the damage it does is trash, it’s best used as def cd
#protection
inner wren
heavy sparrow
Yeah
cloud finch
i play thane
muted arch
Is there a way to search damage logs for dungeons?
cloud finch
13 key without this trinket start to hurt bad
jagged pier
the tinket will do very little for u in terms of lviing
it justlooksgod on hte meters
muted arch
As in to sort them by overall damage done?
rigid edge
I'm doing Zekvir ?-? And I'm curious is there any spells we can reflect or take advantage of spell reflect from?
vague badge
which debuffs are important to track as protection? i am using a whitelist on plater and don't know what to track
jagged pier
I'm doing Zekvir ?-? And I'm curious is there any spells we can reflect or take ...
nope
well u can defelct the fear in p2
fathom robin
Once we have a decent shield, best to vault as Arms or Fury?
rigid edge
well u can defelct the fear in p2
You still take the damage I guess?
jagged pier
oof too bis cloak?
rigid edge
prot has it very easy on that fight
Any good tips you can share with me? I'm mainly having trouble on P2
upbeat cloud
oof too bis cloak?
that was an excited oof lol
jagged pier
nocturne spindle
its kinda stinky but it has a socket at least
tulip remnant
its kinda stinky but it has a socket at least
The no raid kinda wild tho
thorn umbra
hi! does anyone know if there is any difference between the crafted weapons that matters?
jagged pier
theres none
soft tusk
bruh
tulip remnant
That finger tho….
thorn umbra
theres none
thanks
soft tusk
is it even worth it?
tulip remnant
No, I’m entirely trolling
soft tusk
only good thing is that trinket
tulip remnant
I mean myth weapon is right there
soft tusk
I should go for socket D:
violet ginkgo
shard and 1 hand is really good yeah
bronze wraith
How big an upgrade is a 626 leech only weapon and a 639 woth leech h and stats?
valid bridge
Yo can I get sacbrood in vault if I'm set to Prot loot spec?
soft tusk
I mean myth weapon is right there
tepid arch
is there a good list of trinkets? I have no clue what trinkets are good to use vs bad ones.
violet ginkgo
oh gg myth dancing steel already
tepid arch
I got a 623 refracting (taunt trinket) in my vault vs some 606s one i have today
tulip remnant
Skarm Shard and pack it up
violet ginkgo
Well Prom, go for Shard or Socket up to you.
zealous goblet
rings on the menu, not complaining, the middle one has plenty of haste
soft tusk
Well Prom, go for Shard or Socket up to you.
I could use the Shard for AoE I guess...
but even then..
violet ginkgo
I think for multitarget Shard still OP yeah
tulip remnant
And any Fury OS shard is massive
valid bridge
hmm. Is this a bad take? I only have 1 mythic vault slot, should I take this or take the tokens of merit?
seems not bad
tepid arch
I got the same thing jink lol
hushed harbor
if im looking at a 6/6 hero Wings cloak or a myth track haste belt i should probably go with the cloak since BIS, yes?
heavy sparrow
Does wowlogs work for us?
zealous goblet
hmm. Is this a bad take? I only have 1 mythic vault slot, should I take this or ...
i was in a similar position, i took trinket. it's not terrible for pushing keys if you'd like to cut your healer some slack, and it saves crests for upgrading
valid bridge
i can think of a few big pulls where a 2.3m absorb wouldnt be bad
zealous goblet
if you have a 2nd trinket up there
valid bridge
yeah
inner wren
rings on the menu, not complaining, the middle one has plenty of haste
lucky duck
that ring is based
jagged pier
hmm. Is this a bad take? I only have 1 mythic vault slot, should I take this or ...
i mean it saved crests i guess
bronze wraith
Is the finger trinket that gives dodge any good?
heavy sparrow
Yo can I get sacbrood in vault if I'm set to Prot loot spec?
I don't think so
Because
soft tusk
I think for multitarget Shard still OP yeah
has leech too.. nice
heavy sparrow
If you set your DPS and prot in mythic dungeons it disapears
bronze wraith
How big is a weapon upgrade for us?
tulip remnant
I’ll take getting my last tier piece to hero for Vault.
jagged pier
How big is a weapon upgrade for us?
big
zealous goblet
what should i kill for it though.. i know crit is 2nd best stat, but if i replace it i get more haste
mild river
Is this trinket any good?
bronze wraith
big
I had the proc weapon off alliance heroic at 626. I got a myth weapon today and it is 639. I hope it is a dps upgrade.
jagged pier
of course its a dps upgrade
bronze wraith
That proc was 2% of my damage.
tepid arch
is there a list of great trinkets for M+?
narrow patrol
if i didnt pick up the catalyst from last week, can i still get it this week?
hushed harbor
First week with a myth track item for me. But cloak is BIS. Should I grab the cloak or get belt and get it to 639?
jagged pier
u gunna raid mythic?
jagged pier
then back
violet ginkgo
maybe first couple bosses
define "couple" is it reaching rash or no
or just 1 and 2
harsh bobcat
As someone who doesnt plan on doing any Myth raiding and have thus very limited myth track availability. Shoulders with not BiS stats vs pants I will have to wait another wait to Catalyze....?
inner wren
Legs give significantly more stats so long term it’s a better pick
rain light
what a terrible vault
sweet summit
mythic chest not the worst or
heavy sparrow
Is this trinket any good?
That trinket is good. Better than candle
jagged pier
mythic chest not the worst or
thats hero
harsh bobcat
Legs give significantly more stats so long term it’s a better pick
they do, but its always a risk of what if I get a helm or torso next week I would also need to catalyze to get advantage of...they are the highest stat budget but being charge starved is not ideal
strong mauve
if i need trinket or rings do I stay in prot spec for vault or should I change to Arms?
brave cliff
hi all - is Myth track ceaseless swarmguard good trinket ?
jagged pier
if i need trinket or rings do I stay in prot spec for vault or should I change t...
arms
inner wren
they do, but its always a risk of what if I get a helm or torso next week I woul...
True
Ur choice
brave cliff
Need help do i go with mythic trinket or gloves
sim says ovinax for max dps but how is ceasless swarmguard as a defensive trinket ?
bronze wraith
of course its a dps upgrade
It was only a 4k dps increase XD of 650k dps, it raised it only 4k
The difference in my 639 and the 626 was 4k dps
heavy sparrow
I'm looking at all these chats about getting mythic vault but I'm over here just Downing ulgrax mythic yesterday
next axle
If you are me, what are you taking here? Let me know if you have further questions to aid in your opinion.
bronze wraith
I'm looking at all these chats about getting mythic vault but I'm over here just...
I honestly just did 4 10s
heavy sparrow
If you are me, what are you taking here? Let me know if you have further questio...
You're prot right buddy
next axle
Yes sir
heavy sparrow
Take sabrood
next axle
I am guessing that is better than meat hook
red dock
I only have hero track rings right now, rest of my slots I slacked on this week. Do I take the ring or just take tokens for a spark so I can craft 636 shield?
heavy sparrow
Higher item level. But I just want you to know I opted for foul behemoth since I got it on heroic early on in the expansion
next axle
I could run both
heavy sparrow
I'm still using mine
next axle
My 2nd trinket is
heavy sparrow
But I still need to hunt for the sabrood trinket to replace another trinket
Don't get the candle
next axle
That is what I have from early season, I can run brood and meat hook for now
heavy sparrow
I tried both candle and ceaseless Swarmgland
Is meat hook the one I have
Inject 700k damage
next axle
next axle
I already have it lol
tulip remnant
Just rolled a Hero Sacbrood with leech on an alt smh
heavy sparrow
Kk
next axle
I am saying I can run Meat Hook with Brood
heavy sparrow
Run sabrood and that
Super jealous man
I've been trying to switch my trinkets for 2 weeks now
knotty pewter
how much damage is meat hook doing in dungeons?
wondering if its best ST option for bosses
heavy sparrow
Recruiting more guildies btw <ANCIENT>
vague badge
which debuffs are important to track as protection? i am using a whitelist on pl...
Does anyone have any tips for me?
drifting veldt
If you are taking heroic gear from vault, maybe wait as I believe it's dungeon week
Might get lucky from completing 4 mythic dungo
tulip remnant
I’m not turning down a 610 Sacbrood on a 595 alt lmaooo
toxic pewter
i got a mythic rashanan trinket the organ wat u guys think of that pick up
jagged pier
its alright
inner wren
it’s alright
toxic pewter
but its st is pretty solid
violet ginkgo
its alright
What about treacherous transmitter? is that a good one? Also can we afford to do task like that as tank?
jagged pier
its good
jagged pier
It was only a 4k dps increase XD of 650k dps, it raised it only 4k
dont know how u simming but
ionic wolf
sorry to pop in mid convo, is heroic wings of shattered sorrow worth? I can pick between that and a myth track forgemasters belt 🙃
bronze wraith
That is what I used. It isn't optimal 639 and the 626 had a nasty proc effect that was really good
tribal wharf
jagged pier
That is what I used. It isn't optimal 639 and the 626 had a nasty proc effect th...
2% damage is not a good proc
tribal wharf
gloves or i can take a weapon
jagged pier
link sim
violet ginkgo
sorry to pop in mid convo, is heroic wings of shattered sorrow worth? I can pick...
dejavu hold on let me link you to the exact discussion
#protection message
scroll below after the picture
jagged pier
i just want to check could be some odd thing with the sim
tribal wharf
i dont need a ring, maybe neck
sacred dagger
hey, I currently have a champ sacbrood and hero meathook, and rolled a hero Sacbrood and hero Skarm Shard in the vault. Shard sims way higher in M+ for me, which is my primary content. Just want to make sure I wouldn't regret not taking the brood while I have a chance, in case theres something the sims arent telling me yknow
jagged pier
how are u simming?
violet ginkgo
Oh jakey question on simming, on top gear can we make greatvault item upgraded to certain ilvl?
sacred dagger
6 patchwerks for 40 sec, trying to emulate a typical trash pull I guess. Something I picked up from a warlock discord. Would def appreciate simming advice if thats not the way
jagged pier
then of course shard is gunna sim higher
a burst cd trinket used with all our burst in a sim thats just burst
pallid quiver
Oh jakey question on simming, on top gear can we make greatvault item upgraded t...
You can hit the plus icon near items to modify them in sims/raidbots
long bronze
Myth helm in vault pog
jagged pier
^
bronze wraith
how are u simming?
Gear compare
midnight python
finally a myth track wep
tribal wharf
616 2 hand weapon though i got
jagged pier
Gear compare
that wasnt to u and ive ask u just to link it
bronze wraith
Oh sure. One minutr
sacred dagger
That makes sense! And yeah simming on a long boss type sim is does show the difference there. But still wodnering if its worth taking over the brood, the burst does seem juicy ha
jagged pier
u sim 1 target 5mins , 3-5 targets - 1.5-3 mins
u dont ever do short sims
its squews results
bronze wraith
u sim 1 target 5mins , 3-5 targets - 1.5-3 mins
sacred dagger
Gotcha, makes sense. Appreciate it :D
pallid quiver
u sim 1 target 5mins , 3-5 targets - 1.5-3 mins
You can also do longer or shorter 1T sims to better match the rough kill times you're seeing on bosses, like if Court is taking 8 mins to down, an 8 min sim will technically be more accurate
lean panther
Should I be opening vault in fury or arms so I have a chance at mad queens?
violet ginkgo
Should I be opening vault in fury or arms so I have a chance at mad queens?
well general rule of vault is in the pinned post. But if you really want mandate then yes open as dps.
strong forum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nGWKH98pprC6AotkWYjFtv
While that is funny to see a weapon do that apparently does that much on single target, adding in more targets will very quickly swing into the 639s favour
Also you're playing a talent which causes your own spells to do a lot less dmg
bronze wraith
Also you're playing a talent which causes your own spells to do *a lot* less dmg
Which talent ?
tribal wharf
im probably gunna craft 619 weapon later today, maybe
strong forum
He plays a build that does very little dmg on its own which means a random dmg proc gets skewed in its favour
You're playing immovable object
Instead of unstoppable force
As thane
That's a 12% dmg loss
bronze wraith
I forgot I had swapped to that for M+
fallow fern
Thinking Mythic Shard over the Mythic ring.. anyone disagree?
strong forum
Yeah
While that ring is sexy
So is shard
And there's more, good rings in the game than trinkets
fallow fern
yea
strong forum
The impact of ilvl on the trinket is also larger than on a ring
fallow fern
and i have it as heroic right now
inner wren
Easy shard pick
vague badge
Does anyone have any tips for me?
strong forum
Checking
mighty valley
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
Uh, it seems weird to use a whitelist for debuffs, there's one for most bosses and a ton in m+
strong forum
Debuffs on enemies or yourself?
Either way tho that's something very specific that generally doesn't have a large impact
I generally don't pay attention to my debuffs that I apply to enemies beyond demo shout
But that doesn't need to be whitelisted, I'd rather track that as a weakaura
violet ginkgo
Easy shard pick
what about mine? I got both normal sacbrood and normal mandate max upgrade 619. Felt like trinket or Boot is the choice here.
strong forum
Since this is all hero track...
bronze wraith
How crap, the 3-5 target is alot higher dps
strong forum
If you can stomach playing around transmitter (a lot of people hate it but I like it) that would technically be your choice? Unless you still need hero track tier pieces
violet ginkgo
no I got all my hero tier piece set track covered.
strong forum
Would be trinket then, and replace mandate
real fossil
The stand in the circle proc is just so annoying
I don’t know if there’s some secret tech to that one
strong forum
Transmitter stuff always spawn in the front right of you
So you can "bait" it
Or you pre-use it
Both the circle and the orb stick around for fucking ever
rocky basin
Is there a haste cap for prot or is it always the best secondary stat for us?
strong forum
Always bis
Sims eventually will tell you to go deeper into crit, but if you don't wanna use brain just slam that haste
proud dock
is spare meat hook technically better than larynx for defense cuz of the flat str stick?
proud dock
🙏🏾
strong forum
On average I think larynx should be able to provide more strength however
As that thing can roll to the high heavens sometimes and grant well over 10k mainstat
proud dock
oh itdoesnt have a cap on stacks?
strong forum
Nop
proud dock
sheesh
torn current
can someone help me
i wanna ask how can i make more healing
i dont know if the healing should look like this
fervent fiber
here u go:
plush tendon
violet ginkgo
How is that throngus drop for us though I mean isn't it for bear/brew? judging how it gives dodge
violet ginkgo
but we are more into parry/block for sure rather than big dodge like bear
pallid quiver
That being said, it's also not like the best trinket in the pool, so
violet ginkgo
well I mean yogi got a nick for it unless he change it.
strong forum
Dodge is just a different flavour of parry
The only minimalistic difference is parry haste, our current melee swing cd gets sped up by 30% when we parry an attack during its cd
Aside from that, not getting is not getting hit
tribal wharf
if that weapon was hero i might have taken it
but, i can craft weapon
had a shot at a really great dps 2h axe as well
but, gloves,
heavy sparrow
What should be the first thing to upgrade in regards to crafting
tribal wharf
skip an entire track, (veteran)
heavy sparrow
All my gear is 619
Helmet isn626
Neck is 626
Weapon and shield are crafted 619
What should I upgrade with my gilded crest?
tribal wharf
i need more runeds more than anything, have tons of Vstones
hushed cobalt
if i'm not going to raid mythic, is a crafted shield better than waiting for a mythic track vault shield?
sharp steppe
alo, my first 12, died cause stupid, maybe someone can check if something else was not played properly if someone has time at some point, doesnt have to be now
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NPtk73L9yJhVTzdY#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4
violet ginkgo
What should be the first thing to upgrade in regards to crafting
You got access to gilded crest? If yes then probably weapon or shield depend on your situation.
violet ginkgo
if i'm not going to raid mythic, is a crafted shield better than waiting for a m...
Yap
heavy sparrow
You got access to gilded crest? If yes then probably weapon or shield depend on ...
All my gear is 619
Helmet isn626
Neck is 626
Weapon and shield are crafted 619
What should I upgrade with my gilded crest?
bronze wraith
A shield is super strong first 636.
heavy sparrow
My 8/8 champion ring has like 6k in stats so idk I could keep the ring
violet ginkgo
But @hushed cobalt ppl will recommend you to try the 1st myth raid boss since it drop shield. Who knows you are lucky
tribal wharf
the realest question of all is, do i dress up as batman or the joker for halloween
heavy sparrow
A shield is super strong first 636.
I was thinking shield too, since it's like 1.6k more stamina, 3k more Block, but only +30 haste and vers
tribal wharf
only one im torn on, normally dont do halloween but almost feeling it
that or i'd do beetle juice
shrewd plinth
Shield/weapon is strongest ups right?
violet ginkgo
All my gear is 619
Helmet isn626
Neck is 626
Weapon and shield are crafted 619
...
I think seniors here (Jakey, Nome, Nim) elaborate it best so I will try to copy what I remember from what they said.
So Question is are you willing or able to try fight the 1st myth raid boss? If yes try to farm the myth track shield that way and craft 636 weapon.
If you are not willing or able to fight the 1st myth raid boss then craft the 636 shield.
shrewd plinth
Cause some of our defensive stuff is tied directly to our output?
violet ginkgo
well shield is related to our defensive for sure.
it's the only thing that gives block and we block so we need a lot of block value from shield.
shrewd plinth
Weapon attack power buffs ignore pain? I think
charred palm
sup boys
violet ginkgo
sup montana, post your vault here
charred palm
yo uguys still taking champ spear? i see yoda swapped to roar in a lot of his keys
heavy sparrow
I think seniors here (Jakey, Nome, Nim) elaborate it best so I will try to copy ...
Thank you this is great advice
tame heron
just got mad queen's mandate. should you try to execute with it to reduce cd or just send on cd?
charred palm
i yoinked myth shoulders from my vault, nothing special. was mainyl gearing the pally last week
violet ginkgo
just got mad queen's mandate. should you try to execute with it to reduce cd or ...
what situation is this? M+ or raid? If raid then just send it on CD. M+ maybe you can aim for the execute for the shoter cooldown but don't sweat too much on hoping the execute.
real fossil
I was thinking shield too, since it's like 1.6k more stamina, 3k more Block, but...
Ilv on your shield is the single most important thing in terms of your survivability
charred palm
hmm just tested champ spear versus roar and roar is less damage so im confused why theyre taking it now
charred palm
nope trheyre thane i nthe high keys
lofty warren
more important - which item should I take
ionic fern
yo uguys still taking champ spear? i see yoda swapped to roar in a lot of his ke...
Yes. You would have to ask him directly about it, probably on stream. Can't go around guessing. Probably due to lower CD and comfort.
rocky kraken
what haste % do i need to swap to ItF over HP
old basin
simple agate
i have a crafted shield already should i craft a weapon next or is there something better to craft first?
grim pilot
lofty warren
bruh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nrhVQ6Yso65Y2TqLcDbea3
based on this it is pretty sure that I should take the mythic axe right?
tribal wharf
oh, its heroics lol
heavy sparrow
i have a crafted shield already should i craft a weapon next or is there somethi...
Whichever you need upgrading
You can get mythic shield from first boss and 4th boss you can get weapon
charred palm
what haste % do i need to swap to ItF over HP
i just did it at 15k haste and ti feels good
i would say prob at least 13kish
strong forum
meanwhile 15k is when i found ITF no longer to be good enough
💀
and made the switch away from ITF
charred palm
haha i mean 8% haste is nice
strong forum
but its not perma 8% haste
charred palm
omnicd has a separate addon for it
strong forum
and i cba dealing with block downtime
charred palm
i mean it basically is in any dungeon
youd have more downtime in the other talent by that logic right
strong forum
no?
wicked pollen
god i love talking out of my ass
real fossil
^itf
strong forum
with 15k, i do not
charred palm
i think its definitely a good like if yorue just spamming every button at once build for sure
strong forum
theres plenty of downtime
charred palm
but if youre just monitoring shield block it will nevber go down ever
heavy sparrow
I'm thinking inscription and enchanting for prot warrior - thoughts?
wicked pollen
doesnt matter
strong forum
professions dont matter
charred palm
I'm thinking inscription and enchanting for prot warrior - thoughts?
enchant is nice for disenchating extra gear
solemn current
but if youre just monitoring shield block it will nevber go down ever
Mathematically it doesn’t work out that way. You’d need a lot of downtime between packs.
Assuming you’re talking about ITF
strong forum
you need 67% haste to get 100% uptime with ITF
true 100% uptime
so only hovering around 30-35% haste with ITF
is just plainly talking out of your ass
charred palm
okay, maybe im not understanding something - its an 8sec duration, with 2 charges, and an 11sec recharge
muted arch
Would u guys upgrade mythic track crit/mastery weapon or wait for silkran crit/haste sword?
strong forum
and you only get 1 charge every 11seconds
not 2
so with 3 uses of SB, you spend 24 seconds with SB uptime
charred palm
are you using the full uptime you get from shield charge
real fossil
lol
strong forum
but if you were to test
youd quickly find out
that around the 2min mark
even WITH shield charge
charred palm
im sure like if you were in combat like 2minutes straight you would drop it eventually
strong forum
you will start to experience SB gaps infinitely repeating until you get more downtime
muted arch
im sure like if you were in combat like 2minutes straight you would drop it even...
Why would u ever not be
real fossil
The risk/benefit of even thinking about this is not worth the ITF gain
solemn current
im sure like if you were in combat like 2minutes straight you would drop it even...
What are you doing in dungeons to get enough downtime to fully recharge shield block every 2min?
urban lotus
Wait shield block can’t get above 24 seconds?
strong forum
only with bolster
muted arch
Raid encounters are longer and if u have down time in mythic plus aside from the odd rp you’re doing it wrong
charred palm
What are you doing in dungeons to get enough downtime to fully recharge shield b...
i dont udnerstand your question
strong forum
in raid it however also doesnt matter as much
because you have permanent 5 stacks of ITF
and you arent always actively tanking
charred palm
yeah just meaning m+
strong forum
in keys, especially when youre playing with ranged DPS, you do not have permanent 5 stacks
charred palm
i havent had an issue with it yet at the 15k mark for itf
strong forum
maybe you just dont notice it
charred palm
maybe specific keys would be difficult with it over hr
muted arch
i dont udnerstand your question
You said it would drop if u were in combat for over 2min, you seriously think the half second between pulls changes that?
muted arch
i havent had an issue with it yet at the 15k mark for itf
You need to log yourself and check
tribal wharf
You can totally stun the tentcal slam siege in heroic
charred palm
You said it would drop if u were in combat for over 2min, you seriously think th...
i guess im just saying the time between shield block being down and up again without HR is so small that the time between packs would moverlap with it
vague badge
is shield crafting a lot better than 1 hand weapon?
tribal wharf
just did it
muted arch
Cuz you just arent noticing
charred palm
guess it depends though
strong forum
is shield crafting a lot better than 1 hand weapon?
defensively yes, offensively no
real fossil
To be fair, the downtime tends to occur as you finish off the pack and your risk of dying is a bit lower.
It’s still not worth imo
strong forum
i just cba running into 3-6sec of block downtime
just to do 6% more dmg
but risk getting my booty ate
nah sorry
charred palm
hmm maybe i need to do like a 13 or something to experience the booty eating from that
real fossil
just to do 6% more dmg
This is the rub. It’s only 6% damage if totally optimal. Boooo
muted arch
Yeah you’re probably just out gearing your content
charred palm
i feel like i just dont take dmg as prot honestly
strong forum
we dont
muted arch
If you dont notice shield block downtime
strong forum
because we have block up
if you dont have block up at the wrong time
even BSV wont safe you
proof, a log i checked earlier this week
pallid quiver
instructions unclear, taking tons of damage even though I'm pumping all my rage into my 50% DR
strong forum
mists 14
6sec of blockdowntime, tank got 1shot through BSV
100-0
c-b-a
there were constant gaps of SB uptime while being meleed
tawdry cloak
What’s this log?
pallid quiver
100-0
Reminds me of one time last xpac on tree boss in Manor, where I went to go charge to help out a DPS stuck in the vines
but it went at a bad angle
and a bad time
pallid quiver
That moment was the single thing that taught one of my friends how vitally important it is to always face enemies, since not blocking, either from no uptime or misplay, is no good
astral harbor
Whats betteroption here ? 🧐
strong forum
hmm maybe i need to do like a 13 or something to experience the booty eating fro...
tbf i havent died to it, but its just a shitty fucking feeling sitting there naked for a handful of seconds just because of greed for a few% of haste
muted arch
That moment was the single thing that taught one of my friends how vitally impor...
Its the annoying thing about prot when trying to gather big pulls imo lmao
real fossil
I have 2 builds for thane
- This is easy content ITF/revenge/crit/ravager
- prepare my butthole bsv hr 👍🏼
pallid quiver
Wait, isn't cleaving strike the thing that the mobs after 1st boss do as part of their cinematic killing the other adds around them, and not part of their usual rotation?
charred palm
tbf i havent died to it, but its just a shitty fucking feeling sitting there nak...
haha i dont think its a greed thign or anything just a question since i see a lot of higher key warriors taking it
strong forum
they take ITF cuz "it feels bad not to have"
charred palm
i feel like everyone is so aggresive over the HR ITF thing lol, was just asking to see whats you guys nthought
mighty valley
it's just asked multiple times every day is all
strong forum
but then, like in the log above, also pick bolster, to make up for the lack of block uptime, and sometimes pay the price
instead of just playing HR and having infinite block
strong forum
Wait, isn't cleaving strike the thing that the mobs after 1st boss do as part of...
no fukin clue
that would be even more hilarious
pallid quiver
I only remember this, because I had the same thing happen on like a +3
real fossil
i feel like everyone is so aggresive over the HR ITF thing lol, was just asking ...
It’s a broader problem of people copying the top 3-4 players blindly which essentially ints themselves
real fossil
Double shield wall must be good blankity runs it 😏
waxen orbit
iDK
charred palm
its definitely a comfy talent
waxen orbit
50% haste feels nice
charred palm
i figured the haste gains would have to be really good but idk
eveyone seems to hate itf
strong forum
î cant tell the difference
dusky canopy
You don’t feel 50% haste
strong forum
eveyone seems to hate itf
its not hating
charred palm
i can tell maybe like the smallest difference
waxen orbit
It's comfier to run HR in high keys tho
strong forum
its just not optimal
waxen orbit
because that 6% diff in SB uptime
real fossil
The haste gain is 6% damage if perfect and always capped
waxen orbit
is noticeable
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1RbPwnpHt6QV7xF8#fight=1&type=deaths&death=1
my bad, it was a +6, and I was shook the rest of the dungo
strong forum
despite block downtime
dusky canopy
I guarantee you do not feel the difference between 40% haste and 50%
strong forum
then andy shows up on RIO leaderboard with HR
waxen orbit
I guarantee you do not feel the difference between 40% haste and 50%
I'm autistic I can assure you I always will
dusky canopy
Just run HR and be a liver
real fossil
I guarantee you do not feel the difference between 40% haste and 50%
Don’t tell me what I can and cannot feel!!! 
pallid quiver
cleaving strike is also not blockable, for the record
dusky canopy
We all know the masses blindly copy rank 1
mighty valley
imo for most players, the biggest benefit of HR is that you just don't have to think about block any more, most players could do with saving on brainpower
real fossil
Double shield wall just feels good
dusky canopy
Don’t tell me what I can and cannot feel!!! <:warriorbrain:1083190485637660734>
I will!!!
charred palm
imo for most players, the biggest benefit of HR is that you just don't have to t...
thats what i was thinking too
solemn current
eveyone seems to hate itf
I love ITF. It’s just not possible to keep shield block up with 15k haste and I don’t want to result to kiting or expecting healers that already don’t pay attention to my health to have to babysit me. I’ll happily take it when I can comfortably keep SB up without praying for downtime (or for weekly keys).
pallid quiver
imo for most players, the biggest benefit of HR is that you just don't have to t...
This is really a major plus point for HR; it even only gets better for uptime as you get more haste, so it's just aggressive amounts of uptime
waxen orbit
^
pallid quiver
but you cap on it Harder
strong forum
ITF gets better the more haste you have
charred palm
youll just perma cap on 23/24sec
thats what he meant by aggresive
real fossil
You can totally forget about active mitigation while things are on fire, and still have 10 seconds left of sb uptime lol
dusky canopy
Mom’s spaghetti
strong forum
we simply dont have the haste levels for ITF to be better in all scenarios
dusky canopy
pallid quiver
In relation terms, 100%, yeah
real fossil
HR gets better the less haste you have
Crit heavy HR build Inc?
strong forum
MRT
muted arch
Ah ok nice gotta figure out how to make it show for dungeon
charred palm
hmm i dont think i like roar over champ spear either
sweet egret
is there anything I'm missing about the 1 point in cruel strikes? I feel like that point is better used elsewhere
tawdry cloak
6sec of blockdowntime, tank got 1shot through BSV
This was a little misleading. He got killed through BSV, but not because he couldn’t keep shield block up. He went in and got one shot in 0.3s before he could even get shield block up
waxen orbit
Imo you wouldn't even have 0.3 seconsd of block downtime with HR
tawdry cloak
HR magically gives you shield block at the start of a pull?
waxen orbit
Oh it was start of pull?
pallid quiver
I'm telling you, he got killed by the cutscene ability
tawdry cloak
Yes, the adds after first boss in mists
pallid quiver
But also, you can have SB at the start of a pull off charge+Avatar alone
waxen orbit
Ya
pallid quiver
And pooled rage from the boss
and also cleaving strikes isn't blockable, anyway, I had SB up and no block happen
tawdry cloak
That’s not a HR vs ITF problem though
mighty valley
it does illustrate the danger of not having block up though
which is a thing that happens at times with ITF
pallid quiver
I do agree it's not a fair point, but the same sort of thing does happen with melees without block up
turbid shuttle
I'm telling you, he got killed by the cutscene ability
that is what it must be. there are no other examples of any damage taken from that ability, and it hit twice for 30m+.
tawdry cloak
Ofc, but if nome is going to spread anti-ITF propaganda, let’s look at real examples, not cherry pick a guy’s mistake that had nothing to do with talent choice
pallid quiver
that is what it must be. there are no other examples of any damage taken from th...
I posted a log with the same thing, and it fucking murdered me on a +6
a +6
i'm scared of those mobs now
charred palm
i'm scared of those mobs now
they know youre scared
thats the problem
dont be scared
turbid shuttle
getting 1-shot by an RP ability isn't really an example of BSV "failing". I'd love to see an example of someone getting 1-shot through BSV with an actual mob ability
pallid quiver
i just don't run up to them as fast, i casually look at the flowers on the way
strong forum
Ofc, but if nome is going to spread anti-ITF propaganda, let’s look at real exam...
it was just a log linked to me and i went over it, its the example i gave that he got 1shot through BSV
not the only point of reference to fight against ITF
ive already brought all the relevant arguments against a talent thats currently the direct result of lack of haste to keep permanent block uptime while tanking
tribal wharf
today is the best day ever
pallid quiver
Nome also isn't the ultimate super wizard of all abilities in the game, so it's not fair to him to know that Cleaving Strikes is specifically a script ability that you usually shouldn't be able to get hit by
tribal wharf
6 haste slots in vault
strong forum
to get 6% potential dmg
turbid shuttle
agree dropping HR for ITF is bad. BSV is amazing though!
charred palm
why is it 6% damage by the way? based on a sim or something
strong forum
si
its a simple sim
so in reality, its even less of a gain
because you dont have 100% uptime on 5 stacks
strong forum
i simply dont play BSV
but ravager or shield charge + champions bulwark an then pick up bolster additionally are the most sensible options
pallid quiver
Most bodies I've seen drop Ravager, but that feels bad
turbid shuttle
Ravager is the play
charred palm
❤️ ravager
turbid shuttle
Dropping ravager that is
wicked pollen
you need prison
turbid shuttle
If you never die anyways keep it. If you're dying occasionally it's an easy swap
strong forum
not a fan because you lose a group pulling and threat building tool, aswell as lack of burst rage gen at the start of a pull
pallid quiver
If you never die anyways keep it. If you're dying occasionally it's an easy swap
instructions unclear, continuing to die from fall damage after 2nd boss of mists because i get path of frosted on the way down
turbid shuttle
I showed a week to two ago that ravager is less rage and less shield block than shield charge. I see no redeeming qualities. It's just strictly worse.
turbid shuttle
instructions unclear, continuing to die from fall damage after 2nd boss of mists...
Ground leap on to the acorn every time
turbid shuttle
except for the scenario i just listed
The range pulling is nice I guess. It's inarguably less rage and less shield block.
strong forum
its burst rage
frosty mango
Tbh losing rage seems the worst
strong forum
at the start of a pull
turbid shuttle
Shield charge is also burst rage at start of pull
frosty mango
Some pulls are really fuckin scary on pull
pallid quiver
I can burn through the rage 1 cast of SC gives me in one ability
strong forum
sure, shield charge is 40 again later of the pull
but to stabilise early, and build threat and rage BEFORE you even charged
ravager is infinitely better
turbid shuttle
It's not 60 unless you're lusted or have very high haste to get 6 ticks. And you get it over 10 seconds not insta.
strong forum
yeah, easier to stabilise
pallid quiver
The bigger issue in higher keys for dropping SC would be losing another potential stop or spell stall, since if certain casts go out, the party is fucking dead
mighty valley
staggered over ticks is better on pull anyway when we have a billion rage incoming
strong forum
correct
pallid quiver
And you'll need more interrupts/stops on higher keys since things live longer
strong forum
also SC is like your 4th spell in the opener
ravager is your first
which again helps setup the pull
turbid shuttle
It's 40 rage vs 50 and you get it half as often, with worse shield block to boot. Crazy take imo but it's your char.
wooden widget
Is there a good write up on HR and ITF? It’s hard to sift through all of nomes responses it starts to seem disjointed.
strong forum
yeah i simply chose not to advocate to drop either
sweet egret
aren't you guys taking both?
turbid shuttle
And that doesn't even count the implicit rage from a free shield block and revenge
strong forum
good for you
but im simply giving players their own option between the 2
youre arguing as only 1 is correct
when the answer is neither is
pallid quiver
aren't you guys taking both?
You generally have to give up one or the other to get BSV, which is where the stress comes from, since giving up any of the talents in the center section is
less than preferable in all cases
turbid shuttle
2 weeks ago you were arguing only 1 is correct
fluid widget
Seal of the poisoned pact (heroic) is going to be better than a mythic tier piece, right?
turbid shuttle
And I was flamed in this discord (by you no less) for pointing it out
pallid quiver
That means nome is wrong 5ever and he's a dumbo
turbid shuttle
I'm glad to have convinced you though
turbid shuttle
Hopefully next time you won't attack me personally for pointing out a flawed argument
strong forum
when have i ever attacked you personally
charred palm
is everyone in here always this aggresive
sweet egret
show logs
mighty valley
Is there a good write up on HR and ITF? It’s hard to sift through all of nomes r...
HR is the safe pick that guarantees block uptime, ITF is just a big (inconsistent) haste buff that will leave you with some block gaps with current realistic haste values
pallid quiver
is everyone in here always this aggresive
There's actually not that much actual aggression going on here. Arguments are being attacked, not people
strong forum
is everyone in here always this aggresive
not rly, its just when people come in to fight
pallid quiver
if you feel offended by having your arguments attacked, you need to re-evaluate what you're arguing for and why you hold those beliefs
charred palm
Is there a good write up on HR and ITF? It’s hard to sift through all of nomes r...
HR = very comfy, no shield block down time. ITF = small SB downtime, small damage increase
wooden widget
Ok and I assume the reduced SS dmg from not having block up is taken into account
strong forum
thats what the sim does ye
wooden widget
Kk Ty
I just do itf on heroic cuz it feels better. And there’s not really a chance to die.
long bronze
heroic raid?
strong forum
in raid you can always run ITF
wooden widget
Yeah
pallid quiver
If you mean raid, raid is a different ball game
tawdry cloak
is everyone in here always this aggresive
Only if you try to challenge the wowhead build
wooden widget
Oh ok
pallid quiver
Since there's tons of people here
long bronze
unless you're solo tanking something itf is the pick in raid
soft tusk
@turbid shuttle you never want to go against a theorycrafter's ego.. it's like confronting boomers...
wooden widget
Ok I’ll try it on reclear tonight!
long bronze
you're gonna have 5 stacks and you have plenty of offtanking time for SB to recharge
pallid quiver
Only if you try to challenge the wowhead build
If that's what you think, you have not actually been looking in here other than to sate your own self-worth; people get into actual aggressive spats over various other random shit
long bronze
or other boss shenaniganz
turbid shuttle
<@119594847504957440> you never want to go against a theorycrafter's ego.. it's ...
I'd rather be less offensive than this if possible. I just try to make factual arguments and hope not to get flamed for it.
pallid quiver
I've had people attack my character and person for:
- Talking about fighting games
- Talking about audio queues and their speed versus visual queues
- Defining BSV as not a cheat death because it doesn't save you if you actually die
none of which are related to the wowhead guide at all
nimble laurel
why are most warrior no longer taking ravager for keys?
charred palm
ravager fun button
mighty valley
I've had people attack my character and person for:
- Talking about fighting gam...
what kind of person uses bullet points on discord. you're going straight to hell
strong forum
cuz they want BSV
deft mortar
pallid quiver
why are most warrior no longer taking ravager for keys?
They're dropping it for BSV, because they view it as necessary to avoid dying or just want the comfort of a cheat that's not really a cheat
turbid shuttle
I've had people attack my character and person for:
- Talking about fighting gam...
your last point is incorrect. outside of raid 1-shot type things (like the RP ability death linked above), you cannot die through BSV in any normal scenario. the amount of damage required is too high.
pallid quiver
what kind of person uses bullet points on discord. you're going straight to hell
For the record, they started as -
Discord just marks them into bullet points if they're layered like that
unless you escape them
strong forum
no the point is correct, BSV is not a true cheat death because it doesnt proc on death
its that simple
pallid quiver
^^^
long bronze
dying is so cringe
strong forum
its a pseudo-cheat death
pallid quiver
It's like a cracked out Will of the Necropolis
turbid shuttle
any scenario where you would previously have died, you will instead not die
strong forum
who says you wouldve died
there are plenty of points where you drop to 30%
without dying
valid bridge
They're dropping it for BSV, because they view it as necessary to avoid dying or...
Do you think there's value in dropping ravager for my use case? (+10s, solo queuing into pug groups with about 619 ilvl currently)
strong forum
thats why its a pseudo-cheat death
soft tusk
Like I said before Papa..
pallid quiver
If there are mechs that just kill you not from damage, but cheats still work on, BSV will do nothing
turbid shuttle
you're confusing necessary and sufficient. sometimes it procs when you would not have died, but every time you would have died it procs and saves you
soft tusk
Like confronting a boomer
strong forum
Prom we're simply having a discussion
pallid quiver
you're confusing necessary and sufficient. sometimes it procs when you would not...
Not necessarily, since it can proc before you get to death range, and then die, from things like passive bleed damage over time
turbid shuttle
Not necessarily, since it can proc before you get to death range, and _then_ die...
yes, if it's on cooldown it can't save you
long bronze
imagine if purg proced at 30% 
turbid shuttle
if you're at 40% hp and you get hit for 80% of your HP, you will not die
pallid quiver
Do you think there's value in dropping ravager for my use case? (+10s, solo queu...
You can easily do +10s without BSV, 11s as well. You'd only want to start thinking about it at 12s due to the difficulty jump, but it still isn't necessary
strong forum
correct
pallid quiver
imagine if purg proced at 30% <:critcake:984549832511344640>
This is one of the key points here
strong forum
thats why true cheat deaths hold more value
pallid quiver
It won't only proc when it saves you, like a cheat death
To assume otherwise is a form of confirmation bias
strong forum
because theres plenty of scenarios when you drop just low enough to proc bsv
and then the danger is over
pallid quiver
You're going from the result and working backwards instead of getting to the result
soft tusk
Even if it said "1%" these guys would still argue "it's not a cheat death because you didn't die."
Back to my point..
pallid quiver
Hence why it's not a true cheat death; it can work similarly, but it does not in pure function
turbid shuttle
sometimes it will proc when you don't need it, but very frequently it will proc when you do
vivid orchid
usually if damage intake is so severe that you would die rapidly without bsv, something else has probably gone wrong
turbid shuttle
hell you can even just bake it in. you can do pulls you otherwise couldn't survive, knowing you'll cheat on this pull
strong forum
i dont personally like this argument because ive never seen it in practice
pallid quiver
That's actually the point that we used in DF and still to now for why you'd want to bring BSV
strong forum
people like to bring that point but idk
pallid quiver
But I've only seen someone plan around it once in DF
strong forum
pulls are usually made around the dps surviving
pallid quiver
And it also involved them proc'ing it early since it was still bugged at that point
turbid shuttle
an example from my recent experience: double pulling 3-packs in GB 2nd boss area
there's 4 shadowflame slashes in that pull. I proc BSV every time, but survive.
soft tusk
dps don't survive if tank dies
pallid quiver
pulls are usually made around the dps surviving
Though this is also the key point with current dungeon design
turbid shuttle
there's not much damage on dps, but tank living is very very hard
soft tusk
lol
pallid quiver
As damage usually is sorted into phases of damage on party (DPS+Heals) or damage on Tank
strong forum
ah
turbid shuttle
the 3-packs beside them
turbid shuttle
4 shadowflame slash + 2 caster
pallid quiver
He's pulling the packs on the sides of the hallway
strong forum
theyre spread so far apart
turbid shuttle
I go molten -> molten (bosses pats by) -> double 3-pack (boss comes back) -> boss
dk grip
pallid quiver
But I only know of the two packs there, not 3
turbid shuttle
only 1 caster also they just run in
turbid shuttle
you can but that's actually more dangerous imo
soft tusk
You can pull the entire room but that's actually even more dangerous imo
strong forum
prom youre literally contributing nothing rn 
soft tusk
Great observation
pallid quiver
There should really only be tank damage off the top of my head; since Molten tries to slam you, and the flame slashes
turbid shuttle
there's huge group damage luerce
charred palm
you guys going for0.1% title this season?
strong forum
nah cba
inner wren
hell no
strong forum
pushing keys is too degenerate imo
valid bridge
I don't know if my input has any value on this as someone who only pugs, but in 99% of cases the limiting factor for how big I can pull isn't whether I'm gonna die or not, it's whether the healer can keep the DPS alive through more caster mobs than we have interrupts for. Most of my bricked keys are me standing there with the other 4 dead because someone forgot where their interrupt or defensive buttons were
so I dont know if Id get any value out of BSV at all
turbid shuttle
3 casters (beguilers) with 2 casts each - sear mind is stun + big dam, and a big dam bolt
strong forum
ye
strong forum
ye but its still alot going on
turbid shuttle
that's 6 kicks
zinc shale
Wtf Obsidian Beam doesnt get ignored by Spellblock?
vivid orchid
sear can be stopped not just kicked, if you let it start channeling
turbid shuttle
if you pull even more on top it's very difficult
valid bridge
Wtf Obsidian Beam doesnt get ignored by Spellblock?
Thought spellblock was only targetted spells?
strong forum
spellblock generally works on everything but dots
charred palm
i wonder if theres a way to see what the current 0.1% rating is on raiderio or something
pallid quiver
Thought spellblock was only targetted spells?
no it's whatever blizz says it works on
turbid shuttle
obsidian beam is a targeted tankbuster, believe it or not
valid bridge
no it's whatever blizz says it works on
lmao i wish i was surprised
pallid quiver
Usually everything but dots, but sometimes it blocks dots (Sark in Aberrus) and sometimes not dots
charred palm
ooooooooooo
strong forum
the raider.io cutoff calculators is only a snapshot every now and again
this one is more accurate
pallid quiver
Wtf Obsidian Beam doesnt get ignored by Spellblock?
Also, spell block should work on obsidian beam iirc, just it doesn't always crit block mega ignore
turbid shuttle
I gotta get back to work. @strong forum nice discussing with you. Please don't let 1 or 2 people in the DH discord I've fought with in the past totally colour your opinion of me.
pallid quiver
obsidian beam just turbo hurts
He means the tank buster portion
charred palm
https://mplus-title.vercel.app/
is the score-x on the US line graph the cutoff you need for the title? that what its saying?
pallid quiver
That comes out when beam is cast
soft tusk
https://mplus-title.vercel.app/
That's a lot of graphs, which one am I looking at?
pallid quiver
iirc it goes by the same name in damage taken breakdowns
strong forum
is the score-x on the US line graph the cutoff you need for the title? that what...
its the number at the end of the line
that displays current cutoff
pallid quiver
... or at least I assume that's what the original fellow meant was the tank buster portion
soft tusk
2882 for .01%?
strong forum
cuz reset just happened
charred palm
as of today yes
soft tusk
lmao.. hell no
strong forum
2882 for .01%?
at the exactly currently ratings, yes
if the title were to be given out THIS SECOND
it would be 2882
for US
and 2921 for EU
soft tusk
Hell no..
earnest cove
Is it just me or does "Sikrans Endless Arsenal" just does nothing for DPS?
earnest cove
Using it on cooldown, still nothing
pallid quiver
and 2921 for EU
US continues to be the land of the free, even in an entirely different genre of game smh
strong forum
US is historically 50-70 points behind EU in terms of cutoff range ye
fallow fern
So right now i have 619 belt/bracer with duskthread lining.. and a 619 shield with nothing on it.. I have enough gilded crests for one 636 item.. should be belt.. or shield?
strong forum
shield
valid bridge
Looking for opinions. Between these two (ignore ilvl), which trinket would you rather have equipped for M+? (doing 10s currently)
strong forum
is by far your most impactul item
fallow fern
ok, ty
soft tusk
Speed
strong forum
silken chain weaver defensively, quick candle for general usefulness
charred palm
i use the chain weaver sometimes
earnest cove
Was doing like 10k DPS on my 11 CoT
strong forum
got a log?
pallid quiver
Looking for opinions. Between these two (ignore ilvl), which trinket would you r...
Keep the chain weaver around for future use; you might find it helpful for scarier dungos if you push
earnest cove
gusty dagger
Anybody think the brd heroic loot particularly the trinkets will be any good for prot?
dusky canopy
I aint pushing 12+
All 12s timed at just + is about 2900 score
valid bridge
Keep the chain weaver around for future use; you might find it helpful for scari...
The 850k damage absorb... is that total damage from all mobs, or is it up to 850k from EACH mob?
soft tusk
All 12s timed at just + is about 2900 score
exactly.. I aint doing anything past a 12
pallid quiver
The 850k damage absorb... is that total damage from all mobs, or is it up to 850...
More specifically, it's for the attack speed slow
Since that is dynamic damage reduction
soft tusk
If we are already close to that threshold with .01% title.. that means it will continue to rise.. I am fucking good.
strong forum
you missed out on a few casts, sometimes having 40+ seconds of not using the trinket
but yeah thats the dmg it did
tribal wharf
the heroics from old expansions dont count towads weekly
strong forum
raw dmg throughput trinkets arent all that hot this xpac for tanks
cuz theyre all nerfed by 30% for us
soft tusk
The skill play between 11 and 12 is already crazy enough.
valid bridge
More specifically, it's for the attack speed slow
I figured as much, but was trying to gauge the value of the other aspect of it. If it's only 850k absorb no matter how many mobs I hit, seems pretty negligable, but the attack speed seems nice
dusky canopy
I’m not going to stress trying to push M+ score this season personally because I’ve been averaging one invite per hour trying to get into 12s/13s as Fury and it’s just annoying as hell
I’ll do friend/guild keys though for sure
strong forum
I figured as much, but was trying to gauge the value of the other aspect of it. ...
the attack speed is the big one
earnest cove
really dont know which trinket i should use, all kinda suck... dunno
waxen orbit
12 CoT just bricked because Blizz is a shit company and the Test subject pack next to 4th boss room got wall-pulled by something while we're fighting 3rd boss
earnest cove
sac is no drop... only veteran piece
waxen orbit
I can't time a 12
long bronze
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kmM38hcWLq4PZ2Hp#fight=last&type=damage-don...
don't forget the 3k strength you got the entire time
strong forum
youll literally reduce (most) dmg intake in pulls by straight up 15% every time you use the trinket
waxen orbit
Dogshit fucking game
strong forum
12 CoT just bricked because Blizz is a shit company and the Test subject pack ne...
looo
pallid quiver
12 CoT just bricked because Blizz is a shit company and the Test subject pack ne...
Simply play better by not using any abilities
that'll show 'em
valid bridge
youll literally reduce (most) dmg intake in pulls by straight up 15% every time ...
Fair point. That is definitely significant.
earnest cove
don't forget the 3k strength you got the entire time
sure, but thats a no brainer for almost all trinkets
long bronze
not really
strong forum
silken chain weaver is for that reason the technically best tank trinket this season for big pulls
long bronze
like half are secondarys
valid bridge
Should I be intentionally trying to play around this by taunting at the start of dangerous pulls even if I don't need to taunt?
strong forum
cuz it, atleast i from my knowledge, just fucking slows all adds attack speed, which is massive
earnest cove
silken chain weaver is for that reason the technically best tank trinket this se...
its Delve only right?
strong forum
ye
tribal wharf
its not the greatest trinket ever
strong forum
Should I be intentionally trying to play around this by taunting at the start of...
eeeeh
strong forum
not a fan of the trinket cuz its practically 24/7 on CD
dusky canopy
You probably taunt at the start of every pull
strong forum
so unless you deliberately hold off on using taunt for until you specifically need it, its mostly just fluff
valid bridge
Yeah Im under no delusion this will be saving me midpull, seems more like a buffer to make the start of big pulls easier
tribal wharf
50% (if not eaten) buff
strong forum
foor the start of pulls, sure ig
valid bridge
its about the smoothing though, not the total absorb I think
strong forum
ye in a world with 11mil+ hp
valid bridge
but yeah not amazing
soft tusk
he's saying.. it's the best trinket 1st week of expansion
long bronze
I really wouldn't use it unless you don't have anything better
valid bridge
Got it from vault and it's my only mythic trinket currently so gonna be rocking it regardless
strong forum
its the hidden OP trinket
tribal wharf
its okay for if you have to live, thats about it
valid bridge
ive had bad lucks with trinkets so far
long bronze
don't leak it nom
dusky canopy
It’s not useless by any means it’s just not super
valid bridge
and I PUG everything so I have no idea how fast my healer is when I start a dungeon
so maybe for that use case its not bad
strong forum
i tried to leak it to as many as i could before it was made unaccessible
well except on wowhead
long bronze
I never did get the m0 one 😦
strong forum
well it was never out for m0 was it
tulip oar
cuz it, atleast i from my knowledge, just fucking slows all adds attack speed, w...
So farm delves for that thing?
strong forum
strong forum
So farm delves for that thing?
i wouldnt specifically farm for it
long bronze
it was before season I thought
pallid quiver
nah that was tome of lights devotion, and it still cranks
I'm still sad I never got one
strong forum
yeah but m0 was only season dungeons
pallid quiver
it was before season I thought
M0s started with season dungeons, yeah
long bronze
well mine has speed on it
pallid quiver
And when those came out, Heroics swapped to season dungeons, as well, iirc
long bronze
so I'm living the big life
tulip oar
I will start doing delves in prot loot.
valid bridge
I was blessed by delves with 3 of these, including one from a delvers bounty weeks ago
strong forum
rip
valid bridge
Yeah thats my only other hero track trinket
strong forum
i made sure to farm heroic priory to get my tome
valid bridge
wait I lied, I have meathook I just havent warmed up to it yet
I got really excited thinking this was a pseudo deathgrip at first
was very sad
strong forum
its just a send and forget trinket
long bronze
ez 40k dps + 2k crit from a < 600 ilvl trinket np
strong forum
pick a prio target, and send it
valid bridge
I suppose its not awful for stitchflesh (ironically)
where i wanna burn something fast
inner wren
ez 40k dps + 2k crit from a < 600 ilvl trinket np
what a beast
heavy wigeon
is raid buff broken? turned in and 0 bonus
strong forum
signal field
Foul Behemoth's or Swarmlords?
strong forum
tome go brrrr
strong forum
Foul Behemoth's or Swarmlords?
foul behemoth is infinitely more dmg than swarmlords, and swarmlords gives you a small absorb with a 1min cd
pick your poison
long bronze
also max hp
dense cradle
you still using tome?
long bronze
don't let nom lie to you he's a dps main
strong forum
no chance of that happening
dense cradle
when priory m+
strong forum
i got to tank queen HC on my alt war tho
turns out, she doesnt hurt even on a 585 war
edgy bone
Boys I think 639 larynx poops on 626 mad queens mandate
ivory bay
Is there a reason why swarmlord/foul behemoth is rated low for prot from the Wowhead page, but for other tanks it's rated much higher? I assume it's because at a certain gear point, you'll start priortizing damage instead of surivability but is that correct?
signal field
im just benched on my warrior for broodtwister :)
strong forum
Is there a reason why swarmlord/foul behemoth is rated low for prot from the Wow...
different writers different opinions
i dont rate them high cuz i dont think theyre that useful
pwar is so disgustingly tanky that defensive trinkets often fall incredibly short or superfluous
dusky canopy
😱 Nomes not a follower!?!?
signal field
amen
strong forum
Boys I think 639 larynx poops on 626 mad queens mandate
i think so aswell
long bronze
I mean if you stand in the frontal for sure
dense cradle
shh
ivory bay
gotcha, ty for the quick reply
signal field
standinginfrontals is my middle name
strong forum
also paired with the fact that the trinkets just dont do a whole lot
dense cradle
swarmlords feels pad
strong forum
compared to older, much more useful, trinkets
strong forum
getting a 2-3mil absorb every minute when tanks have 10-12mil HP
really doesnt strike me as useful
toxic pewter
my vault was mythic gloves vs mythic rashanan organ trinekt and i went with the trinket but maybe i should of just went with the mythic gloves
dense cradle
probably just stat trinkets no
strong forum
dense cradle
is foul behemoth dam reduced for tanks
long bronze
wait what
strong forum
is foul behemoth dam reduced for tanks
no because its a tank trinket
long bronze
strong forum
but foul behemoth works in the same way for dps
inner wren
dont worry, its fine guys, soon de other side will come to s2 and we'll all be forced to farm iqd for ten years
dusky canopy
Hmmm
strong forum
so they get huge HP increases throughout the fight in raid
dusky canopy
long bronze
that's actually hiliarious
sharp epoch
Would you recommend socket or haste mastery myth belt from vault when I already have a crafted belt (619 currently but I can send it 636 this week)