barren belfry
sac brood and maybe grim trinket?
#protection
long bronze
sac is always good, we love the sac
the other slot there are a few options that are close to each other
if you want a defensive option, you want chainweaver
offensive, kinda a toss up so sim it
soft tusk
Maybe I been stuck at 12s but why do 10s feel so easy?
high wyvern
dawnbreaker is an amazing dungeon
long bronze
Like if I sim with a 639 court trinket, which for most is not realistically obtainable, it's -24k dps vs a 619 skarmorak shard in ST
strong forum
but also generally any kind of dot your party member has
or any magic cast aimed at thme
its always useful to apply stormshield
long bronze
and I don't think I've died yet where having that trinket would have saved me vs just actually playing better
I'm in 10-11 key range though, so 🤷♂️
strong forum
Maybe I been stuck at 12s but why do 10s feel so easy?
cuz they generally kinda are if your group also knows whats going on
long bronze
I did try a 12 SV and it wasn't ever scary for me, even the bigger pulls
soft tusk
cuz they generally kinda are if your group also knows whats going on
full pug 2300s
strong forum
I did try a 12 SV and it wasn't ever scary for me, even the bigger pulls
ye SV is turbo chill for pwar
turbid shuttle
Only the stacking debuff pulls can be a bit scary, but just need to have wall and kite a bit at end.
vale karma
SV is chill until the last pack, where you just have to pray your dps kill totems T_T
turbid shuttle
Also the shadow claw pumps and you can't reflect every one. But that's just basic "rotate your CDs to live" stuff
vale karma
Only the stacking debuff pulls can be a bit scary, but just need to have wall an...
oh yeh I hate those mobs, god forbid you accidentally charge into them with no SB up and get one shot
turbid shuttle
Pwar is excellent at killing totems.
Veng is atrocious on totems. None of your abilities even hit them except frac and hunt.
strong forum
SV is chill until the last pack, where you just have to pray your dps kill totem...
you can do that yourself tho+
pallid quiver
bold of you to assume the frost DK hasn't pulled the mob that summons the totem seventeen countries away
turbid shuttle
I've had some wild frost DK pulls this season.
CoT 3rd boss pulled trash from upstairs outside the room
pallid quiver
I actually have had literally zero DK pull issues this season so far, which is wild
long bronze
they just need to change mists to not need turbo cringe levels of count and reduce the timer to compensate
through maze pulls are giga unless you get 4 anima slash guys 
turbid shuttle
Had one where dk and lock both pulled different rooms on to mini boss in maze.
long bronze
was it a dragon too?
merry trout
hi guys can someone share their route for dawnbreaker,
long bronze
that would be hilarious
turbid shuttle
We'll... I died. Everyone else shortly followed.
jagged pier
oof
long bronze
embellishment diff
long bronze
I don't know if I can take advice in good conscious from a guy who can't r1 lfr in -5 ilvl gear and arms embellishments
long bronze
realised im washed when my hand started to hurt doing m+
also too real, I played dk all DF and was fine, now playin warrior again and my hand is upset about it
zealous goblet
https://i.imgur.com/hIzITrc.png
why not just wear ilvl 300 gear to 100 parse for ilvl
why not secure every 100 parse
strong forum
ilvl parses are fake
long bronze
and filtered out
zealous goblet
wrong!
long bronze
if too low
strong forum
true r1 or nothing
long bronze
or too high
strong forum
thats some elden ring shit
long bronze
its a shame naowh got caught gooning on stream cuz that only shield m+ video was pretty cool
pallid quiver
ilvl parses are fake
This; the only real use the serve is if you're in a popular ilvl bracket to get a loose idea if you're doing okay or not. It's too easily swayed by wep ilvl, trinkets, etc
zealous goblet
This; the only real use the serve is if you're in a popular ilvl bracket to get ...
im pulling up to my raid in bfa greens
cant hear u babe
yelling at 2nd tank for pulling offf of me
long bronze
just blame lack of execute procs
elfin cedar
could u not just wear tww gear and unequip your rings and neck and have about the same ilevel
pallid quiver
That's also a consideration for ilvl parses, as well
though i'm not sure if missing gear is filtered automatically or not
long bronze
oh shit nom is streaming
elfin cedar
wear a lv 3 world drop green ring or something in its place
long bronze
I just went back 20 years with this music though lul
pallid quiver
Does anyone know off the top of their head if the anni raid comes out the 22nd or was it the 29th?
i already forgot
and it's already moved off the front page of the launcher
elfin cedar
how's the survival value from ceaseless swarmgland trinket? its kind of hard to tell when i wear it or not and i'm struggling to decide what to put in my second trink slot between that, void pactstone, and sikran's arsenal
tribal wharf
elfin cedar
i tried looking it up but found conflicting info
pallid quiver
how's the survival value from ceaseless swarmgland trinket? its kind of hard to ...
Not great; it shows up well on details, so people think it's very strong, but it doesn't really help that much
long bronze
whoa they added a boomkin main pet
pallid quiver
The most notable defensive trinket is the silken chain from delves, since it slows attack speed by 15%
so it's pretty much a scaling DR based on how hard things are swinging at you
elfin cedar
Not great; it shows up well on details, so people think it's very strong, but it...
yeah that's the feeling i was getting. never really felt like it was really saving my bacon. between those 3 sikran's arsenal would be the choice?
keep in mind i only do like mythic 9s and 10s so its not like top level content
ig at that level it doesn't rly matter more than just playing better
pallid quiver
I thiiiiikn Sikran's is the best, but generally we just sim for damage trinkets
elfin cedar
works for me! I like to just macro it to my cds and forget it
pallid quiver
You need to press Sikran's a lot, by the way, iirc more often than your CDs come off
long bronze
sikran's is used on cd
long bronze
unless you're sitting on a shield dam amp proc and you're fighting queen/court absorb
tribal wharf
that trinket aint droppin
havent run it 120 times in 3 days, like one guy did
but i ran it maybe 20 times in 2 days
languid gust
can I ask what this trinket is that everyone's talking about? I'm a very casual prot warrior just getting into M+
pallid quiver
Which one; we've mentioned multiple
long bronze
I think a few are being talked about simultaneously
elfin cedar
dps trinket from sikran (3rd boss nerubar palace)
pallid quiver
If you mean Sikran's, the active one, it's not even among our absolute best, but it is better than others
fluid widget
Sikran feels surprisingly decent
languid gust
I thought it was a raid trinket, then I read 120 runs in 3 days and was confused. ty.
tribal wharf
makes you gain int or some shit
pallid quiver
I thought it was a raid trinket, then I read 120 runs in 3 days and was confused...
oh that's yogi talk, it's just what he does
we love yogi; he provides a lot of levity for the anger and hate we have a lot of times
tribal wharf
i dont know if i have it in me to run 100 more clefts
tribal wharf
yaya
pallid quiver
Wait, the mount from Clefts? The one that drops off last boss? I don't think that one actually drops at the moment; I know the one from Stonevault didn't drop until season started and SV was active
tribal wharf
that and i had the first part already in my bag so that was instant and then i ran meadry on paladin and it dropped first time
figured itd be easy
im about this far away from all 5 healer group looters
and everyone loots every time
out reset
im motivated by shiny things, mounts and shiny mounts
strong forum
im motivated by cool transmog
untold breach
hi, what is better to take in vault ? neck very rare hero or trinket sacbrood myhtic ? (knowing that i already have the sacbrood in hero)
long bronze
sim it, and then consider you have 1 source of mythic sac, and two sources of heroic neck
strong forum
^
rain bone
Where can I check what enchants are best for Prot?
long bronze
wowhead guide has a consumables section
grim pilot
because you can warband a heroic neck from mythic
Iirc its capped at champ
untold breach
sim it, and then consider you have 1 source of mythic sac, and two sources of he...
ty
long bronze
ty for the correction
rip my dreams of looting my war a heroic sureki in mythic on my dk
cobalt wagon
Does rallying cry work if not at max hp? For example does it heal someone for 10% who is low on health?
deft mortar
Does rallying cry work if not at max hp? For example does it heal someone for 10...
It never heals
I think
It works more like a % dmg reduction maybe?
cobalt wagon
So there’s no value in clicking it if someone is already at 30% hp and about to take another tick of damage ?
deft mortar
1M hp becomes 1.1M HP. If something hits you for 110k, your health is at 90%. Rally expires. Your health is still 90%, but falls to 900k from 990k
But if it hit you 110k at 1M hp without rally, you'd end up with 890k hp
Is my understanding at least(this is probably wrong)
winged slate
You gain HP underneath of yours, when it drops, you lose it off the top
long bronze
cobalt wagon
What happens when someone uses rally while you aren’t topped off though? Like if you have 1m hp and you’re at 30% and someone clicks rallying cry will your hp go from 300k to 330k?
winged slate
So if a player had 3m remaining health out of 6m health, you could use rallying cry to put them up to 3.6m health
cobalt wagon
Ok ty
deft mortar
So if a player had 3m remaining health out of 6m health, you could use rallying ...
Ooh that makes more sense
cobalt wagon
So it is basically a temporary heal
winged slate
It's stronger, because when it falls you don't lose the hp
long bronze
rally would be basically unless otherwise
winged slate
After rally drops, they would stay at 3.6m/6m
tropic tangle
yeah, it's group Last Stand for 10%
deft mortar
Should have heal wording that last stand does as well then imo
tropic tangle
would be extremely ass if you could die from Rally fading
winged slate
It's by far the weakest raid cooldown
violet ginkgo
some other utility like mass reflect also welcomed.. maybe?
deft mortar
LMAOO MASS REFLECT
pallid quiver
I come back and look at this just to see a man speak the truth
winged slate
If the temporary health was taken underneath when rally fell off, then rally could kill people
pallid quiver
I think we should have full reflect like from legion, and also mass reflect it
deft mortar
Mass reflect in pvp would go extremely hard
long bronze
If the temporary health was taken underneath when rally fell off, then rally cou...
time dial
pallid quiver
pop spell reflect, your entire RBG team is almost immune to spells for 5 seconds
cobalt wagon
It seems like one of the stronger group externals for m+ is that not the case? I feel like it would out value amz/mass barrier
winged slate
It's pretty awful
deft mortar
It helps with Gatekeepers first cast kekw
long bronze
it feels good when you save somebody with it
deft mortar
Tbf anything that kills ya probably kills ya thru Rally anyway
cobalt wagon
I use it on the big aoe from second big spider in ara too it feels nice
pallid quiver
Tbf anything that kills ya probably kills ya thru Rally anyway
With the amount of burst over x seconds set of bursts, it's a lot more useful, since it can give healers a slight bit of extra timing leeway to get people up for the next tick
it's generally not game changing, though
deft mortar
I pop last stand, rally, Frontline potion, get priest Stam buff, and resto shaman on me and enjoy 25M health for 10 seconds
Unkillable
Feels good in that first pack BL mass pulls
winged slate
Damage is so spiky at the moment that damage reductions tend to outperform healing/shielding unless the healing is huge
long bronze
you know it is kinda a shame that warrior's cheat isn't called too angry to die and have it act like purg
white garden
is it ok to macro ignore pain and shield block into other abilities?
long bronze
you can macro shield slam into ignore pain but otherwise it's not recommended no
white garden
not shield block?
sharp steppe
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DX9nTHtby3LACcrd#fight=13&type=resources&source=275&spell=101
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KbCN1hGXVpPLf8Yq#fight=13&type=resources&source=2&spell=101
Hey guys, can someone maybe explain why one log has less Indomitable healing including Overhealing eventhough that log had better rage management and had more rage generation. Also how is thunderblast generating more rage with less CPM. Downtime maybe? I’m confused
long bronze
you don't really press shield block often enough for that to make sense
white garden
why wouldnt i want shielf block on CD?
long bronze
in large pulls with lust you're hitting ignore pain multiple times a global and shield block every few seconds
sharp steppe
Also how did SS generate more rage with less CPM
pallid quiver
why wouldnt i want shielf block on CD?
You can potentially slam Shield Block at the end of a pack, wasting uptime, and you can potentially rage starve yourself by hitting it when you don't immediately need the extra duration and are low on rage
long bronze
Also how did SS generate more rage with less CPM
HR vs ITF
pallid quiver
The latter is a more notable concern than the former
Since with HR, you have almost effectively infinite uptime as long as you're hitting things
long bronze
read HR
white garden
sorry kinda newish HR?
white garden
to "prot"
long bronze
heavy reupercussions
repurcussions
@white garden this was for @sharp steppe not your original macro question
sharp steppe
The Indomitable healing with less rage still confuses me
white garden
thanks
pallid quiver
It's a talent on the left tree, before the gate to the lower end, on a choice node with Into the Fray
unborn island
Hey, been away for a few years, is there any recommended streamers/video guides for m+ on Prot these days?
pallid quiver
The Indomitable healing with less rage still confuses me
Indom healing is based on max HP %, as well
pallid quiver
Hey, been away for a few years, is there any recommended streamers/video guides ...
No video guides since they get outdated too fast that we recommend
I know some exist, but I haven't watched any to see if there's substance behind them
unborn island
Fair enough- is there a beat resource beyond just going ham and bricking my own key loads to learn?
*best
pallid quiver
Wowhead and Icyveins guides are both good started to learning the spec itself,
sharp steppe
Indom healing is based on max HP %, as well
Hm 10k Stamina could be the difference
pallid quiver
And then you can check around the usual M+ tanks and the like for general routes and how to handle dungeons
wicked pollen
good way to learn is looking at logs 🙂
pallid quiver
Hm 10k Stamina could be the difference
One person could also have used Last Stand more, meaning the had a lot more max HP for a longer time
white garden
The battle stance macro in the pinned seems to only change from offence to defence "#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance"
unborn island
Think I'm reasonably okay on playing prot (although a bit rusty), but just routes etc
pallid quiver
good way to learn is looking at logs 🙂
It's hard to improve from looking at logs if you don't know what to look for to begin with, but you can always bring logs here and people are always willing to help
unborn island
Will try naowh or something (is that still a person?)
sharp steppe
One person could also have used Last Stand more, meaning the had a lot more max ...
I even used last stand 3x as much as the log with more healing
wicked pollen
It's hard to improve from looking at logs if you don't know what to look for to ...
i mean yeah but after you figure out what to look for its the best resource
pallid quiver
Yeah, I didn't look at the specifics, but it can be a combination of a whole bunch of things is the main point I'm mostly getting at
BSV procs is another thing, as well, since it amplifies healing, if you opt to proc into it
sharp steppe
Yeah I guess
pallid quiver
Since it doubles healing for a time
main dove
What would you guys suggest here?
pallid quiver
Will try naowh or something (is that still a person?)
I've heard he got blasted for looking at naughty things on stream, but I don't actually follow a lot of WoW content creators
I just kinda hold W and read mobs in MDT
long bronze
BSV procs is another thing, as well, since it amplifies healing, if you opt to p...
yeah 5 vs 1 BSV procs could have an impact
pallid quiver
yeah, if there's like 5 BSV procs over you, that'd probably be the main source of difference
long bronze
10% HP from sham is roughly similar between the two
sharp steppe
yeah, if there's like 5 BSV procs over you, that'd probably be the main source o...
Okay, yeah so it’s actually quite a lot to factor in. Good to know what I need to look out for, Ty!
craggy pilot
anyone know what to put in sim to control Ovi'nax mercurial egg stacks?
pallid quiver
The battle stance macro in the pinned seems to only change from offence to defen...
Are you accidentally adding in the quotation marks? That might mess with the name of Battle Stance, so it can't recognize to swap to it
long bronze
Okay, yeah so it’s actually quite a lot to factor in. Good to know what I need t...
in general unless you feel like you were playing poorly, I wouldn't micro analyze this too much. Looks to me like you played very well
white garden
Are you accidentally adding in the quotation marks? That might mess with the nam...
nah i just put those for the message here
this is exact
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive
Stance;!Battle Stance
what im putting in
pallid quiver
should look like that in-game
sharp steppe
in general unless you feel like you were playing poorly, I wouldn't micro analyz...
Just wanted to have a look and see if I find some comparable logs but I really haven’t been successful with that. Just felt a bit shitty once with 3 or 4 assistants in one pull. Thanks though, appreciated!
long bronze
yeah that's just an assistants problem
they spank
if it makes you feel better, you took ~3.5k less dps from assistances and mitigated their attacks 2.7% more
assistants*
sharp steppe
I guess just pressing a single button like spellblock there would have trivialised it..
sharp steppe
Still getting used to damage patterns on prot, same with Void rushes on dawnbreaker. Wont be an issue below 14 but yeah
sharp steppe
you can't SR extrantion strike
But spellblock works, no?
long bronze
according to sense, no it doesn't
sharp steppe
crit stack angle <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
turbid shuttle
Oh hey it's shaene. Welcome to the brown discord bud.
tribal wharf
buoyant lintel
Fair enough- is there a beat resource beyond just going ham and bricking my own ...
dont be afraid of bricking keys. people at the top have bricked more keys than u have ran
sharp steppe
Oh hey it's shaene. Welcome to the brown discord bud.
Aloooo! Last Time I was here was DF S1 so yeah, we back hehe
turbid shuttle
to actually answer your question on indom healing diff: you took way less damage. 541k dtps vs 712k dtps. you were overhealing twice as much because of your superior mitigation (17% vs 37%). if you include overhealing, the indom healing diff shrinks a lot down to 88k vs 80k compared to 73k vs 54k. beyond that, a bit of a stam diff could make up the rest.
sharp steppe
to actually answer your question on indom healing diff: you took way less damage...
Yeah I reached the point of 88k vs 80k too, kinda forgot that it Scales with Stamina etc. Bit stupid lol
Also im surprised the other log timed the key with less than 70% Shieldblock uptime lol
turbid shuttle
better number to look at is blocked hits %, but yea, 72% blocked hits is quite bad.
turbid shuttle
surprisingly, his ehrps/raw dtps was about the same as yours, so he might have been pressing other defensives better
sharp steppe
surprisingly, his ehrps/raw dtps was about the same as yours, so he might have b...
Yeah I was confused aswell
random hare
speaker shadowcorwn, first boss in dawnbreaker is killing me instantly on a +11. do i always have to have shieldwall up for that? iany tips?
turbid shuttle
shield wall 1cpm vs 0.2cpm. press wall more the CD is actually only like 1 min
lucid nimbus
would this be a good build?
624 ilvl , 17% crit, 32% haste, 35% mastery , 14% versa , 12% leech
long bronze
im just tryin to figure out how this fella has 23k haste unbuffed, with ITF and has 70% SB uptime
does he not press the button
3.9 CPM shield block
turbid shuttle
32s per minute uptime without HR. plus ~12s per minute from the shield charges.
yea.. doesn't press SB 🤷
sharp steppe
Seems to still work out 
turbid shuttle
you took 25% less damage from melees in the same key level
pallid quiver
speaker shadowcorwn, first boss in dawnbreaker is killing me instantly on a +11....
Yeah, the tank buster attached to the beam startup hurts a lot
You should probably always have D stance up, and you should always have some kind of defensive going; remember that you have spellblock, as well, and that works on that ability in particular
turbid shuttle
speaker shadowcorwn, first boss in dawnbreaker is killing me instantly on a +11....
spell block (lasts 2) -> wall -> intermission -> wall -> spell block.
long bronze
turbid shuttle
also, I've stopped bothering to try to reflect bolts. my ape dps just kick it anyways. so now I reflect the beam every time for another 20%.
long bronze
I got a WA that /s the reflect amount so ape dps can see how much dam we're losing out on
it probably doesn't help, but its neat
turbid shuttle
I do too. they still kick.
long bronze
SR 8m shadow claw 
long bronze
WCL taking out SR damage 
pallid quiver
can't take it out if it was never in for the first place
flat creek
!wa
lucid nimbus
would you guys swap ravager for battle-scarred veteran?
flat creek
hi, is there a weak aura command?
pallid quiver
would you guys swap ravager for battle-scarred veteran?
You either give up Ravager or SC+Champ's Bulwark
turbid shuttle
would you guys swap ravager for battle-scarred veteran?
I would and do. If you're dying at all it's a fine swap.
lucid nimbus
i can lose bulwark and keep SC tho
pallid quiver
So you either give up the burst rage gen at the start of a pull+aggro tool or you give up a stop+overall rage gen
pallid quiver
i can lose bulwark and keep SC tho
You use SC for the block uptime, so you have to give it up to get Bolster to replace it
turbid shuttle
you lose ~5% dam and ~5% rage to be practically unkillable
lucid nimbus
I would and do. If you're dying at all it's a fine swap.
i'm not really dying
long bronze
then you don't take the talent
turbid shuttle
are you not "really" dying, or are you not dying
but if you're not dying, don't take it, it gives you nothing
lucid nimbus
pallid quiver
If you're not really dying, there's no point in grabbing the talent. Even if you get down to 30%, if you recover, you're fine
long bronze
it's also ass when you go to 30%, are still fine and waste the proc
pallid quiver
It shouldn't even really be a consideration until like +12s
lucid nimbus
aight
soft tusk
it's also ass when you go to 30%, are still fine and waste the proc
lol..
lucid nimbus
i'll never go +12 so
pallid quiver
Since if you're dying below that, you've got major gameplay issues to fix
turbid shuttle
I wouldn't want to gatekeep who's taking it. maybe someone in a mid level key is new and struggling, and it lets them continue to learn without bricking keys
tribal wolf
You use SC for the block uptime, so you have to give it up to get Bolster to rep...
whats better bolster or spell block/
soft tusk
Not to be an ass, what's the highest key u have timed?
turbid shuttle
but if you're not dying don't bother
long bronze
I'd like to know the stats of people who use BSV and people who don't use health pot
pallid quiver
whats better bolster or spell block/
Spell Block by fucking miles
long bronze
who
soft tusk
You
lucid nimbus
spell block ALL THE WAY
tribal wolf
say less ty boys
turbid shuttle
are there any dungeons where spell block is useless?
lucid nimbus
XD
stone moat
are there any dungeons where spell block is useless?
negative
final radish
hi its my damage numbers and in 11 SV i dont know what i am doing wrong but i dont like my damage i think im doing some thing wrong. any one can help me!
sharp steppe
are there any dungeons where spell block is useless?
Isnt is absolute dogshit in arakara?
soft tusk
it's also ass when you go to 30%, are still fine and waste the proc
This is never true is a 12+ .. most of the time if u dipping below 30% it's death
pallid quiver
I wouldn't want to gatekeep who's taking it. maybe someone in a mid level key is...
If you're dying below 10s, it won't magically fix your issues of playing the class poorly. You can fix the poor play issue by spending literally 5-10 minutes a day on the training dummy. If they're not willing to do that
They probably don't actually care about good talent builds
turbid shuttle
Isnt is absolute dogshit in arakara?
I think you spellblock the extracting strikes? I'm actually not sure gonna check log
stone moat
Isnt is absolute dogshit in arakara?
thought it worked on shrill
lucid nimbus
other question , spear or thunderous roar? xD
turbid shuttle
If you're dying below 10s, it won't magically fix your issues of playing the cla...
it won't fix your problems, it will let you not brick keys while you learn
lucid nimbus
which does most dps
sharp steppe
I think you spellblock the extracting strikes? I'm actually not sure gonna check...
Apparently that thing isn’t spellblockable
pallid quiver
I think you spellblock the extracting strikes? I'm actually not sure gonna check...
Extracting isn't able to be spell blocked
pallid quiver
it won't fix your problems, it will let you not brick keys while you learn
what's wrong with bricking keys, tho
Shit happens
soft tusk
LOL
sharp steppe
thought it worked on shrill
That’s so irrelevant, press wall, it’s 1 ability in the entire dungeon which doesn’t even kill you
long bronze
This is never true is a 12+ .. most of the time if u dipping below 30% it's deat...
not sure if you're arguing with me here, I'm just saying it feels bad if you have BSV and it procs when you didn't need it to because 30% isn't exactly dead
soft tusk
True
rough egret
Hi is it still worth to use macro for IP+SS?
soft tusk
Yes
rough egret
Thx
pallid quiver
Isnt is absolute dogshit in arakara?
It works on almost every cast in Ara-Kara, which is why the standouts of things like extracting strike feel bad
turbid shuttle
what's wrong with bricking keys, tho
the entire point is NOT bricking keys. you can choose between getting the signal that you screwed up and fixing it, while NOT bricking the key, or same thing, but also disband gg. this is an obvious choice.
final radish
hi its my damage numbers and in 11 SV i dont know what i am doing wrong but i do...
any helper for this ? 🙂
soft tusk
Hit buttons harder
turbid shuttle
are there any casts in arakara you need to spell block? random target bolts you can reflect.
sharp steppe
It works on almost every cast in Ara-Kara, which is why the standouts of things ...
And what exactly does damage in ara Kara besides extracting strike and the bleed from the smallies?
long bronze
any helper for this ? 🙂
please bring a real log if you want meaningful feedback
turbid shuttle
just looking at the spell reflect/block spreadsheet, there's nothing in there I would care about spell blocking. maybe arakara is a swap spell block for {something} play if you wanna micro-optimize.
long bronze
yeah but then what happens when you forget to switch it back for basically any other dungo
turbid shuttle
lol I will 100% do that
turbid shuttle
I go BS for 1st boss mists and then forget to swap back for maze like 50% of the time at least
stone moat
I go BS for 1st boss mists and then forget to swap back for maze like 50% of the...
thats the aoe fear break?
pallid quiver
hi its my damage numbers and in 11 SV i dont know what i am doing wrong but i do...
You can only very loosely get feedback as to what you're doing from details breakdowns, so a log would enable us to properly help you work on what your damage is.
This is due to the fact that damage breakdowns are heavily skewed by dungeon, pull sizes, gear, and rotation/optimzation, and it's difficult to tell what needs to improve in order to get higher damage numbers without the extra context that details does not provide
turbid shuttle
thats the aoe fear break?
battle stance. the aoe fear break I don't take because shamans exist. if I didn't have a shaman I'd take it.
long bronze
the "this hurts more than I remember" and checks buff uptime at end of dungeon and see 75% battlestance feel
final radish
You can only _very_ loosely get feedback as to what you're doing from details br...
@pallid quiver @long bronze https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPVcZzMxqfajYLQJ#fight=4&type=summary
pallid quiver
So, first immediate thing is that you're not catching as many SS resets as... you...
did you ever press revenge?
long bronze
hah
pallid quiver
alright, back to the start
final radish
did you ever press revenge?
not rly
long bronze
that'll do it
final radish
not for this season
pallid quiver
So your base rotation is SS > TC > Revenge; you should always have rage to press revenge, as it'll reset SS
So you get more rage to funnel
long bronze
you get a free revenge at the very least from champion's bulwark
pallid quiver
You pressed a solid literal 0 revenges, which speaks to the ability of the Thane tree that you still got 14.1 CPM on SS
This is also not helping you leverage your rage, which is why you wasted 1842 rage throughout that dungeon, which is the equivalent of 18 and a half full rage bars
You're probably sitting on globals as a result, when Prot War should never have a single unfilled global
sharp steppe
<@111288222750924800> <@219823593062793217> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...
Comparing it with my 10 ilvl lower Pwar on 11 SV:
1.5 CPM behind on SS
4 CPM behind on IP
1 CPM behind on thunderblast
5.2 CPM behind on Revenge
Less Avatar uptime
And a million rage overcapped
pallid quiver
To give an idea, from AM alone, you wasted 184 seconds of CDR on both Avatar and Shield Wall
So actually 3 minutes worth of CDR, gone
And that's before counting the extra rage you would have generated
long bronze
and two procs of BSV which did not do anything to save you so you also lost all potential ravager + rage gen from that
pallid quiver
You should also swap to Imp Wall over Defender's Aegis, as that gives you more rage, that scales with Outburst, and you get more DR as a result due to the lower CD. Defender's Aegis is the pick if you have no need for Shield Wall outside of very specific moments of extended periods of high damage that you would need two back to back shield walls for
Since the only time that happens is when there's blockable spells around, you just press Spell Block instead
You also sent almost a third of your outbursts on Thunder Clap, which costs you a lot of damage outside of anything except major AOE
sharp steppe
Thought I had a perfect one in my first +12, then I noticed that Ravager trolled me 
pallid quiver
You want to try and funnel as many as possible into SS or Thunder Blast; especially into SS on ST
pallid quiver
Thought I had a perfect one in my first +12, then I noticed that Ravager trolled...
smh
wicked pollen
Thought I had a perfect one in my first +12, then I noticed that Ravager trolled...
mr shaene can i interest you in playing my execute build
grizzled orbit
anyone got some good pug friendly routes?
wicked pollen
press w
pallid quiver
^^^
If there's mobs that are spoopy avoid them, but otherwise just kinda hit everything in your way. Most dungeons this season need you to kill almost everything, anyway
sharp steppe
mr shaene can i interest you in playing my execute build
execute is a great button!
wicked pollen
<:yep:703420923625078804> execute is a great button!
just play execute raid build in m+
pallid quiver
when's aoe execute, blizz
sharp steppe
Apparently I was going for a damage parse in my sv..
If I have TC ready and I could revenge and wouldn’t overcap rage from TC, do I revenge or TC for max damage?
sharp steppe
just play execute raid build in m+
I WILL test it
pallid quiver
If I have TC ready and I could revenge and wouldn’t overcap rage from TC, do I r...
TC does more damage as Thane
sharp steppe
TC does more damage as Thane
Okee
wicked pollen
If I have TC ready and I could revenge and wouldn’t overcap rage from TC, do I r...
i think you tc ip
pallid quiver
And if you would overcap, you'd press IP before pressing TC
And if you have outburst primed, you press Revenge to fish for a SS reset
long bronze
^
sharp steppe
Yeah I only fuck up outburst on single target sometimes when I don’t get SS resets and I’m too greedy to wait for it and just TC
wicked pollen
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KQ6pRcYD18hjT4BL#fight=1&type=summary&source=5 i think you have to play hr though
@sharp steppe
long bronze
tbf that was emissary week hahaha
long bronze
gritty eagle
is there any good way to see if earth elemental is the one ripping aggro from you?
long bronze
a log would tell you
maiden forge
A dead DPS would also tell you 
gritty eagle
thats where i had issues, did a GB and something was taking my aggro like 3 times in a row when i had like 60% of all the dps' dps
and asked afterwards and noone noticed
wicked pollen
<:keks:936231610850897992>
it works i swear
if these people can play double wall and bsv i can play execute
long bronze
you deserve to be happy friend
long bronze
smoky anvil
Mad queen vs hold still egg man trinket for m+?
turbid shuttle
Technically you can even IP after tc/ss and not overcap. It takes a split second for the ability to go off and your IP will happen first. I just built a habit of "if rage high when press builder, press IP also" and rarely overcap
long bronze
mad queen big ST dam, hold egg sim at 20-10 which is degenerate gameplay but had defensive value
soft tusk
Mad queen vs hold still egg man trinket for m+?
make sure u use Mad Queen when the add is sub 7m
for that juicy 60 sec reduction
works most of the time
wicked pollen
depends on what you need
edgy bone
mad queen big ST dam, hold egg sim at 20-10 which is degenerate gameplay but had...
Mad queens feels so bad on prot
In M+
jagged pier
feels fine to me
edgy bone
feels fine to me
Not better than 639 larynx
edgy bone
thats not what your original statment said
How do you feel about double on use
Mad queens and larynx
Choosing not to use sacbrood
edgy bone
i use double on use
Which two are you using in M+
wicked pollen
jakey is it possible to get 100% sb uptime without the 2sec talent
edgy bone
mandate and chilcera
Does mad queens benefit from avatar DMG boost, and can it crit?
south zealot
no and yes
long bronze
it also benefits from skarmarak orb sheild damage buff
jagged pier
Does mad queens benefit from avatar DMG boost, and can it crit?
no trinket benefits from avatar
and yes it can
edgy bone
Do you guys use it on CD or try to snipe killing blows in M+
undone lake
if I charge -> shield carge at the same time, both enters in cooldown and just charge gives me rage?
edgy bone
Because holding it for 59 seconds would be beneficial if you know you can get a killing blow
jagged pier
Do you guys use it on CD or try to snipe killing blows in M+
bit of both
south zealot
if I charge -> shield carge at the same time, both enters in cooldown and just ...
dont do that
edgy bone
dont do that
Why shouldn't he do that
long bronze
boom
edgy bone
I do it too so I'm curious
south zealot
sometiems shield charge wont hit
edgy bone
sometiems shield charge wont hit
Really?
undone lake
thats what happening to me tbh
and ended up being 20 rage and with shield carge on cooldown
soft tusk
Does mad queens benefit from avatar DMG boost, and can it crit?
highest one I gotten was 11m
that was a huge one off.. it's peak its usually 7-8m
pallid quiver
no trinket benefits from avatar
For future references for others as well, if a trinket does interact with Avatar, expect a bug fix not long after
long bronze
the trinket whitelist
pallid quiver
yes
My guess would be because it messes with SC's funny implementation where it acts differently at range than in melee, where it can be used oGCD
edgy bone
Dude heavy repurcussions seems like such a huge DPS loss compared to ITF
long bronze
~6-7% from my sims
long bronze
but it does free up brain a bit
pallid quiver
That's also optimally with all stacks at all times, so if there's melee on bosses, the benefit goes down even more. It's not like HR doesn't provide DPS benefit, either, since it gives you extra rage
edgy bone
That's also optimally with all stacks at all times, so if there's melee on bosse...
But we're always drowning in rage
As mountain thane
I bet HR on Colossus feels great
long bronze
nothing a little extra ignore pain can't fix
edgy bone
Nothing is changing for us on the anniversary patch right
long bronze
it's also kinda neat how 8% haste nearly translates to 8% damage
wicked pollen
we are getting soft capped
long bronze
man I love getting less threat on arbitrary targets
wicked pollen
8 -> 5
wicked pollen
edgy bone
I thought we played spear anyway
dusky canopy
wicked pollen
roar is affected
sudden lynx
I do it too so I'm curious
Its fine to charge, wait until you hit the mobs and THEN shield charge
edgy bone
roar is affected
Now we just play spear no question
sudden lynx
Damn I was considering swapping to roar
wicked pollen
idk colo still might play roar
sudden lynx
Guess I wont be lol
vestal moat
Is there a mechanic on the first pull of SoB that lowers your haste? for some reason my gcd always seems extra slow on that pack
vestal moat
ok man thought i was crazy. it's nowhere else in that dungeon right
long bronze
its called tooth breaker
the scrimshaw gutters cast it
-15% haste per application
it's buttcheeks
autumn cosmos
does anyone happen to have some omnicd profiles i could take a look at? im not really happy with my setup and am looking for inspiration
little lance
I have a question for yall I am not sure if I am doing somthing wrong but I am 620 and even when spamming ignore pain and having shield block up I can seem to tank 10s I am not sure where to look to improve but I just can’t seem to complete a key
little lance
Let me see if I can find one just bricked a 11 grim to a frost dk dragon
tropic tangle
not much you can personally do about a DPS pulling extra packs on top of the group
glass pine
@little lance If it makes you feel better I just swapped to prot for the first time and did a 2, topped the meters and barely timed it. 🙂
tropic tangle
I mean, obviously position the pull with other packs in mind, but if they're just gonna send Frostwyrm into a pack you haven't pulled there isn't much counterplay.
You can try to corral it, hope you have enough CDs to roll through enough to get it under control / hope DPS can kill the first pack off
graceful kite
long bronze
after years of fighting it I just accepted my fate as a tank main
little lance
<@807176922186514473> If it makes you feel better I just swapped to prot for the...
i mean i really should not complain i have been warrior for 2 and 1/2 weeks max and i am 2.5k but i am not sure the issue i hit i was cruzing the bam wall of me just getting ate open then i see streamers they do have a aug but none the less just not struggling
long bronze
intentional and coordinated kicks and stops are very impactful to your damage intake as a tank, keep that in mind
long bronze
first thing is only 75% of melees blocked
sudden lynx
I see why tanks don't wanna tank no more.
What why tankings fun
long bronze
that should be >95%
little lance
i made few mistakes one of the first death was a group wipe we missed interupts then i got booped themn i was slowed and could notddge webs
little lance
that should be >95%
is that a stat issue
long bronze
no
little lance
i could sware shield block is up almost constently
frosty mango
I see why tanks don't wanna tank no more.
Tanking is like the easiest role there is now
sudden lynx
i could sware shield block is up almost constently
You can check uptime in details, good uptime is like 90% and up imo
frosty mango
If you are 620 and falling over then 99% of the time you’re not keeping shield block up
little lance
does this only count in combat
opal stump
30s at the beginning with no block
little lance
yea i was running to the first big add
frosty mango
With heavy repercussions you should easily be 97+ and it should always be up when entering combat
autumn cosmos
Tanking is like the easiest role there is now
starege
naive glen
Hi everyone, I'm just now starting to learn prot after years of only playing fury, are there any "training-wheels" type macros I can use to help with defensive uptimes? stuff that may not be 100% optimized, but helps simplifying the rotation/reduce keybinds (considering it's my first time playing a tank at all)
frosty mango
Hi everyone, I'm just now starting to learn prot after years of only playing fur...
You can macro shield block to shield slam and ignore pain to thunderclap, it will keep your uptimes high but it will waste a lot of rage you would be using in damage and wouldn’t recommend it really
But it WILL work
south zealot
You can macro shield block to shield slam and ignore pain to thunderclap, it wil...
do not do that
autumn cosmos
lowkey think thats a horrible suggestion
south zealot
no reason to create bad habits when learning
autumn cosmos
nobody should ever go down that path
opal stump
Just Think Of Shield Block As Prot Enrage
naive glen
gotcha, any other abilities I can merge? anything to help with the opener maybe? it's just a little overwhelming, keybind wise
frosty mango
lowkey think thats a horrible suggestion
It’s not lowkey, it’s 100% the wrong way to play but he said not optimal and reduces key binds. That’s what I gave em
sudden lynx
Hi everyone, I'm just now starting to learn prot after years of only playing fur...
Not macros but I have a WA that, when I'm in combat without SB, puts huge letters alll on my screen that say SHIELD BLOCK GONE
Cant miss it
buoyant lintel
gotcha, any other abilities I can merge? anything to help with the opener maybe?...
u dont need macros. just keep shield block up and ignore pain when you cap on rage. use revenge to generate more shield slams
frosty mango
Not macros but I have a WA that, when I'm in combat without SB, puts huge letter...
Mine is a loud ass siren with big ass letters that says “Yer fuckin dyin bro”
naive glen
Is there any convenient button I can bind taunt to?
sudden lynx
Is there any convenient button I can bind taunt to?
I play on controller so cant rly help you there sadly
naive glen
I mean with another ability, via macro
buoyant lintel
do you know how taunt works?
frosty mango
Wat
sudden lynx
I mean with another ability, via macro
Oh then no I dont think so
scarlet stone
the only things you macro together are avatar+trinkets
frosty mango
I mean with another ability, via macro
Are you trolling us I feel like this may be a quality troll
scarlet stone
or ravager+trinkets
naive glen
there are macros like charge/intervene/impending victory
sudden lynx
Really I would only recommend macroing charge and intervene IF you really want to
scarlet stone
and they're all bad
naive glen
Are you trolling us I feel like this may be a quality troll
I literally just picked up prot, lol
sudden lynx
Really I would only recommend macroing charge and intervene IF you really want t...
But even thats kind of whatever
smoky anvil
Can’t charge friendlies, can’t vene enemies. It’s a diffy but a meaningful one.
naive glen
But even thats kind of whatever
I mean, anything that saves keybinds is good
scarlet stone
I literally just picked up prot, lol
It applies to ANY class/spec in WoW. You do not macro shit together because it is always worse.
smoky anvil
Shift and control modifiers, big dog.
scarlet stone
You can macro choice node talents to the same keybind
scarlet stone
`/cast [@player] Champion's Spear` is sort of handy
That's not abilities together.
potent anvil
I'm ascending 
scarlet stone
Macros, very good.
Macros that put multiple abilties on the same keybind? bad.
naive glen
It applies to ANY class/spec in WoW. You do not macro shit together because it i...
what's the problem with macroing offensive cooldowns with idenntical cooldowns? or opposing abilities, like charge and intervene (and impending victory, kind of)
sudden lynx
I mean, anything that saves keybinds is good
Actually you can macro things you only grab for affix - like bitter immunity and the shield shredding throw
frosty mango
I mean, anything that saves keybinds is good
There are very few scenarios on prot where you can macro two abilities together and have it not be sub-optimal in some way
warm plinth
I'm ascending <a:Fight:586465253836193802>
I saw a deswind YouTube video. Ele sham though
naive glen
Actually you can macro things you only grab for affix - like bitter immunity and...
good suggestion, ty
potent anvil
I saw a deswind YouTube video. Ele sham though
Next week, ele shaman gonna blast with ascendance 
warm plinth
Ascending with ascendance
frosty mango
I'm ascending <a:Fight:586465253836193802>
potent anvil
frosty mango
Twinsies
deft mortar
`/cast [@player] Champion's Spear` is sort of handy
Misses like half the mobs (assuming you like to block hits)
sudden lynx
Holy I thought that was overall
opal stump
eh, 5 target cap
deft mortar
Your DPSers clearly held you back
sudden lynx
You think I did a billion damage in one pull lol
Oh damn didnt see lol
deft mortar
Could hit 1M without them
frosty mango
Your DPSers clearly held you back
It was a full pug I’ll take it
south zealot
1 milli is lightwork
sudden lynx
I average like 600k if I'm pumping (':
frosty mango
1 milli is lightwork
I’m convinced if you have all blaster dps and you can do fat pulls you could get 1.2 as a tank ez
south zealot
you can
left beacon
What dungeon is that 1 mil in?
south zealot
done it with 619 weapon
frosty mango
What dungeon is that 1 mil in?
Mine and the one deswind linked were both stonevault
left beacon
Ahh yea that makes sense, there are just massive pulls there
river shard
I alway get higher damage in SV, GB, and Mists because of the massive spell reflects
higher than what I get in other dungeons*
not higher than you
vestal moat
i thought spell reflect wsa taken off of details this season
frosty mango
Neg it’s there
deft mortar
Get Augment. Get Disci for PI. Get Boomie with Spymaster trinket.
Everyone buffs up the Boomie
left beacon
Yea i gotta get my numbers up there, i tend to rock more survival talents (battle-scarred/fight through the flames)
frosty mango
Actually the highest output I’ve seen this season in an 11+ has been enhance
left beacon
I've definitely seen some beastly enhanceys
frosty mango
Boomie definitely cranking though
frosty mango
Makes me sad if I dps on my main I struggle to stay over 1.1m
Spriest brings a lot but definitely not s tier pump status
left beacon
Truth be told i've seen solid damage across the board, some outliers here and there but balance seems pretty good
strong forum
I'm ascending <a:Fight:586465253836193802>
come on
need some more
i know you can do it!
potent anvil
I just hit 620
river shard
Do any prot wars use Engineering as a prof? I've crafted both bracers and helm... do we only have really have 2 pve tinkers this expansion? Health and Invis?
potent anvil
deft mortar
Seen a Boomie pull 2.4k overall in SV 10
First pull with BL he did 10M on first 4 packs
2.4M*
strong forum
thats not an excuse deswind
potent anvil
strong forum
i did my first 1.2mil overall with 611 ilvl
potent anvil
frosty mango
i did my first 1.2mil overall with 611 ilvl
Yeah but you’re you
left beacon
I actually had a feral in my last stonevault who was slapping real hard, love to see it, and did some serious single target as well
deft mortar
i did my first 1.2mil overall with 611 ilvl
What was your DPSers overalls tho frfrdr
The secret juice to tank overalls
Phatt ST dpsers
strong forum
sudden lynx
Bro HOW 😭 😭 😭 😭
deft mortar
Ahh
strong forum
but its spriest
strong forum
key still +2d
deft mortar
Giga
strong forum
who gives a fuck was a weekly for a shitty alt xd
deft mortar
Bigger number = happy neuron
south zealot
nomer u think double on use with treacherous transmitter skarmorak or transmitter sac
south zealot
ok im convinced
deft mortar
Dang I ain't binding another damn button
Can only cope with 1 on-use
Altho that 7k str on use trinket sorta fun with demolish and spear, see some big numbers
Sucks to miss a GCD tho
narrow patrol
sorry if this is a stupid question, but if iw anted to deplete my own key, I can just do that on my own right?
delicate orbit
Hello, is there a weak aura for ignore pain that shows an icon when current ignore % absorb drops below certain amounts?
desert grail
is there a similar pot for tww? i liked popping it before the key for a little bit more threat
remote tusk
More str more threat
real fossil
im playing double on-use
Double on use uproar 🤔
deft mortar
sorry if this is a stupid question, but if iw anted to deplete my own key, I can...
U can talk to panda lady in Dornogal to lower your keys level
weak snow
any idea what the first line is with double ??
real fossil
None? As in no crafted
tribal wharf
maybe some people craft the base item, and then with the thing
or they dont know better/know too much
and simply craft the base item to control the secondary stats they get
weak snow
so basicly 2 naked crafted pieces
tribal wharf
this is my cooked theory on it
real fossil
Or they crafted a 2 hander
I don’t think it assumes you have 2 crafted items to begin with
My prot set is running writhing armor band and duskthread 🤡
tribal wharf
almost 30 runs for the trinket for quest now
its not challenging to do or somethin, makes me want to go play retro games tho lol
soft tusk
99% of people quit right before they made it. Keep going
tribal wharf
i dont want to be the guy who ran it 120 times in 4 days
and i didnt get it
so im mad
soft tusk
It could literally be the next one.. you got this
tribal wharf
and thats where its heading, so i figure quit while im ahead lol
tribal wharf
nahh there is a certain number of total mounts i want and then ater that i dont care any more
cuz its about transmogs an mounts that are harder to get and match the specific transmog
the one i need now takes 450 mounts i think it is, thats alot of mounts but if i have to
soft tusk
It's only hard in your head. Keep going.
tribal wharf
im at like 312
its way in the future, but the blue rock one
i need him
and then there is 1 more
real fossil
almost 30 runs for the trinket for quest now
Which trinket r u on?
tribal wharf
burin
rough urchin
got a prot warrior gear question one which to take from Vault if any
real fossil
Still waiting for the first one 😩
tribal wharf
ya, i could stop at 350 mounts and be forever happy
the frenzy feltalon matches my current green gold transmog alot better than the felfire hawk (400 and 250 mounts)
soft tusk
I feel like a degenerate with my 762 mounts D:
sharp gale
I feel normal not buying ugly mounts or recolors of owned ones in trading post
tribal wharf
i can do another mount if i do bfa islands
sharp gale
left beacon
i see, i haven't messed with colossus in a while, feel like i have less rage regen in it but could be just me
definitely much higher damage
left beacon
do u go full on damage talents or do u take some of the defensive options
south zealot
like what
left beacon
like into the fray or battle scarred vet
I guess is said to opposite styles of talents but i guess do u take battle scarred vet, heavy repercussions or fight through the flames?
or the more damage alternatives
south zealot
I guess is said to opposite styles of talents but i guess do u take battle scarr...
none
u can take fight through the flames but if youre playing colossus youre already saccing survivability
so might as well commit to damage and take the revenge increase
left beacon
I see so you are all in on damage
south zealot
i have 17k haste unbuffed and play itf, i drop shield block sometimes but with more haste wont be an jszue
issue
and itf will be better defensively with enough hastd
left beacon
Yea i'm sitting at 15k. I tend to just go no the safer side, i would like to pump some more damage but i'm only doing 10s so my extra damage is like moot
cobalt wagon
Just watched the first pull of a sob 15 and yoda didn’t use shield charge until half way through first pack. Is that a smart thing to do so you can get some rage gen when it’s starting to slow down? I thought you always wanted to lead on packs with shield charge if it’s up
south zealot
he just doesnt use that button as often as he should
go into packs charging and use shield charge after your charge has connected
chilly brook
this game is fucking dogshit
Why is there a dungeon leaver penalty when you get kicked
cobalt wagon
Because if you got kicked you’re the greifer, it’s not like wow players kick people for absolutely 0 reason 
quiet zenith
Is crit only rly dmg value or also more surv then vers?
sick grotto
Is charge into shield charge bugged my shield charge completely ghosts shield block rage and everything if i use it before charge hits
tribal wharf
i can get the islands mount if i run 2 more
warm plinth
avoidance worth much?
Not if one item is better than the other without the avoidance (or leech)
mystic pewter
gotcha. keep the neck i have it is then
mighty valley
Just watched the first pull of a sob 15 and yoda didn’t use shield charge until ...
if you can afford to delay then putting it after everything’s grouped and you’ve thrown out demo shout is good but halfway through the pack is pointless
torn gulch
don't take everything that big players do at face value
they play in coordinated groups and a lot of the times they do things according to either what the group needs or whatever he feels
tough fulcrum
can anyone help me. i am playing dps in raids but i tank i m+. i am going to craft a shield what embelishments are we playing with?
tribal wharf
i gotta look up when the bfa pvp invasion world quests happen
must be some easy way i can get 42 mounts
sharp gale
I main tank but play dps in raid 🌈
One day
Hopium one of the tanks will quit the game before me
jagged gust
raid tanking is boring
listen to lady, move boss 20 yards, rinse repeat
DPS raid, m+ tank, best of both worlds
imo
sick grotto
Yeah tanking in raid is big snooze. Also Co-tanking with average player is pretty annoying with boss positioning and ripping aggro off other tank
winged grail
hello all, looking to grab a tank alt. Looking at either druid/pwarr rn. Heard pwarr had some very high apm in higher keys? is it exaggerated or is it really carpal tunnel lol
sick grotto
Personally i dont think the apm is that high bit of a meme. I come from fire mage however. Just frequent ignore pain and shield block weaving as well as your ogcd defensives as well inbetween gcds to manage rage and mit.
deft mortar
Wtf is even apm
winged grail
Personally i dont think the apm is that high bit of a meme. I come from fire mag...
Yeah I can agree with that take
I just play a sweaty high apm healer rn and looking to get a more casual alt
war is basically pressing something off of gcd rn right?
sick grotto
I cant really comment on druid but with iron fur its much the same
deft mortar
I had 95% conquerors banner uptime in Shadowlands dungeons
pastel geyser
iron fur is 10 times worse
winged grail
yeah I just checked out druid channel and its one ability that they bound to mousewheel lol
sick grotto
During incarn u will be spamming fur
deft mortar
Druids wouldn't understand
pastel geyser
i have a druid tank friend and he bound his fur to mouse wheel cuz it got that bad
winged grail
they all do lol
sharp gale
raid tanking is boring
I know it’s boring but playing a spec you don’t want is worst
winged grail
but tbh spinning mouse wheel sound betters than say hitting 10 buttons off of gcd
was getting prot wars take
sharp gale
Don’t worry I did nyalotha as tank I wanted to end
deft mortar
I don't like raiding overall and would've probably quit WoW if not for the dawn of M+ in Legion
Up to Legion I was full PvP
winged grail
yeah I'm into m+ also
which brings me to prot warr channel for it being like 40% of all M+ tanks
and basically druid/prot warr only top 200
deft mortar
Last I did scheduled raiding was MoP
sick grotto
Prot war on opener to get your mit up can be like 4-5 buttons in a second to make sure u dont get one shot by a pack but cruisy after first gcd
deft mortar
Cleared SoO up to NazGrim in mythic I think
winged grail
Prot war on opener to get your mit up can be like 4-5 buttons in a second to mak...
4-5 buttons in a second?
on every opener?
deft mortar
Prot war on opener to get your mit up can be like 4-5 buttons in a second to mak...
I got a macro called "Live"
sharp gale
which brings me to prot warr channel for it being like 40% of all M+ tanks
You might also pre-join the prot pala discord
deft mortar
For times like that
sick grotto
Generally opening on a pack
deft mortar
Literally pops everything that's off GCD
winged grail
You might also pre-join the prot pala discord
for future buffs?
sick grotto
For first pull
winged grail
yeah thats already a no for me if thats true
deft mortar
Everything
deft mortar
I swear prot Pala is simple as shit
You have 2 defensives
Your ideal dps rotation is also your ideal survival rotatiob
winged grail
and having no rage
sick grotto
You might charge > shield wall > avatar > shield charge > shield block > ignore pain
For example
deft mortar
I'd say prot warr is more complicated than prot pala
sick grotto
On pull
deft mortar
More buttons atleast
winged grail
I'd say prot warr is more complicated than prot pala
tbh sounds like one of the more complicated ones if played at the highest lvl
if they all are
sharp gale
for future buffs?
11.0.5 is all about pal prot that’s it
sharp gale
And it’s in 7 days
winged grail
interesting
south zealot
Your ideal dps rotation is also your ideal survival rotatiob
same for warrior though
deft mortar
same for warrior though
Sometimes rarely we make a choice between revenge or IP
Protadin just clicks avenging shield
south zealot
Sometimes rarely we make a choice between revenge or IP
you revenge when you cant thunderclap or ss
because more shield slams is better defensively than 1 ip
boreal heath
same for warrior though
Doesn't colossus have to choose between IP or revenge for damage
deft mortar
you revenge when you cant thunderclap or ss
Ik our rotation my man lmao
sharp gale
anyone use nelf for shadowmeld?
Find a rogue and you will not need to be NF in the RARE case you have a niche thing
south zealot
Doesn't colossus have to choose between IP or revenge for damage
yes colossus is different but isnt what ppl are generally playing right now
winged grail
which one of the tanks can cc a mob to past them if any?
deft mortar
Colossus with BT for low keys goes insanely hard
Because your dps keeps your IP up
From the talent
sick grotto
Colossus you revenge spam unless your capping rage then dump excess ip
Colossus doesnt spend or generate enough rage
Its so slow
sick grotto
I reckon it is
deft mortar
Colossus doesnt spend or generate enough rage
BT makes u rage starved
south zealot
you just press less ignore pains but is the same cpm outside of that
sick grotto
Like i cant spend rage fast enough
sharp gale
which one of the tanks can cc a mob to past them if any?
Dh and monk (they need to ring)
sick grotto
Cause revenge uses fuckall
deft mortar
Like i cant spend rage fast enough
Try Barbaric Training to 1.5x your Revenge rage for only 1.25x'ing it's dmg
winged grail
Dh and monk (they need to ring)
ring?
deft mortar
I use BT with colossus for keys below 10
deft mortar
And basically don't click IP
winged grail
Ring of peace
is that an ability?
deft mortar
Pack of 5 I do like 2M dps
sick grotto
Im not a fan of colossus playstyle id have to play it more
sharp gale
is that an ability?
Oh maybe you are new to the game ahah yes monks have a ring they can put to bump adds
sick grotto
Yeah i can do similar on dummies
deft mortar
BV feeds 10% of that to IP, leech another 10%
No need to click IP if it's low key therefore
winged grail
Oh maybe you are new to the game ahah yes monks have a ring they can put to bump...
like an actual ring they swap out to use and then equip the normal ring back on?
deft mortar
Just to keep it active
sharp gale
is that an ability?
Basically monks can cc an add but they need to push it because it still aggro if you are in range
deft mortar
like an actual ring they swap out to use and then equip the normal ring back on?
It's knocks enemies out from a targeted circular area
winged grail
is that an ability?
so an ability
south zealot
yes
deft mortar
And enemies can't get in it for a duration
deft mortar
Also interrupts casting
merry trout
hey, is champion's spear only for root and dmg? can i take thunderous roar instead if i want to?
or is there a big catch
deft mortar
hey, is champion's spear only for root and dmg? can i take thunderous roar inste...
Champs spear appearantly Sims better
merry trout
oh
deft mortar
You take the 4% armor to strength talent 100% for every build anyway
winged grail
A nelf dh sounds pretty good niche tbh
jagged gust
roar forces you in to the crit path so you lose access to the 2nd capstone
which is why colon war takes it, easier access from not needing the avatar capstone
deft mortar
I wish that crit atleast gave parry
deft mortar
which is why colon war takes it, easier access from not needing the avatar capst...
Yeah TC isnt all that when Revenge crits 1M lol
deft mortar
No it's dwarf
sharp gale
roar forces you in to the crit path so you lose access to the 2nd capstone
I don’t mind if we play roar but yes it is expensive to take it
jagged gust
definitely dwarf
deft mortar
Orc players are just based
little lance
quick question when looking at up time does that count running while not in combat
deft mortar
There will always be top ranked orc warriors
winged grail
druids also
deft mortar
Just like how there will always be top ranked human paladins
sharp gale
Dwarfs or darker dwarfs
deft mortar
Some ppl been on their character for a decade and dgaf about the meta race
winged grail
I heard something along the lines that pwarrs stand on top rn since they have everything druid has but better mdmg def abilities?
sick grotto
Dwarf oppa
sharp gale
If Druid tank could be dwarf all top players would be dwarfs
deft mortar
Remember when tanks were tauren
winged grail
Remember when tanks were tauren
for 5% hp lol
deft mortar
Earthen warrior might be worth checking idk
jagged gust
meta race is usually a meme, but stoneform is so fucking good in certain dungeons
deft mortar
meta race is usually a meme, but stoneform is so fucking good in certain dungeon...
Ye but BERSERK goes hard