protection

[warm plinth]

If the item doesn't say "Unique-Embellished" then you should be able to embellish it

[pallid quiver]

Movers at the top of the Elvui window

[jagged gust]

movers tab at the top

[winged grail]

ty

ty

ty

[lime mantle]

Yeah but It was more on the
"All non embellishments..." comment like, charged facesmacher, charged slicer and everforged are both embellishable so they got no difference

[warm plinth]

ElvUI will take some getting used to but it's very very very customizable

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, all those would be literally exactly the same affect on your damage if they had the same primary and secondary stat

[jagged gust]

took me ages to finish my elvui profile, but i wouldn't trade it for anything at this point

[pallid quiver]

They are functionally identical other than mog and the profession skills needed to craft

[fiery gale]

yeah I'd really reccommend grabbing some pre-made UI that you like though, and then adapt it even more to your liking. At least as a start

[winged grail]

yeah I just spent like a hour and a half getting my stuff set up

then it 100% reset with elvui XD

keybinds and all

[fiery gale]

instead of going with the bare version as it comes

[lime mantle]

Danke for the confirm 📿

[winged grail]

ah ok if I disable it, it all goes back to normal. I just wanted the cleaner looking action bars and the proper health/rage instead of blizzard ui

ig I can save ss and redo everything on elvui copying it

piece by piece

[jagged gust]

in elvui, you can disable whatever you want

so if you dont want your bars to change, disable action bars in elvui

[winged grail]

I think I have everything I want disabled

can you see anything else you'd recommend?

maybe hide quest and enable M+ timers

[jagged gust]

I mean, personally I prefer to not have much clutter

[winged grail]

yeah this is terrible honestly

[winged grail]

oh I like this

[winged grail]

is this 7 diff action bars resized?

[jagged gust]

yeah 7 showing, got a couple hidden bars for non rotational macros as well

[winged grail]

I like that details look also

is that transparent?

wait how did you get fps to show? is that elvui thing?

[jagged gust]

nah, transparent was a little odd for me

Yeah you can customize your bottom bars for a ton of different trackers

[winged grail]

Low key can you do me a solid brother, can you give me your import?

when I turn on elvui its super overwhelming lol

if elvui has profiles, I didnt even look

ive been in the ui for like 3hours XD

[jagged gust]

It is an absolute wall of text, ill dm it

[pallid quiver]

ur a wall

gottem

[jagged gust]

never exported before, i assume profile is all you need but there's another like 5 options

[winged grail]

I want everything possible

if possible

[jagged gust]

lmao it exceeds character limit for messages

incoming walls

[winged grail]

im so over doing this ui

lol

[jagged gust]

I'm using nomer's WA btw, so you'll either have to enable tracking your rage bar or get a similar WA

[carmine plover]

is there any chance dracthyr prot warrior is better than dwarf?

[jagged gust]

Dwarf has bleed removal, scalies have speed

[carmine plover]

and some more cc

[jagged gust]

do they still?

[carmine plover]

yeah just the 1. wing vbuffet

knock back, not up

[jagged gust]

Everything was moved to their class tree I thought

ah

[tawdry seal]

Any tips on gathering packs? I feel completely helpless, no grip, sigil or plate silence like other tanks have, caster mobs are just standing in place and infinitely casting
I guess as prot I heavily rely on team to help with gather?

[jagged gust]

in group I just ask the rogue to tricks of the trade and garrote spam

in pugs I just pull smaller, single casters you can solo kick to group

I can't remember precisely if you needed to recraft with a different missive or lower rank tbh

not just rings either, works for weapon slots iirc

[vague badge]

Uhhhh I wanna hear that trick too

[jagged gust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1g5j52c/double_dipping_gilded_crests_a_cheeky_way_to_pump/

[vague badge]

Hmmm. Bannable or not, that’s the question

[keen star]

unlikely

[winged grail]

ok finally finishing up ui, anyone got some reccomended tank/warr add ons?

[keen star]

https://wago.io/ByZ-PDd0m

[winged grail]

lmfao

anyone know how to get omnicd to show ally cd's on the left instead of right?

its right by default

I think I got it

ill have to get into a party to test

[jagged gust]

I use nomers for rage/VO/Buff tracking, his ability tracker (personally I have it disabled) Is really neat, it colour codes abilities

Like if SS resets, it'll glow green and set your revenge to a low visibility red so you don't accidentally cast it

[winged grail]

normers wa?

does it sync with elvui

[edgy bone]

This is Kirawarrior's breakdown from a +14 Grim Batol, how is spell reflect #2 on his damage breakdown? He did 232mil with it and it's 14% of his total damage. On my +12 I did 120mil at 7%

What is he spell reflecting that I'm not, or is his team just better about letting the specific spells through

[solemn pumice]

probably latter

[winged grail]

not enough neckbeard

[jagged gust]

Nomeratur, local theorycrafter and wowhead guide writer. It's a WA so it's separate from elvui

[winged grail]

I need a wa so ill go check it out

[winged grail]

Oh I tried this already, its the one that wont move as group for me

super frustrating

[solemn pumice]

Is there a spell reflect WA that yells im reflecting something specific or am i forced to just macro /yell into spell reflect and risk dogshit casts to go through because pugs dont know what spell i mean

[winged grail]

why do you need to tell team your spell reflecting?

[solemn pumice]

Because if i dont, i press spell reflect and they interrupt

because pugs are animals

[winged grail]

ah

I just assumed youd spell reflect only uninterruptable things

prob would be best for ease in pugs

[solemn pumice]

Nah bro, spell reflect is free damage

[jagged gust]

You can see the buff tracker+rage/VO in the middle between my HP and enemy target, literally any decent prot war package should have something like that included. idk why it's not moving as a package though, works for me

[winged grail]

yeah getting your dps to relearn to not interrupt things

mid fights

I dont see it happening at all

[jagged gust]

I can't even get my group to resist the urge to kick my reflects

[keen star]

I tried making one and it usually had no effect other than spamming because people won't be able to figure out what exactly you're reflecting when there's multiple casts going off or chaos in general

[solemn pumice]

If it lets one out of ten cast their shit bolt into me only to get it reflected back, im all about it

[winged grail]

yeah thats like actually impossible

I wouldnt even try

thats a premade thing

[solemn pumice]

I guess no one has made a "spell reflecting xxxx bolt"

[winged grail]

they just com it

in voice chat

try linking discord at start of each pug tbh

[solemn pumice]

Yes but im not talking about premades

im pugging

fuck that shit

[jagged gust]

Spell Reflect Essential should have a /s reflecting trigger

[solemn pumice]

im not linking anything to those animals

[keen star]

I made one that /says when I'm reflecting an interruptible cast, lemme see if I can also add the spell's name to it

[winged grail]

anyone use any mouseovers for say example herioc throwing?

[jagged gust]

There's even one that reports the damage done on reflect, kinda fun but a little spammy

[winged grail]

you got one that gives a nice timer for sb and stuff?

i'll have to disect one ig bc I alr set up hp rage etc with elvui

[jagged gust]

I just made one that's a TTS that tells you when you've capped SB charges for someone earlier

[jagged gust]

I literally just ripped apart Nomer's package and stripped out everything but the ragebar and buff trackers

[winged grail]

here we go again lol

[solemn pumice]

I just randomly checked my SB uptime, with the roar build i couldnt break 86% for the life of me, first key on the build someone in here linked, i hit 96, yay im not turbo dogwater at the game

[jagged gust]

hell yeah brother

progress

[solemn pumice]

Now to overcome the anxiety of gilded keys.

Will be a tomorrow type of thing

if i get invited lma

lmao

[jagged gust]

I can't bring myself to pug anymore, not dealing with shenanigans of any sort if I can help it this season

[winged grail]

wdym +8 or higher?

[tribal wharf]

people are saying it only saves you 30 crests

i dont see the deal

[pastel summit]

How comfy are you in lower keys?

[inner wren]

i was doing 10s at 609 im sure u will be fine

[jagged gust]

120 if you use this strat for both rings and weapons

[tribal wharf]

well, if you did exactly that on entire warband (main 4)

maybe then 24 hour or warning or some crap

if its just some pepega and he saved himself 60 crests somehow, but he doesnt really know how or why (or even that he is ahead) who cares

[keen star]

this simple aura should work, it might just be annoying but you can try https://pastebin.com/E845pAfP

[tribal wharf]

the first one is complaining about keystones...

i think my big issue is being on the timer

[simple drum]

This game owns except for mythic+, everything else is wonderful

[tribal wharf]

keys have always been kisscurse part of wow

[inner wren]

m+ is chad

raid is pukers

[tribal wharf]

they both suck ass and are the best dungeon content ever at same time

[keen star]

TWW made me hate healer players somehow

so many of them are worthless and shouldn't be in keys

especially resto druid mains

[solemn pumice]

fairly comfy, but ive been comfy since i started. Took one day of delving and was 602 then, so that might be reason

[keen star]

but then again I've been spamming +8 to gear up alts so I've only been playing with the worst of the worst of puggers

[solemn pumice]

All healers are crybabies that need to stfu

you get a break after key

sit down fotm shaman nerd

[tribal wharf]

i think if there is supposed to be a timer for keys, it should be applied in say heroics with only the timer and the timer does nothing else beside an achievement, you ran this dungeon in under the par time

[keen star]

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[solemn pumice]

cant wait to test it

[keen star]

just does this

overrated imo

[solemn pumice]

listen

as long as it lets

a single cast

out of ten go through

im happy

[keen star]

yea

I have yet to reflect the 1st mists boss this expansion

[solemn pumice]

bro i know right

first one is always tank it seems

just

let it through

i beg

[keen star]

"Interrupted Ingra Maloch's Spirit Bolt!"

[trim hill]

I just type reflect then me kick before pulling

[solemn pumice]

I might make a macro with those exact words in it

and then leave key if its interrupted

[wintry gate]

😭

[tribal wharf]

its not like spell reflect has its own special animations or sounds or enything right................

[keen star]

I'm thinking the weakaura could mark the mob that you're about to reflect and say like "Reflecting blue 🟦 "

[solemn pumice]

would be huge

honestly

[wintry gate]

That could just be a macro not a weakaura

[strong forum]

If it's a macro

It'll say that even if you do not have SR ready

Or if you spam it, it'll spam the say

So you're just annoying/baiting with it if you hammer

Weakaura only works on successful cast

Way less cancer

[keen star]

it works but idk it should check whether the raid marker is free or not but I'm kinda too lazy for that

[strong forum]

I just say reflecting

Nobody pays attention to you anyway cuz they aren't warrior mains

[keen star]

yea this is automated

[strong forum]

So they don't give a fuck

[keen star]

I'm gonna try a key with that

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but not today

[strong forum]

(often you also don't specifically reflect blue cuz there's like 300 casts going on)

[wintry gate]

I mean a macro wouldn’t be bad just put the macro on your normal spell reflect button, you could mark the mob, cast the sr, and say that shit in /say all at the same time

[strong forum]

I myself atleast keep an eye on multiple casts

In theory yes

[keen star]

yes on AoE it will needlessly spam

[strong forum]

In practice, kinda hard to want to maintain

[keen star]

I've met worse spammers so I won't feel bad for a little spamming

like a shaman every 15 seconds or so /saying how much his cloudburst totem has healed

[hexed stream]

i tried out colosus in raid last night and hooooooooleeeee pressing revenge back to back into a huge trash pack like 50 x in a row feels good haha

[stuck basin]

i just yell spell reflect on press per makro - usually it still get kicked anyways - even in guild group when i tell them not to kick if its targeting me on mob/boss x

[keen star]

also I'll have to manually filter the weakaura to only harmful casts and not like "mending web" while being targetted

[tender reef]

Based

[summer flax]

if a DK kicks a spell im reflecting, i just move out of his DnD for rest of the dungeon

[craggy stream]

hey, general question about shields. Thought it was the biggest upgrade you could get, but now that i went from 606 shield to crafted 619, the differences in stats are neglible? Against dummy my armour is now 1% more effective (56% dr instead of 55%) and my block value is 1.5% higher. Am i missing something or are those numbers actually quite significant?

[strong forum]

What kinda dummy

Cuz that matters

[craggy stream]

crystalmaw tank dummy

left of single target dps dummy

[strong forum]

And what did the block dmg reduction change from

From say 30 to 31.5% or what did it say

[craggy stream]

40.83% to 42.6% (i looked at the wrong number first mb)

[strong forum]

Yeah so for 13ilvl on just the shield, you now take effectively almost ~5% less dmg

[craggy stream]

yeah okay if you put it that way, the increase from 40 to 42 is about 5% then its pretty good

[strong forum]

Yeah cuz 10% of 40% is 4% right

So your block just got almost 5% stronger, which is kinda our primary thing

[craggy stream]

yeah i was thinking of absolute change at first whops

[strong forum]

And the higher you go in dmg reduction, the stronger individual reductions become

Cuz going from 98 to 99% dmg reduction is only 1% total dmg reduction

But 50% effective reduction

Cuz instead of 2 dmg, you only take 1

[craggy stream]

makes perfect sense, thank you kindly

[daring copper]

Hey guys! At what % haste should i be focusing more on other stats? got 39% with into the fray right now

[winged grail]

your application to +7 has been deined as a prot warrior? the most meta class of the most desired role. your doing something wrong

[strong forum]

Uuuh I think around 25k haste is when I'd hard pivot away

[winged grail]

probably need to do yours 6's first

[strong forum]

Like hard hard

[daring copper]

all right, so with 10k left to go i still should enchant rings for haste?

[winged grail]

10k left you better keep it

[strong forum]

Certainly can't go wrong with it

[winged grail]

thats a day worth of repair bills

[strong forum]

Haste is the most useful stat for us defensively

And offensively you can just sim

[daring copper]

Ok, thanks guys! loving this disc

[strong forum]

[fast oracle]

are we better off with embellished shield + bracers or embellished shield + 1h?

[oak ivy]

Okay so I've either never noticed or never seen this but we're doing NW, kill all the adds, Final Harvest goes off and we just start ticking for boatloads. Is there a way to avoid this; are we doing something wrong? Or just healer check

[hexed stream]

it's jsut the mechanic

[oak ivy]

dayum. Timed an 11 in that dungeon without noticing that and just bricked an 8 to it

[hexed stream]

i dunno if the CC'd add does this though

[tropic tangle]

haven't tried it, but CC'd add should be fine like it was in SL

[regal dune]

Just got up to 90 Gilded Crest again. Any advice on how to spend them?
I have 636 crafted shield from the first 90. All gear is Hero track, no Myth.
Should I do another 636 craft for sword/bracer/belt? Or start upgrading Hero gear to 5/6 & 6/6?

[tribal wharf]

i just think keys as dps and declined is name a more iconic duo

[hexed stream]

if it were me, and im currently doing this on a toon, i would (if you can) wait to open your vault before upgrading and 4/6 hero gear and you have mythic vault slots

but you can sometimes fomo upgrading almost anything like that, so take that with a grain of salt

[jagged gust]

"But what about next week"

[smoky anvil]

I fucking hate bricking keys to stupid shit

[regal dune]

Appreciate it. Yeah, I haven't done many 10+ keys yet, only 1 this week, so Myth slots in the Vault aren't really a thing for me. Maybe I just focus there, with what I have atm though. Try to get at least 2 slots up to Myth.

[jagged gust]

Double dipping with rings never a bad idea, your off-tier armor piece/boots, lots of choices

[smoky anvil]

dude fell off 1st boss platform in ara-kara

[jagged gust]

hope you clipped it

[smoky anvil]

I did not

[jagged gust]

can send it in to the blooper reel

[inner wren]

is that really a brick tho

[smoky anvil]

when other people leave

it is

[inner wren]

you can full team wipe a boss in 10s and still time

[hexed stream]

if you are far enough out from queen to charge her, and you charge after the grip in any stage of the fight, does it kill you?

the only one im worried about si the death circle

[jagged gust]

I should start recording the highest amount of group wipes while still timing, for an 8 I bet it's something close to 6

[bitter zealot]

Noob question again should I always have ignore pain up? And if so does it need to be at max? Or should I just use it for a rage dump and that's all?

[shrewd ore]

use as rage dump, uptime doesnt matter

[bitter zealot]

How do u make the choice between using revenge or IP. Say like I pull a big pack. Should I focus in IP spending over revenge?

[hexed stream]

well.....in ST bosses i sometimes feel like im struggling to generate even enough to cap lol. 10 and up shit just white swings your ignore pains so quick haha

[shrewd ore]

always ip, with thane u nearly never need to press revenge

[winged grail]

more than once

ive timed keys with 20deaths

[hexed stream]

i would personally not get too used to pressing revenge as thane, higher up you get trucked so hard that wasting rage on revenge can become a bit of a problem lol

[strong forum]

You do but you don't notice it as much

[strong forum]

It's not a waste, revenge is your SS reset tool. What kills you is not lack of IP, it's empty globals what kills you

[bitter zealot]

So should I just wait for clap to come off CD? Even if I don't have a SS reset?

[strong forum]

No.

thats precisely what will get you killed

[shrewd ore]

ur pressing something every global or ur playing wrong

if you can't press anything u fucked up ur rage management

[strong forum]

^

[dusty sierra]

is there any talent tree you guys would recommend taking?

[hexed stream]

do you never have like, ST encounters where your getting just giga starved of rage?

[lone hearth]

what weapon enchant for aoe?

for m+ rather

[bitter zealot]

So say like I have 50 rage i have block up IP is on no SS reset and clap is on CD. Should I use revenge or save the rage?

[strong forum]

Not if you play well

[shrewd ore]

no

[hexed stream]

is that because im not resetting my SS because im dumping into IP?

[strong forum]

Revenge

[bitter zealot]

Is there a rage range i shouldn't use revenge?

[shrewd ore]

you may be over dumping into IP, only use when ur next ability would cap you

[strong forum]

There's no rage range where you avoid revenge, only a point where you don't IP

[shrewd ore]

you should always press revenge if ss and clap are on cd

[lone hearth]

whats the best weapon enchant for m+?

[shrewd ore]

depths is a bit more st, radiant is bit more overall

[strong forum]

Depths for raw dmg, radiant for all-rounder

[dusty sierra]

Any general base M+ talent tree you guys would recommend me take?

[bitter zealot]

The point you don't IP is under 65 rage if I remember correctly?

[strong forum]

My builds are on wowhead

[shrewd ore]

#protection-faq

[strong forum]

I recommend those

[shrewd ore]

technically it depends on your next global, but roughly at rage cap - 30

[strong forum]

Nah its not that black and white, sometimes you can IP at 35 rage because you have 7 stacks of seeing red and have SS ready, so you can immediately spend 35 rage to get 45back right after cuz the IP+SS will proc outburst

[south zealot]

not “wasting” rage

[strong forum]

Also depends on if avatar is ready in 3 or 4 seconds

[south zealot]

bad way to look at it

[hexed stream]

maybe its cos my toon was a tiny bit undre geared for some of the 10s and was taking more dmg so was dumping more rage into mit. but some of the bosses just seem to clear ip as soon as you apply it

[strong forum]

If avatar is ready in 3 seconds and you have 35 rage, you can IP -> avatar -> TB

Cuz Avatar resets TC and procs 2x TB

[south zealot]

trying to keep ignore pain up always is a bad way to play

[shrewd ore]

ur never dumping "more rage" into mit, perfect gameplay has the best mitigation

perfect dps gameplay*

[bitter zealot]

I been doing it wrong today for sure then I been trying to keep IP on max

[strong forum]

Nah, gear is not a reason "to pimp more into IP"

You should take a look at your rotation, keylevel or content changes absolutely NOTHING how pwar plays

[bitter zealot]

I feel like without a few "stacks" of IP I been getting beat on by mobs

[shrewd ore]

legit only rotational changes would be if you run massacre + ITF for raid and need to save some shield block charges for when ur tanking the boss

[strong forum]

Well yeah, but IP should be a natural byproduct of a good rotation

[hexed stream]

so if you have block up, its not important if you dont havbe any ip at all, youre still spending rage on not missing globals?

[strong forum]

You will have IP up by playing optimally

There's no "I don't have IP but I play well"

You either play well or you don't

As rude as it sounds

[hexed stream]

thats...not exactly what i was saying with that question but ok

[strong forum]

Missing globals is what gets you killed

[bitter zealot]

That's fine I'm trying to learn prot and new to tank so I'm fine with harsh advice

[strong forum]

So by not missing globals, you will generate more rage

[shrewd ore]

when the key level is high enough, ur IP will just deplete on some pulls, but that's not an issue since you can't force IP to be up with a good rotation

[strong forum]

Which leads to more ignore pain and more cds

[summer flax]

just macro IP and SB to shield slam

[strong forum]

More cds means more good

[jovial saffron]

is there any haste cap?

[strong forum]

More good means happy

[shrewd ore]

that's very bad xd

[zealous goblet]

mr nome could you enlighten me please

[jovial saffron]

or we stack it forever?

[zealous goblet]

i could not find or get an answer

[strong forum]

You can't reach the haste cap this season

[winged grail]

oh wow so we have like zero self healing back outside of the 25sec cd iv?

[strong forum]

It's like way north of 30k

[strong forum]

Leech and indomitable

[shrewd ore]

Indomitable heals u for rage spent

[winged grail]

for rage spent ah nice

maybe noob gear no leech

[strong forum]

You get 8% leech for free

[shrewd ore]

u get 5% leech on tree

[strong forum]

By being prot warrior

[shrewd ore]

or sth like that yea

[winged grail]

yeah I got 8% lol

[bitter zealot]

So for the most part as long as my block is up I don't need IP up 100% of every pull

[strong forum]

Then 3% from enchants

So you have 11% leech without fail

[winged grail]

my healer was bad (only in normals lvling 70-80)

and it was miserable

[hexed stream]

i think i was maybe baited by the dorky vid early on that kind of implied not to press revenge really unless you have nothing else to press, which i interperated as only press this if youre on 0 charges of shield block and 100% ip

and nothing else to press

[strong forum]

You shouldn't need a healer in leveling dungeons

[zealous goblet]

does charge update your position in realtime or does it only calculate your end position? i was kiting mobs, and charged to the spellcasters when i was ready to go back in (stonevault armor shred mobs) and got one shot, and i don't know if it was because the melees are queued up at once, or if i technically showed my back by charging spellcasters.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nYKxDVCMZG9fNBgQ#fight=14&type=deaths&source=632&start=30739970&end=30850195&death=1

[strong forum]

You can literally solo the entire dungeon

[winged grail]

for some reason this last dungeon was hitting like a truckl

wish I knew the name of it

the one where you go down the hole

big circle and boss then go down

idk the non M+ dungeons

[dusty sierra]

The Rookery?

[winged grail]

I think so]

wasnt taking dmg until that dungeon

[hexed stream]

oh the last trash in stormhold or whatever if pulled all together than sometimes scale a bit out of control

[strong forum]

Then I'd recommend the rotation guide on wowhead

[shrewd ore]

IP is basically complete independent of your normal prio of ss > tc > revenge and just occasionally resets your SS

[hexed stream]

ty

[winged grail]

thunderclap, ss and with ip/sb no?

[hexed stream]

im pretty sure thats what he meant, but i misunderstood it

[craggy stream]

could some seasoned prot tell me whats their/normal % uptime on shield block across a dungeon? thank you in advance

[strong forum]

My uptime is yes

[craggy stream]

understandable

[winged grail]

how do you check?

[shrewd ore]

tbh if you understand what pressing IP does for you with all the prot warr passives & proccs, you understand 95% of why the rotation is done how it is

[craggy stream]

buff uptime on details

[winged grail]

ahh

[summer flax]

over 95% good, under 90% bad, 91-94 ok

[strong forum]

You can get hit in the back by charging

[hexed stream]

yeah i flex lot of different classes so i miss some depth with some of them

[craggy stream]

great, thanks

[bitter zealot]

Also another dumb question probably but when I charge into a pull should I use avatar SB then tc?

[hexed stream]

some of the dungeons have a lot of rp downtime stuff, so take that into account 😛

[zealous goblet]

right so i just ate like 15 unblocked, unmitigated hits by charging past em?

[hexed stream]

theres a lot of flying in DB

[strong forum]

Yeah don't do that

[fair hollow]

Dumb question but new to prot. For final boss in Grim Batol, I know we can use spell reflect to neuter the tentacles root while we reposition boss. Is this only for a single tentacle i walk over or do I have until reflect times out to cross through tentacles ? I dont want to test this out just to end up bricking someones key so figured I would ask here

[shrewd ore]

99% with heavy, around 90% with ITF, depends a bit on pull length ofc

[zealous goblet]

yeah ok my friend was trying to tell me i died because i didnt have swarmlord's or some shit

[strong forum]

For as long as SR is up

[fair hollow]

thanks

[hexed stream]

no you can walk through as many as you want before the block ends

[winged grail]

wtf

really

[fair hollow]

awesome, makes my job easier. thanks for the quick replies

[zealous goblet]

and i tried to explain that i fundementally misplayed if i die instantly and its not a defensive thing or w/.e

[hexed stream]

sorry reflect** not block

[winged grail]

reflect does all spells within the time?

[mellow arch]

For tentacles

[shrewd ore]

no

[craggy stream]

ah even better, thank you!

[mellow arch]

Since it doesn’t proc

[winged grail]

oh tentacles doesnt proc it for some reason?

[hexed stream]

i should not say block, because spell block DOES NOT work, i made that mistake the first time testing it as well

[mellow arch]

Because it’s not a spell cast on you

[strong forum]

Yeah charge + avatar + SB > tc > Demo > spear/roar >

[winged grail]

interesting

that seems like a bug

[strong forum]

I wouldn't declare it that easily

Yeah it's more a bug than intended

[shrewd ore]

it's just blizzardTM consistent coding

[winged grail]

yeah I heard prot warr was bypassing a lot of M+ abilities

[mellow arch]

Functions just like bubble does for pally

[hexed stream]

god that key is so much fun as prot, all the unkickable reflects

[winged grail]

which it shouldnt

at all

lol

[strong forum]

Yeah no that's not how SR works generally

It's not a debuff immunity for multiple things

[winged grail]

says specifically 1 ability and we got a pally bubble xD

[mellow arch]

Just for that one occasion

[strong forum]

It's clearly a bug to deflect the tentacle root

[zealous goblet]

any recommendations on how to extend a chain pull without turning around? heroic leap and charge back to original pack? or slow kite towards it?

[strong forum]

Infinite times

[winged grail]

I hear a lot of things in a lot of places though

not just that one thing

[strong forum]

I got a beautiful video for you

[hexed stream]

well, theres also been times where you were able to make packs all cast at the same time, and reflect every single one but im not aware of any this pool that are particularly juicy like that

[strong forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LVrzlfewxUY

[zealous goblet]

i look forward to seeing it.

[strong forum]

There's a section I recorded

On how to gather packs

[zealous goblet]

which part specifically

[bitter zealot]

Thank you! One last thing should I overlap SB?

[shrewd ore]

it can stack up to 3x base duration, so you can yes

[strong forum]

Last minute

[zealous goblet]

what fucking key level is this guy pulling

thats fucking terrifiyng

also got it, use my heroic leap a little better

[strong forum]

That's me

[zealous goblet]

what key level is that

[strong forum]

It's me solo in m0

[zealous goblet]

i think my friends would fucking execute me irl if i pulled that entire hallway

[strong forum]

That was before keys opened

[zealous goblet]

ok thank god lmao

[strong forum]

And no I didn't die

[bitter zealot]

So it's fine to have 2 charges up if my SB is good?

[strong forum]

You'll never run into the situation of having 2 SB charges ready and you're in combat

That's just not a thing

[bitter zealot]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

You send SB as you need, you don't have to worry about "overlapping"

Just send SB if you tank mobs

[zealous goblet]

yeah you need to have those perma on cd unless you're at 24 secs of shield block from HR and shit

[mellow arch]

I’d be concerned for sb uptime then

[shrewd ore]

if u want brainafk and have heavy repecussion just press it on cd

[zealous goblet]

im unsure if im a classic andy or what but i'm paranoid about the side strafing. can you block 180 degrees or is it more of a 90 degree thing?

[strong forum]

270°

[zealous goblet]

because getting dazed gave me giga cancer

IT'S THAT GENEROUS?

FUCK OFF

NO

[strong forum]

Not entirely certain

But it's sure as shit larger than 180

[mellow arch]

Just not directly in the back is my rule of thumb

[zealous goblet]

THIS NEEDS TESTING BECAUSE IF THATS TRUE IM SO FUCKING SAD

[deft mortar]

tonight

deep in the night

[zealous goblet]

i was going off classic dazes basically this entire time

[strong forum]

I mean you can see it

[deft mortar]

Ima do my dawnbreaker 12

It will be my first 12

[zealous goblet]

(180)(

[mellow arch]

You got this

[zealous goblet]

so i hated side strafing

[deft mortar]

LFG!!

[strong forum]

In that video I have dmg taken on my healthbar

And it shows if dmg is blocked

90% of the Hits I took there are all blocked

And the jump strafing is so I can move quicker

[mellow arch]

Slam it up!!!

[zealous goblet]

dude this is as big as finding out shield block stacked this just reinvigorated my spirit

[strong forum]

Whilst still blocking

I find that not enough tanks do the jump strafing

And it's infuriating

[zealous goblet]

does jumping affect anything?

[strong forum]

You can turn

Without losing speed

[deft mortar]

I've seen Kirawarrior tank dungeons

I aint that guy

[zealous goblet]

oh thats what you mean

[strong forum]

It's to preserve momentum

While having freedom of turning towards the enemy

[deft mortar]

I am no stranger to kiting mobs due to Legion trauma but that coordination is sorta insane

[zealous goblet]

i was sure i'd hate retail because i thought you motherfuckers were repeatedly tracking 8 sec shield block when i first started, and my pet peeve with classic was having a 2 min battle shout so i was about to tell the game and friends to take a hike

when i first started

many moons ago

[deft mortar]

I swear to you my man I track nothing and I aim still top 1% prot warr

[strong forum]

Yeah nah, nowadays we have this thing called "quality of life" and "basic human rights"

Compared to whatever classic was

[zealous goblet]

FUCKING AUTO MOD

[strong forum]

Classic is more dnd and turn based combat than a video game

It makes sense from a dnd perspective, but not from video game perspective

[zealous goblet]

UNLESS YOU'RE A WOMAN IN THE OFFICE... THEN YOU NEED TO SET UP A SECURITY SYSTEM FOR YOUR....... MAMMAL MILK..? IS THIS OK MR AUTOMOD? IN THE FRIDGE APPARENTLY.
because blizzard devs are just weird like that i guess

ok it worked

guys slang for booba is auto modded

i trigger that shit daily i swear to god

[deft mortar]

What in the f did I just read

[strong forum]

Stealing breastmilk

Basically

[zealous goblet]

me getting rage capped from automod holding me down

[deft mortar]

Oh Blizzard stuff

Is automod some addon

[zealous goblet]

no

it's just a thing that prevents you from saying naughty no no words without the mods having to babysit the chat as har

d

it just is overcompensational in nature and neglects context, as it should, because it's an automatic tool

and since i cuss like a sailor i run into it a lot

[strong forum]

Automod is automatic moderator in discord

Also known as a bot

[frail ibex]

Am I wrong for thinking the monk and locks damage is low for the very first pull of wake?

Its a 13

or was a 13

[zealous goblet]

i only play prot warrior so idk

[strong forum]

What the fuck

[zealous goblet]

[strong forum]

Well okay depends

[zealous goblet]

yeah your healer doing 200k is unacceptable tell him to respec and reenter. people should just use health pot and cookie

[strong forum]

Did the gatekeeper die

Or, did anything die

[frail ibex]

After about 40 seconds

[deft mortar]

Here's my 626 Sureki

[frail ibex]

So I dont think it was being killed

[deft mortar]

And my stamina gems xd

[strong forum]

Ww is hard capped iirc, so ultra pulls are shitty for it

[zealous goblet]

use 3 star gems poor person

[strong forum]

Ret is infinite aoe spamm

[zealous goblet]

jk

[strong forum]

And the affli is probably turbo single targeting the gatekeeper

Check dmg done on gate keeper

[deft mortar]

Legit cant afford 3 star gems/enchants

[strong forum]

But they could also just be bad!

[deft mortar]

Blizz won't let me buy wow tokens lol

[frail ibex]

I did 25mil to the gatekeeper the monk did 43mil lock 30mil and ret did 25

[strong forum]

💀

Okay so just bad

[deft mortar]

Bro your ret

????

Ohh he is just spamming divine storm

[strong forum]

Well he should

[frail ibex]

Pull basically just lived too long and I died I could have lept out but that first pull living a minute is kind of a brick in itself on a 13

[strong forum]

Ret is there for aoe blast

[deft mortar]

Light blender

The monk tho wtf

I miss running as Rogue / WW / Hunt / Prot Warr ngl

[strong forum]

Ye the pull has to kinda die, after a minute you then gotta kite the stacked vanguards

Gatekeeper has to die insta tho

Rest is mostly just fodder

[frail ibex]

Yeah got 2 casts off

[strong forum]

💀

2 casts is wild

[deft mortar]

What level is this, did an 12 NW gateekeeper wasn''t doing much dmg

[frail ibex]

Lol

[south zealot]

2 is okay 3 is doomed

2 is "okay"

[frail ibex]

The record is 4 on a 12.....

[strong forum]

Last time I did NW we had assa and the keeper didn't even finish 1

[deft mortar]

Bruh

[strong forum]

That thing was gone insta

[south zealot]

sin has been sleeper op since 10.1.5

[strong forum]

But then again, I don't do push keys

[deft mortar]

You can also just skip gatekeeper

[strong forum]

Cuz fuuuck that

[strong forum]

Free count

[frail ibex]

I love push keys but man I just wanna time 12 wake

[deft mortar]

I am tryna pug all 12s

[frail ibex]

so many bricks

[strong forum]

They're standard 1st pull now

[deft mortar]

It takes alotta patience

[strong forum]

It's double/triple pack onto gatekeeper + lust

Very efficient pull

[deft mortar]

Ngl the 3rd pack next to gatekeeper does 2M dps on me

[strong forum]

But also the hardest pull in the game

[deft mortar]

Alone by itself

[strong forum]

Yes it's not an easy pull

But efficient

It's the single hardest pull in keys rn

By a landslide

[shrewd ore]

u need to use the shield

[strong forum]

(also the only dangerous pull to pwar)

[lone hearth]

its not free count then lol

[shrewd ore]

if u have good dps the pull isn't that hard

[strong forum]

The gatekeeper itself is free

[deft mortar]

A paladin that dispells*

[strong forum]

The stuff you pull onto the gatekeeper

Is what makes it challenging

[deft mortar]

You can get 2 Frost DKs and 1 Augment and it becomes trivial tbh

But Augment on last boss xd

[shrewd ore]

its fine

[strong forum]

It 2.30 I should sleep

[shrewd ore]

i did nw 12 on my aug

[strong forum]

Need to blast more dbz tomorrow

[deft mortar]

its 8:30 pm in Canada

toronto

[strong forum]

[jagged gust]

See now I have to read everything you type with a Toronto accent

[bitter zealot]

Ran a 7 taking the advice I got here it felt much better my uptime on IP was 84% and revenge was 6% of my dmg.

Tho in Grin Batol how do you handle those enforcers when they get huge. They were chunkin me

[south zealot]

stun them

[bitter zealot]

I do with bolt and Shockwave

[south zealot]

need to have their debuff from attacking fall off

[bitter zealot]

I ended up leaping away

[south zealot]

so u can stun and walk away

for a sec

[bitter zealot]

The pull had 2 of em so all I could think of was run

[grand ingot]

Anyone know of a group wide aoe stops weak aura I've seen some people use? Technically could do it with omni but standalone seems better

[jagged gust]

Does MRT work in parties? Because that's how I track them in raid

[deft mortar]

Damn listed my 12 Dawnbreaker instantly 100 players all above 625 and 2.6k

lol

[frosty mango]

I pulled the gatekeeper into the 2 side packs and someone ass pulled the middle pack

[jagged gust]

Isn't 2.6k something like most 10s done?

[frosty mango]

So many cds

[deft mortar]

yeah I think all 10s done

so not alot but alotta of thsee guys are also 2.8k

[frosty mango]

2.6 is all 10s and 1 11

Diff between 10 and 12 is pretty big

[deft mortar]

ye that's be like 50-60%

Im 2669 with 5 11s and 3 10s

[grim grotto]

is the craftet shield with crit/vers + vers procc worth for m+? ( im not raiding )

[jagged gust]

no

[harsh trellis]

Hey gang, I am trying to make intervene work with a party member, is there a way I can macro it so when I press intervene it always just goes to 1 person?

Ive tried
#showtooltip Intervene
/use [@Navvox] intervene

and
#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@Navvox] intervene

[deft mortar]

I am pretty sure you can target your party by their party count

idk how tho

[harsh trellis]

yeah I just went with /target blahblah

[deft mortar]

just go

#showtooltip Intervene /target Navvos /cast Intervene /targetlasttarget

It should work the same

think u gotta face them or smth

[bitter zealot]

So i looked around can't find much is there some trick to making the first boss in dawnbreaker move dps put pools next to her so I tried to move her away but she kinda just stared at me

[fiery gale]

She doesn’t like to move yeah

Gotta just run away in good position and hope she follows

[buoyant lintel]

you have a small window to interrupt her before she starts standing still again

[fiery gale]

For next beam

[bitter zealot]

Frustrating felt like it was my fault we died cause I couldn't move her after the puddles dropped. Got the "crap tank" messages

[fiery gale]

Just ignore that lol

This season I got anything from „stop tanking bro“ to „insane tanking man“

[jagged gust]

It's better than before at least, she would just back to back cast and lockout melee

Absolute garbage fight when the puddles aren't out in africa

[frail ibex]

You dont move it

The fix is

hope your rdps and healer arent dogshit

[bitter zealot]

We had 3 mdps and a healer

[frail ibex]

did you set up the group?

[fiery gale]

Always blame it on the others

Rule #1

[bitter zealot]

But makes me feel better i was feeling good about playing prot last few runs but that dawnbreaker threw me

[bitter zealot]

Nah healer did

[fiery gale]

If they suck and you wipe just log off and back on 10 min later

[frail ibex]

healer fault for setting up blender comp

[fiery gale]

You’re tank, new grp found in a minute

[frail ibex]

Anyway this 12 wake first pull im about to do is deffo not gonna be my fault and everyone elses if it bricks

[bitter zealot]

Yea but if It was my fault I wouldn't want to ruin someone else's key before finding out what I did wrong

[jagged gust]

Fucking wild first pulls

[frail ibex]

I wasnt doing that mid pack

but in a 12 pull 2 got butt pulled at the start

[fiery gale]

That’s first pull goes pretty hard

[frail ibex]

so I figured I would pick the easier of the 2

[fiery gale]

But idk with the gatekeeper nerf how that feels

[frail ibex]

and just add it

Not bad if your dps arent bad

If gatekeeper dies I can just kite

deffo a comms kinda pull

[bitter zealot]

BTW quick question the up front beam dmg i take in that fight. Will spell reflect help against it?

[fiery gale]

Dawn?

[jagged gust]

SR is flat spell damage DR on top of the actual reflect

so even if it's not reflecting, you're still getting damage reduction from using it

[frail ibex]

Welp

That went well

[jagged gust]

welcome back

[fiery gale]

Brick?

[frail ibex]

Yeah

dk and healer died 13 seconds in

[fiery gale]

Hmm

[deft mortar]

A DK dying is insane

bros are THICC

as dps

they're paper as blood

[frail ibex]

Healer got hit with drain fluid and died

[jagged gust]

probably the worst person for it to go off on

[frail ibex]

these people are the worst -_-

[fiery gale]

What if you add the middle pack to pull 2 and the small melee dudes to 1

[fiery gale]

Yeah never happens

[frail ibex]

3 kicks

[fiery gale]

Pre gatekeeper nerf I liked to avoid all gatekeepers, don’t know how it feels now though

like this, BL at pull 4 with boss

[dry hawk]

what causes random ignore pain procs

[grim pilot]

Probably violent outburst is what you have on mind

[pallid quiver]

^^^^^ Almost certainly that, since Brutal Vit can't create an IP

or you somehow are below level 80 and have S1 DF tier equipped

[grim grotto]

i checked the guides and discord again. i thought it was a good way to go haste / vers for m+. now i see haste / crit. is haste / vers better, when i just wanna be tankier?

[fast oracle]

I'm about to get a runed crest to recraft with. Does it matter if I do shield or 1H first? Just go with the biggest ilvl jump?

[deft mortar]

aww man

DB 12 bricked at 1st boss after Boomie died

So we got pool in team

I moved out first time

2nd time trying to move her out I couldn't pop a defensive and got hit 12M

[proud dock]

in mists, do we pull thru wall if a pack has a guardian?

or avoid double pull with a guardian?

[jovial saffron]

finally me and my buddy closed a 12! we had several days of upping and depleting our keys since nobody was inviting us even with all the 11s done, i actually swapped from BDK and even with lower gear it's so much easier

[mighty valley]

shield is much more important for living, but i guess if your weapon was insanely bad vs. just gaining a few shield ilvls, you could justify weapon if more runed crests were in your future

[jagged gust]

vers is a general reduction on all damage incoming, crit = parry which is an overall melee damage reduction, it's not one or the other

Just sim for DPS because neither matter except in extremely niche situations, so may as well get the damage

[smoky anvil]

6/8 10s timed

got sob by 10 sec

[jagged gust]

I still need sob, healers have this habit of dispelling at the most hilariously troll times on the final boss

nothing funnier than seeing 2 melee's get yeeted directly in to the mouth of a kracken midfight

[frail ibex]

Man

12 wake

is going to be the death of me

0 deaths up to the 2nd boss

We get to him

Healer dies 3 times

boss wipes us at 1%

Was the perfect run to cause we were getting to 2nd boss with extra time

[smoky anvil]

we tried a +11 mists and we folded like paper on the last boss

so I can sympathize to an extent

I hate this week's affix

[deft mortar]

I hate the goddamn affix too

I wanna only do 12s and above

And maybe occasionally 11s if I must

[crude pumice]

Do i just grind lots of 4s to reach 619? isnt 619 a good standpoint to get invited to +10s pug standpoint

[deft mortar]

I mean duh

I love the buff

But hate having to think about it

Love it when she pops it on CoT last boss right as you get rooted

Or SoB 3rd boss amid wave casts

[jagged gust]

Technically should be doing 7s, gets you hero gear which saves you 15 runed crests per piece by starting at 610 ilvl, although I believe next week or maybe the next the cap will be high enough that it doesn't matter beyond saving you several runs

[violet ginkgo]

how so? because no ranged dps or something?

[frail ibex]

No because I am looking for 12s only

and then they show up

[jagged gust]

I thought you were offended by their boldness lol

Like you gonna just go ahead and time an 11, huh? Gonna run it back with a 12, eh? Fools gonna brick on the first pull smh

[frail ibex]

Not really

You just need your 3 dps to not be dumb and actually hit their buttons

true

[deft mortar]

Failed like 4 12s so far

[heavy sparrow]

hey guys

I need help[

which trinkets should I replace?

[jagged gust]

sim to be sure, but gland

as long as similar ilvls

[drifting dagger]

Colossus was kinda fun in the key I did.. demolish does big fuck dam but def less tanky prolly poor play honestly

[azure dagger]

whats the best point to swap out to get disrupting shout...

[drifting dagger]

Bloodsurge

[azure dagger]

That was my though ttoo, ty

[silent carbon]

hey guys, on ara kara final boss trash what can i do against the slow and is it possible to leap away from the "big bang" of final boss?

[tepid furnace]

Yea u can jump fron it

[viral turret]

Wierd i get draggen in directly again, but maybe jump a /1 sec before ?

[viral turret]

?

[dusk tendon]

Hey guys, could someone take a Look on which item I should get asap to Improve my Gear? (Except the shield)

https://raider.io/characters/eu/thrall/Lonbaiwarri

[vague badge]

shield slam is higher priority than plain thunderclap, even in aoe, right?

[remote tusk]

Yes..

[tepid furnace]

yep, you will feel a pressure and then jump out

Before jump im always close to boss

[dusk tendon]

You can Jump at Like 0.8seconds before the cast end

Then you are safe

[viral turret]

how close ? maybe im too close then , when i do the jump it draggs me straight down again but ill try with like 0.8 befoore

[dusk tendon]

I am literally standing in the boss

And then just jump at like 1 second

[viral turret]

hmm okok shouldnt be that then, im propb jumping straight on the bang, need to be like 1 sec before. I just feel like the dragg gets stronger and its harder but igues its doable

[tepid furnace]

im on boss:) u should jump after pulling u

if u jump faster he will pull u

U can stop dps till u learn when to jump off, just w8 for first pull and jump off;)

[high wyvern]

But ur rage gen is noticeably different. Feels kinda bad to play

[azure dagger]

thats the price for interrupting frost volley

[sweet summit]

ten quid

[viral turret]

Okey 🙂

[vague badge]

the wowhead guide tells me to taunt, avatar and shield block into demo shout.
Could i create a seperate keybind with all that spells macroed into 1 button? or is that a bad idea
I obviously would only use it on a nacked pull

[azure dagger]

idk why you would taunt as part of a standard rotation?

[vague abyss]

what is the best use of gilded runes, to save them to recraft crafted gear to 636 (bracers and belt), to toss it to a weapon or a shield, or to trinkets first?

[azure dagger]

if u already have 619 crafted gear, upgrading it is usually a good idea, it rly depends on what ur wearing

[vague badge]

not as standard rotation, it is meant for the pull

[vague abyss]

well im basically 619 already in almost everything, so im thinking what to upgrade first to be honest

[azure dagger]

i wouldnt use taunt on pull, theres times where some burst class might rip aggro

and wanna save it for a few seconds

[azure dagger]

only thing id suggest is not upgrading 619>623

unless its a bis item

[vague abyss]

better to wait for a myth drop in vault? i dont really do mythic yet :x

[azure dagger]

if ur not doing 10s then u can go to 623

but getting crafted to 636 first is better

biggest ilvl jump

[vague abyss]

cool, thanks 😄

[cursive leaf]

has anyone else encountered that sometimes the aggro drops randomly? this is the second time it happened to me, for example in siege of boralus, 3rd pack, we've been fighting with the pack for more than half a minute, i'm holding the aggro the whole time, the enforcer suddenly gets up and starts hitting someone else, according to the plater addon, i was NOT holding the aggro, it's really like it's being pulled off me. The dk (who died) CD'd, his dps went from 2 million to 4.6 million. But half a minute after the fight starts, using avatar, dragon roar, constantly hitting mobs, its kinda weird that the aggro drops when a dps midfight uses up his cd... any ideas?

I was doing 1,4 million dps

[pulsar idol]

How much vers do I need as tank?

[jagged pier]

u dont need any % of vers

[heavy sparrow]

what about proc thunderclap

[keen star]

it's not unheard of that a DK will accidentally taunt

do you have a log?

[lament bough]

If I get a Violent Outburst proc in ST but shield slam is on CD, should I fish for SS procs with revenge, wait for the SS cd, or just tblast/clap?

[jagged pier]

U fish for 2 gcds

If u didnt get ss u send it on tc

[lament bough]

Thanks

[tiny atlas]

Hey all. Regarding Shield Block. I often see people saying that you should have 95% to 100% Shield Block uptime in M+ even without Bloster/Heavy Repercussions, but i can only manage like 80% to 85% in my good runs (atleast when checking buffs in details or is this number misleading somehow?). I think i have like 45% Haste with Food/Flask and Into the Fray and, atleast imho, pay pretty close attention to Shield Block and use Shield Charge off cd. No question about whether i can play better (ofcourse i can) but gettin 20% more uptime seems a lot given the way i play atm. Any advice on how to optimize this? What am i missing? Or is it just a simple question of pressing my buttons more often/ faster?

[summer flax]

macro it to shield slam

[ocean nova]

take this with a grain of salt as im nobody but i dont think 100% uptime is something to brag about

there are times where you can have it drop

kiting, mobs casting, mobs channeling etc

fixates or mob running away

chain pulling between packs you can have it drop as well'

[keen star]

logs might be showing time out of combat as shield block downtime right

[summer flax]

doubt it

[ocean nova]

the way ive learned if im doing something bad is by watching my recordings

looking at the time stamps where my block falls off and checking if its good or bad

[keen star]

I checked a city of threads log and it's showing shield block downtime during the running around parts

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wN24dCDM1r7Q8HaZ#fight=3&type=auras&source=2&ability=132404

[summer flax]

hes talking about details, details dont show out of combat time as SB downtime

[jagged pier]

Its not about uptime

Its blocked hits

[keen star]

yea I run HR because I'm terrified of getting instakilled due to unfortunate SB downtime

and I want to have spell block available

[tiny atlas]

IF i were to change anything i would just take Bolster and be done with it. That alone will be more than enough to get me to 100%. But wanted to figure out if i am doing (a lot) wrong first since everyone says its not needed with this much haste.

Sadly i dont have any recordings of my runs. Thought checking details after every run might be enough.

[edgy patrol]

With SB logic, is it a good idea to macro it into your abilities?

[sacred dawn]

If I want to have fun by maximizing damage only in tanking spec for M+ what would the build look like

[hazy yacht]

I play with a resto shaman and when he sum earth elemental, im losing aggro, at first mobs will focus elemental and after 2 seconds it reset aggro on dps.

[brittle owl]

no

[velvet ermine]

I kinda like colossus but i do feel the hurt

maybe i just suck :(

[thorn basalt]

Do we want to max out the diamond stats (+0.15% crit effect per gem color) or do we just full send haste/crit?

[inner oracle]

No because sometimes you have enough SB remaining time to end current pack/boss and it’s useless to cast another SB and/or you may have travel time or RP to next pack/boss.

[keen star]

and you might want to ignore pain instead of spending rage on SB

[velvet ermine]

You want to diamond-maxx

[random hare]

do we really want crit/haste over all in M+? got 2 rings with crit/Haste leech, pushing crit to 22%, haste 31% and versa on just 7% . is that fine ?

[tribal wharf]

the best part of this is how its stonevaults, which you need a ton of kicks at the start for

[jagged pier]

Perfectly fine

[random hare]

ok thx 🙂 feels weird not going for versatility at all 🙂

[jagged pier]

Why?

[tepid furnace]

idk im going vers too i feel safier and i checked ob logs that for example kira has big vers

[jagged pier]

After haste secondary stats do very little

[random hare]

i dont know, i thought at some point there would be some diminishing returns or sth on the other stats and crit doesnt do anything for big magical damage, but i guess thats what ignore pain is for totally even in high keys

[halcyon perch]

I've been stacking haste then more or less even crit/vers. It doesn't really matter, though. Games cooked stats are cosmetic

[random hare]

then again more crit means more parry and more parry means more consistent ignore pain

[jagged pier]

Yes it does, its lets u parry so the melees dont take anything from ip

Your survivability comes fro play getting an extra 4% dr from vers gunna do nothing

[random hare]

and then i guess ignore pain is strong enough for anything the bosses throw at us 🙂 i just remember dps needing versa at some point to progress further

[cursive leaf]

Ohh fuck we had a resto and he also summoned an elemental

Ty man

[random hare]

oh true that can be confusing for a second

[vapid valley]

does anyone know of a weakaura to show if a shaman has cast earth ele? it freaks me out every time

[proud heart]

anyone knows why they got rid of the vengeance mechanic that existed up to wod? shit was pretty fun

[velvet ermine]

Because it was bad

[proud heart]

i thought most ppl liked it

[jagged pier]

Vengance was mop and goated

We got resolve in wod

Well vengance was in cata too

Just not as strong

[sharp gale]

What was vengeance/resolve ?

What’s that monstruosity, the more you take unmitigated dmg the more you do dmg ?

Some people did degenerates things with vengeance ?

[remote tusk]

Yes

More damage than dps kekw

[grim bough]

I'm looking for video replays of high-skill prot warriors in M+. Anyone know of a good source for these?

[sharp gale]

YouTube i guess

[grim bough]

😅 I was hoping for more specific suggestions

[sharp gale]

You type +15 name of the dungeon

[velvet ermine]

I copied Yoda's build for now 🤔

He does actually run Thunderlord in Colos

[sharp gale]

Do you look talents from raider.io

[velvet ermine]

Ye

i looked at previous runs

where he played Colos

[shut badger]

Is it okay to not use revenge outside of procs? Right now i have problems with rage magement so me using revenge is probably playing a huge role in that

[velvet ermine]

Which hero spec

[bitter zealot]

I seem to struggle with Coaglamation in CoT. Wowhead doesn't say much is there an optimal way to tank him?

[keen star]

probably move slowly around the room as it's filling up with goop on the floor

and rotate defensives on the tank buster

[sharp gale]

Can you elaborate ?

Swarmlord is a defensive trinket

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[sharp gale]

You can’t compare an full offensive trinket with a full def

[toxic pewter]

Dude thinks the 400k heal is why people run mandate

[sharp gale]

If you run mandate for the heal you are dumb sorry

[toxic pewter]

shakes head in disappointment and disbelief

Stop spreading fake news

😂

Gotta do big dam

[sharp gale]

Use the main goal of the item first, 600k heal over 2 seconds every 1 or 2 min on someone with 10m hp goooooood

If you want the same heal as mandate you can press on ignore pain button

[dawn turtle]

How do you decide which gear to use as a tank? If your not just following the bis exactly

[sharp gale]

You want prio dmg or def, that’s it just figure out with that, you also need to understand what a trinket does if you want to find a defensive one

WoWhead bis is dmg bis (Single Target I guess)

[dawn turtle]

I see ig I mean with substats

Should I try to have haste on every piece

[sharp gale]

Haste is best stat whatever you do, you would have to decide vers or crit

And your character will not die one shoted if not all your slots are bis stats

[dawn turtle]

can you have to much haste?

[sharp gale]

No

[dawn turtle]

ty

[sharp gale]

Not enough stats to be at the big diminishing returns

[shut badger]

So it's shit because it doesn't do any healing? That's not why people run with it

[late narwhal]

new to tanking, anyone have any advice on when to use madqueens mantle?

save for execute on ST?

or just full send for max uptime?

[toxic pewter]

just use on cd

gotta press buttons correct and fast

always press faster stronger better

gotta do big dam

[vital vale]

do you guys ever bother picking up the adds during the last boss of Mists? when i try to gather them it just causes a mess later on, but sometimes teammates don't group them or kite them properly.

teammates just all over the place and id just need to use so much mobility to gather them

not sure its even worth it

[sweet summit]

they fixate on ppl

[vital vale]

initially yeah but i can pick up aggro on them, it's just really annoying to

[dusty dust]

Salutations warriors!

I’m currently lvling a protection warrior, 71, I don’t have much tanking experience, and my sole goal is to push keys. Raiding does not interest me much.

Now, I do feel abit overwhelmed by all the abilities. So much to Press and keep track of it feels like.

I’m new to this, probably something one gets used to. What useful macros are you guys using?

Also addons?🤔

[vital vale]

there ain't much in the way of macros that matter too much. but weak auras are far more important

[vital vale]

you should get an addon that lets you keep track of important team's cooldowns so you know when you can pull big and when you should hold off a bit

also if you get flamed every now and then, it doesn't mean you are actually bad, tanks get flamed a lot. if you get flamed every time tho, then you're doing something wrong

as for macros, theres an faq you can use here

@cursor macro for spear and/or ravager will be handy

[tough patio]

https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1g7jc20/pov_the_tank_just_blamed_you_for_him_dying_over

[toxic pewter]

which 1 of you was it

[dusty dust]

Thinking of macros like the one with charge and intervene being one button. But yes, do definitely need some WAs and addons. I have OmniCC

But Thanks for answering Fawx🙌🏻

[tardy abyss]

They do? I didn't receive flame a single time this season

For me it mostly feels like nobody knows what a tank actually does so they don't complain

[vital vale]

one time someone whispered me "l2p" at the end of a dungeon.

we timed that dungeon

[tardy abyss]

Does not really say much

[grim bobcat]

Just got flamed on NW on the double skeleton, didnt move one inch but the rogue got cleaved and insulted me.

[tardy abyss]

[grim bobcat]

Tbh my experience is when the key goes haywire either the tank or the heal gets insulted

[proud dock]

the spider mini bosses in arakara only targets tanks with bolts or does it target others?

trying to figure out if i shold have dps rotate kicks in big spiders or attedndants

[tribal wharf]

loses the impact not being able to read that from preview, but lol whaat

[inner wren]

fixated teammate makes their way roughly to you, you intervene and stand on them to eat the add damage, then when mindlink happens you aoe stun and leap out

[inner wren]

details is bugged for uptimes when you’re not a tank but looking at a tank

[vital vale]

can only intervene one tho

[inner wren]

???

last boss mists?

[vital vale]

yeah

[inner wren]

you intervene your party member

[vital vale]

i have 4 party members

unfortunately

[inner wren]

they only fixate one person

so

[vital vale]

oh? i see

i thought each one gets one

ty

[dark plover]

True. I have a super safe route I’m comfortable with to two chest 10 NWs. Had a full German group yesterday who kept body pulling everything (literally every gatekeeper) and they body pulled the two big packs after the two marauders on the bridge. I played super well and carried them through the key in the end. And afterwards you receive a casual message from one of the dpsers “learn the route before you play” after literally failing every mechanic on every boss (particularly third boss they missed three hooks in a row).

[twin hill]

Can you post the route? (besides that: people are dumb)

[sweet summit]

dps players are a disease

[dark plover]

On my phone but I’ll send u later

[tardy abyss]

Let me guess, rogue and mage?

These two classes are cursed with a majority of terrible players

Which is why I stopped inviting them like 2 weeks ago

[toxic pewter]

nothin worse than routelords

first question after joining group 'U NO ROUTE?!?!?!?!?' meanwhile dudes stand in a swirly first pull

[inland raft]

I hate dps when i tank and i hate tanks when i dps

Really i just hate pugs

Was on my ret yesterday and had a tank pulling like 3 mobs at a time

I think this is why in the end my dps alts all become tanks

[versed flume]

Guys ive been watching kirawarrio and hes getting mini shieldwalls out of nowhere. Any idea?

Its like 3 or 4 seconds of shieldwall

[tropic tangle]

might be taking the talent that gives you shield wall when you avatar and vice versa

[inner oracle]

Problem with pugs is that people just do the key, gg and leave. Even when it was very smooth and efficient team. Instead people can ask if doing more and/or friendlist people to play more with the same people another time. Too few do that. But all complain « pug sux » 🥲

[lone crow]

Sounds like the inmovable object talent

[versed flume]

Ah thank you so much guys

[lone crow]

every avatar procs shield wall and so on

[grim bobcat]

the worst players are always the ones that flame

[inland raft]

Because good players can recognize bad but also ask themselves how they could have played better to make up for the other player

If really need to vent about a particularly bad experience thats what my friends discord is for but in game just leave group go next

[grim bobcat]

Also at a certain key level people know that it's kinda normal to fuck up a key from time to time

Now i see a lot of terrible players in 8-9 that try to get gilded it's harder than it was 2 weeks ago to time those

[tribal wharf]

if we could reliably play IO i would play the hell out of it personally

[inland raft]

Unstoppable force is mandatory for thane though

[tribal wharf]

that or DA

i love 2 charge SW

[inland raft]

It would need to be buffed quite a bit to be better then the cdr+rage talent

Aegis you get less rage and longer cd on wall its just straight inferior

[robust merlin]

how good is the swarmlord trinket for prot warriors in keys??

[inland raft]

Only talent changes i see top players taking that make sense over what nom has posted as standard build is roar over spear because its not a major loss and is good snap threat. And i understand the draw of bsv even if it isnt optimal but some of the other choices are really weird