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myth belt
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cuz sockets are alot weaker
given that you get 6 sockets perma
and that a 636 costs 90 crests
so nom you gonna use it on your warrior when dps? 
waiting for m+ streamer
If you're not a brokie ;-;
to label it bis
but upgrading 623 to 639 is only 75 crests
6 sockets insta is the best thing they’ve ever done

10%?
it makes it so all rings are viable
Got it ty. Wasn’t sure because of it being mastery vs crafted being whatever I want
Yes!!! So good
i mean trrriple
I like this part, but I don't like that it exposes me for being a broke mother fucker
its 0.2% of a stat vs 200 stam
💯
That's like 30k for all those sockets
I know I was certain I would be ridiculed if I put a stam gem in my gear
Lose 150 secondaries and gain 2 whole % speed
aint no one lookin bro
SIGN ME UP
I only look if you're a Prot Warrior in def stance
maybe by someone who didnt use critical thinking
but breh
Because then I gotta go "smh bitch detected"

I'll be at 123% speed in raid talents on warrior now and I think 119% on my dk
lets go
larynx
Except for gaining 10% movespees for M+
eeeh
ngl i am so done with rando dps dying I'll only play with DKs and Warlocks
And force them to get +20% stamina talent
Kek
if they dont play veteran theyre trolling
how can I simulate how much dam I get from the one extra global in melee range vs the stats I lose 
Never pug full meta comp
Warning bit of a vent session here. Was tanking a +10 Ara earlier today. I have already timed a 10, so was just using it for fun and chasing the trinket. All was smooth and we was flying through it until we hit the gauntlet. I have seen this gauntlet go sideways waaay too easily, so I am more reserved with my pulls there. The DPS was telling me to go, and chain pulls harder. I asked if either of them had a shield and wanted to tank, which is redundant but made me feel better. They started pulling ahead and dragging mobs over, surprise we wipe when every creature in the instance started smacking us. Then it was my fault that we wiped, I decided to cut my losses and jumped ship. Followed by multiple pms about me griefing them and wasting their time. Moral of the story, we are the captains of these ships, let us do our job.
Play with my Shaman; I won't die to the mobs, but if there's the potential for fall damage, I'm fucking in the ground
Fotm players strike again
Spirit Bolt on Arcane Mage whose interrupt CD is 24 sec = Magee dead
Not life changing but feels very impactful compared to the rest of gemming in general
Spirit Bolt on based 8M hp frost DK > no interruot > don't care
what is that going to do
Mages die like flies
https://x.com/i/status/1845600482925941143 this is exactly what i hope for when i get in a key with MM hunter
Is that low budget horde symbol!?
Wonder if most mages even have their barrier up
Faster mob collection, sometimes less melees, more uptime, more chance to get out of something in a pinch, to get to something fast. generally faster dungeon
in PvE
would not say the dungeon is faster
that gauntlet is LITERALLY the part where you wanna go slow and steady
no idea who he is he just reminds me of the type of hunter i want in my group
because of that specific reason
he can come to all my groups
no reason to aggressively chainpull there BECUASE it goes south exceedingly fast
wheres the gauntlet
I wish more tanks would go left or right in the last arakara area
Hate going up the middle
Up middle so bad for overall
I go left outright clear 2 phatties than summon boss
Yes, we all know this. I should of dipped when I seen the Azralon/Rag dps, those which pm'd me calling me a griefer and trash haha. They dont understand that we find keys waaaaaay faster than they can.
ive never seen anyone go middle
Left is the only option 😛
do ppl chain those phatties cuz idk I feel like I'd survive but team wouldn't
I ran akara at +10/11 like 20 times farming the trinket and I recall 2 tanks going left
All others went up middle lmao
Crazy rng I guess
everyone insists on going left
and i hate it
middle is so much more chill in weekly keys
somehow the pugs i see succeed more going left
I have actually no idea what any other tank does because I only play tank
more points when the tank dies to swirlies
you can actually wipe to left side
middle you only wipe if you chain shti into the big beetle
Not a fan of middle because it depends on the groups single target for the big guy. just a crappy pull overall.
I am so dumb I keep confusing CoT and Ara
you can easy +3 a 10 and go middle
but no gotta go left and instead deplete cuz you chain pulled too hard

All these great emojis and I can’t send cause archi playin
Ara before last boss I always go mid

I do have a question though, how do we avoid the slow when going left? I find my self slowed down and cant do anything about it. Usually have to heroic leap and/or charge to get out of the web swirlies.
For people running Larynx, do you use it on cooldown or do you stack charges? Worth tracking with a WA? I couldnt find any
thats it
I've literally yet to ever not go middle on that section
do both arthnox
try to use it on CD as close as possible
but also when its ready see for a few seconds if yo ucan get some lucky stacks beforehand
to snapshot a bigger use
and on a big pull, i would not press it
and instead just en-masse stacks
any known weakauras that track it?
simple buff tracker my guy
just eye ball it
i just track all these stack trinkets
and whenever i get a new stack trinket
i add it to the list
Change that to Egg Sacc pls
hm?
🥚 👜
change what to eggsac
the name idk if u can edit it
i track the IDs
the name is displayed automatically
the literal buff of the trinket is called egg sac
I have shard macrod into avatar rn which may be troll idk
I've not played with larynx, its just chillin in my bags
I bet u cast avatar so often that you are not missing out on uptime
Is shieldwall a multiplicative or additive DR? When I block a hit, it gets reduced by my block value (41% currently) if i understand correctly. if put into the simplest math, if i get hit by an ability for 1m, is that reduced by 81% (190k damage taken out of the inital 1m) or is it reduced by 41% first and then that value is reduced by another 40% (354k damage taken out of the inital 1m)
pretty sure multiplicative
I would use shard over larynx all day
Larynx requires brain power
Shard just macro it to avatar and move on
idk like DMG * 0.45 * 0.55 * 0.90 * 0.6 * 0.84
0.45 = 55% armor, 0.55 = 45% block 0.90 = 10% vers (assuming), 0.60 = 40% wall
ah okay ty
all damage reductions are multiplicative
any idea why I cant sim this thing
only shields are additive ontop
he has it, that's why it has two socket
dont have enough things to upgrade it
missing enchant?
Just uncheck require upgrade materials
missing ring combo
noe
you can only wear that ring once
gib profile
maybe youre not simming with rings/enchants enabled
dang look at dat

did you tick the box
thing of beauty
maybe youre not allowed to wear green items
hmmm
for certain
(id take the helmet tho)
yeah that's kinda my feel
that being said
its easier to get myth helmet than that specific ring on myth again
and just catalyse myth helm
yall know an excel keybind to fill down empty cells up to the first non-empty cell?
with the selected cell
im so mad my vault gave me two giga options 
i had to do the same choice week1
i had bis ring or myth helmet with socket
picked socket

Is one point bloodborne better than bloodsurge? Or is bloodborne only worth taking if you’re going to put two points in?
yeah

I had to choose between mythic waist (I already have one), mythic cape (I already have one), and mythic refracting trinket (dogshit)
bloodborne is only "worth" it if you are colossus and dont need spellblock
This week
thats trinket for crest saving or pick socket
I got refracting so atleast I could upgrade any trinket to 623 for just valor stone with it
ye
Gotcha was just reading the faq but I guess it’s just not updated.
peculiar that talent isn't on my talents
I doubt he cares that much to go into your talents and mess with them
wait it is
Hey team, what we think, legs and catalyst or Larynx
im dumb
Under mountain thane it says if you don’t needspell block drop surge and spec into bloodborne. So I was asking if borne is good could you just get one point by dropping bloodsurge and keeping spellblock.
larynx is giga
because I overode the talents because I had BSV on
I’m not a larynx fan so I would recommend legs personally
quick what's the best I'm a moron emoji
1 point by itself is not worth it, the other option is given to get access to punish
that's in skyhold
🖍️
Gotcha 👍🏽

catalyst is your best bet
Lmao there are people with 632 ilvl rn
how often do we get a catalyst charge
perfect
I bet that's because Gilded limit
🥄 🥄
every 2 weeks
Every other week
wish i had more catalyst charges
pls no
90 not enough brew?
Thank you, appreciate it
I don't want to farm crests on toons I don't really want to play
Gearing at light speed
Blizzard pls
that'd work
ok I can get behind this
nah that shit is too much work on alts rn
i cant be assed to farm 540 crests on an alt
I’m not lazy I’ll do like 20 dungeons a week (I already do this) I just want to be super geared instantly and then enjoy big number on screen
I gave up on alts in Cata

My main gameplay upto Cata was leveling and than doing some queued pvp / dungeons
So alts were no problemo
find a hotline
It’s like 1hr per invite on average now at the 12/13 range
So my dungeons per week super down bad
I got 400 days played overall in WoW
thats i played all my alts from the get go
Real
Nome I bet you are like 1200
Oh damn, no catalyst charge this week so should I just take the pants and leave them in bags until next week as I will lose 4p, or just take the trinket so I can get some use outta another myth track this week?
LOLOL
Just be the only tank in your guild that plays the game and you feel obligated to do everyone's vault keys

I give breaks but he doesn't so
get the pants unless you specifically want the trinket
Depends on the guild, one of my boys in my push group is in a guild with people capable of bricking +4s with 15-20min over time.
sir ill have you know i have barely 600 days played despite playing since 2007
Week 1 done as a prot warrior. Both trinkets dropped in vault. RIP. Wanted the swarmlord's out of raid to drop but.
Damn
we usually time the weekly 10 for folks
I play like first season and last season on most expacs
Legend, thanks mate, appreciate you
my warrior is old enough to drive a car and has 1/3 that time lol
Rest is on 2 warrs and a warlock
My mains only around 120 days iirc (mobile right now)
I’m at about 10k hours total on my wow account though
I used to toon hop a lot when I was super casual
Played everything
we have seen the path to becoming a parrygodx, and it's afking in cities
And was bad at all of it
easy clap
since wrath
dont have my vanilla and tbc time tho thats lost forever
holy
thats pretty tame for wow
Your char is up for retirement sir
like im utter afk compared to some other crackheads
Wdym thats a good vault
Yeah nah that's why I thought u'd hit 1200
tis true, I'm an adjusting main switcher, I have like 100 hours on like 5 toons so
My guildmaster (she's an older lady) plays pretty much 16 hours a day for over a decade now
Yes a good vault. However, I don't really raid so it's easier to farm M+ trinkets than it is a raid trinket
Has like 10-20 alts gold capped
am probably close to like 700 days maybe 800 taking in alts
Transmitter is a raid trinket and its good
but thats still like tame
Yeah I know. I have it already
hey time spent having fun is time spent well - Treckie
wonder what that guy's doing now
jumping between rocks in your garrison
oribos 
dont put too much value on getting swamplords
i do think legion alone was 200 days or somthing
(Assuming you are horde)
its not that big of a trinket
i degened legion was at uni
I’m ashamed to admit if you take retail, classic and private servers I’m at like 1200 days, easy
just get your steady upgrades and youll be fine
oh im not counting those same for me 
swamplord is nowhere near the strength of good tank trinkets
so young
same
I’m 31. Gonna go parse leg day.
If you're older than 10, you might as well be dead
new to tanking in general. Last week was my first week.
every damn warr player parses gym
we need behaviour scientists to study this
yeh then dont sweat too much about trinkets, there are no big impactful trinkets this season
theyre all mostly fluff, just focus on playing the character and learning the mechanics of yourself and the dungeons
Warrior players wanna be big irl so they play jacked chads who use no magic. Then realize they can get jacked irl.
hes not wrong
KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES, OLD MAN, THE FUTURE IS YESTERDAY
im just no wimp who needs fancy magic to do trick
i just bonk

and it just works
lol
DAMNIT IM NOT THIRTY YET!
but i am soon
I have to do math to figure out my age cuz I don't just remember it anymore
we're so lucky game doesnt attract teenagers anymore tbh
not even year
That's me since I was like 7
None of us could compete
psh
i already cant
i can easily

I couldn't compete even when I was a teenager

im literally in mmo prime
what the fuck was i booting up wow for again
love how there is a prime for MMOs like boxing etc. lmao
30s ain’t scary. I’m in the best shape of been at 31 than in my 20s. Make good life choices (like maybe not play as much WoW
) and you’ll be aight
the best ive ever been at a video game that isnt that 1 week in cod6 where i had an average KD of 40
It's gonna be low, even though I've played the same char since TBC
Climbing is chad shit btw
filthy camper
Some of them dynos require crazy strength
its not when i do it 
cant hear you over my nuke going off every single game
or going 20-0 in SnD

I got 0 aim, so never been too much into FPS

if this was 16 years ago I'd probably have something to say to you I'd regret later
played lotta league tho
I pretty much ditched WotLK, only played Cata on my brother's account, played a lotta MoP, skipped WoD, played like first month and near the end of Legion only, played until second day of raid being open BFA, played 1 week SL until the end of S3, then played intermittently for S4, then I played an okay amount of DF
Good times indeed
I had to quit league. Lost my ability to play for fun, if I didn’t win I was a rage monster. Couldn’t not be that way so stopped.
yeah, like i said, really low, all things considered
i quit league when i figured out that when the game is over that im left with nothing
that was 2013
it has to die eventually
Why is the poisoned pact ring so good for us
same
Only ring with an effect
kantrips good
Easily bis every time one appears
big crit, and the only ring with an effect
thats not true
I stopped liking League and Riot when they shot their lore and story and hard rebooted it for like the twelfth time. (It was only the second, but I lost all stakes in the game by that point)
I like league cuz I can jump in and Dr Mundo is still Dr Mundo
you are left with self loathing and hatred of other people
Aight sounds like I’m gonna grab hero ring
nah augusto
Thanks folks
But Morderkaiser isn't Mordekaiser, and Sion isn't Sion
i climbed from silver to plat in 1 week after i tried for 1 time in my life to play ranked
and was disgusted how easy it was to rise
so i quit on the spot
I shit you not, I have never passed Gold lmao
I dont pass Plat
Play fight games, climb mega easy, then get absolutely booty clapped while at the highest rank available in the game
it's a good time
I just want my free skin
fighting games goated

or here me out
I think the rank ppl care about in LoL is their champion rank
play factorio and don't realize it's next week already until it's already the week after that
my reward only being "skill" is not interesting anymore
maybe thats when my depression started

when being good wasnt fun enough

As a fury warrior main, if I wanted to learn how to play prot is it an easy transition?
Do i take the trash cloak or the trash neck?
its the only neck in the game with haste that isnt from raid
doesnt that neck have a shit ton of haste on it?
nah but its the only haste neck from m+
the 2nd biggest haste neck in the game
oooof
so take neck?
Agree honestly, almost entirely lost interest in games that only care about your “skill”
mostly still just mash shit as fast as you can so yeah
It's super funny, since improving myself is one of the main enjoyments I get from games. Particularly in fighting games, since there's a lot you can do to express yourself, especially with a lot of the chars I play.
if you will never ever mythic raid
I think that’s why I enjoy MMOs so much
bet ty
though i need to get back to playing under night more
btw gamers! i got my heroic nexus princess kill today!
apparently mastery is our worst stat so i was kinda hesitant
I want to start playing Warhammer Total War
2 hours of wiping though 
but I dont have time 😦
grats

It is, but the differences between secondaries aren't massive; mastery is still useful
agreed. i dont even look at my ilvl because self improvement is way more rewarding
i care about my ilvl because it lets me compete on parses properly, hence why if i ever get behind on the loot treadmill, I become slack as fuck
its been 1.5hrs since iwanted to order but i keep getting distracted
dont order food, cook food
save dat money

I wish food was just magically at my house to cook like Augusto
went for 0 threads, surprise bitch, its +2
you can never have too much gold or too much gear
btw gamers would anyone help and look at my log with me? i identified some issues like wasting violent outburst on TB and a missed cast of ravager 
wowhead paying GOOD
I went shopping on Saturday
we got all the meats
and then we cook some rice, veggies and meal prep

im goin tomorrow and I swear to god they better have this honey ginger dressing thats been out of stock the last 3 times
also i didn't expect weapon enchant to contribute that much to damage
its like CRACK
depths is good in this season
in future seasons it will fall more and more behind compared to stat enchants
i see
Feel free to post your log here and we can look at it
unless blizzard does some wild shit and decide to buff the numbers on it to keep it competitive
also i just found out i could spell reflect nexus princess spells

should memorize the sheet
HUH
we gotta invite more new player to WoW to deflate the 0.1% rating man fr
I just need to find 999 people
to be 0.1%

You're definitely reaching into the range of minor optimizations you can do for pushing damage, as a heads up, so you're doing pretty well overall. You're still managing to waste a bit of rage, even with 1 stack of the overwhelming rage talent, though, so you can likely bump those for a bit more cycling on Avatar and the like
Yeah, he's saying bring in a bunch of jobbers
i guess i'll be satisfied with this for now lol thanks!
I'm looking through to see if I can spot anything notable gameplay wise
i do enjoy pressing
🤓
It'll take a bit since your cast breakdowns are roughly good, though there was a period where you didn't have any executes for about a minute; I haven't checked to see if you didn't get any SD procs or got a lot of SS procs, but
SS is prio
alright c:
Press Exeslam more duhhhh
You can still afford to send a few more outbursts on SS, as well
i keep fucking that up 😦

And if you really want to push damage, you can slip into one of the execute builds
Do we craft 636 1h or shield first? which is more important?
Shield
shield gamer
Shield's your single most important defensive item, but if you're regularly hitting M raid 1st boss, it does drop a shield
oh i thought the mythic shield dropped from the queen
shield from raid drop from 1st and last boss
nice!
It would be a reasonable dps increase yes
It's a big DPS upgrade since it gives weapon damage,
Shield is more** important because you live with that
but you're also a tank and get slapped a lot
😄
i'll need to do some +8s and get gilded crests 
Also, if you can, getting some better damage trinkets will bump your DPS up a decent margin
hopefully vault will be good to me tomorrow
As a random defensive aside, you also appear to have not pressed spell block at all
It works on the dot left by the tank buster mech, so it's pretty useful
which trinket give "decent" just top3 is enough.
A good spitball reminder for raid is that it works on every tank hit mechanic except:
- Specifically the exposes on 3rd boss
- Feast on Ansurek; it DOES work on Liquefy, however, hence why you should aim to take the liquefies over other tanks
well, one of his is a world quest trinket iirc, so in his case, like any
oops.
What sheet?
But things like Mandate, Skarm Shard, Khardos, all usable
Ohhh
Transmitter, too
Also, Fliixy, you can probably spare catching a few more SS resets, as well; my most recent Princess wasn't even my cleanest performance, and I managed 22.9 CPM to your 21.3 on SS
That might stem from portal placement, as well,
So it might not be wholy in your control if DPS make things whack, but
yeah sometimes i was away from boss some weird portal shenanigans happened
and i wasn't on top of my SS resets
Oh, also, you can spell reflect for the DR on every single tank buster, and you can also spare it during intermission to reflect a line if you get one on you
As just a "help out the team" section, you can use that and shield wall and the like to make it so you can survive in a pizza slice on heroic if you have a line so you don't surprise a DPS/Heals and get them hit by your line
i like the WA im using but i think if i can have something to tell me about Burst of Power procs it'll be perfect
oh that's great! thanks for letting me know
By burst of power, do you mean outburst procs?
nope
it's the talent from the mountain thane tree
where lighting strikes have a chance to give you 2 shield slams
ah, the SS one, yes?
I just modified my WA to show stacks of SS
Nome's should show stacks of it, as well
You can probably modify whatever you have to track the spell ID of Burst of Power, then use text to track stacks of it without hurting it
Just find whichever is the SS WA specifically in the suite you have and add that
is this any good? it's either this or a hero ring with crit/haste
nope
so tak the ring?
probably
@tribal wharf someone even got the nick here so.. yeah
https://wago.io/ProtectionWarrior_Khakhan this is the one i'm using it's been helping out a lot tbh
Hey all - vault options for me this week are mythic chest (vs hero track maxed out ) or mythic larynx (I currently have hero skarm, hero swarmgland and champion silken chain weaver). Probably mythic chest?
I think so.
but you can always try to sim Larynx first to see how it goes. if it is not good then chest.
hi everyone, been reading up on embelishments - ive seen many different usages and opinions
any idea if by now theres a bis embelishment?
If you DM me, I can look at it later and see what about it
mainly m+ now
Anyone else EU ever consider getting up early for work to check your vault before work kinda like how you sneak downstairs christmas morning when your parents were still asleep?
It's curse/kiss, get a good trinket in vault? Good luck being productive at work when you're sitting on your BIS at home.
Bad vault? Cursed work day, Karen will also bring in a tuna surprise for lunch to really kill your spirit
Jokes on her im the fish eater at work 🤣
Does the Ovinax's Mercurial Egg worth it? That one and AraKara Sacbrood will work?
Need some guidance on these trinket choices, (Mark of Khardros vs Skar).
So Mark is just better overall for a Prot Warrior probably capping at +12?
egg is pretty good, but it sims at 20-10 basically perma which is not something that you'd have fun doing probably
SURPRISE keystone when doing a zero, even its upgraded to a 2 isnt something i welcome in the future again
we almost depleted, almost
thats a first one of those in a long time
mark and shard is a toss up, mark is more on use mastery, shard is more passive mastery. Mark tends to sim better because you're not getting the passive mastery from kills
Feels like the ~5-600 mastery after every pack would just be better for an M+ only player.
I tend to agree and enjoy my shard
Any downside to macroing Shield Slam to Shield Block? So every time I SB it will (try to) cast SS ?
Sim doesn’t take into account the mastery you can carry into the next pull
So mark will always sim better
i think i need some vers
I personally vaulted a myth shard so I use shard naturally
no you need more haste
If I had both I think I would still use shard
My vault its really tricky this time..
Heroic Mercurial Egg, (have hero sacbrood and champion track silken chain weaver from delves)
Heroic bis Cloak, (have Mythic raid Ulgrax's )
Mythic track Encrusted shield (have the 636 crafted one)
Mythic track Shipwrecker 1h wep (have hero 626 Duelist Dancing steel)
100% weapon angle UNLESS you're killing sikran on mythic and want to just loot from the boss
then I'd go shield
il be hitting diminishing returns with haste with flask
Even then frost dks taking that weapon before you
I didn't stutter did I
40% haste is when you can run ITF
So, Shipwrecker's 1h mythic track wep is the best option
So go haste
Sir you have barely more than 25% haste, you're not hitting DRs
In my opinion yes. The cloak is also nice but you already have a mythic cloak and going to hero just for a bit more healing every minute or w/e is not that great
repeat after me, haste is based
The first 30% threshold for haste is around 20k haste
what im at 38%
The 40% threshold aka the DR that matters, is around 28k haste or some shit
raw % add from talents don't count
No, you have 5stacks of ITF + 2 talents that also grant 2% each
Make sense.. i def need some good trinkets tho..
maybe next season when any trinket besides sacbrood is "good"
% multipliers from talents do not affect the stat DRs
It's only raw rating that gets affected
yeah I want 40k strength
It's from ulduar timewalking
why do casters always get the cool shit
Cuz they're first class citizens
Going to loot that surely

but i do know i should drop my crit abit and mastery for more vers no?
for more haste, sure, otherwise no it basically doesn't matter
whatever your simc tells you to do
the difference is so minor
What do you guys think is easier to get to a +10 level of player as... a healer or a tank? Leveled almost all of each and cant decie which i like more
are we talking with a pug or with a group
I'd say purely out of maintaining your sanity, tank
the amount of dumb shit you'll have to witness (and fix) as a healer in pugs is going to make your brain leak out of your ears
At the end of the day the tank has larger macro responsibilities within the group. Healers more micro situations
What's the item I need to add to my everforged defender craft to make the stats haste vers? I've been looking everywhere but find it
Search ah for missive
algari missive of the something
hey, noob here with a question:
Elemental Focusing Lens on Prot Warrior, is it suppose to be 30k less damage?
I just made it expecting it to be 90k~ damage but item is stating 60k.
I switched specs and it went up to 90k but like… why isn’t it the same for tank spec?
Missive was last expansions I thought...ah algari missive
Prob just scales differently between the specs
myth sacbrook, not a bad vault
@toxic pewter this makes me mad - i spent gold on this
Yeah I’m not sure how embellishments work and whatnot but def seems weaker for tanks it seems
that's why you sim it. Also damage numbers on tooltips means basically nothing because it could have an insane PPM or a totally trash one
Every flat dmg proc thing is nerfed by 30% for tanks and healers
Lense Sims best for single target
And dusk/dawn is your choice for aoe/m+ dmg
I kinda get the trinket nerfs for tanks, kinda (not really) but nerfed embellisments is totally braindead
Yay or nay
no
Good kk
it has no damage variance, but it can critical
X6 it is this week for me
the dmg if very very low
im pretty new at prot warrior but is it me or the Quickwick candlestick look to over sim ??
also bad
I can confirm candlestick is bad
basically any candle trinket is bad
all 3 of them need massive buffs and tweaks to see play
I had to choose candle or ceaseless swarm.
I chose ceaseless swarm
good cause the fang is my second option is it better ??
i would pick anything but that personally
thanks a lot haha
Does elemental lens help with seal of the poisoned pact procs? First world problems I know but it might lean me towards using that embellishment
Or is thane spells enough to proc it adequately
Very nay
Good question, no idea, but I assume thane does make it go brr more
what is the go to 3rd craft? is it just sim?
Just did a dungeon with a MW for once and the life cocoon animation is so big you cannot see any ground aoe while you have it, what a great design
Lol the clip popped up randomly from this log https://clips.twitch.tv/SlipperyRockyStarGingerPower-24GrV8ecgyVsdbPH
Forgive my ignorance (never played other tanks) but if prot without shield block gets 1-shot with what I assume was melee hit, how do other tanks, who relly less on mitigation and more on healing afterwards, survive fights like that?
This was an RP hit. Let them assassinate those mobs before you run in
Ah, I see. That makes sense
do I still need to have shield block up for offensive damage even if I'm not taking damage? or did that change?
yes it increases shield slam damage by 30%
Hey guys, I was doing a Grim Batol +10 with my team and it happened that in the 3rd boss, the adds summoned by the dragon were changing their target. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?
Max lvl hook sims slightly higher for me but shard has to be better overall no? I can use it as fury too and its greta for fury and idk if sims take into consideration adds dying when you have shard?
Play death from hunter, mage invis etc etc nightelf ?!
shard no question
Once our pally used immune, but the other times it was after we used our stuns, although they don't always change the target after using it.
What are you simming? Cause I'd expect it's only better single target
the sim isn't going to account for the passive mastery gain either, shard is better
it's better for dps, its better for surv, its better for offspec dps
its just better
Got the 626 zureki neck from GV today 
standard pathcwerk
but i picked shard
its just barely worse than hook and superior in aoe
and is big for fury
its also literally only better im sim cuz patchwork
yea, thanks
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Hey guys! I need some help with the mechanics of the game tank wise. On the last boss heroic and I keep ripping agro from my co-tank without taunting, then getting one shot from the liquify debuff. We figured it's because I keep ripping agro from him because my dps is higher. It didn't happen again if I reduced dps. I was wondering what the percentage agro was to take agro from your co-tank? Or does it just need to be more than what they have?
You generally have to be doing a lot more damage than your cotank to rip off aggro from damage alone
is it just the first one?
I'm not doing -that- much more dps than him. I'm averaging at about 450K-500k and him about 350k
Yes it's the first liquify
just have him do the first liquify and you do the feast
Well fuck me we'll try that
just slow your opener, liquify comes out really fast
if it keeps happening throughout the fight it's a deeper issue but if its just you're pumping on opener its an easier fix
unless it's changed recently, if you reach 110% of the current target's threat, you'll pull aggro. but taunt matches your threat to the current target, forces targeting, and gives you a big threat gen buff for the duration
so if the burstier tank goes 1st, the cotank gets all the benefit of their burst when they taunt
its also seems super common for tanks to taunt liquify and then outrange the boss tryin to move it during taunt threat amp
We're looking through logs. He's a blood DK and we found out his death and decay uptime is kinda poor which is apparently a high threat ability
so make sure yall aren't doing that
meh not really, dnd uptime is important for many reasons but not really specific to threat
I know little about blood dk
dam = threat
no dnd = less dam = less threat, no more complicated then that
just make sure he's actually hitting buttons during the taunt threat amp
and not just trying to move the boss out of melee range
Will do. Having said that, that boss does need moving after taunt pretty quick 😛
But thanks for the help, and the suggestion of swapping taunts
eh not faster than you can strafe and melee the boss
True
good luck!
It litterally only happened on the first liquify like three times in about twenty pulls
then its probably just failure to take advantage of taunt threat amp + you're still in your opener burst
Aye
funnily, it happens to me on my dk, just opposite
because exterminates are up right then and I'm sending million hit scythes into her ass
Hahaha. Aye I always perceived DK's as being high threat high dam
Thanks again. We'll swap order and he can pull.
give it a shot!
also tip for later, make sure to taunt during the cast of liquify (and even later) gorge
the time between the casts is super short and once she's casting, it doesn't switch
so if you're sitting on the floor wondering why you took a 20m feast it's because of that
Hahaha Thanks
Isn't that a good thing?
what loot spec should i open as if im crafting my weapon/shield
if you don't want a potential myth weap or shield, arms
myth shield and wep are still generally large upgrades over crafted onces
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no matter what spec you're gonna risk getting an item in there you don't want
arms, 2h, fury, 1h 2h, prot shit trinkets
I had to stop damage on brood on heroic raiding cause that happened
Do we have our hard cap and soft cap % percentages anywhere here??
100%
it's a do you play dps if not probably socket angle
My vault was trash this week
Imma have to start pushing +8 keys since heroic raiding doesn't supply me anything other
transmitter is ight I guess if you like minigames
99% sure threat on Queen is bugged. All 4 tanks in my guild have struggled with it. My suspicion is there's also a threat reset during the frothy toxin knock up. The "solution" we've found is for the off-tank to stop attacking altogether for 5 seconds once the other tank taunts.
I'd agree with you except tanks tend to just not hit buttons after taunting that boss because they feel the need to move it and are out of range
i.e. you see shit like this
ya nah that aint it in our case
show a log
Good to know we're not the only ones strugglign with this
2 packs into gatekeeper and ppl died
I self healed 1M hps so I didn't die
How can bros be 2.7k and not click their buttons
playing gatekeeper with pugs 
Was NW 12 and these guys were all min 2.6k and 625
I'll try skip Gatekeeper from now on
But idk makes the boss pulls messy
are you starting on stage?
cuz if you play stage and then go along the bottom of the stage the other way, the first stuff should despawn by the time you get there
you're also fighting that boss for a reallly long time if that happens
or your group is buttcheeks at stack killing the worms
I definitely take the neck right? current one is the emergency stop keychain 619; rings are haste/vers, and haste/master
when you all open your vaults, do you set it to Prot or arms?
I'd personally go neck but I'd also sim it first

Do you have 1 hand and shield? If so go arms if not prot imo
I'd take one of the Mythic tracks ngl
626 neck seems to be heroic 6/6
Altho BiS, ilvl > secondaries
Them 623's go up to 639
I am rushing on having an 639 on each slot before worrying about stats
I got 626 Sureki from first week chest tho
Feel too lucky xd
Literally couldn't get higher ilvl at that vault eitber
Myth ring w/o haste and bracers meh
is there a haste % where into the fray is worth?
Any thoughts? I'd be replacing a 606 Haste/Mastery ring or a 613 Corrosive Organ
I just use it
sim it (but shard)
I'd use it any time
The additional rage is like 700-800 I think on a dung
8% haste takes one sec off your SB anyway
My uptime is 95%
My math uptime should be 97%
8/12 + 8/45 + 15/120
I use last stand CD talent over spell block because I am comfy with magic dmg idk why
Even at 12 keys, not worried about magic dmg
Will see as I go up I guess
I reflect and manage CDs OK tho I guess
Also use Frontline potion on big pulls instead dmg up so
Big dumb question. What do you mean by "Frontline" potion?
Some pot that gives you armor and max health%
I didn't even know this existed
I like to use it for the big first pulls
That's very helpful thank you
I struggle with the first pull ( 3 packs) in stone vault. This would help massively
With this + last stand + rally +shaman on me I hit like 20-25M health for 10-15 seconds
Basically unkillable
Then I pop wall
that man thicc
If group can't clear first pull in 30 seconds it's on them
Thank you
what % is 1000 avoidance
HMMM
me doing numbers in head is not always accurate
this choice sucks but I really am leaning towards this ring
okay well its a good problem to have for sure
two good vault options haha
Question. Anyone know what would be tthe better decision here? 33 ilevel trinket upgrade or 13 ilevel weapon upgrade when maxed
hi guys, if we have violent outburst but SS is on CD, do we just send it on thunderclap on ST (colossus)
guide says: Consume Violent Outburst with Shield Slam in ST/small AoE, or Thunder Clap against 8 (4 as Mountain Thane) or more targets.
but idk if I'm supposed to wait for SS to come off CD to spend, bc it means I'd be basically gcd locked
i would go for that trinket but that is me since it is a bis
damn that's quite the choice you have ahead of you, I'd do trinket it's the only place you can get a myth one, it's S tier, it's good for basically all specs. You can craft a wep that's nearly as good, and myth wep drops early in raid
Thanks guys!
Defo trinket
No doubt
Any one hander will work for ya
agmius do you know what I should do in my q
There is only 1 "eggsac"
oops got it on guardian too
Wait what Q
'if we have violent outburst but SS is on CD, do we just send it on thunderclap on ST (colossus)
guide says: Consume Violent Outburst with Shield Slam in ST/small AoE, or Thunder Clap against 8 (4 as Mountain Thane) or more targets.
but idk if I'm supposed to wait for SS to come off CD to spend, bc it means I'd be basically gcd locked'
Would you also be rage starved and can't fill in with revenge?
Even so I'd just slap TC and call it a day unless it's single target
yeah I'm asking on ST
Hmm ST ID spam revenge to try trigger freebie SS
let's say I am rage starved
Revenge or execute reset ss
then you fucked up and just send the TC and accept that you made a rotational mistake and lost a small amount of dmg and rage gen
I'd honestly slap TC and call it a day in that scenario, loosing 700-800k here and there won't loose your key
Thats on the rage management pity tc it is
You need to track outburst to avoid this
At 35-40% haste I am rarely in situation like that esp as Thane
Because rage flows
Colossus with BT sometimes I make that choice
But that's low keys for overall maxxing
I dont even click IP on those runs lol
Spamming 1M revenge crits is cure for depression
200k hps from leech alone kekw
Hey guys, I dont see anything in the rules about this. But I'm currently 2550 io on my prot warrior and have just kinda been button spamming up to this point. But I feel like I could be more methodical about my proc/cd usage if someone would be willing to spectate and offer advice. dm me 🙂
what is looking like the best race for m+ rn?
dwarf
2nd is dwarf
3rd and 4th also dwarf
just get a bunch of projection prisms so u never have to look like a dwarf
Yeah u can basically button mash to all 11s
I bet can button mash to all 12s too
And higher probably
IDK what to pick
Is that the bis neck
If ur neck bad just grab it and upg if it's hero track
If it's champ idk I wouldn't
already got neck piece
i just dont know what to pick out of the helm and 2 cloaks
ihave crafted sword so i dont think thats gonna be the pick
just sim and have a robot decide for you if it’s this close
grab the wep for transmog
I couldn't help myself I had to take it
Who is Daniel?
what are good trinkets for us? beside simming on raidbots and bloodmallet what tank trinkets are good for us?
Swarmorld authority I guess, I still don’t have it so I don’t know
Hey y'all, what is the opinion of the rare raid cape?
I got one in my vault that rolled with extra avoidance.
However, I also rolled Myth track shoulders that would replace my current champion track shoulders. I do not mythic raid, so it's the only means of myth track gear for me.
I don't know how to accurately "sim" the effectiveness of this cape. Currently sitting at 619 ilvl and the last image is my gear composition as a whole. advice is appreciated 🙏
just got that from weekly hence why im asking
Forgot to attach image...
You don’t raid mythic so the rare cloak will never be 639 for you
Right, I guess I was trying to say my only opportunity for myth track gear is vault rewards, so should I forfeit my myth options I'm getting from the Dungeon row for this cape that I will never roll higher
Trying to understand how valuable that cape is since simming DPS on it means nothing
Basically you don’t really care about the avoidance, it’s the 10% heal that’s interesting












