stats dont really matter that much anyway, just focus on bettering yourself with the spec
#protection
toxic pewter
sleek current
So much mastery out there. It's a plague man but, some mastery is good mastery just watch out for the bad mastery, he's no good, he'll ruin your life, don't do drugs.
fathom prism
REEEEE NO I WOULD MUCH RATRHER FOCUS ON NUMBERS THAN ACTUAL GAMEPLAY REEEEE
yes ur right
toxic pewter
never was about the stats and never will be
sleek current
You can give me your haste if you want, I'll take any crit much appreciated.
fathom prism
Im trynna get like you!!!!
sleek current
Does that mean you'll give me your haste? 😘
I'm absolutely steaming about here. It's going to feel so shit when I replace this stuff in seaosn 2.
tribal wharf
sleek current
Thief! That's my crit!
tribal wharf
i need more critical
sleek current
Give it back
frosty mango
molten pollen
sry where do you see this in logs so i can try to see how to look next times im dumb with logs
sleek current
sry where do you see this in logs so i can try to see how to look next times im ...
When you die, it's really easy. Click deaths and hover your mouse over the healing recieved section. When you don't die, it's a little more difficult as you need to check multiple places and match times.
You can always click on "Damage Taken", click yourself, set the ability to "EXAMPLE BEAM" and look at the DTPS + hover for absorbed details.
You can go to "Healing" and just see that the healers did basically no healing. Only the Shaman was putting in some gas and even then it wasn't amazing by any standard. This however, I know from experience... I raid Mythic, our healers are doing 1.2mil - 2mil per pull.
sleek current
What don't you see. Click on Feast, then hover over it. You can see that specific hit from Queen Ansurak
warm thunder
Dumb question probably; is there a preferred haste % prot warriors should get to?
sleek current
No, greed all the haste you can get and then if that's not available get greedy with crit.
molten pollen
how do you see this ? 🤔
sleek current
That's in deaths
tough patio
I have 2 grips - you have 2 charges. Bizness? 😄
sleek current
Well... Liquefy there is over 37 seconds as indicated by the "Over" column but, effectively... Yeah for 1:21 minutes... You didn't exist to your healers.
Most of the healing you got during that liquefy was actually just an AoE heal, dream breath
molten pollen
lol...
sleek current
This is all of the healing you got from the Paladin between, 00:00 and 00:31 (ish) they just didn't bother.
sleek current
I have 2 grips - you have 2 charges. Bizness? 😄
I resent playing BDK for Ovi'nax and I will continue to do so... No alliance or accorde may be struck while I rage in anguish over my plight.
tough patio
tough patio
When in doubt. Just PI prot war and hide
sleek current
shy knoll
hey team, im struggling to keep Sheildblock up as a 605 prot warrior, playing standard m+ build and my haste is 25%, any tips to keep it up 90% of the time? seem to have it on CD as it falls off.
sleek current
Are you using Heavy Reprecussions?
sleek current
Yes, unless it specifically says "Physical" it's magical
urban portal
Even if physical it can ignore armor through bleed
buoyant lintel
hey team, im struggling to keep Sheildblock up as a 605 prot warrior, playing st...
arew you sure you are using all of your shield slam procs?
sleek current
No one told me I'd need PPE. Lost my hearing years ago, it's too late. 😂
sleek current
😮
Blizzard on some shit
Cracked... Easiest way to test it is to duel someone and just check combat log.
Definitely looks like I was wrong. I feel betrayed.
I guess when they changed the cap from 8 to 5... They made it quieter... Perhaps a new generation of Warriors have been saved.
My new mog
shy knoll
@buoyant lintel pm'd u
sleek current
Bruh, it's not even thunderous roar. 😂 I'm going to bed. Fuck sake. Hahaha
inner wren
hey team, im struggling to keep Sheildblock up as a 605 prot warrior, playing st...
use heavy reps and shield charge
u shouldnt have a problem
lament zealot
Did they change % of mobs in grim batol? Just ran the same route I always do and was 1% short.
mellow bridge
Sonic is physical damage that ignores armor
First boss Arakara does sonic damage too as an example
Isn't reduced by SR, stuff like ams doesn't work
@short meteor
toxic pewter
we should be doin some sonic damage
i want a sonic dam ability
can call it sonic boom
urban portal
Roar should
toxic pewter
i mean bleeds already ignore armor afaik
like demolish should do SONIC damage
that would be badass
urban portal
i mean bleeds already ignore armor afaik
Ye the bleed does but not the initial hit
Changing it to sonic would make initial hit ignore
Which doesn’t make a big difference but is cool
mighty valley
It’s pretty literally sonic
Demolish is just hitting real hard with a stick
Not very sonic
fervent thorn
what as prot war can i swap for disrupting shout that doesn't cause significant defense problems for m+
turbid shuttle
It's physical. I checked this in logs a couple weeks ago. Seems like all shout type abilities use this. E.g. Siege enforcers. Probably crawth.
turbid shuttle
what as prot war can i swap for disrupting shout that doesn't cause significant ...
Bloodsurge
fervent thorn
Bloodsurge
aight ill try that thanks
sick sentinel
want to ask if i craft one hand 636 i can't upgrade off hand free right
still need crest for it?
sand smelt
should i craft a 636 weapon, or 636 bracers. I have a 619 shipwrecker's bludgeon, and 606 dredger's armplates
trying to decide if the extra weapon damage is more beneficial than extra stats
also do not raid mythic
so vaults only source of myth track
half sapphire
guys. I just learned you can spell reflect tentacles in GB... what nonsense is this?
any other non-senseical bs I should know about?
royal rune
is everforged belt the craft for waist?
muted arch
Where would you guys suggest going to form an m+ team? Dont think I can handle another failed 12 attempt with a pug lol
urban portal
There should be discords
And as a tank you should be able to get into groups easily
So add people who are good
winged grail
Where would you guys suggest going to form an m+ team? Dont think I can handle a...
12 fails sounds excessive, what specifically are you trying to do? Do you know the route/boss's?
muted arch
No not 12 failed runs, mythic +12 keys getting failed often by pugs
winged grail
Oh that I can understand, I got up to 11's then started making alts
i'm looking at publiks wa's. Anyone else have a good recommendation of a WA from themselves or someone they follow? Looking for something to have without action bars
cursive jacinth
recently started tanking my keys why is my damage reduction from block 41.03% is there a stat or talent increasing the damage it blocks or is that the baseline?
urban portal
It’s your block value that changes this number
cursive jacinth
oh ok
urban portal
Bigger shield more it blocks
cursive jacinth
I guess thats why my friend crafted a shield
hushed harbor
if im crafting a weapon is there a specific one that is best? i see the damage ranges are different on the mace/sword/axe
or does it not matter at all
hushed harbor
cool cool thanks
deft mortar
12s srsly ain't fun without being on voice
wooden widget
Craft a 2h weapon then you can upgrade your best shield and 1h to 636 for just valorstones
If you can get mythic track
Idk if you raid
deft mortar
Tbf I am tired of M+ now at this point
May quit
Game
And come back next season
Never gonna hit 0.1% with pugs
wooden widget
Yeah mythic definitely feels bad to pug this season
deft mortar
Atleast got my 2.5k and all 10s
shut badger
So i'm insanely good at forgetting to use Shield Block (i know it's basically our main ability to use don't judge me). Is there some kind of macro to close that could potentionally help me having a highter uptime? I know it's also not great to use both charges but could be somewhat nice to make improvements
zealous goblet
how does wow calculate player position while charging? does it actively update as you charge? or does it only calculate start and end position? im asking because in stonevault, i was kiting the mobs who shred armor, and when i charged back in with shield block up, i died nearly instantly. i was wondering if first of all, i blocked the hits as i charged past the melees to the casters or if i got hit in the back and if second of all, how sus the death is on my part https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nYKxDVCMZG9fNBgQ#fight=14&type=deaths&source=632&start=30739970&end=30850195&death=1
zealous goblet
So i'm insanely good at forgetting to use Shield Block (i know it's basically ou...
first thing i'd like to say is remember that shield block stacks up to x3 its duration
so just make sure you have no charges left to use of it
winged grail
Tbf I am tired of M+ now at this point
I got to 11's then made a alt, was healer main
plus want to talk about terrible, imagine pugs being bad and being the healer class no one wants
toxic pewter
So i'm insanely good at forgetting to use Shield Block (i know it's basically ou...
What keybind do you have set for it
nova lance
Any reason I shouldnt make a SS/Sb macro instead of a SS/IP macro?
spark lichen
Any reason I shouldnt make a SS/Sb macro instead of a SS/IP macro?
it's IP/SS
winged grail
being the most meta tank is the best position to be in for high keys/pugs
regardless of how bad it is
violet ginkgo
Any reason I shouldnt make a SS/Sb macro instead of a SS/IP macro?
Because IP must be used more often.
Also for me I use IP+SS macro and SB+SS macro then 1 separate SS as always.
nova lance
right on. Thanks man
rotund moon
What stats scale ignore pain?
urban nimbus
Is Ovi'nax Mercurial Egg any good as Mountain Thane Prot?
unborn sun
How much worse than thane is colossus for M+?
violet ginkgo
too much management for that mercurial egg, you might want easier trinket to manage.
jagged gust
It sims very well, though
urban nimbus
I have Sacbrood, Ovinax and Swarmlord
I just got Ovinax from weekly on heroic track
jagged gust
How much worse than thane is colossus for M+?
It's not that colon is worse, it does more damage but has less rage to spend on IP and loses keep your feet on the ground so it has less mitigation in comparison
urban nimbus
Im guessing Ovinax is better as far as DPS but Swarmlord is op because it helps us survive more?
rotund moon
What stats scale ignore pain?
does no one know?
urban nimbus
Wouldnt that just be raw strength or something, it scales off the damage we do
grim pilot
rotund moon
thank you
violet ginkgo
Im guessing Ovinax is better as far as DPS but Swarmlord is op because it helps ...
maybe swarmlord will help you manage a bit more for high key where damage is real but if you are not doing really high key, don't bother with swarmlord.
urban nimbus
IM doing 11's - 12s
urban nimbus
Nah I usually never fall over
jagged gust
Pretty sure Swarmlord is a crutch due to low ilvl, people seem to really want to force ITF early
urban nimbus
these are my trinkets
they're all heroic track
except the timewalking and pheromone
violet ginkgo
well treacherous transmitter might benefit you more than swarmlord?
that is 10K+ extra strength for your burst.
urban nimbus
Okay, this is my first season tanking. Is there a better trinket for me I should farm or just switch to the transmitter?
I saw on Murlok.io most mountain thane used swamrlords thats why
urban nimbus
I got it from the vault last week 😉
high aspen
does no one know?
ill double down on what the other guy said, ignore pain cap is increased by health, pushing it to get the IP buff scales with vers and strength/ap
jagged gust
Okay, this is my first season tanking. Is there a better trinket for me I should...
As far as DPS goes, literally any other trinket, the heal is insignificant and the damage is abysmal
jagged gust
the most important upgrade
sick sentinel
tried the NW pull in a 10 and I was getting fisted tbh
deft mortar
finally 11M hp unbuffed
high aspen
these are my trinkets
if you are wanting to do damage, id go skarmorak shard and ovinax egg/sacbrood.
if you are wanting to live id keep what you have on.
assuming its m+
violet ginkgo
is a 606 shield -> 636 shield a huge upgrade?
huge? it's giga.
violet ginkgo
Okay, this is my first season tanking. Is there a better trinket for me I should...
well mark of khardos the one from grim batol is also nice to have they said, easier to manage than transmitter because you don't have to do task, press button insta mastery.
jagged gust
jagged gust
Just to reinforce the point of how little it's doing overall
0.37% overall DPS, 10.8% healing
high aspen
sac MIGHT be close to it defensively even lmao
oak ivy
Do we have an actual percentage/raw stat value for the point at which ITF lets you perma shield block
the most i've heard is "too much"
jagged gust
Well that's because it's true, can't really get access to those levels of haste in S1
Used to be something like 40%, now it's closer to 45 since the ITF nerf
frigid smelt
So Battle-Scarred Vet seems like a strong cheat death talent, Is it that the other talents are too strong to not run it?
ocean nova
So Battle-Scarred Vet seems like a strong cheat death talent, Is it that the oth...
you basically lose damage for bsv which is shun upon
the trade off is usually ravager for bsv
spark lichen
for arakara last boss, i'm trying to time the leap to avoid the big bang when there's 1s left, but sometimes he knocks me up and it cancels my cast
do i time the jump based on the cast time remaining or something else
ocean nova
never seen anyone do that but why would you add risk to the fight?
if you leap to a slime puddle its probably just as fast and safer
south zealot
you basically lose damage for bsv which is shun upon
you lose more consistent survability with the rage generated from ravager too
urban portal
So Battle-Scarred Vet seems like a strong cheat death talent, Is it that the oth...
drop one of the stat nodes
in front of ravager/shield charge
south zealot
do not do that
urban portal
is that actually worse than dropping ravager
ocean nova
you lose more consistent survability with the rage generated from ravager too
also true, ive tried bsv and didnt get much value from it
south zealot
the one above shield charge is not droppable ever
literally never ever
enduring alacrity is super good too
spark lichen
never seen anyone do that but why would you add risk to the fight?
to get orbs so the boss doesn't get them
and also more dps uptime
south zealot
2% haste 8% armor which gives strength
spark lichen
never seen anyone do that but why would you add risk to the fight?
quazi does it, kira does it on +15....
south zealot
never seen anyone do that but why would you add risk to the fight?
its super consistent
ocean nova
quazi does it, kira does it on +15....
im speaking personally but if you can do it consistently then i dont see why not
spark lichen
i was doing it consistently a few days ago, but since i've had to account for us/oce ping, it's janky
i think it needs to be >0.6s on cast
sharp gale
do i time the jump based on the cast time remaining or something else
You jump after your character do the little jump, it means the boss grabbed you
south zealot
You jump after your character do the little jump, it means the boss grabbed you
the 3rd time
first 2 are lil baby sucks
ocean nova
just saw him do it, realistically speaking how much extra dps will you get from doing that?
spark lichen
there's loads of benefits, ie, giving a pool to someone else
sharp gale
just saw him do it, realistically speaking how much extra dps will you get from ...
Like 10 seconds and an add you don’t need to deal with
ocean nova
they got like 7 pools on the ground
sharp gale
they got like 7 pools on the ground
You never did ara with a mage or a dk ? They also don’t go in pools
ocean nova
no i did but ive also seen some fuck ups with it
10 seconds at 900k dps is like 0.1% of the bosses health (at the +15)
does that thing one shot you?
sharp gale
I guess in 15 the add spawning has some health
But anyway if you can do it why not, it’s kinda simple tbh
ocean nova
adds seem to melt from the clip they might not scale with the affix
but have to check logs to confirm
does it one shots you if you fuck it up?
ocean nova
But anyway if you can do it why not, it’s kinda simple tbh
just looking at the risk to benefit
sharp gale
I would guess, I fucked up 3 time in a row in an 8 the first time i tried so it didn’t killed me
sharp gale
just looking at the risk to benefit
There is 0 risk if you know you can do it
Be confident, you are not supposed to failed something these players knows what they do
ocean nova
saying if you know you can do it implies that there is a risk lol
sharp gale
saying if you know you can do it implies that there is a risk lol
No if you know you can do it means you will not fail since you know you can do it
Because you tried in 40 ara Kara 7s farming the egg
Or because every time you do ara Kara you do it and it don’t fail so you know you are capable of jumping that
Like the last pull of ara Kara the one with the slow and the stun AoE
fiery gale
What is a rough estimate of what my DPS end of run should be at about 610 ilvl?
I think I wasnt above 500k once, wondering why it is so low
most of the time i need to spent all my rage on SB and IP, so cant really up the dps with revenge. Then just using SS, roar, shield charge, TC etc on CD
Cant be much more to it that im missing I guess
606 weapon though
cosmic canyon
question about crafting; can you create a base say, weapon with a spark of omens at say around 600iL and then upgrade it all the way to 636? or are you limited by what you initially invest into the item even if it's highest quality stuff that goes into it? (shy of the crests)
ocean nova
question about crafting; can you create a base say, weapon with a spark of omens...
you can recraft but its not efficient to for example craft it with heroic crest then upgrade to mythic
because of the seasonal cap you would want to avoid wasting crest
ive crafted my 2 weekest pieces from champ straight to mythic
by doing that i had more heroic crest to dump into other stuff
cosmic canyon
ive crafted my 2 weekest pieces from champ straight to mythic
ty
violet ginkgo
can the shadowflame slash in grimbatol be spell blocked?
I thought you already read the pinned post on spellreflect document on the other day?
it's in there too.
alpine goblet
Do you guys think about rerolling dractyr for tail swipe?
toxic valley
Tailswipe is evoker only unfortunately https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24145980/20th-anniversary-celebration-update-notes
tender reef
What is a rough estimate of what my DPS end of run should be at about 610 ilvl?
You could post some logs.
If you play thane, you shouldn't have roar.
And if you play collosuss and have to spend all your rage on surviving you should change to thane
If you're thane and you have roar you should check out nomeraturs guide on wow head
tender reef
606 weapon though
Also you should do your best to get the 636 crafted one asap 
Depends on if you already run 8
Embellishment should be gem laser
This is a laser gem discord
Gem laser bis
That's you with double laser gem embellishment
(I don't even know if it stacks) 🤷♂️
tender reef
do i time the jump based on the cast time remaining or something else
I always try to time it on 1 second. So when the cast timer shows 1 I press the jump which means I jump at around 0.9-0.5 😅 never failed me
But it's nice to pump more dmg and you can ignore the blue bobs
Then use charge to go right back in with extra rage
Love it
Anyway, what are we doing about prot warri being meta ? @strong forum do you have feelings about playing meta class Numero 1 ?
I think about rerolling 
spark lichen
I always try to time it on 1 second. So when the cast timer shows 1 I press the ...
The bump thing sometimes fucks me
torn gulch
On 10 you can do that key with any class
sweet summit
bring the player not the class
torn gulch
That s a problem of skill not a problem of comp
sweet summit
and maybe consider engineering if you don't have priest/rogue
dawn canyon
theres some raid pwar log in the channel
i dont tank raid but it looks like they arent doin so hot - might be worth lookin at
gm erga
sweet summit
gm philhoney
dawn canyon
sorry phil i have 0 idea about raid too <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
i just looked at their buffs at the time they died
no sb
sweet summit
and start your own little club
dawn canyon
idk if infest is blockable but i doubt HC tanksmash hits for 18 mil
dawn canyon
and start your own little club
sweet summit
something is wrong with the sheet surely this isn't intentional :/
swift kiln
Hey, would it be acceptable to go into diminishing returns with haste as a prot warrior or should i focus on vers/crit as soon as i hit the 30 % haste threshold? thanks!
rough crater
I see more and more warriors go for vers/haste instead of crit/haste, reasons?
shut badger
What keybind do you have set for it
Right now my keybind is set to button 2, it should be very easy to remember but for some reason i just don't use it
I don't knwo if it's because it requires rage to use but it might be
sweet summit
I see more and more warriors go for vers/haste instead of crit/haste, reasons?
because the ones you're seeing are probably doing 15s at this point, where the consistency of vers is a lot more attractive than rng parry i think
blazing condor
compare your logs
sweet summit
press the right button the right time
sweet summit
a common fault is low shield slam casts, or just low casts in general
blazing condor
also ppl throwing outburst on thunder clap
void wadi
so just spam shield slam/thunderclap?
sweet summit
shield slam and tc on cooldown kinda literally
don't overcap rage so you get more CDR on avatar through AM
void wadi
also ppl throwing outburst on thunder clap
u use that on AOE right?
shut badger
first thing i'd like to say is remember that shield block stacks up to x3 its du...
What exactly do you mean by having no charges left? Don't we usally want to keep atleast one charge up so we can keep it up?
blazing condor
What exactly do you mean by having no charges left? Don't we usally want to keep...
ideally yeah
sweet summit
i think it's tc on 4 (as thane, 8 as colossus) and tb on 2 for damage
SS is never "wrong" to spend outburst on
shut badger
I'm just kinda figuring out why i never use shield block, it might just be because i'm new to the spec
blazing condor
just do what you need to have it up whenever you take blockable damage
void wadi
i think it's tc on 4 (as thane, 8 as colossus) and tb on 2 for damage
SS is neve...
oh thanks ok so using TB for outburst is still good
shut badger
Yea well i was just in a dawn, it went pretty well so far but ended up getting real bad when i went to the church. I didn't have shield block up for like 3 seconds and then i just straight up died
blazing condor
yep thats kinda how it be
shut badger
I believe it was the mobs at the stairs outside the church
blazing condor
we rely on shield block
sweet summit
that's void rushes no? can only block that with spell block up too
shut badger
I might also have to look at what cds actually gives me rage because i didn't have any rage for either Ignore Pain or Shield Block
shut badger
that's void rushes no? can only block that with spell block up too
It was kinda all 4 mobs who just yeeted me to the void
sweet summit
yeah i'd make sure to have shield wall for that pull
shut badger
Yea well i didn't really have any rage for anything so i don't know what i could've done
Although i did have Shield Charge, i could've probably have used that as my ability to pull the mobs
valid pecan
Is treacherous transmitter good for tanking?
shut badger
I mean you sometimes have to move to gain the effect. I suppose if there aren't frontals in a pull then you can safely do it
winged grail
Anyone got a clean ui/wa they recommend to import from someone?
idk the top prot warr's rn
shut badger
Well i pretty much use standard Blizzard UI, i know some people dislike using that
winged grail
more so trying to get rid of actions bar and not have to spend time creating a wa
shut badger
Well this is pretty much what mine looks like, might give you some ideas. My actionbars are just hidden by bartender but not fully because then i forget where they are
tender reef
The bump thing sometimes fucks me
I don't know, I might be to slow of a jumper.
Never happened to me
winged grail
Well this is pretty much what mine looks like, might give you some ideas. My act...
I might just alters wowheads wa and use elvui like this guy
sweet summit
good luck 👍
ocean nova
I might just alters wowheads wa and use elvui like this guy
Not enough stimulus
Gotta add more shit
ivory mica
Hi Everyone! Quick question about one of our skill Spell block.
How is this actually working? I was thinking for sometime that its pretty much version of spell reflect, without reflect part, more like deflection.
Tooltip say youre able to block spells and while i am using it, but i can definitely see being still hit by spells ^^ is this same mechanic like with shield block? That only some part of it I am able to block it or is this completely something else
shut badger
Hi Everyone! Quick question about one of our skill Spell block.
How is this act...
Well you pretty much need to have shield block up for spell block to work if that's what you're asking
ivory mica
There you go, thats why sometimes is working, sometime not ^^ cheers mate!
shut badger
But there's also a great video about it saw the other day it might help you understand it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3H5Up2OurU
It's only a few minutes long so it can probably give you some insight
ivory mica
But there's also a great video about it saw the other day it might help you unde...
Thanks a lot!
cursive leaf
do we have any guide for using spell block? iam not sure against which spell it is working?
like vs the interruptable casts of the mobs?
or vs. like the bomber "auto attacks" from boralus?
tribal wharf
if its a spell like a bolt that is aimed directy at you (sometimes even if its a volley (mass bolts at once))
so it wont work for, fire is put on ground
or, boss aims a fire ball the hits the ground, boss explodes a player and near by players with arcane damage
some debuffs, you can even just reflect back onto the enemy, huge value from in WCM
tribal wharf
20% dmg for 20s
you are right, some of the logic i said earlier applies to reflect
but spell block is very powerful is what im trying to say
if you want to to know what is blockable with regular shield block or spell block, or reflectable, you can find link to that in this discord
cursive leaf
ahh ty
tribal wharf
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml# you were asking about siege so this is the siege page
click the blue links at top of that page to view other dungeons and raids
torn current
can someone help me i wanna know how do i use swarmlord trinket properly do i have to tracks something or can i just use it on on cd
cursive leaf
it does so little for me, around 0,6-7%
i think just macro it for some spells and let it go
the real value is the dmg red
fathom spoke
Is bolster worth taking over spell block with low gear and haste?
shut badger
So turns out i was using Ignore Pain way too much comparing to Shield Block. I guess that explains my downtime of Shield Block
Going from 20% uptime to 50% uptime is till a nice improvement
fathom spoke
Im quite new to prot but as far as i can tell if u have a charge of shield block and the mob is gonna stay alive for more than like 6 seconds or so id always press block over ip
tardy abyss
Going from 20% uptime to 50% uptime is till a nice improvement
50% is still brutally low
shut badger
50% is still brutally low
I didn't say that
fathom spoke
Whats your haste%?
Shield charge gives you a few secs of block which can be extended with shield slam if ur waiting on a charge
tardy abyss
You should be 90%+ regardless of your haste
fathom spoke
I should check my uptime, i only did like 3 keys on this character
tardy abyss
Unless you're playing ITF (which you shouldn't) you're never really in a situation with downtime
sudden moth
Hey folks I wonder with haste > crit >= versa what should I pick between Haste&Mastery vs Crit& Versa.( I will ofc upgrade to 616 as well)
stone moat
Haste
tardy abyss
Hey folks I wonder with haste > crit >= versa what should I pick between Haste&M...
Highest ilvl, haste if equal
sudden moth
Alright, ty!
grim grotto
for intervene, is it possible to bind like click on normal group window frame by blizzard ? or do i still need an addon for that . i think it was clique
tardy abyss
for intervene, is it possible to bind like click on normal group window frame by...
If you have it bound on a mouse button a mouseover macro does the job
I tried something similar with clique but it didn't work but that might have been a skill issue from my side
shut badger
the macro also works without a mouse keybind
tardy abyss
They want to use a mouse click tho
grim grotto
yes. i binded now shift left click to intervene with clique. dont want a new extra key for that^^
maiden nimbus
The double pull in grim batol before the 2nd boss (where the group stands in the safe spot)
Is there something I should be doing as a tank to make it “safer” for my group? People always seem to get hit by a frontal or avoidable damage. Not sure if there is something I can do differently
dire nimbus
Hey guys, I need second opinions on this. I have Swarmlords Authority on 606 (LFR), Sacbrood (626) and 639 Ceaseless gland. What do you think my trinket comp should be?
fast oracle
good trinket? bad trinket? compared to swarmlord's
sweet summit
stinky
strong forum
Anyway, what are we doing about prot warri being meta ? <@192743144276623360> do...
It will change soon
jagged pier
prot palla inc
slate pilot
Is there a spreadsheet of particularly good usecases for Intervene in current seasons' dungeons?
high torrent
Sorry basic macro questions - /cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Taunt;Taunt
will attempt cast on a mouse over target first and if none exists then over my target itself right?
slate pilot
Sorry basic macro questions - /cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Taunt;Taunt
will a...
According to ChatGPT - yes.
high torrent
hah ok
vale karma
prot palla inc
I still don't understand if that's a meme or not, cause most of the paladins I spoke to are giga tilted by the class tree rework
lime mantle
Hey I am doing some macro work and I wanted a macro that lets me change cast at target of target via shift (so I can intervene without having to switch targets or look at 5 different spots), I know this used to be possible back in bfa when charge and intervene where the same button and people in pvp say it is possible but I can't make it work for the life of me.
#showtooltip /use [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[mod:shift,@targettarget,exists,help] Intervene; [harm] Charge; Intervene
What's wrong here?
lime mantle
Also for 13+ you should really look into not pugging them.
But that also tilts people kek
vale karma
huh? I said they are unhappy with the class tree rework that's comming in 11.0.5
not that it's a bad tank, but we are saying if they will become number 1 meta
brittle owl
low chance of pally being no.1 meta
inland raft
I still don't understand if that's a meme or not, cause most of the paladins I s...
With rework pally is going to be straight up better then protwar while having group utility as well who is complaining?
brittle owl
top pushing tanks rarely jive with pally playstyle
also prot pally doesn't have group utility
it has self utility
😎
tardy abyss
Prot pally really isnt fun tbh
brittle owl
aura is based anyway
vale karma
they also do insane dps even on normal pulls so there is that
brittle owl
and who casts wog on other people
vale karma
like 1.1mn overal with W routes
brittle owl
what are you some healer
tardy abyss
like 1.1mn overal with W routes
So like...any other tank?
vale karma
So like...any other tank?
I've never done or seen 1mn overall in W +10 dungeon from a warrior tank
where you pull 1-2 packs at the time
strong forum
I've never done or seen 1mn overall in W +10 dungeon from a warrior tank
That's sad
Sorry you have to go through that
strong forum
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deep
strong forum
Speaking of shitter, my mcd order is coming soon
vale karma
what did you get?
strong forum
2x bigmac 2x chicken ceasar wrap
inland raft
Did you see the post of the lady who got a burger from mcd and someone had shot a load in it?
tardy abyss
mcd ceasar wrap goes hard
strong forum
That sounds like an American thing
brittle owl
big tasty and quarter pounder still best mcd menu items
shoutout to big mac as welll
there is a time for 4x regular cheesburger though
sweet summit
nasty
tardy abyss
Good times when a cheeseburger was just 1€ in Germany
strong forum
I miss it
tardy abyss
Now its like what, 4€ or so
strong forum
Inflation can't explain why some things tripled or quadrupled in price
deft hinge
i guys are lucky
strong forum
I member even getting long chickens from burgerking for like 1.90€ like 8 years ago
Now that thing is like 6+
inland raft
Ya i cant justify fast food and im by no means struggling. Just its cheaper yo go to a sit down proper restaurant nowadays for more food
tardy abyss
Is it really cheaper tho
tribal wharf
inland raft
Yes i can get 3 tacos, a burrito, with a side of nachos, rice, and beans for less then a quesadilla and cheesy gordita crunch from taco bell for example
tribal wharf
i thought "long chicken" was a mis translation or similiar when i read it
inland raft
At my local Mexican joint
Another example is local sub shop i can get a giant sub with half a kilo of actual freshcut meat instead of fake meat subway has for same price maybe less then a foot long
inner oracle
Question is can you use spell reflect to avoid being hit by McDonald’s « food »
cinder marsh
hey what price do yall think is the best for the wow token
its on 200k rn just dont know if i should go ahead a buy it or wait
inland raft
Just find a community to do key sales with tbh 200k for $20 is yikes
swift orbit
So we aren’t all mass migrating to prot paladin then on Wednesday because Yoda has a vid of him doing damage???
I was ready to reroll immediately
inland raft
Im rerolling to ret paladin and by rerolling i mean im playing an alt ret not actually rerolling
Though my friends keep trying to place me back in tank jail every time i log into him
I conveniently dont have a shield though
strange comet
So we aren’t all mass migrating to prot paladin then on Wednesday because Yoda h...
I’d only reroll because ret is good in raid and I dps for raid. But my raid lead prob wouldn’t like a 2nd main swap lol
inland raft
Are you i. A rtwf or top 10 guild? If not why would they care if swapping to what feel is fun as long as it puts up the numbers needed?
strange comet
No not rwf lol but I swapped to war for a specific reason and I like the guild to do well so that’s why I wouldn’t switch again
Basically jus not being selfish
vale karma
the one that gives vers or crit
inland raft
I havnt mythic raided since bfa/beginning of sl since i just dont enjoy raiding/dont have time for it anymore but i would swap my character out based on boss loot for what i needed for whichever character for m+, i was top dps in my guild regardless of what i brought so never got any complaints about it
strange comet
yes, haven't oyu heard about SeeNinetyThree Echo ?
Also I’m offended you put me in echo lol
vale karma
😦 world second guild
inland raft
I mean it wasnt method; thats the insulting one given their history
strange comet
Lmao true
vale karma
I mean what history? just 1 creepy dude
out of 30+ people
well 2 if Zelia thing is true
strange comet
I havnt mythic raided since bfa/beginning of sl since i just dont enjoy raiding/...
Im honestly not a big fan of raiding so that’s part of it too. If I can play a class that helps us not wipe more because of rally or burst damage than I will so I can go back to keys
vale karma
so more of a pattern I guess
inland raft
That leadership knew about and covered up because they wanted to win
Thats how echo originally came to be, members who were upset with finding out how much leadership had known and not acted on the situation and left the guild
strange comet
Also I don’t like taking gear from people who are sticking to a class just to swap a week later. That’s fucked up lol
inland raft
Why you earn it as a player not as a character
vale karma
are you mythic raiding? @strange comet
strange comet
Yeah
Doesn’t make sense to take gear away from other players just to not use it lol
Especially when there’s only some pieces from raid that are good. Everything else you can get on your own
inland raft
If you use it in m+ you still use it, assume tou help guildmates out with their weekly keys, my experience with mid tier mythic raiding guikds is have a couple m+ers and the rest who see it as a chore
strange comet
Yeah but if your rotating 5 characters and taking loot your still taking loot from people who would use it in raid and not using it
and also not using it in keys
tender reef
It will change soon
True, time for collosuss 🍊
Also gotta change my char name I now got a good one
Does that delete all my logs ?
inland raft
I mean i see the argument i just dont feel it matters if not in a top tier guild competing for top 10 or at the very least hof
People will get so many vaults and reclears of bosses that gear from individual kills barely makes an impact
tender reef
With the right team you can compete with full off meta, and even if you don't make it top 10, even top 50 would be something to be really proud of
strange comet
I think doing something that doesn’t benefit you all the time to help the guild isn’t limited to hof
inland raft
Woah woah bm? Thats a step too far, though i saw they had a long list of notes in patch but i dont play hunter, will they do non-negative dps next week?
My 582 pally outdpss 625 bms consistently, its sad
tender reef
Naaaah
inland raft
I know nothing of hunter, is it a numbers thing or just a sheer bad design issue?
inland raft
im speaking from m+ experience idk about raid
tender reef
Haven't seen any in m+ 
strong forum
Also gotta change my char name I now got a good one
You can merge characters on your wcl profile
Bm aoe dmg is non-existant
tender reef
You can merge characters on your wcl profile
Thanks 🙏
tender reef
But solo target is good no
strong forum
Their ST is top end
tender reef
They are the bosskiller
strong forum
Ye but in m+ you want a class that's atleast decent at aoe
tender reef
And can focus like emissary or casters
strong forum
If you do only St and 0 aoe then it's counter productive
tender reef
But the idea is off meta hero
strong forum
So MM shines more
tender reef
Which 3 DPS would you pick ?
strong forum
Any hunter spec is offmeta
strong forum
For true off-meta?
WW, arms aaaaand
tender reef
Brew holy Pala BM enhancement aaaaand shadow priest. Let's go
This is the team
inland raft
Ww low key pumps
tender reef
Haven't seen a single one ngl
inland raft
Really?
tender reef
strong forum
strong forum
Get ready for a sudden surge after reset
Shaman is getting even meatier
You'll see a lot of fotm rollers
inland raft
I feel i see them and dk the most in my applications to my keys
strong forum
Even more than before
tender reef
I don't wanna play brew, so I prolly play Pala tank
But then I need different healer
Mhhh
strong forum
Pala is never meta meta to me cuz its not braindead
strong forum
Disc is incredible
tender reef
My brain hurts
strong forum
Pres is incredible
tender reef
Pres?
strong forum
Preservation evoker
inland raft
Pally isnt braindead but it feels more simple then before mainly because feels like got to spend more resources on self and less for team
inland raft
I miss the old days when as gave hp and had infinite resources
inland raft
Now i can only spare the occassional free wog on people it feels like
tender reef
I will have to think about it, but thanks 🙏 I'm so tired.
Have a good one
inland raft
Though im also super undergeared for the keys been doing on him
Been doing 9/10s at 580-590 and feels like i have no room to spend on anything but keeping myself up
But prefer to ret when i can on him right now much more chill at this ilvl
rocky igloo
If we have low haste (15%) and using bolster + HR do I use a haste flask or alchemical chaos?
inland raft
Bolster+hr?
Should have no issues with block with hr
But alchemical chaos is the play for flasks
strong forum
HR alone is enough, don't need bolster ontop of that to get uptime
bitter zealot
Hey all so I'm tired of the que boss as a dps so I wanna tank and prot warrior seems like the coolest ideal tank. Question about the IP shield slam macro I seen. Will that rage starve me if I press it every reset of slam? Or should I only press it at current times?
sweet summit
you will not replace shield slam with the macro
you replace ignore pain with the macro
inland raft
You press it when you want to press ip slam should have its own button still
Its just so can snipe a reset if get one when press ip
Its very minimal since most of the time pressing ip during gcd its just free to use macro so no reason not to use it
bitter zealot
Should I should press that macro only with the resets of SS?
inland raft
You oress it when pressing ip instead of just ip
bitter zealot
Should I always have IP up/max "absorb"?
inland raft
Dont think much about it, just put the macro in the place if your ip button
You will generally have it up with proper play as you really just press shield slam and thunderclap and spend rage on ip to prevent overcapping
But its mainly about the rage spend to get more avatars and walls then it is about the absorb, shield block is the mitigation
inland raft
Even the free procs are lowest priority if have nothing else to press
Ip is off gcd revenge uses a global
onyx vessel
rage dump when nothing else is up
inland raft
Especially with mountain thane chances are shield slam or thunderclap will be available most globals
bitter zealot
Ah so revenge isn't a big deal? I don't need to use it that much
inland raft
Now if playing colossus then yes revenge becomes a big deal
But most play mountain thane
bitter zealot
I'm playing thane
bitter zealot
No problem with agro I assume clap is enough?
inland raft
You could take revenge off bars and not really lose all that much, it would still be a loss but really not that huge its lowest priority button
strong forum
It's still your 4th most pressed button
bitter zealot
Tbh new tank I'm more worried about dying then max dps for now
strong forum
#1 SS
#2 IP
#3 TC/TB
#4 revenge
inland raft
Im definitely being hyperbolic lol
onyx vessel
nah i doubt its 4th
inland raft
5th would be block
bitter zealot
Why is block 5th?
strong forum
Cuz you press block ~5 times a minute
bitter zealot
Isn't that the biggest defense thing to keep up?
inland raft
Yes but cd and also with hr and yhane sometimes your fully capped on block uptime
onyx vessel
technically 5th is execute
strong forum
How do Plan to press something more than 5 times per minute if it takes 12sec for 1 cast
bitter zealot
Gotcha any other tips I should know about prot? I'm start on 2s
strong forum
Press cooldowns on cooldown
Prio ss>tc>revenge
Press IP at 60-80 rage
That's the mega crash course
Go ham
onyx vessel
dont run double wall 
strong forum
That's some high brow complaining
With the talent choices, that doesn't matter for learning the class
bitter zealot
Following that I won't have any rage issues?
strong forum
Yup
inland raft
I still cant understand why double wall is used unless theres some super specific pull discussed with a group for it
inland raft
Especially with thane and all the resets on ss i feel i have wall constantly
bitter zealot
Thanks for the tips! Any other macros or wa that are helpful? Outside what i seen posted on like wowhead
strong forum
Not rly
onyx vessel
i use BSV so i can 
harder
bitter zealot
Oh on the class tree under avatar what benfit should I take?
inland raft
I think i used it once in temple of jade serpent thinking would help with the one chick and then realized it wasnt worth
strong forum
Unstoppable force
onyx vessel
1 less button can save your ass if your newer as well
strong forum
99/100 times
bitter zealot
Ty! Wasn't sure as the shield wall sounds good
strong forum
Thane requires unstoppable force
onyx vessel
^
bitter zealot
I tried brew monk and struggled with agro when people went ham. Do prot have any issues like that? Could and probably is a me issue
strong forum
Threat is directly related to damage output
strong forum
If you do shit dmg, you will lose threat
inland raft
Unless tou arwnt pressing buttons properly
But if you are still gathering and a ret or fury for example presses everything before you have everything gathered
bitter zealot
A ret pally did like a 3 m burst was hard to get threat back from him
inland raft
Nothing you can do about that unless have aoe taunt up
I often intervene rets on pull
toxic pewter
most issues can actually be solved by just pressing buttons faster
onyx vessel
aoe taunt does exist but brew has this as well requires a bit more skill and a marco
inland raft
Because as someone who plays ret i understand the temptation to just start going
Wake and divine toll just so fun to press
onyx vessel
inland raft
Its rare but ive had it in the above situations with rets and furys specifically
onyx vessel
matters who you play with
inland raft
Again its mainly when they go before you stop
bitter zealot
In the 2s I done the dps like to go ahead and pull and some then get mad that they have threat
inland raft
Well sometimes im a mile ahead of them still pulling and theyve blown their load on some no name mob over in Africa. First pull ara is a common one
Im at the mini boss and a ret has stopped at bridge and blown his load
toxic pewter
it is my view if I lose aggro I did not do enough and I have failed my group, worst of all I have failed myself.. that shame is what I will have to live with
onyx vessel
not needed plus hard to slot it in
you drop like bloodsurge which feels horrible to lose
inland raft
If you know what pulls you will use it in before the dungeon starts and plan around it its good but def bot something you will think of as learn class
bitter zealot
Even tho pugs never kick? That's why I was thinking it would save my life in some dungs
inland raft
99% of people will never need it
bitter zealot
Was thinking like the pack in NW has the mini boss in it
bitter zealot
Ah!!!
onyx vessel
if your talking low keys yeah they arent gonna kick anything
onyx vessel
toxic pewter
I use orbs for trash pulls personally
that mini boss and then after 2nd boss big pull
inland raft
I use orb on mini boss an orb on pull to the right of bridge where i pull basically the entire area ar once and an orb upstairs in a big pull with double caster
onyx vessel
mind you my best NW is a 5 at 2181
i hate that dungeon got no gear i need from it not doing it
inland raft
Though i havnt made a new route with the monstrosity changes i think can cut out some mobs with that change i havnt even looked at it
bitter zealot
Mini boss can't be skipped right?
inland raft
You can if pull gatekeepers
But you stealth or classes that can skip other ways warrior can leap skip it but need whole group to have a way to
bitter zealot
Ah so he doesn't have like a detect or anything?
inland raft
No
But hes worth a lot of % so unless pulling gatekeepers gonna need him
I dont bother skipping
I drag the pat onto him even
toxic pewter
I still am not a fan of pulling gatekeepers personally but maybe im missing something
inland raft
I didnt used to be but adter 2 nerfs theres really not a reason to at least do one at start with lust
scarlet stone
Gatekeepers just much easier than him and they chain nicely with pull 1 and pull 2.
rain bone
hi y’all. random question. before last night i was able to heroic leap away from the black hole on the last boss of AK. trying it last night i would leap and the animation would get cancelled and i’d get sucked right back in
did they fix this tech? or am i doing it wrong. it was very easy to pull off before
inland raft
I pull the but middle pack, the 3 pack and the pat all onto one keeper and lust
Start of dungoen have pot, lust, all cds, all defensives, its a really good pull but maybe not with pugs in low keys
native ember
um random question i saw someone talking about if u get 34% base haste u can run itf?
strong forum
Around that point is when ITF grants you almost 0 issues with SB uptime at all
bitter zealot
What's itf?
slate marten
Into the Fray
inland raft
hi y’all. random question. before last night i was able to heroic leap away from...
You need to wait for the suck before leap it happens roughly at .8-1 second on cast but just watch character and when you see yourself get sucked in then jump
I dont bother with it though its very minor but ya id trying to minmax everything thats how
rain bone
ya after getting hit by 2 i just started throwing weapons and jumping into a puddle. i feel like it was so much easier to pull off and look cool before
and i was trying to jump at around .5 left on the cast. that should’ve been late enough?
inland raft
Should be but maybe latency. What really matters is looking at your character
You will be sucked in and then can leap
real crypt
Is thunderous roar just worse than spear now?
inland raft
Has been since launch if xpac
Roar is easier and good snap threat though if really want to play it
alpine adder
you drop like bloodsurge which feels horrible to lose
I dropped bloodsurge for disrupting shout and didn't notice it that much but I dont usually struggle with rage. I got fed up with dps not interupting. Maybe I'll try switching back
strong forum
It's not about struggling with rage
It's moreso that more rage = better
Pwar entirely revolves around getting more rage
alpine adder
Makes sense
true cairn
i have a huge problem here guys when i'm running +10 keys out of no were i losing aggro like after i have use thunderclap and shield slam into the target. I doesn't have 4 set yet but can 4 set be the thing i need for that not happend?
edgy bone
You can if pull gatekeepers
You can skip the mini boss?
rain bone
i have a huge problem here guys when i'm running +10 keys out of no were i losin...
i’ve just started higher keys on my warrior too and this is definitely an issue. i try to always have avatar up so i can lay in a few TC’s right away for threat. i’ve noticed enh are REALLY good at ripping threat.
i get why warrior has an aoe taunt on a short cd lol
eternal crypt
hi y’all. random question. before last night i was able to heroic leap away from...
I literally came in to ask the same question. Last night it was just slamming me right back down. I've done it dozens of times before
true cairn
i’ve just started higher keys on my warrior too and this is definitely an issue....
but here its a Frost DK and Boomie for me
rain bone
I literally came in to ask the same question. Last night it was just slamming me...
i knew i wasn’t crazy
rain bone
but here its a Frost DK and Boomie for me
should be the same theory though. more tc = more threat. or im missing something a more experienced warrior can chime in on
true cairn
so 4 set would help alot
rain bone
eh, i still have the issue from time to time with 4 set. but ya the damage will help
also make sure your weapon and shield are high ilvl
you need to maximize your first few gcd’s for aoe though not just single target
true cairn
weapon and shield is 636
rain bone
hmm
idk. the big thing that changed it for me was just holding avatar. if the pull is long i’d get two a pull but generally one off the rip
then you get 3 thunderclaps in like 5 gcd’s and no one can rip
true cairn
okay
ocean nova
i have a huge problem here guys when i'm running +10 keys out of no were i losin...
You mean when you chain pull or?
Avatar to reset TC, shield charge, ravager, spear, shockwave for some dmg + delay till next TC, aoe taunt
If your chain pulling you can make sure you have TC up before pulling in the next pack
true cairn
You mean when you chain pull or?
just overall tbh
i mean in CoT i pulled the second boss there was getting through the first intermission then i instan lose aggro on one of the bosses
toxic pewter
gotta press your buttons faster
ocean nova
Its really hard to lose aggro on bosses
mighty valley
since those share health you can make sure everyone’s main targeting the same one
ocean nova
i mean in CoT i pulled the second boss there was getting through the first inter...
Get a good opener and you wont lose aggro
Also bring the melee one to the ranged
toxic pewter
yeah you prob not stacking the bosses
ocean nova
If you are not hitting the ranged one then it would make sense why you lost aggro
toxic pewter
nothin worse than a tank that doesnt stack bosses
inland raft
Just stick to the ranged one and let the melee come to you
mighty valley
nothin worse than a tank that doesnt stack bosses
what about cholera
toxic pewter
did you read what I wrote
true cairn
like Avatar > TC > SC > spear > TC? @ocean nova
high torrent
Folks is there a good weakaura that alerts when we drop shield block in combat?
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Which spec is better, protection warrior or paladin?
toxic pewter
if you have to ask then just go play a paladin
ocean nova
like Avatar > TC > SC > spear > TC? <@185365836238815232>
I do SC > TC > avatar + TC > demo > spear
vague badge
if you have to ask then just go play a paladin
Why 🤔
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The true tank uses a 2 hand sword
vague badge
Well you also stand in your circle
Moving mobs out of ravager sounds like a bad idea
toxic pewter
Nah I go where I want
there is nowhere that I cannot roam freely
nothin worse than a circle stander in this life
ocean nova
Tank refers to someone that can take damage
vague badge
So bears. Gotcha
vague badge
I was seeking a normal conversation. I guess I won’t find it here
true cairn
@ocean nova do you know how much haste we need and i'm gonna try that rotation you said
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As in what are the pros and cons of those two plate tanks
toxic pewter
do you enjoy helping out your team with blessings and heals and stuff
ocean nova
As in what are the pros and cons of those two plate tanks
I think biggest warrior con can be grouping mobs as you have to be tactical with it
toxic pewter
but at the end of the day fun is subjective so not sure which will be fun to you
ocean nova
Also learning how to manage your rage
coarse lark
Hi! I wanna lvl a prot warr for high m+ push, is it safe to do it now since next week we got changes? or better wait
ocean nova
<@185365836238815232> do you know how much haste we need and i'm gonna try that ...
I think i have around 32% haste
rain bone
ppal does more damage and has utility. it is way squishier though and requires you to be on top of your shit
warrior is very forgiving as long as you manage your two resources
mighty valley
<@185365836238815232> do you know how much haste we need and i'm gonna try that ...
more haste is always good but there’s no minimum
ocean nova
Unbuffed
true cairn
so its not with into the fray?
toxic pewter
Hi! I wanna lvl a prot warr for high m+ push, is it safe to do it now since next...
just go level one and have fun
true cairn
but you want into the fray no matter what right
coarse lark
just go level one and have fun
i dont care about fun, just want the most OP
true cairn
or is there some point you wanna swap over to the shield block duration
coarse lark
im done having 5h queues with main
toxic pewter
i dont care about fun, just want the most OP
well good news for you we are getting a new icon
mighty valley
you’ll have shield block gaps with ITF, heavy rep always safer
vague badge
Isn’t the rage management part “simple” as in dump into ignore pain ?
rain bone
go warrior then. the other tanks still have stigmas against them in higher keys
mighty valley
but you can do what you want
ocean nova
or is there some point you wanna swap over to the shield block duration
What shield block rotation?
rain bone
duration*
i run shield block duration bc i dont have enough haste for ITF to lead to 100% uptime and duration gives me room to breathe
mighty valley
Isn’t the rage management part “simple” as in dump into ignore pain ?
yes, but also always keeping enough to fill every gcd
true cairn
the extend shield block duration by shield slam with one 1 and gain 2 more rage from shield slam
HR talent
vague badge
It’s kinda sad that both bear and warrior only use their rage for ignore pain / ironfur
ocean nova
Isn’t the rage management part “simple” as in dump into ignore pain ?
Not exactly as you can also dump rage offensively
rain bone
that isn’t true
mighty valley
we still press revenge… sometimes
toxic pewter
It’s kinda sad that both bear and warrior only use their rage for ignore pain / ...
? we don't?
rain bone
most of the rage, sure. but not all
toxic pewter
revenge, execute, sb lol
ocean nova
You want to use the most amount of revenge without losing base defensives
rain bone
if you rage dump into IP you lose SB and you go splat
vague badge
I meant the bulk of it outside of execute goes into ignore pain if I understood the guide
mighty valley
I guess I don’t think of sb as a “dump” since it’s on a cd… and just kinda automatic at this point
mighty valley
The bulk of it does yeah because IP is off gcd and has no cd so it’s the only way to spend it all
ocean nova
I meant the bulk of it outside of execute goes into ignore pain if I understood ...
I think thats if your overcapping you always dump into IP
vague badge
But isn’t that quite often the case?
ocean nova
but ideally you want to use the most amount of revenge without going splat
rain bone
i still revenge quite a bit.
it honestly depends how many things are actively smacking me
ocean nova
But isn’t that quite often the case?
Yea especially with shield slam resets you can overcap
toxic pewter
revenge only used to fish for ss resets tbh
sharp gale
I revenge only when I have not thunderclap or shield slam and I want to reset shield slam (except putting bleeds ofc)
mighty valley
it’s rock bottom priority but it’s still a lot better than doing Nothing
shrewd plinth
Thunderclap > Revenge > shield slam if you can for bigger packs?
Or still shield slam
sharp gale
Or no IP is needed like first boss of mists phase
mighty valley
no, shield slam still highest prio
shrewd plinth
The single hit is better than the aoe? 😦 rip revenge
mighty valley
generating rage is everything
sharp gale
Shield slam will give big rage and proc thunderblast
shrewd plinth
I mean if you’re in a farm key way below you, extra rage floating around and you want more raw damage?
toxic pewter
we are a rage churning entity
that is our main purpose
and as u churn rage the dam will be big
shrewd plinth
Or just dump rage into IP to get avatar back for that damage?
inland raft
if shield slam or tc is available you press them over revenge, spend on ip to prevent overcapping, revenge is when theres nothing else to press
toxic pewter
yeah the idea is the get avatar back as soon as possible
and other crap too obviously
mighty valley
yeah we get so much stuff for spending rage
violet ginkgo
yeah the idea is the get avatar back as soon as possible
what if avatar up first while Ravager + Spear is 15 secs remaining on CD. Press avatar or wait?
toxic pewter
press cd's
theyll match up timing again eventually probably
but yeah obviously want things to line up
but sometimes doesnt happen like that for whatever reason
but dont hold cd's
inland raft
15 seconds is a long time, if itslike 2-3 seconds obviously ill line them up but ya just send
sharp gale
Get back avatar, outburst (spend rage for more rage to spend for more rage to spend) and wall
violet ginkgo
hmmmm... so technically even if avatar expired and then you have to send ravager and spear whilenot powered by avatar, it's just fine?
toxic pewter
that 15 seconds of not pressing avatar actually reverberates as well seeing as it has active cdr, the longer you hold it the less value you get overall
mighty valley
avatar lasts 20 seconds gang
sharp gale
hmmmm... so technically even if avatar expired and then you have to send ravager...
Avatar has less than 45 seconds cd when you spend rage, you don’t will just not spear ravager at the extreme end of the pack and do your opener on the next pack with everything
grim bobcat
Just crafted a second item with duskthread lining and it doesn't seem to stack, is that a bug ?
alpine adder
Just crafted a second item with duskthread lining and it doesn't seem to stack, ...
Yes, once you die it should fix itself
inland raft
drop below 80% hp and back
alpine adder
Or that lol
violet ginkgo
avatar lasts 20 seconds gang
Oh yeah but I mean it could be 3 secs left because you know we are in the middle of GCD before ravager so the ravager only boosted for 3 secs.
grim bobcat
aah all good thanks
mighty valley
generally don’t hold but worth remembering that the timer is shorter than it says due to AM
so if burning an IP or two would get you avatar, sure might as well wait a tick in that case
but like 10+ seconds is wasting too much
violet ginkgo
Avatar has less than 45 seconds cd when you spend rage, you don’t will just not ...
OK got this for the M+ pack 👍 . But for Boss fight it's just same rule as apb said? send avatar then later on Ravager and Spear even if not empowered by avatar is just fine.
sharp gale
OK got this for the M+ pack 👍 . But for Boss fight it's just same rule as apb s...
Use your cd on cooldown except if they are really close from each others, or adds are coming and you want to parse (but i would play colossus to parse lel)
violet ginkgo
what do you categorize as "close"? 5 secs and less?
sharp gale
The rotation flows, everything is 45 seconds or 1min30
If you use on cd they will line up
jagged gust
well except avatar, but it has something like a 50-60% uptime anyways
kind of hard not being in avatar when your other CDs are up
sharp gale
what do you categorize as "close"? 5 secs and less?
5 seconds you can already press avatar now it will last more than 3 gcd (demo, spear and ravager)
sharp gale
well except avatar, but it has something like a 50-60% uptime anyways
I looked on one of my logs and it’s like you said, 60% uptime, I basically waited 10-15 seconds between each avatar
jagged gust
You know come to think of it, Avatar is probably the best metric for using details to tell whether or not a prot war is spending their rage correctly
stuck oasis
What if they keep spamming rage on an already full IP though?
jagged pier
thats what u should do
viral berry
throngus's finger good for us? Don't see it on wowhead
stuck oasis
thats what u should do
Really now? I feel that is one of my weaknesses, I am constantly spamming IP with my offhand without thinking and I feel very rage starved for shield block as a result. Revenge is basically never.
mighty valley
well you shouldn’t do that
But when rage income is high you have to keep pressing ip even when capped to prevent rage overcapping
just be smart about it so you keep enough in the tank for sb/revenge
deft mortar
Guys
I just found out that Blood DKs struggle with EDNA LOOOOOOL
Didn't even know that spell is a "tank buster"
Cuz it hit me 300k after IP on SV 10 last night
Appears bros get one shot LMAO
I am going to recommend them to equip a shield
wintry gate
Didn't even know that spell is a "tank buster"
It was tough on my Druid, had to use the 45s defensive, then the 3 min, then the 45s, then the other 3min lol, didn’t do it with tyrannical tho
steel mist
That is just bad blood DK gameplay from people if they are getting chunked
steel mist
Now try prot paladin which I play.
twin hill
Didn't even know that spell is a "tank buster"
its 100% physical, which is why it fkn tickles us
wooden widget
Do you mean the first hit?
deft mortar
its 100% physical, which is why it fkn tickles us
I love to see us win
steel mist
Getting mini heart attacks when that thing slams on me
wintry gate
When you guys are doing +10s, do you use a flask or potion?
toxic pewter
dw guys this boss is ez: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1253819345939857449/rlp.gif?ex=6714c902&is=67137782&hm=b2312f70370c46d921d0ec2de3515a8c605dae61abc2bd375916af404f274071&
wintry gate
I’ve been raw dogging the dungeons
deft mortar
Ardent Defender got ur back tho I think the CD lines up
deft mortar
dw guys this boss is ez: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1488979418835845...
Spell Reflect went insanely hard tho
On this boss
twin hill
I love to see us win
im a filthy reroller, so ill be in my box of shame lol
toxic pewter
oh for sure i was just making a joke someone mention bdk ghetting owned on some boss
steel mist
Argent defender, eye of Tyr,gotk.argent defender
twin hill
dw guys this boss is ez: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1488979418835845...
i think i saw this happen to naowh once on his DH hahaha
deft mortar
My fave was Nokhud spell reflect 2nd boss one-shot bolt when u get out of melee range
onyx vessel
edna the tank buster if you dying its healers fault for being handcapped
deft mortar
And Last boss big hit
toxic pewter
that gif may go down as the best gif in wow history tbh
onyx vessel
handicapped*
toxic pewter
2 decades in and havent seen a better gif
wintry gate
edna the tank buster if you dying its healers fault for being handcapped
Just have 2mil+ on ip
steel mist
I saw healers dispelling me instantly and not knowing what to do
mighty valley
When you guys are doing +10s, do you use a flask or potion?
you might as well, can buy a 2star one if it’s not a tough key for you
toxic pewter
def should be using flasks and pots and crap in a 10 imo
deft mortar
I legit didn't even know there was a dispell mechanic or anything
onyx vessel
potion
deft mortar
Because I just run all dungs blind and learn as I go
I mean at this point I know all mechanics
From trial and error
steel mist
Boss is piss easy on Brew though
mighty mason
Guys, I would like to try protection in some m+ and I am currently adjusting my binds but there are so many :D. Are there some MACROs to make life easier?