protection

[tribal wharf]

nah, if im playing healer someones dead to not healing

[frosty mango]

the affix requires you to dump healing into it to clear it or everything else heals, it's not an absorb but it's eating your gcds

assuming no one is dispelling

[turbid shuttle]

but you just said you're already healing your group so...

[frosty mango]

you're healing people to keep them alive not to remove that debuff, someone might be at 60% health and someone might be at 10, triaging and keeping the debuff off becomes difficult when that happens

its just easier to bring a shaman and not worry about it, thats the point im trying to make

[turbid shuttle]

if someone has the affix on them and you press a heal, what do you think happens?

[frosty mango]

their health goes up, and the debuff goes down by the same amount

[turbid shuttle]

ok good... so if you're healing your group and the affix needs to be cleared, it just passively gets cleared

like yes it's easier for shaman no question

[stone moat]

Wait really

[frosty mango]

I understand how it works, I'm telling you that in practice trying to do that while triaging people is fucking impossible

[turbid shuttle]

the affix is not a true absorb. it doesn't prevent healing

[tribal wharf]

i think what i mean is, with the balance, is its gotta be like, if you play really well, amazing things happen and its only if you do really dumb you get 1 shot, like you didnt reflect the tank buster first boss dawn breake

[frosty mango]

yes its not an absorb

[stone moat]

That’s cool asf

[turbid shuttle]

if you have lots of healing to do you'll passively clear it. if you don't have lots of healing to do you have spare gcds to clear it.

and like 8 classes have dispels

it's a non-issue if anybody in your group has a brain

[frosty mango]

pretty much everyone but war has a reliable dispel

for that affix, anyway

[turbid shuttle]

ok so what's the problem?

[sharp gale]

Impeding victory and half is gone

[turbid shuttle]

and anybody with a dispel can get 2 reliably

[frosty mango]

coordination, comp, people panicing

im not saying you're wrong, im saying in practice it gets chaotic and difficult quickly

[turbid shuttle]

if people are bad it can be a problem, but if they're bad you're in a key low enough that you can just carry them by being good

[frosty mango]

and as long as something like poison cleansing totem exists in a world where that affix exists, every other healer will be nearly pointless. just compounded by priest having no kick and no poison or curse debuff

[turbid shuttle]

this is a ridiculous take

[sharp gale]

Sham dps can take it…

[frosty mango]

is it though

because the numbers say it's a pretty accurate take

[turbid shuttle]

the mid key meta is driven by the high key meta, and the high key meta is 100% independent of the affix because it doesn't exist there

[sharp gale]

It’s not because of poison totem sham is in 100% of high keys

There is no affix at 12 in the first place

[turbid shuttle]

pct is quality of life for non high key pushers, that's all

[frosty mango]

its one of like four major reasons

having a group wide poison cleanse in general, a curse cleanse, spirit link which is insanely powerful in a 5m setting, and a reliable short cd kick

[turbid shuttle]

it had all of those things 1 season ago

[sharp gale]

Why sham was not meta before lol

[frosty mango]

when you align that with the dungeon pool this season, obviously its gonna be a clear choice

[frosty mango]

because this dungeon pool is plagued with poisons and curses and a shitload of unavoidable group aoe damage

same reason DH was meta tank last expansion, it's toolkit was perfectly aligned to the dungeon set and stop meta

[turbid shuttle]

there's like 5 total important curses/poisons in the whole pool. you're dramatically overselling it.

[tribal wharf]

I believe that the balance should be around 3 things, "can we burn it" "can we mechanics it" "can we cheese it"

and if it fails multiple of those, thats when its time to fi it

[torpid merlin]

Hey all, how do you deal with the slows + swirlies + stuns on the sides at the end of Ara Kara? The little guys melee hits add a slow, and the caster drops some big swirlies. I can usually heroic leap the first, but the second set almost always ends in death without an external

[simple drum]

Logs

[leaden grail]

did it have the throughput it has now? every healer I talk to basically says that resto shaman (along with pres evoker) feels like the best healer to actually keep the group alive, all utility aside

[leaden grail]

I intervene a friendly. avatar also purges the slow effect

[torpid merlin]

Intervene is a great idea. And I could hold avatar too. Thank you.

[leaden grail]

I play with premades tho and I tell the guys to move as early as possible, otherwise intervene isnt consistent

[sharp gale]

My point is rsham is meta just because it’s the best healer not of his utility, you would see more dps sham if it was the case

And yes you see some dps sham, but not like rsham which is in every key

[torpid merlin]

Yeah, I've pugged all the 11s, and at this point I started going down the middle of arakara because I hate those sides, but everyone in pugs hates going down the middle lol

[leaden grail]

the middle big bug guy also ramps damage on every stomp, you really dont want to play that dude ever I think.

[torpid merlin]

I imagine he's trouble in high keys, but right now he falls over in 11s without much fuss

[leaden grail]

I mean its probably fine in 11s, maybe in 12s, but at some point that guy is gonna become a mass murderer

[torpid merlin]

Yep

[sharp gale]

Im gnome so I don’t have this issue, and you can just take someone with a slow dispel

[torpid merlin]

I think I could time it just right with the heroic leap talent to leap the first, avatar the second, and have leap back up for the third

[leaden grail]

Also I feel like the small guys on the side might be more efficient count? Then there's also the possibility to just skip almost everything in the last room. You can actually jump down on the sides, have a shaman drop a speed totem and the floor wont kill you before you make it to a safe spot

[sharp gale]

Like pal or monk or smth else I guess lot have, or a grab on ally

[torpid merlin]

I had not heard about that skip before

[inner oracle]

if you have a pal or monk in your group you can also ask them to save their slow dispel for you

[torpid merlin]

Also great options

[leaden grail]

We did it once or twice when fucking around with routes, its kinda scuffed and I dont like it a lot but its doable for sure. You can grab a shitload of count before 1st/2nd boss and skip a lot before last

[inner oracle]

oh and btw shaman speed ttotem can also dispel slows if talented 😄

[sharp gale]

Avatar dispel slows

[torpid merlin]

So what you're telling me is these pug rshaman have been letting me die

Jk lol

[inner oracle]

they don't take that talent often, it's very niche

but very useful

like in COT it can dispel the dot on 2nd boss

on everyone

[torpid merlin]

The double boss?

[inner oracle]

yes, the ice sickles something that goes on everyone but tank

leaves a dot + slow

[sharp gale]

Does Druid has something to dispel slow on someone else ? It might be something roar could do in my mind

[inner oracle]

not that I recall

[sharp gale]

I don’t see a lot of Druid tbh I don’t know what they do except decurse

[inner oracle]

it's a pvp talent, that removes slow when you roar as druid

well druid can dispel poison, and soothe enrage, also typhoon & vortex are very useful

[sharp gale]

Soothe enrage does not seem interesting this season maybe I didn’t notice except grim shits

[inner oracle]

lol, did you do grim batol at a serious key lvl? 😄

[sharp gale]

I said except grim

[inner oracle]

but you also have in NW

boss & trash

and in DB

[nimble laurel]

what is typically the deciding factor between Heavy Repercussions and Into the Fray for m+?

[inner oracle]

do you have enough haste to maintain enough shield block uptime

[nimble laurel]

what amount of haste is required for that? 🤷‍♂️

[remote tusk]

45 min

[south zealot]

can just stun those guys

[nimble laurel]

45%?

[south zealot]

no?

[south zealot]

about 20k unbuffed

im at 17k unbuffed and have some drops for a second or two

[buoyant lintel]

where do you see your % of blocked melee attacks in details?

[quiet zenith]

So we want 20k unbuffed so we can keep up 100% shield block with into Frey?

[jagged gust]

Need to check logs

[tired forge]

what battle potions are people using for m+? unwavering?

[steel crystal]

So logs is the only place to checked how much you blocked

[lament zealot]

Anyone know of any high key pushing Colossus players? I know Shuhwar was doing it but I think he went thane

[cinder marsh]

anybody know what the thing is called that you can buy on the auction house that gives you the ascendance on ur weapon

NVM

[inner wren]

it depends on th ekey

kira does colossus for city of threads

it is also playable on mists/ara kara

[deft mortar]

Some Frost DK bricked my NW 12

Because he accidentally pulled packs with his stupid fkn breath

TWICE

[simple drum]

Is anyone upset or bummed that Prot is getting no love or major changes in 11.0.5, or are we a spec that doesn’t need much improvement or changes right now?

[deft mortar]

And caused 2 wipes

I aint iniviting a goddamn frost dk again

[inner wren]

i dont think prot war needs any more love rn

[deft mortar]

new huntard

[white garden]

can spell reflect stop you from getting sticky web on Ovinax?

[onyx vessel]

Complaints about the best tank not getting buffed be glad it's not nerfs

[scarlet stone]

Best tank with the worst group buff :pepehands:

[mighty valley]

i think we're alright

[long bronze]

balanced trinket

[fiery gale]

Chinese bears going hard too

[drifting dagger]

Wait what the hell… that zippo dude has 0 SV done

It’s the only thing keeping him out of the RIO leaderboard

[tulip remnant]

Guarantee you he has a bear in that somewhere for other dungeons

[south zealot]

spec doesnt need changes

changes are more likely to be negative honestly

[fiery gale]

Maybe they’re pushing 1 by 1, SV to come soon

[drifting dagger]

Ya that would make sense

Just seems weird to not even done 10’s or 12’s of SV at all

[tulip remnant]

Doesn’t really need to

Prot doesn’t need the SV gear

[drifting dagger]

Just seemed unique to me but then again I go dungy by dungy leveling each one up 10/11/12
so forth so forth

[south zealot]

pushing with a group

[drifting dagger]

Group? Is that French?

I hate myself so I pug

[fiery gale]

Hmmmmmm

That’s really few runs wtf

It’s the zippo

[drifting dagger]

Is it cuz he’s from CN server?

Maybe the api not recording?

[waxen frigate]

i do believe raider.io only takes uploaded logs into account from CN servers

not 100% sure tho

[compact berry]

619 swarmlords and 613 sacbrood or 616 mercurial egg

[dark belfry]

Anyone has any good recomendations on what to craft? I feel completly lost?

Feels like waist might be unworth it since it drops from first boss and its a easy boss to pug

So faar Ive done One hand sword + Shield

[next plaza]

This may have been asked to death:
|

Anything worth targeting during the aniversary raid?

[vivid sinew]

Is there a list of items?

[next plaza]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/20th-anniversary-event-blackrock-depths-raid-loot

[vivid sinew]

ty

[timid solstice]

how big is the ara-kara trinket ?

[jagged gust]

it's good

Better than most, worse than others

should feel good about getting one, one of the best out of the m+ pool

[sick grotto]

Seems like a lot of proc based weaps

But will only cap at 626

[drifting dagger]

I don’t see anything I wanna use a relic key on

[sick grotto]

I think couple of trinkets seem interesting

The flame shield one might have some value to pocket

As its absorb seems bigger then our current ones

[drifting dagger]

Honestly I doubt I will even step foot in there

[sick grotto]

Ill give it a whirl for content

Hopefully its good content with proper mechs

[drifting dagger]

Content? There are keys to push sir

[sick grotto]

Dru

Gotta stop pugging if i really wana push

[jagged gust]

the gearbox and roccor trinkets look interesting

[sick grotto]

I think the baelgar one might have some value

O oof its 2 min cd

[jagged gust]

the damage seems incredibly small as well

100k at 626, split evenly

[sick grotto]

For gearbox?

[jagged gust]

nah the baelgar one

[sick grotto]

Mmm i think its interesting cause its only 30% mit

Meaning shield will stick longer

But its double cd of swarm

Wonder if gearbox is aoe

If it is can see that being pretty decent

[jagged gust]

"torrent of fire" certainly sounds like aoe

[sick grotto]

No mention of split dmg

[mighty fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/ddYNh2B.png what 619 proffesion item do i craft next

[wintry gate]

tank +8s and get the 90 crests for 636 gear

[mighty fulcrum]

eventually yes

[wintry gate]

you can do it now at 609

easily

[mighty fulcrum]

so should i just spend harginers on upgrading current gear then

runed harbingers*

[wintry gate]

yeah

im pushing 2400 runed and i've only gotten 120 total runed

[mighty fulcrum]

upgrading tier pieces gives big stats

good idea ill just do that

have an annoying isssue with being low on valorstones

every other alts always capped at 2000

[wintry gate]

how is your tanking so far?

what keys are you running

[mighty fulcrum]

7s

[wintry gate]

yeah you should just be doing 8s tbh

[mighty fulcrum]

only been playing 2 days, need to watch a good guide video

pretty much just pressing all the buttons

[wintry gate]

i'd reccomend getting 2 weakaura bars, one for shield block and the other bar for ignore pain

[mighty fulcrum]

i have a small icon one but its shit

[wintry gate]

it's super easy just use shield slam, thunderclap, and shield charge all on cd, focus shield slam, then shield charge, then thunderclap

and keep your shield block always up 100% of the time and ignore pain close to 2mil dmg netigation

[mighty fulcrum]

need to learn openers

[wintry gate]

https://wago.io/YeOZUSGlm/1 (sheld block), https://wago.io/YeOZUSGlm/1 ignore pain

[mighty fulcrum]

like first pull mists, sv etc

[wintry gate]

just when you start the dungeon, open with shield charge, then you get a free 40 rage

then use ignore pain

then thunder clap to generate threat, then shield slam

your basically trying to reset shield slam cd always, mostly with thunderclap

[mighty fulcrum]

i think im using revenge over thunderclap to often

[mighty valley]

yeah revenge is dead last, esp for thane

[wintry gate]

revenge is a rage spender, thunderclap is a rage gainer

only use revenge if you have full shield block and close to full ignore pain to reset your shield slam cd, or when it procs for free

[mighty fulcrum]

i see

[mighty valley]

well not really

you should endeavor to use it in every gcd where everything else is on cd

[wintry gate]

wdym?

[mighty valley]

if you use so much rage on ignore pain that you have an empty gcd because you can't afford revenge

that's not good

missing a chance to reset ss

[wintry gate]

ah yeah thats what i said

wait

[mighty valley]

when starting out you don't really need to obsess about current IP amount, just use it to prevent overcapping and you'll have plenty IP

[wintry gate]

every dungeon i've done i rarely get full ip unless it's a boss

grented i've been under ilvled for most dungeons so it's probably more true if your ilvl is higher

[lofty veldt]

look at what the weekly m+ quest got me

woohoo!

[mighty valley]

nice!

[white garden]

how noticable is the diff in defenive between 619 crafted shield and 636?

[wintry gate]

i had a 610 shield and it was pretty noticable ngl

[mighty valley]

big, shield ilvl is important

[wintry gate]

IP was easier to keep high without spamming it

so close to 2400 😦

[restive oak]

just break into 10s broski

[ocean nova]

whats your ilvl?

[wintry gate]

616

[restive oak]

u ready

[wintry gate]

the problem is pugging

just need a good healer tbh

[ocean nova]

im currently struggling with pugging 12s

[restive oak]

yeah, it gets harder the farther out from patch start honestly

[ocean nova]

1 minor inconvenience and they think the key is over

[wintry gate]

we had a stonevault 9 with an arcane mage, he died on the first lust pull from the trash, and his overall dps from the beginning to finishing the boss was the same as me, 600k..

[white garden]

in 10s or higher whats a GOOD overall dps to aim for??

[restive oak]

like the guardian druid on the first attempt at an 11, lol he died like 7 times and we were only over by like 90 secs

i mean balance

[wintry gate]

I hate playing guardian druid ngl, if ironfur gave a little bit of magical defensive it would be so much better

to casters your so squishy

[restive oak]

the dk was blasting and almost carried tho

[wintry gate]

I can't believe pallys are getting buffed

ret

[wintry gate]

was he frost?

[restive oak]

uhh my dps is anywhere from 750k on low end to a lil over a mil if i feel comfotable pulling good with group

yeah

[wintry gate]

frost is so nice

did a stonevault 9 with a frost dk, a ele shaman, and a ret pally and the aoe was so nuts

I wish warriors could tank as fury, like in classic

[high wyvern]

Do 10s bro

[restive oak]

collossus actually feels like arms tank, is kinda fun to mess around with

[wintry gate]

today my ilvl was like 611 ish so nobody would accept me in a dawnbreaker

[high wyvern]

Ur a tank

They will take u

[restive oak]

yeah just apply to enough

[wintry gate]

it was probably cause i had dps in my party trying to que

if i was solo 100%

[restive oak]

yeah, ditch dps clingers lol

[high wyvern]

I once get into a +11 with 612 ilvl

[wintry gate]

haha omg

[white garden]

I was 626 Furry, Just started tanking yesterday and am like 2400 IO, should i just confidently jump into 10s and 11s? lol

[high wyvern]

There is a huge tank shortage

Most stressful jobs

[white garden]

im 624 prot now

[restive oak]

do you know the stuff?

if so sure

[wintry gate]

tank is so fun

[high wyvern]

Biggest responsibility

Dps die = dps die

Tank die = party die = key bricked

[restive oak]

dps are monkeys, let the chips fall where they may

[wintry gate]

is 9 ---> 10s that much of a difference?

[high wyvern]

No

Just do it

[wintry gate]

i feel like if we're passing with like 4mins left average it would be a lot more if the mobs have more health + atk

[restive oak]

i mean the tyran +fort, but most of your group will be like 620ish at least

[wintry gate]

then i'll get a good group and ++ the 9

hmm

[restive oak]

just stagger your cds you'll be fine

[wintry gate]

what do you guys think of this?

I feel like the only thing I could add is the champions spear gets more rage on the left tree

[sweet summit]

nuh-uh

[white garden]

ngl i dont trust healers so i take BSV over Ravager

[south zealot]

talent indomitable

for instigate

[wintry gate]

yeah I was thinking that too

[sweet summit]

get rid of the samina nodes, for spear nodes

[south zealot]

take the champion spear nodes

[sweet summit]

and get rid of instigate for indom

[south zealot]

only need to remove 1, theres an extra point higher in the tree

oh nvm

i miscounted

[wintry gate]

it's pain and gain i can take away

[white garden]

this is what i run but like i said i just started yesterday tanking

[sweet summit]

pain and gain really isn't amazing

[south zealot]

drop movement speed for storm bolt as well

and take spell block

instead of tough as nails

[sweet summit]

spell block is situational, you don't need it in all dungeons

[south zealot]

true but like

the loss you take from always having it is so small

[wintry gate]

for me now it's only 400k every 10s so yeah nothing special

[south zealot]

might as well

[wintry gate]

what are some examples to really use spell block

[south zealot]

last area in stonevault is a good example

[white garden]

biggest tank smasher on 2nd boss stonevault

all bossess in stone

xD

[wintry gate]

as a 2nd interrupt?

tbh i never have ever used intervene

[mighty valley]

stuns are just good

[sweet summit]

when you're taking blockable (with spell block) hits for a prolonged period of time (end of stonevault) or as an extra defensive (guardians in mists)

[mighty valley]

you don’t need the rage cap talent really

[sweet summit]

spell block stuff is in the sheet

[mighty valley]

dropping rallying cry is pretty wild

[sweet summit]

is honed reflexes good? 5% seems kinda fake and i've tried it but don't see the difference

[wintry gate]

oh shit and I'm dark iron dwarf so i get 5% movement speed in dungeon anyways

[white garden]

any suggestions for me? 624 ilvl, just started tanking yesterday but am 2400 atm

[wintry gate]

left or right here?

[sweet summit]

both

[wintry gate]

you'd take rallying cry?

[sweet summit]

run Heavy Repercussions over into the fray and take 2nd spear node over stamina

[mighty valley]

over the rage cap talent? yeah

[sweet summit]

oh and also take ravager over bsv

[white garden]

this for this?

[sweet summit]

yes

[white garden]

uhh i love the idea of bsv though lol

[sweet summit]

okay go for it then i guess

[wintry gate]

if i never use intervene can't I just so stormbolt instead

or should i start using intervene

[sweet summit]

start using intervene

[mighty valley]

you’ve got a thane talent that gives a free shield on intervene

[wintry gate]

you have any examples of when to use it lol

[mighty valley]

it’s free real estate

[sweet summit]

anywhere storm shield can give any value

and first boss nw frontal

but stay within 6 yards or whatever

[white garden]

right and left side adds at end of arakara

saves lives with intervene

[broken shoal]

stuff like the adds on last boss mists

[wintry gate]

nw frontal seems really smart

or nw when someone has the gaze on them

so any ad that can't be taunted away from someone

[sweet summit]

i don't think intervene works on the fixate?

[broken shoal]

once you start using it you start noticing times that it's really useful

[broken shoal]

your character intercepts the hits, it doesn't change who they target

you just have to be within 10 yds

[woeful trellis]

Hate it.. u iv them and they start running 🤣 same in nw etc. but iv and rc are your bestfriend in pugs saving life’s left and right with it

[sweet summit]

oh damn, nice

[woeful trellis]

And like erga said SpellB also bis for pugs just scroll up and look at some interrupt counter screenshots 🤣

[wintry gate]

can i have someones talent tree cause idk what to switch out for some of this shit lol

[woeful trellis]

Yes but they panic anyway 🙂‍↕️ i have even a Makro

[wintry gate]

unless this is fine

[woeful trellis]

Looks ok, i like spellb cause less dmg taken is more dmg dealt and the massstun reduce talent cause more stuns is less damage take is more dmg dealt

[white garden]

Can someoen give me a good example in 10s + to actually use battle stance?

[wintry gate]

oh yeah i forgot to do spellb

and just changed out instigate for indomitable

[wintry gate]

could be when a boss is to be able to be executed and you want crit? I'm only doing 9s but thats what i can think of

[woeful trellis]

I use it mostly on bosses, small pulls, or everything under keylvl 11 cause i know what could kill me

[wintry gate]

does anyone have any super big examples of when spell reflection should be used? I always use it as a defensive for a magical dmg in a boss, but like is there certain packs to ALWAYS use it on?

[mighty valley]

it’s just any time you’re not taking meaningful damage. but the gain is small enough that you don’t really need to worry about it until you’re v comfy in the dungeon

[woeful trellis]

You can open pins, there’s a spreadsheet from sense about SR and SpB.

[wintry gate]

oo bet

ty

[mighty valley]

there’s a big sheet in pins with all the spell reflects. anima slashes in mists and both major abilities on last boss city of threads are the first ones that come to mind

[past torrent]

Holy crap heroic queen hits like a mother, other than cooldown management and the right talents, ideas on how to survive?

[woeful trellis]

But the best usage that I can think of is, SV last pull(s). And Mist, what’s it called anima slash or something

[woeful trellis]

It’s more a healer check, you need to proactively use your mitigations. So the feast don’t stack up to much

[tepid furnace]

First boss mists when its dps phase for example

[mighty valley]

spell reflect also just has the magic dr%, even if you’re not reflecting anything you can still just slap that button and probably get value

[wintry gate]

so spam it on cd until I get to the big packs like anima slashes and last boss city of threads, or any other magical dmg for dr

[tepid furnace]

in using it in first boss dawnbreaker as def cd

[wintry gate]

yeah I almost have to to stay alive

even with 2m IP

for the rotating atk she does

[tepid furnace]

u have to use sone other cd too deprns key lvl

[restive oak]

spell block is really good for that one

[woeful trellis]

Would not say spam it, cause most packs have something to reflect or deflect or like a aoe dmg where u can use it and iv someone near you so the healer have more chill time

[wintry gate]

could just watch other tanks and see when they use it

[mighty valley]

yeah pressing all our defensives on cd until you get to know where best to use them is better than not pressing them, but try and learn enemy casts as you go

[woeful trellis]

Yeah first boss db is also a good example for spellB

[wintry gate]

my problem is, I never use my big cds like shield wall or last stand unless it's an oh shit moment

is that bad?

[past torrent]

Yes

[woeful trellis]

Yes bad

[mighty valley]

shield wall has a tiny cooldown if you’re playing right, send that shit

[restive oak]

you use wall proactively

[wintry gate]

i honestly never need it

[restive oak]

then pull bigger :x

[wintry gate]

unless i'm pulling necromancer packs in nw

if i pull bigger we die from not enough kicks lol

[white garden]

whats a good verse to aim for for 10s+ im sitting at 9% but i have shit rings and using

[past torrent]

What level keys are you doing? Cause I know I need to send it pulling bigger packs

[wintry gate]

9s

[sweet summit]

you don't care about vers% we want haste

[tepid furnace]

In gb, nw is many packs where u can use reflect

[past torrent]

They key to reflect is making sure your party has the plater script to not ruin it

[white garden]

hows this look then? cause i have

more haste things from furry

[wintry gate]

my stats are so shit lol

[past torrent]

And yeah, siege 10 I’ll send wall on the first pack

[sweet summit]

they'll ruin it even if you're on voice and yell reflect

[restive oak]

sadge haste

[past torrent]

I know but I can hope

[past torrent]

Jealous of the leech

[sweet summit]

all stats are good. stat%s are astro irrelevant as long as you're not on negative haste. ilvl>haste>vers>=crit>mastery otherwise

[mighty valley]

don’t angst about stats unless your haste is somehow in the dumpster

[ebon talon]

I did a 12 dawnbreaker and the second boss' dark orb was exploding for party damage despite going off and not colliding with anything. is this a bug?

[wintry gate]

my haste is in the dumpster 😦

XD

[sweet summit]

it does damage when it explodes all the way in the back somewhere

[ebon talon]

Idk how I haven't noticed that all this time

That's ridiculous party damage

[sweet summit]

yeah it's very scary on 4th orb overlap with aoe pulse from boss

[wintry gate]

if you send it tword the town then it blows up and hits party but if you send it down the walkway to open land idk, don't think it's hit the party

[ebon talon]

we did it to open land, party damage

[sweet summit]

it still does

we send it down the hill

[wintry gate]

oh weird

thats so shit

[sweet summit]

but that's just how the mechanic works

gotta deal with it

it is what it is

[wintry gate]

you guys ever tuck in the wall of grim batol, in the 3rd dragon boss, and make the ads spawn super close

[restive oak]

every time

[wintry gate]

or is it not worth it on later keys

[sweet summit]

i hide in the alley

:3

[ebon talon]

It's worth it in higher keys

Lower keys it's not worth with this affix since the orbs go through wall funny enough

[wintry gate]

I just put the boss in the middle and let the dps and healer dance around the tornados

[sweet summit]

trivialises a shit boss

W

[wintry gate]

XD

[ebon talon]

nah, you should go to a corner of the room and rotate to another corner after breath

so people dont deal with nados

[wintry gate]

yeah thats what i did before sticking the dragon in the wall lol

then a warlock fears the ads and they change target to me

[sweet summit]

yea only stun/displace them. never disorient with fear/sleet/blinding light

also don't immune the fixate debuff

[wintry gate]

why's this?

like divine shield or?

I feel like I should get a weakaura, but my hotbar is in the bottom middle of my screen with every cd i really need to see on it, so it's like a big weak aura, then i put weak aura glows to buttons i need to hit on cd

am i missing out by not using a popular weakaura?

I feel like if I got one i'd have to move it around to where my buttons are in my hotbar layout, like 1-5, shift 1-5, f1 -5, etc

[restive oak]

whatever works for you

[wintry gate]

it's so cool how you can have 300 people play the same spec and play at the exact same skill level, and everyones bindings could be completely different

whatchu guys think about ui?

[sweet summit]

it will fixate a new target, often nearest target then boom dead

[sweet summit]

divine shield/cloak of shadows. stuff like that

[wintry gate]

ahh gotcha

[sweet summit]

UI is too subjective but if you're tracking what you need to track and not tracking what you don't need then it's good

[lofty veldt]

gamers! i timed my first +8

with 21 deaths.

[woeful trellis]

Letsssss gooooooo

[unkempt hazel]

huge

big even

[woeful trellis]

Use revenge to apply deep wounds was the first thing i thought🤣, looks okay if you can track what you need to track. I would miss a rage bar

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[lofty veldt]

thanks gamers

[unkempt hazel]

last highest key I tanked was like

+19

(old)

[wintry gate]

wouldn’t that be a 9 now?

[unkempt hazel]

pretty much

[twin hill]

Let’s fkn go! +10 next!

[wintry gate]

different armor and ilvl tho

I never understood that

[lofty veldt]

i still get declined from other +8s

[unkempt hazel]

I feel like current +9 are a bit harder

[unkempt hazel]

as tank?

[wintry gate]

M0 was like doing a +10 but the ilvl was way higher so how could you even compare to a +10?

[lofty veldt]

yeah

[unkempt hazel]

[lofty veldt]

maybe cause my rio is still low

[lofty veldt]

i'm at 1982 still

[unkempt hazel]

nice

[wintry gate]

What’s your io and ilvl?

[twin hill]

That’s just how it is. Keep grinding (if that’s your jam) and you’ll get there real quick

[lofty veldt]

1982 and ilvl 616

[unkempt hazel]

ilvl is more than fine

[wintry gate]

damn wtf

how are you getting denied to 8s that’s so weird

[unkempt hazel]

yeah

are u applying to 2.7k hosts

maybe thats why

[wintry gate]

I’m only 616 and 2390 and I’m getting into 9s like first try

If you get 2k you’ll probably get instantly invited ngl

just do your worst keys tbh

get them all to 7

[unkempt hazel]

I noticed my invites got a large boost once I passed 2.2k mark

[twin hill]

I guess since +8 gives gilded crests now, people with more rio also apply

[unkempt hazel]

(as dps)

[woeful trellis]

Yeah it’s cause of the crest farmer, right after reset it’s hard for under 2k ppl

[twin hill]

I think around 2.2k the color of your rio in dungeon finder changes. From blue to purple?

[unkempt hazel]

but yeah depends what u apply for too, u might have say +8 dawn timed, but when u apply to grim batol but ur highest gm timed is +3 it might be a problem

[unkempt hazel]

purple to LEGENDARY

[wintry gate]

Just try to apply to ppls ones that are 1900 - 2200

[unkempt hazel]

2k is blue to epic I think

[twin hill]

Really? I thought you need at least 2.4K for LEGENDARY

[twin hill]

Huh

[unkempt hazel]

i could be an addon tbf

[twin hill]

That still might be the „boost“ in invites, because monkey see monkey do

[unkempt hazel]

I have no clue

[woeful trellis]

It’s not about the number , doesn’t it show like % wise if more ppl get over 3k 2.2 will be blue at some time

I thought at least that it works like this

[unkempt hazel]

honestly no idea

I just see half the lfg at 2.6k and dont bother applying to those

[rotund moon]

What stats make ignore pain scale harder? str and verse?

[sharp gale]

It is % wise, you need to look color through raider.io, 2k2 is blue-purple

More purple I think, but 2k2 was the now 3k color first week

[violet ginkgo]

You'll be surprised how ppl be picky about tank, sometimes they rather just wait 1 more hour.

[unkempt hazel]

nah my pwarr gets instant invites man

(to +2's)

[sharp gale]

I get insta invites in 10s when I tag as dps

Even if it shows I play tank

[finite burrow]

I can't play as dps with 616 and 2k rio, I get rejected in +4 sometimes (trying to farm the other crest to upgrade last champion items), being dps is shit if you play alone, it's sad but true

[unkempt hazel]

rough

+4 folk rly have brain rot if thats true

[sharp gale]

If you are in EU servers I can tag with you when I come home

[unkempt hazel]

im just happy to finally get into 8's

bout time I got them gildeds

[finite burrow]

haha I had to craft a 619 weapon because can't farm the good crest, now I'm poor

[unkempt hazel]

gon craft big wep

cant wait

20 more gilded

[noble cove]

Dw brother , I get rejected when I wanna help in low keys with 626 ilvl and 2.5k rio

[sick grotto]

I get picked up very quick any key prot, fury is much slower

[noble cove]

It's not you , it's the class , when ppl see warrior it's disease

[sick grotto]

Even when your playing prot?

[unkempt hazel]

also that

[noble cove]

Nah , with prot is brainless , cause it's one of the budget tanks

[unkempt hazel]

cuz I see a dps warr in so many groups

class too popular

prot being meta prolly made it worse

[sick grotto]

Play rogue stonks going up

Assassination looks mint

[unkempt hazel]

I see so many rogues lately too

yesterday entire lfg was like a dps warr and a rogue in every damn group

[sick grotto]

Dude warrior aside the amount of ret paladins

Ahh not as common as ret imo

[unkempt hazel]

so few ranged

[sick grotto]

Every 2nd application is a pink boi

[unkempt hazel]

i am NOT applying as a third melee to ara ara

[sharp gale]

When I did hc pug raid Wednesday I saw what they prepare for .5 it was funny

[sick grotto]

[woeful trellis]

I don’t even like to invite fury’s, cause they don’t know about sr and they do instant spin to win, had a fury 6/8m 630 gs in a +11 gb he stunned/interrupted all my Dmg reflects, charged into the adds 3rd boss stand behind 2nd boss so the frontal was like 70% of our path and spin to win the adds at last boss and died cause didn’t use any defense and I safed healer with iv. We timed it but man i was angry

[sharp gale]

5 hunters and 5 pals they still cope

[woeful trellis]

But i need to give props, cause he stayed after and listened to the tipps I gave him

[sick grotto]

Fury players are still running slayer most of the time in keys

[sharp gale]

In 10 idk what to play tbh as fury

[sick grotto]

Thane is the true gigachad fury gameplay

[sharp gale]

I played both, same dps in 10

[sick grotto]

Thane is 13% better in aoe 2% worse st

And its consistent aoe dmg

Unsure after .5

Have to try it. Kinda alright

[sharp gale]

Are fury players mad they will play anger management thane in m+ ?

[unkempt hazel]

this is where I knew u made this up

/s

[sick grotto]

Uhh im not sure i think both am and ra are close?

After changes

[sharp gale]

Close means anger management is the play

[sick grotto]

Like 0.% away

From eachother

[woeful trellis]

🤣🤣 yeah the heal flamed him and I gave advise

[unkempt hazel]

[sharp gale]

Like if bm and mm is 0% close from each other in ST you know bm will destroy MM

[unkempt hazel]

then there's ww

whats aoe anyway

[sharp gale]

« The raid buff »

[unkempt hazel]

they even took the silly mini buffs away

the heal taken and avoidance

i feel ROBBED

[sharp gale]

And brew not designed to do m+ so it needs to be monstrous GIGA OP to be meta

[unkempt hazel]

is brew rly that bad rn

in m+

[sharp gale]

It’s not

[woeful trellis]

It’s like the same with bdruid, if you can play you can go brrrr

[unkempt hazel]

so not me

[sharp gale]

But still have same issue, stagger is balanced towards raid

[unkempt hazel]

love brew in raid but not that much in m+

pwarr feels so safe

[sharp gale]

They need to have a specific group content balance tbh

[lofty veldt]

i just got a ++8 NW and it felt so damn good

smoothest run ive had so far

[steel goblet]

Anyone know how many tanks you need for timewalking brd next week

[jagged pier]

imma guess 2

[normal kelp]

Is there a soft cap of haste we want to be at?

[violet ginkgo]

we can't reach that cap yet don't even think about it.

we will reach some cap at S3 probably.

[orchid gulch]

As much as the robot says is good, but essentially can't have enough of it as of now.

[normal kelp]

So like 30k?

[orchid gulch]

Probably more, currently you can't reach any important cap, and we'll see how stats grow in future patches.

[pallid quiver]

At least 1 and less than 31

[rose thistle]

Hello, how much uptime should i be aiming for, for shield block in m+. I have a feeling mine is quite low and its impacting survivability quite a bit

[jagged pier]

we dont really care about uptime its the effective use you are getting from your shield block which can only be checked in logs

[orchid gulch]

Logs will also tell you what is actually dealing damage to you and if you can somehow prevent or reduce it.

[rose thistle]

Guess ill log my next couple of runs. Was getting absolutely slapped in a 10 NW @ 618il,

[latent hedge]

is there any good resources regarding spell block in m+? Feel like im underutilising it a lot or is it just a case at looking at mdt for abilities/logs when good warriors use it?

[broken mulch]

is there too much haste? or do we not care at all about the DR and just keep stacking it?

[orchid gulch]

They've got a bunch of casters there that might slap you. Solutions are spell reflect. Spell block and shield wall.

There's no such thing as too much haste currently.

[orchid gulch]

There's a WA called spell reflect essentials that got thrown around. It's not perfect, but aside of a few specific mobs that absolutely chunk you with a spell, you can use SR liberally.

[umbral kernel]

Guys I have so much trouble this week because of the orbs affix. Depleted cot 10 two times because of bad timing on last boss. What can I do ( except praying for a better timing )

[native girder]

pray harder broda !

[orchid gulch]

Get better DPS. You can try catching the orbs yourself, but keep in mind that if you move, the boss moves and might run into some balls.

I'd say it's best to let the DPS/healer deal with most of it.

[native girder]

just tell yourself in +12 there is no orb just the enemy's buff

so Get better DPS

[fervent nymph]

Hey all I am new to prot war, at what point does haste starts to have diminishing returns? I am at 30% atm

[blazing condor]

idk if its changed but its usually 40% unbuffed

[inner oracle]

Breath or wyrm? Breath is kinda short range no? But yeah I had that too in NW and also in DB but with a mage sending orbs everywhere 😭

[gritty eagle]

any ides on what to use my crests on? my options: 1. myth cloak (feels bad to use crest on such a weak slot), 2. recraft 619 bracer with embellish to 636 (probably not that much value but could be considered "long term bis"), 3. craft ring 636 and use recraft trick (kinda dont want to since i guess its an exploit), 4. use on sikran trinket (its hero track but high value slot), 5. or just save them for next week (when i can catalyse my myth shoulder and use it on that)

[fervent nymph]

Ok thank you

[dim token]

does anyone know what the purple floating circles do? on the twin boss in COT

[strong forum]

That's where the images are positioned for the explosions and frontals

[hard cipher]

The affixes are pure shit. Wasn't there like at the beginning of the season hook from nw third boss could hit orbs

dunno is it fixed

[strong forum]

Id say no

But I've also not done keys in like 2 weeks

[thorn basalt]

Got these, I'm a fan of pactstone for m+ but generally not sure which ones to stick with, is Larynx good? Wowhead says it's good but that's about raiding and I'm not sure what to make of it

Not like these are gonna last long at 606 but still, as a general idea

[strong forum]

Mark of khadros is the most solid and consistent

[orchid gulch]

They're all okay to use. Mark lines up with CDs, the other do more AOE damage. I'd go with a combination of mark and one of the others.

[swift veldt]

Prot is complety diffrent then any other tank ive played and ive noticed we kinda have no selfheal appart from victory rush in emergencies right? How do you deal with that on higher keys? I mean, is 100% uptime on shieldblock the only thing that can help with not getting - 95% of health on pulls?

[orchid gulch]

We have Last Stand as well.

[thorn basalt]

You do get a bit of leech through talents and enchants, but generally you can use health stones, pots, last stand, victory rush and try to snipe execute kills for resets

Bolstering too

[orchid gulch]

We're mitigation tanks, meaning we take much less damage than other tanks and have access to some of the most broken defensives in the game, like shield block, spell block and shield wall. Just gotta know when to use them preemptively.

Our self healing comes in the form of leech and impending victory with a dash of last stand and, technically, ignore pain.

Don't need to heal damage if you don't take it.

If we screw up our defensives we'll absolutely eat it though.

[thorn basalt]

All of that, and you can (if really needed for some weird reason) talent into Pain and Gain plus Bitter Immunity but I'd advise against that

[woeful trellis]

We are THE proactive tank. So only weakness is start off pull, and some magic dmg(not this patch 😍)
So start with SW if you have nothing already running. And if SW is not up and nothing running, do our opener.
Revenge charge avatar sb tc

[thorn basalt]

Shield Rush grants Shield block so you can absolutely just open with that, love it to start a pull in m+ and start off the momentum

[molten gorge]

💯

[swift veldt]

I guess its just a gid gut problem, i literally started doing keys last reset sooo i think only medicine for that is to play and play over and over untilk i will do things proactively. Thank you guys

[thorn basalt]

I mean we do just take less damage with proper ignore pain and shield block usage but you 100% depend on your healer long term, unlike dk

[gritty eagle]

@swift veldt the basics are pretty much keep shield block up and dump rage on ignore pain to mitigate, be liberal with shield wall

and after that, learn where to spell reflect/block

[thorn basalt]

Yeah unless you absolutely need it at some specific point (like ansurek tank hits or something), don't skimp on the cooldowns, you have them for a reason

[gritty eagle]

also, make sure to face the mobs for blocking

[thorn basalt]

👆🏼

[timid solstice]

90 - 92% uptime

is good ?

[thorn basalt]

You don't need it up when you don't have any mobs left that melee or you're running to the next pack, uptime isn't everything, the measurement would be "hits blocked"

[gritty eagle]

@timid solstice i usually have 95%+ since im running heavy repercussions but it also depends on if you "know" you have it up when you need to so to speak

[thorn basalt]

But yeah you'd want 90+%

pref more

[timid solstice]

ty

what about stats in M+

like crit worth ?

or 4k is enough

[gritty eagle]

i think most ppl in here would say haste >> crit > vers > mastery and that crit/vers have a bit of different strengths but it ultimately doesnt matter much aslong as you go haste >

[sweet summit]

all stats are good

ilvl is most important

[lime mantle]

Haste is BiS for F U N. Math wise; just slap whatever has highest ilvl.

[sweet summit]

jewellery and trinkets are special case by case

[sharp gale]

Just haste gear the rest you can just choose ilvl until you are at a point you can choose

[orchid gulch]

We have no bad stats, but usually haste crit sims best for damage. Versatility is more or less even with crit, and mastery is lagging a bit behind.

Do note that the DR from versa is too little to make a greater impact on your survivability.

TL;DR, ilvl is king, then haste.

[sweet summit]

to add to this; uptime is kinda irrelevant as you might still be hit in the back and thus not block. ideally you look at logs for blocked hits %

[orchid gulch]

Also, for specific items, it is recommended to sim yourself.

[sharp gale]

I tried to mdt sim I think it is not optimized for prot

[sweet summit]

it's not but it's open source so just play around with the apl and fix it

[woeful trellis]

I killed so many bosses the first weeks alone, cause dps / heal died to mechanics. Even +9 ara Kara endboss. If you go gamer mode we don’t need anyone

[sharp gale]

« Just play with the apl » well no thanks I will just copy what others do and will save my time for more fun stuff (turning in circle in Dornogal)

[sweet summit]

[molten gorge]

In 10s and below it's actually crazy how long Warrior can survive on its own ya

That'll go up as we get more and more gear I suppose too

[woeful trellis]

Yeah at least bosses, if you don’t need a dispell or a more ppl mechanic u will survive forever.

[sharp gale]

More ilvl… next week I’ll spend the 90 crests to craft a fury item

[thorn basalt]

oh yeye but in rough fights, you will eventually go down

[sharp gale]

I Will tank in m+ with 2 embellish, crit lining and writhing armor branding…

I hesitate to just make the craft 619 because it’s wrists and save gilded crest for better slot

[orchid gulch]

Embellishments on wrists is fine. Crafted gear is 3 ilvl lower than myth track, so wrists, belt, boots and cloak are preferred to craft embellishments on due to the low stat budget.

619 is also runed crests, 636 is gilded. You'll be just fine.

[sharp gale]

I know armor banding doesn’t scale with ilvl, does vers/crit lining scale ?

[vale karma]

it realistically only matters if you raid mythic no? given that you only have access to 1 639 item per week

[sharp gale]

I only did 636 embellished shield right away i don’t’ know if 619 give less

[orchid gulch]

I think it does. But I haven't really checked.

[orchid gulch]

Crafted runed gear is also 3 ilvl lower than hero track. It matters as much as you want it to matter.

[sharp gale]

Ok because if it doesn’t I would find it insane if someone craft wrists 636 unless they can’t spend anywhere else gilded crests (even hero track)

[vale karma]

I mean crafting 636 weapon and shield for example, given that you might not see the myth track version during entire season (out of the 3 m+ vault slots per week)

hero you can at least deteministcly farm

[orchid gulch]

Hence the preferred part. You're by no means bound to craft it there. I myself picked wrists and belt, buy I'm also rocking a 636 shield currently, so it is kinda whatever.

[sharp gale]

Do you guys think next real patch is which month of next year ?

[orchid gulch]

I'd say long term investments are the low budget slots, since they'll be low budget forever ... and in later seasons you just have to recraft them, shield/ weapon, there may be something like gholak coming around again. Who knows?

[vale karma]

will we keep getting 1 more spark every 2 weeks for the rest of the season?

[orchid gulch]

Dunno. Blizzard does Blizzard time.

[vale karma]

or we get 4 total and that's that

[orchid gulch]

Yup, and new sparks next season. You can craft any item you like eventually.

[sharp gale]

Was this week spark week or is it next week ?

Ovinax makes me forget few things

[orchid gulch]

I think it is next week, but I'm not sure.

I lost track of my sparks after I crafted my shield.

[sharp gale]

I lost track until I joined a guild wanting me to dps

2 sparks for wep hurts

[orchid gulch]

It does, and I have that on my crafting list still as well.

[sharp gale]

Thankfully crafting became really cheap

[orchid gulch]

Might craft a 1h weapon for prot first, though.

[sharp gale]

Compared to first weeks

[orchid gulch]

It's still pricey if you're broke

[sharp gale]

Well 20k full price of my 636 2 handed weapon it was really cheap compared to my shield I crafted first week

[orchid gulch]

When you have 40k gold left is still some kinda cash. Will have to farm some gold or just throw a token at the issue before I craft anything else, I guess.

[sharp gale]

Just don’t forget to ask the dude if you can put r2 mats on the expensive mats, if he says no, well ask someone else

And if you craft a weapon choose the cheapest

[orchid gulch]

The bad news is that my crafter can't do it with r2.

The good news is, that my crafter is I, and I can just conc it free of charge anyways.

The sanctified alloys are expensive though.

[sharp gale]

It is free com in trade chat on my server since few weeks already

[orchid gulch]

Haven't checked on mine, but I don't want to go through the trade chat hassle. It was already a pain and a scam for the diamonds in DF.

[sharp gale]

The most I paid in charge was 9k for the first craft (shield 636) and the rest was free com so I put 2k and 5 k for 2 hands

[orchid gulch]

I just made it myself, so I guess i saved on commission. I can also make the alloys myself, so there's that.

[sharp gale]

And you can make gold with a right click if you need

[ionic nimbus]

I like the patch notes for us. Huge changes: New Icon for Spear

[random hare]

How do we typically choose our crafted gear slot? Do we sim ST Patchwerk for damage or is there some better method since our focus is also defense? If we sim it, what setting would give good results for m+?

[orchid gulch]

Oh yeah, we're actually getting a new icon. Yuge

[orchid gulch]

There's no sim for defensives and we usually sim ST.

[tardy abyss]

Usually you craft the slots that give the least stats as crafted gear only goes up to 636, but in early season weapon becomes attractive because it can be hard to get a myth track weapon early

[jagged pier]

U sim because you have enough survivbility in max dps gear because survivbility comes from play not stats

[random hare]

thank you very much for your replies 🙂

[sharp gale]

Funny we absolutely don’t care about the line just above

« Oh yeah that 3 points talent »

[swift veldt]

Well, i went for double versa embelish for being more tanky now. Is there some point like item level when im supposed to sim it for double crit lining instead? Or whenever i will start to feel comfortable with spec

[jagged pier]

U sim now

But in reality the vers linings wont make u tankier its not enough vers to do anything

Like its not enoigh crit to do anything really

Our top profile uses the vers ones

Cause all pieces are crit and haste so it gains more oit of vers

[ionic nimbus]

Embellishments are kinda weak in tww, just take crit or vers and you r fine…

[sweet summit]

they better add an embellishment that instantly kills a random enemy next season to make up for it

[jagged pier]

Or just a haste one

[sweet summit]

i guess i could settle for that

[lofty warren]

any buffs or nerfs we getting in 10.0.5?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah they buffing or nerfing the champion’s spear icon depends on if you like the new icon better or worse

[lofty warren]

thats sounds visual

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that’s the joke

Also it’s 11.0.5

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-yellow-bird-dancing-moves-grooves-gif-5636786

here my joke

but for real are there any buffs or nerfs in patch?

[toxic pewter]

No changes for prot warr other than the icon change.. warr in general getting slim amount of changes. Prob best to review the patch notes though can see everything.

[lofty warren]

sometimes they touch dps war and also end up touching us too

[toxic pewter]

Oh and the thunderous roar nerf Thunderous Roar now deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets (was 8).

[wintry gate]

any favorite prot streamers yall watch?

[deft mortar]

Bruh

TR is like 5-8% of our overalls

At best

why even

[random hare]

The alch trinket is simming really high in ST compared to the other crafted gear. Do i still go for sth else to get the first vers linings and Stamina? I got swarmlords authority on champion atm and hero ara-egg

[blazing vault]

At 600ilvl running m+ is it worth using catalyst charges for 4set or better to wait to get hero pieces for cata? Currently running m+ in champ gear with 0 set

[cobalt pewter]

Yo warriors! Any one know a guide / video / .txt that tell you every good thing that we can do as protection warrior in mithyc plus? Like GB last boss tentacle that can be clean with spell reflect or first boss of NW where we can intercept also with spell reflect and things like that?

[karmic plinth]

we have the spell reflect sheet pinned but outside of that we dont have a list of things that can be intervened

[toxic pewter]

I would personally run raid again real quick and if no tier I need drops just catalyze the pieces I need. More charges will come and can replace as time goes on

[lofty warren]

at 619 ilvl im getting hit for 80%+ of my HP when beams come out on dawnbreaker first boss in a +10. I have shield block up too and not standing in beam.. how to not get hit for so much?

[ornate thicket]

Spell reflect or spell block or shield wall each beam

[inner oracle]

It’s a magic tank buster, so stack some IP and use a defensive like wall or spell block or spell reflect

[round cliff]

why are none of the other discords as well organized as warrior discord

i get withdrawal when i try to play other classes and look around their discords

[inner oracle]

I’m interested if you find a comprehensive list for intervene, I know it can be useful on Bora sniper and 2nd boss too but I’m sure I miss some interactions :p

[hoary pivot]

You should use a defensive each beam

[tribal wharf]

reflect

[hoary pivot]

There is also no damage afterwards, so as long as you do not die you have time to top yourself

[tribal wharf]

if u press reflect in time, it does zero dmg

[inner oracle]

Are you sure about that? I don’t think we can reflect that, just benefit from magic dmg reduction

[inland raft]

Reflect doesnt work on beam damage. Just the dr portion which at higher keys is not enough on its own

[inner oracle]

Yeah makes sense 👍

[tribal wharf]

yeah, no like.... okay...

beam, when it goes automatically, tank buster

thats probaly what you are being hit by

and THAT portion can be reflected away

[inland raft]

No only thing on that fight that can be reflected is her bolts

[tribal wharf]

mmmmm i think its a deflect but uhhh 1 sec

[ornate thicket]

It will still hit you on higher keys. If on low key probably not noticeable dmg with DR

[inland raft]

Once doing 12/13 eating it with just reflect is dicey

[tribal wharf]

im like 99% positiive on it but there is a 1% chance im wrong

and im willing to admit it could be im wrong

cuz i came in here mad about getting nuked by it and then like a day later i came in and said something like "you can just reflect that shit?'

[waxen frigate]

@tribal wharf have you heard “thick of it” by KSI

[tribal wharf]

I JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES **YA HURR **

[waxen frigate]

@tribal wharf have you heard “thick of it” by KSI

[tribal wharf]

alll the time and every day

[waxen frigate]

It’s every day bro

[orchid gulch]

It's a DR, it can't be deflected completely.

[tribal wharf]

you cant troll me like that 😛 i've seen to many memes to be fooled

[fiery gale]

In m+ do we spend rage on revenge, or does most go to IP and only use revenge procs mostly?

[tribal wharf]

revenge is when you dont have SS or clap and you want to get SS

but you have SB up before that

[wicked pollen]

yogi you can only dr it

[high wyvern]

Raw Revenge is pretty low on priority list. If Shield slam and thunderclap and shield charge and demo shout are all on CDs. And you have enough Ignore Pain stacked. Then sure toss a revenge in

I do sometimes do use revenge to snap aggro when my thunderclap is on CD

[sharp gale]

You can intervene the fixated player on last boss of Mists (you are not fixated instead)

[tribal wharf]

ah shit you really cant reflect it, turns out i was spell blocking it

another or the same key, i spell blocked it, and it only hit for like 350k

[fiery gale]

How do I calculate the effective damage reduction from def CD overlap? Lets say IP together with SW

[wicked pollen]

notevenclose

[grim grotto]

i did my first +9 dornbringer and struggled a bit at Anub'ikkaj with his Terrifying Slam. i know its most physical and some shadow dmg. how u survive this on higher keys? what is ur cd rotation for this?

i mean, i survied , but it felt like 1-2 keys higher and im dead

[strong forum]

You rotate defensive cds for it

Sw - spellblock covers 2 - sw again - last stand - maybe sw again otherwise hold demo for it

And on ultra keys you can probably line up demo + Sr on every single hit if need be

[lime mantle]

You use it before it finishes casting right?
I thought it did no damage if you didn't stay in the death beam

[strong forum]

First boss same deal ye

She does tank slap each time beam starts

Need sw or spellblock up

[sharp gale]

If I remember it’s the higher % first then second higher etc and then asborbs

[lime mantle]

Only done it on like, 7/8 so I never noticed it too much
And only fucked it up once but that's because we had 3 melees including me and the one ranged wanted to hug melee too for some reason 🥲

[sharp gale]

Dps are supposed to bait out the puddles even if they are melees

[gritty eagle]

@grim grotto i dont think you should be taking that much dmg from it assuming shield block and ip is up on a 9 unless your low ilvl? ofc better to line up defensives for it ofc, make sure youre not accidentally exposing your back if your running away from the boss to save your group for example

[grim grotto]

great, thanks. if the 30sec spellblock covers 2. how often does it the slam?

[lime mantle]

They refused to and double stacked it, then instantly died and left.
Was a very fun key.

[grim grotto]

every 25sec?

[grim grotto]

im not asking for 9, im asking for higher keys to get more experience 🙂

[gritty eagle]

@grim grotto y i get that, but i was under the impression you took a lot of dmg from it on 9 and wasnt really sure why

[turbid shuttle]

Melee DPS are never going to run out to bait puddles lol. Just move the boss..

[sharp gale]

I think you did enough time the boss and tried to move the boss to understand puddles are not supposed to be put on boss, too bad others (dps) can’t understand that

[inland raft]

Dps are braindead children who dont understand they lose more dps waiting for the boss to move then the 1 second it takes to walk away and back

[lime mantle]

I did, the issue is that they had two puddles overlapping and instantly died from the damage, not much I can move.

The boss is also hard to move around because the constant casting, but that's a non issue.

[turbid shuttle]

Shield block has nothing to do with it.

[turbid shuttle]

Yea if they die to puddles there's nothing you can do

[terse mango]

when do i use egg on cooldown?

[gritty eagle]

@turbid shuttle physical portion is blockable

no?

[turbid shuttle]

If you run all melee puddles are going to go on the boss. Better to not run all melee, but if you do just be prepared to move her.

[lime mantle]

Quick question;
To practice the jump on the last arakara boss, is going to a follower dungeon and then killing myself after the suck good or it doesn't do the thing on follower dif?

(unrelated to any of this, apologies for the nonsequitur)

[turbid shuttle]

I actually forgot there was a physical portion, but looking at a log real quick the answer appears to be no it is not blockable

[sharp gale]

You can practice in a stranger’s key, you don’t die if are caught just spell reflect/def cd if you fail or run BSV if you are really scared

[gritty eagle]

@turbid shuttle according to sense spell block guide the physical portion is blockable and the magic portion with spell block.. and most of the dmg is physical

[inland raft]

Just jump at .8-1 second on cast, but honestly i dont feel it is really worth

[gritty eagle]

its not really big question anyway so whatever 🙂

[sharp gale]

But for the jump basically you wait the little jump your character makes at around 1-2 seconds and then leap

The little jump is basically you getting grabbed into the center but you are already in the center

[turbid shuttle]

then apparently the guide is wrong, because there are no blocks in these logs

oh wait

found one

[lime mantle]

It was to not brick a rando's key.
And it was more of a "thing I can do now™️" than a strat I'd like to use (I am a coward)

[turbid shuttle]

in my first log... did this guy just turn his back 5/5 times?

oh I see what happened

spell blocks works on both the phys and magic portion

[gritty eagle]

i accidentally turned my back first time i did that key and took tons of dmg... thats hwy i thought of it

[turbid shuttle]

if spell block isn't up you block neither

[gritty eagle]

aha

[turbid shuttle]

if spell block is up you block both

[gritty eagle]

oh

good to know

[sharp gale]

You don’t die unless you are in 10+ (i don’t even know if you die in 10), just cd and spam taunt the boss

[lime mantle]

You do get flatlined on a 8 at 616 don't ask me how I know 🤡

[strong forum]

depends, but looks to be every 25-35seconds

so maybe you cant double Spellblock

but with 35sec you can easily SR and demo shout every single slam

which is already massive DR

SW every 2nd slam

[deft mortar]

probably dps fault

Anything that goes wrong is dps fault in this game

I just pulled 1M hps vs this pack in NW 12 that was doing 2M dps on me lmao

[sharp gale]

Only dps players don’t see it’s always dps fault

[deft mortar]

IPIPIPIPIIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPIPI

[lime mantle]

Funnily enough, yes.
Ret went over to the poodle I was going for and I had to panic wall.

[toxic pewter]

apparently spears dont stack anymore in necrotic wake right

so where are the best spots to use them? I guess just use on bosses

[deft mortar]

no point using them on anything besides bosses

and you can just wait 20 seconds to throw another sspear on the same boss

so u can probably squeeze 2-3 spears on the 3rd boss anyway

[toxic pewter]

hmm interesting

ok

what packs do people pull in necrotic wake first lust pull

people telling to me grab a gatekeeper or some crap now?

[winter harbor]

Got no logs to provide but I have trouble with Shield Block uptime, last example is SoB 8, Shield Block uptime 61% - running Into the Fray and Defender's Aegis, baseline haste is 20%. Should I run Heavy Repercussions and Impenetrable Wall instead?

Felt rage starved in single target

[grim grotto]

my demo shout is 45sec, am i skilled wrong?^^

[lime mantle]

Yes, your haste is too low for ITF iirc

[turbid shuttle]

Gatekeeper is becoming more common at high levels, but I personally haven't bothered yet (timed 12 in pug with 3-4 minutes left).

The Giga pull is the normal big pull plus left gatekeeper. I think people skip the bags for this. So it'd be 4 soldiers + 3 pack with caster + the middle double vanguard pack with the hook thrower + left gatekeeper.

[inner wren]

gatekeeper pulls are goated

if you dont pull gatekeepers youre trolling

[turbid shuttle]

That's a stronger statement than is defensible, but it's for sure worth doing eventually

[toxic pewter]

Don’t think im gonna do it

Not sure the risk is worth it

[deft mortar]

Hmm the jump from 11 to 12 is 21.04% and you loose the dmg buff which probably adds even more of a jump

So that's same as the jump from 12 to 14

[wicked pollen]

a warrior in my 9

[deft mortar]

So 14s have 46.53% more dmg/hp than 11s

[deft mortar]

BSV over the SC talent to the right is insane

He has no bolt wtf

Tbf my talents and gemming and enchants are probably just as shitty

I gem Stam so who am I to speak

[high wyvern]

More health good

[strong forum]

perfectly fine build to play

aside from lack of stormbolt but then picks stormbolt node in hero tree

and lack of 2nd point in attt

[tribal wharf]

the only obvious oversight i see in that build is taking intervene and not storm bolt but taking storm bolt** S**

[wicked pollen]

we just missed the 2 shield wall charges

[median kayak]

at the first boss in dawnbreaker ... when the beams are coming ... im always getting a super huge hit as tank ... am i doing something wrong or is this normal ? (im not standing in a beam but maybe to close ) ?

[tribal wharf]

i think playing the +1 shockwave talent is bad idea

unless col

[shut summit]

it's a tankbuster cast on top of the beam mechanic

so just gotta use CDs

[median kayak]

ahh okay so its normal ^^ ... yeah thats what im doing so far ^^

[lofty veldt]

boys

what's your fave xalath affix so far

[molten gorge]

it's wild to me that people feel the need to play BSV in anything below a 12 tbh

[lofty veldt]

i prefer that orbs that can be stunned tbh

[molten gorge]

but ig if you've been dying from lack of personal stuff, and aren't sure why, easy to just send BSV and then survive

[shell fox]

just timed a 10 and nzoth whispered me

[turbid shuttle]

this is exactly why. if you're still kinda new, and dying a lot, bsv lets you just... not die... and learn without bricking keys

[molten gorge]

you don't learn tho

[turbid shuttle]

why wouldn't you

you still see you procced

[molten gorge]

because you aren't fixing the problem

[turbid shuttle]

you get a signal that you screwed up, and then can go learn from it

[molten gorge]

like if you're dying in a 10 and below you have a fundamental issue most likely

[turbid shuttle]

no shit

the question is: what is the cost of learning about the fundamental issue

in situation 1 you disband gg, in situation 2 you keep playing

[molten gorge]

I feel like if you're taking BSV as a fail safe cause you're shit, you're also probably too shit to realise you proc'd

or why you proc';d

[turbid shuttle]

that's just made up nonsense

everybody who is good now was once shit

[deft mortar]

wish they changed BSV to be like purgatory

But then what would ever kill us

[molten gorge]

that has nothing to do with what I said?

[plush tendon]

eh, its pretty decent for what it is now

Purg on Prot War would be dumb

[molten gorge]

you can be shit and still not take a crutch talent to "improve"

[red dock]

How does that logic make any sense

[turbid shuttle]

it has everything to do with what you said. a player not being good today doesn't mean they can't learn

every single player who is good today was shit before, and learned to be good

[red dock]

Someone taking BSV because theyre bad at the spec also means theyre too bad to improve and learn?

[turbid shuttle]

bsv lets you learn without faceplanting

[molten gorge]

bro if they are dying below a 10 it's such basic fundamental issues

that you cannot be understanding why you died

[red dock]

Kind of irrelevant isnt it?

[turbid shuttle]

"you're too shit to take bsv" is a stupid gatekeeper take

[robust urchin]

Nah bitch i was born baller and i die baller

[molten gorge]

cause more than likely it's gonna be like you let block fall off

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-24293069

[molten gorge]

or, you ate a tank buster

[turbid shuttle]

ok... then they can go figure out that they let block fell off.. or ate a tankbuster

[molten gorge]

or you have not pressed ignore pain at all

[red dock]

How does BSV prevent you from realizing that

[deft mortar]

gawd I wish they never came up with MDT

[turbid shuttle]

this is pure elitist nonsense. born from mediocre players that want to feel superior

[robust urchin]

Microchips and chemicals in the water

[deft mortar]

People keep asking me to llink my route

Bro the route is in my head

[molten gorge]

who's mediocre

[red dock]

Logic ain't logic'ing

[molten gorge]

I use BSV in higher keys, but <10 it's not worth

[robust urchin]

ELITIST NONSENSE

[turbid shuttle]

like does changing their talent out of BSV suddenly change their brain or something?

[molten gorge]

I mean you do you, but I don't think it's helpful

[molten gorge]

changes their talents

[robust urchin]

OI U GOT A LOICENSE FOR THIS NONSENSE

[plush tendon]

you take a output loss in both defense and offense to take BSV

[molten gorge]

and thus the play

[deft mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

[plush tendon]

in lower keys, if you are crutching on BSV, something is fundamentally wrong that should be fixed

[turbid shuttle]

yes, and that fundamental wrong will exist regardless of bsv

[red dock]

Don't think anyone argued otherwise

[turbid shuttle]

the question is: what happens after you fail?

[plush tendon]

they will continue to fail

[turbid shuttle]

do you disbang gg, or do you continue the key?

[molten gorge]

well not necessarily

cause the build is now different

like you play the bolster bsv build say

[turbid shuttle]

bolster bsv is bad

[molten gorge]

and now you don't realise that actually you were dying before because you didn't use shield charge

[deft mortar]

Bro I can get hit by EDNA's slam at 12 and live without popping a defensive

Without BSV

It wouldn't do shit anyway