@lusty grotto i can play prot 
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wicked pollen
shell atlas
How is the wax trinket treating you? I've heard it's pretty good by folks in some places, but it doesn't show on any of the major lists (WowHead/Icy Veins) or even on Azure
vivid lantern
I think I’m one to press ignore pain too much. It is usually my top casted with shield slam 2nd.
I tend to like getting it to 3m. Or is that not necessary?
I did 3 +9 dawn breakers earlier.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MfPNFkRKLgxmchB3#fight=2&type=damage-done
i think I could have done much better job with shield wall, but in a 9 the dmg doesn’t seem that bad unless I over pull.
I think I’m getting rage staved because I’m spamming IP.
deft mortar
I think I’m getting rage staved because I’m spamming IP.
ever since I switched to Thane
I am IP capped
about to run my Grim Batol 12
idk what to bring
oh well this 2.9k resto shammy can tell me instead
warm garden
It's a nice net in pugs but, should I take impenetrable instead?
merry trout
for grim batol, 2nd boss, do you guys clear all platforms before pulling boss or is just first platform enough?
warm garden
How is the wax trinket treating you? I've heard it's pretty good by folks in som...
Meh, don't notice it really
warm garden
YIKES I did not know that okay yep swapping to that
Anyways with 2 shield wall charges and HR I had that glorious 23s shield block and I was doing way better
deft mortar
this is so unhinged LMAO
he was signed up, i didnt eevne decline or anything
bro immedaitely text this
toxic pewter
there is a serious mental health crisis in this world
elfin cedar
This feels like a dumb question to ask, but icy veins and wowhead prot guides both say the crit-vers shoulders from necrowake are BIS. Shouldn't it be the crit haste shoulders from city of thread?
toxic pewter
honestly doesnt matter much just get highest ilvl shoulders you can
elfin cedar
i meant assuming i have both at equivalent ilevel
toxic pewter
I guess haste is generally wanted yes
wicked pollen
they probably sim higher assuming you have all other gear on that bis list
elfin cedar
how is that possible? I didn't think we had nearly enough haste at this level to start reaching diminishing returns like that
sharp gale
for grim batol, 2nd boss, do you guys clear all platforms before pulling boss or...
I do the first pack lava fist, then go on the other lava fist pack in the roundish thing, the boss pass, I do the 3 dude pack(shadow flame slash one) with/without the boss
elfin cedar
it's how much damage you do compared to the average prot warrior for that fight
real fossil
Out of 100 prot warriors, you can beat 24 of them
elfin cedar
higher numbers mean you are performing above average, lower numbers mean you're doing poorly
real fossil
And 75 are better than you based on your damage in those fights
I’d go read the rotation page on wowhead!
heavy sparrow
Out of 100 prot warriors, you can beat 24 of them
I guess that's a bad thing huh
pallid quiver
Of note is that specific page will also note the percent at the time of your best
heavy sparrow
pallid quiver
So if you performed better early on in gearing, but performed worse as people go geared, it'd still say your best was 95th oercentile, even if the damage in it would now be like a 70th percentile
potent tapir
how is everyone ddealing with the double guardian packs in Mists?
they are absolutely dunking on me with anima slash and melee
just bricked a 8 cause of double guardian shaper tender pack
pallid quiver
SR and then Spell Block/Shield Wall/etc
The cast is reflectable, so you should only get one stack of the debuff
south zealot
I think I’m one to press ignore pain too much. It is usually my top casted with ...
your casts are fine
potent tapir
The cast is reflectable, so you should only get one stack of the debuff
awesome thanks i thought that too but i thought it was a melee so didnt think of reflect
merry trout
can someone share their grim batol route pls
heavy sparrow
deft mortar
nah its rly hard to pug 12s
deft mortar
can someone share their grim batol route pls
dungeon is almost linear man
deft mortar
nah its rly hard to pug 12s
not as hard as having all my pres online at the same time tho..
edgy bone
is anyone crafting gloves
tacit fulcrum
Hello guys
Can someone take a look
I don't understand why i take "la bite" as we say in french.
I'm taking a lot of damage.
You have to look at the COT
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FThAtQn3mDL8pG2k#fight=last&start=9254509&end=9322446
https://raider.io/characters/eu/elune/Yoyö
I took this pack (see screenshot) and got totally obliterated
I have 96% shield block uptime on the pack, wall shield was on CD (i used it on boss during the AOE)
"Dernier rempart" The PV upgrade CD in used
Spell block was on CD, and up during 10% of the fight
And don't say something like "you suck".
I know, but that's not the point.
I mean, i don't know what i did wrong
Thank you ❤️
And i take a lot of damage anyway on all the dungeon
glass vector
do you go 2x duskthread/dawnthread or are you supposed to go 1 duskthread 1 dawnthread
warm plinth
waxen orbit
The shit I am experiencing in this 12s/13s is breaking me as a person
merry trout
dungeon is almost linear man
I want to see the pack pulls. Coz a healer just blamed me for pulling those fire guys with other pack to try to time th key after a wipe. Thing is, i could easily handle it but that guy died for standing in frontal -_-
and we wiped and the key bricked. They were like you never pull that guy with another pack, etc
nocturne spindle
do you go 2x duskthread/dawnthread or are you supposed to go 1 duskthread 1 dawn...
It like literally doesn't matter what you do with them
They're basically equivalent
zealous goblet
anyone got a good potion weakaura i can use?
muted arch
If you had 5 mythic track vault slots, a mythic shield but no mythic weapon; are you opening as prot or fury?
slate oxide
Are you still opening vault/loot end of m+ in prot or did you switch?
primal narwhal
Is a potential myth track Ara trinket better upgrade than a 639 wpn? Prob wanna sim that
rain light
finally
fallow fern
sorry if this has been answered before.. but is there a reason ppl are saying authority of the depths is better than radiant power? .. looks like radiant power sims better in aoe.. e.g. M+..
vague badge
i setup my plater to only display important debuffs from myself. which debuffs should i track as protection warrior
violet ginkgo
sorry if this has been answered before.. but is there a reason ppl are saying au...
If you exclusively M+ go radiant. If you exclusively raid Depth.
If you do both then up to you
round cliff
is there an easy way to handle multiple item sets when u get a new item
that u want in both
pallid quiver
is there an easy way to handle multiple item sets when u get a new item
cry that you play fury and only it can dual wield 2Hs
lone current
Hello guys
Can someone take a look
I don't understand why i take "la bite" as w...
That's a pretty wild pull. All of those mobs do some sort of phys dmg move. 11x of those mobs have a stacking phys dmg debuff and 2x of them have a stacking bigger tank hit.
round cliff
make multiple item sets
no i mean
i have multiple item sets
i get a new item
now u have to equip it, switch set, equip it again
switch set
anyways i almost bricked a 5 ara-kara ama
wicked pollen
yeah no other way i think
round cliff
memorizing routes gotta be the thing im worst at
wasted a ton of time with my yolo swag route
wicked pollen
which dungeon are you struggling at
round cliff
i wouldnt say struggling, if u had me do it again i know my way around now
ara kara
like i know it NOW
smoky anvil
3/8 10s timed, 5 to go.
wicked pollen
3/8 10s timed, 5 to go.
you are a demon for doing it this late
jagged gust
3/8 10s timed, 5 to go.
Just quit out of a 10 NW with 270 deaths, I guess I ain't timing that one this week
smoky anvil
you are a demon for doing it this late
was earlier tonight lol
wicked pollen
Just quit out of a 10 NW with 270 deaths, I guess I ain't timing that one this w...
wtf is that
round cliff
270...
smoky anvil
Just quit out of a 10 NW with 270 deaths, I guess I ain't timing that one this w...
my condolences, my sweet prince
you'll get it next week
wicked pollen
my worst is 105 in AD +18
fierce skiff
Is anyone else Getting absolutely hammered in Dawnbreaker? I am struggling hard to stay alive on some of these packs. Not all just like the house LT and its mobs and the air ship spider packs in the beginning.
wicked pollen
no
do you have a log
because saying that without context is not useful information to diagnose a problem
jagged gust
Air ship spiders genuinely smack at higher keys, needs interrupts
I saw nomer get his BSV popped through SW in a 12 after a missed kick
fierce skiff
I do not have a log. I will log it next time just curious if it was a common occurrence people had.
I dont run BSV but maybe for that one i should.
I am still doing baby keys so may just be a skill issue.
smoky anvil
what key level, bud?
jagged gust
Yeah definitely a skill issue, nothing truly starts to hurt until you're past 10s
fierce skiff
But like at a 4 i struggled and rhe other dungeons i dont take damage.
smoky anvil
4 is a pressing button issue
if you're thane and mauling your buttons the way you need to, you'll have wall for both, and avatar for both
make sure to rotate kicks and reflects on the bolt and you're bing chillin
fierce skiff
Maybe it is a kick issue. I will have to log and let yall see if i am doing something wrong fundamentally as well.
round cliff
do u have a plater profile that highlights important kicks in an impossible to miss color
you should if u dont
smoky anvil
if you're getting mauled in a 4, there's 100% more on your end you can be doing
jagged gust
in a 4 you shouldn't be taking much damage from anything, if your hp is yoyoing you might simply be taking unblocked hits
smoky anvil
you should be invincible in anything below a 10
wicked pollen
yes
fierce skiff
That means they got to my back right?
smoky anvil
yes, I take tankbusters for funsies to not get bored
jagged gust
especially if you charge on the middle mob, you'll take double back hits from the adjacent enemies on either side
round cliff
like my shield is a veteran 609 and i still take frontals to the face if i feel lazy
smoky anvil
it means you dropped shield block
get a WA to track shield block uptime
make sure you keep it up
fierce skiff
Ah ok i will do that.
round cliff
if u dont already have one, id recommend u get a WA pack that tracks everything
at least 4 me its easy to literally forget i have abilities unless they're in a WA pack and displayed to me
fierce skiff
I think i need to modify the one i have to make certain things more noticeable.
Is there a noce clean wa pack yall recommend?
round cliff
i use a super customized version of luxthos'
fierce skiff
Oh and i use a spell cd on plates WA.
round cliff
its mine, so that makes it the best
fierce skiff
Awesome so better WAs and logs. Thanks peeps i appreciate the help. Been a blast so far tanking.
round cliff
you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
wicked pollen
smh
smoky anvil
same
round cliff
unless you are pvping
huge prot war pvp meta
waxen orbit
2700-2800 io bracket is hell
I'd have all 12s timed today if 12s in LFG weren't polluted with people who were never meant to be carried past a 10
I fucking can't bro
Forgive me that's vent posting
I just legit cannot stand the fact that 99% of the playerbase puts in 5% as much effort as the other 1%
and if you don't push with a group/log for several days you're just ass-out and have to put up with the tryhard bracket catching up
at which point you can no longer pug with good LFG players because they've kept up and surpassed the curve
So you're tormented with the knowledge that you don't belong in the IO bracket you're in
but you can't break out unless you get a group to line up
static gale
What’s the main damage generator for prot warriors? Just started playing one tonight. Timed a couple 7s but i only do like 300-400k damage. 623 ilvl (basically my fury set + sword/board). feel like I’m rage starved often and spending it for defensive
woeful trellis
SS and TC if you play thane.
Ss and Revenge if you play colo
Rage starving? Do you have a log
static gale
Nah, just goofing around with it tonight to see if I could figure it out. Playing thane. SS is likely what I’m missing. Thank you sir
Literally went from doing delves to timing 7s because I realized I I couldn’t learn it in delves. Needed to be thrown in
Felt bad because I’m 2650 rating, and people thought they were getting an awesome tank
And had no idea what I was doing lol
RIP
low spindle
for the last boss in grim batol, can i run through as many tentacles as i like while i have the spell reflect buff? or just 2?
woeful trellis
As many as you can
low spindle
ok i was worried i would get stun if i pop more then 1-2
woeful trellis
Nah, just goofing around with it tonight to see if I could figure it out. Playin...
Yeah SS is big, dmg and rage wise
sweet summit
have you looked at timed keys leaderboard?
high wyvern
Literally the best tank rn for pushing high keys
In pugs Veng / Prot pally actually still pretty good cuz op silence
unkempt hazel
waxen orbit
average thwump rant about things that have always been in the game
Yes
Can acknowledge it's worse this season than ever before though
Most top-end M+ players have acknowledged it
jagged pier
brah majority of players are hard stuck at 7s
waxen orbit
Ya
Half the people doing 12s should be too tbh
It's somehow more frustrating than the player base in Shadowlands
jagged pier
well the player base in shadowland were the poor poor souls who actually enjoyed the game and more dedicated to it
so in general they were better
waxen orbit
Idk, people got pretty spoiled by not needing a healer then so there were even issues at that point
but I'd tend to agree, now that I think about it a little more
unkempt hazel
brah majority of players are hard stuck at 7s
calling me out frfr
hard cipher
xD
waxen orbit
Dw it never gets better
unkempt hazel
🙏
dw ik
it got worse actually
we had all these squishes
maybe its time for dps players squish 
stuck basin
how do you get declined as tank in 8's - i even got invitet to 8 mists on my 595 gs brewmaster last week 😅
neon elk
Last week, also kinda depends on day of week and hour
I have dps friend that prefers to play in odd hours cuz its easier to get into groups than during peak hours
unkempt hazel
as dps silly
quasi pivot
0 invites for 10s for 30min. Do a single +10 mists, group invites me to go do 10 GB, then do two 10 Dawn since I'm now past the gatekeeping wall. Just like/beg/steal/bribe your way into a single 10 then the queue game changes instantly if you time it.
soft aspen
Idk, people got pretty spoiled by not needing a healer then so there were even i...
What io are you
That’s a bold claim
tacit knoll
hey people, new protection here - LOVE IT
is the play just to fill out lowest ilvl pieces for crafted gear
or is there some pieces that are by far more worth it than others ( shield etc )? seems like the top players are running the same crafted pieces most of the time
digital ravine
is Duskthrea lining x2 not stacking?
heavy sparrow
45 wipes
jagged pier
is Duskthrea lining x2 not stacking?
u need to reset the buff
buoyant sail
hey guys! Do you guys have a list about what warriors can spell reflect/block in dungeons?
jagged pier
torn current
hey first timer here what is the avergae uptime of shield wall and igno pain from a good player ? ^^
bleak breach
How you guys going in raid?
We got mythic Rash lastnight. Was a setup from the other 3 output wise
sweet summit
hey first timer here what is the avergae uptime of shield wall and igno pain fro...
idk and idk
ip uptime is irrelevant, you use it as a rage dump.
shield wall is more situational but effective cd is like less than a minute with am and the other thing so you have it quite often
bleak breach
hey first timer here what is the avergae uptime of shield wall and igno pain fro...
Depends what content you’re doing imo
torn current
oh my bad not shield wall, shield block
bleak breach
Mountain thane your ip will be very high uptime and you should have shield wall for every pack
torn current
first timer again xD
bleak breach
Shield block will be close to 100 on raid bosses
bleak breach
You playing heavy repurcussions?
sweet summit
shield block uptime doesn't tell you a whole lot
ideally you log and look at blocked hits%. where the goal is as close to 100% as possible, more realistically 95ish%
torn current
i played just a standart build dunno lol
i took the same mountain thane build from yodatv
sweet summit
i recommend using the thane m+ build from wowhead
heavy sparrow
hey first timer here what is the avergae uptime of shield wall and igno pain fro...
Ignore pain is 100% required to be up
sweet summit
that is not true
bleak breach
Thane is much better then colossus if you’re new
heavy sparrow
Think of it as a commanding shout or like a rogues bleed
bleak breach
Better overall anyway, but colossus can be fun for the frontloaded damage
heavy sparrow
Gotta get those 8 stack 1.9m Crit SS booooyyyy
tardy abyss
i took the same mountain thane build from yodatv
He plays builds that are specifically for super high keys because they need to be played differently, you're better off not using them for now
thin pecan
Is anyone else getting destroyed by the last pack in the maze in Mists?
jagged pier
nope
bleak breach
Is anyone else getting destroyed by the last pack in the maze in Mists?
Spellblock
jagged pier
double guardians hurt u need to use defesnives correctly
hoary pivot
Ignore pain is 100% required to be up
That is not true and people will sometimes be rage starved if they try to follow that
thin pecan
double guardians hurt u need to use defesnives correctly
Ok cool, really good to know. Will get good!
unkempt hazel
see u in top 10 soon then
sweet summit
if it dies slow you will take huge damage. but with spell reflect, shield wall and spell block in your arsenal you should be fine. with only spell block up the dot still fucks so you might just be at the mercy of your healer
tender reef
Is anyone else getting destroyed by the last pack in the maze in Mists?
I was yesterday, healer blamed me I didn't use SB before pulling
wintry dock
Is there a list of dangerous trashmobs? Like shredders and guardians or is it just learn by die?
sweet summit
trial and error mostly
strong forum
A lot about wow is just experience
Whenever sounds like "fire slash" "frostbolt" "shadowflame rend" and has a castbar and is directed at you, be it interruptable or uninterruptable those are usually the dangerous things to look out for and use CDs or spell reflect against
Anything slam, crush, smash, strike is usually just physical damage that is blockable
molten gorge
They often make the dangerous spells sound dangerous I feel
strong forum
Yeah
molten gorge
Shadowflame Rend, I'm shaking reading that
strong forum
The name alone is oftentimes your biggest hint when encountering something new
strong forum
Shadowflame Rend, I'm shaking reading that
My first reaction when seeing that ability and it being an uninterruptable cast I was like "oh okay this I can probably reflect"
And voila, it is
molten gorge
Haha
strong forum
Literally instinct to pop SR on casts I don't know
jade tartan
is web eruption on broodtwister deflectable?
strong forum
That's an aoe
strong forum
So I would say no
molten gorge
Aoe
jade tartan
its able to be completly negated by freedom and pre ams
strong forum
Yeah cuz it prevents the application of the debuff
strong forum
Spell reflect doesn't prevent debuff application in 98% of cases
jade tartan
it is a directed spell on you isnt it.
molten gorge
"Cast on you"
strong forum
Without ifs or buts
jade tartan
also, you can reflect/deflect princess lines. that certainly isnt directed on you mr
waxen orbit
What io are you
2775
strong forum
It works, and sometimes doesn't
molten gorge
it is a directed spell on you isnt it.
AoE isn't cast on you, it's cast on the area
jade tartan
Hazbuk
molten gorge
That's why it's Area of Effect
jade tartan
That thing is a direct spell on you.
and ive mentioned examples within the same raid, where you can deflect aoe effects that are not directed to you
the only logical anwsner was given by nomeratur
strong forum
Yeh SR is different case by case
jade tartan
the sheet doenst mention the spell at all
molten gorge
Then probably can't be
jade tartan
maybe you check first before advice
stuck basin
y but sometimes you can reflect aoes and sometimes you cant on targetet abilitys - its a lot of test and learn or reading spreadsheet 😉
jade tartan
the sheet is directed towards tank players.
The web eruption can only be obtained by healers
and dps
strong forum
I've progged as DPS and I wanna say if you're pre-sr the game just says "nah I'll give it to someone else"
but I don't have proof
It's just feelycraft
jade tartan
Well, ive bladestormed it, which is as you mentioned, the same reason not to get teh buff as with freedom
strong forum
Not like it matters much as slayer dps cuz you have the charge thingy
Where you just leap out, and charge removes it for you
jade tartan
Not like it matters much as slayer dps cuz you have the charge thingy
ideally you woundt want to run auto of meele at all and save leap for other things, right?
jade tartan
theres no real reason to not use leap, you are right.
but i still wonder, if dk's can pre ams it.
If warriors could deflect it
molten gorge
Try it out?
strong forum
Can't confirm or deny without scouring all my logs to see if I got Web with SR up
Memory doesn't serve me well
jade tartan
well, if you pre ams / freedom. You are not getting the application at all. Dunno how you would figure out in the logs.
our dk/pals are doing it. i am pressing SR aswell.
strong forum
By checking if I got Web with SR up
jade tartan
the good thing about it is it gets rid of the disspell so noone is rooted. thats the big thing about it
strong forum
Yeah
So does pre-bladestorm
Bad part is
Getting Web 0.1s before you bladestorm
jade tartan
exacftly, but pre-bladestorming isnt an option right?
jade tartan
i mean there is only 2 overlaps of adds and web if i remember correctly
strong forum
Happened multiple times on first adds
jade tartan
but you never wanna bladestorm for that mechanic, right.
as you said as slayer you already have the tool to be not reliant on "stupid" healers
But for exactly the reason u pointed out i would have wanted to know if its deflectable. so i dont fuckover the raid with a bladestorm. Since that certainly has happend aswell... once or twice...
molten gorge
Not sure if this helps, but I checked some logs of some guilds progressing the boss, and there are warriors taking damage from Sticky Web (which I think is the direct cast element) while Reflect is up
so looks like it doesn't negate the same way AMS does
blazing verge
Hello guys, as new warrior ilvl 600 whats the best item i can craft rn? One handed or shield?
buoyant sail
Guys is the Spellreflect sheet up to date? I don't see the Trash Faceless Corruptor on the Grim Batol list
graceful kite
Hello guys, as new warrior ilvl 600 whats the best item i can craft rn? One hand...
Shield
zinc shale
Whats a good overall uptime on shieldblock in a m+dung?
buoyant sail
and im pretty sure its channeling ability is reflectable
graceful kite
Whats a good overall uptime on shieldblock in a m+dung?
You aim for effective 100%
zinc shale
Of course, but thats not the question
zinc shale
Since SB cant be extended with the M+ talents i dont see how thats possible
molten gorge
with HR and low haste you should be 95%+
graceful kite
Question is incorrect because its not about uptime its about blocked and unblocked hits
molten gorge
with ITF and high haste you should be 95%+
zinc shale
ITF?
graceful kite
Since SB cant be extended with the M+ talents i dont see how thats possible
Hr extends shield block, haste from itf cdrs shield block
Heavy repercussions and into the fray choice node
On the left closer to bottom of your spec tree
zinc shale
Is there any logs around showing that high uptime?
molten gorge
lots of them
graceful kite
Guys is the Spellreflect sheet up to date? I don't see the Trash Faceless Corrup...
It should be but It might be an oversight
molten gorge
can link some of mine even
graceful kite
Id test it but its real late into the dungeon and tanks dont get targeted by it
zinc shale
sure
buoyant sail
Id test it but its real late into the dungeon and tanks dont get targeted by it
It is reflectable you just have to do it before the cast goes through
sweet summit
my pb 😎
brittle owl
my pb 😎
IF YOU HAVE RAGE PROBLEMS I FEEL BAD FOR YOU SON, I GOT 99 BLOCKS BUT A HIT AIN'T ONE
molten gorge
need to check recent logs, think I'm at 95 with ITF now
sweet summit
I never usually go and check tbh
i always glance over logs after a session to see what i need to improve on 
molten gorge
I've gotten lazier now cause I think I'm doing okay-ish
jagged pier
molten gorge
I still need to use Wall more, cause pointless having the CDR and then not using it
may as well run the 2x Wall if you're not gonna use it practically on CD
(tho ig the rage is very good too)
brittle owl
plan you wall, either in m+ or in raid
pull more agressively or just use as is to smooth/reduce damage
you should maximize your casts while maintaining coverage during important phases
golden sedge
When do I start using cheat death talent? It seems insanely good, just started pushing 11/12s on my alt prot war
sweet summit
you're an important phase
strong forum
Up to you
brittle owl
cheat death is usually good when you need it otherwise it's useless
golden sedge
yeah, but what would you be losing to take it
brittle owl
if you consistently die without making mistakes, then cheat death can save
strong forum
You lose dmg and tankiness by trying to get BSV
brittle owl
everything - gary oldman
molten gorge
11s and 12s are not where you need BSV imo, especially not after the nerfs
strong forum
The choices are dropping Ravager or Shield Charge + Champions Bulwark
golden sedge
Every 13+ key I've seen prot war, have it everytime without fail
molten gorge
the "safer" play so ofc
golden sedge
so around 13/14+ def take?
molten gorge
and they're playing with a team
golden sedge
yea
brittle owl
cheat death is an answer to
a. low skill
b. extremely low gear
c. extremely high risk plays
strong forum
It's not a def take
molten gorge
I mean, definitely is a strong word
strong forum
You pick it when you want to take it
brittle owl
understand on which point you are
molten gorge
but first time you clear it, maybe you wanna take it as a little crutch in case
but maybe not
golden sedge
Makes sense I see what you guys are trying to say
brittle owl
context matters
tepid furnace
cheat death is an answer to
a. low skill
b. extremely low gear
c. extremely hig...
heal issue with pugs?:)
molten gorge
there's just an argument for both the way I see it, I ran it with and without in a 12 Mists pre-nerf and couldn't really tell the difference, my healer claimed it was easier cause he was less worried about me
but that is psychological imo
strong forum
heal issue with pugs?:)
Then that means that you're not gonna time the key anyway
brittle owl
^
strong forum
If your healer is the one being bad
golden sedge
anyone else having pug groups dispel the affix on tank last tho 🙂
brittle owl
or it's still point a.
strong forum
Everyone will die
graceful kite
heal issue with pugs?:)
Heal issue will kill your group
brittle owl
low skill isnt just yours
graceful kite
This season is about dps players getting chonked
brittle owl
but honestly (idk if it's still the case) bad dps are worse than bad healer
tepid furnace
this season is more diff for tank, with pugs no interupts hurt too
molten gorge
strong forum
Idk, dps are always the first to die
graceful kite
Bad healer is worse because you have 3 rolls for a good dps
brittle owl
having pumpers in the group makes healing less important
golden sedge
more dps = better average
graceful kite
In a 10 you need 1 good dps to be comfortable (except nw probably but im not stepping foot in that shithole)
strong forum
And if you can time the key with a shit healer, it just means the keylevel is too low and your own talents wouldn't have mattered anyway
tepid furnace
anyway i would play cheath death with pug even on 12:)
brittle owl
And if you can time the key with a shit healer, it just means the keylevel is to...
sir, i respectfully invoke the damage meter
strong forum
There are premades failing 12s
brittle owl
aren't all groups "pre" made though
molten gorge
aren't all groups "pre" made though
got'em
green bronze
about 12s btw, i got flamed for following the route that raider.io suggests in my grim batol 12 the other day, are those routes not good enough to time 12s?
tepid furnace
Its always the tanks fault when he dies 😈
strong forum
People and complaining about routes
molten gorge
what was the route?
brittle owl
Best route: press W
jagged pier
'my faourite streamer doesnt do this route' REEEEEEEEEEEEE
tepid furnace
xD
brittle owl
can pin this too i give permission
molten gorge
As if there's a fucking route in GB anyway
ig it's more which packs you pull together
and I've seen people spawn the dragons for example
which is mental to me
😂
green bronze
what was the route?
just the weekly routes from raider.io
tepid furnace
i always spawn dragon to skip 2 before 3rd boss:>
lunar widget
At least it's not the Shadowlands S1 affix (prideful)
molten gorge
just the weekly routes from raider.io
smh have I got to look it up myself? 😭
this?
if you literally pulled as the numbers say, then ya
graceful kite
As if there's a fucking route in GB anyway
Yea
I leap over chasms and laugh at my dps trying to catch up while i aoe packs
graceful kite
If you can call it a route
molten gorge
34 pulls <:keks:936231610850897992>
ya idk, I'd expected to get flamed if I was doing the packs like that ngl
haha
tepid furnace
yep true :p
green bronze
well, i paired some of them, but not much
graceful kite
about 12s btw, i got flamed for following the route that raider.io suggests in m...
I made this one its alright
tepid furnace
well, i paired some of them, but not much
in 12's is really 2much pulls
molten gorge
I made this one its alright
ya this looks a lot better
think I do something very similar
violet ginkgo
I made this one its alright
I’ll try this too. Thx
zinc shale
halleluja, gotta love a buffed dragon from the overseer
tepid furnace
i play this one
graceful kite
not sure about spawning that dragon by bridge tho personally
It does nothing and you can los it at bridge small stone thingys
So if its alive just move it to the next pack
zinc shale
green bronze
this routes you guys linked, i think i might struggle to survive some of them lol)
zinc shale
Its not about the dragon dmg tho
you get a full hp dragon
with low hp mobs
taking time
graceful kite
with low hp mobs
You move it to next pack
green bronze
isnt that way over count?
tepid furnace
so better is play pull 25?
graceful kite
Dragon is free count
tepid furnace
yep
molten gorge
It does nothing and you can los it at bridge small stone thingys
Might give it a go
zinc shale
What keylevel are we talking here?
tepid furnace
12+
zinc shale
Massive kap
If it was really 12+ you wouldnt be suggesting pulling in a fullhp mob within the first area
sharp gale
Do they still tank third boss in the little corner in high keys ?
Because I like to skip the 2 lavabenders pack tbh
zinc shale
Do they still tank third boss in the little corner in high keys ?
Yes still works and even if it was sorta fixed its still superior to the alternative
tepid furnace
yestarday it works
graceful kite
If it was really 12+ you wouldnt be suggesting pulling in a fullhp mob within th...
Do you want a vod with people pulling it?
And even in worse circumstances
molten gorge
this is what I've been doing
sharp gale
yestarday it works
Not if it works, do you get one shoted by the frontal at some point ? Or it’s still fine with def cd ?
molten gorge
notes 1 and 2 are prio for flight
zinc shale
Do you want a vod with people pulling it?
No because i know itll just be inefficient
graceful kite
Why
tepid furnace
Not if it works, do you get one shoted by the frontal at some point ? Or it’s st...
i didnt die so i guess was ok:) 12 key
graceful kite
You move dragon and have to stand still for 1s once every 20+
And just kill packs along the way
molten gorge
I'm mostly confused that the guy who was asking about block uptime and asked for evidence that over 90% was possible is now an expert on +12 keys lol
zinc shale
Why even bring in a 165mil hp mob, into mobs with half HP when you have free mobs in section 3?
molten gorge
not saying I disagree with him, I don't pull the big dragon either
zinc shale
Like right after the 2nd boss area is done you should have 2nd lust up for example
sharp gale
Chainpulling with mobs with higher hp is efficient, if you reach the boss and he is still alive maybe at this point you can call it inefficient
zinc shale
Doing a huge pull with lust with the ascension guy
As you dont need or want lust on the dragon boss
or anything along that way
graceful kite
If you lust big pull after 2nd boss you will have it up for last boss
So its the play
Big as in i pull asc guy 2 mobs on the left and 3 on the right
sharp gale
Bl fist pull is more to have 3 bl
zinc shale
Meanwhile you can still have 3 BLs if you lust a big pull @ dragons
tepid furnace
its risky pull where u cant los aoe or im wrong? never did it
zinc shale
If youre aiming for +2, it doesnt matter, you wont have 3 either way
green bronze
If youre aiming for +2, it doesnt matter, you wont have 3 either way
+2?
zinc shale
++
molten gorge
2 chest
molten gorge
why would you tho? the 2 packs + patrol
zinc shale
Getting to the flying dragons doesnt take 4 minutes
zinc shale
of course
zinc shale
zinc shale
Considering the pullsuggestions here, this is Stier
molten gorge
12?
it's not
timed an 11 on his Pala tho so he'
s decent
I don't think pulling big dragon in there is the play tho either personally
zinc shale
Dont forget the overseers buff the dragons as well
molten gorge
def think lust first pull tho, the doorway + dragon + patrol is decent enough for a lust
tho I have waited before and lusted the dragon packs
depends how good dps are with kicks tbh, cause the dragon packs can be bad if not enough stops
very bad even
we'll see what the real sweats come up with at MDI anyway ig
graceful kite
Ok this guy is trolling
molten gorge
hahaha
nocturne vine
On the only guide i found about colossus in raid i found it scales a lot with versa
Is that correct?
graceful kite
You just sim
nocturne vine
“”””ye still me asking about colossus”””””
nocturne vine
Thanks
Ill sim as i get home
Does someone has some tips on how to play it in raidv
molten gorge
do the rotation correctly 👍
heady sigil
Hi Experts,
I have a struggle where I would like to get some tips.
When I am pulling trashpacks in M+, and there are some serious dps I just cant take good aggro when pulling a pack. Lets not talk about time where they pull it instead of me even...
But I just charge in, use some abilities and 1-2-3 mobs start to run HOT sometimes and I am trying to get them together with everything I have left to taunt.
What can I do wrong and what should I do when pulling a pack to avoid this situation?
vale karma
i play this one
do you skip the first pack?
lyric orchid
Hi Experts,
I have a struggle where I would like to get some tips.
When I am pul...
I am no expert but the only thing that can happen really is that you use your first thunderclap too early when you charge in and it misses some mobs, so before the second thunderclap hits they are already running to dps. So just make sure your aoe hits them properly and maybe wait like half a second to make sure all the mobs you want to pull are going to get hit.
outside of that its just gear one tclap should be enough unless you play with dps that have like 15+ ilvl more than you have on your tank
slender elm
Hi Experts,
I have a struggle where I would like to get some tips.
When I am pul...
Im no expert either, what i do on packs that have many mobs and i know the dps will full zug zug it, i save avatar to have extra Thunderblasts right at start too, helped me.
hoary pivot
Double Clap via Avatar works, Clap into Revenge works (but not at the cost of surviving), AoE CDs (CS, SC, Rav) work, AoE taunt works and being aware of gear and burst and talking to your DPS also works
peak pier
Charge TC Avatar TC TR Ravenger
muted arch
5 mythic track vault slots. Have a mythic shield but not weapon
Would you open as fury or prot?
jagged pier
fury
muted arch
Hi Experts,
I have a struggle where I would like to get some tips.
When I am pul...
Throw in ravager right before charging if you have it, charge and use avatar while you’re charging. Slam thunderblast as soon as u get there. Then just follow priority. You should never lose threat this way
If avatar comes up right near the end of a pull save it for the next pull, you’ll want it to secure threat since its extra dmg and 2 guarenteed thunderblasts right off the bat
If the pull is long and you use avatar twice, and then its not up for the next pull, you have aoe taunt to hold you over
vale karma
if ret presses all buttons right after your charge they will still probably get aggro no?
muted arch
Idk ive never had the issue
Only time a problem comes up is if you misplay and get the timing wrong for avatar
And dont have it for start of pull
Having aoe taunt up for double/triple pulls is nice too incase people start zugging before everythings grouped up
sinful pivot
Is the swarmlord's authority trinket damage prevention PER SCARAB?
old lake
How do people have 90% uptime on SB and IP during m+ runs?
I feel like I am constantly pressing them when they run out but am sitting at like 65%…!?
muted arch
Are you running the mythic plus talent build?
Id say uptime is basically 100%
Dont think I ever have shield block drop
lyric loom
Going to be my first vault on my prot warrior. Going to craft a weapon and shield soon so what spec would be best to open it as?
static gale
Are you running the mythic plus talent build?
I don’t see builds in the pins, are you referring to wowhead m+ builds?
plush imp
Do you press shield charge on CD ?
graceful kite
Hi Experts,
I have a struggle where I would like to get some tips.
When I am pul...
if you're thane you can do clap avatar clap for quick snap aggro
usually when you have your cds you should be fine with aggro unless we're talking serious pulls with people 10m-15m dpsing
you can use aoe taunt when you don't have your cds, can spam some revenge to get quick aoe threat instead of shield slamming
latent moss
hello guys i am a new protection warrior :). is there any good build for mythic + u recommend? I started them last night, until now i have been raiding and accomplished 7/8hc but ,i feel like myhtic+ requires a different build.
graceful kite
or run double on use to make your burst higher
graceful kite
hello guys i am a new protection warrior :). is there any good build for mythic...
wowhead has good build for m+
latent moss
okay thank you. do you use a fixed build for mythics or swap for each dungeon
graceful kite
fixed
latent moss
thank you once more 🙂
tardy abyss
usually when you have your cds you should be fine with aggro unless we're talkin...
Flashback to when we did the big pull on NW, our dps waited like 2-3 seconds until I said go and the enhance blasts 40M+ damage with his first two globals and cries about aggro
But honestly the only dps that really cause aggro issues on pulls are enhancers and rets
green oasis
But honestly the only dps that really cause aggro issues on pulls are enhancers ...
Face a good DH… demonform eyeboom and the shit begins. Depends sometimes but in packs Like mists where you have to survive > dps… can a bit wierd imo… had more issues with DH then any other class 🤷♂️
hasty lintel
dropping shield block is not nearly as dangerous as i thought it would be
seems like the only place you really never want to drop it is in big pulls against phys hits
tribal wharf
dropping shield block is not nearly as dangerous as i thought it would be
depends on how big the melee abilities hit for really
hasty lintel
depends on how big the melee abilities hit for really
only been hurt on the path to the double boss on SV when we do that big pull in hallway
tribal wharf
vs non elites, normal elites, whatever
boss or fat elite, uh oh
hasty lintel
but especially against bosses i dont seem to gain any significant benefit using it
granted did not test all bosses in m+
sharp gale
but especially against bosses i dont seem to gain any significant benefit using ...
From using what
Don’t forget you are overgearing 10s and if you are 620+ ilvl
graceful kite
dropping shield block is not nearly as dangerous as i thought it would be
You still have a chance to block things
Its just not 100%
graceful kite
dropping shield block is not nearly as dangerous as i thought it would be
you never want to drop it anywhere
sharp gale
Even when it’s dmg window of first boss of mists you maintain sb for dmg on shield slam
graceful kite
its a huge dr its dumb to drop it if you're able to not drop it
graceful kite
But honestly the only dps that really cause aggro issues on pulls are enhancers ...
I intervene them
tardy abyss
Thats smart, I havent thought about that
median kayak
How mich of the Overall heal from the Header should i get as the tank ? In +10s
inland raft
If tou maintain shield block and use defensives, then however much needed to keep you alive
All there is to it, if die in a 10 theres a good chance you misplayed though, prot doesnt take damage
median kayak
Kk ... its Not like im dying i just want to make IT as easy as possible for My pug Healers 😅
sharp gale
How mich of the Overall heal from the Header should i get as the tank ? In +10s
I don’t really check overall heals, like 500k in mists 10 maybe ?
Check current hps when something happens, because if the key goes smooth and it’s not a heavy hps dungeon (CoT) nothing happens
tardy abyss
You could do Healing Done / Damage Taken * 100 and check how much of the damage you take is covered by yourself
inland raft
Cot isnt even bad outside first couple pulls and spellblock works on those mobs
sharp gale
Cot isnt even bad outside first couple pulls and spellblock works on those mobs
Im talking about healer, they don’t have spell block to heal the group
inland raft
True i was thinking specifically tank healing though since was his question
sharp gale
Overall hps is useless without context
Like you don’t maintain shield block or you just naked eat anima slashs, yes expect a bigger hps on you
vale karma
cot has a shit ton of unavoidable damage, I feel like it's a bit of a nightmare for healers, a bit of a snooze fest for tanks tho
sharp gale
sounds about right
I know it’s right, I’m not the one asking about overall hps
tribal wharf
if you are looking to cheese the heal meters i may have forbiden yogi build and gear guide
its illegal warcrime stuff
sinful pivot
Is the swarmlord's authority trinket damage prevention PER SCARAB?
anyone know?
Wanna know if I bother farming it or not
tribal wharf
part of it, really surprisngly
was the sv RAM trinket "heals" quote unquote for a fuck load
it was doing 1million healing per 1 minute, that was at like 603? 606? but i have it 610 and it seems to do about 1.3m h p min
it only has a 1 minute cd and goes off on taunt, something you do alot in a key anyways
copper jolt
Is Colossus viable to pug low keys with, I just find mountain thane super boring
jagged pier
yes its fine
wicked pollen
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copper jolt
Okay great cheers guys 👌🏻
sharp gale
anyone know?
Wanna know if I bother farming it or not
What part you have trouble with ?
sharp gale
sinful pivot
is the damage prevention number PER SCARAB or?
tribal wharf
i would imagine so, but i would check again too
do we even want the sikran trinket, even for dps
true cairn
what is the best embelishment to run in M+ is it vers or crit or a third one ascension? i'm so confused about it what is good for the embelishment
tribal wharf
behemoths looks really bad as well
graceful kite
How mich of the Overall heal from the Header should i get as the tank ? In +10s
you don't die you're fine
you die you should look at specific moment
overall heal means nothing
sharp gale
Hps>dtps = good
graceful kite
you can drop hp while shaman spams chain heal and they get hps on you even though you'd cover it
or they start casting some heavy crap in you and you just healthpot
so you get hps they dont
basically when you die you check your death log
if you're rotting away and getting nothing its probably healers fault
but it might be that you screwed up while your group was taking heavy damage or smth
deft mortar
ranto rant: I got no embellishment or tier 3 enchants etc. because I got like 2k gold lmao
Blizz won't let me buy a wow token in EU and I am Canadian
Due to currency shit
graceful kite
time to fish
deft mortar
And all I do is log-in: spam M+ log off
sharp gale
ranto rant: I got no embellishment or tier 3 enchants etc. because I got like 2k...
Oh i thought you couldn’t find 20€ by not eating this month
graceful kite
hallowfall blood in the water
muted arch
Blizz won't let me buy a wow token in EU and I am Canadian
Wait what
graceful kite
600 gold per shark
or you know
secret ways of obtaining gold
on specific websites
deft mortar
Wait what
yeah can't use CAD or Canadian bank to buy wow token in EU
idk why some blizz bs
graceful kite
they also have better rates
muted arch
Just use a credit card
graceful kite
like 40euro per mil
deft mortar
They won't even allow credit card
muted arch
How do you pay your sub lol
deft mortar
I don't even have a wow token button in my game man
true cairn
What embelishment will you guys run in M+?
muted arch
Weird, are u in eu servers?
sharp gale
Weird, are u in eu servers?
He is
muted arch
Like how they know youre canadian tho, for u to not have a button to buy it even haha
graceful kite
did you try using eu vpn
is they dont show you a button to buy it might be a solution
sharp gale
Few things are weird with bnet, when they created bnet account my friend got his wow account on same bnet account of his brother and his father just because it was using the same card
graceful kite
well you can try using eu vpn if you can add money to account but cant buy specific stuff
id just buy gold somewhere else
deft mortar
Weird, are u in eu servers?
yeah my account location is Canada but my WoW is EU (all my WoW friends are in EU including my premades so). Due to that, Iam not allowed wow token
sweet summit
start boosting
muted arch
Can you change your address and use vpn?
deft mortar
Can you change your address and use vpn?
I wouldn't need to use a VPN but they ask for proof
Like an utility bill or smth
deft mortar
If you want ill send u a utility bill 😂
lmaoo
graceful kite
you can use vpn to buy token
deft mortar
so yeah my crafteds are 3 star because I did public orders with 50g tips lol
sharp gale
You can’t ask a friend to buy a wow token for you and you just pay him 20€ ?
muted arch
You can’t ask a friend to buy a wow token for you and you just pay him 20€ ?
Wait yeah hahahaba
deft mortar
You can’t ask a friend to buy a wow token for you and you just pay him 20€ ?
I guess that'd work
They can trade me the gold etc.
In fact I can even buy them the balance
I can gift WoW to some1 in EU with Canadian bank but can't buy token
Which is insane
muted arch
💀
deft mortar
Would be nice to recraft this stuff and have embellishments lmao
sharp gale
Gotta need to do some death rolls with that token gold to make a fortune
spark cedar
Probably tax reasons as eu accounts are handled by eu entity and blizz is a b2c company. So they would need to fuck around with admin work of eu entity for a NA customer
deft mortar
I used to farm gold by selling conquest caps and 1550 rating achis back in MoP
muted arch
Id suggest doing m+ boosts but its dead rn
deft mortar
When I could solo 1v2
muted arch
Yo but wait you’re on eu servers, its popping off in eu
deft mortar
Id suggest doing m+ boosts but its dead rn
Yeah it's like 50k per run for tanks
Idk if they'd get me tho, I am 620 and score is 2630
muted arch
Oh wow rates are low there
deft mortar
They all like I think 625 and 2.7-8k
muted arch
Sylvannus wants 2.6k
sharp gale
Got a friend boosting 12s it’s really cheap lol
spark cedar
Got a friend boosting 12s it’s really cheap lol
Whats cheap
deft mortar
Sylvannus wants 2.6k
Nice, yeah I could, if it matches my play hours lool
muted arch
Wow crazy, cuts here are like 150k
graceful kite
shadowlands boosting was so good
graceful kite
ez 2 goldcaps for me
muted arch
I guess something to do with blizzard ban hammer
graceful kite
after losing 5 mill rolling
sharp gale
Whats cheap
150k if i remember
graceful kite
nah 10s are still selling for ok numbers
muted arch
Like even 7s are 100k in NA
muted arch
But there are like no listings
graceful kite
what a joke
muted arch
100k cuts I mean
deft mortar
Delve boosts? wtf lool
tribal wharf
should brann have a tank mode
deft mortar
I have a clicker friend (old lady) that I boost in M+'s for free
tribal wharf
is the real question
deft mortar
She'd probably buy one
tribal wharf
like for a solo player mostly but whomever wants to use it,
muted arch
Yo btw are u guys getting invited to pug +12s?
deft mortar
Yo btw are u guys getting invited to pug +12s?
yeah at 620 and 2630 score I do but have to apply to like 10
muted arch
Had no problem til I finished all 11s
tribal wharf
get more IO and gear is always the story
deft mortar
But I also play like very late for EU time so I think they're desperate
deft mortar
Like I start playing at 3 AM eu time
deft mortar
On some weekdays there would be like 3-4 12 keys sometimes on LFG
muted arch
Live in europe and play NA
lofty glen
anyone crafted this and can say if it is good or not?
tribal wharf
could be intrusive, but you could ask groups why they said no
worst they can do is call you stupid and block you
muted arch
Idk my guess is they want someone who’s timed a 12 alrdy
Just gotta get that first one lol
tribal wharf
they might have a reason thats not a you reason
deft mortar
Ik some magic cleaves go for VDH
muted arch
I just wanted to see if its a warrior prob
tribal wharf
they want paladin for the dispel some crap
muted arch
In general
deft mortar
But all tanks are prot warr or gdruid so
tribal wharf
have to ask and find out, thats life
deft mortar
I guess couple seasons where prot warrs are good in a row, and alot rerolled
We need a shit season again xD I think SL wehad one
tribal wharf
i havent had the "bad route" or whatever similiar guy in keys yet,
I did get the we timed it but tank is bad anyways ret
no flaming ragers yet
tardy abyss
rets
muted arch
I mean I get it tho, cuz even if u pop an 11 que you see people with 2.8k+ signing up
tribal wharf
he aoe bursted a pack of 5+ mobs right after i charged >aggro >ded >mad ret
muted arch
Might have to run my own key for once, I literally never do that lol
tribal wharf
like bro
deft mortar
he aoe bursted a pack of 5+ mobs right after i charged >aggro >ded >mad ret
It's insane because he can simply bubble
xD
tardy abyss
Or even better, wait 2 seconds
tribal wharf
or you could start with single target on the caster?
deft mortar
I had a boomie pop 10M with BL at the first 3 packs in Stonevault
and I didnt loose aggro because he waited until positioning
tribal wharf
ah well though, ret paladins arent all bad
they have their hearts in the right place mostly
when i picture stun ability, i think hammer of justice
every fuckin time
muted arch
Lmao I had a healer in SV run ahead of me
tribal wharf
its such a great stun ability
muted arch
And got smacked by the group that I taunted in
tribal wharf
sv is.. uhh... fun...?
tardy abyss
Reflecting shadow claws is the only fun thing about SV
tribal wharf
im not doin 11 12 keys like you are, but i've seen it enough times
i can imagine its fun on 11 12 key
muted arch
Are u guys taking 3 or 4 packs on SV 11+?
tardy abyss
3
tribal wharf
4 packs is only like if you are doing a key that grants KSM cuz thats like 7 or 8 lvl now
with a decent ish group
like pug wise
its too many mobs
tardy abyss
We run with a hpriest (for now) so pulling two of the stone giants is too much
tribal wharf
that or like 15s cuz it would be same, you would almost have to to save time
i wonder if we see any timed 15s MDI
muted arch
Prolly
tardy abyss
Arent they gonna have 630+ ilvl?
tribal wharf
would be nice to see all of them maybe minus 1 on time
muted arch
Also are u guys double pulling after 1st boss SV?
teal linden
Has anyone managed to kill Zekvir ?? at a higher ilvl like 620ish? I'm giga struggling lmfao
jagged pier
yer its easy
teal linden
Feels like it scales, I've been watching vids of people just smashing the eggs while mine live forever.
Did u do it as prot Jakey? before the SR nerf
muted arch
Also are u guys double pulling after 1st boss SV?
Meaning like the packs from both wings that are in 1st boss room
jagged pier
at 611
jagged pier
colossus for me but ppl have done is as thane
teal linden
@muted arch Thane
muted arch
Yeah same, heard some people trying colossus
tardy abyss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KAL85JXlc
Why is he surprised the comp is augless tho
tribal wharf
dragon just feels like another utility class
but it can swap between im a buffer or im a dpser
so dragons do dragon things i guess? they should know if they are wanted to do the buffs or the dps, and change accordingly i mean
deft mortar
Yeah same, heard some people trying colossus
I do it for lower keys
Pumped like 1M overall in grim batol 9
halcyon dust
Tanked a couple 8s last night, felt good. 587 ilvl
jagged pier
deft mortar
So every 3 ilvls gives like
-4% stamina on the item
We'll be phatt asf at 639
And that's multiplicative
muted arch
Also how are u guys doing dps wise on high keys as thane (11+)
jagged pier
900k-1mil depending on dungeon on average
heavy sparrow
anyone crafted this and can say if it is good or not?
Ahh the wedding ring
heavy sparrow
Tanked a couple 8s last night, felt good. 587 ilvl
Damn daniel
muted arch
900k-1mil depending on dungeon on average
Do you have like a details screen shot of your damage profile?
lone hearth
I do like 750k max
muted arch
Like what fraction of dmg from each spell
lone hearth
Like are yall in battle stance all dungeon to be pumping 1m overall lmao
muted arch
I know I could pump if I started hammering out revenge but been prioritizing surviving just to make sure I time for io lol
muted arch
Like are yall in battle stance all dungeon to be pumping 1m overall lmao
You can pump crazy dmg if you just prioritize revenge/thunder clap
But you lose tons of mitigation
ocean nova
shield slam does more damage than revenge and generates rage
jagged pier
then u only make sure u dont send a SS with 2 stacks of TB
jagged pier
TC
the only time u prio revenge is as colossus and that prioing dumping rage into it over IP not prioing it over SS or TC
lone hearth
Got it
heavy sparrow
That is not true and people will sometimes be rage starved if they try to follow...
No rage starve problems from me, just need any other skill use
jagged pier
can i do something to prevent the affix debuff?
LS or IV
will deal with most of it
then healer can just drip feed the rest
lone hearth
can i do something to prevent the affix debuff?
Yeah I usually just save IF for it unless its a crazy pack
tribal wharf
prevent, no
heavy wigeon
colossus seems fun to play in keys but i cant commit to it yet on the harder ones
tribal wharf
reactionary, yes
its more like you prepare for the affix we have had all week, and when it goes out you deal with it
graceful kite
Ignore pain is 100% required to be up
no
heavy sparrow
Yes
graceful kite
can i do something to prevent the affix debuff?
impending victory
heavy sparrow
Always easy to keep IP up if you're raiding
solid quail
So should we only use ignore pain in situations with lots of physical damage and against magic damage? I’m planning on running colossus and am wondering how much I should be prioritizing ignore pain with the large boost to revenge damage in the talent tree?
Mainly talking about mythic plus
deft mortar
So should we only use ignore pain in situations with lots of physical damage and...
nah just fkn spam it
Fk me some multi-pack pulls I get 1.5M dps sustained on me
But so much rage so
I giga spam ignore pain
jagged pier
you dont track IP or care about its uptime
u have more than enough rage to just spam it
if it gets eaten
it gets eaten
if not
at least its AM cycling
deft mortar
If not honestly it is what it is, it will get eaten at high keys
jagged pier
no its not always up
vague badge
Is shield crafting a lot better than 1 hand?
jagged pier
espeically if u play colossus
solid quail
So if ignore pain is not up I should always use it over revenge even when playing colossus? I’m mainly talking about once threat is already achieved.
heavy sparrow
Ahh yeah
graceful kite
Always easy to keep IP up if you're raiding
you dont track it you dont care about it being up
heavy sparrow
I prefer collosus but the thunder tree is pretty meta
grizzled nova
I do track how much IP I have relative to it's cap, but it's rarely information that informs a decision I make, just a small bar ontop of my hp bar that functions as a finger in the wind for incoming damage.
jagged pier
So if ignore pain is not up I should always use it over revenge even when playin...
if your rage greater than 80 rage yes > press IP
if your rage is greater than 40 and u have SB up and u dont need to refresh it > press IP
vale karma
you should dump rage into IP even if you have one up already as far as I know
literally just revenge for sudden aggro when clap is on cd or to fish for SS procs? for Thane that is
tulip oar
I can't help but have that song playing in my head while playing prot.
"I can make your hands clap...."
Lol
solid quail
Sweet, appreciate the answers. Does the talent that provides potential rage from ticks from your bleed damage provide a noticeable amount of rage? I read on the icy veins guide that is not worth taking as it provides very little. However in the mythic plus talent tree for colossus they pick it.
deft mortar
literally just revenge for sudden aggro when clap is on cd or to fish for SS pro...
revenge also applies deep wounds aoe
But the free procs should keep that up
muted arch
u do none of that
I think if you’re in an aoe situation prioritizing revenge over SS does way more dmg, and just using enough SS’s to make sure you have the rage to sustain that
From pure damage perspective
heavy sparrow
as much as 1M revenge crits feel good
Yeah the 1.9-2.3m Crits of shield slam are nuts. I wonder if other classes do that high
heavy sparrow
I do track how much IP I have relative to it's cap, but it's rarely information ...
Hah true
solid quail
So what I’m hearing is revenge is basically shit once you have out deep wounds
jagged pier
yer kinda
grizzled nova
So what I’m hearing is revenge is basically shit once you have out deep wounds
It serves a purpose, but it isn't meant to be a button that feels huge to press or anything.
heavy wigeon
i feel like i mistakenly hit it way more than i should just fishing for procs
sometimes i just stand there with TC and SS down for 3s
grizzled nova
Which is exactly when you shoudl be using it.
muted arch
so u get no rage to dump into AM cycle
You mean cuz you’ll get avatar back sooner?
jagged pier
yes
heavy wigeon
yeah i just find in higher keys it can dump too much rage then im constantly low. it doesnt happen often
muted arch
I kinda wanna test
jagged pier
sometimes i just stand there with TC and SS down for 3s
if both are on cd and u have extra rage that is fine but that is bottom of the prio list
heavy wigeon
just on those longer packs
muted arch
I dont play like this
But if you alternate big pull small pull I’d wonder if the extra aoe dmg on big pull is worth having avatar up sooner
vivid lantern
When would you press revenge? Are you suggesting not to press it at all?
sweet summit
use it when you can't use anything else and have rage to spare
cloud finch
do you know the concil trinket sould be use on cd or as a def cd ?
inner wren
When would you press revenge? Are you suggesting not to press it at all?
depends if you’re colossus or thane, thane uses it basically as rage filler, colossus leans more towards rage dump
heavy sparrow
do you know the concil trinket sould be use on cd or as a def cd ?
Anytime you like just like avatar
Does some damage