protection

[deft mortar]

Sadgely not much

[onyx vessel]

just click your buttons

[deft mortar]

Gotta have all ur CDs separate buttons too

[steel mist]

Only one I can think off and you still need to click the spell separately

SS/IP snipe

[mighty valley]

yeah that doesn’t save a bind sadly

you just gotta have it all

[onyx vessel]

i do use IP+SS marcoed

[mighty valley]

oh, just make sure you’ve already tossed whirlwind and slam

[onyx vessel]

but also SS has its own bind

[south zealot]

theres no way to save a keybind as prot effeciently

everything you could thing of will have clear downsides

[onyx vessel]

not really avatar kinda but its shorter then anything else

but its not a super keybind heavy class you can drop rav

[toxic pewter]

I know some people apparently bind hamstring to charge or some crap

[mighty mason]

Drop slam and Whirlwind?

[onyx vessel]

[warm plinth]

Slam and Whirlwind are 100% unused.

(Slam, not Shield Slam)

As is Rend

[mighty mason]

Good, I dropped slam already but kept whirlwind

Rend is bind on 1 for me 😄

[onyx vessel]

whirlwind is a no

[warm plinth]

You can combine Battle Stance and Defensive Stance on 1 button

There's a macro in the pins

[onyx vessel]

thunderclap applies rend

dont need a bind

[mighty mason]

This I did, also macroed ss & ip but kept both binded

Is rent something that I should not use?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's just a min/maxing thing than saving a bind so

[onyx vessel]

you can have just the ip/ss bind you dont need ip by itself

[warm plinth]

Rend is applied by Thunder Clap. You need it talented, but you never press the actual spell.

[mighty mason]

I have to place spell block and shield block and I am done

[onyx vessel]

shield block is your mitgation IP is just a shield

[mighty mason]

I am now good

All binded

[mighty mason]

Rend, slam and whirlwind were binded before I came to you guys

[warm plinth]

Oh, I will say I have Spell Block and Shield Wall on the same key; I just have Spell Block as a shift mod

[mighty mason]

Thank you

Btw, my ingame name is Saxdor...I suggest that you DO NOT apply if you see me tanking 😄

[deft mortar]

I don't use spell block

[onyx vessel]

i will as glad warrior

[deft mortar]

I ain't dying either

[cyan epoch]

Whats the crafting priority if im at 619 for everything? I'll have my first 90 gilded crests soon and I'm guessing I should craft a shield to get it to 636 first. I have 619 crafted belt and bracers now

[onyx vessel]

shield

[warm plinth]

Shield for sure, then weapon

[cyan epoch]

awesome thanks guys

[onyx vessel]

i did weapon first purely cuz i had a 606 vet 1h cuz i couldnt get a 1h

[deft mortar]

I am personally getting my Mythic pieces to 639 first with my gilded

Got like 4 tho

[onyx vessel]

i still am yet to get a 1h after as well

[deft mortar]

My shield and onh both 619

The vault will eventually smile upon me

[tropic tangle]

first myth track vault blessed with shield AND weapon

[deft mortar]

Blessed be the vault

[tropic tangle]

I feel like I'll end up crafting weapon

[onyx vessel]

easy

[deft mortar]

I got fkn refrac trinket myth track xdxd

[sharp gale]

I member the bfa weekly chest in last patch no options and can be corrupted, I would have a ritual to open it

[deft mortar]

I loved that because I also had 2.5k pvp rating

[sharp gale]

Titan forged corrupted prayers

[deft mortar]

I'd get max ilvl drops twice a week

The raiders in my guild HATED me

[onyx vessel]

you shouldnt have opened as prot then

[deft mortar]

Because I outgeared them all without raiding

Skill issue on their end

[onyx vessel]

they would hate you but still beg to do weekly 10s though

[sharp gale]

I looted the ST corruption tentacle r3 first week I was first dps as tank for a week basically

[wintry gate]

imagine next season if they brought some classic dungeons to the m+ pool

maraudon 😩😩😩

[sweet summit]

NO!!!

[onyx vessel]

they would just get broken since half the bosses are buggable

[tropic tangle]

last time I was in Maraudon, I think I was farming leather nature resist gear for my rogue to wear in AQ40

[onyx vessel]

i cant see them adding anything later then cata

cuz even wrath dungeons are pretty unplayable in keys

[south zealot]

anything before legion cannot be good

you could tweak them to be playable but they wont be good

[onyx vessel]

grim

[tropic tangle]

I don't think Throne was terrible

[south zealot]

yes it was

imo

[tropic tangle]

they probably could have adjusted the third boss scaling issues

but otherwise I thought it was ok

[pallid quiver]

I enjoy current Grim, tho D:

[onyx vessel]

next season will be no more siege

[pallid quiver]

And I don't think Temple was really that bad

[onyx vessel]

as a prot warrior 3rd boss was

[south zealot]

temple was the worst one wdym

that whole last pack

was added for 0 reason

absolutely disgusting pack

[tropic tangle]

yeah, that was a group killer

[south zealot]

third boss just slaps the tank and does nothing else

[pallid quiver]

I typed that while thinking about that pack the entire time

entire time

[south zealot]

the water guy is the water guy lol

2nd boss is fine though

ppl griefed it a lot but thats not the bosses issue

[pallid quiver]

I think the issue wasn't the design of the dungeon so much as the adjustments they chose to make

[tropic tangle]

I think I probably hated the Cata air dungeon the most when it came back

[south zealot]

well i think wise mari was an unsalvageable boss

[tropic tangle]

last boss scaling + timer based add spawns sucked pretty hard

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I think Wise Mari's the only actual part of that dungeon that couldn't be adjusted to be good without just replacing the fight

[cursive karma]

There are a bunch of cata dungeons that would be fine I think

GB honestly worked out well imo

[south zealot]

the third boss is just omega boring for anyone other than the tank and the healer trying to remove a colossal heal absorb every 20 seconds

[pallid quiver]

That's also the choice they made for adjusting that fight; you could have added more things for DPS to do, since they opted to add the heal absorb, which wasn't a thing before iirc

Since they keep adjusting how most of the bosses work for old dungeons, as well

I also don't think it's necessarily bad to have harder tank/heal checks like that, similar to tree boy in Darkheart, but it is definitely not interesting

[winged grail]

can someone share the opening picture once again?

[sharp gale]

From any bfa dungeons they could put in next season, all terrifies me

But no affixes may kinda change my view on them

[zealous goblet]

im gonna reask a question since i didnt get a response yesterday

.

[bright bough]

is swarmlord worth using on use click, does not deal that much dmg

still equiped for passive, but worth clicking it?

[zealous goblet]

always worth using trinket onuse my friend

[harsh bobcat]

I was in a DB10 yesterday and swore that Reflect was negating most of the Terrifying slam damage…did i just get lucky and blocked the physical part and had reflect reduce the magical by 25% ? I popped that instead of wall for each and took almost no damage

[bright bough]

deals like 150k when used

[zealous goblet]

its a mitigation trinket

does like 10% of your healing

[bright bough]

the passive yea

but the use

[zealous goblet]

the use is also mitigation

unless im sorely mistaken

[sharp gale]

It is

[winged grail]

i'm trying to find thunder roar in talents/spellbook. Can anyone help me with that?

i'm assuming thunder clap turns into thunder roar under certain conditions?

[sharp gale]

Class talent bottom left

Thunderous roar

[tropic tangle]

Thunderous Roar is a capstone talent, you generally take champ spear instead

[sharp gale]

Yes basically if you have Roar you don’t have spear

[winged grail]

oh I dont have it spec'd

a little confusing on the guide but no worries ty

[ocean nova]

is there a source for all the m+ dungeons routes? looking for areas to improve

[winged grail]

do you have mythic dungeon tools?

[ocean nova]

i do

[sharp gale]

Im kinda sad dungeons are already « solved »

[winged grail]

ah ok step 1, idk the rest as of yet. lvling a tank for first time now lol

just got to 70

[sharp gale]

Raider.io and then just keep track of what is the meta route

Like siege of boralus’ meta route will not change I think

[winged grail]

what is tactician proc?

[sharp gale]

Is that the shield slam reset proc ?

It’s Stratège in French

[toxic pewter]

yea

[winged grail]

idk why I cant find that

[dapper thunder]

talent stategist

[winged grail]

looked for tactician in talents

[dapper thunder]

center lane nr 4 down

[winged grail]

I found it

ty

[winged grail]

doesnt say anything about tactician but I wont question it

I am but a humble beginner

[dapper thunder]

it says 30% reset chance

[sharp gale]

It’s legion name of basically same thing I think

[winged grail]

so always revert back to shield slam if I get a reset?

[calm goblet]

Yes

[winged grail]

kk ty

[calm goblet]

All the time it procs

[dapper thunder]

shield slam and thunderclap all the time

[pastel geyser]

what are you guys crafting as prot wars? just made an alt and was wondering what i should go for

[toxic pewter]

its 20% proc chance on auto attacks

[pastel geyser]

3 sparks to work with rn

[calm goblet]

I went shield right away

[sharp gale]

You want to press shield slam over everything else, unless you already have 2 thunderblast in stock

[pastel geyser]

ye for sure

other than shield tho

[winged grail]

i'm assuming shield slam procs some defensive passive

[dapper thunder]

it increases shield block time

[calm goblet]

Can do weapon too, Although it depends on what you have

[pallid quiver]

It's your highest source of rage gen, so even before HR increases SB uptime, still highest prio

[dapper thunder]

and deals more dmg when you have shield block

[winged grail]

oh the 100% upkeep on shield block rota

[pallid quiver]

Since rage is what the class functions on

Literally every part of the kit functions by refreshing SS as often as possible, which you can't do if it's off CD, so that you can gen more rage to spend,

Which speeds up the class and pushes both its offensive and defensive capabilities

[winged grail]

oh ignore pain is off global

[pallid quiver]

The only time it's not full prio is if you have 2 stacks of Thunder Blast in AOE, since you run the risk of losing a cast of Thunder Blast, which can give you 3 shield slams and extra AOE damage

[winged grail]

is that like druid's iron fur, should I just bind that to my mouse wheel?

[dapper thunder]

ignore pain is your rage dump

just watch the cap

[pallid quiver]

You want it somewhere comfy to press, where you can spam it when needed, but also hold off if you're on a downturn of rage

[winged grail]

got it

[dapper thunder]

you can also use it to refresh the timer on ignore pain

[winged grail]

ig we have ip up 100% of the time?

[pallid quiver]

He means the rage cap, by the way; it's still worth pressing IP even if the absorb on IP is capped if it will prevent you from wasting rage

[sharp gale]

Usually def cds and mitigation mini games are off gcd

[winged grail]

yeah druid was kind of killing it for me just scrolling mouse wheel

but ip doesnt seem as bad

[pallid quiver]

IP uptime entirely depends on damage profiles you're running into, so it's up when it's up and down when it's down

[pallid quiver]

iirc we currently have a higher APM than bear if you were hoping for lower

so you're gonna be pressing more

[winged grail]

yeah it was explained to me that higher apm at the highest level with more abilities to migate magic dmg

but it wasnt a brainless 3 buttons

[sharp gale]

You are lost in a forest : would you rather be with a bear or a brown name people

[pallid quiver]

i mean

[winged grail]

lol

[pallid quiver]

we're a little brainless 3 buttons

[jagged pier]

^^

[winged grail]

thunder clap, shield slam, ip?

no we have shield block we have to keep

[pallid quiver]

Base rotation is SS > TC > Revenge

[sharp gale]

My friends always jokes on me because I have 3 buttons rotations

[winged grail]

brainless 4?

[pallid quiver]

And there's no thinking about IP or SB

You mostly just send them

[winged grail]

just off cd?

[pallid quiver]

The only thought is if a pack is close to dying, don't press SB

[winged grail]

should I just macro them together? lol

[pallid quiver]

No

You responsively hit IP in reaction to rage reaching 60-70

[winged grail]

what about shield block

[pallid quiver]

And you press SB mostly as it comes, but don't press if it a pack is about to die so you can press it for next pack

[winged grail]

ahh

and somehow 8sec turns into 14 second or more when we consistently hit ss?

[pallid quiver]

With HR, you've got 100% uptime in active combat as long as you're pressing buttons

[winged grail]

hr?

[sharp gale]

I have what you need

[winged grail]

LOL

no way

[pallid quiver]

Heavy Repercussions is a talent on the left side, choice node with ITF

It gives a slight extra duration for SB

[winged grail]

thats awesome

[pallid quiver]

It's one of 4 SB talents

[winged grail]

extends by 1 more second

we hit ss that often to make 8->14 or more?

[pallid quiver]

The other three are Enduring Defenses (gives all application of SB +2 seconds baseline, so cap of SB uptime is also now 24s), Champion's Bulwark (Shield Charge gives SB) and Bolster (You have SB for the duration of Last Stand)

[winged grail]

I hate to ask but can you copy the words inside so I can copy and paste?

[sharp gale]

Almost every other gcd

[pallid quiver]

SS has like a CPM of 20 for average play in constant combat

[winged grail]

oh its more than ss that extends sb?

"the button" what a badass

[pallid quiver]

Also, SB's CD is reduced by Haste; also, if you didn't know, SB duration stacks up to 3x base duration

[sharp gale]

I would not let you ruin a key with a castsequence

[winged grail]

wdym lol

[pallid quiver]

So you can send both charges of SB and press Shield Charge, then bam, 24s of Shield Wall

[winged grail]

oh whats the ideal haste %?

[pallid quiver]

as much as you can get; it's our best offensive and defensive stat

And we don't hit any notable DRs on the stat this season

[winged grail]

so like 25% ideally?

and 25% vers?

[pallid quiver]

To give you an idea, you need 40%-ish from rating alone before you want to look at ITF over HR

[calm goblet]

We are kinda weird with verse right now, some of us are higher in crit over verse

[winged grail]

interesting

for aggro?

[pallid quiver]

Also, crit on average is a better stat than vers; they're roughly similar in defensive value (actually not that far from haste, even), but crit gives more damage

[calm goblet]

Parry

[winged grail]

oi

hmm

[pallid quiver]

Prot War gets parry from crit rating

[calm goblet]

^

[pallid quiver]

So you mitigate melees and the larger source of damage coming in

[winged grail]

did it change from vers to crit? I believe wowhead has it vers>crit

[calm goblet]

Theirs alot of physical fights right now so parry has been more for us considering we also get free revenge procs from it

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't really help you with bleeds or magic, but

vers also doesn't really help you with those. You'd need an absolutely disgusting amount of vers to make an impact on the types of bleeds and magic damage that endanger tanks

As in "literally not achievable amounts of vers"

[winged grail]

so whats a ideal somewhat of expectations of % once geared up some?

[pallid quiver]

Also, as an example, random raid fight I pulled from my logs, looks like Bloodbound H,

[pallid quiver]

however much you get

[winged grail]

40% haste, 30% crit, 20% vers, ideally 0% mastery

[pallid quiver]

All secondary stats are good for prot war

That breakdown would be bad because it has no mastery; it's not as good as the other stats

[winged grail]

asking because I'm going to have to do missives etc as im going into M+ when I hit 80

[pallid quiver]

but it's still good

Ultimately, you should just sim for DPS as Prot War

[winged grail]

so haste/crit?

on all missives

[pallid quiver]

But generally, yes

[winged grail]

I need to look into how to do that

it was more straight forward on my main, didnt have to sim

[pallid quiver]

With the lack of DRs in season 1, you can blind stack straight into Haste/Crit and not hit any performance issues as long as you have tier and things that give very incidental vers/mastery

Like Vers threads

[winged grail]

dr?

dmg reduction

[pallid quiver]

Diminishing Returns

[calm goblet]

Right now I'm rocking
20 Crit
30 Haste (Running ITF)
9 verse
17 mast

[winged grail]

whats the itf and hr again>?

[pallid quiver]

So the more of a stat you get, the less value you get for the same rating

[winged grail]

oof so druid but not as good for us

[pallid quiver]

Heavy Repercussions and Into the Fray; they share a choice node

[winged grail]

which do you start with?

[pallid quiver]

this i don't understand; stat drs are universal for every class and spec

It's to prevent the god stat scenario from happening

[winged grail]

with healers its heavy 1 stat meta

[pallid quiver]

HR in M+, ITF for raid is the only way to handle it atm

[winged grail]

more balanced with tanks ig

[buoyant lintel]

healers have DR too

[sharp gale]

You need to know what you do to use The Button

[winged grail]

imma write it manually muhahaha

[calm goblet]

I perfer ITF with M+

[pallid quiver]

Even healers ran into drs in later seasons; just how badly it hit them depended on spec

[winged grail]

even as beginner?

I will 100% focusing on M+

[sharp gale]

No Hr for beginners

[winged grail]

kk

yeah I pushed 2.5k rating on my healer and now i'm switching to tank first time

im a m+ kind of guy

[buoyant lintel]

Why?

[sharp gale]

A beginner doesn’t know what Shield block is

[pallid quiver]

Like, say their mastery is Resto Shaman's; the damage profile of the fight is just a constant, plowing burn, and if you get behind enough, people will die from an execute type mechanic like on Princess this tier. Even if mastery would provide more throughput due to drs on crit/haste/vers, you still wouldn't pick much up just because you won't be able to use that mastery

[pallid quiver]

You'll run into SB uptime issue without enough haste. When you pick ITF, you lose tons of SB uptime improvements and have to make it up with raw CD reduction on SB

[sharp gale]

And a beginner struggle to maintain SB even with HR which is compréhensible if you really scratch start

[winged grail]

whats some good keybind suggestions? im thinking I need sb, ss, and ip keybinded 100%

[pallid quiver]

Hence my earlier comment about needing 40%-ish haste without any buffs before swapping; how much haste actually depends, again, on damage profiles/dungeons, since if there's only non-blockable casts coming out, SB is only a damage increase

[buoyant lintel]

you need 40% haste before swapping to ITF?

[pallid quiver]

SS and IP need to be somewhere comfortable; TC, as well

[buoyant lintel]

or is 40% with the ITF buff?

[smoky anvil]

Whatever is comfy for you. Play around with it.

[pallid quiver]

Without ITF buff

[winged grail]

Yeah I also need to learn when to use the magic defensives

for like the intial dawnbreaker beam

[pallid quiver]

The ITF buff pushes you over what you would need to maintain SB uptime

[winged grail]

what do we pop when we know its going to be big? spell reflect?

[smoky anvil]

Spell block is extremely potent

[pallid quiver]

But as mentioned, milleage will adjust based on dungeon and damage profiles, like you can probably get away with 35%-ish for Dawnbreaker

[winged grail]

for the big boss ability?

[smoky anvil]

For dawnbreaker I rotate shield wall and spell block

Worst case last stand and spell reflect

[pallid quiver]

Your general defensive CDs are Shield Wall, Spell Block (please talent into this), Spell Reflect (if you don't talent into this, what are you doing even DPS talent this), Last Stand, Impending Victory, and sorta Def Stance

Spell Reflect has a magic DR portion to it, and is on a short CD, so in a lot of cases, you can always have it up for every magic buster you take

Like Dawnbreaker first boss, it should be up for every beam iirc

[winged grail]

I think the main attraction to warrs is that they can basically migate alot of M+ boss's ability with ig spell block/spell reflect

[winged grail]

ahh this is it

thats

nice

20sec cd

[valid ermine]

anybody using the double shield wall talent tree?

[jagged gust]

it's not currently recommended

[calm goblet]

^^

[pallid quiver]

It gives less DR over the course of an encounter and dungeon, especially since with proper play and Imp Wall, the CD is like 45-50s

[calm goblet]

Correct

[winged grail]

you guys use shield charge or is heroic leap basically always up

[jagged gust]

shield charge is a dps CD

[pallid quiver]

Shield Charge you use on CD in melee

[jagged gust]

different case uses

[pallid quiver]

It provides SB uptime

As well as a niche stop due to the stun

[winged grail]

interesting

but it has a min range to use

so from mob to mob?

[cursive karma]

It does not have min range like charge

[jagged gust]

nope, use on prio target

[winged grail]

oh

Im misthinking

you guys use charge at all?

[pallid quiver]

Charge gives rage

[buoyant lintel]

yes shield charge is super important

[pallid quiver]

You want to start every pull with a charge, optimally

[jagged gust]

charge on opener and while gathering absolutely

[winged grail]

so you guys try to use charge over herioc leap when possible?

[pallid quiver]

Charge+Avatar gives you enough rage to SB before ever touching a mob

[buoyant lintel]

shield charge gives you shield block and has no min range

[jagged gust]

yes, leap is more for when you need to react to something like aoe or adds spawning in

[pallid quiver]

Heroic Leap is to move, Charge is to engage

[neat parrot]

lmao you never leap in packs, you get melted xd

[pallid quiver]

So like, you move away from boss? Leap. Move to boss/enemy? Charge

[jagged gust]

You can use leap while gathering several packs, though, it's very versatile and in some cases you'll be using several charges and leaps in short succession

[buoyant lintel]

https://i.imgur.com/bbmXNXO.png

this is my setup. ive spent a lot of time thinking about it so i think its decent

[winged grail]

ty

[buoyant lintel]

revenge, shield slam, shield block, ignore pain, and thunderclap are the buttons you will be pressing the most

[winged grail]

thanks all, really appreicate it

[winged grail]

thats a tough one for me to learn, you have basically s as your favorite button and keybinded a bunch to it

[buoyant lintel]

s is Shift

[winged grail]

oh

[buoyant lintel]

there arent enough buttons on your kb to not use shift as a modifier

[winged grail]

I have a problem going too far from awsd

not sure ill be able to go to gh

[buoyant lintel]

yeah the far buttons are awkward to reach so i have them on situational buttons like heroic throw

and mounting

[winged grail]

idk if its my ocd or what but you dont organize your spells by what they do?

like defensives in one area

[buoyant lintel]

no i am prioritizing ease of pressing these buttons while also pressing WASD

and depending on the situation

spell reflect you are usually standing still so its ok to be on Z

[winged grail]

f for ignore pain, thats a close one ive never thought of

skill issue ig, I'm struggling to even hit 1

[buoyant lintel]

F is a goated hotkey

[winged grail]

yeah f should be goated for sure

not sure why im struggling to go over a tiny bit

r feels great though

skill issue

[buoyant lintel]

its just practice

[valid ermine]

wheres ignore pain?

[buoyant lintel]

F

left

[valid ermine]

ah i see

here is mine

I use a Razer Tartarus tho

[winged grail]

f10 how tf

[valid ermine]

its not a regular keyboard

[buoyant lintel]

yeah lmao i dont know how that works

[valid ermine]

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Tartarus-Gaming-Keypad-Analog-Optical/dp/B07YQKS4B5/ref=asc_df_B07YQKS4B5/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693459401938&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5526665400902380719&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030960&hvtargid=pla-837501961343&psc=1&mcid=20235691208f39338a0e6ee1f5aa203a

it has 3 rows of 5

[winged grail]

ay yo

my guys a gamer

[valid ermine]

i switched to this like 2 weeks ago and its been wonderful

[winged grail]

wait

you use this as mouse?

[valid ermine]

its a keyboard not a mouse

[winged grail]

ahh ok I saw that analog stick

and mouse scroll

[valid ermine]

i use that for opening map, quest log, character, backpack etc

[winged grail]

thats kind of sick ngl

[buoyant lintel]

i see you have charge and intervene on no mod hotkeys

i have been debating about that

[winged grail]

wdym

like not macro'd?

[buoyant lintel]

he has charge, intervene and shield charge on the equivalent of 1, 3, and 4

i have mine on s-Q, s-R, s-T

[winged grail]

Ahh I see

Yes that would be quicker

[buoyant lintel]

it definitely gives me issues sometimes but i probably overvalue pressing thinks like spear and ravager

[winged grail]

They’re 1.5m cd right?

[valid ermine]

i have more keys tho

[pallid quiver]

Though again, before you take Atlas' keybind too much to heart, the fella is using a funny gaming device

[valid ermine]

I have 15 instant press and 15 shift-click

[buoyant lintel]

what are u using for movement?

[valid ermine]

i only did this because i had bad wrist pain using a regular keyboard

[buoyant lintel]

oh it has the thumb stick

[valid ermine]

I use 17 and 19 only

no thumb stick

the equivalent of q s e

strafe right, back, strafe left

mouse for forwards

[buoyant lintel]

i used to only have strafe left and right bound and it felt really good

on like rogue

[pallid quiver]

double click stronk

[valid ermine]

i need back for tanking sometimes

[buoyant lintel]

yeah lol or walking forward and doing a ground target

[pallid quiver]

There's almost no reason to ever backpedal on a DPS; tanks have an excuse because being hit in the back is oof

[velvet ermine]

Quick question, is there a colossus build for M+ or is that just hard trolling 🤔

[valid ermine]

i doubt it right now

MT is so strong

[pallid quiver]

You have less damage reduction, and it might still be more damage if played optimally. You'd have to ask Nome

[velvet ermine]

MT seems like how i played back in DF

but Colossus in raid felt kinda fun, seeing the big bonks

[winged grail]

ig ol yodawr is using elv ui?

looks like regular action bars just downsized

[sleek wagon]

colossus fking SLAPS in m+

a little squisher but fun af

[winged grail]

whats colossus?

[velvet ermine]

Should i swap Spear for Roar just like in raids then?

[oblique quarry]

It really does, was doing so much burst last night lol

[velvet ermine]

Honestly just building something myself atm, since wowhead only has MT

[oblique quarry]

Spear to roar and less thunderclap talents were the big change for me

[velvet ermine]

Yea, im changing some stuff to Revenge talents

[sleek wagon]

the rage regen is a bit rough without ravager it feels but still practicing

[oblique quarry]

I did def feel less tanky but not enough to care at the level of content I’m doing

[oblique quarry]

I def still take ravager over bsv

[velvet ermine]

I just like more damage, and you can still time Demo for that extra DR if you need it

[winged grail]

aw we cant keybind shift+leftmouse click

[buoyant lintel]

that would be disasterous

[winged grail]

was doing to do dem shout lol

[candid leaf]

Curious on embellishments - suggested is thread; but dont see many (if any) top prots for M+ running them

[winged grail]

you guys ever use herioc throw anymore?

[velvet ermine]

I do

[candid leaf]

I do aye

[velvet ermine]

Pulling aggro, free to cast when charging

I think i still have it bound to charge

[winged grail]

its kind of our only range ability isnt it?

to catch a mob or something

[velvet ermine]

Outside of Storm Bolt, yes

[winged grail]

trying to decide if its worth a important keybind

[velvet ermine]

It should be

[winged grail]

or a more off into the distance one

I had to to my main mouse button

switched that to spell replect

[velvet ermine]

You probably need to learn to use more buttons and/or modifiers then

Id say, use everything you can in your arsenal

[winged grail]

trying to like

overuse the buttons that my fingers are on 24/7 lol

getting creative

I suck at getting off of wasd and coming back

I even shift+space

[candid leaf]

Is throw still off GCD entirely?

[dense gull]

Hello, just a question about emebellisments, in terms of pushing m+ what should be the best one? i see people playing ascension, Dusk Thread linen (Versatility one) or Blessed weapon grip

[candid leaf]

In the same boat, about to ask crit on stream

[dense gull]

Ok, thanks

[deft mortar]

Got my first gray hair at 26

[winged grail]

are we using iv at all?

[deft mortar]

I'm blaming the pugs

[winged grail]

lmao how did that +12 dawnbreaker go

im asumming great since no feedback

[deft mortar]

It's in my bag still haven't done it yet

[winged grail]

lol

is impending victory our main healing source? so we ever use that over ip?

oh its 25sec so ig we use it off cd

so we have no self heal oof

[candid leaf]

You just spam ignore pain

[deft mortar]

IP is like 55% of my self healing

Followed by Leech = Indomitable

Followed by Impend

[vague badge]

I heard warrior is bad in some dungeons. Is that true? Is it due to magic damage?

[deft mortar]

Idk I've never seen another tank do a dungeon

[deft mortar]

I got that shit memorized fr

[candid leaf]

That was 468 casts lolol

Swarmlords also does quite a bit of healing

[buoyant lintel]

it usually is about 10% for me

[winged grail]

you guys use revenge alot?

I ran out of keybind space and its left over lol

[buoyant lintel]

you fill with revenge

to get shield slam procs

[winged grail]

thats weird to me ip heals? or is that just mitigation coming up as healing on details?

[candid leaf]

Eh, I spend the rage on IP ngl

[winged grail]

yeah seems safer

[candid leaf]

Yes @winged grail, its mitigation

[buoyant lintel]

mitigation counts as healing in details

[winged grail]

ahh

bummer

[deft mortar]

Almost don't if I am Thane, just to apply dot and filler

[winged grail]

apply dot

?

[deft mortar]

As Colossus I spam the shit out of revenge

[winged grail]

oh boy im lost, I thought rota was thunderclap, ss into ip/defensives

[violet ginkgo]

not to magic damage, to dots usually. If 1 hit magic damage we have tools to handle it, problem if enemy start putting dots on you.

[candid leaf]

I cast revenge 75 times but was mostly on low mob hp/dont need block or IP

I cast execute 24 times in similiar fashion

[buoyant lintel]

you open with charge, demo, shield block or shield charge

[simple drum]

Any items from the new raid that look promising for us?

[candid leaf]

You charge into shield bash if possible, gives you more leeway for shield block

[winged grail]

shield bash?

[candid leaf]

I wouldnt suggest charge demo

shield charge sorry

[solemn pumice]

I might be too excited to get my ragebar emptied, but i find myself in situations where i have nothing to press. 4 seconds until next SS, 3 for TC, no rage for revenge. I feel like im doing something wrong, but i cant put my finger on it

[candid leaf]

You aren't, Kobe - it happens. More haste makes it feel less ass.

[buoyant lintel]

wont you take an auto if you do charge into shield slam?

[winged grail]

this is what I have currently, anyone see any must have keybinds im missing?

[buoyant lintel]

demo lets u get shield block up before u get into range

[winged grail]

keep in mind I suck at getting fingers off of wasd

[candid leaf]

If you are rageless charge slam block is ideal - if shield charge is off CD

rather on CD

[solemn pumice]

more haste? whats the breakpoint i need to aim for

[jagged gust]

always more haste, no breakpoints

[solemn pumice]

also any talent changes i should make

[candid leaf]

drop thunderous for spear imho

[solemn pumice]

I like roar

its funny

[buoyant lintel]

spear has too much utility to give up for roar

[candid leaf]

roars getting nerfed

[jagged gust]

never gonna forgive yoda for tricking people in to this build

[candid leaf]

and spear is great for a lot of things

[solemn pumice]

I got this off a prot woyer friend idk who yoda is lmao

[candid leaf]

jesus brother you're missing two very important talents

[solemn pumice]

also roar big dam

[candid leaf]

We arent just DPS with a shield though, and roar is getting AOE cap next patch - spear is objectively better

[winged grail]

interesting, i used wowhead talents and didnt spec roar

maybe im trolling since roar is 45sec cd with second talent

[jagged gust]

but you're unable to get the second talent as thane

[candid leaf]

@solemn pumice missing

[jagged gust]

unfortunately

[deft mortar]

I got neither lmaoo

[solemn pumice]

The one time i dont follow wowhead im wrong

man fuck this game

[winged grail]

got'em

[candid leaf]

Copy mine

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[jagged gust]

not your fault, streamers are using weird builds and it's influencing the populace

[winged grail]

oh sht wowhead goes thane

[candid leaf]

you can flex bounding stride to shout if you think you need

[winged grail]

and yoda goes colossus

now im confused

[solemn pumice]

the tettles boomie m+ talents from wowhead are little griefing, its the streamer talents that are meta lmao

[candid leaf]

Dont follow top players setups man lol

[winged grail]

well I'm just looking at top M+ players

[solemn pumice]

how am i supposed to know what to pick, when the tettles one is turbo griefing and the prot warrior is somehow correct lol

[winged grail]

bc thats what im going to focus on

not just general top players

[candid leaf]

Too many variables for a one size fits all tho

[winged grail]

i'm ideally going to lvl70->80 rn learning my class

so Ijust want the right talent tree

so I can be M+ rdy

[candid leaf]

TBH you come in here and ask - you've done what you should do. were performing well before I assume, now you optimize and will crank

[winged grail]

going to be dungeon spamming

[solemn pumice]

I was doing fine i guess? aside from ending up with nothing to press

[tropic tangle]

protip to not being confused: you are not a top player, and top players are not always correct.

[jagged gust]

Just remember, not everyone enjoys pushing when they're still in heroic gear, top m+ right now =/= top at the end of the season

[velvet ermine]

mhm, colossus making me do the big bonk

[winged grail]

out of the top 10 prot warrs on M+ leaderboard only yoda is colossus

wtf

so thane is the normal go to?

[tropic tangle]

he probably logged in a raid spec, or did low (for him) keys and wanted to play colossus

[jagged gust]

colossus does more damage than MT at the loss of 50% uptime on 8% DR and less overall IP

[buoyant lintel]

just pick the one you enjoy more. player skill matters more

[violet ginkgo]

I think he just want to try things and that, thane is just more stable the higher your key

[velvet ermine]

MT has the better consistent DR

But colossus do the big bonk

[winged grail]

why would we as tanks care about doing more dmg?

[jagged gust]

because tank damage is important

[winged grail]

interesting

[jagged gust]

we're just DPS who tank hits

[velvet ermine]

Let me be honest here, if you kill stuff faster, its basically more damage reduction

[winged grail]

you think tank dmg is going to make or break a high key?

[velvet ermine]

as they'll hit you less

[winged grail]

rather than staying alive

[jagged gust]

without a doubt

[violet ginkgo]

To rage at your dps, something like "You are supposed to just do damage but you let tank outdps you?"

[tropic tangle]

that's debatable

[winged grail]

thats a wild take

but im new to tanking

seems like timing isnt a issue, wiping is

[jagged gust]

It's why we sim for DPS

[velvet ermine]

In case of everything, if things die faster, you have to spend less time taking damage

[tropic tangle]

you can make trade offs, but in general things dying faster = safer pulls

at the top end, it's a bit off an outlier/toss up

[edgy bone]

lol so many new prot warriors in here chasing meta that never tanked before

[inner wren]

Warrior doesn’t die unless ur doing insane keys might as well do damage

[edgy bone]

sharing their neckbeard opinions because toxic gamers think theyre never wrong

[velvet ermine]

I mean, MT also does damage

Colossus just does a bit more but you lose some consistent DR

[winged grail]

so the mt spec on wowhead is bad?

for M+

[velvet ermine]

lmao, no

[jagged gust]

better help guide them before they wind up tanking for you on an alt

[candid leaf]

No, it's fine.

[velvet ermine]

MT is the basic build you SHOULD go for

[candid leaf]

The build you posted is bad though

[violet ginkgo]

wdym bad it's the default go to

[velvet ermine]

Once you get comfortable with Prot, you could try Colossus

[winged grail]

I think i'm just skimming through some of the comments and got the wrong impression

[velvet ermine]

It does add another button to your rotation though

but MT is probably the surefire way for any new prot and consistent prot player

[winged grail]

dealbreaker

kidding

dont want to get called a neckbearder

had to throw in the kidding quick

[velvet ermine]

:angery

Stupid discord that disallows outside emotes

[winged grail]

I noticed that

[velvet ermine]

Paying for nitro just to get denied

[winged grail]

got'em

you neckbearded toxic gamer

paying for nitro

[velvet ermine]

Anyways, if youre new at prot warrior, just follow the MT M+ build on Wowhead

[violet ginkgo]

I could say I suck at colossus for M+. I tried only on M0 helping guildmate, my IP got chunked hard for some reason and I can't quickly replenish it because not enough rage maybe I spent too much at revenge or something.. Well thankfully it's not serious level run just M0 but damn... felt like this won't be my choice for M+

[jagged gust]

MT is tankier, thus safer, colon does more damage, damage is important, in low keys though damage is far less important than simply staying alive. Timers are very loose and so your entire group can be underperforming and you will still time as long as you're not wiping several times per key.

[velvet ermine]

@violet ginkgo I think the rules for revenge stay the same for Colossus

[winged grail]

yeah it seems like this season is way less revolved around tank/healer doing dmg

I pushed to 11s on healer as main and never focused on doing dmg

[velvet ermine]

Dont spend rage on it unless your rage is up high

[jagged gust]

TC and revenge swap prios for colon

aside from rend application

[winged grail]

so thunderclap is enough to hold aggro on a mob

if we go straight into ip?

[velvet ermine]

I disagree, as TC doesnt cost rage

[winged grail]

instead of revenge

[velvet ermine]

You still need to keep using it for rage gen

Do we use a revenge proc over TC? yes

We dont use a non-free Revenge before TC

[jagged gust]

you don't even take the TC talent in the avatar capstone, Revenge is just that much better

[winged grail]

but cost rage

[jagged gust]

which is why you have less IP usage overall and thus less tankiness as colon

[winged grail]

oh in colo spec?

[velvet ermine]

Thats just poor tank play

[winged grail]

yeah thats sketch from a outsider looking in

[velvet ermine]

You should never revenge over IP

[violet ginkgo]

which is why colossus is a bit hard to play since you have to be strict with your rage management, I don't like thinking too hard, thane is just swimming in rage.

[inner wren]

The difference between 11 and 12 is huge

[velvet ermine]

unless its free and youre nearly capped on rage

[winged grail]

for sure

[jagged gust]

Yeah Thane you just spam IP, GG

[winged grail]

I couldnt imagine spec'ing for dmg in a 12

11s one shot party

but ig war doing war things

skill issue

[velvet ermine]

I just dont think at any point do you use Revenge over IP to spend rage in colossus

[jagged gust]

Proper defensive usage and kick rotations, at that level you need to expect everyone to be playing their part. You need damage to time keys at a certain level of HP scaling

[velvet ermine]

unless youre rage capped

[graceful kite]

Is it tho

[winged grail]

we got a lot of colossus players I see

[velvet ermine]

The gameplay loop for Colossus is the exact same, you just have less rage generation

[winged grail]

ig more fun being a pumper

[graceful kite]

Its just mathematically worse defensively its not about skill

[velvet ermine]

So, when it comes to IP usage, its defo lower

I wonder if i should drop Anger Management for Battering Ram

nvm, i cant :(

[graceful kite]

No?

[winged grail]

how is it holding aggro though?

picking ip over revenge

[violet ginkgo]

you crazy if you drop AM XD

[graceful kite]

Dropping anger management is dimb

[winged grail]

thunderclap enough to hold initial mob aggro?

[graceful kite]

It might be the worst talent to drop

[velvet ermine]

🤷‍♂️

[winged grail]

ig no one having aggro issues lol

[graceful kite]

So much so that i think if you drop am do you really need shield wall

With long ass cd

[winged grail]

applying rend??

first time I seen that

[velvet ermine]

Sure, but rage management still exists

[jagged gust]

Just to reiterate, TC to apply rend, then Revenge takes prio with colossus

[velvet ermine]

I still doubt youre gonna be spending rage on Revenge over IP

when you have no IP up

[winged grail]

poor healers XD

[jagged gust]

IP should have no impact on your gameplay outside of extremely high key tank busters

[velvet ermine]

Poor healers indeed

[jagged gust]

You're naturally spamming IP because revenge is not enough to keep you from rage capping

[violet ginkgo]

what I am afraid though at least for now at +8, I experience if you pull quite a bit of mob, they can eat your IP quite fast. Thane is easy to replace that IP since swimming in rage, but for colossus which generally has lower rage generation... I am quite worried.

[winged grail]

anyone use this weakaura? it wont move as group

[jagged gust]

You just have less overall usage because some of your rage is being dumped in to revenge

[velvet ermine]

Then either we pull less, or we slap harder 🤷‍♂️

I still think defensively the same principles should apply

without leaving out a lot of the upsides

of having more damage in our kit

[jagged gust]

IP uptime does not matter whatsoever, you press it when you're above 60-70 rage

[velvet ermine]

The fact that we get a 20% buff on IP makes it that even if we press it less, it in itself gives us slightly more up front

[violet ginkgo]

Will, I mean it's not the uptime, they eat the IP so you need to press IP to replenish it.

[jagged gust]

no

you press IP when you have the rage for it

[violet ginkgo]

wdym no? the mob damage you, they eat the IP absorb

[deft solstice]

Hi! I've got a quick question about the thuderlord talent!
It reduces the challenging shout time by 4.5 seconds at most! But is that the maximum of the general recharge time for challenging shout (120 seconds - 4.5 seconds) or is it 4.5 seconds maximum for each use of thunder clap (120 seconds - (4.5 + 4.5 + 4.5 ...) )? thx 🙂

[velvet ermine]

I do wonder though, do we take Barbaric Training?

[jagged gust]

absolutely not

[violet ginkgo]

nope

[velvet ermine]

But the extra damage though 👀

[violet ginkgo]

extra 10rage on revenge usage, might be bad

[jagged gust]

per use, and it's demo shout

[violet ginkgo]

reduce demo shout not challenging.

[echo egret]

Simming for 5 targets Patchwerk style, 2 minutes (M+) , and my new Sacbrood sims much lower than my Void Pacstone, is that normal ?

[winged grail]

do we have switch stances or can I get rid of that?

in edit mode rn

[jagged gust]

The thing is, you have to be prepared for the moment you need to cast several revenges back to back to proc a SS reset, that extra rage on it breaks your builder/spender cycle

[velvet ermine]

I already felt that in the +2 tbh

just having that extra rage cost is kinda fucky

i was just wondering if we would go overboard on the revenge or just settle for comfort

[jagged gust]

nah, even for colossus it's too much rage for the damage gained

[velvet ermine]

Also, do we take Show of Force or Sudden Death?

i doubt we take Thunderlord

[deft mortar]

I take it as Colossus on 10 keys and below

I do so much dmg that BV keeps my IP up

And I don't need to rage dump on IP

Instead I rage dump with revenge

[velvet ermine]

BV, what was that again?

[deft mortar]

And spam like 1M revenge crits

[deft mortar]

10% of ur dmg adds to your active IP

[velvet ermine]

That would mean you need active IP

[jagged gust]

colon or thane? For colon show of force

[velvet ermine]

Colon

ofc

[deft mortar]

10 stacks thing triggers it

Or every 10 secs 1 IP ain't bad

[buoyant lintel]

you can make a 1 button stance swap. its ok to stay in defensive stance only until you learn the class more

[velvet ermine]

Seeing Red you mean?

[deft mortar]

Imo no point stance swapping for 3% crit

Any any key level

And I hated that in Dragonflight

[velvet ermine]

Im usually in Battle Stance non-stop tbh :^)

swap for huge hits

[buoyant lintel]

it only matters if your damage is what is holding your group back which is very unlikely

[jagged gust]

one against many, tide of battle, practiced strikes, seismic reverb, show of force, basically everything that says revenge aside from barbaric training. Revenge has like 200+% modifiers on it

[winged grail]

we got some wild war's in here

[velvet ermine]

wait, we no longer lose damage for being in defensive

nbm

[winged grail]

3% crit over that much dmg red?

[velvet ermine]

Ive been playing wrong so far

[winged grail]

we gotta have a group meeting

[jagged gust]

depends on how much damage you're taking

[winged grail]

lmao

[jagged gust]

We already don't really take damage in low keys, so free DPS is free DPS

[velvet ermine]

I was under the impression Defensive still reduced our damage output

[vague badge]

Is macroing avatar to demo shout a bad idea?

[velvet ermine]

cause i never read the changes :^)

[jagged gust]

nope they removed the dps reduction for prot specifically, so now you only lose 3% crit by not being in battle stance

[velvet ermine]

@vague badge No, i do that

[warm plinth]

Yes, they don't have the same cooldown

[velvet ermine]

@jagged gust Fuck stance swapping then

ill still try and do it for maximization, but man

[warm plinth]

And you generally Avatar mid-charge, which means your Demo Shout wouldn't even hit the mobs if it cast

[jagged gust]

Stance swapping is for parsing at this point, unless you're really crunched for DPS in a high ass key

[velvet ermine]

Yea, ok

I guess i can still run Battle for low keys

[deft mortar]

Nah tbf even high ass key probably being able to hit a couple more revenge cuz u sit in dstance is worth more

Or ur healer hitting more dmg spells

For dmg

7 mob pack doing 2M dps on me on NW12 lmao

I was spamming IP so hard

I had 1.1M hps on myself

[jagged gust]

Well it all depends right, if a boss only melees for a couple hundred thousand you're basically self healing at that point, just stance dance the big tank busters

[velvet ermine]

We do be having good hps tbh

[deft mortar]

Oh yeah boss fights ez

[velvet ermine]

And i guess that 3% crit can be slightly more Slam crits for double stacks for Colos

[deft mortar]

Defo could see swapping stance for spear pop off

[jagged gust]

battle stance is still nice, but there's zero downside to defensive anymore so it's more a vibe thing

[velvet ermine]

Yea, i didnt know they removed the damage done reduction off of Defensive

[vague badge]

Deep wounds ain’t that important as I see in the guide? It’s quite low and only if TC and SS are on cd, right?

[velvet ermine]

thats actuall fuckin huge

[deft mortar]

I wish they didn't nerf crits in pvp

All crit specs just ate shit

[jagged gust]

Do you mean revenge?

[velvet ermine]

I love eating shit 👀

[deft mortar]

Deep wounds pump free rage with the talent no?

It's like 3-5% of my dung overall

[velvet ermine]

it should ye

Demolish was my top dps this dungeon though, but im still in the gearing process

far from optimized

But i kinda prefer colossus somehow

[jagged gust]

Well tbf it hits like a mack truck

[velvet ermine]

Look, im warrior, i have warrior brain

Big number makes neuron go brrrt

[jagged gust]

When a single ability as a prot war can crit for 20mil, you don't complain

you just press the button

[velvet ermine]

Ill test it more going through dungeons, but yea, this should help me for now atleast ty

[deft mortar]

Mine is always revenge when I run colossus

By like a large margin

[velvet ermine]

Well, i still played like i was MT

The usual playstyle

[deft mortar]

Revenge 25% colossus 18% shield slam 17% or smth usually

[velvet ermine]

IP over Regenge

[deft mortar]

I also revenge ST in my build tho, crits like 1M

[velvet ermine]

Makes sense

Im also gonna test something else

Dropping Ravager for batting ram

[jagged gust]

The proper ST Colossus opener is absolutely wild

[deft mortar]

Oh yeah

Spear with demolish sorta goes hard too tbf ST

I think it beats TR after a level of crit chance

Actually it 100% would

[deft mortar]

Holy lol 28% is revenge

[velvet ermine]

Im currently using Roar over Spear

but maybe thats wrong

[deft mortar]

Roar is better

[jagged gust]

dropping roar would also let you drop bloodborne for bloodsurge

would be nice

[deft mortar]

Spear is better for ST for big demolish crits

[velvet ermine]

Does someone have a tree for me for M+?

cause wowhead didnt have one i think

[deft mortar]

Nome does

On wowhead

[velvet ermine]

Where find?

[deft mortar]

Uhh should be under talents or M+ tab

Has so many builds

[velvet ermine]

maybe im just blind

[deft mortar]

Bros jobs that so

[jagged gust]

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[deft mortar]

I trust a William Knifeman build

[jagged gust]

I might have been doing Zekvir on this, I'll have to double check actually

[deft mortar]

Is that your real name

It goes hard

[jagged gust]

Rumbling Earth/Honed Reflexes, technically Bounding Stride are easy talent swap points if you wish

[deft mortar]

Wish we had more leech so I could go nuts

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/indian-native-american-knifeman-william-knifeman-gif-25048706

[deft mortar]

I miss that DF S1 4 set so much

The do more dmg to live is insane

[jagged gust]

I'm sitting at 13% leech, not too too shabby

[winged grail]

can I macro shockwave to thunderclap or bad?

[vague badge]

What’s the order in which I should use the defensive cooldowns?

[jagged gust]

The CDs wouldn't align and you could only see one at a time, so if you had it on a modifier you'd still have to track it

[winged grail]

we're making progress, am I missing any of the circled red to be keybinded as importance?

[jagged gust]

It really depends on the type of damage you're looking to mitigate, but Shield Wall should be your #1 with how low it's CD is

[winged grail]

also do you guys keybind your major def cd's? cant think or a good way to keybind

[jagged gust]

hamstring I threw off my bars 2 xpacs ago, shockwave very useful, should find a way to keybind it. Slam/Rend/WW can be taken off your bars

[winged grail]

goated answer ty

[high torrent]

Folks is there a weakaura that will alert me if I drop Shield block during combat?

[winged grail]

pls share if so

I need like a shotgun noise or something when it happens

[high torrent]

I tried making one, it seems to be always on and was wonky

[jagged gust]

You could make a TTS WA that speaks whenever you have 2 charges of SB

[winged grail]

anyone know how to make a seperate grid 2 for just you? and your ragebar etc

like this

or maybe thats a wa idk

what do you guys use to look at hp/rage? a wa?

[halcyon dust]

Looks like Shadowed Unit Frames.

Addon

[winged grail]

oh interesting

[jagged gust]

could just be elvui

[winged grail]

yeah I'm thinking it might just be elvui

it seems to be a hassle

does it update itself now or have to manually update it?

[jagged gust]

wowup will auto update

[winged grail]

ik when I first tried it awhile ago I had to winrar it and manually place it in folder

can you run curse and wowup?

[warm plinth]

No reason why not

[jagged gust]

wowup is a curse alternative, but probably so long as not simultaneously

Otherwise you might run in to wonky autoupdate shenanigans

[winged grail]

is this it?

[jagged gust]

yep

[winged grail]

if I use strictly for elvui

prob should be fine

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can always just set everything else to not auto-update

[winged grail]

I wonder if I need to manually delete elvui first?

cant even remember where I put it

[warm plinth]

If it's not in the addons folder then it doesn't matter

[winged grail]

it still shows up in my add ons in game wow

just have it disabled

I prob better go find it and delete it

[warm plinth]

Then it's in the addons folder

Well

Yeah, nvm I was thinking of something else

[winged grail]

any idea where to go from here?

[jagged gust]

dont delete anything from your wtf folder

interface > addons

[winged grail]

ty

this should be it right?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[winged grail]

ty

[warm plinth]

Those will be put back by the install

[fiery gale]

does prot warri have an ability that can pull extra in the maze?

[jagged gust]

extra in what sense

[fiery gale]

through the mist wall

[warm plinth]

Heroic Throw? Assuming there are still walls that aren't walls in there

[fiery gale]

for example right after first boss, pulling one of the hidden trash packs additionally

[warm plinth]

I think you need a pet for that unless there's new tech

Well, moonkin used to be able to do it with weird flap shit

[jagged gust]

The Pilfered Sweeper toy has been my absolute fucking bane this season

[winged grail]

oh no wowup has all my add ons from curse

[jagged gust]

That thing has a hitbox and fucking aggro table for some reason

[winged grail]

I hit ignore all

[jagged gust]

yeah it should read whats in the folder

[warm plinth]

Is that from uh

Triliax or w/e?

[fiery gale]

many classes still have bugged abilities that act simiar to what got fixed for DKs, pulling through wall. LoS pulling 100 yard ranged mobs etc

[warm plinth]

Ah, that stuff, yeah I'm not up to date on that stuff so

[velvet ermine]

So im on wowhead

Im only seeing MT for M+

Where do i find this secret colossus

[warm plinth]

Like the build or?

[winged grail]

only top player ive seen with colossus is yodawr

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Yodawr

of all the top war's on leaderboard

[tardy abyss]

He didnt play it in a high key tho did he

[winged grail]

i'm not entirely sure, this is like my first day of researching prot war

my new main/alt

[velvet ermine]

He did from what ive heard

[tardy abyss]

In a 14+?

[velvet ermine]

But the build thats on there looks more like an ST one

[tardy abyss]

Thatd be lowkey insane

[fiery gale]

check WCL by spec leaderboard, can select hero tree too

[winged grail]

in his youtube guide he shows MT

[winged grail]

oh nice

[inner wren]

depends on the key.

[winged grail]

I mean ive personally already made up my mind to go mt

just bc tanking>dmg

[inner wren]

Kira does colossus in city for instance

[warm plinth]

The build yoda has on that link is the raid build I'm pretty sure

has massacre and SD

[tardy abyss]

Whats the point of colossus in CoT tho

[inner wren]

U also need to actually look at the key to see what spec they were in

[tardy abyss]

Last boss?

[inner wren]

Not just what they logged out as

[inner wren]

Ya

[tardy abyss]

Seems reasonable

[winged grail]

is there like a match history? he's currently rank 1 in M+

[pallid quiver]

The real reason to become the #1 rated io member of your spec is to log out in a massively troll build to get guppies to fall for it

[winged grail]

LOL

[pallid quiver]

You have to see if there's any logs on the individual dungeon runs

Most of them will only be leaderboards, which I don't think show hero talents

Since most people, including very high end pushers, don't usually log M+

[velvet ermine]

Man, some of their builds look crazy though

[winged grail]

oh fck elvui just reset all my action bars and keybinds

ffffccccck

[pallid quiver]

Don't know who or what you're talking about, but realistically, any amount of build doesn't actually matter that much as compared to living through the pain points of pulls/dungeons, like managing to control all casts and not having people die to one-shots on bosses

You could get away with some massive throwing even in world first keys if you managed that as long as the overall play is fine enough

[tardy abyss]

The tanks damage is never gonna matter ye

[pallid quiver]

Tank's damage does matter, but optimizing the minor points of it is not nearly as important as managing to pull another pack

[fiery gale]

if u didnt find yet. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/39#class=Warrior&spec=Protection&heroTree=62

[pallid quiver]

Because both tanks and DPS will do lots more damage and make key go faster

[fiery gale]

highest key done as colossus is 13, then many 11s

[winged grail]

ty

so mt set in stone

nice

simple is better for new player

[tardy abyss]

Sure but when they do time a super high key they usually have quite some time left meaning that it wouldnt have hurt if the tank did do less damage

[lime mantle]

Question, is there any difference between this:
Everforged longsword and charged slicer?
I can craft the charged one right now and I can't see any difference between them.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the real biggest pain points atm is the party getting murdered by casts

[tardy abyss]

yuuup

First room NW is such a joke now

[pallid quiver]

But eventually, assuming that hurdle gets beat, the only way to realistically go faster is to pull bigger

Since even optimizing DPS output isn't nearly as good as adding more packs, even though they scale hella better than we do

[pallid quiver]

One's a sword and one's an axe.

So realistically, sword would probably be cheaper is the only real difference

Since there should be more bladesmiths around than axesmiths

[lime mantle]

Money isn't taht big an issue tbh and I played myself so I am closer to getting the 5p I need to conc create the slicer 😂

[cobalt wren]

should i craft my shield with haste/verst or haste/crit

[pallid quiver]

All the non-embelish purple craft weps are the same as long as it's got the right primary stat; only difference is mog and prof skills needed to make

[lime mantle]

Idk if hate is a good stat, haste/crit is good tho :^)

[pallid quiver]

Most likely haste/crit, but should just sim to see what does more damage; they're close enough defensively

If hate was a stat, I'd be top tier

[lime mantle]

You can't put an embelishment on a charged slicer?

[cobalt wren]

hahaha haste

[lime mantle]

(Sorry I got NO idea how these new crafting profs work)

[warm plinth]

Generally crafted items with effects are already considered embellishments, no?

[pallid quiver]

When making a crafting order, there's optional ingredients you can add on

[winged grail]

idk if im overwhelmed or what but how do I move the position of a entire action bar in elvui?

[pallid quiver]

Charged Slicer doesn't have an effect already, so you can add one on with an additional ingredient