protection

[spark lichen]

Is it charge tclap, charge tclap, leap tclap?

Are people just expected to know not to zug until they're clumped?

[jagged pier]

u can leave rav on the first pack

or throw is on the next

[spark lichen]

Rav on danger/money/prio pack I assume?

Mainly the sketch pulls are in NW with the fkn harvesters

[ionic fern]

The first one?

Best advise is you write to people "don't attack,doing big pull".

Heroic throw the left pack,heroix throw right back,charge into mid pack,heroix throw middle pack in the back,move into harvester.

I do miss AoE heroic throw.

[fresh kernel]

as dps main, i can confirm this doesn't work

[ionic fern]

Je,but this way you cover your ass.

"i did tell you..".

[fresh kernel]

covering ur ass isn't how u keep dps from zugzuging, you have to put the fear of god in them

if you don't give me time for aggro you'll die, maybe even in irl life

[obtuse tide]

Yeah this is gonna be a great help for me, it’s exactly what im looking for. Thanks for the tip!

[lean bramble]

Jai!
Thunderous Roar better than Champion Spear in Grim Batol right?
TR also generate alot of threat also deal more DMG.
It's certainly better than CS.

[jagged pier]

it deals less damage

and gives less rage

but gives more snap threat

[lean bramble]

1 point in Uproar it's 45s
CS is still 1:30 it deal more DMG more threat less rage generate less mob control.

[celest shuttle]

Hitting all targets with Roar is also easier than Spear, so you might want to consider that if mobs are not packed

[lean bramble]

Ya CS only shine in Mob control n rage generate.
Roar gave more threat n less cool down.
Ty for advice.

[sweet summit]

mwahi live coaching

[ionic fern]

Wish i could coach myself.

[tawdry dirge]

heya does IP anything about the absorb on feast ?

or rather can i help with something else then victory

[hoary pivot]

Which feast?

[tender reef]

But roar also needs at least 1 more point

And that's only if you only take the reduced cd

Otherwise it's 2 and one of the endgame points

[orchid walrus]

doesn't last stand technically heal us? Not sure if that would be wise there but maybe

[sweet summit]

IP is not a heal, but indom is. IV and LS also heals

[violet ginkgo]

Press shield wall

After that pray to healer to heal you.

[peak pier]

I think if you take TR you want to take Bloodborn (2 point) so you cant grab Enduring Alacrity & Armored to the Teeth 2/2

[violet ginkgo]

The rare items. 1 from sikran (neck), 1 from rash (cloak) and 1 from ansurek (ring)

[graceful kite]

It absorbs damage while shes meleing you

[tawdry dirge]

ye but basicly i need to trust my healers to get the absorb of me

and i brealy can do anything right

[graceful kite]

Well its a design

Healer mechanic

[tawdry dirge]

kk

[graceful kite]

She does no damage anyway

[primal narwhal]

yeah, just keep shield block up and let your healer do his job

[teal laurel]

There is a god

[woeful trellis]

🙌🙌

[twin hill]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-him-gif-7042948485213753465

[sullen gust]

Would anyone be able to give me some advice on what hurts in necrotic wake and why?

[woeful trellis]

People don’t play mechanics

[graceful kite]

where

and hurts who tank or your team

things that might kill you are mobs called bonecarver b4 second boss

they reduce your max hp with every cast and it stacks

fuck nw btw not stepping foot in it

[woeful trellis]

It was one of the best…. But now…

[graceful kite]

yep

they should just remove weapons now and tune bosses accordingly

[sweet summit]

reanimated mage or whatever frostbolt volley is scary big dam
marauder cleave can be scary for dps players
marauders also have a fear cast that needs kicked
harvester/collector drain fluids or whatever needs kicked
also goresplatter from harvester/collector
gatekeeper wrath huge group aoe damage healer mechanic innit
bonecarvers as txr mentioned
and lastly you should intervene the target of the frontal on 1st boss (don't leave intervene range) (you can also spell reflect it (?))
everything else we kinda just live

[onyx pike]

how do you guys analyse logs, if even? Or are we green if we simply survive?

[sweet summit]

you should keep an eye on necromancer reanimate dead cast to atop it asap (stun or fear it)

[woeful trellis]

Yes intervene + reflect, cause sometimes you can’t get out so fast

[woeful trellis]

Wasted rage, sb uptime etc

[sweet summit]

generally look at blocked hits%, wasted rage and CPM
if there's anything specific you struggle with just lmk

[onyx pike]

so nobody compares for dmg done logs?

[graceful kite]

logs are done to check your gameplay

damage will come with good gameplay

[onyx pike]

Not a struggle really, just wondering tbh. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/antonidas/mackzim i mean be my guest if something stands out.

[graceful kite]

check for wasted rage, amount of casts (wasted cd casts), missed reflects, wrong rotational priority and stuff

interrupts and all that

ah logs in raid are done to flex

[onyx pike]

thats what it feels like :kekw

[graceful kite]

(actually to check who's failing mechanics 5 times in a row but stays silent)

[onyx pike]

i get it for dps players tho

in the end u wont get that sweet 100 without pi and sugarcoating evoker, but still.

[graceful kite]

im memeing tho logs are helpful to check gameplay and mechanic failures

I did 1 round of raid tanking got 99

[onyx pike]

do people log their m+ nowadays? I check my uptimes with details

[graceful kite]

gotta fix purple stuff next week and be gucci

[jagged pier]

u have logs on keys

we also dont care about uptime

useless metric

[graceful kite]

I have a general rule for myself that if I'm under purple log I'm misplaying heavily

[sweet summit]

details don't show you if you get hit in the back or things like that

[onyx pike]

wtf is actually do, how? i never logged, so someone in my group?

[graceful kite]

on anything other that a healer

[jagged pier]

ppl log in pugs

[sweet summit]

look at damage, not points, and you'll see the logged runs

[graceful kite]

how do I do good logs on bloodbound tho

somehow I just do shit dps on it

[molten gorge]

I'm glad I decided to log mine tbh, helped me spot some bad stuff early on before the habits set in (tho I'm sure there's still more)

[jagged pier]

pad on adds, pray your side gets more add phases

[graceful kite]

i dont like that drop

[jagged pier]

tanked these are like 613 in an alt run

[graceful kite]

gotta fix that

[jagged pier]

on a reclear when we didnt have one of our 2 tanks

613 ilvl again

[graceful kite]

well im not a main tank too

[jagged pier]

should get logs now

[graceful kite]

im a bad fury war

[jagged pier]

im 11ilvls higher

raid leading is annoying as dps

hc are better tbf

but i never said i was a good dps

so

[eternal marlin]

hey all, i just got to 35% haste without buffs, am i good to swap to into the fray? or should i stick with heavy reprecussions?

[jagged pier]

whatever you are comfortable with

[eternal marlin]

well here is the thing, i dont know much about prot warr as this is my first time playing it

[jagged pier]

then stay HR until more comfrotable

[eternal marlin]

people have said before to get 35-40% haste and then use it

[jagged pier]

its not a one fix

u still need to pay attention to SB with ITF even at those haste levels

[eternal marlin]

with 35% and into the frey i dont think i get perma uptime on shield block

[jagged pier]

with HR u can just forget about needing to think about it

[sharp gale]

You need to grief

[molten gorge]

at this point I dare not even do Mythic as a tank, cause I've only done it as Arms as well , think I'd end up griefing haha

[sharp gale]

I played colossus

[jagged pier]

mythic as a tank is jokes easy u can just pump damage

[sharp gale]

You need to grief + short kill timer ofc

[graceful kite]

yea im not sure if you need def stance for mythic until later bosses

i tried tanking without block up and it was still fine

[jagged pier]

but its more damage

[molten gorge]

Mmm fair, have never tried, only done heroic as tank, tho that was chilling more so than dps'ing tbh

[jagged pier]

well yer thats where im struggling with stuff actually kills me and im also calling placing markers etc for the raid at the same time as well as trying to do a dps rotation. as tank it wasnt as hard just taunt when u need and afk calling

ill get there

1 day and be a half decent dps

[eternal marlin]

is the 2 best embelishments for warr the duskthread and dawnthread for the vers and crit above 80%, or should i be looking at some other ones?

[jagged pier]

pick which ither stat u like and run with it

[eternal marlin]

got one of each atm, but not sure if thats good.

[jagged pier]

thats not as good as double of one of them

so u just pick your favourite

and double it up

[fast oracle]

how do you get two?

I didn't see either in the list for crafting my weapon

[jagged pier]

because it doesnt go on wep

[eternal marlin]

got one on my shield, and one on my wrists

[fast oracle]

ah wrists

got it

[strong forum]

Fakin fury

Ruining everything

[jagged pier]

yah was gunna get a good log on queen this week but my healers didnt heal me once in inter so died to wrest didnt even get eaten

lets forgor i could have pressed something to live

tbf im not that bad i know around the health imma die at 20% of the time its like a 100k over kill or somthing

just tank brain going do i need to press something, but need the habit of a dps to press it anyways

[strong forum]

Smh

[sharp gale]

you need to teach me the way on queen, i can't find dps (i never played fury) and things dies so quickly

[jagged pier]

press buttons on adds

[sharp gale]

and my brain was rottin because we tried for 30 min to "boost" 5 guild members to see if we can boost

[sharp gale]

they die in 1 sec bladestorm deals 1 tick

[strong forum]

Idk I just send stuff on cd, then alternate stuff for webs, then send on 2nd platform and send again on 1st adds in p3

If you want good parse you need to pad on the bridge adds

[graceful kite]

queen logs are cursed

[strong forum]

Yeah

[graceful kite]

we have 4 rets in raid and a small raid

theyre so happy discussing who freedoms who

[sharp gale]

okok, ye on p2 i was going straight to the shielded add since we were training to boost, i should pad on these little cute spiders

[strong forum]

Dunno about "should"

You should do effective dmg where it matters

[graceful kite]

are roar nerfs reverted on ptr

or just not included in latest notes

[strong forum]

The roar nerfs are in. 5

[alpine storm]

is it worth going over the 30% haste from secondaries threshold as prot?

[heavy sparrow]

I'm in a key GB +8 rn

[sharp gale]

i did some keys with roar, i don't know what to think about it

[heavy sparrow]

streaming rn

come join

[strong forum]

Yes

[rough fiber]

Guys, yesterday we killed Mythic Rasha'nan, as a prot warrior progressing to Ovi'nax, seeing 5 logs and having my Raid leader asking how's my BDK gear at... Any tips for this boss as a Prot warrior? Seems tough but I think is manageable...

I think hero talents are no doubt, mountain thane... But anything else?

[sharp gale]

F

maybe you will 3 tanks it just because you don't have 2 mass grab

[fast oracle]

get real good at communicating with your other tank, work on positioning to contribute stuns/interrupts on worms/parasites

hitting a shockwave on a group of parasites when they spawn really helps the DPS out

[rough fiber]

Yeah... Mythic+ build pretty much...

[fast oracle]

it's also the only way to interrupt their infest cast

but i've found with my group they tend to drop them pretty fast if they can keep them grouped

[sharp gale]

on the 5 logs only 1 they 2 tank the boss with a prot, maybe just focus on that one to see what they do

[rough fiber]

Will try today with some utility build, giving up some damage

[graceful kite]

what do you mean by that btw

how do you get out

[fast oracle]

also my healers tell me they like when the tanks call their taunts out loud and don't just rely on WAs because they like to know when to heal

might just be my group though idk

[graceful kite]

wdym call out taunts

am I out of the loop of tanking

[sharp gale]

you don't need wa to know when to heal, you have the debuff = heal tank or wipe

[graceful kite]

and why need a wa for taunts

[fast oracle]

like I said, could just be my group, but they say it helps when the tanks call it

[graceful kite]

for what reason

like to put stuff on active tank?

[sharp gale]

you need specific healing care just to tank melees ?

[fast oracle]

please don't ask me to understand how healers work. I play a 0 int class because I am a 0 int person

I hit things with a shield until they die

sometimes there's lightning

[ionic fern]

What type of cursed healers do you run with..

[graceful kite]

Its just they every frame default and addons has stuff to track a person who holds aggro and debuffs to heal

[fast oracle]

I didn't ask so I can't explain

[graceful kite]

I dont get why would you need to call things out

[ionic fern]

Okay,tell them "no.".

You're welcome.

[fast oracle]

we did it when I was learning the fight and it just kind of became a habit

[marble night]

Can the targeted frontal from NW 1st boss be reflected?

[graceful kite]

we actually had a healer who said he wont dispel debuffs at queen intermission because he cant be bothered to check it

and I still dont get it cuz you know

its a debuff on raidframes

[sharp gale]

you can block it

[sweet summit]

with spell block*

[sharp gale]

yes with spell block

[marble night]

Great

[graceful kite]

never hurts to also send reflect

[marble night]

Sometimes I intervene folks who aren’t close and get clipped

[graceful kite]

free dr

[woeful trellis]

I normally have little space between boss and last greenshit, so i intervene instantly the target from spit and move through boss again. But if they stand wide sr will do the job

[sharp gale]

and when you dont have Spell block, just SR you will never die from that

[graceful kite]

you can send whatever you want that boss doesnt do damage to us

1 tank ability and its a blockable melee attack

actually it doesnt do damage at all with pwar in a group...

[sharp gale]

and a dps/healer targeting ability will not kill a tank

[marble night]

On the subject of intervene, does intervene not do a charge if the target is close to you? I have been super confused by certain intervenes I’ve done before

Seen the spell go on CD but no charge towards the target

[sharp gale]

you can always intervene, it's not like charge

[vague abyss]

im... a bit lost, apparently Sikran Endless Arsenal is a bis raid trinket according to wowhead but.... i have shadow-binding ritual knife and concotion of death and they sim higher.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vNVJSgtFfLZ6kpwPUC7YyH

[molten gorge]

feels apt

[vague abyss]

basically my destruction warlock, i literally press my buttons and i top dps, wdym you cant do it???

[barren belfry]

do we even press whirlwind?

[graceful kite]

no

[sharp gale]

"i can't dps because of my stats"

[vague abyss]

no really, thunder clap is our whirlwind

[barren belfry]

kk just for actionbar optimizatioons , thx

[sharp gale]

would you guys be mad if colossus replaces thunderclap by whirlwind ?

[near patio]

question: whats more important shield or weapon? because of craft 636, could craft only 1 item 636 right now

[vague abyss]

i would say shield, considering how much of a deal block is for us

[barren belfry]

pörobably shile def whise

[near patio]

but dmg whise its weap?

idk about the dmg scaling tbh

[vague abyss]

but sword would be close second

[near patio]

dead tank cant deal dmg so its shield ig

[vague abyss]

^ this, dead tank does 0 dps

[graceful kite]

you can sim crafts on raidbots

[near patio]

good point forgot about that

thx

[vague abyss]

how? you add it like a "custom item" i guess?

oh nvm, i guess is in the droptimizer

[sharp gale]

top gear

[graceful kite]

droptimizer has an option for crafts

[vague abyss]

but how you add the embellishment in that case?

[sharp gale]

like any items in top gear

[vague abyss]

ooooooh

thanks 😄

[sharp gale]

I think I will recraft put an embellish on my weapon, it will be a long time before I do something else

[woeful trellis]

Did the same, crafted belt yesterday and removed it from wpn

[ebon geyser]

dahell is this saved unsaved vip spam in services what does that mean

[graceful kite]

quit /5 channel

[strong forum]

Unsaved means the raiders in the boost are also eligible to loot, meaning the boost itself will drop items like normal

[graceful kite]

its specifically for advertisement of carries

[strong forum]

Saved means the boosters have already killed the bosses this week meaning the only loot that can drop is from the boostees aka alot less likely to have multiple items drop

Vip means the buyer gets priority to loot

[cedar kite]

vip also used to refer to when there is only one buyer for each tier and/or armor type

[strong forum]

Ye

[ebon geyser]

ty, im not into this types of things but i guess ppl pay for 8/8 hc and just happy to loot roll i guess

[tribal wharf]

7 tier 8 delves today, 3 of which wont be bountiful

[cedar kite]

ppl pay for alot of stuff in this game

[tribal wharf]

ugh, someone get on hunter so they can shoot me now

and i dont have to do them

[cedar kite]

Delve boosts, raid boost, m+ boost, Tmog run boosts, lich king lockout, etc

[ebon geyser]

I thought that type of things where banble offenses

[tribal wharf]

for irl money yes

for ingame gold, no

[ebon geyser]

No wonder the spam lol

[tribal wharf]

you can buy whatever the fuck you want with in game gold

[graceful kite]

well some of those ads are for real money

[ebon geyser]

Thanks for the clarification lol

[graceful kite]

but they usually stand out

[tulip oar]

One of the add-ons actually ignores them in the group finder.

[ebon geyser]

@strong forum u killed queen yet

[muted pumice]

Is pull 12 safe to do in pugs in +11 keys? I feel like they would fck my 621 tank up

[tulip oar]

That's a lot of kicks, not to mention the shadow flame slashes.

It would most likely fold your tank unless it's a lust pull, and prio dam is dropped on the stacking buff guy.

[native girder]

definitely not in pug

[graceful kite]

Do 10 and half of 11 together do 14 and 15 together scrap 12

[hoary pivot]

you can reset the stacks rather easily though right?

any soothe or long-ish single target stun should do the trick

[tulip oar]

Soothe, stun and walk away.

[strong forum]

There's like 10 guilds who killed queen

Breh

[tulip oar]

Lots of tricks, but it's more the casters that need kicks and the shadow flame slash that's gonna kill. Killing the big guy let's your tank stay in the fight without kiting.

[molten gorge]

Grats on top 10

[dark barn]

What is the best status combination to freeze ovinax trinket?

[violet ginkgo]

Just go 15-15

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-well-gif-8228937

[jagged pier]

[unkempt hazel]

then there's us still struggling in hc

[jagged pier]

u dont tell him that

🤫

[fluid widget]

I get to finally visit mythic this week

Very excited

[strong forum]

You'll be let down, first 4 bosses are easier than queen HC

[molten gorge]

real

actually maybe not easier, but definitely no harder

all very killable

[fluid widget]

That brings my hope

My team likes to die to silly

[strong forum]

Real

[molten gorge]

if they have the power of 2 human arms, you'll be fine

altho saying that, people apparently struggle with heroic so idk

maybe it's hopeless

[jagged pier]

ppl struggle with normal

theres normal prog guilds out there

[molten gorge]

that is wild

I'm sort of jealous tbh, like i'd quit the game if that was where I was at

I'd find zero joy in playing

[jagged pier]

they having more fun than most of us

[molten gorge]

unironically must be nice just vibing, wiping in normal

ya

legit lmao

[nocturne vine]

Anyone can direct me to some fuide on how to male colossus perform in raid?

[vale karma]

if you wanna grab a bear and chill with your mates in normal, hats off to you

that's the real way to play wow imo anyways

[tribal wharf]

ya, in that sense i sort of wish keys were more like collective deaths based rather than timer

and then if the team collectively dies 25 times

fuck you, you guys suck, ejected no loot, depleted key

[molten gorge]

I no meme miss the Legion way of depleting cause it was too funny

just womp womp

your key is basically bricked that week

unlucky

[tribal wharf]

depleting is a very very strong positive mechanic

makes people give a shit to try

without it i think key players would be way lazier

to me its the timer that sucks

[molten gorge]

Ya the -15s rn is brutal for sure

[tribal wharf]

what if im doing threads and then i have to take GIGANTIC SHIT, RIGHT NOW

it cannot wait

or something similiar

[fathom robin]

Fill pants

[spark cedar]

[tribal wharf]

thats what i mean, there has to be a pause game or rewind feature at this point or no timer

[fervent nymph]

Hey all I am new to prot war, do we have a list of items that we should be crafting at first?

[tribal wharf]

i dont mind having to try but timer is absolutely fucking maddening

[tropic tangle]

I mean if that happens, you say sorry boys, I'm about to shit my pants and then alt f4

[molten gorge]

if you're not willing to shit your pants

you don't want it badly enough

fucking casuals

[tribal wharf]

i think you should be able to pause 3 times for up to 3 minutes each time

minimum 30 seconds pause

[tropic tangle]

yogi, you ever played dota 2?

[tribal wharf]

league

but ya

i mean, same game really

Kappa

[tropic tangle]

dunno bout league, but the pause mech in dota 2 is so fuckking annoying and stupid

because you pause, and people are always going to spam unpause

[tribal wharf]

its bad in those games cuz its 2 teams that are pvp

i dont think it would be an issue in keys

[tropic tangle]

I mean true, but you'll have people who want to unpause so the timer runs and people give up so they can just go next

[tribal wharf]

gives me 30 seconds to type out some shit about the boss

[tropic tangle]

especially if the run is questionable

[molten gorge]

nice bait

[tribal wharf]

and when i read it doesnt read like .... "OK GUYS u have to moje e bss wayw fom cirlc or he hels 231323131414q3eqqe3reed qa"

cuz im RACING to type it

i dont WANT to have to type that shit out, but often i do and i have to make multiple route notes

early league, before season 6 ish, was really really really good game

2-5 fucking goated as hell

thresh and lucian, that was the coolest thing ever
i'm a sucker for edgy shit

[molten gorge]

[unkempt hazel]

we're having a hard time one egg boss

[strong forum]

Egg boss is fun but also not fun

Can't make a single mistake with eggs

[tribal wharf]

like, obviously, you dont need pause in raid

cuz 100% of time you arent fighting the boss in combat, is this

jokes aside, wouldnt allow pauses mid combat

or it would have to be all 5 players agree to pause

[left beacon]

question on siege last boss, who should do the turrets? I guess anyone can, but I feel like the tank needs to be on the tentacle to make sure it doesn't do its aoe slam, not sure when that starts going off kindof strange

[tribal wharf]

low dps

not u or healer for obvious reasons

[left beacon]

Yea people just start charging and out range the healer at the part in pugs get really messy

[strong forum]

Tank can do it if you're fast to get to the platform

[tribal wharf]

just someone that will get in, fire, leave cannon really

[strong forum]

Shoot -> leave -> leap

Should be good enough

[tribal wharf]

its more about the speed of doing those 3 acts in succesion, but if everyones fast, just the lowest dps

[strong forum]

Yeah

[tribal wharf]

cuz the high dps kills the alive tentacl

[left beacon]

Yea i can do it as tank and have but no 1 got in it last time and i was out of position and went for it, and then by the time i got to the tentacle it was aoeing

[sweet summit]

is there a downside to having one dps sit on gripping btw?

[left beacon]

I guess the aoe slam would just keep going off

and that dot is brutal on higher keys

or keep going off for logner

longer

[tribal wharf]

slam hurts and its difficult to solo tank stop all the slams

can be done with stuns fears

but its not good for mental health

was the way in bfa

[left beacon]

you can stop the slams?

[tribal wharf]

stuns, yes

[left beacon]

reallly?

[tribal wharf]

it stops it for the duration of the stun

they recast but it means less of them get off in total

[left beacon]

Hmmm i never knew u could do that, I guess you could maybe shave off 1 slam since the DR would hit pretty quick

[tribal wharf]

3 times per target, due to CC diminishing return

full value, half value, 1/4 value, nothing

so, whatever stun has the longest duration, send that first, then low tier ones

[left beacon]

i never knew u could stun it, i guess that could come in handy if someone is about to die for sure

[tribal wharf]

i just stop the first 3

[strong forum]

You could stop it in bfa, can no longer right now

Unless they re-introduced it again

[molten gorge]

why were we not making the tinker bracers btw?

[tribal wharf]

i have no idea tbh, too lazy to open wow for mdt

[molten gorge]

I haven't played since they've been a thing, so no clue what the benefit even used to be

[strong forum]

Counter question

Why would we want to craft tinker bracers

[tribal wharf]

brez

[strong forum]

In SL they were used for brez

Not in DF

[tribal wharf]

for niche scenario we dont have it in group

thats about it

[strong forum]

In DF it's just an item again everyone can use

Cuz it was dumb as fuck to lock CR behind a crafted item

[molten gorge]

Well, my thinking is, it's the same amount of 2nd stat no? (or roughly) and can stack all of 1, so like all haste or crit and then get the bonus of whatever the tinker sockets give

[tribal wharf]

or if we want +1.5 X of (stat but lets be real haste or crit)

cuz only budgeted for 1 secondary

[strong forum]

Sure but we kinda want all stats

[tribal wharf]

but amped to make up for it

[molten gorge]

ya fair, are the tinker sockets just that irrelevant then?

[strong forum]

Yeah

[molten gorge]

fair enough

just looking at what to craft next

[strong forum]

It's just a healthpot

But socket

[tribal wharf]

maybe as a distant 5th crat

[strong forum]

Which shares cd with healthpot

[molten gorge]

shares CD with?

[tribal wharf]

i would do bracers

[molten gorge]

well

lmao

yeh pointless then

[lofty warren]

is it better to craft a 636 or use crests to upgrade a mythic item

[tribal wharf]

but im still struggling wtf to do with 4th

[smoky anvil]

Upgrading a myth track to 639 is cheaper on gilded.

[strong forum]

Depends on your gear pepega, but I will likely not craft 636s

[smoky anvil]

But some slots don’t have easy alternates at myth track

[strong forum]

I'll stick with my 619 bracers and 636 weapon

[tribal wharf]

im gunna get 612 615 gear i already creeping up upgrading with runeds and VS

[strong forum]

Rather use the crests on myth track gear

[tribal wharf]

so, wtf lol

[smoky anvil]

Depends on the content you’re doing and your comfort level in that content

[strong forum]

Yeah

Spending 90 crests on a 636 when I can spend 75 to get a 639 is a clear answer in my case

On some slots even less than 75

But you gotta spend 1 full weeks worth of gilded crests to draft a 636

[unkempt hazel]

even embelish?

[hoary pivot]

i think you only craft 636 as a source of "myth" items right?

[tribal wharf]

i spent entire wow token on a cross class dk appearance helmet recently

it was, i had to have it helmet

[hoary pivot]

if you dont mythic raid, it is the only source besides the vault

[tribal wharf]

wasnt an option to let it pass

[strong forum]

In my case, I crafted 636 weapon with 619 bracers for the nerubian embellish combo

[lofty warren]

75 to go to 639 ilvl seems better than 90 to go to 636

[strong forum]

Rest will be spent upgrading my myth track gear

If you dont mythic raid, yeah then probably crafting to fill out slots is a play

[unkempt hazel]

it went with vers shield

[lofty warren]

i dont myth raid. fck that

[hoary pivot]

which is most players tbf

[strong forum]

(you can pug 4/8M)

And I heavily encourage you to do so

[unkempt hazel]

gon fill the other one ig

[strong forum]

First 4 bosses offer incredibly potent loot

[smoky anvil]

Shots at mythic track neck and cloak alone

Nutty

[molten gorge]

tbh out of the first 4, the first boss might even be the hardest lol

[strong forum]

2 insane necks, 1 good ring, bis cloak, and ofc tier tokens

[molten gorge]

shield and 1h too

[strong forum]

A shield a 1h weapon, a 2h weapon, good boots

[molten gorge]

yuge value for sure

[strong forum]

Literally full set of gear from first 4

[unkempt hazel]

stonks

[smoky anvil]

Time to learn to raid tank IG

[tribal wharf]

for pugging keys, you almost have to go versa, because in the tool tip for versa without any addons, it says that it "reduces the damage you take"
simple minded puggers for keys read this and then see a tank, who is supposed to protect them, and then ?????? and then "tank you need more versa"
so if you equip the versa gear, then it puts thier minds at ease for some weird nature geographical video reason.

[smoky anvil]

You’ve inspired me to git gud

[unkempt hazel]

learn raid tanking?

good one

[strong forum]

The bosses are beyond simple to tank

[tribal wharf]

"40% versa or you cant join bro, top tank used it, u have to too"

[strong forum]

It's literally swap on 1

[unkempt hazel]

if this seasons is anything like most of df

u can almost go in blind as tank

[molten gorge]

this makes me sad that I'm currently forced to dps with my semi-pug group 🥲

[smoky anvil]

Only done raid once and the offtank managed to make it look like rocket science

[unkempt hazel]

u just get a wa

it screams when other tank gets mechanic

u taunt

gg

[tribal wharf]

i still havent wanted to tank any raids

since some time in SL

[strong forum]

I'm forced to heal on my shaman and dps on my dragon

When it's the other way around that I want to do it

Xd

[molten gorge]

lol ffs

[unkempt hazel]

I had an off tank taunt after the combo ends on sikran

🫡

[strong forum]

A classic

[tribal wharf]

between angry whispers to taunt and etc, healer whispers and not being able to communicate with them period language issues

ya, raid just not for me for tanking it

hellll no

the down side is just too big

[unkempt hazel]

ehhhh

i never rly get any of that

maybe a whisper from other tank asking who taunts first

[tribal wharf]

try lfr solo

if you want eye opener

[unkempt hazel]

I did tho

lfr, normal, a bit of heroic

[tribal wharf]

im not sure if lfr or tuesday/monday normal raiders are worse

[unkempt hazel]

fair, I dont raid those days generally

so ig that could be it

[tribal wharf]

if you go at 8 pm monday night u see some real winners

[unkempt hazel]

oh wait

r u na

[tribal wharf]

around 1 am players get better again, but its usually still degen

ya na, na raiders are nuts

[unkempt hazel]

eu folk tend to speak less I noticed

prolly often cuz no englando

[tribal wharf]

if you dont lag out, make an account on NA wow

play lfr

[unkempt hazel]

just yesterday we spent 10 mins trying to figure out who wants to do webs

cuz ppl either dont speak english or dont ever look at chat

[tribal wharf]

they're just stupid too

arrogant

[unkempt hazel]

this balance druid was quite the specimen too

straight 4 mins of asking them if they know how to do webs

finally an answer

"?"

[molten gorge]

it's a real challenge for Americans to stay silent is probably part of it also

[proud plank]

in m+ do i rotate defensives like i do on bear or do i only use a defensive for a big hit

[unkempt hazel]

lmao

[molten gorge]

yap mains over the pond

[wicked pollen]

you have shield wall every 40 so try to use that on cd

[tribal wharf]

some of them its more they are just really aggro all of the time

[proud plank]

but other than that im fine? save the other ones for tank busters?

[wicked pollen]

yeah also use demo shout on cd since its a dps increase

you can also delay shield wall for a buster in an upcoming pack

[round hearth]

Hey guys can anyone explain how the intevene on first boss of NW works

do you have to have the hero talent?

[ashen owl]

Im at 38% haste and I am getting rage starved. Rotation feels slow at times waiting for abilities to come up. Am I doing something wrong?

[jagged pier]

most likely

would have to check logs to see tho

[deft mortar]

U are colossus aren't u

[jagged pier]

shouldnt matter ither way

if u play correctly u shouldnt rage starve ither way

[unkempt hazel]

damn

im not playing correctly

got too much rage!

[deft mortar]

Drop talents frfr

[unkempt hazel]

taking off my shield

gotta make it interesting

[young gyro]

Most of the time you need a shaman to prevent yourself from being rage starved if your Colossus. I've gotten better about it as time has gone on and now its rare for me to get starved.

[bold raven]

Sorry for such a broad question, but what would you craft next? https://raider.io/characters/eu/stormscale/Ueno

[robust urchin]

Americans and Russians are the eternal yappers in pugs

I'm glad I don't even see any Americans

[bold raven]

Debating belt or wrists, wrist stats are a bit icky

[deft mortar]

Nah Russians outright don't speak

[unkempt hazel]

its kinda in the middle

they either yap or never utter a word

no in-between

[deft mortar]

Russian DK comes in pops 99% parse says no word

Never leaves through wipes etc

At the end leaves party when jobs done

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-gif-7709821

[ashen owl]

errmmm no im not. Guess I fucked myself lol

[tender reef]

Colossus feels faster too

[unkempt hazel]

did u macro ip to all ur buttons

[deft mortar]

I play colossus with Barbaric Training at low keys

1M each revenge crits

Feels insanely good

Basically can't click IP tho

That rage starved

[unkempt hazel]

just kill them b4 they kill u

the warrior way

[deft mortar]

Only enough for SB and revenge spam

[deft mortar]

Fr

[twin hill]

classic russian coinflip. either 99% parse or literally smoothbrain

[tender reef]

Truuu

[smoky anvil]

i wish u good loot n stabl connect)

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[cedar kite]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-wow-orc-im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-4862866886490737694

[deft mortar]

Funniest experience I had was this rated BG, we were getting demolished on Eye of the Storm so hard that we had like 5 players left. I checked the map and somehow we still controlled Blood Elf Tower..

Russian DK tasked with holding that base had like 12 killing blows

In a like 5v10 BG, bro just held his tower

Alone

Not typing a word in chat since being invited

[brave cliff]

Can you macro sb and ip in one macro where if you just spam that button it should do both sb and ip ?

[jagged pier]

no

[pallid quiver]

I mean technically yes, but the times you want to press both Block and IP at the same time are very infrequent, so it would just be an extra button somewhere you press very rarely

[inner wren]

U intervene the retch target and stand on them in melee range

U take the retch damage and they don’t

[obsidian frost]

Anything special I can do with flamerenders in GB? Dot is nasty...is it pretty much be fast AF with my reflects?

[inner wren]

Having enemy spell cds visible helps

[obsidian frost]

Yeah I try to watch them just sucks when the CD is coming up so I pre cast reflect and they don't use it 😭

[fiery gale]

lmao

I never really played plate and now my warr looks like shit, is there some nice set i can get in an hour or so?

[sweet summit]

just buy some random pvp set

[strong forum]

You can buy firelands set literally for gold

From the old valor vendors

Same with the lfr set from icc if I remember correctly

[jagged pier]

just go to brf on all alts

be done with it in like 2 mins

ez

[strong forum]

Or the Halloween set from this month xd

Extra lazy

[drifting dagger]

Ya my warrior is in mostly black hand gear from BRF would recommend

[pallid quiver]

Can also go to old Dalaran and buy some of the PvP sets iirc for gold

or were they raid sets

Something you could buy there

[soft aspen]

so nw 1st and 3rd boss , intervene usage is good, any other bosses you guys do know for?

[hoary steppe]

Was it so that you can spell block every liquefy cast?

[lone current]

The fixate on 3rd boss?

[fiery gale]

yesterday I tanked a 7 COT with my 588 warr and it didnt even feel dangerous

[soft aspen]

yes

is there any other bosses where intervene value is just op like those two?

[deft mortar]

I can't stand doing lower keys

At higher runs, DPS will yell at you for not pulling multiple packs (for good reason)

At low keys it's the other way around

[lone current]

Last boss mists intervene the fixated person as well, helps to keep the mobs grouped since they can stand still

[carmine rapids]

Does anyone know what the colossus talent no stranger to pain does? It says increase the total amount of damage prevented by 20% but nothing in the tool tip changes.

[strong forum]

The tooltip is bad

The tooltip just tells you the cap of ignore pain

Not how much a press of ignore pain gives

Basically it just makes it so, for the sake of argument, instead of 100k from IP per use, you get 120k

That's it

[smoky anvil]

Vene the fixate, shockwave the adds, leap the mind link

Big helps for the bois

[soft aspen]

amazing, thanks

so any fixate stuff its worth

[grim grotto]

even when its not adviced, is it possible to do a macro for 2 casts @ cursor for my spear and ravager ?

the 2nd cast in the list is always not working

[jagged pier]

no

they are both on the gcd so u cant macro them together

[grim grotto]

just on the same macro

double click is fine

[strong forum]

You can make a cast sequence macro

But 2 gcds on the same generic /cast /cast macro doesn't work

[unique wyvern]

I read somewhere that bracers are a good craft due to the poor loot pool for them but I'm really not sure

[strong forum]

They're a low stat budget item so they're favoured slots to craft on

Boots and belt are in a similar category

Cloak this time around not so much because of the cloak from rashanan being extremely attractive

[inner wren]

What’s a guy gotta do for the neck around here

Still rocking the stupid pvp neck

[strong forum]

Took 4 myth rashanan kills before I saw any, and I mean any necks in my bags that aren't from delves

Meanwhile my alt war has both rashanan and the very rare neck

My shaman hc very rare neck and dragon myth rashanan (iirc)

[remote tusk]

There's only two cloaks in the raid

[pallid quiver]

I really cannot kill Sikran without dying at least once

phase lunger hurt after two exposes

[carmine rapids]

So it affects the absorb shield amount, got it! Thanks!

[strong forum]

Consider spamming "taunt" in say chat

Sometimes helps me with pugs

[pallid quiver]

My main problem is that they're doing the mech perfectly

and then they just don't once

[tardy abyss]

But the addon already yells "taunt" and thats literally all you have to do in most fights

[pallid quiver]

don't tell tanks that, then they start taunting at random, like a tank I had today on Blood boy

and then he yelled at me for not taunting back when he rammed the beam onto our group aggressively

[strong forum]

On HC you can eat phase lunge once natty, the 2nd one you need the cds for

I think

I could be confusing it with LFR tho

Cuz I once had to survive 3 stacks

[pallid quiver]

HC will barely kill you, iirc

[strong forum]

Don't remember where

[orchid crest]

What should I do against the small slowing adds in the last room of ara kara?

[pallid quiver]

Normal 100%

[tardy abyss]

silken court you can have lots of stacks

[strong forum]

Leap/avatar

[pallid quiver]

I've gotten up to 4 on Normal

[inner wren]

Hero I can definitely a double expose phase lunge and live

Although any more after that and I’m donezo

[pallid quiver]

With CDs or no

Since we were talking just taking the phase lunge, no CDs, to the face

[brittle owl]

@cold wren

[cold wren]

[brittle owl]

get pinged knt

[sharp steppe]

Hello guys! I geared my pwar a bit more and having a lot of fun again hehe
maybe someone could have a look at this if there is something bad going on
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jY4HWJbfVm3w7pG1#fight=last&type=summary&source=140
ty ❤️

[halcyon blade]

Hey all, I have a general stat question. I know the priority for Prot is Haste>Crit=Vers>Mast. I was looking at my stats last night and somehow have 31%Haste, 18% Crit, 22%Mast and a whopping 1% Vers. It seems like most of the mastery is coming from set pieces, but is this okay? Should I be trying to drop some Crit for Vers or will that really not make much difference? I started playing at the very end of DF so this is my first toon gearing and pushing keys/raids etc. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/laughing-skull/kronotek for reference if that helps.

[warm plinth]

Nah you're alright. More secondaries is better than specific ones. You can steer more toward haste/crit or haste/vers as you upgrade but it's not anything that'll affect your ability to play the game.

[brittle owl]

bigger numbers always better

[graceful kite]

I'd say your defensives used amount is low but considering you didn't take damage who cares

[brittle owl]

@strong forum i think this is a pinworthy suggestion if i do say so myself

[warm plinth]

I can take a look when I get back to my desk in a few

[rotund moon]

does block value matter?

[chilly brook]

yes....

[fervent nymph]

Does anybody know what is recommended to craft first using your sparks?

[chilly brook]

There's a reason shield>all

[high wyvern]

any reason hes running colossus in City instead of Thane? Prio damage?

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's our most important defensive stat but the only way you obtain it is a higher ilevel shield

[barren belfry]

quickly tell me embelishments please

1 ascendance and 1 dusk lining?

[hasty lintel]

do we ever swap from defensive stance while doing high keys?

[barren belfry]

no

[fervent widget]

why dont we play ravager for m+

[hardy snow]

yes

use def stance as defensive CD, use when needed

[hardy snow]

we do

[hasty lintel]

so at base even for a +12, you'd run in battle stance until otherwise necessary?

[nocturne spindle]

in large pulls d stance

any boss tank buster d stance

its honestly mostly bosses and like

the big dangerous AOE mobs you can safely b in B stance

[keen leaf]

u just explained that lol

[nocturne spindle]

i mean as a CD makes it sound like only for busters and stuff

[hasty lintel]

mb i asked for reassurance when i get 2 complete opposite replies bro

silly me

[nocturne spindle]

the 1.5% damage isnt really worth it on big pulls

[keen leaf]

ur not using enough CDs then

[grim grotto]

reached 80 first time this addon and asking myself if i can upgrade the epics without risking of huge wastes , or do i have to wait for some special items ?

[hardy snow]

for busters and stuff... that needs more defensivness

[keen leaf]

wasnt talking to you, dont get so.... wait for it.... defensive 😂

[hasty lintel]

so i should swap to b stance now?

[keen leaf]

if u dont feel like ur in danger b stance, if u do feel in danger, defense, thats the best way to "dumb it down"

im so proud of that dad pun btw.

[hasty lintel]

im watching joker play it rn

obviously he aint prot warr main or anything

but it seems like unless you really know ur shit

b stance bonus doesnt really do anything in the long run

[wicked pollen]

hm

3% crit is not a lot

[keen leaf]

I stay in defense a lot personally, just for ease of play, i usually only battle in low keys

but thats not the recommended way 😛

[hasty lintel]

ill just do bigger pulls so dps can dps more to make up for my 3% crit loss

[sharp steppe]

dont worry, i have time

[high wyvern]

if u feel like u never gonna die play ravager for extra DPS. but cheat death talent is also insanely good.

remember if the tank die even once, the key probs bricked

[sharp steppe]

yeah thats gonna get fixed once i do normal keys

[hasty lintel]

whats the cheat death talent called

[keen leaf]

battle scarred vet

middle capstone

[high wyvern]

you choose between battle scarred vet (BSV) or ravager

[hasty lintel]

oh thats really strong

[high wyvern]

3 min cheat death is pretty good

[keen leaf]

I take BSV over ravager personally as well

[wicked pollen]

god

i love bsv

[high wyvern]

but if u doing a +8 and never gonna die, then might as well take ravager

[wicked pollen]

@lusty grotto

[keen leaf]

it has saved me lots

[high wyvern]

ofc if u never make mistakes and ur healer is perfect u dont need it but, its a good insurance

[mint shadow]

i feel like tank dying is never the issue, but im only doing like 8-10s

[high wyvern]

tank die = key bricked

[sharp steppe]

it didnt really feel like i need BSV even with 590 in +10s honestly

[mint shadow]

it's always dps standing in stuff or failing mechanics

[hasty lintel]

590 as in ilvl?

[sharp steppe]

ye

[keen leaf]

if tank dies its always the healers fault

[hasty lintel]

how tf u getting in at that ilvl

[twin hill]

First season on prot (Mr. Meta Slave) and BSV is definitely good as training wheels I think. Let’s you make mistakes without wiping out the party

[sharp steppe]

was my key

[hasty lintel]

i dont even decline people but id be so fast here

makes sense

[high wyvern]

i'd say if ur new, just save urself the headache and take BSV and never die

[mint shadow]

you should decline ppl imo, since there's a 5 app max, let's them list for something else

[strong forum]

Didn't think of that, yeah I'll keep it in mind for future additions!!

[sharp steppe]

👋 hello nome

[strong forum]

Hello purple boi

[hasty lintel]

also, into the fray or heavy repercussion

[high wyvern]

Heavy until ur like 30% haste iirc

Then you can take into the fray

[sharp steppe]

i changed colors

[high wyvern]

I forgot if it was 30 or 35% haste

[strong forum]

Get ready to change colours again, the prot pallying is happening

[high wyvern]

But people just take into the fray anyway cuz it feels better

[toxic pewter]

wait is prot pally the new meta

[strong forum]

Technically around 20-25k haste

[toxic pewter]

i knew we would see another df s1 situation LOL

history truly does repeat itself

[strong forum]

I'm predicting it

Since basically season start

[sharp steppe]

wont swap, too happy with pwar

[high wyvern]

If ur take heavy repercussion im pretty sure ur shield block up time is like 150% lmao

[toxic pewter]

ya I agree same here

[strong forum]

I take HR

Cuz I cba having to deal with micro managing SB to avoid 1-6s gaps of SB

Just for 6% potential aoe dps

Up to you

[mint shadow]

is there a cap on SB? Like as in it won't go above X seconds?

[strong forum]

3x SB duration

Aka 24seconds with ED talented

18s without ED

Bolster bypasses that rule

[mint shadow]

got it, thanks

[strong forum]

To avoid waste

[high wyvern]

I would never take into the fray until ur at least 25-30% haste

[strong forum]

I ran ITF for the first 2 weeks, but the affixes since then aren't kind in regards to SB uptime and generally only have 15k haste, so I have encountered block downtime

[hasty lintel]

im 28%

[strong forum]

So I cba'd and just slammed in HR

[hasty lintel]

wearing fury gear 🧌

tbh only thing that makes me reconsider tanking on prot

is shield block

feels so odd being completely squish if its down even 2s

[strong forum]

I still do more dmg than anyone else anyway

So nothing lost

[high wyvern]

Heavy Rep - easier, shield block always up, good QoL

Into the Fray - gotta manage ur shield block cd, cant just spam it. But higher damage. But if u run out of shield block and get melee to death im reporting u

[sharp steppe]

@strong forum how does BSV actually work? if i have 1k HP and the hit does 900 dmg in theory do 100 of the 900 damage get reduced by BSV already? and is it actually good now or kinda sus still?

[strong forum]

Wotn

[high wyvern]

Im a lazy pos so i run BSV and heavy repercussion

[strong forum]

Literally like wotn

So the part that would be below the 30% threshold that would already be mitigated

[sharp steppe]

okay perfect, thats what i wanted to know hehe

thanks ❤️

[strong forum]

The bigger problem is getting bsv

Cuz the only way to get bsv, is by getting squishier

[obsidian frost]

Wait Shaene outside the DH discord?! Wut

[strong forum]

So I just, don't take it

[sharp steppe]

yeah i havent reached 30% a single time in a key

[sharp steppe]

changed color hehe, dont tell them

[deft mortar]

Bro the 0.1% cutoff went up 140 ratings in 3 days

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[deft mortar]

Really hope this shit stabilizes once all is geared up

[slender wedge]

Do we have any skill to clean affix from us?

[strong forum]

Impending victory is my recommendation

[sharp steppe]

cutoff will stabilize in like 2 months

[deft mortar]

Thank God.

[strong forum]

You can also talent into Bitter Immunity

[deft mortar]

Save Bitter Immunity for when your healer etc. has no CDs tho

[strong forum]

And by stabilise he means it'll only grow by like 20-50 per week

[deft mortar]

Phatt CD on that thang

[strong forum]

It won't ever stagnate

[sharp steppe]

[deft mortar]

And than shoot up 250 on last 3 days

[strong forum]

Well yeah

They nerfed the dungeons and affix

Ofc it's gonna rise if keys get easier and classes stronger

[deft mortar]

Highest keys I've seen in pugs are 13s

[high wyvern]

Fav and less fav dungeon this season?

[strong forum]

Yes and yes

[sharp steppe]

literally what i thought

[acoustic prawn]

Always the case right? Season 1 of an expansion is the most difficult. You have less gear and Blizzard intentionally gates harder to keep people from speeding through all the content.

[deft mortar]

And 2.5k players can't handle the idea of 2-3 packs so I will have to run with my pres

[high wyvern]

I really dont like NW this season. Im avoiding it like the plaque

[strong forum]

Ara kara is chill, mists is chill

NW might be less cancer, city I haven't done in 3 weeks

Stonevault is turbo chill as pwar

[deft mortar]

NW post nerf pretty chill imo

[lusty grotto]

ive been taking a break, peacing out of the whole streamer brown-nosing and aggregate site garbage

[high wyvern]

Stonevault is awful in pugs

[marsh scroll]

i need a build for M+ 7++

[strong forum]

Always the case

[high wyvern]

2nd boss sucks in pug

[acoustic prawn]

NW post nerf is chill, I had my top DPS in that dungeon. The spears dont stack so you use one per boss. Also the abomb damage aura is WAY less for the third boss.

[deft mortar]

Not rly everyone knows that boss at this point

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[tribal wharf]

i've ran threads as a low key so many times now i could probably just jump into a threads 10 and maybe time it, complete for sure

ksm key,

[deft mortar]

If big problem get a DK in there

And a resto for additional interrupt

[lusty grotto]

you can do it yogi!

[deft mortar]

Or MW for circle and aoe stun

[quaint fossil]

I have trouble getting threat in M+ what am I missing

[strong forum]

Damage

Usually

[high wyvern]

It might sounds weird but siege after last boss nerfs are chill

[tribal wharf]

ripbozo to anyone who wanted to download my +20 video and didnt

[lusty grotto]

a better weapon as well

[strong forum]

Threat is a direct result of dealing damage

Nothing more nothing less

[tribal wharf]

the log still exists but the video file and youtube account for it no longer exist

[deft mortar]

Try to open with a large dmg aoe spell immediately

Because your dps will

[high wyvern]

More damage. You can try tabbing around shield slam multiple mobs instead of shield slam only one mob

[deft mortar]

They won't even let you position xd

[lusty grotto]

SAL

I see you

[final mist]

Speaking of threat Nom, I had the most threatening aura pwar in a key i did the other day on my disc priest

Imagine doing a 7 GB and seeing a pwar with 30 seconds of SB uptime by the end of the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

what have you been doing sal

[strong forum]

What a fuckin legend

[final mist]

Raiding as Fury and arms and not tanking

[high wyvern]

Shield block is overrated

[tribal wharf]

hes one of them haste mastery dudes i spoke of

[high wyvern]

Just tank the damage raw

[lusty grotto]

same same

well im tanking keys but thats it

[final mist]

Gotta say, spamming flash heal as a disc priest is my favorite thing to do

[tribal wharf]

dont need shield block if u have 30k mastery

[final mist]

10/10 experience

[lusty grotto]

ok now fr

ill be back later this week

[deft mortar]

Wish Blizz published official cutoffs

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[tribal wharf]

i know its bad but i like the " " " 12 minute cd " " " (cant think of name version of Hpriest

[sharp steppe]

For what? It only matters at the end of the season lol

[tribal wharf]

its basically pwar for priest :S

[deft mortar]

Keep it live throughout

[strong forum]

They do, 2 weeks before the season ends.

[deft mortar]

Nice nice

[tribal wharf]

you cast ST heals you get st heal cds, same for AOE and every time u do it, it empowers that ability which is basically our indom but as an active

[deft mortar]

We'll not have like the bis specs but still good chance I think. Planning on Prot Warr, Ret, Frost/Uh, Resto Druid, and a pug Ele We also are weekend warriors with jobs/families tho.

[plush brook]

Am I stupid if I go no Ravager?

[lofty warren]

Parrygodx van you tell blizz to remove the +7 affix nobody likes it

[tribal wharf]

i like that one alot

[deft mortar]

Idk like proba 5% of your overall and big rage

Big rage during big pull

Goes hard imo

I miss it giving parry

[strong forum]

You mean when it was dogshit?

[plush brook]

The thing is that I want to play the build YoDa recommends, but I feel so squishy without the stamina nodes :/

[strong forum]

The build yoda plays is special

[plush brook]

Not sure how to fit in ItF, Bolster and Enduring Alacrity without skipping Ravager

[strong forum]

In all ways of the meanings

[deft mortar]

It was? Always had it, don't even remember

Was it like SL talents

[strong forum]

It was absolute ass until they buffed it's dmg by like 6000%

[deft mortar]

Lol

[strong forum]

For SL

[deft mortar]

Avg Blizz rollout and balancing

[wicked pollen]

same been practicing aug

[deft mortar]

I probably picked smth else in the tree back then

[tribal wharf]

shadowlands classic when

[strong forum]

In bfa it gave 35% parry and a literal dmg loss of a gcd

[deft mortar]

Kekw

[strong forum]

At the cost of anger management

iirc

[deft mortar]

All that parry didn't even give a free Revenge proc or smth

Then again it's capped..

[strong forum]

You can get all that, if you drop bloodsurge and bsv

[plush brook]

Ah, is Bloodsurge droppable?

[strong forum]

Yes

It's a great point, but the only droppable point

Dropping other things has bigger, worse, impact

[high wyvern]

Hey hey

[long bronze]

cloud man are you saying HR is only 6% loss in AOE? I've not tried an AOE sim yet, but sim says nearly -50k going ITF to HR for ST for me

[strong forum]

Okay

[wicked pollen]

🐑

[strong forum]

And how much is that in %

[plush brook]

Ok, if we just put it like this, with these secondaries, is it even worth going for ItF?

[real fossil]

what are you dropping bloodsurge for? to get bsv and keep ravager?

[plush brook]

Im 625

[strong forum]

To get bolster

[long bronze]

6.7%

[strong forum]

🙂

[real fossil]

[strong forum]

Sounds almost like I know my numbers eh

[high wyvern]

Yoda build is still goated okay

[strong forum]

[wicked pollen]

@lusty grotto peep my rank 1

[high wyvern]

Thunderous roar, BSV, ravager

[long bronze]

I wasn't questioning I was clarifying I swear

[wicked pollen]

you need to be banned

[toxic pewter]

that one gross build

[wicked pollen]

for typing that

[prime flax]

is there a trinket list sticky or anything?

[plush brook]

Yeah but dont you need more haste to make that smooth? I have 22%

[lime mantle]

Can I ask how exactly?
I gave it a quick look once, because it looked 'neat' but I didn't give it much thought because yoda's gear, skill and specially group condition heavily how/what he plays.

Did he write a guide or similar about it? If so does anyone have a link or similar?

[strong forum]

I wouldn't go ITF with that no

[high wyvern]

Dont play yoda build lol

[plush brook]

Ok, then Ill stick to HR 8-)

[real fossil]

if you want to drop a point in the bottom champ's spear talents, you keep the rage one right?

[high wyvern]

Yoda is a very good player but his build is sus

[real fossil]

piercing challenge vs champion's might

[high wyvern]

You can follow Kira build though

[strong forum]

He's dropping 6-8% DR on prio target, 8% stam 8% armor and 2% haste to get a fake cheat death and play ITF, which also grants haste BTW

His choice to play roar is fine, the 45sec roar is alot easier to play but a decent dmg loss

[long bronze]

there's no way yoda doesn't play these burnt builds just to mess with people

[wicked pollen]

@lusty grotto

[high wyvern]

Yoda doesnt play Enduring Alacrity which is criminal

[strong forum]

Also playing 2x shieldwall is almost never the play as you lose out on 26.67% rage generation on shield slam

And 40sec CD on shield wall

[strong forum]

Just as cooked

[lime mantle]

Of all the things, ITF is the one I didn't question "big haste+more haste=more better gooder"
I assume the idea is that he has shieldwall for "every" pull and shieldwall grants avatar.

[real fossil]

cuz of double stam points and 2xsheild wall?

[strong forum]

They're high ranked cuz they play alot and with the right people, not because they're god tier at playing the class themselves or come up with "revolutionary builds"

[fiery gale]

When I got KSH on a different chat,

[toxic pewter]

the double shield wall talent has been discussed for literaly years now and is a cornerstone of a fotm prot warr build imo

[fiery gale]

char, probably i cant get the hero item again?

without doing anything

[strong forum]

You always have sw for every pull

It's a 40sec CD

You get it fucking twice per pull

[fiery gale]

or it was for KSM

[wicked pollen]

no

you have to redo it

[fiery gale]

ah ok 😄