protection

[sick grotto]

Fireblood go brr

[deft mortar]

And being green

[sharp gale]

Join me in the Gnome club

[winged grail]

What is the silver lining with warrs being able to migate a lot of M+ abilites rn

obv they ignore white meele atks

[deft mortar]

Spell Reflect goes hard

[winged grail]

but thats not super helpful in boss's right?

spell reflect?

[deft mortar]

Intervane goes hard

[jagged gust]

ready and waiting

[tropic tangle]

Spell Reflect is super nice for certain things

[sharp gale]

Red > Green, Garrosh was right

[deft mortar]

We don't take dmg from boss melees basically

[winged grail]

oh

interesting

[deft mortar]

I mean we do

[winged grail]

so dont take dmg from boss autos

which is like what

[deft mortar]

It just doesn't matter

[winged grail]

20% of there dmg?

[tropic tangle]

shield wall has real strong CDR if you're playing correctly

spell block can also negate heavy magic damage things

[winged grail]

spell block also

[jagged gust]

basically yeah, and any physical type tank busters. It's why we run the 80% hp embellish, you expect to be healthy for a majority of the dungeon

[deft mortar]

M10 bosses melee me like 300k through block or less xd

[tropic tangle]

demo shout cycles fast with Thane gameplay

[sharp gale]

Mmmmmh can you explain yourself why mechagnome ?

[jagged gust]

mechagnome currently highest simming DPS race

[deft mortar]

I run Sec Wind and ngl it saved me from 2 wipes so far

[tropic tangle]

and proper play gives you a constantly incoming shield that absorbs some attack damage

[winged grail]

so basically warriors high apm if played to highest lvl, and stand on top bc of the mdmg def cd's druids lack

[deft mortar]

Dawnbreaker pack with miniboss, healer died, all dps died, I survived on second wind until they came back

And pack didn't reset

[tropic tangle]

it just has a pretty variable / strong kit overall

[sharp gale]

It stand on top bc it gives a war buff to meta dps classes

[jagged gust]

Druid still huge, vers is the m+ buff and they're unkillable inside of incarn

[deft mortar]

When fury is S tier prot warr always falls off

[sick grotto]

Fury being s tier is pretty rare tho i feel

[jagged gust]

but no one likes bear meta because boring gameplay

[winged grail]

druid having that op vers buff

and warr buffing meta meele

feel like its more than that but a good thing to add

[deft mortar]

I srsly miss running rogue hunter WW prot warr comp tgo

PHYSICAL

[sharp gale]

And -1000 aura for no transmog

[winged grail]

how long is dh in their demon form?

[sick grotto]

Run enhance, assassination, frost dk

[jagged gust]

I'm running a prot war/rogue/enh sham/ret pal/resto druid comp, be the change you want to see in the world

[sick grotto]

Resist the aug meta

[winged grail]

wdym

[boreal heath]

About 36s

[winged grail]

hmm ik I wanted to do some belf and thats only dh and warr

transmogs super ideal also

[little lance]

what embelish is that the only ones i see used are the ascendance one and one 80% vers one

[sharp gale]

I don’t have a team but I usually play with a hpal friend, I’m waiting the time his lay on hands will give me 15k strength

[winged grail]

I made it to 11s before It basically became r shaman or nothing

think im going to go more casual with alt

[sick grotto]

R shaman or disc priest it feels

[winged grail]

yeah disc made their way into the game

[sick grotto]

Had some good experiences with pug disc

Yee feels kinda nice

[winged grail]

im sure 12s or higher its pwarr druid or maybe dh or nothing

[sick grotto]

Disc players usually sweatlords

Feelsgoodman

[winged grail]

maybe prot pally after update

[deft mortar]

Discis are insanely good ng

Good discis

They overall like 500k as a healer

nobody ever dies

[sharp gale]

I don’t know much about which healer really sucks (except hpriest)

[winged grail]

500k?

[sick grotto]

On the tougher pulls they seem to get close to 900k hps

[winged grail]

yeah I float around 750k-1m on prev evoker

[sick grotto]

Decent dmg as well seen like 400k dmg overall

[sharp gale]

He Means dps

[winged grail]

but requires party to know to group and good scenarios

[sick grotto]

O

[winged grail]

basically useless when party spreads

as prev evoker

rough at end of mist/ara

[sick grotto]

Yeah my mate was not liking pres a casual group i run with is pretty lax about stacking up tighter

[winged grail]

ig prot warrs and druids both share the need for rage huh

lvling a prot war to lvl40ish was pretty miserable being new and needing rage for openers

[sharp gale]

Wdym every tank it’s builder/spender

[jagged gust]

it's more that prot war has a rage build/spend cycle that needs to be played well to maintain

[winged grail]

prot pally uses mana no?

[jagged gust]

holy power

[winged grail]

ah

[sharp gale]

Rage is just the name code of builder/spender

[jagged gust]

you build it to 5 stacks then blow it, builder/spender

[sharp gale]

It works exactly the same

[winged grail]

How are we at max lvl, say for example the first massive pull in nw

pop a cd for rage or something

[jagged gust]

someone else commented on the opener, you pop several abilities simultaneously and then spam IP because your rage gen is off the charts

[sharp gale]

The gatekeeper pull ?

[sick grotto]

The gatekeeper pull is a heal check tbh

Not a tank check

[winged grail]

I dont think bdk's can do it last time I checked

[sharp gale]

You just track the tank buster ability and press cd,

[sick grotto]

They can

[sharp gale]

Everyone can do it

[winged grail]

at higher keys

I mean

[sick grotto]

Na seen bdk do on 12s

[sharp gale]

Bdk just needs to not synchronize all tank busters

[winged grail]

well

[sick grotto]

Massive first nw pull

[winged grail]

higher thans 12s lol

12s pretty standard for consistent pushers

[sharp gale]

Consistent pushers ?

[jagged gust]

a BDK never has to worry about magic damage

[winged grail]

interesting

[sharp gale]

It’s physical dmg the gatekeeper pull

[winged grail]

so warr would be the most ideal tbh

the way it sounds

[jagged gust]

The big group aoe the gatekeeper does is phys? That makes zero sense blizz

[winged grail]

druid Ig gets a lot of armor from stacking ironfur or w/e its called

do wars have lust or brez?

[sharp gale]

We are talking about tanks, the tank busters of the pull is physical dmg

Not the gatekeeper itself lol

It’s 1 mob of 20

[winged grail]

how hard is it to maintain ignore white meele atks 100% upkeep

from the very start

[warm plinth]

You won't have IP up 100% of the time

[winged grail]

is that what does it

ignore pain?

[sick grotto]

Depends on pull and dots

[warm plinth]

I assumed it was what you were talking about

Since you said maintain ignore

[sharp gale]

Some attacks instant pop 3 m Ignore Pain

[warm plinth]

Shield Block can be maintained pretty easily as long as you're doing your rotation properly.

[winged grail]

I dont know names mybad

the one that ignores white meele atks

unless we have more than 1`

[jagged gust]

Shield block you must mean

whoops

wrong @

[sick grotto]

With enough debuffs from forgemasters in stonevault your whole health bar and ip in can dissapear in a second

[winged grail]

oh wow bitter immunity

thats op

[sick grotto]

I wouldnt know tho

[winged grail]

can dbl it up with dwarf

[jagged gust]

anyways maintaining shield block (SB) is very easy, with current gear we spec in to Heavy Repercussions (HR) which makes every Shield Slam (SS) add a second on to the SB timer

[sharp gale]

Bitter immunity

[winged grail]

so basically close to 100% upkeep for ignore all meele atks

[jagged gust]

not basically

100% uptime

[winged grail]

so pwarrs take like 30% less overalldmg than any other tank in the game

[jagged gust]

as long as you're pressing SB and SS

Other tanks have different ways of mitigation

[sharp gale]

Every tank has a « mini game » they do, but it specialize prot as a good physical dmg tank

[soft mason]

Does Spell Reflect reduce the damage of the first boss of Dawnbreaker's big tankbuster?

[winged grail]

how would you rate warrior if ungeared in early M+ keys

[sharp gale]

What is un gear

560 ilvl fresh 80 ?

[winged grail]

mmm

I know for instance bdks were runing 10s at like 605

which was insane to me

[jagged gust]

That's people who play well, playing well

It's not the class

[winged grail]

yeah seems like theyre really ideal in lower keys

like 10 and below

idk how ig the question would be

idiot proof prot wars are

with those disgusting pugs you have to suffer through lol

[sharp gale]

Bdk scale without gear on dmg taken until they get one shot, and any dude can tank a 10 in 605, it’s not ungear

[winged grail]

I heard druid/bdk can be pretty self sustaining

[jagged gust]

Heroic raid was being cleared in 585 gear, it's just a skill expression at that point

[winged grail]

ive seen a prot warr solo in a 11 easily but idk about lower

we wiped and he was standing fighting until we got back

never took dmg

[jagged gust]

Druid/DH/BDK all self heal to different degrees, it's part of their kit

[winged grail]

might have been a meele atk's mob

is impending victory in our end game kit

[jagged gust]

without a doubt

[winged grail]

or basically we're not super self healing

[sharp gale]

But prot no heal

[winged grail]

whats our party just wiped and ill solo the boss from 10% factor

[jagged gust]

prot self heals, just not to those degrees, we simply proactively mitigate incoming damage before we take it instead

[sharp gale]

We don’t self heal, we self absorb dmg, so basically if your hp starts to go under 80% consider impeding victory and pray it will resolve the issue

[jagged gust]

I solo'd final boss of Arakara on an 8 last week, not a huge achieve but we still have enough self healing to deal with the heal absorb affix and solo a boss

[winged grail]

ig it would be said that prot warr best tank with a good team

druid/dh/bdk would be more idiot proof

idk if you guys did 2-7 keys lately but theyre pretty rough

[jagged gust]

here's the key

pull small

like really small

Timers are so forgiving this season

as long as no one is dying you can easily 2* a key with mostly solo pulls

[sharp gale]

I did a +7 key on my Hunter today (Wednesday)

[jagged gust]

I carried a 560 enh shaman and a 590 sin rogue through a timed 8 SoB, all they had to do was not die

[winged grail]

yeah sounds smart, I was just trying to wrap my head around the current druid/pwarr meta

and the diff between the two

ignore all meele atks and more mdmg defense

[lone current]

Yeah don't get baited by the spell reflect weakaura on that one in higher keys, make sure you have it up to help mitigate the damage before every beam, it starts to truck as the key level goes up.

[winged grail]

and im still not sure why druid is doing so well tbh

other than just being overtuned or in a good spot

[sharp gale]

Yes it does

[jagged gust]

Nomer got his BSV popped through 3 stacks of IP, SW and demo shout in a 12 by it

[sharp gale]

But at higher key it’s not enough

[jagged gust]

Like yeesh

[winged grail]

the inital beam dmg?

[sharp gale]

Yes the tank buster

[winged grail]

yeah thats rough

[jagged gust]

the boss hits the tank with a big tank buster before the beam goes off

[winged grail]

yeah ik, I normally save my cds for the tank there

[lone current]

oooof

[winged grail]

I just dont understand how druids

are getting through this withou mdmg defs

like a 16 rn on dawnbreaker

[jagged gust]

druids have like 6 different abilities that say reduce damage by 20ish %

and an insane amount of self heal

[winged grail]

why would you pick a druid over a pwarr though

oh self heal

ig that 3% vers is pretty huge when min maxing

[jagged gust]

they have impending victory on steroids, but not sure how after the wildfire feels this season

[winged grail]

you would think that factor goes away

in higher keys

when dmg def becomes more of a issue

ik a lot of things in even 11s one shot

[sharp gale]

Buffs is not min maxing, it’s the reason you want a bear, a dh or a prot war

[winged grail]

wow thats a wild take

not saying it isnt true

[jagged gust]

buff stacking is a huge part of m+

[winged grail]

I feel like pwarr and druids have the best buffs for sure but a bdk isnt pushing a 16 or anything like that buff or not

[sharp gale]

Dh tank in DF

[sick grotto]

3% vers is pretty big when most stuff is a can i live this check

[grim pilot]

take out old arcane int, vers & old dh buff and sp was doing already a lot less damage than in godcomp

[jagged gust]

It's why druid+mage+SP+aug+DH goes so hard, you've got so many multipliers going off simultaneously

[winged grail]

yeah 3% is huge

[sick sentinel]

guys, we send demolish on CD right? we don't care about colossal might stacks or syncing it with anything?

[grim pilot]

boomie

[winged grail]

I got a druid healer irl friend, who you think pairs best with that

prob obv pwarr

[grim pilot]

nothing

[winged grail]

LOL

ikr

class is in shambles rn

[jagged gust]

3+ stacks is the only mention I've ever heard about waiting to send it

[grim pilot]

spec

not class

[winged grail]

true

[sick sentinel]

we wait for 3 stacks before we send it you mean?

[grim pilot]

feral is good in raid, boomie is insane in keys, guardian is top tier in keys

[winged grail]

pwar prob makes it the most realistic then huh

being able to migate most things

up to 11s

[grim pilot]

up to 11's

it doesnt matter

[winged grail]

nice

[grim pilot]

at all

[winged grail]

nice

[sharp gale]

You can play bm Hunter « up to 11s »

[winged grail]

Just level of stress I want to keep at a min, I was playing bdk but I dont feel like going insane to stay alive

[jagged gust]

yeah, 3 stacks of might, basically just get through your opener before ripping it on pull, afterwards you should normally always have enough stacks to send it on CD

[winged grail]

this is a alt

and my main is alr sweaty

[sick sentinel]

is there a reason why it's 3 stacks?

does anyone else know

[jagged gust]

That's what the robot says

[sick sentinel]

where

the APL says 3 stacks you mean?

in the guides it legit just says rip it

[jagged gust]

It's possible the apl has changed since I last checked, but that was what I last heard from the wowhead author

[sharp gale]

Do you keep 10 stacks for next pack as colossus ? ( I never played it in m+, only raid)

[sick sentinel]

that's just the opener tho

is there ever a case where we have less than 3 outside of opener

I actually don't know

hmm

[jagged gust]

Yeah, you'll naturally have 10 stacks for your next cast afterwards

[south zealot]

you do heal with leech and indomitable though

[sharp gale]

You don’t care about the rest since after it is always 10 stack

[sharp gale]

Yes but someone compared it to bdk/vdh/druid heal it’s not leech and idomitable that keeps your alive (mainly)

It’s 1/3 leech and indomitable on the only log I have of a +11

God forbid me

Sikran hm

[marsh stone]

Jeebers, what's your ilvl?

There's a bit of rng movement in that fight but still those dps...

I did about that last night as arms lolol

No idea how you do it as prot with no cleave/aoe

[storm willow]

Is there any way to do decent parse as a Mountain Thane?

or is that not viable?

[marsh stone]

lol selfish but I guess

[deft mortar]

gonna do SoB 12 tommorow

Will be my first 12

hoping it goes well

Wanna time all 12s this week

just 1.2x everything

and a little bit more on base

[jagged gust]

now that's bold

[deft mortar]

Already have almost all 11s timed tho

[jagged gust]

I couldn't time a 10 NW last week, surgeon ended us

[wet atlas]

Is Refracting Aggression Module any good for keys?

[deft mortar]

its shit

[wet atlas]

yea

[deft mortar]

only good thing about it is that it gives strength

think about it, its like 1.5x IP every 1 min

You spam like IP every 2 seconds

Its ok

I got forced into Mythic track Refrac

because atleast it unlocks trinket upgrades for valor only

somehow I managed to get 2 slots I already have mythic on

and refrac

[jagged gust]

mandate absolutely slaps, you should feel good about that

Some trinkets sim better for overall, but for prio damage it fucking melts

[smoky anvil]

I need to make a “use mandate you dingus” WA

My usage is poor

I typically try to use on cd and will work around mobs if it’s feasible to do so.

But am still bad with it

[jagged gust]

pretty much ^ CDR is good, but it being on CD is also technically CDR

you can also save it for prio targets like totems in SV

[smoky anvil]

It’s nice for prio targets for sure

And can deal a mighty YEET on the “kill foot mommy clone” affix

[jagged gust]

chat how do I do less cleave damage so goth mommy sticks around longer?

[shell fox]

disabled violent outburst

to put battle scarred veteran

seems worth for me. it is?

[urban portal]

no

much better other things to drop than that

[south zealot]

bi

no

if you want bsv drop shield charge and champions bulwark for bolster and bsv or ravager for bsv

[jagged gust]

VO doesn't read like that much, but it's important to your rage cycling

[shadow wagon]

is 1h ascendance weapon a viable craft if we don't touch the raid?

[shell fox]

what im changing?

[jagged gust]

whats your goal? The recommended talent would be to swap BSV for VO, alternatively if you want BSV you drop SC and it's capstone for BSV and Bolster

[red dock]

Is there a major difference in survival between mast/vers/crit

About to craft shield, theyre pretty similar DPS wise so unsure what second stat to put on

[jagged gust]

As long as it has haste

[red dock]

M+ is all I play

ok

I crafted vers on the other two so might as well do that again I guess

[jagged gust]

Generally crit > vers > Mastery

[red dock]

crit it is

ty

[jagged gust]

But you shouldn't be thinking about defensives at all when it comes to secondaries

sim for DPS

[sick grotto]

Even drop indom before outburst

[red dock]

Right I did, they were basically the same

[sick grotto]

But yeh as others have said plenty of things to drop before it

[south zealot]

if you want bsv drop shield charge and champions bulwark for bolster and bsv or ravager for bsv

[south zealot]

crit and vers are better than mastery for survivability

crit and vers are even bc they do different things

crit gives parry which is great against melees (most damage you take) vers reduces less damage but reduces 'scarier' damage like magic/dot effects

you want some of both

[jagged gust]

the good news is they all do damage

[south zealot]

yeah and thats why you dont want 0 mastery

some of each stat, haste you want the most then crit vers doesnt really matter than mastery last (but you still want some)

[next plaza]

Is the minor amount of crit damage from the gem better than the movement speed? Is there a point where I should just stick with crit/haste gems instead of trying to get all the colors?

[jagged gust]

Gotta go fast

[next plaza]

I am speed

[jagged gust]

but no, they're both quite dull, you can stack haste/crit and feel good about it

Personally I really like the speed stat

[next plaza]

even at full roll its only like 1.05% bonus crit right?

crit damage*

[urban portal]

yeah its not very high

[jagged gust]

I never did test how it actually works, but sims say it's quite negligible

[deft mortar]

I gem full stamina

Fuck it Ima get season title while gemming full stamina

And no embellish

[jagged gust]

I once went full stam gems/enchants just to break 1mil HP unbuffed in S2

[next plaza]

!remindme

[jagged gust]

such a meme but it felt good

[lone current]

full stam gems and full stam talents will give you the biggest ignore pains wow has ever seen 😂

[deft mortar]

I have full Stam talents

Including the 5% Thane one

I have 2× 554 Stamina trinkets from Timewalking that I don't equip

With those equipped I am ~11.5M unbuffed

Highest I've seen with CDs was 25M

This was priest buff, laststand, rally, Frontline pot, Resto shaman on me

It's a very relaxed 10-15 seconds

I know I ain't dying

[red dock]

If you have 100% SB uptime without SC is it worth taking?

Or is that not really doable

[deft mortar]

SC + the SC buff talent almost gives you 1 rage per sec

Then it gives you a free Revenge and a free SB

And then it gives you spike aggro

And like 3% overall?

Shits mad

[crude linden]

Is there a good like YouTube guide for prot warrior that goes indepth on defensives, what's reflectable, etc? Just picking up the class and spec after having to role swap due to our tank getting hit my the hurricane and dropping for the foreseeable future. First time really tanking as well. I didn't see a "resource " channel but maybe I missed it? I prefer video to reading if possible.

[deft mortar]

There is a spell reflect weak aura

That I think highlights the castof reflectables/deflectables

[crude linden]

Oh nice! I'll look that up!

[jagged gust]

Always best to check out the SR doc, sometimes there are things that can be SR'd but aren't worth it compared to something else

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

[molten pollen]

Hey, i have a question for Queen Heroic fight, how do you survive the liquify?

[jagged gust]

but as the dungeons rotate, guides would get outdated, and afaik nobody keeps a rolling guide video per season for prot war specifically

[molten pollen]

anyone know?

[jagged gust]

are you spell blocking?

[molten pollen]

im doing the fight tomorrow

[molten pollen]

so when shes on you and she* about to do it you spell block/spell reflec?

[jagged gust]

Yep, they share the same timer too so they'll always overlap

[lucid topaz]

Tbh demo shout takes away 25% of the damage too, might help

[molten pollen]

so im guessing Spell reflec/spell block + demo shout + like shield wall or just spell reflec lol

[jagged gust]

Shield wall will also be up for every cast, twice over really

[molten pollen]

do you spell reflec only when its on you or

when you taunt swap also

you just hold everything for that im guessing

[jagged gust]

Flat DR for the dot, why not?

[molten pollen]

and im guessing spell blocking doesnt like fully stop the dmg right?

[jagged gust]

nope, just lets you use your block modifier on the spell damage

[molten pollen]

like is it spell reflec or spell block

sry for the questions xd

[jagged gust]

technically spell block doesn't have a cap, so you can 100% mitigate damage on a critical block with enough mastery block rating?

[molten pollen]

oki

thx you

[sick grotto]

I use both sr and sb early demo shield wall

[molten pollen]

oh really ok

[gentle citrus]

If I get two higher item level shields, can I upgrade my weapon for no crests or does it not work that way with off hands/shields

[sick grotto]

If u early demoralising its up for all liqs

[molten pollen]

how early

[sick grotto]

2nd-3rd gcd on pull

To catch all

[molten pollen]

2-3?

[sick grotto]

Yeah 2nd or 3rd gcd

Any later it will miss 2nd liq

[molten pollen]

like what do you mean by that ?

[sick grotto]

Gcd = global cooldown.

Skills like shield slam or thunderclap use a gcd

For example

[molten pollen]

kk yeah sry so you like shield wall then demo

i guess

[winged grail]

anyone got a good lvl1-80 guide for alt?

[sick grotto]

Usually i pre-pull spell block >>>>> charge > avatar > shield charge (gcd)> shield slam ( gcd) > ravager (gcd) > demoralising (gcd) > chammpion spear (gcd)

You can cut the ss out its tight 4th gcd should still be good

[molten pollen]

right and it aligns with all the stuff 🤔 but does she do liquify right off the bat?

[sick grotto]

Yes

[molten pollen]

oh really

k

[sick grotto]

end of demo will catch liq

[molten pollen]

i did this fight on dps before

so

[sick grotto]

Same with pre-pull spellblock

[molten pollen]

kk thx u very much ^^

[sick grotto]

No worries and if ur lusting on pull got decent haste shield wall will be up for 1st and 2nd believe also up for 3rd

If u have the ss talent

Can be a bit iffy on 2nd liq if you unluck ss procs

[molten pollen]

if i have the 2 charges talent

ill be fine ?

[sick grotto]

I dont run it. But it will gurantee 1st and 2nd wont be up for 3rd

[molten pollen]

kk

ill run ss then

[dim girder]

Hello! Besides Shield and Sword, whats a good part of your gear to craft?

[jagged gust]

wrist/cloak

if you're looking for a place to put embellishes

[dim girder]

Thanx my guy!

[queen hemlock]

hey peeps, got a myth voidpact stone with leech in vault
but i have like every fucking trinket out there except swarmguard on heroic
it simmed to be higher dps but idk would really like to have some opinions

[lapis raptor]

is there a spreadsheet for dungeon spells that can be negated with intervene or does intervene work on any spell that spell reflect works on?

[ionic fern]

It's...iffy,like most reflectable/blockable abilities.

No spreadsheet tho.

[toxic pewter]

Dracthyr warrior actually looks pretty cool

May roll one

[onyx vessel]

Pay the race change

[white garden]

almost all my toons will be Dracthyr lol

[sick grotto]

Ez money for blizz gottem

[white garden]

true

[sick grotto]

Chrissy paycheck

[toxic pewter]

Feel like racials actually solid, 2% mastery, knockback, can glide/double jump

[onyx vessel]

Level one up

[toxic pewter]

Not sure I’ll pay for race change to one

[novel temple]

I didn't see anything in the pins about vault besides what spec to open it as, so I opened it as prot and got this
And this is my armory https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/illidan/Rollyson

[sick grotto]

I like fireblood on my dwarf tho. A mini transmitter

And gets rid of them nasties

[violet ginkgo]

So what are you confused about? So far the duelist dancing steel and spare meat hook seems nice

[novel temple]

Is spare meat hook still good?

I thought other trinkets were better now?

I’ve got champion legs so I’m mostly torn between legs and weapon

[ionic fern]

Hook is still fine,just not the best.

[novel temple]

But weapon just seals the deal on gear

[sick grotto]

Really depends on what your crafted items are going to be

If your going to craft a weap

[novel temple]

Probably a shield, and something else

[sick grotto]

And punch to 619/636

[novel temple]

Probably not crafting a weapon

Maybe bracers will be the crafter piece

[ionic fern]

Grab the weapon.

Wait,what weapon do you have right now?

[violet ginkgo]

He got champion track ansurek axe mwahi

[ionic fern]

Weapooooon.

[violet ginkgo]

At least from the armory his axe still 610 but there is no “heroic” label, so must be champion track.

[novel temple]

It do be champion track queen axe

[onyx vessel]

Caps out at 619 for champ and 626 for hero

[violet ginkgo]

Weapon time it is.

[ionic nimbus]

You‘re not raiding mythic? Unless you already got mythic weapon/Shield from Vault, craft it. Like every Season except of coin/bullion seasons

[peak mauve]

Morning, could someone look over this log and help my why i did die at 10:27?
Or how I could avoided it?
Last Stand and Shield Wall was on CD, was the pack before the 2nd Boss in Boralus, i struggle everytime
My first guess would have been Spell Block + getting Shield Wall before the pull because of the Cursed Slash but idk, not that good at log analysis

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AyYLHaMGtVDC8rhx#fight=last&type=deaths

[tender reef]

Hi really hard to tell like that, but I think I can help you

You see the 3000 wasted rage there ?

That number should be 0 or 5 or 10.

Not 100 and even less 3000

So if you use that rage you wouldn't have died

[peak mauve]

mhhh ok, yeah i think sometimes i overcap and seeing that log by a fucking lot 😄

[tender reef]

I got IP and SB on mouse wheel up and down

Maybe that helps

When u got above 80rage fill up ip

If you spam SS like crazy

Pump up ip and sb

[peak mauve]

yeah with the macro, sometimes it goes out smoothly but i think i need to practice it more

[tender reef]

Yeah rage overcapping is really not good, maybe skill in the 30 extra rage points. If 2 skill points mean you don't lose 3k rage it's worth it

[peak mauve]

Will check it out, thx !

[tender reef]

Here too, revenge being all the way down there means you don't spend your rage

[lone current]

you can reflect the cursed slash as well i think, it gives you a dmg amp

[tender reef]

And that's a great idea too, check what you can reflect (kicking is also very nice)

[lone current]

also dont forget to rip shockwave too, to help stabilize yourself in pulls while they're stunned

[peak mauve]

okay, still much to learn i guess 😄

[tender reef]

Prot warri is way too not easy imho

And somehow became meta

[peak mauve]

yeah the balance between IP and spending rage offensively is kinda hard at the "beginning"

[tender reef]

Well for you right now is just spend it at all

And more revenge

[peak mauve]

and while im in noob mode, does IP needs to be up all the time like sb?

[sick grotto]

Its not too bad once you figure out the flows and rules of the spec revenge is mainly used to reset shield slam when clap and shield slam on cd. Ignore pain generally used to avoid overcapping but not leaving yourself dry to revenge if needed

[tender reef]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RpNfFPWx94MCJzTD#fight=4&type=summary

I did a siege yesterday too, maybe check it out to double check. (Not claiming to be very good) I suck at CDs

I also died to cursed slash

[lone current]

The main rule of thumb is if you're at 70+ rage, push ignore pain. Shield block is the one we ideally want as close to 100% uptime on

[tender reef]

I probably died to the same you did lmao

[white garden]

So is it bad to macro IP into SS?

[tender reef]

Not bad but not good

[sick grotto]

At the high end yeah its not good

[tender reef]

9+ I guess you shoulndt

[sick grotto]

It mayb ok to get started but it breeds bad habits

[white garden]

ok so 10s considered high end?

lol

[tender reef]

Yeah

They are

[white garden]

i mean im slamming 10s but some bosses rough

i was 627 furrry before swapping to prot though

so ilvl helps

xD

[tender reef]

Truuu

[sick grotto]

Getting a good shield should help a lot

10s for me bosses arent a issue and mostly self sufficient on all dungeon bosses

Im slightly lower ilvl

[lone current]

yeah you wanna do that the other way around, ignore pain has SS in it. So that when you press ignore pain, if a shield slam reset procs at the same time, you insta cast it

[white garden]

ye i was furry, accidently rolled my vault prot and got Dawnbreaker wep Mythic track so i just made a shield 619 lol and started tanking

[white garden]

gotcha ok

[sick grotto]

Getting it to 636 or 639 shield will be a pretty big difference

[white garden]

yeah just wanted my M Tier upgraded first but will do that soon

50 more crests

[peak mauve]

thx 4 the heads up btw. will try to improve my rage waste 😄

[tender reef]

That will already make you so much btter

3000 is alot

[sick grotto]

Yeah its just a fine balance just keep your rage not full and not empty and your on the right track

[peak mauve]

yeah i was not aware of how fucking much i wasted

[tender reef]

And yeah if it's an issue just skill th extra rage, no shame in it and if it makes your waste from 3k to 5 it's more worth than any other skill points

[sick grotto]

Yeah and like kenny said matters alot fuels idom, outburst and avatar

[peak mauve]

well i try to learn it to get better, i mean its probably going to solve it right now but doesnt help me in the long run

[sick grotto]

Its alot

Even if your capped ip press it

[ocean nova]

Bad sometimes you are not taking damage and would be better to dump into revenge

[tender reef]

If it solves z right now good, just learn to get a feel for your rage bar.

If the issue is gone you can put those 2 ponts elsewhere and have another power spike

Win win

Nothing lost

You can also make an annoying WA with a sound when your rage bar goes to 85/90/95/99/100

Increasingly annoying

[peak mauve]

thats probably a really good idea because i dont look at it 24/7

[tender reef]

At 100 you get a slap on the balls

Or whole Monitor goes red the more rage you have, fml I'd pay for that

[peak mauve]

😄

[tender reef]

Good luck and enjoy

[woeful trellis]

For this ? 😏

[tender reef]

Running 10er is already good

[tender reef]

Depends on who would do it, but then I'd always be at 100 Or dead

[white garden]

kinda starting Prot in 8-10s is following Murloc IO build smart?

[tender reef]

Nomeratur is best build

[white garden]

that a website?

[tender reef]

Wow head

Prot warri guide

Secret imba build

Don't tell anyone

[sick grotto]

Ya only thing to note from nomer build is i dont think bsv is default. If your learning i personally dont think running bsv is not too bad its a good value point imo

[tender reef]

BSV?

Battle dared veteran ?

[sick grotto]

Battle scarred vet

[tender reef]

Ahh ya

[white garden]

i mean i get advertising for wowhead but majority people playing certain spec a certain way would be better no? lol

[tender reef]

From 10+ I run it

[tender reef]

There's a lot of losers who do that yes, why listen to them

Also of you play in a team with a special group a special dungeon etc

Then yeah do your thaaaang

If it works it works

But for "I wanna get started" start with the basics

[white garden]

fair enough

[tender reef]

Good luck 🍀

[white garden]

maybe a dumb question but do you even hard press rend?

[sick grotto]

Nope

Unbind it

[white garden]

k just making sure

i dont have binded xD

[sick grotto]

Its applied with thunderclap

[white garden]

just verifying lol

[sick grotto]

[white garden]

main diff tbh from that and murloc is Take away piercing chall for Honed refelx and take ravager aaway for BSV

so offence vs def ig?

[sick grotto]

Well if you die in high keys your run is cooked and your group wipes

Its a balance

[white garden]

true ye

[spark lichen]

@strong forum ok so i used your WA, you've probably heard this already, but i really dislike how shield block and ignore pain are so not obvious to peripheral vision
with luxthos, it's a blue and red bar, so if i don't see blue/red then i know i'm missing something. with yours, i need to look for white text or a buff icon

[strong forum]

That's the first time I heard about that, I'm personally not a fan of having too many bar weakauras. 2 is my limit. I prefer the Buff Icons 👍 thx for the feedback tho

[tender reef]

I think is fair and you should try how you play better yourself, I don't have honed I don't think the 5% would help me out a lot, but maybe they would. Not that easy to test.
But still you can ask nomeratur too why he goose not too take it.

And the guide is for "basic" players of course in the high keys, yes 9 and up you can make changes depending on dungeon and team comp.

But for that you need the knowledge to do so, and for that you start with the basics

Imho

[white garden]

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback

[tender reef]

I also don't use nomers build 😅😅 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RpNfFPWx94MCJzTD#fight=4&type=summary

It's a log from yesterday you can check my talents if you want it's also a "selfmade" build, is it the best? No but best for me to play thane (I prefer collos but my GS too low for 9/10/11 in collos) in 8 Iam amazing

(I really like the 5 move speed and I never use intervene) 😵😵 don't tell anyone

[white garden]

Can count on one hand how many times Iv pressed intervene and I do 10s lol

[tender reef]

I just don't have time for it, in 10s I have to do my best to either not die / not lose aggro / kick / use CDs / do dmg / make calls

It's a lil much ngl

When I focus NOT on not dying and do calls or mechanics, I'm rage starved drop IP or SB etc then I need CDs to not die

[white garden]

My biggest struggle on 10s is boss dmg and learning the certain abilities that spell block immune from

[tender reef]

Bosses are the easiest for me lol

Tbf I still know all the ones from the old dungeon

But yeah I struggle harder in pulls

[white garden]

So like 10 SV on the double boss I died 2 times before realizing the ability fucking me was spell block able lol

[tender reef]

The one that should be kicked ?

I don't like SV lol

[white garden]

Nah it’s from the. Ig guy forgot the name

Not at cp to look

[sick grotto]

Sv has to be the worst and i still need skarm shard

Fuck i hate the forgemaster pack

Guess im kiting

[tender reef]

I use reflect and spell block way to rare you can see it in the log I posted u

[white garden]

Igneous Hammer

[soft mason]

What is the Nomeratur build? Just the WoWhead one?

[tender reef]

I use it more as emergency defensive than as an actual let's do it

[tender reef]

What do you mean just it's like 50 pages

It's got everything

[granite pebble]

I main resto dru. Raid lead just asked me to tank on my prot warr tonight we’re starting mythic

Been tanking keys 7-9 but pretty new still!

Anyone got any raid hot tips for a nub?? 😅

[white garden]

Yea so Igneous hammer on the boss in SV does like 80% my health through cd but is completely blockable lol

[tender reef]

Yes, talk to the other tank on how you wanna do it as a team

He can also tell you the strats

Take an hour to talk about whole raid

And make notes

For each boss

[sick grotto]

If your running heroic is pretty cruisy tanking. Big ones to note is probs brood and ansurek and a bit of court

[white garden]

Almost all the rest are soloable

[tender reef]

Let him "main tank" and tell him to make calls

[sick grotto]

As kenny said run through with cotank. Im a bit of a sweat and love boss positioning so i take all feasts on ansurek for example

[frigid plank]

are Earthen a solid (hah) choice for Prot Warr?

[granite pebble]

Thanks team. We have good history so I’ll chat with him. Conveniently RL is the other tank

Any prot warr specific tips??

[sick grotto]

Not really its similar to dungeons there was a sheet floating around of the spellblockable stuff.

[tender reef]

Go as nomeraturs raid collosuss

[sick grotto]

Execute raid single target build is nice if your comfy with survivability

Or u can run punish to be more defenisve

Or colossus if thats your thing

[tender reef]

It's his raidsleader fault if he dies

Go full dmg and spam execte

[granite pebble]

Never used colossus. Only been a thunder simp in keys so far. Can I stick to that or is colossus sort of needed? Guides on methodgg take colossus for raid build

[tender reef]

They want you tanking ?!?! Go 1 place dps and tell your raidlead that the team has to step up

Yas

[sick grotto]

I personally run thane its great i usually perform better than colossus warriors

[tender reef]

Let's go lamby we que in NHC queen only today

[sick grotto]

Ayy

[tender reef]

Just kidding I can't today, on the WE I have time though

[sick grotto]

Haha righto im oce tho

Feelsbadman

[tender reef]

On an island

?

What time is it for you ?

It's 9am here

[sick grotto]

Err 5pm

[tender reef]

Sheeeeesh

[sick grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/lambehh

Does wcl put you up against colossus users?

[tender reef]

Sheeeeeesh

[sick grotto]

Or is it thane only

[tender reef]

You def beat me

I admit defeat

[sick grotto]

Heh

[tender reef]

I think it's just prot so yeah should be both

But damn those are nice numbers

[sick grotto]

Still cant find mythic guild tho

[tender reef]

You carry your whole guild

[sick grotto]

[tender reef]

Idk wiping 3 hours 3 times a week, sounds way cooler when you watch the TikTok version of it

I thought about it, but then I blasted through normal in about 3 hours in the first week, and lost all interest in the raid this season

I just don't "feel" it this time. Maybe next

[sick grotto]

Eh i havent done mythic tbh

And first season tanking in wow

Yeah its weird tier

[tender reef]

It's all about the effort you put in, but mythic is harsh.

As it should be, I just don't like the "dying till you make it" team wipe meta

Most players raid mythic like once or twice till they wipe on the same boss for 2 months 9-12 hours a week

It kills you lol

[sick grotto]

Yeah i bet but im not really a stranger to hard content

Just havent done any in wow

[tender reef]

But there I would say don't play tank

After the 5th pull you do your job perfect, but you will still wipe another 500 times

All you can do is watch your team die and hear the muffled moans in dc

[sick grotto]

Yep mythic gotta wait for your weakest players

Haha yep

[tender reef]

I had that in a RL friend guild in heroic 😅

[sick grotto]

Well thats what im currently doing

[tender reef]

Guild died soon after 3 raids wiping on same boss

They couldn't handle it, and there was nothing I could do than to do more DPS

[sick grotto]

Its my mates heroic guild i wana try mythic but leaves them stranded as well without a tank its rough

Yep i know that feeling

[tender reef]

Tbf theres plenty of raid tanks atm

And yeah you're way too good lol

[sick grotto]

Seems like a easy roll

Na parsing is whatever

[tender reef]

I wouldn't say easy, but more clear on your thing and you see the mistakes way quicker since when u do and die it's over

For dps most of them just autopilot after a while and don't even care wnymore

(I want loot not work)

I don't like that

[sick grotto]

Yeah seems like alot of mythic players have that mentality

[tender reef]

And DPS are also the most asocial about loot, hey can I get that item I got a 340 and you got 2x380 already would help me a lot "no I just simmed in the raid on boss 3 it Simms with 200 more DPS, sorry, thanks for tanking bye"

Or they leave guild after they dont get an item

We had that last week

[grand ingot]

I'm a druid main, bringing up my war alt.. question re: cooldowns.
On fights like 1st boss dawn, 1st boss cot I have to make sure I have something every time. How do wars handle this? Do you have enough coverage for every tank buster? Or ignore pain gets you through ?

[tender reef]

If you have IP and SB up you're good

Till like +12

If you have both down you need something

Spell block works too against the buster in cot 1 and dawn 1

But there you need SB up

[hoary pivot]

Your habe Shield Wall, Spell Block, Last Stand, Demo Shout, Spell Reflect Reduction and your healer external

You can rotate those for those bosses

[jagged gust]

Don't need to worry about ideas like IP stacking until you're really pushing keys

[tender reef]

If you play "right" you should always have IP and SB up, no?

[jagged gust]

IP uptime is irrelevant

[tender reef]

Rage = more rage = ip

[jagged gust]

SB yes, 100% uptime

[tender reef]

Uptime In itself yes

But uptime when tankbuster hit

If you got 4 mil in IP you don't even feel it

If you got 0 you drop to 25%

And if you fight the boss you should have enough rage to have IP up

That's what I meant

And the more you got in IP the less the heal has to do for you which means he has more time to DPS or heal the dps

[jagged gust]

it aint that deep

[tender reef]

Since leech is also crazy on warri, he more dmg the more heal

That's how I see it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RpNfFPWx94MCJzTD#fight=4&type=summary

Mind looking at my log maybe you see something that helps you explain it to me ? 👍

[raw parcel]

Is there somewhere to see the details for the high end runs like on raider.io? I'm wondering what a high end-ish tank should be doing, damage wise.

[tender reef]

Mhh I guess take the top warris from raider io search for their logs on warcraft logs

You ca. Also check them on youtube

I don't have the names but just type +15 prot warri

[thorny stone]

Depends on dungeon, but around 1million is somewhat common from what i have seen (and experienced)

[raw parcel]

Thanks!

So for someone who isn't in 15s, but more like the 10ish range, 800k-ish isn't shameful?

Part of the problem of being a tank is there's just the one in a group, so I don't see other tanks for comparison unless I watch their streams, and streamers are usually in a higher class of content so it isn't apples to apples.

[tender reef]

Just look at your own logs

Can you post one ?

[jagged gust]

Like for example, on a single boss fight these are the unmitigated hits you took when IP was depleted

[thorny stone]

Is not

[jagged gust]

You can't guarantee IP to be up unless you specifically plan it for a tankbuster, and that's not necessary as you already have several defensives in your toolkit to support taking big, infrequent hits

[tender reef]

On the bottom half IP is up and SB is up everywhere

[jagged gust]

IP shouldn't be the focus until you're all out of tricks

[tender reef]

Also yeah you can't guarantee it

[jagged gust]

that's last stand, not ip

[barren belfry]

what are the best races for prot and fury off spec

[jagged gust]

Also 25% unblocked melees with 77% SB uptime, SB uptime isn't an absolute metric but with that amount of unmitigated hits, it does seem to line up

[jagged gust]

m+ or raid?

[barren belfry]

both

[jagged gust]

mechagnome for raid, dwarf and nelf have strong m+ utility

[barren belfry]

so there is no passives except mechagnome which are really viable?

cause im horde atm

[jagged gust]

viable is a different story, everything is viable

[barren belfry]

and i really cba to play tauren

[thorny stone]

Do you participate on world first raids or do mythic dungeons on a 15+ level and need night elf invis shenanigans for example?

If not, play whatever looks good

[raw parcel]

Next week best race is gonna be dRaGoN!!!

Though unironically I'm probably race swapping to one. :x

[keen spear]

Do people still min max the race they play? Man I'm just tryna look good

[jagged gust]

m+ skips are used in many key levels, and bleed removal is an incredible racial, don't be dismissive.

[raw parcel]

Visage is S+ tier in sexiness.

[barren belfry]

well bohn im a dps brain 😄 so yes

[keen spear]

Respect

[jagged gust]

Panda has a butt slam TC apparently

huge stonks

[raw parcel]

On a more mechanical level, despite the nerf glide jumping is still like 40% faster movement.

[jagged gust]

They could half it and it would still be worth it

[thorny stone]

I do play dwarf, but i wouldnt say that i couldnt complete a 11 because i didnt have the racial

[jagged gust]

Literally nobody said you couldn't

[barren belfry]

i just want to get the most dmg out of it tbh

[raw parcel]

Dwarf racial is the best, bar none. But I don't wanna look like a hairy big toe. :x

[barren belfry]

and maybe look good

[jagged gust]

their run animation looks godawful too

[barren belfry]

play woman dwarf then,

[jagged gust]

Look like they sharted themselves while their hair is on fire

[raw parcel]

My first level 60 back in 2004 was a dwarf, back when I didn't know better. Now I want my character to look mad sexy. 😄

[jagged gust]

[barren belfry]

woman dwarf and human and nelf prolly the 3 best looking races in the game

[keen spear]

Tauren all the way

[jagged gust]

Draenei for me fam

Blue space goat

[barren belfry]

would rock draenai to but race has stupid legs

[raw parcel]

Best looking race is night elf woman. S Tier. After that, probably human. Maybe blood/void elf. I don't rock with hooves.

[jagged gust]

yeah the lack of feet transmog is a real bummer, sometimes you wanna wear some shitkickers instead of hooves

[pallid cradle]

Hey there is there a Google doc or anything for spell reflects?

[raw parcel]

Get the weakaura, very helpful.

[jagged gust]

in the pins

[pallid cradle]

Knthen the same than a year ago

[barren belfry]

WHICH WEAKAURA

[pallid cradle]

Perf (thought it may be diff due to the time)

[barren belfry]

there is one which tells me to spell reflect?

[jagged gust]

spell reflect essentials i assume

[raw parcel]

Yep, puts a big "REFLECT NOW DUMBASS" in the center of your screen. Not literally that, but it's pretty clear.

[barren belfry]

can u inv me in a party asnd share

[tender reef]

Aw man yeah I guess I get that, but my idea would be I don't have IP not up because I don't want it, it's because of mechanic or rage starved or cd locked. That's what I mean with when you play right you should have it up "always" and of course with always I mean always when you need it

[jagged gust]

dont always take it for its word though

sometimes things aren't worth reflecting

thats where the sheet comes in handy

[barren belfry]

well i always look, press spell reflect and someone kicks so 😄

[raw parcel]

Some things can be reflected and not kicked, like anima slash.

[jagged gust]

kick > SR > Stun > Kick > SR > Stun keeps a mob locked down for a long time, too if you juggle everything

[barren belfry]

still have no clue when to press spell block, havent used it once the last dungeons

and still got no dmg

[jagged gust]

Spell Block only starts doing work when you start taking damage

[tender reef]

Also sometimes I don't so IP when I don't need it, like full hp and boss almost dead then I spam execute. So yeah you don't need IP when you don't eat dmg that's not my point, but in COT 1. Boss as example the time in-between tank busters I do my best to build up full ip

[jagged gust]

You're used to your HP bar not moving, so when it does it's not by that much and you shrug it off, but then those numbers start multiplying

[tender reef]

It's like spell reflect but for aoes etc, I normally just use it when I know slot of dmg comes to help the healer keep the DPS alive

But I do use it way to rare I know that

[barren belfry]

prolly use it when there is multiple casters

[tender reef]

That too, but they should be kicked

[barren belfry]

well u know how pugs work

[tender reef]

Yeah I do but if they don't kick you can forget the key anyway

Spell block won't solve thst

Atleast 8 and up

[sweet summit]

casts can't kill you with spell block up. but a lot of casts go on random targets and not just tank so your group usually dies before you do

[shut badger]

Hey is there some kind of Intervene + Charge macro around or is that not worth using?

[thorny stone]

from faq
Charges if your target is an enemy, or Intervenes if it's an ally.
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[shut badger]

Oh i was just blind, thanks!

[heavy sparrow]

hey guys

when I upgrade my 4/6 to 5/6 for my trinket, does that mean I can ALSO upgrade my 4/6 hero trinket to a 5/6 with only valor?

[stuck spade]

If you use intimidating shout in a dungeon don't the mobs run away? or do they just cower?

[strong forum]

The fear will break instantly when being hit by your group

[onyx vessel]

Unless you gonna fear right off the the rip

Not classic where they run fast af to pull other packs

Haven't spec fear yet and probably never will

[hoary pivot]

More AoE stops more good

[tender reef]

Try it and tell us

But I think all your other gear had to be higher too

No?

[onyx vessel]

Not my job

Fear lasts .5seconds at most so they just recast

[hoary pivot]

That is how stops work in general, yes

[onyx vessel]

Shits capped at 8

Fears 10 misses the casters

[strong forum]

6*

5 mobs + main target

[hoary crystal]

How bad is the the shield on taunt trinket?

[eager phoenix]

its pretty bad compared a few other choices but sure can use if nothing else

[inner oracle]

Upgrades without crest only work when 2 of your trinkets are at the same level. Same for rings.

[hoary crystal]

I just dont want to pick a 619 freom vault but dman that trinket 623 feels wrong

[near patio]

how do i play the stonevault trash that give me damage taken increase?

is there anyway to outplay this

[eager phoenix]

kite?

so they cant reapply

[near patio]

feels like im kiting forever

[eager phoenix]

tank and spank until the stacks start racking up and then wall and if it still not dead kite

[inner oracle]

I don’t think it’s bad, I like the extra shield during setup + backup small defensive it gives

[eager phoenix]

seen some guys swap in piercing howl for vaults if group doesnt have some reliable slow

[near patio]

good point actually

but ig it was dmg problem in my grp

[eager phoenix]

i think overpulling that area means you may need to kite earlier and longer, cus you get stacks faster. if that is overall faster than going a bit smaller and being able to stand still is group relative

[near patio]

i pulled all 3 groups on 11 key

[plucky panther]

hello guys if you need to choose one trinket for m+ with egg ara kara, I'm lost

[near patio]

i mean i survived i was just wondering

raidtrinket for sure

[near patio]

left one

[eager phoenix]

no, skarmorak for sure

[near patio]

huh

[plucky panther]

or I have Chest myth

[eager phoenix]

uncontested raid trinket on hero track from a boss that can be skipped to and is very puggable < m+ trinket on myth track

[inner oracle]

Id still pick swarmlord because I’m not doing much raid, but if there is Mythic armor in the basket then I might pick it

[eager phoenix]

if you got the option of myth track chest i'd pick that over trinkets anyways

[inner oracle]

Yeah same I guess

[plucky panther]

hum I can't catalist chest this week but i think it's ok

[main ledge]

swarmlord good to have if you need haste, but the guy have ara cara and can have quite a lot of haste already... so another one

[eager phoenix]

there are a few dece trinkets to loot. i wouldnt wanna lock 1 trinket slot in at week 5. especially when its an uncontested hero track trinket from a very puggable boss

[plucky panther]

yes tru

thank you for your help

[tribal wharf]

i cant really tell why ppl get overly excited about skarmorak

at least with pog storm it was something easy to see and understand why it was so good

skarmorak is just giga mastery, but mastery is our least valued stat........ so we want this becuase ???

[tender reef]

Is the fragment myth track ?

Then that

If not then whatever is myth lol

Vault only way to get it

[daring narwhal]

hey guys, did anyone notice that intervene doesn't always prevent damage from NW first boss frontal since yesterday? (same with horse in boralus if that matters) could be me just being bad but i didn't have the problem before

[tribal wharf]

i dont want to sound like an idiot so im holding my breath but i want to say thats the green wave infront of him that can be blocked by the intervene, and it does physical, why you can block it,
but i could be wrong

cuz, im pretty sure i was also told here that you can block physical but not magic spells with intervene

yet there is something you can and should intervene on this boss your talking about
so its creating dissonance for me

[rugged wind]

Guys protection warrior is so fun

[thorny stone]

Skarmorak 1000%

[blazing condor]

[tribal wharf]

i envy no purple rock haver personally

hammer, maybe

even though its the same thing, shut up

[crude pumice]

I read something about crit haste being the same thing on haste verse right?

[blazing condor]

yea p much

[wicked pollen]

?

[blissful marsh]

What is a good se of stat weights

[fluid widget]

Sims > stat weights

But I believe the general idea is haste is great, crit and vers and pretty good, and mastery is still good

[blissful marsh]

Right but how much verse is needed for raid tanking in heneral

[fluid widget]

You can raid tank with 0 vers

Raid tanking cares more about cd usage and proper positioning than stats for surviving

And m+ is the same but also shield block uptime

[rugged wind]

I’d stack haste as much as possible

[tribal wharf]

do you see a question mark or a hand holding a hammer is the real question

i always see the question mark

[main ledge]

i see our ability

[tribal wharf]

never registers as hand and hammer to me, i think cuz hammer is the exactly the same shade as hammer

[jovial saffron]

Do we have any soft cap on it? Im at about 20k atm

[main ledge]

30%?

[tribal wharf]

well, im used to the way all the old warcraft 3 buttons looked anyways

[main ledge]

okay yeah, now i can see it, but only after you pointed out

[tribal wharf]

some of them its really hard to make out whats being shown on the image

[blissful marsh]

I'll send my too to this after work and if someone could go through it I'd be greatful

[shy trout]

Confirmed. You can use the spider toy on the dragons in grim batol. High ho silver away

[tribal wharf]

does whatever a spider can

look out there goes the spider tank

[shy trout]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-wild-west-sunset-ride-off-the-end-spider-gif-22383228

[tribal wharf]

i asked ai to make spider man fighting the batman and i am not dissapointed

if that was a poster to a movie, i would watch it

[shy trout]

Facts

[lofty veldt]

is it okay to cry 😦

[hoary pivot]

the dk is really sad

do you assign kicks in any way?

[sick sentinel]

so instigate vs bloodsurge in m+?

just been running bloodsurge and calling it a day, but idk about instigate

[lofty veldt]

i used the automarker wa

but still this is +7

[hoary pivot]

But did you also assign the marks to people?

[lofty veldt]

yeah i did before we started

[hoary pivot]

that makes it more sad, sometimes people suck^^

[lofty veldt]

problem is i got blamed for the first boss not moving we were doing mists

and i said no one was helping me kick

[hoary pivot]

yeah on that boss you need to preassign a ranged kick and ping tghe hell out of the caster when its time to kick it

[twilit thistle]

hello,

Do anyone know why people choose "Everforged Defender" with Embellishment that gives you 509 Versa above 80% Hp instead of getting the Beledars Bulwark, "taking damage has a chance to gain blessing - 823~ versa at 599 iLvl" ? O_o both counts as a Emebellishment 🙂

[hoary pivot]

probably because it is worse

did you sim it?

[fast palm]

Maybe because with the other one you get the vers or crit right off the bat

[twilit thistle]

Sorry no did not sim it, crafted a shield to my brother and he checked top 5 on Raider.io and they all had the normal Everforged shield 😛

Ah yeah, he chose Haste/Vers on the other one

[jagged pier]

Because beledars is bad

[twilit thistle]

Ah thought it had something to do with the proc rate tbh

[fast palm]

Maybe that too*

[rugged wind]

Anyone else shaking of excitement before hopping on WoW? Just the fact that I play protection warrior makes me so happy

[deft mortar]

bro that's called addiction

I used to have it when I was 15

Wake up in the morning first thing in my mind WoW

gotta log on

[molten gorge]

😂

[rugged wind]

I’d rather call it dedication than addiction. If it is addiction then I would not be able to stop.

[molten gorge]

I'm assuming the guy is parodying

Yes

The gambling guy meme

[rugged wind]

Have been playing everyday since launch tho

[rugged wind]

He on the same mindset

[strong forum]

Haven't had that in a while

[fickle coyote]

Big brains, I require aid

Ovinax egg sims quite good for me, specially aoe

Do we need to game that thing, or we just press the incubate on cooldown and let it be?

Gaming for 20/10 distribution or whatever seems detrimental to everything else considering my limited brain capacity 🤣

[strong forum]

You need to game it for it to not be shit

[rugged wind]

I count my steps then stop. Try time it between pulls

[fickle coyote]

Oke, thats a big no no for me then

[rugged wind]

Yeah i have no other trinket so im forced moving spasticly

[fickle coyote]

I can imagine if your constantly on the move and only stacking secondary you're stuck with an absolute shitter of a trinket 😄

Allright, I allready assumed so

[rugged wind]

No i move stop pop it

But id rather use no trinket than ovinaxx

Gets on my nerves

Whoever made that trinket likes to see people suffer

[fickle coyote]

Only thinking about it allready gets on my nerves

[leaden grail]

there used to be a cap on how long a shield block may last, is that still a thing or could I (in theory) just slam last stand with bolster, shield charge, 2 shield blocks and not lose anything from it?

[fiery gale]

do we ever use rend?

[deft mortar]

yikes lol

There are 100k warrs and I am in top 2.6k

So thats 2.6%, mans gotta work

[woeful trellis]

No

[fiery gale]

other question, related to @leaden grail 's one. Can I just press shield block on CD or do I potentially miss a few seconds of SB that way and should rather track the active-timer?

[deft mortar]

Thunderclap applies it

[fiery gale]

alright!

[rugged wind]

Keep rend in spellbook

[fiery gale]

boils down to is timing SB = spamming SB for activity? Or is something lost

with timing SB i mean applying it only when 1-2sec are left instead of using it on CD

[woeful trellis]

Idk i find it dumb to press things on cd. Just track it. You will have like 24 sec uptime beginning of a pull with SC and SS procs