protection

[fiery gale]

any free good loot one can get on an alt?

[strong forum]

Shieldwall also doesn't grant avatar unless you play immovable object

[astral crystal]

people forget these builds are for super specific group comps, routes/pulls, etc

[high wyvern]

so you would say if they run the more "optimal" build, they would perform even better? higher keys?

[lime mantle]

I must re-iterate that I am not a very smart man.
As said I was trying to find the logic to the build, but you did solve most of it in a way 😄

[astral crystal]

and player quality far above and beyond what you're going to get in lfg

[sharp gale]

I think it’s to have 2 SW on some bosses tank buster in +15 they take it, so doesn’t matter for me

[sharp steppe]

How much damage is the left spear of bastion talent?

[strong forum]

If you don't play both spear talents

Don't play spear

It's either all 3

[fickle ingot]

Shaene, need to ask you a question rq

[strong forum]

Or not at all

[fickle ingot]

Nom as well

Is 3.8 possible this season

[strong forum]

If you drop any of the spear talents, you're trolling yourself

I have a screenshot somewhere hol up

Lemme get out of bed

[waxen quarry]

i will play uproar instead of thunderous words

[strong forum]

Sure

[waxen quarry]

[lusty grotto]

[high wyvern]

yoda also played bolster and pop it every pack for shield block up time

not sure if genius or crazy

[sharp steppe]

I am absolutely clueless hehe

[toxic pewter]

gross

[wicked pollen]

its the worst parse on ara

[waxen quarry]

idk iirc nome said to drop shield charge and champs bulwark for bsv and bolster

[wicked pollen]

yes

[waxen quarry]

id rather drop shield charge than ravager and punish xdddddddddddddddd

[high wyvern]

dropping Punish is crazy

[toxic pewter]

no punish is wild

and no enduring alacrity also wild

[high wyvern]

[strong forum]

what tank buster happens exclusively only 2 - 3 times in rapid succession that a 40sec SW would be worse than having 2 charges

[lime mantle]

where is the doc?

[high wyvern]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12cPxTThgdFBT9saOqQl9j9i3yGogm5feppko5GA_5io/edit?tab=t.0

[fickle ingot]

Same 🤝

[wicked pollen]

none 🙂

[long bronze]

-8% armor and the subsequent strength from teeth

[lime mantle]

Thank you!

[lusty grotto]

sharing the yoda meme guide

[high wyvern]

yoda really cook with his build

[lusty grotto]

lmao

holy shit

[high wyvern]

i would not follow his build

[wicked pollen]

nim

[lusty grotto]

nothing has changed in 1 week

[high wyvern]

just follow wowhead

[wicked pollen]

these 🐑

[real fossil]

ive yet to look at this chat without the yoda build coming up

[wicked pollen]

past hour

[lusty grotto]

jesus fucking christ

Butterer keeps mentioning him

[real fossil]

hes succeeding in living rent free in an entire class's head

[wicked pollen]

oh yeah

[lusty grotto]

what do you expect

[high wyvern]

listen, yoda can time +15 with his build that means theres no excuse for us not timing 15s

[lusty grotto]

ok fr dont tag me i dont wanna see this garbage

[strong forum]

correct

[wicked pollen]

bye bye nim

👋

[strong forum]

the class is strong enough that even a weird build can do the trick

to nobodys surprise

m+ is a group game mode

[high wyvern]

no enduring alacrity is COOKED

this man is crazy

[lime mantle]

I am not following, I was just curious what his logic vs Nomeratur's/Mwahi was ;`;
ALso wasn't Mwahi the OG VDH tank in legion?

[strong forum]

nah thats Murkky

or atleast he was the guide writer for VDH

[fallow fern]

Does anyone know how "big" of a defensive boost it is to upgrade a Shield from a 619 to a 636? ..the sim says about 4k dps in ST.. but I'm wondering about the defensive value..?

[strong forum]

also 2% perma haste

[real fossil]

maybe the io was the friends you made along the way all along

[strong forum]

should be like 15-20%

[long bronze]

yeah ofc

[strong forum]

"stamina is not that important" except that all our self healing, and IP cap, is based on max hp

[high wyvern]

well if u never die, stamina is not important

[molten gorge]

What I enjoy about this being a very clear matter of fact (given the range of builds that are working), is that it by extension means that all the people who are desperately searching for that perfect build that will give them the edge is actually just a skill issue

[sharp gale]

I don’t know maybe the first boss of dawnbreaker at some point just SR you get OS, I don’t play 2 wall im thinking why they take it

[strong forum]

exactly

[strong forum]

"i dont need the extra rage, and its nice to have a backup"

[high wyvern]

im bad so pls give me the best handicapped build ty

[real fossil]

whatever time youve spent on builds, if you instead tried to build a community or group of people to push with, youd be better off

[strong forum]

^

[jagged pier]

almost like key success is deteremined by group play not talents

[high wyvern]

making friends in an MMO???

[strong forum]

especially cuz the "good" builds have been figured out almost 3 years ago

[molten gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[strong forum]

and were entirely fine all of DF without a working BSV

[long bronze]

im ready for shield only keys

[strong forum]

and are also entirely fine without a cheat death equipped

[jagged pier]

i know i know very hard concept to get ones head around

[molten gorge]

hahaha

[strong forum]

but as soon as they exist

people gaslight themselves into thinking theyre NECESSARY

thats the whole crux

[high wyvern]

tank diversity was real good in DFs

[molten gorge]

that one time you die, "fuck man, wish I had BSV"

[strong forum]

that one time you die "fuck i fucked up"

[real fossil]

this is also why ITF is a trap for newer players and you should instead play HR and use that attention to lead your group with mechanics and interupts

[sharp gale]

When even brews OTPs had to play dh

[zealous goblet]

wrong, you fail to mention rend is the best rage dump

[jagged pier]

nah its why did i die, ill check log/vod to see if i could have played better

[long bronze]

I blame DH for the general inability for people to kick stuff

[molten gorge]

Never take accountability

[jagged pier]

thats what ive been telling ppl from week one

[strong forum]

only ego

[molten gorge]

haha

[real fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[high wyvern]

HR is just way easier and more braindead to play

[real fossil]

its not braindead, you dont get it.
It allows you to put your focus on the importnat part of the gamemode

group play

🌈

[molten gorge]

lmao

[long bronze]

aka being DBM for your group because they are braindead?

[high wyvern]

i can probs just macro shield block and litearlly never have to press that button again if i play HR

[real fossil]

YES because its not braindead to coordinate cc and interupts

[toxic pewter]

does bsv even help dudes live i feel like it just procs at some of the worst times even after they fixed it

[sharp gale]

I have a macro if you want

In my garage

[jagged pier]

my favourite static about high m+ is the higher the score the more likely the person is unemployed

[molten gorge]

Erm, I have had it save me at least once, but I definitely also misplayed

but I've only ran it a handful of times

[real fossil]

i really feel like people actively want to make thigns harder on themselves so they can complain in discords about it

[molten gorge]

twice actually I think total

[toxic pewter]

feel like it just feels so much worse to play it

[high wyvern]

if ur pushing M+ 12 hours a day, either ur unemployed or a millionaire or a college students

[toxic pewter]

and theres some confirmation bias around bsv too i think

[molten gorge]

I can see the argument for playing it

[real fossil]

the time comittment is real lmao

[molten gorge]

but I don't think for your average joe it's remotely necessary or even good

[jagged pier]

the arguement for playing it is generally fine. but ppl coming in and saying they switch and instantly got better is confirmation bias

or gass lighting themselves

[molten gorge]

ya that's a cap

I mean even if they switched, they didn't get better

they just stopped dying to stupid shit in their 10 keys

because it saved them

[jagged pier]

lower than 10 most of the time

[molten gorge]

when they could have saved themselves

[real fossil]

bsv's best use case is a guard against your healer spacing out

[jagged pier]

all 10s timed is still very low portion of the player base

[real fossil]

🤷‍♂️

[high wyvern]

BSV lets me play the game with one hand while eating doritos with the other, so thats a W in my book

[jagged pier]

nah bsv is insane if it allowed u to do that one pull u couldnt without it

otherwise its a crutch

there are places for it

that legion dungeon first pull for instance

nels

thats the one

[real fossil]

i agree, and im saying there is also a place for it for pug healers

[molten gorge]

this is why i could see it seeing play but

it's such a big IF

[long bronze]

its kinda insane to argue playing HR so you can brain off and then argue BSV is a crutch when it's literally the same argument

[high wyvern]

be like me, i play both

braindead all the way

[toxic pewter]

wat hr is to cover sb gaps though

[jagged pier]

one doesnt cover mistakes u still need to play well with hr

[high wyvern]

i need my crutches

[long bronze]

"just play better" works for not taking HR and BSV

[jagged pier]

i have more blocked hits with ITF than ive seen ppl have with HR

[molten gorge]

HR is for low Haste so that you don't get your cheeks clapped

[sharp gale]

Well in 12s (im at that key lvl) I play HR and BSV

[molten gorge]

I don't think it's the same thing

[toxic pewter]

nah there are some of us without enough haste to have 100% shield block with itf

[real fossil]

playing bsv for a weeek of filling my vault, most my procs were dumb/useless, a portion may have helped a healer, and ~8ish seemed very value

[molten gorge]

pussy

[jagged pier]

hey haz u were arguing running bsv in 12s then u did them without it

[molten gorge]

hahahaha

[high wyvern]

if ur doing weekly 10s, i dont think u will ever need BSV unless ur new to prot / tanking

[real fossil]

and this breakdown is imo worth it dropping ravager because dps doesnt matter for completing like 99.9% of keys

[sharp gale]

I am indeed

[long bronze]

regardless HR/ITF BSV are not troll picks

[molten gorge]

Ya I did 1 with 1 without, I don't think it made much difference honestly, and that was pre-nerf

[hasty lintel]

im v fresh into prot warrior, but how do you exactly die besides messing up shield block?

[high wyvern]

lets be honest, i dont think that ravager dps is gonna make or break a key. In a pug if u die as a tank, its a bricked

[molten gorge]

rn you definitely don't need BSV in a 12, but I haven't gone back in yet

[jagged pier]

short answer u dont really

[molten gorge]

been busy

[long bronze]

you get necrotic bolted 6 times in a row without spellblock

[high wyvern]

spend all ur rage on revenge instead of ignore pain

[hasty lintel]

can that even go through last stand and wall?

[long bronze]

the heal absorb is the dangerous part

[molten gorge]

I died in a NW recently, need to find it actually, cause I feel like I messed up but I didn't check in detail how exactly if I did

[hasty lintel]

also how do i aggro mobs properly

just clap?

[high wyvern]

that pack in NW before the bridge with the 2 guard is surprisingly dangerous

[hasty lintel]

the cleave 1 shots me on dps

[toxic pewter]

I would recommend reading rotation guide on wowhead/icy veins

[hasty lintel]

im all for difficult mechanics

but that one is a bit ridiculous

[high wyvern]

u press thunder clap / shield slam on CDs

[hasty lintel]

i know tanks just pull it to the side and u simply dont take dmg

[high wyvern]

and u will never lose threats

[sharp gale]

Don’t go on your tank and there is no mechanic

[hasty lintel]

i do but i cba going through all of it

[long bronze]

the problem with that cleave is it's like a real cleave with no projection and is 180*

[toxic pewter]

wat

[long bronze]

they've basically gave ground effects to every other cleave at this point

[real fossil]

some melee burst is annoying as youre clumping packs together on threat

some ook ook DH/Fury pops all their cds before the 2nd pack gets into melee, for example

[molten gorge]

Boneflay hit me for 1.6mil in NW

[sharp gale]

If they die while you gather the first pack of NW, just leave the key

[long bronze]

then they die and hopefully learn that tanks don't have infinite snap threat

[real fossil]

yeah, thats a them problem

[high wyvern]

press avatar / demo shouts / shield charge on CDs. Press shield slam thunderclap on CDs. Keep ignore pain and shield block up always. If extra rage, use Revenge / Execute. That is pretty much it....read the wowhead guide for more details

theres nuisance about shield slam vs thunderblast / clap in ST and AoE but just read about it

[amber cypress]

i have a question about the embelishment why we dont take the ascendion thing ? i dont like the fact the we get on hit we drop under the 80% and dont get the buff

[toxic pewter]

tinkers kinda suck right now so prob just do everforged

[sharp gale]

In the long run you don’t want a 636 weapon

That’s it

[ocean nova]

for crafting i always go for lowest ilvl i got

[hasty lintel]

not like during fight i mean, hopefully that wont ever happen lol

[ocean nova]

also try to craft into gilded directly so you dont waste heroic crest

[hasty lintel]

but how do i quickly get big threat on me on a big pull for example

is chall shout enough?

[urban portal]

Press damage buttons

[ocean nova]

shield charge, T clap, avatar right after to reset t clap

[high wyvern]

press thunderclap

chall shout is ur oh shit button

[toxic pewter]

best snapthreat abilities probably shield charge/spear/thunderous roar if you use it

[high wyvern]

unless ur running a 580 weapons, u should have aggro problems with pressng thunderclap

[inner wren]

i pick bsv so i can pull 6 packs on first pull of nw and then yell at my healer when everyone but me dies

[pliant barn]

how good / bad is this trink ? i don't see it listed in wowhead

[toxic pewter]

@tribal wharf

[long bronze]

cuz it's a turd sandwich

[high wyvern]

i'd rather run a pvp trinket

[long bronze]

I'd rather have an emty trinket slot

the shame would be unbearable

[pliant barn]

wow i see so its bad

xd

[molten gorge]

this feels like a lot of damage to take in just over 1 second 🤔

[fair narwhal]

Would unequip it pretty immediately and put on whatever other trinket was there before tbh

[high wyvern]

dodge chance is basically useless

we are wariors we eat damage we dont dodge it like puny rogues

[amber cypress]

thx for the quick response

[long bronze]

3 bonecarvers

already down to 5.5m max h

[molten gorge]

Just me pulling too fast then ig

[tribal wharf]

TLDR i have been summoned because, the reason is

[molten gorge]

you know when you're like, I know I did something wrong

I just don't know what

[tribal wharf]

between blocking and parrying and absorbing attacks and spells

[sharp gale]

It’s bonecarvers

[long bronze]

you also got necrotic bolted when there's like one guy who casts that there

[tribal wharf]

you never get the chance to dodge anyway

[molten gorge]

ya, so interrupts need to happen too

[tribal wharf]

and ontop of that, dodging, doesnt do anything for us, literal

[long bronze]

unless this is a different chain than I think

[molten gorge]

it's just before the Marrowgar boy

[long bronze]

yeah then

you were tanking those carvers for a while

[tribal wharf]

blocking and parrying attacks, BOTH are better than a dodge

[long bronze]

buster + bleed + - hp x3 = monka

[sharp gale]

There are reasons you bloodlust this pack

[tribal wharf]

i forget exactly what it is we get when a block occurs besides the damage reduction

but maybe we get rage or something?

we probably dont get that from dodging i bet

[molten gorge]

2x shaman pugs, and they weren't great 😅

was a close time and the guy died on the platform on last boss

think I just need to pop some CDs pre-emptively and focus myself on the Necrobolt cast and let the plebs do the fear

[long bronze]

ye you have BR worst case there

hopefully nobody gets feared into cleave xD

[molten gorge]

when I died I was just immediately like, well, idk what i did wrong, but I did something wrong

[sharp gale]

You took with the « main pack » the two bonecarvers on top or the bonecarver and caster on the right ?

[molten gorge]

legit thought i stood in a swirly or summit

[sharp gale]

Or both

[molten gorge]

lemme open the map sec

[long bronze]

its a lot easier to die when you have half your max h

hp

[molten gorge]

an accurate statement

I think was like this, because we fat pulled the right 2

thanks to the pugs

so those 3 packs

but shufflings died just beforehand

[long bronze]

yeah I did a 10 with those guys chained into 11 last night but we lusted it so it was chill

[sharp gale]

Oh okey

[plush brook]

Guys, on the first boss of Siege, am I as tank ever supposed to jump on a bomb to prevent it from blowing up?

[sharp gale]

so you did like that ?

[molten gorge]

I draw

[sharp gale]

if you feel not safe on you you can do that

[long bronze]

sure yeah

[molten gorge]

this was my intention

but as 12 died, we fat pulled the 2 spare guys

[long bronze]

if you have more time you can drag one of the melee adds into it instead but it doesn't do much damage to you regardless

[molten gorge]

and I pulled those into 13 (without big guy)

[long bronze]

pretty often it seems the adds running in from spawns with just run into a bomb too, so there are a few factors but its' quite common to need to pop one yourself

[sharp gale]

50 min before 3 hours of ovinax furry jail

[inner wren]

nw is fun because you can actually do big pulls

same with sv

[hasty lintel]

ok i found a way to die on prot warrior

[long bronze]

you can technically do big pulls basically everywhere, your group on the other hand

[hasty lintel]

after pulling the entire hallway from final boss on SV

[long bronze]

gotta be ethical as the tank

[hasty lintel]

apparently, spells hurt the most

[high wyvern]

You can spell block

[hasty lintel]

yeah but pulling casters for that long makes them spread all aroudn you

[long bronze]

I mean you also shouldn't do that pull

[graceful kite]

get boneflayed

[high wyvern]

I do miss being a Veng DH having a range kick and also aoe silence

[molten gorge]

bones were bare after that ngl

[tribal wharf]

null slam is blue cone that skill usse run out right

[molten gorge]

successfully flayed

[tribal wharf]

everyone my keys eats them

[graceful kite]

having a melee kick helps me on mistcaller

[real fossil]

the melee range change is felt most on kicks 😢

[graceful kite]

less chance to bamboozle tab and waste a kick

[high wyvern]

I just set focus and never miss

[hasty lintel]

it was a m0 just playing around seeing what can prot do

[tribal wharf]

another one

just died to it lomao

[long bronze]

blood dk kick prot warrior kick (mob is on the other side of the pack casting goresplatter)

or this one, "it's empty leaf", ->charge, ->patty cake cast from across room, "no"

only happens like once, but sure feels bad

[chilly brook]

last hallway in SV is the sketchiest part tbh

[solar spear]

anyone got any ideas for showing diminishing returns for m+?
It's annoying when I use a global on a stun and nothing happens - all the weakauras i've found dont work or cause massive errors. sArena looks like it might work but it won't load outside of arena
Not the best advice on the wow forums:

[narrow patrol]

how bad is +10 SoB during fortiifed?

[deft mortar]

Ez

[inner wren]

no difference

[narrow patrol]

like ara kara easy?

[inner wren]

to a 10 sob during tyr

since theyre the same

[deft mortar]

SoB easier than Arakara

[narrow patrol]

thanks for the responses everyone

[deft mortar]

Because bosses in SoB become trivial if you follow mechanics

[narrow patrol]

just worried for the trash packs, esp the shredders/invaders

not dwarf 😦

[chilly brook]

ain't no way

ara kara is so ez

[narrow patrol]

but i guess if i can handle +10 mists with anime slash, it should be better?

[deft mortar]

Can fuck up the slime boss and last boss

[chilly brook]

that's CoT

[deft mortar]

Last boss too much movement for the melee dpsers brain

[chilly brook]

not arakara

[deft mortar]

Ah nvm

OHHHH

Yeah araksra ez as shit

Oh yeah

[mighty valley]

they did make two spider dungeons and put "city" in both names

[deft mortar]

I'd rank Ara < Mists < SoB < CoT in terms of difficulty but like very minor diffs

[chilly brook]

Too many bricked SoBs for it to be in the "easy" category

[narrow patrol]

619 decent enough to pull a pug group together?

[chilly brook]

CoT isn't super easy either

[hasty lintel]

is DB considered easy?

[real fossil]

my favorite part of SOB is when dps run too soon and die to the gun shoot alley thing

[deft mortar]

I think I did too many SoBs

Also had BFA memory

So I am relacc with it because it's easier than it was in BFA

[turbid shuttle]

DB is generally 3rd easiest, after mists and ara kara. timer wiser, it's probably the easiest to +2.

[hasty lintel]

to be fair its ridiculously badly designed

the cover is so terrible

[deft mortar]

Hc leap and charge

And throw axe

[hasty lintel]

for dps i mean

[chilly brook]

just be a monk and get there before the shooting even happens

[real fossil]

no i think it is largely impatience

and they changed the timing slightly from BFA

[hasty lintel]

if youre as much as 2 yrds too far from it, you take damage

[chilly brook]

dash roll is so OP for movement man

[hasty lintel]

even though youre still, literally behind cover

[molten gorge]

did a run recently with a friend, I was dps'ing so he could tank

and then he died to it

[novel temple]

Is mists easy?

I just feel like everything is a slog rn

[inner wren]

only slog dungeon is city on 10+ tbh

[molten gorge]

the timer can be kinda tight on higher keys

but it's not hard ig

[tribal wharf]

key is timed

"tank is bad"

[molten gorge]

get owned

[long bronze]

don't be bad clearly

[deft mortar]

Warlock skip if trouble timing

[ember comet]

Anyone try this shield in NW?

[tribal wharf]

i cant stop dps from standing in nullslam and opening with burst AOE

[molten gorge]

do more threat noob

smh

damn tanks man, always got an excuse

[deft mortar]

Start with ur big hitters

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, i think if you startpull with aoe as dps askin for trouble

[deft mortar]

Aoe

[jagged pier]

i mean that not gunna do anything for yu 2.7mil is 2 stone bolts on m0

on an rng proc

the stats and stam will do more dr

[ember comet]

Thats a good point

thank you

[sharp gale]

It makes me think of that trinket mmmmh it seems I know something that does exactly the same

Mmmmmmh

[novel temple]

It just feels like all the dungeons are slogs at like the 5-7 key lvl

I’ve 3 chested a 4 though I think

[molten gorge]

define a slog?

[novel temple]

Takes forever, people die, which causes us not to time

Pulling more than one or two packs causes some healers to just not be able to keep up

[molten gorge]

I mean, in the nicest possible way, that's all player issue

pretty sure around 7 is the average clear rn

[tacit valley]

How important is shield ilvl for us?

[novel temple]

But it’s outside of my control 😭

[molten gorge]

Ofcourse, it's a group game

haha

[jagged pier]

most important thing is terms of dr

[deft mortar]

Did I just see a 6/6 upgraded refrac

[sharp gale]

it's wowhead

[deft mortar]

Thank god

[tacit valley]

so better to send 90 gilded on 636 shield recraft than to upgrade other gear i assume?

[sharp gale]

i have that

[molten gorge]

if you are going to find it hard to get myth shield otherwise, then ya

[deft mortar]

Insane how 610 to 636 is like 20% more strength

[tribal wharf]

oh well, it took a pretty long time for "tank bad" this season

[deft mortar]

Ignore them

[long bronze]

just link interrupts

ez clap back

[molten gorge]

learn from your mistakes king, you got this 💪

[tribal wharf]

i told them they stood in the null slam

[deft mortar]

Lool

[tribal wharf]

and that i had deleted the ring

so none of them could get it

[deft mortar]

At high keys I do mass pulls and shit goes fine

I do mass pulls at lower keys assuming it'd be much easier but nah

No stun coordination, no interrupts

[long bronze]

turns out volleys and bolts still hurt at lower levels lol

[smoky anvil]

I slam 7s. They’re not slogs. I’d call things like 2-4 slogs when I’ve done with because the players are typically worse. Haven’t had any bad experiences in anything below a 7 where I wasn’t also personally making party fouls.

2-4 issue is mainly dps not pressing CDs on non-boss pulls

[hasty lintel]

double chested a +4 with 20 team deaths :D

dmg feels a bit low though, i was expecting more in the 700k range

[narrow patrol]

i've noticed better timing of keys once i started doing 8s, people actually use spells

2-7 can be super hit or miss

[hasty lintel]

this is just my first m+ on prot ever

on fury im around 9-11

i know im not hitting the big leageus here

but how tf do you dare touch mobs before your tank in an m+

i was agasped

[inner wren]

go colossus for the juiced damage

[hasty lintel]

btw, for smaller keys especially

im aware a tank can actually beat the boss with no healer if he makes no mistakes

but how do we heal? besides last stand we dont seem to heal as much as other tanks

[narrow patrol]

indom

impending victory

potions

[lilac bronze]

how much haste should i have before switching from 'heavy repercussions' to 'into the fray'?

[plain vapor]

is sikran's endless arsenal a decent trinket

[narrow patrol]

hwo does someone have +2.6 io score but only +8 ara kara as their best run?

[marble night]

is there a way to only show specific "Timed amount of +x runs" in your raider.io tooltip?

sometimes i view people and it only shows their +10 timed

[pallid quiver]

+8s in every dungeon iirc is about 2500-2600

[pallid quiver]

We also take less damage than the other tanks, so you need smaller healing numbers to self-sustain

Last Stand also heals you for a bit, for the record

And class tree gives us baseline leech, as well

[marble night]

its way less than that, thats like 2150 maybe

[pallid quiver]

could've swore if your +3'in the 8s, you end up there, but could definitely be wrong

[marble night]

idk if a 3 chest gives that much score

certainly not 2600

[rapid echo]

2600 are 10s and 11s

[long bronze]

I mean I have nearly all 10s and half of those are +2 and I'm 2550ish

so no all 8s is nowhere close to 2600 lol

[rapid echo]

can anyone pass me the target of target intervene macro for NW first boss?

[marble night]

#showtooltip
/cast [help] [@targettarget,help,nodead] [] Intervene

[rapid echo]

cheers

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto you got an 11 SV? last 11 I need 😄

[fiery gale]

what dps should i be doing end of run as a 590 prot?

did a 5 Mists right now, only 414k. Maybe im doing something wrong

[pallid quiver]

Depends on dungeons, pull size, and a lot of other factors

[rapid echo]

don't worry about that rn, you're too low ilvl and the key is too low

[pallid quiver]

Key level also influences it, as mobs die faster/live longer

[main walrus]

dudes, dudettes, i suck. i just learned this, so wanted to share

[long bronze]

you really shouldn't have SB downtime anyways

[dusky canopy]

its more common than you think

[rapid echo]

does something reduce the CD of shieldblock, or extend its duration ?

[pallid quiver]

4 talents on the spec tree

You need at least 3 of 4 to have 100% uptime

[long bronze]

also H A S T E

[fair linden]

shredders in siege are crazy

[pallid quiver]

Those talents being
Enduring Defense (almost never drop this outside of raid parsing)
Heavy Repercussions
Champion's Bulwark
Bolster

For the record, ITF is a pseduo-shield block talent by giving you haste, but it's not reliable, hence why you don't take it until you have enough haste to keep you comfy

or it's taken in raid, where it's more reliable and you don't need as much SB uptime

[pallid quiver]

So of those, none reduces the CD, but Enduring just makes it last 2 seconds longer on every application, but HR does extend it every time you SS

[fiery gale]

should I use revenge more often?

[marble night]

does the frontal lava shit from 2nd boss GB pull mobs

like if i frontal at one of the next packs, will it pull them if that long frontal hits them

[pallid quiver]

Revenge is only a filler for Thane

[rapid echo]

to be fair, since its the first time i play warrior , i'll use heavy reperc, since its more forgiving

[pallid quiver]

It's not a major prio or something you even want to hit

[fair linden]

not completely true. i use it if i need snap aggro on a pull if i don't have avatar. or if additional mobs get pulled in mid pull.

[fiery gale]

I see, so basically for dmg I just use thunder clap /blast, shield charge, shield slam and spear on CD?

thats it? Maybe revenge procs

[pallid quiver]

my condolences your DPS are shooting so piss little damage that a revenge keeps aggro, but aggro gen is also not your baseline rotation or influence your damage breakdowns very much

[fiery gale]

I'll do a quick dungeon slice sim

[pallid quiver]

Dungeon slice doesn't work for Prot

No one actively maintains the sim behind it

[fiery gale]

ahh

[pallid quiver]

It's also about ensuring you're wasting no rage to keep Anger Management flowing and reducing the CD on Avatar, as well as properly sending Outbursts

[fiery gale]

is it bad to macro avatar on thunder clap? XD Im running out of keybind on my prot

[pallid quiver]

You never want to send Outburst on T Clap outside of pure damage focus in bungo boy AOE; that's pretty much never, since by the time that's useful, more rage from SS Outburst lets you not die

[pallid quiver]

You'd likely accidentally clip a TC over a SS by doing so; it'll probably hurt you in the long run

Prot's an unfortunate class where you really can't afford to macro much if you're trying to play well

You can play to "I can limp along the finish line" with macros like that, but your damage and survival will go down

For the record, you want Outburst breakdowns along the lines of this in dungeons for damage, pulling one of Nome's logs at random:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wjm7ANCVndvZ6zBG#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=385&sourcebuffs=386478

[vague abyss]

i think the only button i macro together is Avatar and Shield Charge, because tbh those are used asap

[pallid quiver]

So 84 of his were sent on SS, 8 on TB, and 8 on TC

[fiery gale]

oh damn didnt expect shield slam to be that high end of run

Especially with decently sized pulls

[pallid quiver]

That's specifically the breakdown of damage under Outburst

If you look at the Casts # while applying a filter to only see damage dealt while Outburst is active,

You can extrapolate what you sent Outburst on

Since Outburst is only consumed by SS, TB, and TC

You can click the outburst icon above the damage listing twice to swap back to looking at just the normal damage breakdown

[fiery gale]

I see, thx

Its possible i am using shield slam too few

[pallid quiver]

SS is pretty much your highest prio at all times except in AOE when you have two stacks of TB

Since you don't want to waste any stacks of TB over time

[fathom spoke]

Last time i played prot was legion, been tanking on brew recently but kinda fancied a lil change.
Is revenge our only spender for dps outside of execute phase?

[round cliff]

man

[pallid quiver]

Outside of colossus, your DPS buttons are SS and TC/TB

[round cliff]

i really wanna play blood dk for the privilege but they're just so weird

[pallid quiver]

Revenge is your only thing that spends rage to do damage, yes, but you also have IP off the GCD

And it has no notable CD, unlike the DPS specs

So your goal with rage is to never waste any, pumping into IP even if you're already at IP cap

But you need enough to use Revenge as a filler to fish for SS procs

[fathom spoke]

I originally stopped playing prot when they added IP to gcd

[pallid quiver]

So don't mega spam IP

[ripe abyss]

hey stupid question. want to level my old fury and play prot but dont have any 1h/shield

[pallid quiver]

yeah you're not mashing IP quite as fast as Legion with the Argus tier set, but you still press it a lot

[ripe abyss]

how do i get any D :

tried on ah but they are 80lv

[pallid quiver]

how low you mean, or are you level 70?

[ripe abyss]

70

[round cliff]

there's ilvl 70 boes on AH

[pallid quiver]

If you're level 70, you can kinda grab a vendor weapon and get scaling carried probably; you also get quick weapons from the intro questline for Dornogal

[ripe abyss]

there are vendors that sells eq?

[pallid quiver]

they're like whites/grays around on random vendors always

They're not at all good

but you get kinda carried by scaling

[ripe abyss]

yeah just want to spam timewalks

[pallid quiver]

Easiest way to get usable gear would be to just do the quests on Isle of Dorn

[ripe abyss]

so its w/e but need anything to start

[pallid quiver]

If you're doing timewalking,

You can buy any gear above ilvl like 75

And it'll get scaled down to 75

[fathom spoke]

Just buy anything above level 30 and it will work for tw

[ripe abyss]

perfect

[narrow patrol]

ugh does anyone get anxiety tanking high keys

[round cliff]

used to

[fathom spoke]

Nah man, still counts to your vault even if u overtime

[round cliff]

now i just accept that if anything goes wrong it's not my fault

[fathom spoke]

If u fuck up u fuck up

[round cliff]

👍

[fathom spoke]

Plus if u fuck something up you can think what you can do in the future to not fuck it up

[narrow patrol]

is thre an expection to +2 keys at +9/10? I can consistently time those keys, but feels like I need giga pulls to make timer for +2 unlesss dps is top notch

[jagged pier]

no

ppl expect u t finishs asap

when really all u need to do is time

[narrow patrol]

okay thank you @jagged pier

[pallid quiver]

so yes, there's an expectation, but also

fuck 'em

[smoky anvil]

Goal should be to time

If you +2 at that level in a pug you say SHEEEESH we popped off and move on

[narrow patrol]

o7

[hasty lintel]

this a decent spread?

[lofty veldt]

Gamers, do you have a keybind to mark mobs?

[hoary grail]

i use the F keys

[proud dock]

is the game lagging out?

[lofty veldt]

Mfw 65% keyboard is biting me in the ass I’m

Trying to figure how to bind them lol

[hoary grail]

oof lol

[lofty veldt]

Also my friend recommend mouse wheel binds and I just find those diabolical

[long bronze]

mmo without f keys

[hoary grail]

yeah lots of people use mousewheel binds - i can't do it though

[long bronze]

I have kick on shift and alt (focus) mousewheel up and shockwave on shift mousewheel down

[frail ibex]

Lets fucking go

So fucking close too

[cyan mulch]

I use auto mark weak aura and then have skull/X bound to change if needed. Idk why people need more than that.

[tranquil harbor]

Hi guys, maybe a noob question, but how do you get rid of the Grasping Slash debuff when tanking in Ara-Kara? The one that slows you by 90%.

[cyan mulch]

Are you getting stunned by the overseers before the last boss due to it?

[hoary grail]

you can shield block it, idk if it bypasses the debuff though

[tranquil harbor]

Yeah! I can heroic leep once, but the stuns come more often.

[cyan mulch]

Intervene, leap, charge, should be able to get out of it. Call for a rescue or life grip if playing with those classes. If DPS is low and you cannot rotate abilities then you can do a smaller pull.

Freedom from a pally, etc.

[zealous goblet]

been in this problem, and i play without intervene

good one is leap. then you can hold avatar for 20ish seconds to break out too

avatar frees you of roots and slows

[fathom spoke]

Anyone who doesnt raid, opinions on getting weapon and shield crafted? And is the all stacking 2ndary stats on weapons > duskthread?

[zealous goblet]

intervene, obviously

[tranquil harbor]

Avatar, good point! Thanks

[zealous goblet]

no problem!

just remember to not hold it too long, this is a rare case where its worth holding

[cyan mulch]

Thread is better in M+ if you can keep good uptime.

[merry halo]

Question for the pro tanks in here: how are you dealing with the poisons and bleeds in 9+ keys? Is this something healers will have to deal with, or is there something we're able to help mitigate? They shred through IP and SW, so I don't know what else I should be doing to counter this insane damage (other than using Bitter Immunity)

[fathom spoke]

Poisons should be dispelled by healers or dps imo. Bleeds you just have to use your mitigation or have externals or rely on healers i guess

[rain light]

or play dwarf

[cyan mulch]

Unsure without seeing logs as I don’t even have issues with them in 12s. I imagine you aren’t keeping IP high if you’re getting shredded by them.

They will blow through IP fast so make sure to spam if no dispel is possible.

[merry halo]

It's specificly the mobs in the first few pack pulls in COT. The Sureki Venomblades do Venom Strike which absolutely deletes IP

[cyan mulch]

You can spell block those

[daring light]

is it possible to have a charge intercept hamstring mousover macro all in one button>?

nvm got it

[zealous goblet]

what the fuck are you hamstringing

[tender pond]

SoB 2nd boss

[inland raft]

Pvs id assume

[daring light]

just got it into it for pvp

[inland raft]

Thunderclap is a slow for sob boss

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-surprised-metal-geaar-rising-revengeance-gif-17637551

[tender pond]

oh ye thats right

[zealous goblet]

yeah

thats what im tryna say

[tender pond]

I dont do that anyway

shrug

[turbid shuttle]

it used to not work on that boss, so some people aren't aware they fixed it

but now just tclap is fine

[inland raft]

Ya i notice even in 12s theres still people who arent aware of some things that work differently

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[inland raft]

Time to start working on my pally next though, part of me just wants to make him ret only though

[pliant path]

should both charges of shield block used at all times?

[daring light]

i wouldnt use it one after another try and keep one charge and use shield charge to keep it going

and bolster if you have it talented

but try and keep shield block up as much as you can

[zealous goblet]

wait no ignore that yes

they stack

[hoary grail]

is it worth using shockwave on a ST fight?

[zealous goblet]

the only time you dont just send it is if you're near 24 seconds

from HR shield slams

[hoary grail]

i know we use shield charge/ravager/spear but didnt see much about shockwave

[inland raft]

No reason to save it. During pull they extend duration up to 3x only time to even think about it is at end of pull

[zealous goblet]

you cap at 24 on shield block duration

38/39 if you have bolster

since bolster says "fuck u"

and just +15s

[daring light]

i wouldnt use shockwave in ST

[hoary grail]

ok ty

[daring light]

just use iot to stun adds

like the first boss of NW

[hoary grail]

right, yeah

[tender pond]

nah boutta shockwave for damage 🗣️ 🔥

[zealous goblet]

i use shockwave on single target when i acidentally rage starve so i can technically have a filler

hope my auto lets my shield slam reset..

[tender pond]

shockwave is a good filler to use on the gripping tentacles in SoB after the demolishing terror has died already and you're fishing for damage

smth like that

bolt too

:)

[left beacon]

Does anyone know of great spots to use intervene?

[tender pond]

NW 1st boss

[zealous goblet]

mentally challenged melee dps who dont let you get threat

[left beacon]

lol

[tender pond]

they are one channel up, bro

#fury

[zealous goblet]

also, one of your good escapes during ara kara 90% slows and overseer bouta drop a nut

avatar, intervene, and leap

or be a human and have a stun cleanse

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-armstrong-gif-26250693

[left beacon]

Yea i don't even run it currently. Gotta get better with it

[zealous goblet]

its ok i dont even run it at all

i prefer my 5% move speed

dont tell the others i'll be beheaded

[hoary grail]

lol

[tender pond]

i dont follow the church of 5% MS personally

[deft mortar]

I don't run intervane rither

[tender pond]

but i think its valid

intervene is hyper niche

[molten gorge]

I run the movement as well instead ngl

[deft mortar]

I ain't helping anyone live

I act run Second Wind lmfao

[hoary grail]

i get it to catch up to people in front of me

[zealous goblet]

logically speaking intervene is the better choice but the 5% move speed placebo feels better than sex

[deft mortar]

Some pulls Second Wind was 10% of my heals although usually a fraction in overall%

[graceful kite]

its weird that you spend a lot of time below 35

[tender pond]

odd one

[smoky anvil]

I really enjoy intervene for its defensive value

[deft mortar]

Was NW 4 packs pull

[smoky anvil]

It’s not always high, but something is better than nothing

[deft mortar]

Overall it was like 0.6-1%

[rare kraken]

Just another form of mobility to me

Also is wrecking throw worth taking in PVE in the slightest lol it doesn’t feel like it does enough for it’s niche

[deft mortar]

For below 12 keys on that affix you had to break shield

Nah even then why

Maybe vs Stonevault 2nd boss

[narrow patrol]

just barely timed a +10 SoB

[tender pond]

what held your group back from a +2?

[round cliff]

glue sniffing

[tender pond]

ah intellect classes

checks out

[zealous goblet]

nay, 's a pve talent, pretty much everything in your rotation outdamages the damage it could do to a shield

[round cliff]

lmaoo

[narrow patrol]

but i never died!

[deft mortar]

Did your dps die to 1st boss trash

lmao

LMAOOO

[narrow patrol]

no they died to the first pack

[zealous goblet]

shield slam does more, tclap's rend will almost do the same

in combo with tclap

[deft mortar]

Oh firebombs

[zealous goblet]

so use yer point elsewhere

[deft mortar]

Meh

[narrow patrol]

yeah those guys

wish i had dk grip

[deft mortar]

I see they died at last boss too

At the literal last stage maybe

[narrow patrol]

you are absolutely right

[deft mortar]

I can't stand DPSers who are blind / can't focus on their rotation and do mechanics

[narrow patrol]

just dps things

[smoky anvil]

Grats brother

[normal kelp]

why dont you thunderous roar in avatar?

[narrow patrol]

new key is +11 SV so i think i'll pass on that lol

@smoky anvil thanks brother

[hoary grail]

i did a +10 a few days ago and we were 14 seconds over 😦

feels bad

[narrow patrol]

i know that feeling all too well, seems like a mixed bag of skill 8-10

[jagged gust]

I missed a siege by 1 second a few days ago because our healer dispelled while melee was stacked twice and yeeted our mage into the nether both times

[hoary grail]

thats rough

[rare kraken]

Yeah that was my exact thinking

[zealous goblet]

I meant to say pvp mb

[rare kraken]

I think the only time I felt genuine value out of it was on second boss Stonevault when I stole a bunch of orbs and used it, all the amplifiers stacked together made it one shot the shield

But even that’s unacceptably niche because there are literally zero shields anywhere else in the instance

[rare kraken]

Yeah I just spammed Execute on the affix instead lol

[rare kraken]

Surely they buff it to 1000% in pve but keep it at 500% in pvp so that its marginally useful

[sand smelt]

maybe someone can clarify for me, if i have finally gotten 90 gilded crests, should i recraft my 619 shield to 636 first, i don't really have anything else to use gilded crests on. this weeks vault will have my first mythic track items

i shouldnt use em to upgrade hero track stuff rigght

[frosty mango]

Shield is the biggest survival upgrade you can get

So if you’re doing keys it’s generally a good pick

[sand smelt]

can never be too thick imo:P

[sleek current]

Playing BDK on Ovi'nax... Blizzard why have you forsaken us.

[graceful kite]

Thers always a bdk boss

I really need someone to boost my priest in a 10

[brittle tendon]

dunno if anybody else has seen/done it but you can intervene the heaving retch on blightbone (1st boss on NW)

feels like a big deal and makes the boss trivial

[smoky dock]

Hello have a question I just got Skarmorak Shard saw it was A tier in trinkets for prot and simmed it and simmed a lot higher than my other trinkets. I was curious as to how good mastery is for prot warrior I always thought mastery was very below average in stats for us.

[sleek current]

Mastery isn't a bad stat. You always want a bit of it for that tasty crit block but, at the end of the day it increases your attack power regardless.

[smoky dock]

Gotcha thanks

[tribal wharf]

could just be 576 illv but my bdk is literal paper in TW heroics

purged on first pull

[graceful kite]

Theyre scaled weird

Trash aoe in forge of souls oneshots

[sleek current]

I managed +5 Grim Batol at around 582. Don't sleep on Lichborne, and Icebound.

TW is a different kettle.

[tribal wharf]

Im playing wrong too lol

ppl die to melee, dont brez even though i have it

you know the stuff

[fervent kestrel]

Hey guys. Hoping someone here can help. I know it's a lot easier to look at raid fight logs, but not really having issues in raids, it's more M+. The healer in my consistent group is saying that there's some pulls where I just kinda splat, where he's had lower geared tanks not have that issue. If someone could look at any of my M+ logs and see if there's anything that stands out, or if not, maybe I can just approach it as a skill issue. Thanks.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/hamslammin?zone=39

[pallid quiver]

I can look in roughly 20mins

[inner wren]

Is there a dungeon or pull in particular

[pallid quiver]

Alright, I ain't home yet and can only view mobile, but you need to press a lot more buttons. You're not even breaching 60 CPM on a spec that does like 70+

[fervent kestrel]

Dawnbreaker, three pack before we go into the church from the south

First pull of Mists, grabbing the two little packs plus the Droman-like mob.

One or two of the maze pulls in Mists

Some of the hallway pulls with Flamerenders and warlocks in Grim Batol.

Stairs before the big beetle going to the third boss in City of Threads

First big pull in Necrotic wake going Left > Center > Center

Third/4th Pull in Siege

[pallid quiver]

Your SS CPM that I can see in a stonevault is 10.9, when it can reach upwards of 17

[fervent kestrel]

I used to be pressing a lot more Revenge, but as I'm pushing into 10s/11s, I've started transitioning it almost solely into IP, and I find myself a bit more rage starved

[pallid quiver]

You're rage starved because you're missing tons of casts of SS

You're getting almost half of what you can reach

So you're likely missing SS resets a lot

For IP and revenge use, you use IP to avoid overcapping and revenge as a filler to fish for more SS resets

[fervent kestrel]

That makes sense. I end up in a pack and just blowing every global on IP/SB instead of making sure to regen rage, or prioing TC to make sure of aggro.

[round cliff]

i wanna catweave im gonna level guardian

[pallid quiver]

If you over or underuse either, you rage starve and get less rage, damage, and survival as a reult

IP and SB both aren't on the GCD

[fervent kestrel]

Are they GCD locked to each other?

[pallid quiver]

so if you're trying to spend GCDs on them, you are direly hurting yourself

[fervent kestrel]

Maybe I'm going crazy over here, lol

[pallid quiver]

No, they only have iCDs with themselves

[toxic pewter]

Just press your buttons faster

Will solve all your issues

[pallid quiver]

So pressing IP only orevents you from pressing IP again

Heck, 'm not even sure if SB as an ICD

[wind heart]

Stupid question:
If SB is not on gcd, what stops me from macroing it to SS?

[pallid quiver]

I can't check easy until I get home, but I wager your SB uptime is suffering as a result

[pallid quiver]

The fact that you want to dynamically soace when to use it so you don't rage starve yourself or waste uptime near the end of a pack/while not actively tanking in raid

It's not as bad as it used to be, but it will hurt you eventually

[fervent kestrel]

Right now, I'm averaging about 70-80% uptime on SB and IP depending on the dungeon

[pallid quiver]

You can have 100% effective uptime in combat. Add on to likely panic when starting pulls causing you to get back clipped, and it probably is doing you no favors

IP uptime isn't a good metric as it is too attached to damage profiles; you can't get any useful datat out of that

[fervent kestrel]

I also find myself not pre-using defensives, trying to get in the habit of that better. Like, pulling the three packs before Church in Dawnbreaker, I find myself charging first, charging second and then casting SW before charging third.

I'm used to bear tanking where I just have to hit Incarn and then I'm totally fine for 30 seconds no matter what, versus truly using them as a consistent short-term resource

[pallid quiver]

If you're going fast enough that they aren't hitting you, you cab probably get by with just def stance for raw gather, then SW once they get in, but remember that the starting and early sections of a pack hit the hardest

Think of it like using Bark get into a pull w/o incarn

SW when playing properly has a similar CD, so

the fuck is baronto phone

This is why you don't text and walk kids

[fervent kestrel]

Yeah, I think that's my problem. I'll get to a point where I charge first pack, then it takes me a second to get oriented to start pulling to second pack, or I'll accidentally show my back as I'm trying to run towards second pack

[brittle tendon]

i think there's only a few logs in those places you mentioned having trouble

i think this is a good example tho

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zNCqrymkWG4vLbT7#fight=8&type=deaths&source=162&death=1

reflect saves you here

ignore pain usage (probably stemming from above convo) wasn't too great in this pull

it also seems like you weren't getting healed for a good amount of time

[terse hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/xaviwarr?zone=39#boss=12662

If we are doing logs I'd love a look at my 10s from today, I'm timing them now but I'd love a look at what I can be doing to smooth things out

[fluid widget]

God damn those queen nerfs are something g

[sleek current]

I might be stupid but, you've not linked any logs. Just your parses based on leaderboards.

[terse hollow]

Maybe I'm the idiot

[round cliff]

whos this mf think he IS

[terse hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/xaviwarr?zone=39

Is that anymore use?

[deft mortar]

Fray is for chads

[harsh mulch]

Anyone can answer me, why NONE of my intervenes are working? Charges from mist maze and frontal on NW first boss etc. I'm getting annoyed. I'm stnading within 10 yards. What am I doing wrong?

[sleek current]

I think it's 35% right now to switch to ITF - Heavy Repercussions is to cover the caps if you can't manage it through haste.

I would never pick one without the other but, if I had to drop one, I'd probably drop champion's might if I was looking for defense, the opposite if I was going for attack.

[deft mortar]

Ppl are unhinged LMAO

[sleek current]

Unfortunately not. You need to actively log them. They're all leaderboards unless someone else has logged it.

[deft mortar]

Also crit some poor soul for 1M revenge in GB appearantly

[pallid quiver]

It me

Storm stormhammer

[sleek current]

You'd have to SIM it but, my opinion is based on the fact piercing provides more rage gen.

[harsh mulch]

Anyone can answer me, why NONE of my intervenes are working? Charges from mist maze and frontal on NW first boss etc. I'm getting annoyed. I'm stnading within 10 yards. What am I doing wrong?

[deft mortar]

Btw: based charge intervene macro

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [harm] Charge
/cast [help] Intervene

[sleek current]

Give me a log and I'll take a look at what might be happening beyond that I can't guess

[terse hollow]

ah shite, is there no keys logged at all?

[sleek current]

Shit, I didn't think of this... That's huge. Though I am concerned that my mouse position may cause the opposite effect.

[sleek current]

There is a 5 SoB and a 5 NW but, they're not great parses probably because of key level.

[terse hollow]

okay well im so far beyond 5s it hurts haha

i guess my mission is log tomorrow and then see

[sleek current]

Get an auto combat logger addon and then you'll have whatever you need whenever. Just make sure to delete the logs occasionally or you'll eventually run out of disk space.

[pallid quiver]

Damn, someone on the newest wowhead post effectively said i don't deserve to kill h queen

[sleek current]

Internet people aren't real people.

[pallid quiver]

Still don't have aotc; she's sinply too hard. I can't brez enough DPS to get them through P1

[sleek current]

You zug zug here and unga bunga there and you'll slam it eventually.

[pallid quiver]

But i don't wanna eventually, i want it handed to me on a platter so i don't ever have to enter it again because i dont like raiding

[sleek current]

It's a tough one to be fair. It definitely gave my mythic raid team more trouble than it was worth initially. There is still occasionally the odd wipe on re-clears.

I still don't even have a 90 parse on it. Those boost groups really fucking the numbers. 😂

[pallid quiver]

I've to get a 90 parse on court because the other tanks have hated having the bosses together

[sleek current]

What's their reasoning?

[pallid quiver]

Now that I'm home for a bit, your blocking is definitely hurting you; it should be like, minimum 95% for blocked hits. You also, even with the low rage gen, wasted 582 rage, so almost six full bars worth of rage. You've only got 16 casts of Shield Wall, as well, when it should be on like a minute CD (it won't be that for you, since you're just not spending enough rage and pressing enough SS)

[pallid quiver]

pugs

If I get a reason, it's "those monkey DPS can't figure out dispells smh"

which is kinda accurate

but like

dispells aren't in P1 my guy

[sleek current]

Brilliant. Even then, you can just wait after the grip and then charge in after dispels are complete.

[pallid quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/nuever

These are all the best I've managed so far this season; it's rough parsing these days since I'm still only like 615 with 619 wep

since i do like, one M+ dungeon a week after the first week

hard on the cba scale

[sleek current]

.3 average better than me, at least without the Ansurak parse anyway

[pallid quiver]

I have ansurek logs, but they only go to 10% smh

sorry, 14%

[sleek current]

My beloved Warrior is benched until Ovi'nax is dead. 😢

[soft aspen]

Lol why, warrior is fine in that boss

[pallid quiver]

I really think they should give grips to more classes if they're going to hard require grips this bad for all the Mythic raids

[sleek current]

There is not a single Prot Warrior parse that isn't 3 tank. If you convince my raid leader that's the better strat, I'll suck your dick mate.

[south zealot]

war vdh would be the only thing u can realistically do

[pallid quiver]

Hell, there's only 3 public prot war logs for Brood at all

er, 6

[south zealot]

but idk how viable that is for living spiders

[pallid quiver]

I was thinking when I first looked

we've doubled the amount of prot wars who have killed Mythic Brood since I last checked

[sleek current]

VDH is my co-tank but, it's just not going to fly. He wants us double BDK but, we're missing DH buff so co-tank is stuck for now. Lucky bastard.

I jest, I don't really mind, BDK has been fun but, it's not "me"

[sleek current]

They're all still 3 tank unfortunately. Latest one is VDH, Prot, Blood

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, pretty much all of them are VDH, Prot, Blood

[tough fulcrum]

does anyone know what kira plays with that displays tank hit ect in the middle there?

[pallid quiver]

I think there was one Blood, Blood, Prot?

i was just glancing at it

[sleek current]

It's very likely one of the dungeon weakauras.

[snow furnace]

is there a versa% I should aim for?

I see top prot warriors investing in the stat more than crit

[pallid quiver]

having stats

No % of any secondary to aim for other than more

The highest IO people stack vers likely as a remnant from BFA times and just because it makes them feel better; defensive stats are all close enough for Prot War that it doesn't make a difference on top of the base kit of the class

[snow furnace]

I see everybody running experiment 087 instead of e.g ancient dredger

[sleek current]

My stats are mainly dictated by the gear I manage to acquire with some selective choices here and there. 😂

I hunger and greed for haste though.

[pallid quiver]

By the time any amount of vers you could stack would save you in comparison to play, the party has been dead for seven key levels

[snow furnace]

fair enough

[pallid quiver]

As long as you get ilvl, and preferably haste on it, you're good to tank whatever

[snow furnace]

but like, my crit is 20% and versa is 4% 🤔

[sleek current]

You'll be fine.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, bis in terms of raw performance actually has very minimal vers, since crit is more damage and they're close enough defensively. Add on to the fact that we're not hitting diminishing returns hard enough yet,

bis is like almost all crit/haste with incidental mastery/vers

[snow furnace]

ok, cool, thank you

[pallid quiver]

Being all haste/vers would be similar, but it's slightly less damage

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-thanksgiving-boyle-gobble-gobble-gif-19343658

Me when I see a haste item

[marble night]

do you need to provide all the mats again for recrafts?

[sleek current]

No, it's reduced cost.

[tough fulcrum]

do you know what wa it is?

[tribal wharf]

loggerhead

[neat parrot]

should i worry about 2% in 12's ???

[sleek current]

Unfortunately not. I've used DBM since the dawn of time and I refuse to stop now because I'm an old man an will not change my ways

[pallid quiver]

Half the non-essential mats, iirc, with non-essential being like the standard smithing bars

[sharp gale]

I think there is one where they two tank with a prot warrior and a bdk

[sleek current]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons - Might be this one

[pallid quiver]

I think I know which one you're talking about, but the VDH just did drastically different damage from the Prot and BDK

[sleek current]

I've checked 'em all. They're all a mix of Prot with insert 2 X other tanks.

[marble night]

do you need another spark for recrafts?

[sleek current]

No

[pallid quiver]

All Prot/VDH/BDK except the one Prot/BDK/BDK

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah that’s the one I didn’t see the vdh

Stupid icon

[pallid quiver]

yeah i know right

i cannot tell them apart by their icon at all

[sleek current]

For real

[sharp gale]

Almost exact same as dps

[pallid quiver]

Biggest L of the WoW design team in Legion, 100%, was the icons for DH

[sharp gale]

And the name

[sleek current]

Purple = Damage | No Purple = Not Damage. 😂

[sharp gale]

After I do a break of wow and I come back I always forget which spec is vengeance or havoc

[pallid quiver]

just hate and shun both of them. then you don't have to ever worry

[sleek current]

I never even try... I just scoff

[sleek current]

Yeah, this

[sharp gale]

I always do

Took me more time to find the vdh icon than doing the macro

[south zealot]

???

[proud dock]

bro is that macro even legal

[south zealot]

no

[pallid quiver]

I assumed it as him wishing to slam every single last button into a VDH's face

[dim girder]

Hey guys, how much Verse do you think is solid to run a 10 11 without much fear?

Im a haste verse kinda tank

Crit just feels less rewarding to sustain myself

[pallid quiver]

#protection message

Convo earlier about similar thing there

[dim girder]

Ty

Ill read over there

[pallid quiver]

tl;dr as much of stats as possible

[tribal wharf]

good thing i checked dk vault i guess

[crude pumice]

which one to craft first weapon or shield for myth item?

[wicked pollen]

shield probably

[dim girder]

Shield for me

[wicked pollen]

im crafting a weapon every time but its shield

[sharp gale]

It was kinda a personal challenge, I did a +7 yet with it

[crude pumice]

ayt thanks my fellow tank bros. im still in a dilemma tho. To craft two hand weap, 1hand or shield. Im not that confident tanking with my guildies compared to just winging it via pug or we have better sweats tank i mean lol

[sharp gale]

I crafted the three you mentioned lol

[crude pumice]

i mean 90 glided is a steep price bro hahaha. I havent used a single spark this season tho

not even then the free 619 crest

[sharp gale]

Yes kinda feels bad, that’s the way of the prot warrior playing dps in guild raid

[timid pivot]

hey guys what embelishment do you put on your 636 weapon ?

[wicked pollen]

look in #protection-faq

[timid pivot]

dont see dushtread underweapon tho, so is that only on non weapon gera?

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah, the other day I just saw a dude grab the second boss of mists is it already patched ?

[wicked pollen]

only gear

[wicked pollen]

yes

[sharp gale]

Im dumb it’s the second top news of wowhead lol

Glad they made something nice for raid boosts in ansurek tuning

[wicked pollen]

boosting ansurek got infinitely easier btw

[toxic pewter]

on my rogue alt and some pug group could not time +2

[sharp gale]

My friend depleted the first key he did the day m+ opened

Ara Kara +2

[toxic pewter]

yeah just felt weird like we didnt time it

then everyone was like almost happy about just finishing the dungeon LOL

like I guess no one cared to time it it is just a +2 I suppose it doesnt matter

[wicked pollen]

yesterday i think i almost depleted an 8 while playing like a terrorist on my aug

meanwhile i also timed a 12 on the same character

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/66eb9089e01921e27b35b5ff/4x.gif

[warm garden]

Hi all. I'm main-alt a prot warrior and I'm starting to do 9's and 10's. I'm struggling to keep up ignore pain / shield block reliably. (Ignore pain is getting chunked, then SB falls off in the panic to get it back up)
Is there any changes I could make to my build to stop getting chunked / get more rage to dump into IP?

[toxic pewter]

If you are having issues with shield block uptime should just switch to Heavy Repurcussions

[warm garden]

I love HR but I'm seeing top warriors use into the fray. The haste seems really good.

[toxic pewter]

lol

[wicked pollen]

and maybe you drop bsv for ravager

[warm garden]

But I'll definitely go back in a heartbeat if that'd help me live more

[wicked pollen]

or drop sc for bolster

[sharp gale]

Take a haste flask then

[toxic pewter]

I mean you are effectively saying I am OK with dying as long as I can get a potential ~6% dam increase

by all means continue

[wicked pollen]

god i love blindly copying a build

[warm garden]

SC as in shield charge or? (I'm not up to date with warrior terms like I am with guardian druid)

[sharp gale]

And then run a key and popping on prot discord channel with a log with death because no SB

[toxic pewter]

but you should post a log so people can see what is going on

[wicked pollen]

oh yeah

[warm garden]

I would if I logged my runs :/
I haven't had WCL installed for a long while, not since WOTLK classic

[toxic pewter]

ignore pain is mainly used a rage dump these days, you are probably pressing it too much, not pressing shield slam enough, not getting full shield block up time, perhaps rage starving yourself, these are common mistakes

but hard to say for sure without log

[warm garden]

The problem is I feel I have to dump more into Ignore Pain because it's getting instachunked away and the buff falls off pretty quick

[wicked pollen]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

yeah you are focusing way too much on ignore pain

[sharp gale]

And before you come with logs with a death because no shield block, we already can say it’s because you pick into the fray

Just as prevention

[wicked pollen]

the only reason this would happen would be getting hit without shield block up or being hit from behind

[toxic pewter]

ignore pain while it does do a lot for us defensively is only pressed to make sure you are not overcapping on rage

[warm garden]

I'm gonna take a gander and say the ITF is a meme point or something that top warrs use because they can utilize it better? Seems a lot like the EW of warriors

[toxic pewter]

should press it around 60-70 rage

[wicked pollen]

sure my ignore pain bar moves but usually its stable

[warm garden]

I see, I'm gonna try a run with heavy and see if it does any better

I'm used to heavy anyways, played it in DF and loved it

[wicked pollen]

its not, but most warriors doing high keys are just not going for 100% uptime with hr

[toxic pewter]

i mean it can depend on how much haste you have

[warm garden]

Without fray I'm at 21%

[toxic pewter]

yeah thats too low

[wicked pollen]

no chance

[toxic pewter]

you got big shield block uptime gaps

[sharp gale]

Because they have huge haste, they use haste flask and pick BSV so if sb drops « maybe they will not die »

[wicked pollen]

also you dont need 2 points in endurance training

[warm garden]

I'm definitely in need of better gear if haste is the issue, that's why I'm doing higher keys to possibly slot in some better pieces
I'm also considering the fact it's a gear issue

[wicked pollen]

you are taking a dps loss by not taking both spear talents

eh idk

you can do 12s in that gear

[warm garden]

So take 1 out of Training and go into PC?

[primal narwhal]

well at this point , u can aim to farm 7's and replace all the champion with hero gear and farm runed crests

then start to farm 8 for glided once u have enough runed

[wicked pollen]

yes

[warm garden]

I can easily do 7's right now, just doing 9's / 10's to help a friend out with rating

[south zealot]

into the fray should only be played with a lot of haste

[toxic pewter]

yeah work to get more haste in mean time try HR have a feeling you are dropping shield block and you may not even realize it and it can make u take some giga hits that hurt

[south zealot]

far too low

[warm garden]

Alright! Gonna try a 9 dawnbreaker and report back with the changes

Thanks for the help :))

[wicked pollen]

wait

why do you need 2 charges of shield wall

@warm garden

[toxic pewter]

yeah not running impen wall you lose 26.67% rage on shield slam our most important ability