bigass button to see it lol

[undone lake]

how tf i maintain aggro from a ret pal?

[pallid quiver]

Nome's WA has a bar that fills the closer you get to it

[jagged gust]

Watch their CDs and chain pull when they're down so you screw their overall

Nomers WA is goated

[pallid quiver]

Keep pressing your buttons; if you mean establish aggro at the start, have them either bop themselves if they refuse to wait for things to gather and get set or have them wait for things to gather and get set

If DPS refuse to wait for aggro to be established (it really only takes like 2 GCDs at best if you're pressing buttons), that's on them

[undone lake]

hm

gotcha

[jagged gust]

I have the same problem as MT fury, one TB Crit 5 seconds in to a pull turns me in to a tank for .2 seconds before I die

[pallid quiver]

Between:

• Ravager
• Outburst TC primed from last pack
• Challenging Shout
• Shield Charge
• Avatar being up
• Spear

You've got lots of options that will snap threat to you for a good period of time

Heck, you can even taunt-leap-taunt with the taunt reset if you need

Chain-pulling can also help with aggro, as most DPS will stay glued to the target that's dying while you run ahead to gather the next packs, giving you free time to build threat

[undone lake]

I mean, for example the 1st pack in SV, the whole corridor, how should i properly pull? i think one Thunder clap isnt enough

[pallid quiver]

If it's the first pack, you have all of the above available except the outburst

If you lose aggro off that, you should equip gear that's at least at 500 ilvl

If you lose aggro before you've even gathered them, see above

[vague badge]

When do you use impending victory?

[pallid quiver]

when you need to

You can also pair it with Last Stand to get more healing out, as well

[spark lichen]

Challenging shout

[pallid quiver]

It's a 100% reactionary button, so you actually don't need to prepare for something with IV. You can also use it as part of a defensive CD rotation, as well

[cerulean wigeon]

what's considered a good "overall" dps in a generic M+ as prot? not entirely sure what my target/goal should be

[spark lichen]

@undone lake Ravager the first pack, charge, shieldblock IP, charge next, tclap, axe next, champion spear in between

[pallid quiver]

Depends too heavily on dungeon/key level/pull sizes to give anything serious

The higher the key level, the larger the pulls, more number

[undone lake]

ok, thanks for all the tips guys

[cerulean wigeon]

totally get that, was looking for more "generic" range of dps

[pallid quiver]

Some dungeons have periods of time with a lot of nothing adds that allow you to pad

[pallid quiver]

anywhere from 200k to 1.2 mil

[spark lichen]

Iirc yoda had around 900k-1.3m in a 12 depending on the key

900k was thane, 1.2 was the other one w/e it's called

But he would be doing huge pulls

[cerulean wigeon]

did my first dungeon as tank last night 10 mists

some things felt great and other felt like shit, my mitigation between pulls sucked

[pallid quiver]

That's probably fine; you can do more in Mists, but the DPS were also definitely like, actually pressing buttons, and there's only so much damage to go around

[spark lichen]

whether you reflected anima slash is prob more important tbh

Mists is straight w except for that double guardian pack

[cerulean wigeon]

i'm a dps transplant so my gear is pretty good

honestly, its hard to learn with my ilvl

cause i can just face tank my way to success at 10s

but feel guilty trying to learn above that kekw

[jagged gust]

Whenever I need a challenge I invite my guildies

[pallid quiver]

Really, there's not too much to learn other than rotating your defensives. Routes are pretty static overall due to needing to kill most of the instances that exist, and you generally can't mega pull without some real coordination since almost every mob has something they can do

And with the scaling nature of M+, that means almost every mob hits a point where there's something they can do to one-shot/wipe the group

[cerulean wigeon]

yea, didnt even feel like i needed my defensives while rolling SB + IP honestly

but only a 10

[pallid quiver]

For single packs, realistically that's all you need even in higher keys until specific casts come out. They just don't actually hit that hard past SB until you start pulling real big

Even though melees are the highest damage taken throughout keys, it's not a major problem until bigger and more dangerous pulls

[cerulean wigeon]

definitely a learning experience, whats considered "dangerous" as a dps is mostly ignorable as a tank and pulls that seem easy as dps as hella dangerous on tank

[pallid quiver]

That's by design, usually

Damage is normally sorted into two varieties; dangerous to the party (so not tank) and dangerous to the tank (DPS/Heals fine)

If both are happening, that's usually a mistake and not recoverable due to the amount of effort required to heal a tank versus the group and the amount of GCDs available. Obviously not the case in lower keys, but the case higher up

[cerulean wigeon]

on the bright side, SB + IP juggling is super smooth/easy

[pallid quiver]

there shouldn't be any "juggling", they're both pretty much constantly being applied at the same time

There's no choice to be made

[short turret]

Any1 know a good addon or weakaura for announcing succesful spell reflects? Alot of the ones i've found are quite buggy

[fierce kindle]

gamers how much crit should i be aiming for

[pallid quiver]

As much as you can without sacrificing ilvl or haste

[fierce kindle]

well

i dont think thats true

you have to decide between versatility and crit

[pallid quiver]

If you don't think ilvl trumps all, or that haste is a stronger stat than either, I can't help you

[fierce kindle]

?

i never said that

its the decision between crit and versa

ofc i got as much haste as possible

[pallid quiver]

You pick one and then stack it

[atomic moat]

ilvl > haste > crit > vers

[fierce kindle]

yea i am only at 22% crit atm wich kinda sucks

[pallid quiver]

You don't hit any DRs to make aiming for any specific amount worth anything

You get enough incidental mastery and vers from tier pieces/trinkets/etc to get enough of the other stats

If you stack pure Haste/Crit

Same thing with Haste/Vers, but you do a bit less damage

[fierce kindle]

hmm fair

I JUST SAW THE SUPER HIGH M+ WARRIOR GO VERSA

caps sry

[pallid quiver]

In all honesty, there's very minimal difference between stacking crit or vers. Some of the main reasons people stack vers are because of lingering sentiment from BFA when it was mega cracked, the fact that it serves a high value in living one-shots at the highest end of keys for DPS/Heals, and because it works on the damage types that are usually believed to be Prot War's weaknesses, those being "magic" damage and bleeds.

The former is nostalgia, the second is comparing apples to oranges as DPS and Heals don't have in-built mitigation tools the way tanks do that dramatically change how damage intake is handled, and the third ultimately doesn't matter due to the scaling amount between key levels and the damage intake to tanks; for any bleed/magic dot/etc that would pose a threat to your life, the only amount of vers that would help is an absolutely disgusting amount that's not achievable

Crit is in a similar boat; it provides defensive value, but not like magically more than vers; it's not even majorly behind haste, either.

[simple drum]

So I should stack Mastery

[narrow cosmos]

Yes Mastery

[pallid quiver]

it'll work fine as long as you have ilvl

You'd just do less damage an incidentally less defensive value on average

[fierce kindle]

ill try to get some more crit then

[pallid quiver]

unless you mega spellblock crit block some spells, since spellblock crit blocks don't have a max limit on what they can mitigate for whatever reason

[fierce kindle]

even tho i have some versa gear atm

sadge

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I wouldn't fuss over it unless you want to mega min-max

As long as you keep getting higher ilvl gear, you're fine

[fierce kindle]

that kinda where i am

even tho its my first season pushing m+

[pallid quiver]

If you're at that point, you should be doing M raid to get the very rare drops.

[fierce kindle]

warrior is so much fun i have been blasting

my guild cant even clear hc

😄

[pallid quiver]

since those are bis and part of what gives the incidental stats

[fierce kindle]

like i dont have the necklace causewe cant

kill it

i did manage to get 624 tho wich is cool and i have 90 more marks just have to think about what to craft

[simple drum]

I untalented Spell Block since the only way to know when to use it is a fucking Excel spreadsheet + memorization lol

[bleak breach]

We’re upto mythic brood, but I got dropped because the guild wants to try double DK without 3rd tank 😦

[simple drum]

It was a dead talent for me a lot of the time

[fierce kindle]

it also gives magic dr

huge vs some boss hits

[bleak breach]

Whattttttt

[pallid quiver]

Wrong abilitiy

Spell Block's the one that lets you apply block to most spells

[bleak breach]

It works on 90% of stuff. Just use it

[fierce kindle]

oh

yea

if you jump into a pack with a bunch of casters

just press it xD

[bleak breach]

^

[fierce kindle]

or on dawnbreaker first and seond boss

can take the big tank buster with spell reflect and block

[pallid quiver]

Which is to say, it can literally let you immune spells. That's not a joke; if you crit block, there's no max limit to what it can reduce, so you could take Odyn's death super telegraphed spiral, spell block it, and crit it to just live back in Halls of Valor

[fierce kindle]

and then use the other cds to take the other busters

[pallid quiver]

Also of note is that almost every single major tank hit in the season has a magic aspect that is reduced by spell block; off the top of my head, only Ansurek Feast, Court Impaling Strike, and the two Exposes on Sikran are not affected

[simple drum]

I just wish there was a single weak aura or rotational helper (that works) that can at least give me a heads up instead of me needing to study damage + study when magic damage is going to be the worst

[fierce kindle]

just use it

if you have more hp

than when you dont use it

it good

thats how i do it

[simple drum]

I still wouldn’t know when to use Spell Block and when to use Shield Block and I assume they shouldn’t overlap

[pallid quiver]

Like, you have to study damage no matter what in order to play tanks well; you can't get good use out of defensives without knowing when damage is going to come in and how it's coming in

[fierce kindle]

shieldblock you always have up

liek 100% uptime

[simple drum]

Shield Wall sorry

A lot of Shield/Block-named abilities lol

[fierce kindle]

yea

[pallid quiver]

Shield Wall has like a 50s CD, and Spell Block lasts 30s

[fierce kindle]

well shield wall is low af cd

[pallid quiver]

You can view it, even, as press Shield Wall, then once it's off, just throw Spell Block

[fierce kindle]

i always use it first on big damage or pulls

[pallid quiver]

Shield Wall will almost be off CD then

[fierce kindle]

then use the others

[simple drum]

I guess I just don’t like that. It’s such a bizarre design choice especially for newer tanks

I should be able to just… play the game, lol

[fierce kindle]

i mean you can

just not in super high keys

i was still cluless af in 8s

[paper coral]

can somebody explain to me why Authority of the Depths is better than Radiant Powers?

[fierce kindle]

it just becomes more important once you want to go higher

[simple drum]

Yeah you’re right

[fierce kindle]

and then when you die open recap

and see what happened

i also dont like to use 1000000 addons and wa

i barely have any

and i still managed to somehow get to 2550 rio in my first ever m+ season (granted thats not turbo high but i am happy with it)

[pallid quiver]

Like Hora mentioned, you 100% can. Like, on Sikran, you don't even need a defensive up to live a double Expose into Phase Lunge on normal IIRC; you can just raw take one of the combos

[paper coral]

Metro, the blood DK streamer, had a WA that had showed incoming damage as a type. It was useful for learning a fight. I dont know if it's been updated for TWW yet

[pallid quiver]

You then use that experience to learn and adapt for higher difficulty versions of the same content so you can adapt and actually live, since it assumes you know by now

[simple drum]

Then I will ask you guys this:

Is there a macro for Spell Block that makes sense? One where I can just cast it + have it up, and not need to think about it?

[pallid quiver]

Track its CD like your other defensive CDs

If you see something coming up, press it if Shield Wall's not up

It'll work on almost every single thing that does damage to you specifically (as long as you are blocking, so have Shield Block up)

Off the top of my head, the only thing it doesn't work on that hurts you is Extraction Strike in Echoes

[loud sentinel]

how much haste should i have to switch from heavy repercussions to into the fray?

[simple drum]

What tools do you like to use to track defensives? I assume just standard WA?

[fierce kindle]

i am at only 20k and its like barely playable with into the fray

20k without food buff

[pallid quiver]

Somewhere roughly around 40% unbuffed, without ITF. Depends on dungeon, since you can get away with lower on dungeons like Dawnbreaker, where there's a lot of mobs that just cast

There's nothing wrong with just sitting on HR, either, since it guarantees you'll always have Shield Block up in exchange for an optimal amount of roughly 6% damage

[pallid quiver]

Just WAs, yeah

[loud sentinel]

ty!

[fierce kindle]

getting that 40% is super hard tho sadge

since i cant get the raid necklace

so sad

[pallid quiver]

It requires almost complete bis gear this season, iirc

[fierce kindle]

yea

like my gear is pretty good already

but its not doable for me unless its haste week

so next week its big fun again

[pallid quiver]

yeah, the haste buff affix kinda messes with that, since that's a lot of free haste that's almost always up

[fierce kindle]

i mena once i craft a better amulet i think i can barely go ITF again

cause i feel liek 37% is already playable

like im at 35% and in lower keys i take it and its sooooooo close to being permanently up

[woeful trellis]

https://prnt.sc/T91U2-Up6mi9 this trinket is rly something else next rotation will be fun

[thorn basalt]

Do we play sacbrood in m+ as well?

[woeful trellis]

yes

[thorn basalt]

cool

[nimble whale]

Hey guys got a question, at what ilvl can i tank like 5s etc

just started gearing a prot warr and current 595 want to know what level i can tank before its considered troll

[thorn basalt]

I mean it depends on your skill and your group

[nimble whale]

ive played prot a fair bit id say im "decently" skilled

also pugging atm

[thorn basalt]

But generally I went for like 2-4 from 580-600 and then gradually increased

You can probably do it earlier too, 2s arent a challenge at all, but its just less of a struggle

Fighting for your life on every pack is stressful

[raw parcel]

Guys, I'm shook. Someone on reddit informed me I shouldn't aim for 100% Shield Block uptime, and linked a log of one of the top warriors who only had 90% uptime. :x

[teal laurel]

Did he spend a significant time not tanking physical, what encounter?

[fierce kindle]

even still

shield block gives damage

[raw parcel]

It was an overall for an Ara Kara.

[teal laurel]

Right I'm just wondering because if he was glued to skein his parse might be different than any other lol

[teal laurel]

Can't imagine why then, maybe he's just lazy and his overgeared ilvl carried his parse?

[acoustic radish]

Is Mountain thane or colossal better?

[sharp epoch]

should i run this over trinkets like foul behemoth or larynx? 2nd trinket is swarm lords

[solemn pumice]

I've noticed a few bosses tank busters chew through my IP and even if i rotate defensives, I end up unable to generate enough rage to maintain IP, how can i fix this?

When I played bdk, i parried most regular claps and even some tankbusters, but I cant seem to get it to work as warrior

[raw parcel]

My thought was that it might have been such a high key that he did some old fashioned kiting, but I honestly don't know. I do know it feels really off to have only 90% uptime though. o.O

[teal laurel]

Have an example?

[solemn pumice]

specifically the mech boss in stonevault

it chews through my IP like a rapid animal

[teal laurel]

twinsteakers or boss 1?

[solemn pumice]

oh right theres two mechs, the twins

[teal laurel]

the normal damage isn't high are you sure you aren't eating something you shouldn't

[solemn pumice]

I'm like 94% sure its the buster

[teal laurel]

What key level is this?

[solemn pumice]

regardless i end up at a point where i dont have any rage, less than 500k on ip and nothing to press to generate and maintain ip

This was a 9, i'm 610

[teal laurel]

Even with shield wall you get deleted?

[tribal wharf]

im gunna run 4 whatever (probably threads db sv) until i cant use runeds any more

then ill do the 8-10 ranges for keys

[solemn pumice]

no, this is after ive rotated defensives, so wall is on cd

[teal laurel]

I forget if that buster is all phys or not so it might be worth checking

[solemn pumice]

it might just be a skill issue, my warrior dinged 80 tuesday

[teal laurel]

at 627 it's not particularly scary on 10 so I cant comment what 610 is like

[mighty valley]

that’s just the nature of how ip works, you shouldn’t really focus on IP uptime as a metric, just maximizing rage generation overall

[teal laurel]

I see IP as "my rage is at 75+ and I have nothing better to press" lol

[mighty valley]

yeah exactly — which means you press it a ton

[teal laurel]

my IP macro is mousewheel down baybeeee lol

[mighty valley]

but try not to drain yourself die and miss sb/revenge gcds

[deft mortar]

Howdy my fellow tanks

I cannot solo DB11 first boss it seems

Embarrassing really

[solemn pumice]

I just feel so damn squishy when i don't have any IP left, like the first pull of almost every dungeon feels like 200 APM for like 4 seconds

[teal laurel]

Do you have a categorically underleveled shield or something

[mighty valley]

the first pull is where you should have the most IP since all your CDs are going and your rage income is massive

[solemn pumice]

we've come to the point where i could meme out and say im rocking an amirdrassil shield, but no, its 619. Again, it could literally just be a skill issue

[mighty valley]

yeah you might be missing something, would have to see logs to be sure

maybe getting backhit without realizing it

or not getting sb up before the first melees all hit

[solemn pumice]

very possible on trash, sslightly less on boss tank busters

[teal laurel]

I hate the movement AI on ara kara mobs

They love backhitting you because you moved 0.001 feet and their AI says to go to Narnia and back

[solemn pumice]

Maybe i just need thunderfury and bulwark

thats what all the cool prots rock

[teal laurel]

This isn't something I did in Wow (come from EQ) but if a boss is deleting me I record it and just watch footage

its usually something stupid

[solemn pumice]

When i played bdk i had a parry counter that counted all my parries, i wonder if some degen made one that counts all blocking

[smoky anvil]

all 10s timed now

fuck city of threads

[teal laurel]

Congrats you beat wow. Now go play idle games and rott your brain like meee

[pallid quiver]

I mean, what's more important is blocked hits, anyway; how many did he block?

[smoky anvil]

I unfortunately have caught the bug

I want all 12s

[teal laurel]

Any particular reason?

[smoky anvil]

because it's there to achieve

[teal laurel]

I almost exclusively pug so I'm waiting for people to be less ass and more geared then I'll push rating

[smoky anvil]

I doubt I go any further though

we'll see if I can even manage +12s

I push with a group, so I def have a different perspective

we've only alternated between a consistent aug and a pug rdps, usually lock

[teal laurel]

My tolerance for 80 IQ potato people with boosted RIO sneaking into my groups is lower in my old age LOL

[smoky anvil]

completely understandable

was trying to help a friend get ksm and had a mage and hpal glued to staying melee range on +8 dawnbreaker

[tropic tangle]

I've been avoiding this one

[smoky anvil]

bricked the key cuz they refused to watch timers

[tropic tangle]

kind of just hate that dungeon

[smoky anvil]

you and me both, brother

the first boss makes me so fucking anxious

[teal laurel]

Why do you hate it? I kinda don't mind cot

[smoky anvil]

ptsd from bad groups tbh

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sunday-blessings-gif-15072040617882473560

[tropic tangle]

eh, dunno, it just feels bad. pugs can easily wipe any of the bosses

[smoky anvil]

I've had so many shit groups that just let me die to blue swirl on 2nd boss, folks who R E F U S E to follow my mark with the circle on 1st

[tropic tangle]

at least something like stonevault I usually only worry about Machine Speakers

[smoky anvil]

etc

[teal laurel]

Lol not soaking rime is the #1 way I die too

Then there's still a dps who thinks its your fault

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-emotional-meme-whastapp-gif-20742704

I've been told to CD through it

def not me melting through last stand, wall, and SR lmao

[teal laurel]

Try CDing through a m11 rime

[tough patio]

When 4 man teams carry a random keyholder. Usually a healer

[tropic tangle]

speaking of, how do you guys route COT? you go right or left?

[teal laurel]

I don't think there's a practical difference

[tropic tangle]

left has felt pretty good, but it doesn't lend itself to the early lust

whereas you can get a nice lust pull early on the right side

[pallid quiver]

checks all my DPS chars that are remotely potentially geared, sees they're all melee

Nnnnnope, can't help with that, boss

I have ranged DPS at cap, a lock even,

but he's not at all geared

[teal laurel]

I need a ranged dps I can just turn my brain off for. But I kinda hate all the dps classes this expac lol

[shut tide]

Should we embellish our weapon?

And does anybody suggest protection over blood? Trying to tank with real life friends but don't know which one to pick

[teal laurel]

Ascendance is pretty baller

[shut tide]

@teal laurel that's what I was thinking, ty

[marble night]

so just got my hands on a Oppressive Orator's Larynx, wanted to macro the /use to my Thunder Clap but it'll spam "Item is not ready yet" when the thing is on CD. Any ideas on how to get around that in a macro? right now im just using:

#showtooltip
/cast Thunder Clap
/use 14

[teal laurel]

There's a tickbox in Options

[marble night]

hmmm any idea what its under?

[teal laurel]

Trying to find it, it's been unticked forever

Maybe this?

[marble night]

i searched item and ready

oh thats just a sound cue

looking to hide that pesky message if possible

[teal laurel]

I dont think it's correct there's a tickbox exactly for what you're asking

I know because I had both my trinkets on shield slam (lol) and never got harassed

[marble night]

huh? so there is or isnt a way to turn that notification off

[teal laurel]

is

I just dont recall (I'm looking lol)

Found it

this will remove the visual text as well

[marble night]

my man

[teal laurel]

You need it when you're rocking this LOL

[marble night]

hmmm still doing it after a /reload, gonna relog and see

[teal laurel]

I think things like ElvUI work too

[marble night]

damn i do use elvui, maybe theres something i nthere causing it as well

ahh elvui actually is the thing that fixes it

[teal laurel]

Mystery solved lol

I was like I swearrrr I know how I fixed it (2 brain cells rattling around)

[marble night]

was doing my thunder clap while out of combat

went to target dummy and we gucci

perfect! i honestly hate having a keybind solely for a trinket

[nimble laurel]

do we have a way to pull mobs through the walls in Mists?

[tribal wharf]

oh yeah, speaking about mists

they fixed the leap thing right

[deft mortar]

How can people be above 2.7k

[tribal wharf]

you used to be able to heroic leap over a ton of terrain

[deft mortar]

But get hit by fixate mob in Grim Batol 3rd boss

[tribal wharf]

covered by belular new video, ui and training in keys sucks

which is what i've been saying all along

"how do you add an effect that makes it clear this debuff should be dispelled at X seconds"

[pliant barn]

When i use the CR item on someone ( since it's a cast ) am i vulnurable ? ( No Parry / Block / dodge )

[pallid quiver]

Yep, no blocking during the cast

So preferably don't use it during periods of high tank damage

But if it's only moderate or something, you can pretty comfortably pop SW and get someone up

and then there's times where there's pretty much zero tank damage going on

[heavy sparrow]

hey guys

should I max out

623 mythic shoulders or 623 mythic trinket Foul Behemtho's

[bleak breach]

Accidents happen

[bleak breach]

Really upto you, shoulders will provide more survivability I would assume

[north bloom]

(regarding m+ only)
why is prot warrior good? wondering what its strengths are compared to other tanks and perhaps its weaknesses too

[paper coral]

Can somebody explain how I died? It looks like atonement isnt healing me?

[inner wren]

it good cuz it no be take the damages

[bleak breach]

Big pp

[north bloom]

i see on the vods of high warriors of most pulls i feel i cant tank the solution is to simply not tank it and run away after shield block + slt

im just wondering how a tank that has to do that can be meta

[inner wren]

what

[bleak breach]

Prot war is just beefy, doesn’t get hurt by meleee and has solid magic mitigation now

Plus good consistent cc and cds lining up for every pack

[north bloom]

i cant help but feel it just doesnt do an insane amount util wise compared to prot pal / bdk / vdh and others, and it also cant sit in big packs for longer than like 20 seconds

[bleak breach]

Why not?

[frail ibex]

Not true

also

if it was

[bleak breach]

Aslong as shield block is up and you have IP your health is fine

[frail ibex]

20 seconds is enough to get threat and kite

[north bloom]

yea ik sepy, but if i do the same pull on like my vdh i can just sit the pack and never leave pumping dam

[bleak breach]

Odd

[frail ibex]

well

[bleak breach]

VDH takes way more damage overall

[frail ibex]

what level are you doing?

[north bloom]

ofc this is only on the massive pulls, smaller target count pulls feel amazing on prot war

[bleak breach]

Prot war is by far the lowest dtps

[north bloom]

+12s / +13s, but i watch kira + yoda and some others youtube vods when i get confused and thats where im wondering why prot war if they have to do this kiting so often

[frail ibex]

Because reflect go brr

[bleak breach]

Some if it comes down to how cheese a lot of bosses are as prot too

[north bloom]

for sure i see that sok

[frail ibex]

Yeah like in wake on the first boss

[waxen frigate]

shoulders provides a lot more stats and the behemoths isn't bis anyway

[frail ibex]

can just completely ignore the breath damage with intervene

[bleak breach]

Packs in high keys are all CC and burst. If you’re in a 13 and stuck with 10 mobs on you for a while you’re gonna die regardless of class.

[paper coral]

I think I dont understand the exhaust vents mechanic. please help me not be bad

[bleak breach]

Gotta stand on the vent that’s not on fire

[waxen frigate]

spanws in 3 corners

go to the one it doesnt spawn in

[bleak breach]

Right in the middle of it

[north bloom]

maybe im just feeling the effects of it being not the best for pugging thats got me feelin like its not op

[paper coral]

Ohhhhh ok

[north bloom]

i think itd feel way better in a 5 stack

[bleak breach]

Prot is smooth as long as you survive the first 5secs

[north bloom]

im used to playing the broken vdh where i could solo 99% of gathers

[frigid spire]

would u say MT or Col for Mythic raid?

[bleak breach]

I find if I ever die it’s when I first go into a pack, once I have stuff up I won’t die

[bleak breach]

MT

[frail ibex]

Well yeah anything that is in a pug is not gonna feel as good

[bleak breach]

Damage don’t matter if you’re dead

[north bloom]

yea im not feelin squish or anything sok i am rly just wondering why its meta

[bleak breach]

MT is simming higher for me now anyway. I’m 4/8m

[bleak breach]

Honestly no idea

[north bloom]

i have way more success on my vdh in pugs even tho i feel more squishy on vdh and im wayyyy better at vdh

might be a get good angle