protection

[plush tendon]

talenting into BSV is a bait for most people

play Ravager; enjoy the extra rage and damage

[red dock]

what ilvl are you?

[plush tendon]

for more damage and CDR

[deft mortar]

622

[red dock]

nice

[plush tendon]

more IPs, more everything

[turbid shuttle]

the rage and damage is inconsequential for the vast majority of players. bsv will literally save your keys.

[deft mortar]

Only use of BSV I see is pullling 5 packs with BL

With 2.5M dps on you

You do grind at low health for quite some time

[turbid shuttle]

the default rec should be bsv for new players tbh, with ravager for parsing or easy keys

[deft mortar]

After your main defensives wear off

Tbf I demo shout first with front line

than I pop wall and last stand

[plush tendon]

bro, if a Prot War is running BSV in a 7 or 8 or whatever, and its proccing

[deft mortar]

than demo shout again

[plush tendon]

we already in for a bad time

[deft mortar]

after that if the trash packs arent dead its dps problem

[turbid shuttle]

tanks in 7s and 8s this far in to the season are almost always bad

[deft mortar]

Idk about that never seen another tank play

[turbid shuttle]

the whole point is, if you're bad, would you rather mess up and gg, or mess up and continue?

[tawdry cloak]

God forbid those tanks use BSV to help them live and keep the key alive while they learn their spec

[turbid shuttle]

in either case, you get the signal that you messed up and can go figure out how to fix it

[molten gorge]

if you wanna stay stuck in 7s and 8s then crack on 👍

[tawdry cloak]

Y’all expect brand new prot warrior tanks to drop into m+ and play their rotation perfectly

[turbid shuttle]

in either case, if you're lacking in introspection and not going to learn, nothing will improve regardless

[deft mortar]

50k more hp to be 11M unbuffed

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/nibbles-dunce-tom-and-jerry-gif-3253767392919141964

"Bro i can be shit and not play my class and not die" How bro felt when he wrote this

[molten gorge]

I swear it's always NA guys that cannot handle a difference of opinion it's mental

[chilly brook]

No

[deft mortar]

am I gettin shit talked

[chilly brook]

There’s no reason why BSV should be the recommendation

[robust urchin]

No ur the one talking shit

[chilly brook]

For new players

[robust urchin]

"Bro we should recommend talents for new players that actively makes you not play good because?"

What a dumb take

[molten gorge]

I think Agmius is saying don't take BSV no?

[tawdry cloak]

We should recommend talents that make it easier to learn your class

[molten gorge]

he said he would survive even without BSV, so it's not needed

[chilly brook]

What we should be recommending is that people press shield block

[robust urchin]

Look elitist brain jerk

[molten gorge]

I just disagree that BSV makes it easier to learn

[deft mortar]

I aint using spell block ngl

[robust urchin]

I can not click both REND and SHIELD BLOCK

OK?

[deft mortar]

I wont either

[robust urchin]

ITS JUST NOT HAPPENING

[molten gorge]

like for the keys the people playing without BSV for the reason it exists are playing, are not gonna be helped by having BSV

[tawdry cloak]

If you’re failing keys with BSV talented, taking ravager is not going to save your key. But BSV may save it once in a while

[deft mortar]

Between spell reflect wall and demo shout and last stand I dont need another cd

and interrupt and stun

[molten gorge]

yes, but then you're not improving

cause you survived

you didn't learn from the mistake

so you keep relying on the crutch

[turbid shuttle]

why would you not learn because you survived?

backwards ass take

every time I proc bsv I learn from it

[red dock]

That's the logic that makes no sense

[molten gorge]

do you understand how fail and success works?

[red dock]

Certainly are people that they may be true for

[robust urchin]

What do you learn from not dying because of BSV

[turbid shuttle]

do you understand that people can see that it procced

[robust urchin]

That you dont die because of BSV?

[chilly brook]

BEV is only going to be a crutch there’s no point

[tawdry cloak]

Yea idk if I see a cheat (or pseudo cheat) proc, I think oh damn, I died there, how do I do that differently next time

[turbid shuttle]

"I procced BSV when I shouldn't have... what did I do wrong..."

[deft mortar]

bruh what's even my take. but no long sentence pls

[molten gorge]

lets see some logs and we'll find out if you have improved

🤷‍♂️

you're risking nothing playing with it and for most people it's just "Well, didn't die, key was okay, onto next"

[robust urchin]

"I learn how to avoid proccing BSV making the talent absolutely useless"

[red dock]

I think what you mena to say is there is less incentive to improve in that case

[robust urchin]

🤡

[molten gorge]

like it's obv fine to take, but imo, for most people, it's bad to help improve

[red dock]

Arguing someone CAN'T learn from it is silly

[molten gorge]

exactly

[turbid shuttle]

a bunch of people dying in 9s and 10s adamently refusing to take bsv is 🤡

[tawdry cloak]

What’s the incentive to improve when you die and your key disbands because a dead tank is a full wipe?

[molten gorge]

?

I don't die in 9s and 10s

[tawdry cloak]

Then people just get burnt out

[molten gorge]

like what?

[red dock]

Well, to prevent that from happening primarily

[molten gorge]

the incentive is to not die next time

[deft mortar]

ngl main problem in keys isnt tanks dying

[molten gorge]

so that you finish the key

[deft mortar]

its dps dying

[plush tendon]

its pretty hard for tanks to die in these keys

unless you are doing some double or triple pulls

[molten gorge]

well apparently not, cause they need BSV

[plush tendon]

which are totally not necessary at all

every key is designed now to be timeable with any comp at a 11 or lower by pulling one pack at a time

[deft mortar]

u can time 12s at any comp too

[violet ginkgo]

but I admit sometimes I still a bit bad at boss that require some delicate movement like the City of thread 1st boss.

[deft mortar]

I just do a big elipse and keep the market on me and stand the direction I am about to move

[plush tendon]

true. Personally I think Blizz only cares about 11 and under. 12 and up is for the sweats

who will do what they do

[deft mortar]

at 639 I am sure everyone will be pugging 14-15s

[umbral kernel]

tank is easiest role imo, you just get punished harder if you fail since it's easy

[robust urchin]

Bunch of cracka ass takes in here ngl

[umbral kernel]

this xpac it's less easy than df

[deft mortar]

All my takes are gold

[plush tendon]

oh for sure

I just dont think blizz cares about balance at anything above 11

[deft mortar]

its 21% more dmg and health

And the loss of freebie buffs

[robust urchin]

Why you hating

[deft mortar]

As opposed to usual 10%

[robust urchin]

Ion is doing his best ok

[tawdry cloak]

Resort to slurs, makes you seem like a great person

[robust urchin]

Cracka take

[plush tendon]

im not hating; I just think Blizz has decided that high key pushers will do what high keys pushers do

[jaunty jacinth]

Any specific reason on why we don't like to use Foul behemoth trinket?

[umbral kernel]

I do not agree tho

[violet ginkgo]

In raid yeah ezpz, in M+ not so much since you are the one who set the pace, set the route & how it will be grouped and so on.

[plush tendon]

thats just my opinion. Besides, such a small % of the playerbase is even capable of doing keys of that level

let alone actually spending time doing them

[lean stone]

hello, do you know how to get legionbreaker shield transmog ? i did mage tower as war protection, at the end it sent me back in a bed and that all

[plush tendon]

for the vast majority, 10s and 11s are the goal where you get max rewards

[turbid shuttle]

hazbukww?

[molten gorge]

Yus

you can check my logs

🤷‍♂️

[turbid shuttle]

you die in 10s all the time

[molten gorge]

when?

[turbid shuttle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q1NXAFv8rQRn2kBf#fight=20&type=deaths&death=1

[umbral kernel]

yea my bad I will explain what I think further : imo tank is easiest because once you pay that initial tax of knowledge check (routes, weird pulls, boss positionning etc), tank is pretty easy because you have direct control over what kills you, you can resist most things that would kill a dps, and it's not a huge deal if you're not particularly dpsing. As a dps it's easy to get carried to 12+, but there is a moment in my experience where the defensive cooldown usage, crowd control, and overall dps needs to be excellent to time key, and you can't have even a single dps that is carried. Heal is hard no matter the level imo

[molten gorge]

to the beam lmao, so I made a mistake

[tribal wharf]

i killed the mage again with process of elimination

not sure why i do this

[molten gorge]

almost a month ago

in a 10

like

?

[umbral kernel]

yea yea no prob, we can disagree haha, but yea I think they care to an extent

[molten gorge]

yes mate, I am brand new to tanking, brand new to warrior and haven't played wow since SL s1

[plush tendon]

they prob care a little bit

[turbid shuttle]

goalpost move. should I link 10 more?

[molten gorge]

please do

[plush tendon]

but high end mythic plus is still the red headed step child of blizz

next to PVP

[molten gorge]

he has decent key times

[turbid shuttle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/dadshaircut?zone=39#

[tawdry cloak]

Papa’s not the one claiming to not die

[turbid shuttle]

I'm also not pretending I'm so good I don't need BSV

I'm sure I do screw up sometimes

[molten gorge]

I never said you don't need it

you don't need it in 10s

in 12s

I play it

[turbid shuttle]

apparently some of us do

[tawdry cloak]

Papa and I are arguing that people should be allowed to make mistakes and still time keys

[molten gorge]

but I've only tried a handful so far

[molten gorge]

you do not need it in 10s yourself

[tawdry cloak]

And BSV is a great tool to facilitate that

[molten gorge]

like looking at your thing, you have good uptime on block etc, you're doing fine

🤷‍♂️

[umbral kernel]

yea I agree, but imo it's more like, the fact that you deplete a key if you wipe, the fact that there is a timer that forces you to do absurd things, the fact that you can't chose your key etc, overall balancing is not the big problem imo

[molten gorge]

like for boosting 10s

I don't run BSV

[plush tendon]

for tanks and dps I agree

I think healer balance is a bit out of whack right now

I also despise healers on a personally level

[molten gorge]

rn there's just not much point to push imo, there's so much ilvl to gain still

[grim grotto]

is there a way to see shieldblock uptime on warcraftlogs without the "no fight gaps"?

[plush tendon]

I miss the days when they were the 5th guy in your party who hit a couple of buttons once and a while

[turbid shuttle]

not sure if you're referring to me, but I'm making the opposite of an ego statement. I'm not claiming to be so good I don't "need" a crutch or never make mistakes. I screw up all the time.

[violet ginkgo]

True I think there is a lot of burden for healer in raid and M+?

[plush tendon]

having a good healer is way too important now

give me back BFA and SL where the healer was basically a 5th dps who dispelled and pressed a CD sometimes

[molten gorge]

idk my 10s at this point are mostly boosting, so running BSV would be a grief I feel

[umbral kernel]

I remember depleting 28/18 in s3/s4, like I was trying to time Nokhud 18 in s4, we fail at last boss, key depletes, then I try to form a pug group for the 17, we re deplete it again, and then I stop playing for the week because fuck I'm not pushing 16 AND 17 again

[molten gorge]

cause the lost dps etc

[tawdry cloak]

Ok but that’s not most people’s experience with a 10

[molten gorge]

i didn't say it was 🤷‍♂️

[turbid shuttle]

yes that is the conversation. I'm making the point that there's nothing wrong with an inexperienced tank running bsv in a lower key so that they don't brick every key they screw up

[molten gorge]

I also didn't say never run it, just that imo it's bad for learning

[umbral kernel]

meanwhile the only key I needed was uldaman

[plush tendon]

I love Uldaman

that place was a banger

[umbral kernel]

so I was stuck doing nokhud and fucking neltharus in hope of having a uldaman key

[plush tendon]

Nokhud can rot in hell

[violet ginkgo]

@plush tendon do you think having healer like in FF14 style might be better for the game? As in the healer there also DPS ing, occasionally keep ppl alive but maybe the wow community prefer a more pure healer?

[tawdry cloak]

Why

[molten gorge]

I agree in the efficacy of BSV, I just don't personally think it's condusive to learning

it's okay to disagree 🤷‍♂️

[plush tendon]

thats what I feel it used to be

[umbral kernel]

yea I was more talking like, it's depressing to deplete and having to do shit key once you reach these level

[molten gorge]

proper American chat this tbh, like it's okay to have differing opinions

[tawdry cloak]

Then don’t demean people that disagree

[umbral kernel]

because it's very hard to re time it again with randos,

[molten gorge]

at no point did I demean anyone?

[plush tendon]

I pugged for title in S3 DF

Ill never go for title again unless its with the bois

[turbid shuttle]

I agree it is okay to disagree, that's why I'm trying to convince you. You get the same signal (either you die, or you proc badly, in either case it tells you you screwed up). The only difference is the cost in acquiring the signal.

[plush tendon]

miserable experience

[umbral kernel]

it doesn't work with wow design imo, ff xiv fights are such a choregraphy that you're allowed to do that

too much rng and damage aura in wow

[plush tendon]

it used to be like that

[molten gorge]

I just really don't think the people who think to run it in a 10 are the type to take that signal seriously, but clearly that's not every single person

[umbral kernel]

u mad man

[molten gorge]

on average

[turbid shuttle]

and for what you give up? if you're dying basically at all in your keys, you should run bsv. ravager is like 5% dps and 5% rage. it's tiny.

[tawdry cloak]

This u?

[plush tendon]

we had a group in S3... were got up to 27 with BDK, Fury, Ret, Aug, Disc

[umbral kernel]

ooooh yeah you're the bdk main

[plush tendon]

then I swapped to VDH for obvious reasons

[umbral kernel]

I remember haha

[molten gorge]

that's me, idk that's not me demeaning people lol

[chilly brook]

Most peoples experience in a 10 is being groefed by the rest of the team

So

I mean what good is BSV

[umbral kernel]

yea same for me

played vdh at the end of xpac

[plush tendon]

wouldve been hype to have done it as a BDK though

[chilly brook]

if you press your buttons you don't need BSV lmao

[tawdry cloak]

Everyone else is trash so my talents can’t possibly help the key survive

[umbral kernel]

it was hype during s2, bdk 2/4p in s2 was nuts

[turbid shuttle]

if you never make a mistake and everybody plays perfectly you don't need bsv. and if you end up needing it, you don't deserve the key anyways. gg go next.

[plush tendon]

Im just sick of playing a tank and watching my party wittle away cause the healer is being asked to do too much

[umbral kernel]

you kite/microkite

[chilly brook]

They do a majority physical damage that's blockable...

[tawdry cloak]

You’re literally calling people who take BSV shit. Idk bro, pretty demeaning

[plush tendon]

and so many fights are like 'welp, I guess this is unhealable for this guy.... gg'

[umbral kernel]

100% this

[turbid shuttle]

they put a stacking debuff on you so you take like +100% damage

[chilly brook]

If you get high stacks just shockwave and drop the stacks

[molten gorge]

🤷‍♂️ American's just really soft idk

[chilly brook]

yeah so shockwave and drop stacks

[molten gorge]

I wouldn't bat an eye lid at someone else saying something similar

[turbid shuttle]

yea I do

still, you take a lot of damage

[molten gorge]

it's not meant to be demeaning

[turbid shuttle]

or people DR your stuns

[molten gorge]

most of the player base is dogshit

[chilly brook]

I mean I face tank the shit on a brew so....

[turbid shuttle]

or you just say "Imma proc BSV here np"

[chilly brook]

you should be more than fine

as prot

11s/12s

[left basalt]

Leap away

[umbral kernel]

yea, I feel that. I'm playing with my wife this season, she plays disc priest, sometimes ppl will bitch at healer for example in CoT 3rd boss and I feel so bad for her

[plush tendon]

CoT third boss is a prime example of a shit fight

like the fuck is that shit???

[chilly brook]

I have logs 🙂

[umbral kernel]

yea turbo shit fight arcade edition

[turbid shuttle]

CoT third boss is a fine fight, but it's probably the hardest healer fight in the rotation imo

[plush tendon]

I actually really like the other fights in that dungeon

[umbral kernel]

Stonevault last boss too

[plush tendon]

the last boss I think is pretty cool

[turbid shuttle]

at least, when I alt rsham in 10/11 it's the hardest I've played

[plush tendon]

yo, whos bright idea was it to tie a 20% DR for the tank with a healer dispell on EDNA?

[molten gorge]

imo it's horses for courses like at a certain point BSV is very helpful and if you're gonna push to those levels it doesn't hurt to learn to play with BSV (even if it never procs) cause the talents are different

but like

[plush tendon]

like fuck that shit

[molten gorge]

the average guy just bashing out his 10s for vault

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6d3CvYr2LQzPbqaB#fight=1&type=summary

[molten gorge]

is just slowing the key down by playing BSV imo

[umbral kernel]

Basically I hate stonevault last boss because dps can't be patient and MUST shove those 2 gcds of burst then they die of corruption ramping up too hard

[molten gorge]

and then isn't learning what's optimal for their range

[plush tendon]

I havnt even run a stonevault this season XD

[molten gorge]

like most people never even complete 10s right ?

[umbral kernel]

at the same time as the raid buster* so healer can't spare a gcd

[plush tendon]

Im just doing every other key instead

[chilly brook]

The idea that some people just press their buttons is hard to grasp I suppose

[molten gorge]

ig tho saying that, if they don't complete a 10 maybe BSV is gonna let them maximise their fun cause they won't brick the key

[robust urchin]

Bro you did one mistake over a month ago fucking delete your warrior your fake warrior main

[molten gorge]

hahahahaha

[robust urchin]

Its fucking over buddy

[molten gorge]

😭

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/unforgivable-unacceptable-gif-21786120

[molten gorge]

I am not good at the game unironically

[violet ginkgo]

Educate me on what is actually going on this boss, black pool everywhere and something, I thought we should catch black orbs or something?

I still confused about what I actually should do in this, usually after I see too much pool I move it but... I'd rather know what is going on in this shit fight.

[molten gorge]

so it is probably time to delete

[robust urchin]

Game end now

Its over

[molten gorge]

highlight of my Tank career was Jakey telling me I'm good based on my logs like 3 weeks ago or whatever

[robust urchin]

IIts joever

Its ogre

[turbid shuttle]

go corner to corner per ball absorb. tank 1 in corner. he knockback + orbs spawn. gather them. puddles drop when you grab. move to next corner. repeat.

[robust urchin]

Lucid dream

Never happened

[molten gorge]

[robust urchin]

Let go off the past

THe accident wasnt your fault

[molten gorge]

What do I main instead? or do I just quit wow?

[turbid shuttle]

damage pulse is every 2nd orb spawn. ideally on even orb spawns tank takes as many orbs as possible, because you're not so threatened by dark pulse as group is

[violet ginkgo]

the orb gather... DPS should help too right? or that is all on tank

[turbid shuttle]

dps definitely help

[plush tendon]

the orbs put a healing absorb on you

[umbral kernel]

bro I was with my group the other day and we were like "we must do something bad to wipe on this shitter", I proceed to watch Kirawar or Yoda I don't remember who where doing this key in +15, I watch the boss, it's the same shitshow as us but they live, I'm like ok if these guys don't optimize it it's just designed to be a turbo shitfest

[plush tendon]

you have to cather the orbs so boss doesnt heal

and walk around the room

its unfun and lame

[turbid shuttle]

imo, every odd orb whole group splits them like 2 each. every even orb tank should take more and dps take maybe only 1 each.

[plush tendon]

and, again, its a healer fight

[turbid shuttle]

group needs to press defensives (strong ones) for every pulse + healer CD + group defensives (rally, amz, etc.)

[plush tendon]

its a still a pain in the butt

[umbral kernel]

lmao

[plush tendon]

I just dont like healer centric fights

except 3rd boss Hall of Infusion

now that was a good one

you knew your healer was a chad if he could do that fight

[chilly brook]

~16:30-17:09

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6d3CvYr2LQzPbqaB#fight=1&start=981513&end=1036199

I timestamped it for you

[tribal wharf]

i like how when you play with people who are 2k you dont have to baby sit or talk them through fights

[plush tendon]

even better when you are in voice and hes calling externals and CDs for the team

[plush tendon]

lies

first City of Threads I did was a 11 and my friend was telling me what was going on

[umbral kernel]

right now what's triggering me like nothing before is this fucking orbs affix, can't wait to get to 12 to not deal with this bullshit anymore

[plush tendon]

as I wrote in chat "im too stupid to know if this is scary or not. Lets send it'

though I like the last boss in City

I think thats a fun fight

or, at least, a better kite around the room fight then the 3rd boss

[violet ginkgo]

I love HOI, admittedly spamming a lot of 8s weekly there, but that's because at least I see it easy for tank, not that much complicated on route, just press W and get 100% at the end.

[plush tendon]

I loved HOI in S4

since I was playing VDH we would do that quad pull at the start

[violet ginkgo]

oh yeah in S4, I joined on very late S2 and early S3.

[plush tendon]

I love pulling big

and I love pulling big onto bosses

those are my favorite things to do in M+

[halcyon dust]

Remember bear in S2. That was fun.

[violet ginkgo]

well while the fight is easy though... damn the DPS sometimes panic a lot at the frog boss, dunno how to kite adds on boss swallow aoe.

[plush tendon]

anything that stops me from pulling big or pulling onto bosses makes me madge

[plush tendon]

I had a group so we knew what the tactic was

go between two markers

plus we had slows and stops to make it easy

the only thing about Halls that was cancer were the dragons and the gauntlet

oh, and the spawn points

[deft mortar]

yeah I don't do that shit either

[chilly brook]

But I face tank it every time I do that dungeon....

[plush tendon]

not in these dungeons

I swear Ion hates fun

[chilly brook]

So does Equinox

well maybe not in super duper high keys but he definitely was in 12s

If brew can do it you definitely can as prot....

[blazing vault]

Thnx think I’ll do that too tbh

[lean panther]

How is the alchemy trinket?

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/vp3_rWxn8vw?si=baKvE4mrM4aAMwke&t=331

Visual proof of it happening

I am not him but, it's not impossible

[cobalt wagon]

I did that pull on vdh too and I’m just trying to imagine how prot warrior could pull it off without having threat issues or taking 3x as long to set up. I feel like that’s my biggest struggle going from vdh to pwarr.

[plush tendon]

its doable

just much harder

it was mostly cause we still had double sigils

but Prot War could for sure do it

[cobalt wagon]

What’s the strategy for pulls like that? Thunderclap every pack once while setting up or just throw an axe at each pack and then try and los or what? What if Los wasn’t an option

[plush tendon]

Prot War, by the end of DF, was the second best tank

[turbid shuttle]

I'm taking like 3x your raw (i.e. pre-mitigation) DTPS in a 12. not sure if you're kiting or what.

[plush tendon]

yea, I would only glaive packs as we were grouping

the mage would grab a pack for me

but no one was hitting anything till things got grouped

[chilly brook]

Who?

[turbid shuttle]

your 11 log vs my 12 log

how do you pull? I do this

[chilly brook]

I don't kite

My 11 pull is similar

[turbid shuttle]

similar or same?

[chilly brook]

same

[plush tendon]

I think the big thing with getting big pulls like that together is that dps and healers should know not to send cds or too many spells and just wait for it to get grouped

[turbid shuttle]

maybe just a key level thing. or you're dodging more so debuff going up slower

[chilly brook]

Only difference in that hallway is if I grab all of 10 or not

[round pendant]

ffs

[plush tendon]

do people grab that 10% vers buff in Stonevault?

[round pendant]

why can't I say that word

[turbid shuttle]

there it is

you're either dodging or getting CC for you

[chilly brook]

Only one shockwave from group

it's an arcane mage and a demo lock

so CC not exactly strong suit

[cobalt wagon]

I just can’t imagine one ranged axe throw from warrior into every pack being enough to set up a pull like that when the packs are so spread. I feel forced to charge into the packs and use thunderclap and then leaping/charging away to pull more

[chilly brook]

lock did shadowfury tho

[turbid shuttle]

you dodged 75% of fractures

so you get 0 stacks for like more than half the pull

so that explains it

[chilly brook]

Skill issue I guess

[paper coral]

Sekrit Brewmaster

[turbid shuttle]

you're taking 2.5m raw dtps in 11, I'm taking 8.5m raw dtps in a 12 (and I kited to drop stacks at least once)

[cobalt wagon]

For example this season the big pull after the first boss in db with like 6 tacticians seems hard to set up too. On my vdh I just throw a sof on two of the packs and stay out of range and just lead them towards the third @plush tendon

[turbid shuttle]

maybe just brew diff cause brew actually dodges a lot. pwar not so much.

[plush tendon]

whats the pull?

I usually just head over to the chapel and do that area first

[plush tendon]

Ive never pulled that

[paper coral]

I hate kiting lmao.

[plush tendon]

[cobalt wagon]

on warr ive been using one axe throw on each of the tacticians in the double pack and then charging into the pack on the very top and using thunderclap and then leaping towards the pack with the manifested shadow and let them all run to me, its a fairly common pull ive seen in high keys but not in every one

taking a lot of upfront dmg from the charge inot the pack on top tho and i saw someone even proc cheat doing it while watching a stream, just feels a lot smoother on vdh cause i can sof both the pakcs with no casters and then just leap towards the third and im not taking any dmg setting it up and its faster

[turbid shuttle]

tacticians slam the tank. I've only started doing side entrance first in my last key, but I probably wouldn't pull that

I pull courtyard trash instead

[plush tendon]

I would have to try the pack myself

[regal yarrow]

What is the purpose of running defenders aegis over impenetrable wall? Is it just to have more shield wall uptime in specific pull durations? Overall it seems like shield wall uptime is better with impenetrable wall

[cobalt wagon]

you can kite them because they get a 90% slow

[chilly brook]

must be, even tattman in his 11 is kiting kekw

[plush tendon]

cant really tell you

[turbid shuttle]

sometimes you don't need wall for a while, and then need it 2x in the same pack or in close succession. if the incoming damage profile is like that, and if you can't live because of it, defender's aegis is better

[plush tendon]

havnt been pushing many keys XD just gearing alts and mythic prog

[turbid shuttle]

also there's efficiency reasons why 2 charge wall can be really nice

[plush tendon]

dont have the time or desire to do more then that right now

[south zealot]

the idea is that if you ever need shield walk back to back

[chilly brook]

There's almost no real reason I could think of where you need that tho

[south zealot]

impenetrable wall is more shield wall uptime and rage

[chilly brook]

You're losing rage

kinda cringe

[turbid shuttle]

with 1 charge only, theoretically, every second wall is available and not used is "wasted". you're incentivized to use it on cd to get max value (or at least there's a tradeoff). with 2 charge wall sitting on 1 charge doesn't cost you anything

to say there's no real reason is ignorant, when almost every top pwar runs it. better to try to understand the conditions

there is a legitimate tradeoff here

[chilly brook]

So press the button if that's your motivation

pull around your CD

[frank rock]

Why does every top Warr play it then?

[cobalt wagon]

Have you stepped into anything above 12 this season?

[turbid shuttle]

read up

[chilly brook]

Alternatively you're losing rage just to sit on one charge

which loses you out on other things

[frank rock]

Asked Griff

[turbid shuttle]

ah I misread

[chilly brook]

because they chose to?

[frank rock]

Xd

[turbid shuttle]

do you think they pick talents randomly? lol..

[chilly brook]

It doesn't mean it's correct

[turbid shuttle]

you just assume they're wrong because it doesn't apply to your 10s?

[chilly brook]

Or efficient

No

It's wrong because the math doesn't math

[turbid shuttle]

yes, defender's aegis is less theoretical shield wall uptime, but that's only true if you press on CD, and sometimes the incoming damage doesn't line up with pressing on CD

[chilly brook]

We've talked about this ad nauseum in this channel

[regal yarrow]

To me it looks like the top runs have talent builds completely around kind of bursty survivability in order to do massive pulls, rather than to have consistent survivability in what I guess would be a normal pull size. Is that right, or am I missing something?

[turbid shuttle]

it is theoretically possible for aegis to give more effective uptime on the things you care about

[south zealot]

i mean this spec is so fucking strong baseline who cares

pick whatever talents you want

[sweet summit]

double wall is situational, not always worse not always better 👍

[turbid shuttle]

I personally do not run defender's aegis, but I'm not going to just reflexively say it's bad because it's not in the guide

[chilly brook]

SW is like a 40 second CD anyways, it's pretty rare that you'd need back to back casts as soon as it ends

[frank rock]

I guess you dont aim for Wall uptime, you aim to have it up when it matters

[turbid shuttle]

rare in what? your experience in 10s? just acknowlegde it's possible your experience is not comprehensive

[chilly brook]

We already established I don't just do 10s 🙂

Secondarily that doesn't make what I said wrong

[turbid shuttle]

when what you said is based on your experience it does

[chilly brook]

Well then in what case do you need SW aas soon as your SW fell off?

[turbid shuttle]

some people do

[chilly brook]

Like?

[turbid shuttle]

literally every top pwar

[chilly brook]

For?

[regal yarrow]

I can easily imagine pulls where I'd want double wall, but they're really not pulls I'd want to do in pugs. the first pull in a 15 stonevault or necrotic wake for example. Or even in ara kara if you pull straight to the mini boss

[turbid shuttle]

for doing dangerous pulls in keys that do +50% damage from anything you've done

[south zealot]

you can rotate your defensives and have shield wall back up by the time your last defensive falls off

[chilly brook]

Why are you so insitent on ad hominem

[turbid shuttle]

where the route is centered around less frequent giga pulls instead of consistent large pulls

[chilly brook]

this

[south zealot]

i mean it’s definitely possible you can create routes that use double shield wall well

[chilly brook]

Of course it's possible

[red dock]

It's silly to argue its objectively incorrect when there are obvious situations it could be better in

[chilly brook]

but that's also rare

[regal yarrow]

They seem like they'd be pulls that are absolutely necessary to be timing top level keys right now though

[turbid shuttle]

again, I personally do not run it, and wouldn't advise it as the default option, but to act like there's no reason and it's just strictly worse is plain ignorant

[paper coral]

As somebody new to pushing into higher keys, are giga pulls required to meet the timers in 10+ or can you do smaller pulls and still be fine?

[regal yarrow]

you can do 12s with normal sized pulls

[turbid shuttle]

you can press W in 10s and be fine

[regal yarrow]

in most dungeons*

[south zealot]

can do smaller stuff

[turbid shuttle]

you're actually better off doing simpler routes in 10s

[south zealot]

just don’t go 1 pack by 1 pack

[turbid shuttle]

only make the route as hard as it needs to be to time the key

[south zealot]

pull around your cooldowns, if you’re strong pull atleast 2 packs

[paper coral]

Like a lot of the MDT pulls I see seem to be grabbing multiple packs. If I just do pack to pack to pack, is that generally ok?

[turbid shuttle]

doing harder routes with less experienced players will just increase the risk of failure for no real gain

[chilly brook]

I doubt much has changed regarding this

[regal yarrow]

pack to pack you might struggle in some 10s, and it'll honestly make it harder when your DPS are sitting on cooldowns not knowing when to use them

[turbid shuttle]

if you literally pull 1 pack at a time your dps wil get a bit mad

[paper coral]

Thats fair.

[turbid shuttle]

and it's inefficient

[chilly brook]

10s in general are just aids rn, way too many players that don't have any business being in them but are because myth track vault

[turbid shuttle]

you'll gain some situaitonal knowledge of what packs are convenient to pull together and safe

[chilly brook]

11s are ironically easier than 10s

[plush tendon]

just bring target capped classes

[turbid shuttle]

also just be comfortable with failing. you're going to screw up, probably a lot, especially early season

[plush tendon]

they dont care if you pull 5 mobs at a time

not like they are hitting anything more then that XD

[chilly brook]

Cries in WW

[plush tendon]

which is unironically a great strat; Squishvegan did that in Throne of the Tides

everyone was playing Spriest, Aug, Fire, VDH

and he rolls in with double rogue bear

[chilly brook]

I didn't say no reason btw, I said the reasons to do so are rare

[turbid shuttle]

other people said no reason

actually tbf that was you and you said "almost"

[chilly brook]

definitely dependent on comp, I know Equinox was doing that last expac

and it worked great because small target caps worked well with brew

[plush tendon]

yea

[chilly brook]

"almost" implies there is a reason

[plush tendon]

change the approach of the dungeon by a lot

but I love having rogues in my keys

[south zealot]

just play sin

[plush tendon]

I think Outlaw was the play in SL DF

[south zealot]

top/almost top damage all situations

[plush tendon]

but Sin is so nice

[south zealot]

hell no it wasn’t

[plush tendon]

with garrote silence on pull

i dont remember

[south zealot]

sin been op since aug release

[chilly brook]

How difficult is sin anyways?

[south zealot]

well if u played a priest it had more value bc pi is insane on it

[chilly brook]

Friends guild needs a rogue

🤔

[south zealot]

no idea

[plush tendon]

this is the key I was referencing

back in DF S3

[south zealot]

hmm its probable outlaw was better no priest

[plush tendon]

they ran this comp/similar comp a lot in S3

[tribal wharf]

toxin bomb used to deal tons of dmg

[chilly brook]

they should unnerf SCK from monk

[deft mortar]

Unbelievable

Healer didn't come up to trash platform before NW 3rd boss

Because no dps picked up the 2nd boss spear

Despite me saying some1 pick the spear up

(I already had a spear)

So healer went to grab it and didn't come up

And I died

Despite pumping 1M hps

Because I didnt realize healer wasnt among us

I am so fkn tired of pugs

I need mfs on discord

[chilly brook]

F

I need to keep pushing tbh

[tribal wharf]

my goal is runeds and vstone or mounts

if im not after one, im after the other

[chilly brook]

I just want score

[tribal wharf]

that too but thats a by product of (current tier of) crests which in itself ksm is a mount

[chilly brook]

way past ksm

[tribal wharf]

i still think keystone achievemnts should have tiered mount rewards

ground> flying> special

maybe more just for 2 of them, 3 would be alot

[plush tendon]

M+ needs more rewards beyond just title

mounts, seasonal tmog, anything

[chilly brook]

remember when we had challenge mode rewards?

[plush tendon]

I should be able to get a different color trim of the seasonal class tmog from M+

[dusky frost]

Hey hey, looks like top players on M+ are focusing more into haste + versatility instead of haste+crit.
Did something change? or is it just better with vers?

[plush tendon]

yea, lets make those available again

same with Mage tower weps

do it like PVP

where you fill up a bar and get a token so you can buy one

[chilly brook]

At the very least there should be new "challenge mode" cosmetics per expansion centered around a certain rating in M+

[plush tendon]

nothings changed

stat prio is still haste>crit=>vers>mastery

people tend to overestimate the benefit of vers

reality is.... prob doesnt matter all that much in the end

[tribal wharf]

(dumb) pugs see, vers reduces dmg u take

so there for

any tank who does not have butt loads of versa

is bad

i do not know, why but it is

[jagged pier]

have your portals

and be happy

[tribal wharf]

i have only 1 portal , the one that really matters

boo haunted house

i can go to a god damn haunted house at any time i want now, life is complete

that would be a great place for halloween event

[dusky frost]

I mean look at the crafted weapons, boots, rings waist etc.
It's all focusing haste+vers
https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Yodawr?season=season-tww-1
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Kirawarrior?season=season-tww-1

These are top myth + tanks for prot warrior this season

[chilly brook]

you can run haste vers or haste crit

[dusky frost]

im just trying to understand it

[chilly brook]

they're both similar defensively

[turbid shuttle]

Crit gives more average mitigation through parry but only applies to things you're already strong against, for the most part. Some people prefer vers for that reason. It works against your weaknesses. Overall it doesn't matter too much.

[chilly brook]

you're not stacking enough vers for it to be a huge amount of difference

[turbid shuttle]

The fact that the effect is small applies to both and is not a good argument

[tribal wharf]

if u want to be versa guy you have to be big versa nerd

[turbid shuttle]

Marginal improvements are the same the whole time

Ignoring the small amount of DR past 30% or whatever it is

[violet ginkgo]

I think ppl also tend to forgot that the DR is half of the vers. So gaining 10% vers is actually only gain 5% DR which is not that much?

[urban portal]

Yeah and crit converts to parry at 90% rate

Which is much more efficient

[south zealot]

just get some of both

dont stack one or the other

[chilly brook]

I did say they're both similar defensively, but there is a perception that vers offers more defensive benefit than it actually does

That's all

The benefit of crit is it's better offensively in a measurable manner

Do what you will with the information, at the end of the day you can go either and it won't make or break anything

[turbid shuttle]

Agree

[toxic pewter]

just got upgraded sikran neck from lootbox nice LOL

now i dont have to bother rolling for that crap anymore

[chilly brook]

yo wtf is ret paladin

[toxic pewter]

I dont know but I do not like it

[chilly brook]

I don't like it either >.>

[toxic pewter]

paladins just whine and whine to the top

for 20 years nothin but crying

[crude linden]

still leveling my prot warrior, at 77 now. but a quick question for keybind purposes. does impending victory work in m+ where you dont get xp?

[toxic pewter]

def works in m+

it works as if you would get xp or honor

[crude linden]

sweet thanks

[toxic pewter]

gotta get the killing blow still though just to be clear (pretty sure this is how it still works, obviously anyone correct me if I am wrong)

[long bronze]

im so jealous holy I got the council 2h in mine

[frosty mango]

Poor fury

Had their one week

Then nerfed back to the bottom

[long bronze]

I bring my war to our heroic clear just so I can have vault options for neck

[toxic pewter]

us warriors gotta start being like paladins

just gotta start crying hysterically

[ocean pine]

is there a haste cap for the prot warrior ? or a percentage you should reach for optimal performance?

[frosty mango]

Blizz said he’s some lack of damage to go with your lack of utility

[long bronze]

#protection message

[ocean pine]

niceee, ty!

[long bronze]

[jagged pier]

good for u i got bracers

[toxic pewter]

oof

[jagged pier]

i got them on farm on wednesday for tmog

before i did the quest

[toxic pewter]

lol sounds about right

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

never fails

[violet ginkgo]

so gg

[toxic pewter]

was so surprised when I got it lol

i was hoping for a mandate

but ill take a very rare

[violet ginkgo]

I got nothing from vault and the weekly quest.

[toxic pewter]

sounds about right

[violet ginkgo]

well I mean minor upgrade but I'd very love some neck or cloak

[toxic pewter]

damn the only upgrade left for me in heroic is a mandate

[long bronze]

I got omega bis ring in my vault

[toxic pewter]

nice i bought mine off some dude lol

[long bronze]

juicer

[violet ginkgo]

oh I thought it was ansurek ring

[long bronze]

yeah well

[plush tendon]

not speed

literal vendor trash

[long bronze]

I didn't say giga omega bis

true and based

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt even equip it

just get your 61 gold

[long bronze]

nah destroy it because I don't even respect it enough to dignify it with gold

[frank rock]

Does sapphire and emerald gems count as unique colors towards blasphemite? or are they the same since both are green/blue

[wintry gate]

I just make a weak aura for the icon to glow and just smash the fuck out of it whenever it glows

[toxic pewter]

5 different colors, sapphire is 1 and emerald is 1, they are separate

then theres amber, onyx, and ruby

[frank rock]

thanks, so a total of five unique colors to boost the blasphemite bonus

[toxic pewter]

yes, many do not use amber because it is 205 stamina gem, but I think 2% more speed is worth getting a tad bit of stamina myself (granted lose like 147 of another secondary but meh its not much)

[sudden moth]

Hey folks what are the impressions of prot warr coming next week, not much is changing I believe we should still stay in the meta?

[chilly brook]

Who cares

play what you enjoy

[deft mortar]

does versa increase your IP

[tropic tangle]

I think if you're enjoying prot warr now, you will enjoy prot warr on tuesday as well

[plush tendon]

all tanks are very viable

play what you like and get good at it

You rather become a master at one tank you enjoy then chase flavor

[bleak pendant]

Is the Skarmorak Shard really better?

[chilly brook]

Speaking of teach me how to DH @plush tendon

[plush tendon]

im dog shit

wrong person to ask

VDH in DF was just... that busted

but we dont live in that world anymore

[chilly brook]

real

[sudden moth]

Make sense, just started prot warr this week and seems pretty fun

[plush tendon]

Skar lines up with every spear and ravager

big mastery=big attack power

[bleak pendant]

Ah

[plush tendon]

with big CDs

[bleak pendant]

Ty for the answer

[plush tendon]

can literally just macro it to spear

[plush tendon]

Prot War is awesome

[jagged gust]

Prot war is life

[sudden moth]

I've been playing mage this whole season feeling kinda meg after every dungeon, now I join groups and people praise and ask how can they make my day better 🤣🤣

[chilly brook]

I'm just not entirely comfortable with how to play basic rotation, like if I'm super high on fury how much do I dump at the cost of sitting on fracture etc.

[plush tendon]

my understanding is: for ST you only care about spending fury and not so much about souls

for AoE you only care about souls, not fury

[chilly brook]

Well that makes things easier

[plush tendon]

still, youd rather not sit on fractures; if you can press fracture in ST and not cap fury do so

but getting as many Fraility stacks on the target is the goal

[violet ginkgo]

you supposed not to avoid? the dps and healer need to stack on you so the debuff gone faster and like augusto said this is healer fight (again)

[reef sluice]

Is it possible to pull mad queen's out of a prot vault?

[violet ginkgo]

no

must be on dps spec loot (arms/fury)

[reef sluice]

If I'm mostly full bis, should I start swapping fury to open?

[plush tendon]

you open the vault depending on what your targeting

if you want a shield and 1h open as prot

if you want 1h and trinkets open as fury

if you dont care about shield or 1h open as arms

[violet ginkgo]

I think most of the time this season I felt like we will open as fury a lot. Prot only grabbing shield and not so much good tank trinket.

[plush tendon]

I have a 639 wep and a crafted shield

so Im opening as Arms now

not like I want another 1h

[hybrid fossil]

does anyone have a good GB route for +11/12 pug?

[soft tusk]

https://keystone.guru/routes/tww/season/1

[chilly brook]

pull big early

like grab the overseer pack with the first dragon

in the first pull

[tawdry herald]

1st pack + dragon into 2nd pack with lust, overseer pat + 3rd pack chained into 4th pack with the 2 random adds at the start of the flying section

[chilly brook]

ye

[tawdry herald]

personally

[chilly brook]

Although I just prefer to grab pat with everything at the dragons in one go

[tawdry herald]

if i can grab the overseer with the 1st pull i usually do but if he pats too close i get the 3rd pack and wipe

so sometimes i do sometimes i dont

[chilly brook]

Had a pug bitch at me for it yesterday

apparently I single handedly bricked the key (not him and the druid healer flopping over randomly in normal pulls and also butt pulling dragons)

[tawdry herald]

yeah they just need to be prepared to run, i position the pull so they can LOS the knock and they never do and just die to not interrupting

-80% HP from the knock and then an earth bolt to the face

make it make sense

[chilly brook]

He was mad because I did an unhinged pull because we were tight on time

grabbed last 4 pack before 3rd boss and pulled them into the double lava bois

[tawdry herald]

😂

[chilly brook]

but it was either succeed there and have a chance to time or brick it for sure

[tawdry herald]

fair if it works

[chilly brook]

YoU cAnT dO tHaT pUlL

I mean you can, I've seen it done

[tawdry herald]

ppl just need to enjoy themselves more imo

every season, every player ends with a record of like 30-50% bricked keys

people delude themselves into thinking "this season will be different, i'm gonna time everything"

[chilly brook]

I've just subscribed to the "if you're tight on time try something wild" mentality

You lose nothing

[tawdry herald]

and theyre just insufferable if you dont time everything you run

[chilly brook]

And only have something to gain

[jagged pier]

i dunno i got like a 90% success rate

[tawdry herald]

truly

if you can even step foot into a +12 or you mythic raid you are already a better and more experienced player than 98% of the playerbase

so its more like an averages thing

[chilly brook]

I've enjoyed becoming a more and more unhinged tank

wild pulls are fun

[tawdry herald]

i think prot warrior supports unhinged gameplay

[chilly brook]

not even playing prot

[tawdry herald]

our personals are so flexible

shame on you

[chilly brook]

I'm playing brew lol

[raven sluice]

did they fix the jump out in Arakara final boss? it now seems to double pull inot the boss

[chilly brook]

unless something changed in the last 48 hours then don't think so

but I've heard you need to be out of the pull before the boss snaps you in for anything like that to work

[sharp gale]

Do you wait the little jump before you heroic leap ?

[raven sluice]

maybe i was doing it too early

i was hitting it at 1s on cast

[chilly brook]

you wait for the boss to snap you in

then you use your movement

[sharp gale]

You have to wait the little jump it means she grabbed you

[raven sluice]

rgr - thanks for clarifying

[urban bane]

it usually is a little past the 1s mark in my experience

but still worked fine last night when i ran it

[sharp gale]

Yesterday it worked yes, I didn’t do any keys today I don’t think it changed, at around 1 second just stop hitting and watch that little cute jump

[tranquil river]

Hey folks, is there any specific haste threshold is hould reach to play with into the fray?

[zealous goblet]

i'm told 35-40% unbuffed

which is pretty unattainable in s1 without doing weird shit

[violet ginkgo]

below that you can use it at your own risk.

[urban portal]

ye no one is stopping you from using it

and its prob fine in raid

since you arent tanking all the time

[inland raft]

I mean its obviously fine even at high keys as shown by the leaderboards, its just suboptimal and so use at your own discretion knowing its not as good in current gear as hr

[tardy abyss]

ITF feels so bad imo

[sturdy quest]

Dumb question but is there a tanknotes style website for m+? What needs to be interrupted on trash, boss strats, etc

[wintry gate]

so annoying when i'm the only one interrupting

[jagged pier]

thats normal

[shrewd plinth]

The ret pal pulling 3…

[blazing condor]

best is when you play wth DHs who actually benefit from interrupting

and they dont

[shrewd plinth]

The only time my group interrupts is when spell reflect is up

[wintry gate]

is it actually? if I’m playing with a dps duo should I tell them to kick more or is this how it should be?

[jagged pier]

i mean thats generally how pugs are

[muted arch]

does plater have an option to show timers on the unit plates?

spell CDs for trash

[tribal wharf]

i've gotten it to show the name of whom is pointing the spell at

so i would imagne

[muted arch]

sorry i mean like dbm timer on unit plate

so when the mob will cast the ability again

[tribal wharf]

dont mean like that right wth the cast timer for current spell

oh ya i dunno if or how you do what you mean

with plater

[frank crystal]

what optimal uptime of shield wall lol

just got roasted

[jagged pier]

do u mean shield block?

[cinder storm]

shield wall

[inner wren]

let's all reroll to brewmaster

[cinder storm]

[real fossil]

Hold your interrupt except for the casts that can wipe the group- volleys, etc 👍🏼

[muted arch]

no, the thing on the right there

[shrewd plinth]

This, tank should be prioing the real important stuff unless you have someone you trust/knows what’s up

[real fossil]

You can interrupt 20 random bolts but if the important cast goes off your group is dedge

[muted arch]

shows when the next heavy slash will be for cleavers in siege for example

so you know when to face it away

[real fossil]

It’s a fun pug mini game to see if anyone will interrupt the important ability

[wintry gate]

My pugs never won this game yet

[tribal wharf]

i dont know what it is srry

[shrewd plinth]

It’s real nice when you have a trustworthy dps cause you can turn inward and focus on ya know, tanking. But when mass bolt wipes you the dps usually don’t go “ah damn we should have got that”

[real fossil]

I play pugs as if no one will ever interrupt so I hold mine for the wipe able cast

Fun trying to decide what to do when there’s 2 of those in a pack

[tribal wharf]

just spam red pings at the mob that needs interupted

ez

[shrewd plinth]

Hard to ping the exact right mob in a pile of 6+ all standing in the same spot

[real fossil]

You can will your way through a lot of groups interrupting less and instead only doing it for hard abilities at the end of the cast

[tribal wharf]

i ONLY ever do the normal basic ping

[shrewd plinth]

Could macro a marker to key bind like a skull

[tribal wharf]

the one that changes by context

and i only ever do skull x markers for mobs/players sq/cross for tank healer

green world marker if i have to say move here

[real fossil]

Opie is nice addon for different markers

Ping wheel for markers basically

[cinder storm]

can always find a profile to change frame colors for specific adds so its faster to find them in a group

[opal rivet]

This 😀😀

[tribal wharf]

nope

i just have MBL mark bar lives

and it does exactly what you think it does

actual 1 click to mark skull

cant be beat

[wet bone]

this x100

[cold spindle]

What's an ideal amount of Versatility for tanking 8's and up? I'm ok for most pulls but there are some spots where I just get smoked in some dungones. Current stats

[ocean nova]

even with a weak aura yelling not to interrupt they still manage to interrupt lol

[deft cove]

Is there a spreadsheet with important Intervene uses? for e.g. NW first boss?

[sleek current]

It's more likely you're mis-managing defensives or shield block. Throw us a log of your next key and we can take a look

[cold spindle]

Ok. Thank you.

[ocean nova]

i tend to use intervene reactively, for example if you know aoe dmg is incoming and one person is low compared to others i would intervene them

or if i see a bolt getting off on someone and i know we have no kicks i would intervene them

[sleek current]

Where does "All melee and ranged attacks" turn into AoE... I've always just assumed it doesn't work... I mean it doesn't stop me from trying but, I'd use it purely based on experience.

[deft cove]

yeah, thats what i am trying to do sofar ^^ just wondering if there are some mechanics i should be aware of 🙂

[vestal moat]

what is the intervene tech on first boss necrotic? does the vomit target take no damage?

[deft cove]

yee

[vestal moat]

interesting. they still gotta position themselves away from everyone else though right

[sleek current]

Yeah

You're only protecting the target you intervened

[simple goblet]

If you reflect and intervene no puddle

[deft cove]

yes, we try to always stay close to the boss and the person targeted moves a few meters

[ocean nova]

necrotic probably the most important one as on high keys it basically one shots without a rolling cd

on siege you have the 2nd boss its pretty good there as well

on mist last boss you can intervene the target that gets fixated

[molten gorge]

If I wanna take Disrupting Shout, what do I drop ideally?

[sleek current]

The one that isn't instigate on the opposite side

[vestal moat]

What is the second boss siege intervene? it's the pirate right? didnt know she had a targeted ability

[sleek current]

Bloodsurge!

There we go, it came to me

[sleek current]

Ricochet

[ocean nova]

she shoots a ricochet on someone that bounces off to multiple targets

puts a dot on them

[tribal wharf]

for SV

[zealous goblet]

consider unbinding your kick so they arent carried

fuck 'em

[tribal wharf]

generally speaking, you want to kick the refectable molten something on mechanists fight, rather than try to reflect it right

cuz the reflect seems to require a set up of example BDK has AMZ for party

to reduce the dmg, since ur not kicking it for reflect

[ocean nova]

i wouldnt do that personally it sounds sketch

[tribal wharf]

i feel like it should be noted in the reflect guide that basically what i just said or short version

[sleek current]

Pretty sure it's an AoE...

Yeah, you need to kick it. It's AoE, just double checked.

[tribal wharf]

volley

[sleek current]

Yeah, volley.

[tribal wharf]

which is bolts at applicable targets

[sleek current]

Doesn't seem to have any qualifiers so, I'd assume it basically can't be avoided outside of usual immunity means et cetera.

[wintry gate]

and watch the dps blame eachother and die

:)

[tribal wharf]

definitely can reflect it, and for dmg

[sleek current]

Is it worth it though? +10 it's not a cast I'd want going off. 1.56mil disappears in the blink of an eye at the moment.

[tribal wharf]

thats only on a 4 key, fort

[drifting dagger]

If it’s anything like the despoiler or anima slash I reflect them bitches for 8-9 mil

[tribal wharf]

so, its probably like, 4M on a 10

maybe 5

[drifting dagger]

Reflect makes the despoiler nothing it’s kinda gross

[tribal wharf]

i dunno what u mean despoiler but also in SV in general is spell reflect heaven for trash

basically all trash pulls can be reflected

ya, the bigger rock men in SV toward skarmorak, u can only do 2 of every 3, but it hits for like 5 milion + on fort

[grim pilot]

@south zealot some sv action

[tribal wharf]

i bet that rogue is happy with himself

[grim pilot]

he always does these overalls

[drifting dagger]

I know I’m in prot but has anyone seen an outlaw rogue? I haven’t seen one all season

Actually shit I dunno if I’ve even seen sub

[real fossil]

Not many outlaw 1 tricks

[south zealot]

pretty pog

[south zealot]

sin is just clearly the best

[drifting dagger]

I just can’t get into muktidotting I imagine that’s unfun to play 🤷‍♂️

[south zealot]

stealth spreads your dots to a few targets

[inner wren]

assa is insane im always happy to invite them

[ornate thicket]

Think sub is low right now

[molten pollen]

quick question, for the queen im guessing we cant take the heal absorb?

[acoustic radish]

is mountain or colossal better?

[toxic pewter]

wat? who said that?

we can take liquify or feast both very well

[molten pollen]

alot of people idk, last night we did queen and we have a bear so he took them all cuz the healer couldn't take the heal absob off of me

[toxic pewter]

lol

[molten pollen]

ya

[toxic pewter]

Just gotta pop shield wall demo shout before you take the hit

[molten pollen]

i think i can do it pretty okay ish but they didnt take it off so

i did

[toxic pewter]

can last stand + impending victory

[paper tendon]

craft 636 weapon or shield?

[molten pollen]

i also sometimes last stand but yeah

[toxic pewter]

but that is just fake news to say we cannot take feast. We also own against liquify, spell block alone is insane against it

[molten pollen]

i did that too

but apparently it wasnt enough 🤷‍♀️

[toxic pewter]

generally want to get a good shield

[paper tendon]

cheers

[toxic pewter]

sounds like a healer issue then

[molten pollen]

i mean i can send the logs but ya

[toxic pewter]

weapon also very important too though, so may as well craft both if you can (that is to say if you are not planning to get myth track gear)

[sleek current]

Take boss first, spell block and spell reflect liquify. You'll take 1 feast, shield wall (you can save demo shout but, it shouldn't be necessary). last stand then impending victory straight away, and healthstone. If you aren't alive by the time impending comes back up... Your healers need a talking to.

[toxic pewter]

might want to last stand first before using IV though

since IV is a 20% heal of your max HP, so makes sense to use LS first

[sleek current]

Good point, bigger benefit.

[toxic pewter]

ya

not end of the world but it can add up

[deft relic]

anyone know what the small purple circles on the floor do in the 2md boss of CoT? been wondering why people step on it from time to time... I thought it just did dmg to you..

[molten pollen]

ok well i didnt Victory straight away i dont think i did last stand a few times, we dont have a lock so yeah, but i always did shield block + wall + demo

[toxic pewter]

can even pop a health potion if needed too I suppose

[sleek current]

Pass us the log, I'll take a look

[sleek current]

They shouldn't be standing in them. They do ticking damage and indicate where the frontal comes from.

[molten pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jaCK89Xb1dMRznT6#fight=9&type=auras&source=7

[inner wren]

they step in them cuz that shit is purple on purple

[molten pollen]

its my frist time tanking it btw

[toxic pewter]

typical wow player: "oh wow cool stuff on the ground, i am going to go stand in that"

[molten pollen]

i was dpsing before but we needed a tnak so

[sleek current]

They built your tombstone and laid you to rest before you even showed signs of illness.

37 seconds!

Bruh

[molten pollen]

LOL

[deft relic]

oh ok....... xD damn

[molten pollen]

XD

[deft relic]

thank you!

[molten pollen]

normally it lasts how long

[sleek current]

You were dying over 37 seconds, it doesn't matter how long liquify lasts. They did 800k total healing to you in the span of 37 seconds.

[toxic pewter]

your death took 37 seconds

ya lol

[south pond]

which dungeons do are we supposed to play spell block in?

[toxic pewter]

your healers suk

[molten pollen]

rip :c

[sleek current]

Check the pins for the spell block spreadsheet

[molten pollen]

i did the right stuff doe right?

well

not perfect

but

yeah

[sleek current]

For the most part, yeah. Shield Block should be up from the start, it's a little late.

[molten pollen]

kk

lets say you pop at what before pull ? 2 sec?

1sec?

but yeah the healers were like DAMN we cant heal you can the bear take it

anyways

[sleek current]

Charge + Taunt straight into Shield Charge. That's 4 seconds of Shield Block, you'll have rage to press shield block.

You took 3 mil from the feast and didn't die... I'm still investigating that.

[molten pollen]

oh i though you met spell block

LOL

[sleek current]

I usually press spell block a couple of seconds before liquify comes out but, your priority is having shield block up, spell block doesn't work without it.

[molten pollen]

ok

welp i guess it wasnt all my fault 🤷‍♀️

[sleek current]

Based on this short 1:21 log... You weren't even close to the problem

[molten pollen]

yeah well...

anyways

lol

[sleek current]

The only person healing your feast, was you.

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s kinda weird how little healing you got lol

[sleek current]

It's actually mental.

[toxic pewter]

Yes LOL

[molten pollen]

brother i dont even know what to say but im kinda not suprise lets say it like that

[toxic pewter]

… almost Ike they wanted you to die.. I am not a conspiracy theorist.. but all I’m saying…

[sleek current]

You had feast active on you for 46% of the fight.

[molten pollen]

youre maybe on to something fuck

[toxic pewter]

I'd be like ' YO CAN A SISTA GET A LAY ON HANDS OR SOMETHIN JESUS EFFIN CHRIST'

'im DYIN HERE'

[molten pollen]

xd

[kind urchin]

I had to get into my healers about getting that feast off of me too.

[fathom prism]

hey uh

I saw 15k haste unbuffed was what we are after

but

should I get more vers then....

[sleek current]

UNGA BUNGA WANT HASTE! MORE HASTE, HASTE SEARCH NEVER END

Haste taste good

[round pendant]

no

[fathom prism]

ok

[round pendant]

get crit

[fathom prism]

ok

yes

ok

thank you

[round pendant]

You can't reach enough haste this season to go ITF in keys anyway

so haste > crit >= vers > mastery

[toxic pewter]

who said you want 15k haste anyway

[fathom prism]

idk i looked up haste in this channel

and people said 15%

[toxic pewter]

15k I typed 15% by accident

not sure who said that but we want as much haste as you can get

[inner wren]

more haste

[fathom prism]

yes mb meant 15k

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/no-dilly-dallying-brendar-the-barbarian-and-the-troll-dont-waste-time-make-haste-gif-21614972

[fathom prism]

Its just kind of cooked, because all of my gear is suited for fury

so im loaded on mastery that I dont want