protection

[hoary pivot]

pings are the best to remind people in the moment. allows dps to tunnel.

[tender reef]

Pug DPS barely get a cd out I'm not babysitting them

[hoary pivot]

i have fixed things i ping everytime on a lot of bosses, has really improved pugging

[tender reef]

It's a +8-+11 know at least the FUCKING basics

[sharp gale]

If you wipe in pug on something a ping would have prevented it’s 100% on you

[tender reef]

Nah

[hoary pivot]

as a tank, kind of yes

people expect you to lead

[deft mortar]

If u need to communicate at all ur group is bad tnf

Tbf

[tender reef]

Yes

[tender reef]

This

[hoary pivot]

and groups perform better the more things are called

[tender reef]

Just do your damn job

It's not a +30

It's a zugzug dungen

[hoary pivot]

world first raiders have a person who is literally jsut there to call every single thing, even though it is the same all the time

[tender reef]

Your GS is 20 I lvl above what you need

[hoary pivot]

allow people to tunnel and to get

[tender reef]

Exactly world first

[hoary pivot]

audio queues

[tender reef]

Not m0

[sharp gale]

It’s not especially you leading, if you have a button you can press to prevent something bad happening, not pressing it is a mistake

[tender reef]

You cant

That's not how pings work

Also world first myth guilds don't make the tank ping before he pulls the boss 3m to the side

[hoary pivot]

on any level, providing clear visual and audio queues to your group will help them to focus and remember.

[deft mortar]

M+ packs and bosses have like 1-2 mechanics

[tender reef]

Yes but doesn't help me play better

[strong forum]

I literally tell my group "tell me what to pull cuz I have no clue how much we need for count"

[tender reef]

Xd

[strong forum]

I ain't leading shit, I'm just tanking shit

[hoary pivot]

they kind of do, instead of the ping sound they have someone calling it

[tender reef]

Yes

Someone yes not the tank

Th tank tanks

Not your chatterbox

[hoary pivot]

thats totally fine, but the reason you do that is to make clear that you dont want to lead

[tender reef]

Not your mommy

Do your job

Carry your wieght

[hoary pivot]

which is expected from the tank by default

[tender reef]

From losers

Boosted losers

Should all be banned

[hoary pivot]

i mean sure. if you have found a mindset which makes you happy about that, more power to you

[sharp gale]

12 years old mindset

But do as you wish, you pay your sub

[tender reef]

Uh huh look at the adults "I'm responsible for everything if my DPS just dies it's my fault" so good mindset

Post some logs let's seer

[strong forum]

I mean in pugs I will lead cuz I don't trust them to know how even spell their own name

But in pre-made I sure as shit ain't leading, im lazy like that

[jagged pier]

i just press w

[wicked pollen]

^

[hoary pivot]

i dont think it will make you rage less about your pugs though. they will not change, you wont change. everyone can be angry.

[soft aspen]

FUCK YESS

YES!!!!!!!!!

[hoary pivot]

we are takling pugs. premade in voice, you find your system and stick to it. depends on your friends and social dynamics if there is any leading at all^^

[strong forum]

Yo that's a nice myth helmet

[eager phoenix]

Yep

[prime kernel]

trin vs myth track set pieces (still have a chance for it from weekly HC chest event and didint clear raid this reset) , opinions ?

[strong forum]

Myth piece

That trinket ain't worth a vault slot

[tender reef]

I just wanna see your dmg And if you run with 4x 3k guys or actually pugging

[strong forum]

I have that thing since week1 and didn't use even once

[prime kernel]

kk , thanks for the help. Was checking some logs and m+ setups but havnt seen that trin verty often , will get it from the raid eventually anyways

[soft aspen]

i took the trinket

instead of myth helm

[hoary pivot]

then add that to the list of things you can be angry about^^ i will not start an argument about some abstract authority levels. all i am saying is, if you want to be happier pugging, invest more mental resources into leading pugs to help them. if you want to keep raging about them dying, then keep doing that, its your sub, i dont blame you for it. do what is fun for you.

[soft aspen]

mandate is just too nice

also i had champion trinket f that shit

replace sacbrood ye?

[sharp gale]

Or do 40 ara Kara 7s

[wicked pollen]

[tender reef]

Not sure what's my sub 🤷‍♂️

But yeah I disagree on a meta level, if you go pugging have your buff food, flask, Mana Stone.

Know the dungeon and what you have to do.

And then just play

I don't have to give you that stuff because I'm the tank, and I don't have to hold your hand (of 4 RNG people) just because I wanna run a dungeon

You either know your shit or you dont

Nothing of that is on me

[hoary pivot]

your sub = your subscription, you pay money to play the game, it is your choice how to do it and you dont need to justify it for anyone else.

[hoary belfry]

thoughts on the trinket Throngus's Finger? if its not listed on wowhead i assume its swamp?

[hoary pivot]

that is totally legit.

[jagged pier]

bad

[ornate thicket]

Arguing that nobody should take lead of group? Lol wtf

[sharp gale]

I prefer to give me the best chance of having a good time in pugs

[ornate thicket]

I think a lot of people dont have the mental bandwidth to make calls and play their class.

[tender reef]

Yes I dont

[ornate thicket]

But it really helps for someone to be pinging or vocal

[sharp gale]

(Im grateful pugs ping the good image on second boss of mist lol)

[static gale]

As someone that’s new to retail, I definitely don’t. This game is hard. Pushing 12+ dungeons, and I can’t manage it all, but I’m trying. Love it when someone else in the pug actually knows wtf to do

[tender reef]

It's like a 15% debuff to care for the whole group, I don't care about those people.

Why sacrifice my logs for those losers and hen imagine they EXPECT it LoL just to blame you and leave after they wipe

[sharp gale]

Wait

[static gale]

People get really angry when someone has a bad run. Maybe it’s just me, but I do find this game hard (that’s why I play) and sometimes you’re just not on your a game

[sharp gale]

Do you actually care about dungeon logs ?

[tender reef]

Yes

My logs

[white hollow]

Guys i have crafted shield 636 and vault gave me a 623 upgradeable to 639, or i could take a chest 623 upgradeable to 639 (i have 610 chest). Which one do i take? my concern is if those 3 ilvl shield will be more powerfull

[tender reef]

It will be

[lofty warren]

can you craft a 636 and then catalsis it into a tier piece?

[white hollow]

stats of hield are haste versa crafted vs haste mastery vault

[ornate thicket]

Id take the myth chest

[tender reef]

Not about stats ilvl more important, you can get the shield now up it and know u got the best or you go for chest and you have a better solution for right now

[gentle tinsel]

How do we feel about one vers embellishment then the weapon embellishment?

That was 1 is still working when below 80%

[tender reef]

Gem laser

We use gem laser

[tranquil socket]

nop

[lofty warren]

dang

[tender reef]

Post your logs if you don't care 💅

[soft aspen]

when do we use the mandate trinket

[spark wave]

rash cloak or sac, what has more value for m+?

[soft aspen]

offensively, defensively.?

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/dalaran/happywar?zone=39#metric=dps
i don’t take logs since I don’t care

[charred palm]

i think sac is the way to go tbh

[gentle tinsel]

Sac is bis trinket

[spark wave]

i feel the same. sac might stay until the end of the season while the cloak might be changed for a mythic track one

[charred palm]

yeah thats my logic too. i dont think yo ucan go wrogn with sac

[soft aspen]

so ballsac+mandate is bis?

[charred palm]

probably depends on the content but i think theyre definitely both amazing trinks

[wicked pollen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/85347319

noober

my number bigger

[charred palm]

if youre pretty good with mandate killing stuff in m+ i could see it being a good damage increase

[sharp gale]

Oh you talk about my fury mm lol

[wicked pollen]

so im better

[tender reef]

Def way better then mine so how you 5x find 62x people to run 10er lol.

[sharp gale]

I never played fury before I saw the first boss mm

[wicked pollen]

i griefed 3rd boss

didnt no i could get oneshot

[tender reef]

I don't think you have to tell them anything to blow through that

[sharp gale]

I didn’t chose to play fury lel

[wicked pollen]

join me

[sharp gale]

In MM

In hm as tank

On sikran

[mild river]

Is there an addon that prevent ppl on my ignore list to join my keys?

[daring light]

is there any haste breakpoint to pick up into the fray?

[wicked pollen]

+40%

[sharp gale]

You can haste flask (insert streamer name use haste flask)

[tender reef]

I have this global ignore addon it tells you when ignored people join group

I'd have to check at home the name if you for it in about 3 hours

[mild river]

that's the one. thanks, kenny

[sharp gale]

Maybe I’m joining you on ovinax I don’t know if 3 m is good starting first set of p2

[tender reef]

Is that the name ? I don't know

Otherwise I have to check later

I was in pug this priest joined I got the message "priest is on your ignore list" I post in group "oh priest is on my ignore that's not a good sign" you have been kicked from the party

[mild river]

hahahaha

[daring light]

so i need 40% haste base before into the fray

that seems a lot, is that even a goal to strive too?

[reef sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/lightninghoof/kelzor
My logs are terrible. It feels like I'm not getting good proc rates for mountain thane, and I'm probably using way too much revenge because it's a bad habit from Classic. Anything about these obviously wrong?

[snow island]

Unfortunate that an addon is needed. This whole time I thought ignoring people automatically made it so you couldn't see each other's group listing etc

[sharp gale]

I have an addon to have a note on people personally

[tender reef]

Too much rage waste and that you should log yourself most your dungeons don't have logs.

Or you meant raids then I don't know

[flat stratus]

meow . sweet reset

[tender reef]

Imagine it was a myth

Gz though

[sharp gale]

I Will be last prio for the neck in guild raid

[tender reef]

Fury's don't get healed

[sharp gale]

More it’s shit stats for fury

[long bone]

How does this make any sense:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hGa4CbwPEngotUCeq6fiDS

Larynx at 639 is still an 8K DPS loss compared to keeping my two Champion trinkets (which suck by the way)

[hoary pivot]

AoE or ST?

[tender reef]

Aoe it looks like

[hoary pivot]

had a similar situation above

[long bone]

AoE, 5 targets, 1 min fight, all buffs except BL

[hoary pivot]

TL;DR was dont sim for aoe

even for m+

and ST should look very different

[tender reef]

Always ST

Aoe is worthless

There's only 1 boss

[neon elk]

Larynx can also highroll which makes it go brrr hard

[deft mortar]

Just go into fray

But muhh SB uptime 😦 mfs are weak

It gives u uptime anyway

Also consider if that 8% haste results with 8% more SS casts

You get 8% more SS rage

Whereas 2 / 19 is about 10.5%

[neon elk]

Idk if thats right interpretation

[deft mortar]

But you get 8% more TC rage as well

[long bone]

Yeah it does. 21K DPS increase on ST. Thanks 🙂

[plain vapor]

you guys rockin with the sikran's endless arsenal trinket? how does it fare compare to the rashan trinket for m+?

[reef sluice]

Is mountain thane less dps than collossus? None of the top parsing prot warriors are mountain thane based on these logs with no thunder blast.

[plain vapor]

seems like it does no damage over the course of a run unless you spam that button on CD, even then its pitiful

[jagged pier]

according to sims thane is ahead after the recent changes

[deft mortar]

Giga doubt that's the case for AoE

[worn flint]

Does anyone know if [Throngus's Finger] is good or crap xD cant find anything about it so i guess crap?

[deft mortar]

Because Thane ain't doing 1M revenge crit spams

And I act sim and play more overall as Colossus

[barren basalt]

saomething weird with colossus sims? my char i simming +15k more dps patchwerk os MT

[deft mortar]

Altho I play Thane for serious keys, the additional survival is far above my rage starved BT colossus build

[jagged pier]

nope

[tender reef]

Obvious yes but less tanky

[jagged pier]

in m+ after the changes they are still about the same

in ST thane should now be more

[tender reef]

🤔 but collos was buffed too no?

[toxic pewter]

colossal might should buff execute damage

[tender reef]

Was playing thane recently

[toxic pewter]

or even shield slam

[jagged pier]

i mean

just go sim colossus and thane execute build

thane simmed higher for me

[tribal wharf]

npc robot players in normal dungeon lol

sitting at the mine cart

trying to get the trinket for quest for moun almost gunna give up

[tender reef]

Can you get the healer trinket as warri?

[jagged pier]

if its wue yer

[tender reef]

Uwu?

[toxic pewter]

what healer trinket

[tender reef]

You need 2 dps and 1 healer trinket

We talking stone vault ?

[hardy snow]

no

[tender reef]

That's what I thought

I have the quest didn't bother doing it

[tribal wharf]

i ran that for 3 hous last night

[tender reef]

Welp do another 3

[tribal wharf]

after i saw the comments and 5% drop rate i turned on the clown music

[tender reef]

[tribal wharf]

knew i was in for an experience

[tender reef]

Mountfarming ain't for the working class

[tulip remnant]

It’s also SV lmao…dying on Machinists bc people are eating crayons is an experience

[hoary pivot]

@strong forum the wowhead guide is inconsistent regarding flasks i think (Consumables section vs Hero Talents section)

[coral wolf]

if im like 623 as fury how much are my stats gunna f me over as prot when doing keys over a 10?

[tribal wharf]

you dont even know how bad it really is

[tender reef]

They dont

[jagged pier]

not at all

[tender reef]

I lvl is king

[coral wolf]

oke so having barley any vers is fine?

[tender reef]

Everything else is worthless

[jagged pier]

yes

[tender reef]

Vers is for nerds u need haste

[coral wolf]

ok

i was getting sick of the waiting around to do keys

[hoary pivot]

haste is best to survive, but you will be fine with that ilvl anyways

[coral wolf]

so might switch to prot for m+ whiles its good

[tender reef]

Enjoy the wiping twice as fast

[coral wolf]

i just get OCD with min maxing thats all

[hoary pivot]

get good at the gameplay, you will manage

[deft mortar]

Haste increases avatar and demo shout uptime

Based

[coral wolf]

what u mean haha

[uneven violet]

is there any detailed Infos/summary on trinkets for prot beside the ones on WH and IV?

[tender reef]

Pugging is cancer and everybody blames you

[coral wolf]

[tender reef]

Others expect you to do everything for the others because you're tank and that's normal

When wipe always your fault

Even fury's come in here and demand that

[coral wolf]

yeah i probs should do more keys with guild but sometimes i dont have that option thats all

[tender reef]

Same

[coral wolf]

pugging is so aids

[tender reef]

I like necrotic and cot

[coral wolf]

ive sat ina group finder today and yday for over 30-40 mins

[tender reef]

The rest is history

[coral wolf]

and i just cant play the game

[tender reef]

That also sucks

[coral wolf]

ive not mega focused on rio

im like 2300

[tender reef]

Need matchmaking que

[coral wolf]

but i cant even get a dungeon for a 9 mists

[tender reef]

A guy posted on Reddit, great odea

[coral wolf]

a group that is

[tender reef]

Like dungeonfinder but for m+

[coral wolf]

yeah probs idk theres negatives and positives to both

[tender reef]

Well can't get much worse

[real fossil]

Take the mmo out of the mmo!?!

[coral wolf]

we just have to much info on people

i think is the main issues

people will see of theyve only done a 7 mists

no way they can do a 9 mists

[real fossil]

Push up your own key and be selective about who you invite

[coral wolf]

yeah your late to the covo its cos im a fury main and cant get groups so switchng to prot in m+

[old heron]

wouldnt want it any other way, had way too many encounters with (mostly) dps who just ignore everything on the floor, frontals, what not, and to be fair, dont have time to waste on them

[snow island]

The problem with solo queue m+ is queue times outside of the first 2 weeks of a tier are gonna be gargantuan

[coral wolf]

^

that too

they just need to remove some of the information

have a rio score

but i guess websites would just track it anyway

you cant win

[real fossil]

You need to use the info yourself or it’s a bad time

Be part of the problem!

[coral wolf]

yeah

i just need to try and get in more guild groups

[old heron]

idk maybe they should show general % of avoided damage, interrupts taken, stuff like that - maybe it enhances people to perform well on these subjects. rio doesnt say it all - you could have been carried, you got the score, now all of a sudden youre good? nah

score is somehow holy

because it infers info, but its not guaranteed

[real fossil]

Have you listed your own key recently or do you mostly pug into groups

[coral wolf]

ive listed my key as fury today and yday

but waiting 30+ mins

[real fossil]

No healer signs up?

[coral wolf]

nah

[snow island]

True. maybe I'm just lazy but I also don't want to parse through all of that info per applicant tbh

[old heron]

same

[primal narwhal]

i did as best as i could for princess. no way am i beating the 100s lmao

[snow island]

How often were you pressing ignore pain on that pull? I'm brand new to prot and it feels like unless I'm overgeared enough to not need the defensive rage spending I do 0 dam

[hoary pivot]

Do you have globals to spend on dumping more rage into damage?

[deft mortar]

Probably has a pumper group too

[sudden kelp]

Hi, do we use Swarm trinket on cd or there's moments to hold it ?

[deft mortar]

Faster the fight higher the overall..

[tribal pike]

Question for first boss of dawn breaker do you guys use reflect on shadow bolt or when she does the lines? Is it worth to save for lines rather than reflecting shadow bolt?

[hoary pivot]

for the lines it is just another defensive right?

[tribal pike]

Yeah but I feel like our defensive are a bit too long for when the next lines come up or we just get smacked if no defensive is up

[snow island]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I think the answer is no? I press ignore pain when I'm not going over the 2.5m limit or when it's about to expire.

[hoary pivot]

For Mountain Thane, you want to dump rage above like 70 into IP always, no matter if it is capped or not

[hoary pivot]

But we should have enough defensives with Shield Wall, Spell Block, Last Stand, Demo Shout

[barren belfry]

doo we looot vault as fury or prot

[snow island]

Oh shit okay, tyty

[barren belfry]

always goood too get queen hc ring out oof vault 🙂

[hoary pivot]

Anger Management, Indomitable and Violent Outburst make it so we just want to spend as much rage as possible

[tribal pike]

I mean shield block is 3.5 and spell block is 1.5 with last stand 3 mins, not sure if smart to pop all 3 big cds for it lol

[sterile trellis]

I've done a 13 dawn where I live with just a full ignore pain

Usually you have demo shout for it too which is good enough

[hoary pivot]

Shield Wall as well and that has a very low effective cooldown

[native girder]

Meh

on paper void pactstone dosnt seem bad

[neat parrot]

The 11 to 12 jump is crazy, when you have all 11's timed and some of them 2 chest and you dont get invited, its like wall you gotta break till you do 1-2 12's, just me or anyone else hit this wall ?

[wicked pollen]

going from 11 to 12 while 10 ilevel undergeared and not playing tank is a nightmare

[sterile trellis]

Just gotta list your own key if you're below the curve

[neat parrot]

im 625 2.744 io and i dont get a single inv in 12's. with 4 11's 2 chested

its crazy

[hoary pivot]

Not very good in ST, the proc damage is pretty weak

[native girder]

Just checked my log on m+ its around 30-40% uptime

so its very low

not worth

(tryed with a lower one)

[wicked bloom]

Is there a spreadsheet for abilities that should be intervened?

[raven knoll]

beste race rn for m+? or where can i find info for the differnces and how big tthey are?

[ionic nimbus]

Dwarf

[charred palm]

anyone else have the issue in siege with the 3rd boss teleporting you to him during the waves intermission?

[quasi pivot]

Tanks, dwarf. DPS, nelf as usual. Melding mechanics is just too broken.

[native girder]

soon Dracthyr xD

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah for dps nelf is big

[charred palm]

https://streamable.com/scvewl

like what the fuck is this

[ionic nimbus]

Ass tank can be good for the lulz aswell

[native girder]

dont jump on the fountain

its bugged

[charred palm]

so dumb

[ionic nimbus]

Despawning Boss is much worse

[native girder]

lucky you yep

usually it despawn

[charred palm]

i also hate how they overlap those fucking mechanics

like wh yd othey do tidal surge with the aoe at the same time

i feel like these devs do not think about any of this

like theres no reason for that aoe splash to overlap with the tidal mechanic

[turbid shuttle]

Skill issue. Be aware of where you're pointing so your group still has room during the overlap

Least terrible boss in that dungeon tbh. It's kinda good even.

[tender reef]

Yes

Go play Classic

[vale karma]

how much haste do you need to make into the fray work?

[tender reef]

I always use it

[past cape]

I just started to play tank for the first time and went with prot warrior cus they are sick af. My vault is not super nice so just wonder. Is this trinket good? Found nothing on wowhead so dont know what to look for

[vale karma]

do you have 100% uptime? in combat

[turbid shuttle]

Just run HR. If you run ITF you will drop shield block like a bad.

[long bronze]

no

[past cape]

Aight

[tender reef]

Uptime of what ? SB? Nah more like 90-95

[rustic galleon]

can i put dawnthread lining on a shield ?

[tender reef]

Put gem laswr

It's gem laser

[rugged sable]

So for this weekly Heroic Cache, do you risk opening as prot for trinkets? (M+ only enjoyer) w/ crafted shield

[tender reef]

Yes

U need weapon and shield as mythic so u can 639 them

[vale karma]

does cache give myth track items?

[harsh trellis]

Hey for Queen Ans.... Liquify/feast only happens 3 times, is that it?

[tender reef]

Yes

Depends on your vault thought what you did the week

[grim grotto]

i know playing off trinkets is usually the way to go , but i look for best defensive trinkets for me. is Silken Chain Weaver the only deff trinket from m+?

[long bronze]

I mean it'll be heroic gear only so if you're not looking for a shield (because you have crafted) or a 1h, open as arms? There's always a chance you'll loot a spot that sucks for you (arms 2h, prot shield/trinkets) etc etc

[vale karma]

is doing 10s m+ enough?

for myth track

from cache

[long bronze]

you need 10 or greater for myth vault

2/4/8 finished for each slot

sorry its 1/4/8

[vale karma]

y y, from the qeust?

[brazen flax]

Yo, for M+, what is the preferred embellishment? Some resources say Elemental Focusing Lens, while others say Dawn-/Duskthread Lining.

[vale karma]

Kenny is saying you get myth track item from the complete 4 dungeons quest

[pallid quiver]

The people recommending Lens don't have confidence in staying above 80%, which isn't the case even in higher keys; you'll still generally stay above 80% even when being hit hard; you'll just spike more sometimes.

The threads are better overall performance wise, since Lens is really only an ST option iirc

[hoary pivot]

Lense does not do a lot of damage, embellishments are generally not very impactful. Go for the threads for some offense and defense.

[pallid quiver]

Silken Chain isn't even from M+ if you mean the attack slow one. That's from delves.

[brazen flax]

Elemtenal Focusing Lens sims higher as well though

[grim grotto]

ah. true. are there any other except from raid?

[pallid quiver]

There's Throngus' Finger, but it's not particularly amazing

[lean veldt]

Hi, I have a question: how important is it to have versatility as a tank this season? I only have 3% at the moment because I almost only have Crit has equip on. Should I change something about it or can I neglect it

[hoary pivot]

Does not matter, secondaries are fluff. Haste is slightly less fluff.

[long bronze]

literally just pick one you will not tell the difference embellishments are so low impact and so close to each other, save yourself the trouble and choose one, it doesn't matter. Thread has defensive value, lens has none

[pallid quiver]

bis gear almost completely neglects it, since haste and crit don't hit any caps that make investing into other stats heavily worth it.

That being said, if you fucking hate crit, vers is fine, too

They're almost the same value; crit just averages more damage over time while providing a similar defensive benefit in most scenarios

[drifting crescent]

what should the haste cap be on prot?

im currently on 33%

[tender reef]

Oh no you get myth track in vault

[long bronze]

there isn't one you need to worry about

[tender reef]

I don't know what dungeon quest is

Do 4x 10er and u get a second slot for myth

[long bronze]

also the % is unless because you have talents that give you raw % haste that ignore any DR breakpoints

I have 20539 haste unbuffed and I want more

[neon elk]

There is curentky weekly Q , complete 4 mythic dung( any diff) to get random HC item .

[tender reef]

Oh yeah I didn't even log in yet

I was at vault

[vale karma]

oh, the guy was asking about the heroic cache I think? that's why I got confused

[wicked pollen]

cache deez

[vale karma]

nuts?

[wicked pollen]

balls

[pallid quiver]

I'm not a very good catcher, though

[sterile trellis]

Which loot spec gives best chance at queen ring?

[tender reef]

Just close your eyes and let it flow down

[wicked pollen]

probably arms

[pallid quiver]

Probably arms, but you'd need to see what gives the least overall

[wicked pollen]

well you remove 2 categories

so arms

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty positive it's Arms, actually, based on 1Hs and Shields in raid

[sterile trellis]

True

[vale karma]

can furry roll 2h?

[high wyvern]

finally a big boy shield i give up trying to roll for weapons in this game, shoulda just craft both weapons to start with

[pallid quiver]

Fury is never the call for looking for specific non-1H stuff

[tender reef]

Wrong embellished

Delete shield start new

[sterile trellis]

I got a fat box this week 🙂

[pallid quiver]

i mean the vers thread is fine

[drifting crescent]

Which one do I put in? without upgrading it currently

[pallid quiver]

especially if it's cheaper

[hoary pivot]

Threads are all fine

[tender reef]

Gem laser

Laser gems

[vale karma]

left neck clearly says NOT BIS, so use the other one

[pallid quiver]

You can sim to find what you should rock with your stats

But it's a non-zero chance to be the haste neck

[tender reef]

Right one says the same

[pallid quiver]

but it's really a sim angle

[vale karma]

oh right

dang

[tender reef]

[high wyvern]

u got me tight

thought i got wrong embel

[edgy bone]

@strong forum I'm looking to smooth out my gameplay in +13-14s. What are some of the biggest mistakes you see prot warriors making at the higher level of M+? What separates the good ones from great ones

[high wyvern]

Do you guys craft both weapons and shield?

[tender reef]

U did

[high wyvern]

???

[tender reef]

M11 and M12

[tender reef]

Gem laser

[high wyvern]

cant tell if im getting bamboozled

[tender reef]

Ur not

[edgy bone]

What is m11 and m12

[tender reef]

It comes before 13 and 14

[high wyvern]

What is gem laser

[tawdry cloak]

Duskthread lining is correct

[tender reef]

Embellishment

[edgy bone]

What happens when everything is timed on +12

[tender reef]

You already are great

[high wyvern]

But wowhead guide told me go craft duskthread lining

[jagged pier]

feedback is based on u alone and how u play we will need logs

[edgy bone]

Ok ty

[tender reef]

You stopped reading too soon

[high wyvern]

It still say duskthread lining as the #1 option?

[edgy bone]

What about binding of binding

Surely that's better than a dawn/dusk thread

If you have a partner

[high wyvern]

Are you saying go elemental focusing lens for pure single target

That seemed troll

[long bronze]

Are you trolling? It says, literally right there EXACTLY what to do

I'm not sure its possible for it to be more clear

[wicked pollen]

have you never read a single thing this guy typed before

[tender reef]

It's not a ranking

[wicked pollen]

yoda 🐑

[tender reef]

And yes says right there

[high wyvern]

Ah okay

[tender reef]

Depending on gear for the dusk

Gem for dos

Also Gio shove your disrespect

[high wyvern]

Whats your problem

[tender reef]

He mad he put wrong embellished on it

[high wyvern]

Unlucky

[long bronze]

@strong forum please consider adjusting the wowhead guide to have embellishments a bullet list and not a numbered list if this is something people are assuming

[tribal wharf]

why is the reason i dont play as templar ppaladin

something to do with you die

but it was pretty vague

trying other tanks

[spare basin]

spare

[pallid quiver]

You give up one of your defensives (Eye of Tyr) to fuel Templar's main gameplay loop

[jovial saffron]

what's my next upgrade here friends? the back, a ring or i craft shield?

[tribal wharf]

cuz, its the shield slam they have is also shield block (im talking out ass slightly) and you cant let that buff drop like shield block

[long bronze]

shield

[high wyvern]

get a big boi shield

[pallid quiver]

Also, I'm not sure how you read 1. Dawn or Duskthread x2 as wrong embel

I literally can't see it

Threads are better than lens since they do more damage the instant a second target is introduced, and there's few fights right now that are pure ST

[tribal wharf]

i strongly dislike having to enchant the weapon once per hour

and having to select other tartgets for the smith one

[jovial saffron]

oh yeah

[tribal wharf]

but i cant be bothered to storm sheidlsd internve

[pallid quiver]

You can default to selecting yourself, and it will automatically give someone else the buff depending on distance and role

It's not optimal, but being optimal also requires you to know who swings the fastest

[high wyvern]

im getting mixed message about embel

[pallid quiver]

Threads are bis as long as your play isn't ass

Don't listen to anyone else who says otherwise, as you can sim to see the difference;

[tribal wharf]

this is how i taking my paladin atm

like it or no

[pallid quiver]

Like mentioned above, lens does outperform in pure ST, but pure ST is like, 2 fights this season in raid

[high wyvern]

since i do mostly M+, i would think threads are better

[neon elk]

Threads are way to go , what stats thats on your sim, its kinda w/e as embels do very little tbf

[pallid quiver]

With Sikran and Princess being the fights

[high wyvern]

thx for the clarifications

[chilly brook]

Yogi you know this is Skyhold and not Hammer of Wrath right?

[tender reef]

Secondary stats are kinda worthless and gem gives around 1.5% DPS so with 2 you got like 3% more.

If you are vers stacking then that's your thing and more vers obviously better but vers stacking is for nerds

[plush brook]

Guys, I have 20k haste raw, just tried out the ItF+BSV-build.

I get that I’m losing two stamina-nodes compared to the HR-build I’m normally playing, but I just feel soooooo squishy.

Anyone else had that experience? My SB-uptime was good, about 90-95, so don’t think it’s that.

Could it be that the ItF-build goes Fueled by Violence instead of extra ignore pain?

This was in an 11

[ionic adder]

hi, i have 619 sac and 606 swarmlord trinket, do i take trinket or myth hands ?

[pallid quiver]

The, uh,

what build?

to grab ITF and BSV, you shouldn't be losing any stat nodes, no matter how you go about it

[chilly brook]

Could be a lot of things, uptime doesn’t always mean blocked hits btw

[long bronze]

you can literally just play the wowhead talents and swap HR to ITF?

[pallid quiver]

Stam doesn't even make you feel tankier, either

[chilly brook]

Also that

[high wyvern]

idk whos right

fk it i aint re-crafting my shield

[neon elk]

How are secondary stats worthless ? Last time i checked ive had haste realy close to str , which is our main stat.

Also stacking vers meme aside , it may vary, my vers sims higher than my crit for example, and both crit and vers outsims gem on MT

[pallid quiver]

You can directly ask Nome or sim yourself to see

[cursive leaf]

it is worth it?

[long bronze]

have you tried simming it?

[high wyvern]

sim say gems are slightly ahead on ST, but in AoE (which i do M+ for the most part), dusk pull quite a bit ahead

but not sure how to factor in dusk uptime

[tender reef]

single target is only what counts

[pallid quiver]

mega cap

[chilly brook]

I’m assuming it’s a bit of hyperbole, people tend to worry way too much about secondary stats

[hoary pivot]

dusk also has defensive value

[tender reef]

vers nerds

[hoary pivot]

which the lense does not

[pallid quiver]

Especially considering how little Lens is ahead

[pallid quiver]

bro there's a fucking crit thread
Your "lmao nerds" comment is pathetic with that in mind.

[tender reef]

nobody uses the crit

[tender reef]

sorry is this crit?

[neon elk]

Yea worring too much about them and calling them useles are 2 completly different things also his takes are kinda .. well

[high wyvern]

just curious why only ST matters?

[tender reef]

yes doent matter which one you take, but gem laser still ahead

[cursive leaf]

it is worth it guys? I have to forfeit 5% haste for it..

[tender reef]

because in aoe its the dps job to do dmg, you count in the bossfights

[neon elk]

U already have it crafted right ? Go do a dungeon , u can check uptime after .

Also u said u do m+ mostly , ask yourself , how much % of your regular m+ is pure ST?

[pallid quiver]

It's mega bis

[fallow hinge]

when do you want to go into the fray instead of heavy repercussions?

[simple drum]

Sim it ape

[tender reef]

depends on your play style what you prefer

[pallid quiver]

With proper play, you actually very rarely drop below 80%; it's a bigger threshold than you think, especially with Prot War's toolkit

[long bronze]

its BiS for DPS, your call if you want to lose the haste from a surv standpoint for it

[chilly brook]

Brother when I finish an aoe pack at 2m dps I don’t think my damage in aoe “doesn’t matter”

[tender reef]

it doesnt matter on the timer youre not going to be nr.1 in dps when that happens and if you do your team sucks

[fallow hinge]

so there is no breakpoint for haste where into the fray performs better?

[pallid quiver]

You also have trickle healing that should always be coming in from your own leech, indom, and healer hots like Healing Rain/Regrowth/Rejuv/Mists/etc

[chilly brook]

You’re not going to be number one on bosses either????

[tender reef]

well yes around 30% haste is into the fray better because of soft caps, but if you play better with more haste you play better with into the fray at lower haste

[chilly brook]

That answer is stupid

[tender reef]

how

[high wyvern]

Hmm interesting so you say our aoe dps doesnt really matter? Just let DPS handle aoe?

[chilly brook]

And of course it matters on the timer

[tender reef]

oh youre at the different point

dont listen to him vhexx

[chilly brook]

Because the same logic applies to single target

[tender reef]

no it doesnt

[chilly brook]

Yes it does

[tender reef]

he doesnt do 2m dps on single

gotcha

nerd

[chilly brook]

“It doesn’t matter on the timer” “you’re not going to finish nr.1”

[neon elk]

Ngl im kinda sad for people that take your advices seriously

[chilly brook]

Literally same could be said on single target

[tender reef]

and how much are you above 80% hp when you do a pull bug enough to do 2m dps

[chilly brook]

I’m not dying so who cares

[tender reef]

you need to be above 80 for the vers lmao

[chilly brook]

My health is always a yo-yo tho because brewmaster

[tender reef]

then why you in a prot discord

what the mel

lmao

[chilly brook]

Why are you fucking still on this vers shit

[tender reef]

then what are you on about

[chilly brook]

That your statement is silly

[tender reef]

which one

[chilly brook]

SMH I’m not repeating myself again

[neon elk]

All of them xd

[inner wren]

Let’s all reroll brewmaster

[tender reef]

yeah lets go brewmaster so the 80% vers buff never applies but makes us feel better about our self

because big numbers in aoe

based

[high wyvern]

So vers is bad now?

[tender reef]

nah its just not good

go have griff explain you how his vers only build is the best

lmao

[chilly brook]

Bro using some silly buff item to justify his shit takes

[tender reef]

hes really smart

[nocturne spindle]

checked soem random key i did and it had 77% uptime so

[long bronze]

Lens is good, dawnthread is good, dusk thread is good, their differences are in the noise of your damage. Just stop with this trolling, pick what you want, stop flaming anyone for not picking what you think is best

[tender reef]

but did you do 2m aoe dps ?

[chilly brook]

Typical furry

[pallid quiver]

It's pretty close to on par with crit; crit just usually outdamages vers. iirc bis setup uses vers threads because it gains value when you gain enough crit, so the rating increase is a larger effective gain for less number

[high wyvern]

[tender reef]

but thats ILVL 635 and up

and not 605

[pallid quiver]

Also, for your question on uptime, this is in a random 13 SV I pulled from Sense's page

[inner wren]

Bros you could go full mastery and I don’t think anyone in here would seriously give a shit

[pallid quiver]

so yeah, it has a non-zero amount of uptime

[neon elk]

How is it not good ?

[tender reef]

never said its not good

i said gem laser

laser gem

https://tenor.com/view/finger-quotes-drevil-austin-powers-gif-4977116026647296917

[chilly brook]

I mean you kinda implied it wasn’t good

[fossil quest]

Hello! What should I get from my vault from these two? I play mainly M+

[high wyvern]

How important is damage reduction from vers? Is it kinda nice or useless

[tender reef]

not as good as the laser gem

[chilly brook]

Not important

[nocturne spindle]

fuck you

but also

hard choice

[pallid quiver]

Pfffffffffffffft, i'd say sim, both are mega bis, but it's probably the ring

[tender reef]

you can call it kinda nice, but it is useless in the big scheme

[chilly brook]

You have to stack a shit ton of vers for a meaningful difference in damage reduction

[tender reef]

yap

i agree with the smart person

[mighty valley]

isn't focusing lens like. literally purely single target

[tender reef]

something must be wrong

[pallid quiver]

Since ring will give more damage from the free proc on top of stats

[long bronze]

sim it, both are very good, neck is what I would choose regardless because it's not giving up any haste and haste is based

[tender reef]

and what would you need?

[pallid quiver]

Yes; it's also only a slight increase over threads in pure ST

[tender reef]

isnt SS also purely single target?

stop using SS guys

lmao

[chilly brook]

Why would you go purely single target in a mixed content use

[tender reef]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-hold-the-mayo-mayo-mayonnaise-the-spongebob-movie-gif-19390365

yeah true dont use shield slam guys

in aoe only thunderclap

[mighty valley]

if shield slam didn't also give rage and extend sb... sure

[neon elk]

Or if it didnt do a fuckton of dmg ..

[tender reef]

dont use execute guys

no more execute

[long bronze]

why are we acting like you're going to see a meaningful difference in your ST DPS with Lens or AOE dps with threads lmao

[tender reef]

execute is banned

you dont

thats the point

[mighty valley]

kenny........................................ are you actually trolling

[chilly brook]

Probably

[hoary pivot]

why is everyone still feeding?

[neon elk]

Most likely

[hoary pivot]

for like an hour

[mighty valley]

we don't use execute with a bunch of targets already, that's the analogy lmao

[tender reef]

point is its better to have more single target dps in a bossfight for the timer than you need "800" vers as AOE BIG PULL bomber

they tell me thats wrong

and stupid

and trolling

i think its the clearest and most obvious thing there is

[chilly brook]

Continues to misrepresent anything that was said, yep clearly trolling

[pallid quiver]

The main issue is that there was someone asking legitimate questions, and the entity in question kept trying to effectively shout them out of getting the help they wanted.

[tender reef]

and a pul big enough to pump numbers your health will be below 80% and destroy your vers buff

which makes their point so bad

i cant even comprehend

but they love it

so

let them

ima get food

[chilly brook]

Bro thinks you need to do a big pull to be well into 1m-2m dps

[neon elk]

If u are a lot below 80% as pwar then u do something wrong ngl

[long bronze]

So play what you want, stop spewing your incorrect rheteric though buddy

[tired forge]

does it make sense to craft a ring with the 4th spark instead of a main stat piece so I can get cheaper crest ring upgrades?

[tender reef]

how is it incorrect

wow im back

what did i say wrong

rhetorically

[pallid quiver]

I don't think crafts affect your upgrades, but I could be wrong on that. Either way, if your embels are set and you've got a wep/shield on myth track or crafted already, catching up gear with sparks is not a bad idea

[long bronze]

that your hp is going to be below 80% regardless of the pull size for any significant amount of time

[chilly brook]

It should

[long bronze]

if you're playing like ass maybe

[tired forge]

its a "bug"

[tender reef]

one bro posted 77% uptime the other 87% so ID SAY it is a pretty big downtime

[long bronze]

you can literally simulate the uptime

[tender reef]

you can literally just check your logs

[neon elk]

What? 13% is a lot of downtime for you? Xd

[pallid quiver]

This combined with the "bug" comment makes a lot of sense, since you can still roll on low ilvl items if you have a crafted piece, which is what I was basing it on

[tender reef]

but maybe youre just ass

[high wyvern]

Im getting a lot of mixed messages about AoE DPS vs ST DPS

[tender reef]

because they see big number and feel good

lel

[chilly brook]

If only sims didn’t exist and you couldn’t like oh idk see which one would be better in dungeons

Man

Imagine

[tender reef]

and gemstone wins

thats why i say its better

nerd

[tired forge]

ya apparently making a 636 ring then recrafting it counts as 2 rings

[tender reef]

yall so fast with the insults, just the facts are lacking

pathetic

[neon elk]

Yea there is that thing when u craft one ring it counts as both so u can then upgrade your next to 636 without crests, most likely bug, but its in game since start

[tired forge]

so im wondering if using a spark on ring makes more sense than a main stat piece like boots/cape/belt

[tender reef]

also funny how both people who crafted the vers embellish get so butthurt about getting called out

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[high wyvern]

I craft vers embel

[tender reef]

yeah its no big difference

and if youre below 630 i lvl it doesnt matter anyway

you wont notice any of those

also i meant lommik the vers nerd and griff the i cant math nerd

just as fyi

[long bronze]

It's really a shame how long this troll is going unmoderated

[high wyvern]

I sim and it say in aoe, dusk pulls quite far ahead. I assumed that in M+ single target isnt very important and the dps difference was quite small

[tender reef]

tell me something i said wrong

[neon elk]

What? Where did i said i crafted it ? All i said was vers isnt as bad as u make it seems , and that it is simming ON ME higher than crit

[pallid quiver]

There's not really much moderation action unless it's really blatantly terrible stuff. Otherwise, it's mostly considered a personal issue

[long bronze]

so you can totally ignore evidence and continue your false rheteric? Nah

[high wyvern]

Am i being trolled with this gem vs dusk

[long bronze]

you are

[pallid quiver]

It may be different in other channels, but I don't leave prot land enough to know

[tender reef]

you keep saying false rhetoric without providing evidence, you also keep calling me a troll while you do the trolling by stated behaivour @long bronze

git gut

very sadge pepego

[neon elk]

What did i said wrong ?

[tender reef]

i dont talk to you

[high wyvern]

Can we get WoWHead author in here to clarify

[neon elk]

U mentioned me before, so answer to it at least, if u have anything to say

[pallid quiver]

You can feel free to ping Nomeratur if you'd like

[tender reef]

i forgot

[pallid quiver]

That's the Wowhead author, by the way, and our main TC

Mwahi's been a bit more silent this season

[tender reef]

he sleeping you can DM him too but he will tell you too that it doesnt matter 😄 E;!i bet on it!

[pallid quiver]

i miss seeing mwahi ;-;

[mighty valley]

there's more aoe than st in keys, and thread sims better there. however at the bleeding edge keys, it's possible that bosses become the real blockers and st damage matters more. idk i don't do them. either way it's really a tiny part of your power so don't stress too much about either one. the end

[long bronze]

funny I already said it doesn't matter, you said it doesn't matter but flame anyone who doesn't agree lens is the best answer always

interesting

[deft mortar]

Yall argue too much about 1% of your overall

[tender reef]

wow both harrow and trrrriple change their storys

okay

[neon elk]

So now they doesnt matter instead of "wrong embel" interesting

[tender reef]

im the troll here

[pallid quiver]

I only remotely care because there's a player looking for help who's getting shouted out

[deft mortar]

Ur DPSers will fail you at the end either way

[tender reef]

yes in the end nothing matters, gem laser still better

[long bronze]

#protection message yep changed my story alright

[mighty valley]

i came in halfway through when you were saying that aoe dps doesn't matter lmao

[neon elk]

But how is it better, explain

[tender reef]

more dmg when u need it

how is that so hard to grasp

[neon elk]

U always need more dmg

[tender reef]

yes but youre NOT ALWAYS ABOVE 80°°°°°°°°°°°°

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

gottem

[deft mortar]

Whoever said that is a wrong

[tender reef]

gg

[neon elk]

U save more time on pack = u can afford to waste more on boss

[tender reef]

thats why everybody plays aoe builds in keys

oh wait

[neon elk]

And u are not always at ST

[tender reef]

but you still do ST dmg in aoe packs

oh wow crazy concept

so crazy im crazy

[neon elk]

Yea and thread is better there

[deft mortar]

Why is 25% of your overall TC or if you are colossus, Revenge buddy

If ST is it

[tender reef]

overall on a bossfight?

[deft mortar]

Overall the whole goddamn dungeon

Who cares about boss fight overalls lmfao

[neon elk]

Just because u do ST in aoe doesnt mean it always wins , u can do execute in packs, u dont do that all the time..

[tender reef]

doesnt make any sense of course you make more dmg in aoe

thats why you need to buff your ST

[deft mortar]

Yes

[high wyvern]

We dont?

[tender reef]

i dont know any, coulndt tell ya if i tried

[deft mortar]

So if you take 5% dmg to what consists majority of your overall you will go ahead

It's basic arithmetic

[tender reef]

so 800 vers is 5% mroe dmg ?

[deft mortar]

Where tf did 800 vers come in lmfao

[tender reef]

from the embellish we talk about

you also need to be over 80 percent hp

[smoky anvil]

Embellishment yapping

[tender reef]

if youre below its 0

so how many AOE BIG PUILLS you got where your hp stays above 80

copium

[mighty valley]

lots according to the sense log we just looked at

[tender reef]

deluxe

the 77% one ?

[mighty valley]

88%

[tender reef]

thats 23% of the dungeon with 0

thats 12% of the dungeon with 0

and at the times where yo need it the most

yall just mad you crafted it

that was fun i get some food

[edgy bone]

I'm with you

[mighty valley]

as opposed to spending the vast majority of the key with multiple targets with just a single target effect

[deft mortar]

Ah yeah idgaf about thats

[mighty valley]

oh well

anyway it's like a percent or less

[edgy bone]

Binding of Binding is the real best embellishment

[tender reef]

and gem laser is 3%

haha

[high wyvern]

my bad guys i started this

[tender reef]

won

gg

[edgy bone]

If you have a permanent duo partner

[deft mortar]

I don't give a fuck about crafting or embellish

[mighty valley]

gem laser is way less than 3% of your overall in a key

[deft mortar]

It's all some Minecraft shit

[mighty valley]

wait why are you calling it gem laser

why have i started calling it gem laser

[long bronze]

the real comedy here is the guy trolling has one timed 10 and hasn't killed a raid boss

[fresh wyvern]

Hi all. Weekly chest mythic track. Should I take chest or weapon? I pretty much only do m+ and want to optimise for end of season rather than right now (clearing 10's ok). Thought weapon but the one I have in the chest is engorged worm smasher (haste verse) so maybe I should hold out for crit/haste. And there are a lot more weapons than chests in the current dungeon pool, so maybe I am more likely to roll weapon again in the future?

[deft mortar]

In fact I also gem stamina because I also dgaf about gemming

[high wyvern]

If people are really trolling shouldnt mods do something

[long bronze]

yep they should

[deft mortar]

Still prbbaly better than 99% of the tanks kekw

[smoky anvil]

Myth track weapon way stronger than chest, long season, grab weap, do bigly damage, grats on nice pull

[mighty valley]

can't really prove it's trolling if it's someone just being annoying

[tender reef]

yah youre right its 1.55% still higher than 1 so i still win

[velvet lava]

question, is the sheild from black temple with the proc for armor really decent (hero track)

[tender reef]

yall be madge

nerds

[pallid quiver]

This is generally a key part of a lot of mod decisions; this is just part of the culture of WoW as a whole. They're not here to culture police, they're here to solve actual problems, like blatant bigotry being spread.

[smoky anvil]

No. 😦

[swift veldt]

Hi everyone! Is 2 set worth rushing for the damage reduction? I'm fresh to playing prot and when i've went for hc i was literally 1shot by Kyveza if i pressed defensive wrong. I have 2 hero offpieces on me and now i have set chest in vault and thinking if i should rush it before doing any raids

[pallid quiver]

not really, no

Shields with proper stats and setups will be better

[tender reef]

like the hate you spread on me for being right

you guys should learn to accept being wrong

[pallid quiver]

no, our tier is actually pretty poo poo

[tender reef]

it builds character

[velvet lava]

thanks ❤️ thought i do a rain check on it

[long bronze]

the irony is deafening

[tender reef]

use more words you dont know what they mean

makes you appear very smort

[pallid quiver]

You'll just need to manage your defensives better for princess; it helps that you always have def stance, plus spell reflect will always be up for each tank buster you need to tank

[tardy abyss]

And thats why you never feed the troll

[high wyvern]

Okay with how hes speaking

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block also works on the dot left by the tank buster as well, as a heads up

[high wyvern]

Hes baiting

🐟🎣

[velvet lava]

thought the armor proc would be more benefitual for our armor role 😅 but thanks for the answer

[fresh wyvern]

Thanks! Will eat and have a think. You're probably right

[tender reef]

oh sorry do they keep insulting you and providing no facts ?

wow

[hoary pivot]

whyyy are people still feeding

[tender reef]

thanks for the backstab butterer wont try to help you again

enjoy your pro gamer friends advice

[deft mortar]

In fact check my Raider IO and get mad at my gems/enchants/secondary stats pls: https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Bigmuscleman

[pallid quiver]

It's nice, but isn't up often and we have strong active mitigation tools, from SB+IP combo to frequent defensive use

[barren belfry]

court trinket good for dps?

court and ara bis?

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

what trinket from court, i only really know them by name

[long bronze]

the scarab? no

[high wyvern]

This isnt how you debate in a civil manner and you know it

[tender reef]

gems are expensive, cant see anything bad

[high wyvern]

But it is what it is

[barren belfry]

why do so many people use it then?

[deft mortar]

I got haste/vers rings CRAFTED lol

[tender reef]

wow thats just rhetorically incorrect statement nice try

[pallid quiver]

I'd prefer to not see screenshots of ad hominem attacks, but I do respect calling such fallacious arguments out.

[dusky canopy]

Yall going to be so mad when you see I have a stam gem equipped to get the extra 2% speed

[pallid quiver]

It's a defensive trinket that shows up very well on the meters

[high wyvern]

Im putting stamina gems on all my slots from now on

[deft mortar]

Based

[turbid shuttle]

Embellishments are too ineffectual to give this much of a shit about. Prio DPS is worth more than aoe pad because it actually makes you progress the dungeon faster (killing smallies faster just to take same time on big mob is irrelevant). Thread gives defensive benefit not just damage. In the end it really doesn't matter. Flip a coin and it will never make or break any key you run.

[long bronze]

what do you mean so many people?
mythic sikran for example

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-walker-bill-nye-speed-walking-walking-hurry-gif-27331445

Based.

[tender reef]

thats just trolling, wow

guys ignore this dude he says the same thing i did

hes trolling

[pallid quiver]

It's a lot harder to tell how much something like silken chain, which reduces the amount you're even hit by 15%, is doing for your survival in comparison

[dusky canopy]

Freaky fast

[swift veldt]

Oh, well :/ i have nothing fancy in vault so im taking the chest anyways will do normal in case of getting head/hands set piece. Maybe i will get lucky and get from 0 to 4 set

[deft mortar]

Some say what's another 250 stamina when you have 500k. I say that's 0.05% extra stamina

[pallid quiver]

He likely means in high M+, where tanks can see actual scary damage output, especially if misplays are encountered

[deft mortar]

5 bps stamina goes hard

[high wyvern]

Im so close to 30% haste cant wait to switch to ITF

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

Number go up

[deft mortar]

Fr

[pallid quiver]

based

[high wyvern]

Big health = good

[deft mortar]

I actually have 7k time walking stamina trinket that's 554 ilvl but I only equip it for special occasions

[pallid quiver]

I'm that way with other stats

if i had sockets to socket things with, i ain't dropping 30k for gems

[long bronze]

ah yeah its basically just because it's the only defensive option that shows on meters like @pallid quiver said

[deft mortar]

I did drop 10k to buy sockets

Just to put 250 Stam on them

[onyx vessel]

stam enjoyer

[long bronze]

chainweaver is better from a pure defensive standpoint (by a lot) but its harder to get on a decent track and it's invisible on meters basically

[deft mortar]

I got all the Stam talents

I am sure what I loose is better

[velvet lava]

do you have the stam trinkets 😉

[deft mortar]

I did Ulduar, didn't drop

[onyx vessel]

whats stam gonna do if you just die anyways

[deft mortar]

So I got 554 time walking Stam trinkets

I don't equip tho

I also like ilvl to go up

[onyx vessel]

[deft mortar]

With those two on, I get 17k more stam

Like 700k hp

I'd sit at 11.5M unbuffed

[deft mortar]

At Mythic 10 City of Threads last boss I just take the hit

I ain't playing that root game

[tired forge]

in 10 cot you can do that in battle stance i imagine lol

[dusky canopy]

Tbh on that last boss I just reflect damage and instantly pop the roots for my team with my aoe

Aligns perfectly if you time it right

Wait I’m fury this is Prot chat

[long bronze]

its kinda the same though

[deft mortar]

I Stormbolt my pre healers root so he dies

KEKW

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[deft mortar]

He does some druid shit to live anyway

In Grim Batol 11 I spammed execute on our retri who got mind controlled

If you get hit by that I am not letting that slide

[long bronze]

oh you mean city of echos

ara-kara

[deft mortar]

Ah mb I confuse those constsntly

[long bronze]

last boss city of threads has a root too so took me a min

[deft mortar]

The one that succ u in and explode

[tired forge]

oooo ya i thought you meant COT lol

that makes more sense now

[long bronze]

almost as bad as the nelth's lair and neltharus season

[high wyvern]

What other mechanics are important to intervene on aside from NW first boss retch, and fixate mechanics?

[long bronze]

I can't spell apparently

you can intervene bolts that aren't gonna get kicked if you're playing storm shield

[tardy abyss]

Can also use it every now and then when someone has a magic dot on them

[deft mortar]

Wait like spirit bolt in Mists 1st boss?

[long bronze]

I personally think storm bolts is the better talent until you get to higher keys unless you're actually intervening people regularly

[deft mortar]

If so that's sick

I like that too

But stun Dr's is annoting

[dusky canopy]

Shadow lands Lego

[left beacon]

is there a good haste level where swapping to into the fray feels nice?

[long bronze]

depends on what you mean by nice

[left beacon]

I dont know, i havent tried it yet, i just get worried those small moments where shield block isn't up i will get trucked

[long bronze]

ITF requires you to be a bit more active, and you will have some SB downtime regardless especially if you have a ranged heavy comp on single target

you do have other cds for those moments

[edgy bone]

Agree

[long bronze]

I play ITF and I have 20k haste unbuffed

[left beacon]

Yea i'm at 15k

[edgy bone]

Storm shield is only 500k magic shield

[tardy abyss]

500k your healer doesnt have to heal or could save someone

[grim pilot]

It should be buffed

500k is pretty piss

I still prefer it over sb talent

But 8% shield is funny

[long bronze]

you lose nothing by trying it out and seeing how it feels

[strong forum]

general rotational play, not using SR or SW often enough

[left beacon]

Yea I guess i can give it a whirl

[strong forum]

giving someone free magic absorb every 30seconds is quite sick if you ask me

[turbid shuttle]

500k is 10% of a DPS hp. A 10% external on a 30s cooldown is not bad, and there's a fuck ton of use cases in these dungeons

[high wyvern]

pls settle this gems vs dusk debate for M+, it was a huge topic earlier

[strong forum]

[long bronze]

somebody was trolling, there's really not much to settle

[strong forum]

generally dusk/dawn for m+
elemental lense for raid

yeah thats what i saw

also its embellishs

theyre all piss weak this expansion

i dont have a single one as prot cuz mine are for arms raiding xd

[long bronze]

banned from farming 100s

hard knock life

[strong forum]

i get em without embellishs dont you worry

[long bronze]

naturally

[turbid shuttle]

Just an example, in dawnbreaker. Pre-first boss there's a magic damage channel. 1st boss has a magic dot when you dispel. After 1st boss trash has multiple magic damage channels. 2nd boss has a magic damage channel. Miniboss before last boss has a magic damage channel. Last boss has a magic damage dot.

Literally every phase of the dungeon has something you can use it on to prevent deaths.

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

and its literally free!

whereas triple stormbolt can fuck over others

• increased cooldown

[long bronze]

unless you intervene somebody and get hit in the ass

[turbid shuttle]

GCD, but Yea other than that

[long bronze]

[strong forum]

thats a skilliossue

[strong forum]

its offgcd

[pallid quiver]

just wait 'til S2, where they overtune the hell out of a new introduced embel

[long bronze]

it always is

[pallid quiver]

only to nerf it right before M raid release

[turbid shuttle]

Oh mb

[strong forum]

[maiden meadow]

Hey all, does anyone know the place to go to m+ teams that are recruiting? Alot of what's on raiderio is outdated

Find*

[barren belfry]

so what would be the 2 trinket we use in m+? raid is something like ara and sikran trinket?

[maiden meadow]

Sac brood and court trinket

@barren belfry

[long bronze]

court trinket ehhh

[barren belfry]

well on murlok its the second most used for m+

[long bronze]

Maybe it has actual value in really high keys but certainly not for general keys

[high wyvern]

how did u know which mechanics to intervene? just experiences?